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Speaker 1: it with Amber Smith and Emma Joe Morris. Welcome Amber

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Speaker 1: Smith to the show. Coalition for Military Excellence Senior advisor,

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Speaker 1: deputy assistant or former deputy assistant in the Department of

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Speaker 1: Defense or is a Department of War. We'll let her

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Speaker 1: decide a combat veteran in Iraq, Ian Afghanistan a pilot.

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Speaker 1: She get a really cool background and Amber, thanks for

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Speaker 1: doing this. I really we want to talk about the

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Speaker 1: Aron War more than anything else, but your story is

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Speaker 1: so interesting. And you were in the Trump forty five administrations,

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Speaker 1: so that was one of the secretary of Defense. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of the rebrand secretary where whereas Department

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Speaker 3: Well it once was the Department of War back in

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Speaker 3: I think in terms of messaging, they're saying, look, we

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Speaker 3: But when it's necessary, we will go to war and

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Speaker 4: So I think that sort of shift was just.

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Speaker 3: Purely symbolic in terms of if we need to go

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was very intentional. The program is something that

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Speaker 1: That's a lot of generations. So what are we talking about,

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm talking back to So my great grandfather was

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Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately I never got to meet him, but I

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Speaker 1: Those are the exact type of people. Whenever I'm complaining about,

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Speaker 3: So really, through my upbringing, my dad was an airline pilot.

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Speaker 1: Your parents ever get nervous you're flying helicopters because I

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Speaker 1: but it just feels very scary to me. The helicopter.

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Speaker 4: Yes, my parents would agree with you.

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Speaker 3: They would say helicopter pilots are crazy because you're flying

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Speaker 3: And so yes, they were very the fixed wing side

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Speaker 1: Amazing, and we could do the three hours on that topic.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was a great like, it was a great show

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Speaker 3: seeing a severely wounded Iran. They still are able to

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Speaker 3: pop things off, and you know, they obviously are shifting

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Speaker 3: from some more conventional style military operations and tactics to

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Speaker 3: pushing to their favorite thing, which is terrorist activity, and

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Speaker 3: so it'll be a different phase. But it doesn't mean that,

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Speaker 3: you know, we need to put boots on the ground

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Speaker 3: to accomplish the mission today, what does that look like, Well, road,

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Speaker 3: we have to reassess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you shut that up. Really well, it's very similar

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Speaker 1: in the way I put it, of course, as you

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Speaker 1: come from authority in this regard, but it's it's you

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Speaker 1: don't tell people what you're going to do and not

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Speaker 1: do it just seems like an observable inevitability. But that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that people get that. One of the other

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Speaker 1: things that is not getting discussed that is just kind

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Speaker 1: of blowing my mind is that Trump sent around a

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Speaker 1: letter a year ago where he said he gave three demands.

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Speaker 1: He said, no more developing nukes, no funding of terrorists

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Speaker 1: proxies in the region, no developing ballistic missiles. And they

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Speaker 1: literally did all those things. And so do we want

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Speaker 1: to have a commander in chief? And this is regardless

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Speaker 1: of political parties whose word means nothing to people. Is

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Speaker 1: that because that is sort of the implication that people

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Speaker 1: who are just across the board hating what's going on,

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Speaker 1: isn't that what they're saying is that, no, we don't

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Speaker 1: think we think it's fine just to be a paper

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Speaker 1: tiger exactly.

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Speaker 5: And I think that our adversaries especially in this Trump

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Speaker 5: forty seven administration, has had a hard time sort of

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Speaker 5: taking him at his word. They've definitely been having to

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Speaker 5: find out the hard way, which is President Trump says

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Speaker 5: his himself, you see his cabinets secretary saying the same thing.

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Speaker 5: He wants to solve things diplomatically, and for the most

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Speaker 5: part he verbally, you know, has an open door in

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Speaker 5: terms of let's solve this diplomatically. So far, the adversaries

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Speaker 5: that have had to learn the hard way have chosen

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Speaker 5: not to believe him or have chosen to try to

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Speaker 5: call his bluff, and it has not worked well for him.

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Speaker 5: Look at Iran last summer, look at Maduro in Venezuela,

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Speaker 5: and now look at the current Irene campaign, our Iran campaign,

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Speaker 5: and so it's we do this time have a leader

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Speaker 5: who means what he says, and I think looking forward,

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Speaker 5: our adversaries would be wise to trust what he says

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Speaker 5: and say, maybe we should come to the table and

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Speaker 5: work through things diplomatically instead of instead of seeing what

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Speaker 5: the US military looks like.

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Speaker 1: I got to get you a pint in the latest

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Speaker 1: scandal that the Department of War is spending money on

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Speaker 1: laughter tails and King Crab and steaks and salmon and

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Speaker 1: ice cream. And this was the first time I was

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Speaker 1: actually happy to see what our government's spending money on.

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Speaker 1: And yet I looked down at my feet on X

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Speaker 1: the everything app and I heard this was the worst

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Speaker 1: thing ever. It's like, no, let's you spend it more

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Speaker 1: on healthcare for legal aliens and DEI programs and schools

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Speaker 1: that don't work. No, let's spend it all there instead

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Speaker 1: of actually supporting our war fighters. I thought this just

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Speaker 1: sort of a known goal by the media that tried

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Speaker 1: to play this off. But you've got to have a

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Speaker 1: take on this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that, and I was like, tell me,

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Speaker 3: you know nothing about the military. You know nothing about leadership,

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Speaker 3: you know nothing about morale by some of the stuff

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Speaker 3: that I saw on Twitter, and it's like, like, our

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Speaker 3: military members do a lot. They are away from their

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Speaker 3: families for a large period of times. They're putting their

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Speaker 3: lives on the line. We have very high stress jobs.

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Speaker 3: And I think that I remember when I was appoyed.

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Speaker 3: It's called Friday surf and turf, Like it's something that

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Speaker 3: military members look forward to, you know, sometimes you get

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Speaker 3: it once a month, sometimes you get it once a week,

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Speaker 3: depending upon what base you're at, And it's just it

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Speaker 3: is such a morale booster, and that is what I

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Speaker 3: want my tax dollars being spent on, supporting our troops

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Speaker 3: their morale and ensuring that they know US Americans here

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Speaker 3: at home want them to have something nice that they

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Speaker 3: can look forward to while they are protecting us.

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Speaker 7: It's just one of these things controversy, exactly. And it's

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Speaker 7: just these people I just think about, you know, I

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Speaker 7: like laughter tail, I like King Crab, I like Rabbi's

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Speaker 7: It's the how come I can eat that way because

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Speaker 7: I talk to a microphone and I'm good at blogging,

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Speaker 7: But people who are fighting our wars and keeping the

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Speaker 7: world safe can't because the media is not happy about

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Speaker 7: it or something.

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Speaker 1: It's like, what are we doing here? It just it

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Speaker 1: just seemed like a good hands to just point out, No,

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Speaker 1: that's that sounds great. I just want to incentivize people

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Speaker 1: who are our best and brightest to help our country

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Speaker 1: and help the world. And I feel like steaks and

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Speaker 1: rabbis and loft Kiel might help a little bit. And

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Speaker 1: that seems like a positive thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, even more of Like I'm sure those people

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Speaker 3: want to say thank you for their service.

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Speaker 1: Thank you exactly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, how about you support them and let them have

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Speaker 3: some lobster tail and a steak.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we could do. We probably could have

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Speaker 1: spun up some sort of a counter initiative where we're

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Speaker 1: sponsoring more steaks and lobster tails for our troops, because

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Speaker 1: I think that's a good thing. I think you get

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Speaker 1: people on board with that. It's like a viral charity campaign.

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Speaker 4: It would be the new recruiting slogan. Yeah they should do.

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Speaker 1: It, really could it really could come for the adventure,

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Speaker 1: stay for the steaks and lobster So tell me about

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Speaker 1: what you think. I got two more for you. You've

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Speaker 1: already been generous with your time, Amber, But what is

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Speaker 1: your hope for how this thing concludes? Because it's high

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Speaker 1: stakes here are you sacrificed. A lot service members have died,

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Speaker 1: others have been injured. We're very pod committed here in

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Speaker 1: terms of getting a desirable outcome. What do you think

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Speaker 1: that that could look like?

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I think the American people are not interested

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Speaker 3: in forever wars, and I think they're very grateful that

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Speaker 3: they have a commander in chief who understands that, you know,

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Speaker 3: military operations are going to be necessary around the world

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Speaker 3: to ensure the safety and security of our nation and

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Speaker 3: the American people. And so when it is America first

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Speaker 3: and these types of operations have to happen, Thankfully we

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Speaker 3: have the president. President Trump and his team have said

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Speaker 3: they have a plan to go in accomplish the mission,

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Speaker 3: and then it's over. This is not any sort of

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Speaker 3: prolonged Middle East you know, looking back twenty years that

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Speaker 3: we have experienced before Iran posed a serious threat to

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Speaker 3: the United States of America and President Trump was never

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Speaker 3: going to allow them to get a nuclear weapon. And

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Speaker 3: so I think that you know, most I saw a

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Speaker 3: recent poll that showed that, you know, well over eighty

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Speaker 3: percent of MAGA voters believe that the operations go the

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Speaker 3: military operations going on, and I ran, right, now, make

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Speaker 3: America safer and are America first?

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Speaker 4: And so I think what.

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Speaker 3: Those three objectives that I spoke about earlier, that the

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Speaker 3: Secretary of War talked about, that's that's what needs to

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Speaker 3: be accomplished.

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Speaker 4: And once that is accomplished, then it will be done.

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Speaker 1: Telling you about what you're doing now, you're advocating behalf

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Speaker 1: a veteran's coalition for military Excellence your senior advisor. There

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Speaker 1: you get to Military Excellence dot org. What's the coalition

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Speaker 1: do and what do people don't need to know about it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Military excellent dot org.

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Speaker 3: You can go learn more about the organization, and it's

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Speaker 3: really advocating for a strong, secure military that will ensure

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Speaker 3: the safety of our nation and ensuring that our war

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Speaker 3: fighters have you know, the most the best technology, the

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Speaker 3: best leadership and.

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Speaker 4: Readiness.

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Speaker 3: All of that is absolutely necessary for military success and

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Speaker 3: then the safety of our nation. So I encourage everyone

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Speaker 3: to go take a look at the website and see

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Speaker 3: how they can get involved.

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Speaker 4: Military Excellence dot org.

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Speaker 1: Very cool. You got a couple of books out. Unfit

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Speaker 1: to Fight is your latest How woke policies are destroying

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Speaker 1: our military. Next time you're back, we'll talk about that

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Speaker 1: because I definitely want an update on how you think

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Speaker 1: the unwoking or the unwokeification of our military is going.

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Speaker 1: But I don't keep any longer. Amber Smith and wonderful stuff.

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Speaker 1: Really nice to meet you, and thank you for all

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Speaker 1: the personal stories as well as the analysis. Let's do

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Speaker 1: this again to and thanks again for the time on

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Speaker 1: the Marlow Show today.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, You guys know what I think of the

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Speaker 1: I just turned the recorder on. I didn't even tell

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Speaker 1: them I was doing it. So that's a that's what

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Speaker 1: all the cool kids are doing. But so what the

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Speaker 1: cool kids do. They start the recorder, but they don't

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Speaker 1: announce that they're cool for doing so. So I got

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Speaker 1: I got to work on that a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: you know, just like Joe Rogan, you just start doing

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, smoking a cigarette and talking about whatever,

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Speaker 6: and then it's like, wait, is this song?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just like he's still he still chowered down a

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Speaker 1: protein bar or a jerky stick. Emma. We're starting today.

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Speaker 1: We're not doing politics because I wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: this phenomenon of people now basically saying they hate parenting.

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Speaker 1: We are at a absolute crisis in this country where

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Speaker 1: we're being replaced and subverted by other parts of the world.

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Speaker 1: We're seeing almost the entire West get swallowed up by

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Speaker 1: countries that are sending their not their best to infiltrate America.

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Speaker 1: And we're very casual about this. It's very tough to

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Speaker 1: talk about sometimes. But now we've got a bunch of

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Speaker 1: people out there who are just talking about, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: bad parent don't like being a parent. What is this phenomenon?

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Speaker 1: Does it have a name? And what do mean to

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Speaker 1: know about it? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I mean maybe it should be I did have I

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Speaker 6: had a little politics, although honestly not even it was

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Speaker 6: like mom Donnie's Ramadan celebration.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well we'll get there, mansion, Maybe we'll get there.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, it's a recurring discourse that I've been finding

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Speaker 6: and unfortunately for me, and I get so upset by it.

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Speaker 6: I get so triggered by it in a way that's

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Speaker 6: actually uncharacteristic for me. Like typically my impulse is to

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Speaker 6: be catty about things that I find stupid, but this

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Speaker 6: actually kind of makes me a bit emotional in a

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Speaker 6: way that I'm not used to and and I hate it.

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Speaker 6: I get very triggered by it. And I've seen it

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Speaker 6: over since like January. I've seen it come up multiple times.

659
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 6: I've seen it on Twitter, and then because it's gotten

660
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 6: so hot on Twitter, a few people have actually published

661
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 6: about it. Officially, the most recent piece about it, that

662
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 6: I guess is the reason why we're talking about it

663
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 6: on today's show is New York magazine.

664
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,399
Speaker 4: The Cut did like.

665
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 6: A vignette of three women who they allowed to remain

666
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 6: anonymous to talk about basically how much they regret becoming mothers.

667
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 6: And I guess this wouldn't be worthwhile to mention, you know,

668
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 6: like shit lib rag writes about how much motherhood sucks.

669
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 6: That's not very interesting, except that I've noticed it as

670
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 6: part of a pattern, and not only on the left.

671
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 6: I mean, the last piece that I saw about this

672
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 6: was published by Sorabamari and Unheard, which is he is,

673
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 6: you know, a very well known conservative editor. He was

674
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 6: formerly editor of the New York postan section, and he's

675
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 6: a you know, very conservative, religiously conservative guy, which I

676
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 6: found interesting for him to make that decision editorially. But

677
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 6: you know, his stance was, this is a sentiment that's occurring,

678
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 6: so why not let somebody talk about it, which is

679
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 6: cool and fair, and I totally agree with that. And so,

680
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 6: you know, it's kind of moved into both the left

681
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 6: and the right of mags and discourse, and it's it's interesting,

682
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 6: especially I think as we come out of the haze

683
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 6: of the third wave feminist lie that you know, women

684
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 6: don't need motherhood, or that motherhood could wait. I think

685
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 6: we're kind of coming out of that culturally and now

686
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 6: we're talking about Okay, well, how do we feel about

687
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 6: motherhood then if that's what we're doing.

688
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 4: So that's why I thought it would be interesting to

689
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: bring up from my power.

690
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting to bring up because I feel

691
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: like this is inevitable that people who are just we

692
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:56,720
Speaker 1: have so much time on our hands because we've cured boredom,

693
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: which was a mistake. We did that with our phones,

694
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: so that now you'll never have to be bored, which

695
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: is all My best ideas always came from being alone

696
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 1: with my own thoughts. That's where I have what one

697
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: hundred percent of my good ideas are in those scenarios,

698
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: and we never have that now, So we're doing that

699
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: to ourselves. And then we've had all this coaching that

700
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: women's women's purpose is not motherhood and a man's purpose

701
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: is not fatherhood. Less so the latter, but it's the

702
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: both of those are pervasive in society. So just follows that.

703
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: The next thing will be just people who are actually

704
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: parent saying yeah, I'm not really into it and I

705
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: don't really want to hang out with my kids, and

706
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: just people who are not creative or optimistic with what

707
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: to do in their scenario. They just view their children

708
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: as inconvenient, even when they've already had them. I find

709
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 1: to be unbelievable because for me, I'm a big evangelist

710
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: to have children, as you know. And one of the

711
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: things I always say to people who don't want to

712
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: have children yet or think they might not be up

713
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: for it, I always say to them, you haven't met

714
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: your child, because the second you meet your child, that

715
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 1: the love you'll have them is so overwhelming that you'll

716
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: be so interested in them as people. And that continues

717
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: to be literally my favorite thing in my life. And

718
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: people say literally when they mean figuratively, I'm saying literally

719
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: because of literally is the unique personalities my children have.

720
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: Is they're all different, and I love you and you

721
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: know each and every one of them. And that's the

722
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: most fulfilling thing that I do every day, is get

723
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: to know those children. And that somebody was like, yeah,

724
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 1: not for me. Sale I'd rather sit in a porch

725
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: and drink coffee by myself and then go to a

726
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, industrial park and go to a brewery or something,

727
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: and it's just like, that's not the point of life

728
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: for me.

729
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, totally.

730
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Speaker 6: And I knew that this would be a good topic, Pek,

731
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 6: because I know that obviously you're like the biggest I

732
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 6: think parenting maximalist that I know. You know, you're the

733
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 6: most enthusiastic father, I'm the most enthusiastic. Yeah, but it's

734
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 6: so normal and it's so sweet, and it's such a

735
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 6: great quality, and I actually feel the same way. But

736
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 6: I think maybe part of the reason why I'm so

737
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 6: triggered by this content is because I relate to it

738
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 6: on level until you get to the conclusion of what

739
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 6: the feelings are about it. So for example, this piece

740
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 6: is the most current one. It was published by The Cut.

741
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 6: I recommend everybody go read it, just because it's like

742
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 6: kind of interesting if it's just like a voyeur of

743
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 6: these people, and.

744
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: It's lit recalled I Regret having children, So it's pretty

745
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: easy to find.

746
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 4: Just yeah, and it's going around.

747
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 6: If you have a connection to the internet at all,

748
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 6: you'll probably come across it.

749
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 4: It's a very inflammatory.

750
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 6: Headline, I guess, but you know, if you read the

751
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 6: women talking about it, like why they regret having children,

752
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 6: I can actually sort of relate to bits and pieces

753
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 6: of it. Not any one experience really, but you know,

754
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 6: I mean my personal my personal encounter with parenthood was

755
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 6: sort of like, first of all, as we discussed I

756
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 6: think on last episode, I mean, I guess have been outed.

757
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 6: I have a wife, and so she carried my first

758
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 6: child and we are now on my second child that

759
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 6: I am carrying. And you know, I was very apprehensive

760
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 6: about parenthood selfishly for sure, because I'm a garden variety

761
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 6: narcissist obviously, like a millennial yuppie. And I was very

762
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 6: worried about my life and my work and like my

763
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 6: writing and like my hours. You know, like as you know,

764
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 6: when you hired me, I would be sitting in cafes

765
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 6: till two in the morning, like talking to like other

766
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 6: writers about like what's cool, and then going and like

767
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 6: thinking about it for another month and then writing about

768
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 6: it on Breitbart.

769
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:33,280
Speaker 4: And that was my life.

770
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 6: And it was like sipping sovignon Blanne, smoking cigarettes and

771
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,720
Speaker 6: being in like this like writer scene.

772
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Speaker 4: And I didn't know how a kid would fit into that. Yeah,

773
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 4: And my wife has a very traditional sensibility.

774
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 6: She's actually a lot ironically much more conservative than me,

775
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,960
Speaker 6: although she'll tell you she's totally not political.

776
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 4: But she's very hardcore.

777
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 6: And and she was like, we're not getting younger and like,

778
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 6: I don't really know what we're doing day to day,

779
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 6: and I think it's appropriate to have children. And I

780
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 6: was kind of like, Okay, I guess I'll go with this.

781
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 6: I'm very apprehensive about losing my quote unquote identity.

782
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 4: And then the kid.

783
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 6: Shows up and the first moment I saw her, so

784
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 6: so to you know, I'll share this story with the

785
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 6: audience because it was a story that was a pivotal

786
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 6: moment in my life. My we ended up having to

787
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 6: do an emergency sea section for my daughter.

788
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: And so I don't know, if anybody listen.

789
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: You couldn't have a water birth, You couldn't pull that off.

790
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, she wanted to do.

791
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 6: A secion that was I was just a hard no

792
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 6: on like the getting some chick to come over and

793
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 6: deliver the baby in the bathtub, but no. So we

794
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 6: were at the hospital emergency sea section. So good thing

795
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 6: we were there. Uh And and so so I don't

796
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 6: know if you your wife has ever had one, or

797
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 6: if you know anything about it, but the mother is

798
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 6: she can't get up to take the baby.

799
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 4: Obviously she's being operated on.

800
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 6: So they take the baby out and they have to

801
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 6: operate on her and to finish the operation, and so

802
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 6: the baby is just basically brought to the scale and

803
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 6: then the other parent is there and Okay, I'm going

804
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 6: to the baby, like right away. Obviously she'll be fine.

805
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,720
Speaker 6: She's thirty one, this baby is one second old. Somebody

806
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 6: should hang with her. And so I go over to

807
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 6: her and she's crying, and I just said to her, Hi, Noah,

808
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 6: and she looked at me and recognized my voice and

809
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 6: stopped crying. And it was one of the most incredible

810
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 6: moments of my life where I instantly fell in love

811
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 6: with her in a way that I can't even explain.

812
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 4: And in that moment, my old self died.

813
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 6: And I was so cool with that because I looked

814
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 6: at this kid and I realized that she mattered so

815
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 6: much more than any conversation I was having after three drinks.

816
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 6: And the difference I think between these women in the

817
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 6: story and my experience, and I've had this experience now

818
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 6: over and over again in various iterations, in various ways.

819
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 4: And now again now that I'm pregnant.

820
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 6: It's very you know, I'm having the experience again in

821
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 6: a different way, but it's like, let your old self

822
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 6: die and the fact that you can't is so regressive

823
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 6: and immature, you know, like they're talking about you know,

824
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 6: there's like this impression you want to say that these

825
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 6: women are narcissists, but it's actually not even that. It's

826
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 6: I think nihilists where it's like you don't see any point.

827
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 6: You don't see any point, and you don't see any

828
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 6: growth for yourself and any opportunity for yourself in rising

829
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 6: to this relationship.

830
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 4: With this child.

831
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's really interesting about it.

832
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 4: So it's like this is actually.

833
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: This is what's interesting to me is that people's rationales

834
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: for why they don't like it that are in this

835
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: article are just are just not that strong to me,

836
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: because people just hold on the things and they can't

837
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: let certain things go and they can't make adjustments, which

838
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: I always thought that one of the things that is

839
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: best about human beings is that we're adaptable and that

840
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: we are flexible and that you can learn ahead to

841
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: do things. One of the first anecdotes in this piece

842
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: from the cut is about how what the mother who

843
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: ends up not liking children really wanted to do was

844
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: to paint, to read, and to do chores alone. Yeah,

845
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: and then it's like okay, well, painting. You can paint,

846
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: just paint a little less paint when the kid goes

847
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: to bed. Reading you can read after the kids go

848
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: to sleep. And also you can do audio books like

849
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: I adapted to a big I'm a big reader, so

850
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: I do a lot of audio books now. And doing

851
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: chores alone is a come on. It's like like you

852
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 1: don't really need that. It's like you can do chores

853
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: with a kid playing with you. You can tell the

854
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: kid you do. Make it an activity. That's not a

855
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: reason togative kids. Because you have to do chores alone.

856
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: That is someone who is extreme narcissistic tendency if I

857
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: can't have a kid because I need to do chores alone,

858
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: And I just wonder if people hear themselves talking this way.

859
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 1: And then another one, which is a real consideration, is

860
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: well you know, O, yeah, I might need seventy five

861
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: thousand extra dollars to do that.

862
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 4: Well.

863
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: I always try to let and I don't want to

864
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: get all self healthy on everyone, but I always try

865
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: to allow for my new pressures in life to motivate me,

866
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: and they do it has It's always worked for me.

867
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: And I don't purport to be a normal person. And

868
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: I would never accuse myself of being that. But it's

869
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: just whenever I have a big major expense, like let's

870
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: say a new child, then I always just think, well,

871
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,399
Speaker 1: how do I take my skill set in my time

872
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 1: and try to squeeze an extra seventy five ran out

873
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: out of it? And I usually figured it out, like

874
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: not every year, like some years someone it takes me

875
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: two years to figure it out. Like it's not does

876
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: happen the second I put my mind to it, But

877
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: usually it does work out. Usually I come up with

878
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: a way to do it, and I feel like that's

879
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 1: that's healthy. That's that's the human experience. The human experience

880
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: is not late night cocktails and vacation. That's not it.

881
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 1: That's not the whole thing. And you can have those

882
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: two a few times a.

883
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 4: Year, yes, for sure, and even more than that too.

884
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 6: You know. It's like there's something to be said too,

885
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 6: you know. And I'm having this negotiation all the time.

886
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 6: I'm in our in our case, it's you know, maybe

887
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 6: thank god we're both resistant, and then we're both pushing

888
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 6: each other.

889
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 4: No, no, take time for yourself, please, I insist. Let

890
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 4: me take off work for the.

891
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 6: Day and hang out with the baby and you do

892
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 6: you you know, and we have this like fight and

893
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 6: I'll be like, no, I insist we're getting a nanny.

894
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 4: I insist once a.

895
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 6: Week, and you know it's a you know, so that's that.

896
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 6: But you know again, yeah, like I'm listening to this identity,

897
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 6: my identity, what's my identity? Painting the painting and yeah,

898
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 6: chores by myself or whatever, and that's your identity. It's like, again,

899
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 6: what a shallow view of identity. It's like, well, okay,

900
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 6: you sound like extremely lame because I would imagine that

901
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:47,799
Speaker 6: like becoming a person and like individuation like again like

902
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 6: that requires like allowing for growth, and what these women

903
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 6: are yearning for is again to like regress back to

904
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 6: their pre motherhood self, which is like just I don't know, so,

905
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 6: so you're trying to infantilize yourself. You're trying to be

906
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 6: like extend your adolescence, which I guess you can't blame

907
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 6: them because that's apparently now what we do is we

908
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 6: say in adolescence into our thirties and older, and it's

909
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 6: just really goodly, like there's no perception of how ugly

910
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 6: it is and also how ridiculous those claims are in

911
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 6: the same way. It's like we have the same thing

912
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 6: where we were like, oh wait, like day care like

913
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 6: doesn't even make sense actually, so we're just going to

914
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 6: have to figure out how to match two salaries into

915
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 6: one job.

916
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

917
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 6: In adolescence, it's a pleasure of dude figuring that out

918
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 6: and do you do Yeah.

919
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where that whole expression

920
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: adolescence like this is just all if you do one

921
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: of those graphs, like when it's being used, I'm sure

922
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: it'll just be you know, in the last twenty years,

923
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: it's a new word, it's a new concept. We used

924
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: to expect it to grow up faster because that was

925
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 1: better for society, and now we're just causing all these

926
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: problems by delaying our abilities to And it's all industrial complex.

927
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: It's mostly the higher education industrial complex that encourages us

928
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: to be infantilized and to spend our twenties, you know,

929
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: finding ourselves instead of doing productive work and building families.

930
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: That was kind of what really went wrong. But it's

931
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: having an effect on a cultural level where we're just

932
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 1: giving people, were granting them permission to waste a bunch

933
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: of their time and the priorities in our twenties have

934
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: been set to finding yourself, getting a piece of paper

935
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,399
Speaker 1: from a liberal arts college, and you know, traveling all

936
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,319
Speaker 1: sorts of places, or just killing time with friends and

937
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: making friends, and those are not the priorities. Priority number

938
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: one should be family formation, finding a spouse that you

939
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: can have a meaningful life with, and then career developing

940
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: your career. For me, in my twenties, I worked twenty

941
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: four to seven because I could, and that got me

942
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: where I needed to go. And so then when I

943
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: got to my thirties and it was I had basically

944
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: got the jobs I wanted. Then you can start delegating

945
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: certain responsibilities that are not as important, and you can

946
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: start being more efficient with your time, and then you

947
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: can use some of that time for family, and some

948
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: of the time you can use to, I don't know,

949
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: squeeze out an extra eight hundred dollars a month so

950
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: you can have someone help you clean your house or

951
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: help you watch your kids, and then all of a sudden,

952
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: your lifestyle gets better. None of this. I just gain

953
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: more wisdom in the last forty five seconds than I

954
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: got my entire life. Aside from you know, luckily, I

955
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 1: good parents, But no one else's society is explaining this

956
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: stuff to you, and we're supposed to luck into this stuff.

957
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: And there's too many people waking up in their thirties

958
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: or even forties and being like, huh, I think I

959
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: probably made some bad choices for the last twenty years.

960
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, well that you know exactly what you're saying is

961
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 6: exactly right, And then it makes you go back to

962
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 6: that article in your mind and think to yourself, Hey, like,

963
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 6: what kind of people were these people before the kids?

964
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 6: Because in my mind and I operate the same way.

965
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 6: I mean, this is totally just turning into a mutual

966
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 6: back padding session, but it's just true. You know, the

967
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 6: life is something speaks for itself and it speaks to

968
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 6: like certain values, and it's like again, like person, so

969
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 6: I see my spouse, this is my partner. I see

970
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 6: myself as there for her and she and she's there

971
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 6: for me one hundred percent. And it's like if I'm

972
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 6: I'm feeling like I'm getting like, you know, something's building

973
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 6: up where I just need to let off some steam

974
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 6: and go and go go for a walk. You know,

975
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 6: you got to be able to say, hey, do you mind,

976
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 6: do you mind if I lean on you for an

977
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 6: hour or two because I need some space or whatever.

978
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 6: None of that makes you a bad parent. Letting it

979
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 6: get pent up and be refusing to be flexible is

980
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 6: what makes you a bad parent, because then you can't regulate, which,

981
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 6: by the way, that again that first this is like

982
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 6: something that was also so striking to me about and

983
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 6: how infantile the first writer was where she says I

984
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 6: basically she talks about how she is it's impossible for

985
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 6: her to regulate in her emotions anymore, right, that it

986
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 6: causes her child to become completely unregulated, which is like

987
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 6: you think or but she doesn't make that connection. It's

988
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 6: just obvious to the reader if they know what they're

989
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 6: looking at. And yeah, and it's just you know, I

990
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 6: don't know. So you just look at that and you

991
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 6: think you're refusing to be pragmatic and you're refusing to

992
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 6: make a hierarchy of values to make your life work

993
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 6: because you're you're stuck in some fantasy of like what

994
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 6: fun is. And it's like no, like you're just you're

995
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 6: just refusing to adapt to the life that you have

996
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 6: and to your children's needs, which is really sad. But

997
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 6: you know, the thing too, is like I think that

998
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 6: just on this infantile on this like extended extended adolescens

999
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 6: and infantile behavior and adults, I wonder if this whole

1000
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 6: thing is almost like a cope, you know, like you

1001
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 6: have so many women who are in there, at least

1002
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 6: I see them, mostly women, sometimes men but more rarely,

1003
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 6: who are in their like forties, who the ship is

1004
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 6: self for, and they don't have kids. And the reason

1005
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 6: is because the propaganda worked, you know, that was going

1006
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 6: on in the last ten years or fifteen years of

1007
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 6: how women should you know, should be girl bosses and

1008
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 6: not worry about kids, and then they find themselves existentially

1009
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 6: lonely and bereft, And.

1010
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: I don't know, is this like a recoup for that?

1011
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 6: Is it like, you know, let's cobble together a couple

1012
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 6: of testimonies.

1013
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 4: About how this wasn't really that great. I don't really.

1014
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 4: I have that systemic kind of view of media where I'm.

1015
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 6: Like, everything is kind of an op So what's the

1016
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 6: person that you're saying this? And it makes me wonder, like,

1017
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 6: is this some sort of soothing mechanism for the women

1018
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 6: who missed the boat because they walk there?

1019
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: I don't think so I think this is more of

1020
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: an OP. And this is where I like to say

1021
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: when things are not an OP, because then when I

1022
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: come back and say, no, this one feels like an OP.

1023
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: Then if I would like to think I'm more credible,

1024
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: I want to read from the end of this article

1025
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 1: he where the writer says that she says genuinely, if

1026
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: there is a hell, I've been living in it since

1027
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 1: I gave birth, my son is a low talt.

1028
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 4: Wow, yeah, you created it.

1029
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 1: Sorry, go on, yeah, right right, exactly so and again

1030
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: this is you know, anonymous. But if this is a

1031
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 1: real person, then maybe this is all a big troll

1032
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: to get see if the magazine would publish it, which

1033
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: is supposed to be the prestige version of New York Magazine.

1034
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: By the way, so this is not a joke, as

1035
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 1: Joe Biden would say. Okay, so, if there's a hell,

1036
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: I've been living it since I gave birth, my son

1037
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: has low tolerance for frustration and doesn't communicate other than whining, screaming, crying,

1038
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 1: throwing things, and pulling my hair, which is again it

1039
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: kind of reads like satire. I mean, that's way over

1040
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: the top, and all kids do those things and they

1041
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: don't do them all the time. All right, I'm gonna

1042
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: go on. I've tried so hard to do the things

1043
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: early intervention advised us to do. I read the books,

1044
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: play the music, dance around, and nothing works. Every day

1045
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: things get worse and worse. I wake up and count

1046
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 1: down the hours until my husband comes home. At some

1047
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: point I thought, I can't keep living like this, and

1048
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 1: neither can my son. My husband and I are taking

1049
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: steps to separate. No wonder if the husband didn't want

1050
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:54,800
Speaker 1: to stay with this lovely young woman, and it's willing

1051
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:56,959
Speaker 1: to take on the role of singer parent, single parent.

1052
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: No kidding, I would too, which makes me feel incredibly guilty.

1053
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: But I can't live this life with him anymore. I'm

1054
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 1: not the parent my son needs. I don't feel anything

1055
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 1: for him. I don't want to wait it out for

1056
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: years and walk out when he has actual memories Right now.

1057
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: He's very young and you can fake things, but I

1058
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: can only fake it so much. This is just keek narcissism.

1059
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: If this is a real person, I've never seen anything

1060
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: like it. And here's where I think the op comes in, Emma,

1061
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: and I'll get your reaction to this, then we can

1062
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: talk about mom, Donnie. This to me feels like do

1063
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 1: not have kids. It is saying that we want America

1064
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,360
Speaker 1: to be overrun by the immigrant population and not have

1065
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: any American culture or American people or any cultural HERI

1066
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: it is we want to just destroy it. This would

1067
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,239
Speaker 1: be it. This would be the generational neutron bomb. If

1068
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: you're convincing mothers openly trying to convince mothers to not

1069
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: have children.

1070
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think that we again, like I

1071
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 6: think we lived through that up and it recently sort

1072
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 6: of like the frame cracked somehow there was a critical

1073
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 6: mass of women saying, wait a second, I'm miserable and lonely,

1074
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 6: and now it's too late. I think that that was

1075
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 6: also accelerated, probably by the trans madness in a way,

1076
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 6: like we just completely like they jumped the shark on

1077
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 6: desecrating and degrading femininity to an event where we're then

1078
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 6: kind of revolted and we're like, wait a second, like

1079
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 6: all of this is actually disgusting. The whole discourse that

1080
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 6: led to this as disgusting. We're currently in a disgusting

1081
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 6: place and I won't take it anymore. And that is

1082
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 6: where I think there was a turning point in this conversation.

1083
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 6: But as to this, yeah, I mean, yeah, you know,

1084
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 6: it's funny because I look at that and I can see,

1085
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 6: like I can see every mistake. I can see every

1086
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,479
Speaker 6: mistake and perspective, I can see every mistake in action,

1087
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 6: even the way she describes the way the child acts.

1088
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 6: It's like, I know, I could so see it, and

1089
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 6: I could so see what she didn't.

1090
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Speaker 4: Do to tend to it.

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00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 6: It's like just really sad because it's all to me

1092
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 6: so avoidable when I listened to it, especially like having

1093
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 6: a toddler.

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00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 1: But and what is this waiting for the husband to

1095
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: come home? So did take the kid out of just

1096
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,800
Speaker 1: go the park? Like, go go find something.

1097
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 6: To deal again, like you're looking at what I'm realizing

1098
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 6: and talking to you versus what it says on the page.

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00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 6: It's like we're talking about it as people who are

1100
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 6: into parenting and love our kids. Uh. And these are

1101
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 6: people who have refused again, like we said, like refuse

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00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 6: to grow into the role and are just stopping their feet,

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00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 6: which you know the image of Conduss of a toddler

1104
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 6: herself samming her feet and refusing to engage. And so

1105
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 6: you know, I think that this is post post op,

1106
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 6: as in post sighop to get people to nod up kids.

1107
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 6: And I can't see it as anything other than hey

1108
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 6: guys in Hey gen X, Hey older millennials, Sorry about

1109
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 6: all that.

1110
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Speaker 4: Don't worry you know.

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00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 6: A toddler isn't isn't the little the little miniature you

1112
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 6: who wants to sit next to you all day long

1113
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 6: and have you read to them, and have you color

1114
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 6: with them, and have you play with them. It's it's

1115
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 6: not the child that wants to crawl into your bed

1116
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 6: in the middle of the night and cuddle with you

1117
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 6: because they're nervous or they're not sleeping.

1118
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 4: Well, no, it's not that.

1119
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 6: It's tantrums and I want to leave my husband.

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 4: It'll just lead you to misery.

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00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 6: It's like it's there they are recouping and saving face

1122
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 6: for the way that they have sold or the way

1123
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:22,479
Speaker 6: that they've sold people on not entering parenthood. It's got

1124
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 6: to be it's got to be they already screwed up

1125
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 6: that don't have kids thing.

1126
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 4: It's now we're making up for it. No, it's not

1127
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 4: that great.

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Speaker 1: A couple of quick points, and then I want to

1129
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: talk about mom Donnie. The first of all, you adjust,

1130
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 1: you can grow, and you learn strength and weaknesses, and

1131
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 1: every kid needs something different. Is the you know, one

1132
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: of my children just wants to play my older two,

1133
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: one of them just wants to play sports all the time.

1134
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: And the best way to relate to them is play sports.

1135
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: Very easy for me to do. Other one likes when

1136
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 1: I take them on trips. So I got to bring

1137
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: them on work trips and he goes absolutely crazy for that.

1138
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: He couldn't feel more connected to me than when he

1139
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: will fall around doing work stuff and that makes him

1140
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: feel like a million bucks. It's completely different. What and

1141
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: you figure that out. That's part of fun, and then

1142
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: you feel freaking great when you do. We're like, oh

1143
00:59:10,080 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: we got something, we got we got through to someone

1144
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: that you That's exactly it.

1145
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:16,760
Speaker 6: And that's what I was, you know, I was saying,

1146
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 6: it's sort of sarcastically, It's like, no, it's not, you know,

1147
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 6: it's not the most moving experience of your life to

1148
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 6: simultaneously get to know and also God, a little child

1149
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 6: who's yours, you know, and and that is the deepest

1150
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 6: relationship I think probably you'll have in your life.

1151
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 4: No, it's not that, you know, but of course that

1152
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:39,640
Speaker 4: is what it is.

1153
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 6: They're they're just almost being intentionally obtooson ignoring that that

1154
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 6: is it's the most moving thing you'll do, and it's

1155
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 6: the most pleasurable and delightful and like joyful thing you'll do.

1156
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 4: It's like, I just I just had this. I walked

1157
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:53,960
Speaker 4: out of a coffee shop.

1158
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 6: I was going to get a coffee and my kid

1159
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 6: is in the stroller outside and I come out and

1160
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 6: and uh, she it just gives me the biggest smile,

1161
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 6: like it was if she was the first time seeing

1162
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 6: me all day. I had just seen her five minutes earlier,

1163
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 6: and I said to my web I was like, there's

1164
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 6: so much joy that I feel when I look at

1165
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 6: her and see that smile that it's like impossible to describe.

1166
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 6: I've never felt it before, no offense, but I've never

1167
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:17,760
Speaker 6: loved anyone like I love this kid. And you know

1168
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 6: you can't say that part because there's too many women

1169
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 6: who have been hoaxed into uh missing it.

1170
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: Isa. I had a long work day yesterday and when

1171
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: I walked in, it's always fun to see who comes

1172
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: up and greets me. And I got the great greet

1173
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: from a wife, which is not always a guarantee, but

1174
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: she likes me a lot. But it wasn't. But she

1175
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 1: gave me a great greet and the baby just the

1176
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: most unbelievable. My two year old just running up to me,

1177
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: arms flailing, hair, was all wet from her bath and

1178
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: just beyond beyond joy, beyond joy for me.

1179
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can't put in towards the experience of that

1180
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 6: greeting and out of body.

1181
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: It's they have it on her dab exerly, I.

1182
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 6: Said, I think if women knew exactly what they had

1183
01:00:56,240 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 6: missed because they followed the TV, they would.

1184
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: Revolt totally, right. And if you feel that way, just

1185
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: follow different people online, you're probably watching the wrong reels

1186
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 1: because there's more positive stuff. All right. You're my unofficial

1187
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: New Yorker, probably my official New York correspondent at this point.

1188
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: I think we make it official. I think we make

1189
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: it official. So weird stuff going on. So a nail

1190
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: bomb that tried to take out white anti Mam Donnie

1191
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: protesters was then blamed which was from isis connected guys

1192
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:32,720
Speaker 1: was blamed on the whites who were trying to I

1193
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: guess kill Mam Donnie multiple times on CNN. That took

1194
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: place and then we saw something very specific with Mam

1195
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: Donnie where he had a Ramadan prayer, which I think

1196
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: is really interesting because I think, I think I have

1197
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:48,880
Speaker 1: this cut, and let's make sure I play the right

1198
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 1: cut here.

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Speaker 8: The reason that I love it, Amadone so much is

1200
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 8: for everything else that it means, for the time of reflection,

1201
01:01:54,600 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 8: the time of focus, and really a time where you

1202
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 8: understand yourself as part of something larger than just as

1203
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 8: an individual. And even just having you all here today,

1204
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 8: even just sitting on the floor, the transformation of a

1205
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,720
Speaker 8: space that I've only ever known in one way. Frankly,

1206
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 8: it is a gift and it's a real joy to

1207
01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 8: have you all here.

1208
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: All right, I got one more.

1209
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 6: We'll make some of that.

1210
01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 8: All moment when you're asking yourself how to reconnect to.

1211
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 6: Growing up be.

1212
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: So but the idea every one probably at this point

1213
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 1: has seen the viral clip of the of Mom Dowdy

1214
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,760
Speaker 1: praying with his friends and eating off the floor. And

1215
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: it's one of these things where he's very clever because

1216
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 1: he does me subtle because in a vacuum, none of

1217
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: these things are actually objectionable. I think generally people of

1218
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 1: faith are. It's it's a welcome thing in this country,

1219
01:02:57,520 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: and New York did vote for this stuff, but we're

1220
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: all also witnessing a very slow motion subversion that did

1221
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: not go very well for all of Europe. And I

1222
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: would just playing a clip on the other show about

1223
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: from Mers, who's the Chancellor of the EU? I think

1224
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 1: it is now the or the German Chancellor Mers saying

1225
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 1: like the EU experiment has failed largely because of widespread

1226
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: immigration and importing other cultures that are incompatible with the West.

1227
01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:27,400
Speaker 1: And I just know that that is happening me and

1228
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: Donnie is a part of it. But in a vacuum,

1229
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,960
Speaker 1: it's very hard to object to that peaceful display of

1230
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 1: faith that people did vote for. Though it's tough spot

1231
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: for you guys in New York City, Emma your thoughts.

1232
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the people in New York City actually voted

1233
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 6: for a restoration and a rebirth of religion in public space.

1234
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 6: So we are delighted by the Ramadan ceremony at Gracie

1235
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 6: Mansion because we were having a religious revival in November.

1236
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,880
Speaker 6: But it's like, no, see, this is actually affirms what

1237
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:06,280
Speaker 6: I predicted on this show, which was the mom Donnie

1238
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 6: is comes to Islam as a as a journey through progressivism,

1239
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 6: not as a journey through the religion that worships Allah.

1240
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 6: You know that's I think what and it's a it's

1241
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 6: a virtual signal. It's a progressive virtue signal. How do

1242
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 6: I know that? Well, first of all, it was televised.

1243
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 6: Second of all guests, Yeah, like you know obviously as

1244
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 6: as religious people, you know that this is something that

1245
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,880
Speaker 6: is obviously sacred in between you and God. And if

1246
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:41,040
Speaker 6: you're trying to be religious, it's typically not not only televised,

1247
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 6: but televised including an event with influencers, including a trends influencer,

1248
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 6: which if you are an observer of Islam and frankly

1249
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:53,760
Speaker 6: of Judaism and I think of Christianity, that's called a sin.

1250
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,480
Speaker 6: So you typically wouldn't elevate that behavior in a religious ceremony.

1251
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 6: Not to say that you would shun them God forbid,

1252
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 6: or that you wouldn't talk to them or something, but

1253
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:07,080
Speaker 6: elevating them as part of your religious practice, I don't know.

1254
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 6: And even if you wanted to say that maybe, okay,

1255
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 6: well no, no, not trying to get publicity. Don't be

1256
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 6: so cynical. Emma, who was the other person that was

1257
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 6: there none other than Khalil, who is the protest the

1258
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 6: most famous protester on earth from Columbia, Syria, national from

1259
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 6: Columbia University, who came here to organize a pro Palestine

1260
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:35,080
Speaker 6: movement in New York City and then tried to the

1261
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 6: Tripic administration tried to deport him, and he somehow resisted

1262
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 6: up until now and become an eye of Trump's resist

1263
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 6: of resistance of Yeah.

1264
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: This is the guy Muhammad Khalil who was the pro

1265
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: pou stitty pro Hamas activist at Columbia who's here in

1266
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:49,439
Speaker 1: a green card and was supposed to get sent home.

1267
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 1: But a judge cutty and a lawfair judge, type of

1268
01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: judge I would write about in Breaking the Law, And

1269
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 1: I think I did write about this one. I think

1270
01:05:55,880 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: this is in the book and the yeah, and just again,

1271
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: he's just a activist who hates his country and is

1272
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 1: trying to fun stuff that we disagree with and became

1273
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,000
Speaker 1: the champion of the left.

1274
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 4: Well, so that's it.

1275
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 6: So excuse me for interpreting this not as genuine and

1276
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 6: sincere a practice of his faith, which I could have

1277
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 6: a conversation about also, which I actually think I have

1278
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 6: a different opinion than you on. But not as a

1279
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 6: genuine practice of his faith, as a political exercise where

1280
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 6: we all get to have this ritual humiliation of having

1281
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 6: to submit to this as normal.

1282
01:06:34,560 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: This is no right, No, no, I think what he's

1283
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: doing is very dark and cynical. I think that this

1284
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: is this is what we say, is not a god fear.

1285
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: He's not. He doesn't fear the Geo Christian God as

1286
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: I do. But this is what I talk about so

1287
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 1: often about how this is taking the Lord's name in vain.

1288
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: That's what it is. It's not saying g D, which

1289
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: I don't say in general, just because it's kind of

1290
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 1: like farting in public. It's like it's like you shouldn't

1291
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: do it like in general. But take the Lord damon

1292
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: Vain is saying I'm walking with the Lord, I'm bringing

1293
01:07:05,600 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 1: the Lord to you. This is the message of the Lord.

1294
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: But it's not. It's a political, self serving message. And

1295
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:13,480
Speaker 1: I do think that's what he's doing here is he's

1296
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,240
Speaker 1: acting like this is this is how Muslims actually act,

1297
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: but it's actually a political action that he's taking.

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Speaker 6: One percent exactly, that's it, exactly. He's wrapping himself in

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Speaker 6: a Quran. He's wrapping himself in a religion in Islam

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Speaker 6: and using it as a vehicle to impress upon us

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Speaker 6: all of his stupid political beliefs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not.

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Speaker 4: And that's it.

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Speaker 6: It's like people are like, oh, people, I hate him

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Speaker 6: for being Muslim or whatever Islamophobia. It's like, are you

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Speaker 6: joking if you asked a devout Muslim if this behavior

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Speaker 6: is appropriate, I can't imagine.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that the Khalil is better known for

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Speaker 1: his religiosity or because he's an anti ice kind of

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Speaker 1: anti American prohamas activist. We know the answer to this.

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Speaker 1: It's because that the guy doesn't like this country. That's

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Speaker 1: why we know his name, and that's that's why we're

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Speaker 1: If he liked America, we would never have heard of

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Speaker 1: Mohammed Khalil. An very important point.

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Speaker 6: Yes, servants of Islam UH, and he wanted to broadcast

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Speaker 6: it to UH spread Islam. You know, if we're if

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Speaker 6: we're like, let's say, going to the other extreme of

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Speaker 6: interpreting this, that it's totally sincere.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but I don't think it's appropriate.

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Speaker 6: You know, I know that a lot of people according

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Speaker 6: to the First Amendment, and I saw Rick Ronell kind

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Speaker 6: of talking about this on Twitter recently, like in the

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Speaker 6: last day or two. But no, this is a first

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Speaker 6: you know, we have a First Amendment and it's all fine,

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Speaker 6: and it's all religions.

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Speaker 4: Are the same. I actually don't feel that way. I

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Speaker 4: actually don't feel that way.

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Speaker 6: I don't think that Islam is a Western compatible religion.

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Speaker 6: I don't, not to say, think that there should be

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Speaker 6: no Muslims in America or something.

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Speaker 4: That's not what I think.

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Speaker 6: That's not what I think, but I don't I do

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Speaker 6: think that there's something a bit intense about about propagating

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Speaker 6: Islam as something that's totally the same as Christianity and

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Speaker 6: that should be.

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Speaker 4: Exhibited in government.

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Speaker 6: I actually do think that this is a Christian nation

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Speaker 6: first and foremost. I think that Judaism has compatibility in America,

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Speaker 6: which is why it's so it's practiced so prevalently no problems.

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Speaker 6: But I don't agree that there are no problems on

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Speaker 6: Islam's front. I don't think that the values are compatible,

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Speaker 6: and I think that that's pretty obvious if you look

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Speaker 6: at Europe, where they do have total freedom obviously, and

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Speaker 6: it's not going well culturally. And I am sensitive to

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Speaker 6: cultural ramifications of stuff. I'm sorry, but like, seriously, we're

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Speaker 6: talking about parenting in the last segment. I'm raising two

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Speaker 6: daughters in this city, and I don't really like the

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Speaker 6: attitude toward daughters in Islam.

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Speaker 4: And that is just a matter of fact.

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Speaker 6: So maybe that's kind of controversial to say, but not

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Speaker 6: to say that again. I don't think that you should

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Speaker 6: be allowed to practice any religion you want in America.

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Speaker 4: That's our constitution. That's fair.

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Speaker 6: But I don't like that in Gracie Mansion. I don't

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Speaker 6: think it's appropriate.

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Speaker 1: Maybe that's and and and that is perfectly valid. Take Emma, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I gotta run and do some, do some. Uh, I

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Speaker 1: gotta I gotta press the flash with some of the

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Speaker 1: clients here on the show, make the show possible. So

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Speaker 1: let me make sure to plug your stuff. If you

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Speaker 1: are in need of a of a consultant Beeckingstone dot com,

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Speaker 1: where Emma's a senior consultant. And if you want to

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Speaker 1: listen or watch Emma's other podcast which is on two

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Speaker 1: way the group chat, Well, where do people go for that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: On YouTube the group chat channel. I think we're starting

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Speaker 6: a new channel this week. That's and You can also

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Speaker 6: just find it on too with Mark Halprin and uh yeah,

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Speaker 6: and if you need if you need someone to figure

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Speaker 6: out how to thread the needle about Islam in New York,

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Speaker 6: call me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah no. But it's the it's it's it's intentionally off putting,

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Speaker 1: is the point. That's what they're doing, all right, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta run, but think he was always

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Speaker 1: and we'll see soon.

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Speaker 2: H