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Speaker 2: All right, welcome to our to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Colett, Blake neft to my left.

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Speaker 3: Affected switch sides on the table, and the reason being

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Speaker 3: is that in studio we have the great doctor James

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Speaker 3: or pleasure to have you, sir.

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Speaker 4: Great to be with you, Andrew, great to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's always a treat. You know, some of

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Speaker 3: And then you came back afterwards, and I know you've

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Speaker 4: So I believe I've any just just found this out,

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Speaker 3: It's not like you have your own reputation to worry

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Speaker 3: about here, doctor, or you of course are very.

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Speaker 2: Active with reform in the UK. How things gone over there?

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Speaker 4: Things are going extremely well. In fact, in many ways

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Speaker 4: Trying to say by shifting to anti Muslim hate as

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that what you would have to say

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Speaker 5: It's an ideological belief. And then you say you can't

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Speaker 2: What is it?

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, but what about you know, genital mutilation of

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Speaker 4: Yes, these topics, absolutely right. I mean what's interesting about

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Speaker 4: that is that ironically, this legislation could make people think

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Speaker 6: Thanks so much. Good to be with you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, one of the things we heard repeatedly in South

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Speaker 3: So twelve states had to look this up. There's twenty

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Speaker 3: eight states in India, so we're at nearly half of

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Speaker 3: the country of India. It is now legal And I

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Speaker 3: don't know population, you know, at what percentage of the

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Speaker 3: population that would make up, But that that is striking,

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Speaker 3: especially for a British former British run colony, if you will.

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Speaker 2: But so.

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Speaker 3: When did that start changing? I'm curious when did that

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Speaker 3: those laws start passing.

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Speaker 6: Well, they really took a lot of momentum.

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Speaker 8: When Prime Minister Modi, who has come out of this

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Speaker 8: Hindu nationalist movement called the RSS.

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Speaker 6: That is his background.

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Speaker 8: He's the Prime Minister of the whole country of India

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Speaker 8: and so he has brought that philosophy to.

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Speaker 6: The highest levels of the Indian government.

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Speaker 8: Now they have talked about a national anti conversion law.

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Speaker 8: So far that has not happened, but there are individual

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Speaker 8: states where they have passed these anti conversion laws.

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Speaker 6: And you know, when they talk about.

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Speaker 8: It, it sounds like a good idea, like, hey, we

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Speaker 8: don't want people to be bribed or forced to change

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Speaker 8: their religion. And I think all of us would say, yeah,

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Speaker 8: that's true, we don't want that. But then, like I say,

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Speaker 8: when you get to what the law actually says, and

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Speaker 8: some of the laws, there's one state that says, if

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Speaker 8: you want to change your religion, you need to go

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Speaker 8: before a magistrate and say that you're going to change

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Speaker 8: your religion. And if you want to talk to someone

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Speaker 8: else about changing their religion what us Christians would call evangelism,

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Speaker 8: you need to go before a magistrate six months before

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Speaker 8: you have that conversation, and you need to appear and say, hey,

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Speaker 8: in six months, I'm going to talk to my neighbor

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Speaker 8: about coming to church with me.

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Speaker 6: I just want to get your okay, mister magistrate. And

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Speaker 6: it's like you read that and you're like that that's ludicrous.

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Speaker 6: No one could do that, No one would do that. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 8: So when you have that conversation, then they can come

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Speaker 8: in and say, well, hey, six months ago you didn't

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Speaker 8: go to the magistrate.

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Speaker 6: That was illegal. You're going off to jail.

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Speaker 2: You've you know.

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Speaker 3: It kind of makes me think of this story that's

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Speaker 3: kind of percolating and we haven't talked about it yet,

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Speaker 3: but Rep. Mark Warren Walker from North Carolina, he's a

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Speaker 3: Trump's nominee for religious freedom and he's just been waiting

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Speaker 3: for a committee hearing, so we can't seem to get

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Speaker 3: that through. He's getting blocked apparently by a political form

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Speaker 3: of political foe. But these are the types of stories

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Speaker 3: we need to be educated on about why those types

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Speaker 3: of posts are so important within the Trump administration.

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Speaker 2: Let's kind of keep going around the map here.

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Speaker 3: So we talked about South Asia, there's issues in Central Asia,

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Speaker 3: and there's obviously Nigeria. Highlight the stories that you think

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Speaker 3: are our audience needs to hear most well.

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Speaker 8: I think of Nigeria obviously it's in the news. Just

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Speaker 8: on Sunday there was another raid on a church. Thirteen

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Speaker 8: Christians kidnapped out.

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Speaker 6: Of their church.

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Speaker 8: Right now, we don't know was this Boko Haram, was

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Speaker 8: this isis West Africa Province. Wasn't just a criminal gang

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Speaker 8: that wants ransom. They're trying to fundraise and so their

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Speaker 8: kid napping people for ransom.

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Speaker 6: Right now, we don't know that.

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Speaker 8: But this is happening again and again and again, and

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Speaker 8: I think at some point you start to ask the question, well,

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Speaker 8: is the Nigerian government incapable of stopping these kinds of

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Speaker 8: attacks or do they not have the will to stop

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Speaker 8: these kinds of attacks?

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Speaker 6: And those are valid questions.

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Speaker 8: Since President Trump named Nigeria as a Country of Particular

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Speaker 8: Concern earlier this year, it's going to be really interesting

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Speaker 8: to see how the State Department plays that out and

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Speaker 8: what tools are brought to bear to help Nigeria. Again, typically,

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Speaker 8: it's not the government of Nigeria that is persecuted Christians,

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Speaker 8: it is these terrorist groups, It is Islamis from among

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Speaker 8: the Fulani tribe, it is other sort of smaller players.

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Speaker 6: So it's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 8: To see how that CPC status plays out and how

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Speaker 8: the State Department sort of acts that out in our

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Speaker 8: relationship with Nigeria well.

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Speaker 3: And one of the more surprising things. I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you've heard this story, doctor or but Nikki Nase

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Speaker 3: of all people, has been helping raise awareness. You can

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Speaker 3: throw up two sixty two. She's been She have a

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Speaker 3: keynote remark on combating religious violence and the killing of

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Speaker 3: Christians in Nigeria. She's been working, willing to work with

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Speaker 3: the Trump administration to raise awareness on this. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is a I have to say. I've not traditionally

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Speaker 3: been a fan of the rapper known as Nicki Minaj,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, what good for her? How many Christians

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Speaker 3: have been silent, how many conservatives have been silent about

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Speaker 3: the persecution of the Christian Church in Nigeria, the slaughter

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Speaker 3: of Christians? And then Nicki Minaj comes here and she

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Speaker 3: helps make it a national news story, an international news story.

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Speaker 3: It already was one, but raising the profile of that story.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen movement even at Voice of the Martyrs

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Speaker 3: since she's gotten involved.

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Speaker 8: Oh, it is interesting to have other voices that you

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Speaker 8: weren't expecting. Bill Maher did the same thing. The issue

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Speaker 8: of Nigerian persecution. So you have Bill Maher and you

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Speaker 8: have Nicki Minaj and if you have President Trump all

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Speaker 8: talking about the persecution of Christians in Nigeria, I don't

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Speaker 8: think any of us would have predicted that at the

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Speaker 8: beginning of this year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's take our sites to Syria. There's kind of

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Speaker 3: conflicting reports, but I know that Christians are getting targeted

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Speaker 3: in Syria as well.

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Speaker 2: What can you tell us there?

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Speaker 8: Well, the Syrian government, the new Syrian government now almost

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Speaker 8: a year old, a year since the fall of Bashir

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Speaker 8: al Asad, they're in Syria. What they have said to

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Speaker 8: the rest of the world is we want religious freedom.

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Speaker 8: We want a Syria that is safe for every religion.

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Speaker 8: We know that there are Syrians who are Christians and

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Speaker 8: then there are Syrians who are Drews and there are

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Speaker 8: Syrians who are Muslim and.

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Speaker 6: We want to all live together in peace.

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Speaker 8: And the rest of the world here's that, and we're like, yes,

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Speaker 8: that's great, we want that too. What they're saying though,

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Speaker 8: inside Syria is very different, and we have had contact

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Speaker 8: Syrian pastors.

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Speaker 6: Who have are hearing from the government or hearing from

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Speaker 6: the soldiers.

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Speaker 8: You Christians just you wait, wait, till we get our

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Speaker 8: feet on the ground, Wait till we get our government established,

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Speaker 8: then we're going to take care of you. So what

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Speaker 8: they're telling the rest of the world the Syrian government

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Speaker 8: is not what they're telling Christians living inside Syria and

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Speaker 8: Christians there are understandably very concerned. If you're a father

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Speaker 8: or a mother and you have young children in Syria

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Speaker 8: and you're a Christian right now, you're asking yourself every

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Speaker 8: single day is it safe for our children? Is it

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Speaker 8: safe to raise our children here? Or should we try

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Speaker 8: to go somewhere else. That's a huge challenge and that's

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Speaker 8: just reality of following Christ right now in Syria.

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Speaker 3: Well that's a thank you for that update, And you

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Speaker 3: know it occurs to me and you guys. Kind of

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Speaker 3: flag this for us is that during the Christmas season,

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Speaker 3: persecution of Christians actually increases. So you know, for our

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Speaker 3: audience listening, what do they need to know about that,

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Speaker 3: Why is that a thing?

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Speaker 2: And what can they do to help?

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Speaker 8: Well, if you hate Christians, if you hate the Gospel,

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Speaker 8: what better time to make a statement like that than

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Speaker 8: on the day Christians are celebrating.

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Speaker 6: The birth of Christ.

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Speaker 8: So Christians have been targeted in recent years in Democratic

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Speaker 8: Republic of the Congo, in Bangladesh, in Nigeria, in Egypt.

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Speaker 8: And so we want Christians here in America. As you

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Speaker 8: gather around the table, as you are with your family,

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Speaker 8: as you're with your loved ones, we hope that you'll

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Speaker 8: remember to pray for Christians who live in hostil aarias

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Speaker 8: and restricted nations. They are at more risk around the

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Speaker 8: Christmas season, more risk around Christian Holy Days. And so

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Speaker 8: as we gather together in safety, let's pray for the

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Speaker 8: members of our spiritual family who don't have that safety

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Speaker 8: and just pray that God will protect them and during

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Speaker 8: this Christmas season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have a URL here as well that

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure we put up and vom

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Speaker 3: dot org slash Charlie vom dot org slash Charlie. So

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Speaker 3: if you want to be a voice for religious freedom,

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Speaker 3: if you want to stand with your brothers and sisters

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Speaker 3: in Christ around the globe that are facing persecution and

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Speaker 3: in some cases genocide, please please please this Christmas season

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Speaker 3: when they need you the most, consider being a part

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Speaker 3: of what Voice of the Martyrs is doing.

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Speaker 2: We love this organization, we love what they're doing. And Todd,

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Speaker 2: I just you know.

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Speaker 3: Really really appreciate you highlighting these areas of the world

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Speaker 3: where we need to be praying. We should be praying

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Speaker 3: for the persecuted church. We should be doing what we

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Speaker 3: can to contribute financially, especially right now.

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Speaker 2: And you know, final words to you, Todd, Well.

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Speaker 8: When you come to that website, we'd love to send

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Speaker 8: you a free book that has stories of persecuted Christians.

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Speaker 8: And this is a way to be inspired all year

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Speaker 8: long as you read the stories of people who would

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Speaker 8: rather go to prison, or rather be beaten, or rather

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Speaker 8: be killed then deny their faith in Christ. I think

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Speaker 8: there's great lessons and great inspiration for all of us

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Speaker 8: who are Christians in these stories.

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Speaker 3: That is vom dot org slash Charlie to get involved

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Speaker 3: to help out.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Todd, God bless you.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Good conversation is about showing respect.

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Speaker 3: It's how we create a space where people are able

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Speaker 3: to share their ideas and to be heard. Charlie knew

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Speaker 3: that TikTok has always strived to build that kind of

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Speaker 3: place that thrives unrespectful connection, where curiosity fuels connection and

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Speaker 3: we can share what's on our minds and learn from

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Speaker 3: each other. When ideas meet respect, good things happen.

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Speaker 2: On TikTok.

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Speaker 3: You can find a mechanic explaining the why behind a

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Speaker 3: problem most of us wouldn't even know how to name,

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Speaker 3: or a father sharing a lifetime of knowledge with his viewers.

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Speaker 3: Viewers who listen, discuss and respond. TikTok turns connection into

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Speaker 3: community through small acts of understanding. You can feel it

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Speaker 3: in the comments in the thank you from a stranger.

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Speaker 2: Halfway across the world.

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Speaker 3: World TikTok is a place where respect opens the door

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Speaker 3: for discussion, and discussion helps us build something.

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Speaker 2: Real.

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Speaker 1: Portions of our program are sponsored in part by TikTok.

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Speaker 2: What is the I mean?

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Speaker 3: So we're talking about persecution all over sort of the

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Speaker 3: developing world Asia, Central Asia, Africa, the Middle East certainly,

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Speaker 3: what's the state of Christendom in Europe in the UK?

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Speaker 4: Well, I guess it's post Christendom. And you could say,

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Speaker 4: maybe the story of Europe in the twentieth century, maybe

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Speaker 4: even the nineteenth centuries, how to put Humpty Dumpty back

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Speaker 4: together again after the fall of Christendom, look after the

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Speaker 4: fall of the Holy Roman Empire. And you could think

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Speaker 4: of even the European Union as an attempt to come

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Speaker 4: up with some sort of secular sequel to Christendom, like

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Speaker 4: a way of trying to, you know, bind Europe together

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Speaker 4: into us, a single collective entity. But I remember back

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Speaker 4: in two thousand and four five when they were trying

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Speaker 4: to push through a constitution on the EU, there was

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Speaker 4: an attempt made to make reference to just the Christian

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Speaker 4: and Jewish inheritance of Europe, as well as the Hellenic

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Speaker 4: and Enlightenment ones, and there was a huge political battle

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Speaker 4: over it, and in the end they said, nope, we're

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Speaker 4: not making any mention of it at all. So that's

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Speaker 4: the sort of broad context across Europe, you might say.

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Speaker 4: In Britain itself, you know, there's evidence, I think some

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Speaker 4: evidence that there's been a quiet revival over the last

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Speaker 4: five years, big spikes in Bible buying, big spikes in

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Speaker 4: commitment to God at least some kind of spirituality. So

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Speaker 4: there is some interesting, interesting science. But broadly speaking, the

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Speaker 4: institutional church, the Church of England, has chronically failed Christians

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Speaker 4: in Britain, for in England for many, many years now

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Speaker 4: on all of the really sort of hot button political issues.

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Speaker 4: It's taken aside. Now, you know, that's not something that

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Speaker 4: the church should should really be doing it, certainly shouldn't

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Speaker 4: be doing it as aggressively as it has been doing it.

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Speaker 4: I was saying to somebody the other day that actually,

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Speaker 4: you know, the bishops in the House of Lords are

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Speaker 4: voting more often against the Conservative government than.

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Speaker 6: The Labor Party.

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Speaker 4: My friend, my friend Ed West calls Britain. He says,

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Speaker 4: were with the world's only left wing theocracy.

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Speaker 2: Jeez, that's a bad that's a bad recipe.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, So the final final segment here, we only got

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Speaker 3: about two minutes left. You're going to be at Amfest.

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Speaker 3: What does a British Man do surrounded by tens of

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Speaker 3: thousands of conservative America.

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Speaker 4: Well, actually, you know what, I've had some practice because

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Speaker 4: I was at Charlie's memorial. I managed to make it

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Speaker 4: over in time from England, and that was if it's

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Speaker 4: anything like that, I'm deaf really looking forward to Amfest

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Speaker 4: and Charlie invited me back in August and I just

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Speaker 4: assumed that it wouldn't happen, and I but it did.

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Speaker 4: I'm just thrilled to be here. And I remember saying

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Speaker 4: what is amfirst, and he explained to me what it was,

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Speaker 4: and then I said well, well, you want me to speak,

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Speaker 4: what do you want me to say? He said, I know,

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Speaker 4: I know exactly what you're going to say. Say, don't worry,

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Speaker 4: I'll uh, I'll tell I'll tell you exactly what to say.

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Speaker 2: I'll write your speech for you.

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Speaker 4: And and I never followed up with him, So but

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Speaker 4: I'm just thrilled to be here and I hope I

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Speaker 4: can honor him on stage and and and honor him

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Speaker 4: with the various debates that I'm I'm privileged to be moderating.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I can't can't wait. We don't do that

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Speaker 4: kind of thing in England. And yeah, to just and

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Speaker 4: yet yeah, maybe this is something we could we could

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Speaker 4: bring over. But yeah, the energy, the momentum, the sense

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Speaker 4: of excitement that the vision that's just holding the movement

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Speaker 4: together is just or inspiring. And it's just great for

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Speaker 4: us to bring back, as I've said before, bring back

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Speaker 4: some coerkchews to to Britain.

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Speaker 3: Well, and and you're gonna have reform fests, that's gonna

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Speaker 3: be And then you're gonna you're gonna have in your

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Speaker 3: Mentee is gonna be there.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be finishing up. He's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Finishing he's gonna be the final speaker on Sunday, and

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Speaker 3: of course I mean JD.

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Speaker 2: Vance.

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Speaker 3: There's a bit of an insight, Jo, Well, it's not

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Speaker 3: an insight. It's been published, but uh, an unfortunate headline

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Speaker 3: about your relationship with JD Advance Vice President Jade Vance.

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Speaker 3: Who's amazing. He's gonna be We're grateful to have him

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Speaker 3: on the on the Sunday.

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Speaker 4: So it would be a great, great climax to a

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Speaker 4: fantastic event.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's truly truly gonna be something. And you'll

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Speaker 3: see the rowdiness and the different different ideas and the

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Speaker 3: different factions and facets of the conservative movement, but this

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Speaker 3: is what it's all about, bringing everybody together and let's

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Speaker 3: have the debates, but let's be unified and let's let's

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Speaker 3: kick off our push into twenty twenty six on a

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Speaker 3: high note. And that would there's no better way to

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Speaker 3: do that than to remember the incredible legacy of Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: And so we're looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be a bittersweet, but Charlie would want us

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Speaker 3: to make the most of it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, doctor her great to be with you.

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Speaker 7: Bet for more on many of these stories and news

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Speaker 7: you can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com