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Speaker 5: Our two of the Charlie Kirk Shows under way January
Speaker 5: twenty second, lots of good news today, lots and lots
Speaker 5: of good news coming through. And something we want to
Speaker 5: make sure that is not being overlooked is some of
Speaker 5: the behind the scenes work that's being done to clear
Speaker 5: out a gut of terrible precedents that have been living
Speaker 5: just sort of behind the surface to the federal government
Speaker 5: for decades. And you brought it up when we had
Speaker 5: Kelly Loffler, and we're actually gonna bring her back on
Speaker 5: because a lot of news has happened at a Small
Speaker 5: Business Administration on something called eight A, which, if you
Speaker 5: had to summarize quickly, Blake before we bring Ben on,
Speaker 5: what is eight A.
Speaker 3: Eight A is.
Speaker 1: It's this giant morass federal program to basically or orders.
Speaker 1: It's a program created by Congress orders the govern to
Speaker 1: give a certain percentage of its contracts to businesses that
Speaker 1: are certified as owned by disadvantaged people. Small businesses owned
Speaker 1: by disadvantaged people. Right, and this being America, who counts
Speaker 1: as disadvantage has grown to the point where you are
Speaker 1: disadvantaged if you're anything other than a white man, So
Speaker 1: if you're a woman, if you are basically anyways, if
Speaker 1: you are from a national group that makes more money
Speaker 1: on average than white Americans. Like I believe Indian Americans
Speaker 1: as disadvantage they out earn white Americans.
Speaker 3: So here to help.
Speaker 5: Us explain this is Ben Weiningarten, who is a Newsmax contributor.
Speaker 5: He's also a real clear politics contributor and writer. Ben,
Speaker 5: Good to see you again, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 5: I think this correct me if I'm wrong. Is this
Speaker 5: the first time we've had you back since you know,
Speaker 5: we lost Charlie. I always want to give the guests
Speaker 5: an opportunity to reflect on that as a first step.
Speaker 6: Well, well, thanks so much for having me, and it
Speaker 6: is the first time since being back. What a loss
Speaker 6: it has been for the country. You guys have done
Speaker 6: an exceptional job picking up the mantle to the extent
Speaker 6: anyone can.
Speaker 7: And I think the way to honor.
Speaker 6: His legacy is to fight with just as much vigor,
Speaker 6: just as much intellectual honesty and heft, and with as
Speaker 6: impassioned a sort of drive as we can possibly have
Speaker 6: to overcome these forces of evil and darkness that conspire
Speaker 6: to take him down. So, you know, as jew, we say,
Speaker 6: may his memory be a blessing, And I would also
Speaker 6: say may his memory and his works inspire us to
Speaker 6: go forth and conquer in this war of ideas and
Speaker 6: for civilization on his behalf.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well said Ben, And you've been a longtime guest
Speaker 5: intermittently you have these great pieces that come through ever
Speaker 5: real clear. And I know you're also Newsmax now, and
Speaker 5: so congratulations on all your success and all the things
Speaker 5: you're doing.
Speaker 3: This is a huge story.
Speaker 5: Charlie was all over disparate impact, he was all over CRT,
Speaker 5: he was all over DEI, something we never talked about
Speaker 5: until just recently. And Christopher Ruffo has been talking about
Speaker 5: it as well. And we're gonna have Kelly Leffler, actually
Speaker 5: Loeffler on the show tomorrow. She wants to come back
Speaker 5: on and give updates on what's going on over at SBA.
Speaker 5: But how big of a problem is this insidious little
Speaker 5: thing called eight A and what's being done to solve it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, well, thanks so much for those kind of words.
Speaker 6: And AA really looks like the small Business Administration manifestation
Speaker 6: of DEI on steroids. And even if you think that
Speaker 6: that's a political characterization, we need to look no further
Speaker 6: than the fact and the fact that hence focused by
Speaker 6: the Biden administration under its effort to infuse every single
Speaker 6: aspect of the federal government with quote unquote equity, And
Speaker 6: what they wanted to do was raise the percentage of
Speaker 6: SBA contracts to A firms eight A eligible firms, qualified
Speaker 6: firms from five percent of contracts to small businesses to
Speaker 6: fifteen percent. That's really all you need to know about
Speaker 6: how significant of a thrust this was, and what does
Speaker 6: that mean. We're talking percentages, but these are tens of
Speaker 6: billions of dollars in contracts every year that are steered
Speaker 6: towards purported socially and economically disadvantaged individually owned small businesses
Speaker 6: or majority minority owned small.
Speaker 7: Businesses, and so that's massive.
Speaker 6: Obviously, when we're talking about no big contracts or limited competition,
Speaker 6: they have focus from federal authorities. And this is really
Speaker 6: dating back years, if not decades, is on the fact
Speaker 6: that the program is open to massive amounts of waste, fraud,
Speaker 6: and abuse. There's been a recent prosecution over in this case,
Speaker 6: of course, a USAID administrator who was dolling out contracts
Speaker 6: to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars and
Speaker 6: receiving kickbacks pursue with these firms.
Speaker 7: But beyond that, the main allegations are.
Speaker 6: That you have these pass through entities where a firm
Speaker 6: puts itself out there as being owned by a minority
Speaker 6: business owner and then subcontracts out the work to massive
Speaker 6: defense contractors, for example. So essentially the idea is that
Speaker 6: you have a front company that looks like a minority
Speaker 6: company and they don't really do any of the work,
Speaker 6: but they collect the fees and then they shift a
Speaker 6: percentage of those fees onto a major company that actually
Speaker 6: does most of the work. And then of course there's
Speaker 6: the idea that their companies who claim to be socially
Speaker 6: and economically disadvantaged and in reality should not be based
Speaker 6: upon the criteria set up by SPA. And there have
Speaker 6: been studies done by Inspectors General to show that so
Speaker 6: one thing is the waste fraud abuse and that this
Speaker 6: looks like a racial preference program that is potentially rife
Speaker 6: with fraud, and that's led to all sorts of scrutiny
Speaker 6: by the SPA, by the Treasury Department, now by the
Speaker 6: Department of War, according to recent announcement by Secretary Hegith.
Speaker 6: And beyond the other aspect is is this thing legal
Speaker 6: in the first place, and there are regulations underpinning how
Speaker 6: this program is actually executed that suggests that there is
Speaker 6: a rebuttable presumption that you are a socially and then
Speaker 6: economically disadvantaged business if you are a member of a
Speaker 6: minority group.
Speaker 7: That present umption was challenged.
Speaker 6: So basically, if you are not a minority, you have
Speaker 6: to prove that you're socially and economically disadvantaged. But if
Speaker 6: you are, you're assumed to qualify for the program unless
Speaker 6: there's evidence shown to the contrary, and that evidence is
Speaker 6: basically never shown. Historically, that regulation was challenged, and at
Speaker 6: least one federal court found that it didn't.
Speaker 7: Pass legal muster.
Speaker 6: So to get around that ruling, the Biden administration said, Okay,
Speaker 6: we're not going to use a rebuttable presumption, but under
Speaker 6: this program, you're going to have to draft a socially
Speaker 6: disadvantaged narrative essay to show ways in which you've been disadvantaged.
Speaker 6: And so this is basically like a proxy for what
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court assumed that a lot of universities might
Speaker 6: try to do to get around affirmative action being prohibited,
Speaker 6: which is just write an essay as a proxy for it.
Speaker 6: So we've seen that similar regulations have gone from the
Speaker 6: SBA and been applied by a slew of other agencies
Speaker 6: now in other programs. So while you had a court
Speaker 6: say this rebuttable presumption for the SBA doesn't pass legal muster,
Speaker 6: and the Biden administration tried to find a workaround, the
Speaker 6: underlying regulation has been adopted by a ton of other
Speaker 6: agencies in doling out awards under programs to advance quote
Speaker 6: unquote socially and economically disadvantaged individual So this looks like
Speaker 6: racial preferences that continue to exist. And so I wrote
Speaker 6: in this recent story about real clear investigations about a
Speaker 6: lawsuit that seeks to wash away this regulation and invalidate
Speaker 6: it not just at the SBA, but everywhere it's been
Speaker 6: adopted across the federal government.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just to put this in perspective here, because you
Speaker 5: you didn't brush over, but I just want to draw
Speaker 5: our attention to it again. In twenty twenty four, the
Speaker 5: SBA awarded some seventy eight billion dollars, or twelve percent
Speaker 5: of all contract dollars, so they didn't even hit they're
Speaker 5: fifteen percent mark to so called small disadvantage businesses often
Speaker 5: under no bid or limited competition arrangement. So that's seventy
Speaker 5: eight billion in one agency. And to assume that there
Speaker 5: is some fraud, waste, and abuse in there, I think
Speaker 5: would be a safe assumption.
Speaker 1: The waste is picked in because you're just allowed to
Speaker 1: pay more for something you could get cheaper. That's already
Speaker 1: wasteful on top of the literal fraud that they do
Speaker 1: on top of that.
Speaker 3: And it's just interesting.
Speaker 5: As the demographics of the country shift ben it's like,
Speaker 5: how long are we going to keep up this ruse?
Speaker 3: Anyways?
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Speaker 5: all right, Ben, There is news also on the eight
Speaker 5: DA front that you mentioned this briefly, but it's kind
Speaker 5: of a program that's morphed and it's evolved and it's
Speaker 5: kind of spread to other parts of the government. And
Speaker 5: so Pete Hegseth came out and said that he's getting
Speaker 5: rid of eight A. How big of a chunk of
Speaker 5: money are we talking over at DODUB.
Speaker 6: We're definitely talking about billions of dollars annually, and the
Speaker 6: Department of Defense is among the biggest dollars out of
Speaker 6: contracts to a eligible firms. So it's like DoD HHS
Speaker 6: are some of the main agencies that contract through the
Speaker 6: SBA with these aight A firms, and so there's been
Speaker 6: allegations of defense contractors oftentimes effectively winning business using AA
Speaker 6: firms as fronts, essentially to get business they couldn't otherwise get.
Speaker 7: And something that was mentioned that's really kind.
Speaker 6: Of perverse in this is shouldn't all companies be competing
Speaker 6: a sort of according to their merits, on their own qualifications.
Speaker 6: And it's the same thing with affirmative action in school sports.
Speaker 6: Have said that these affirmative action type programs, it was
Speaker 6: always assumed that they would lapse, they would go away
Speaker 6: when we reached the place where discrimination wasn't rooted in
Speaker 6: all of these different institutions.
Speaker 7: And if it's been found in the schools, certainly wouldn't we.
Speaker 6: Have founded in the private sector as well at this time.
Speaker 6: And it's also worth noting, by the way, we're talking
Speaker 6: about a A in the federal government, and there's questions
Speaker 6: about whether or not that can even comport with the
Speaker 6: Trump administration's own executive orders against deis in federal contracting
Speaker 6: and in a federal government. But you also have these
Speaker 6: disadvantage business enterprises so called that get carved out contracts
Speaker 6: at the state and local levels. So it's billions upon
Speaker 6: the federal billions of dollars that are involved here. And
Speaker 6: there's a whole racket arguably associated with it in the
Speaker 6: law firms that represent these companies, in the advisors of
Speaker 6: the sultants, the people who write the studies justifying the
Speaker 6: continued use of racial preferences.
Speaker 7: So it is a massive, massive deal in terms of
Speaker 7: dollar value. You can argue that it goes way.
Speaker 6: Beyond what it would mean to abolish affirmative action in colleges.
Speaker 6: This is tens of billions of dollars at least just
Speaker 6: on the federal side, every single year, taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, and I think that's really smart. And this is
Speaker 5: you know, some of this is wonky. I'm sure the
Speaker 5: audience is kind of you know, it's a little bit.
Speaker 3: In the weeds.
Speaker 5: But it's so critically important because when we have senators
Speaker 5: like Ron Johnson here saying we got to get back
Speaker 5: to pre COVID level spending, okay, which is what four
Speaker 5: and a half trillion dollars. Now we're at like seven okay,
Speaker 5: six and a half seven. This is why it's so
Speaker 5: important because when you increase the federal budget like this,
Speaker 5: and you got these eight A and this DEI and
Speaker 5: this disparate impact embedded within the federal code and all
Speaker 5: these statutes, you got to just assume all your tax
Speaker 5: dollars just going away and getting flushed down the toilet
Speaker 5: for stuff that really is illegal. I mean, I remember
Speaker 5: Stephen Miller was on a crusade before he got back
Speaker 5: into the administration, suing a bunch of this anti white discrimination.
Speaker 5: And especially as the demographics of the country change, when
Speaker 5: when you got fifty percent white country and you got
Speaker 5: fifty percent, you know, minority country. A lot of this,
Speaker 5: a lot of this doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like in Los Angeles, their school district
Speaker 1: has a special category.
Speaker 3: James Kreski, he's on next about you.
Speaker 1: You'll create special categories where it's supposed to be. They'll
Speaker 1: have schools where they're marked a special because they're majority
Speaker 1: non white, and they get special privileges because the idea
Speaker 1: is smaller class, small class, sizes, more money, all these things.
Speaker 1: And it's eighty percent of the schools qualify for this because.
Speaker 3: It's only ten percent of the students in LA or
Speaker 3: now white white.
Speaker 1: So what you're you're literally at the point where, okay,
Speaker 1: this is not a leg up for this disadvantage small group,
Speaker 1: it's we just want to punish white people.
Speaker 3: And make spending.
Speaker 5: It's spending a lot of money. Here's Pete Hegseth on
Speaker 5: reviewing and rooting out aight A within the Dow three
Speaker 5: ninety eight.
Speaker 3: So effective immediately.
Speaker 8: I'm ordering a line by line review of every small
Speaker 8: business sole source eight a contract that is over twenty
Speaker 8: million dollars, and we'll look at everything smaller than that too.
Speaker 3: It's a two stage mission.
Speaker 8: First, if a contract doesn't make us more lethal, it's gone.
Speaker 8: We have no room in our budget for wasteful DEI
Speaker 8: contracts that don't help us win wars, period, full stop. Second,
Speaker 8: we're doing away with these pass through schemes. We'll make
Speaker 8: sure that every small business getting a contract is the
Speaker 8: one actually doing the work and not just some shell
Speaker 8: company funneling your money to a giant consulting firm.
Speaker 3: Ben final word to you, this.
Speaker 7: Is similar to in Minneapolis.
Speaker 6: You have basically government programs with limited safeguards, and of
Speaker 6: course they're going to get abused. And I think the
Speaker 6: really important thing is this the Trump administration is trying
Speaker 6: to do everything it can using executive power to get
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Speaker 6: turn right back on in a future administration.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's so true. This is why we
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Speaker 5: All right, I got some breaking news and then we're
Speaker 5: gonna bring in Ryan James Gerdowski, who has some interesting analysis.
Speaker 5: It always does, actually always brings really interesting stuff. So
Speaker 5: there's been a third arrest William Kelly, who was this
Speaker 5: crazy lunatic. This guy was always wearing a beanie, barking
Speaker 5: at all these people, poor people in this church. He's
Speaker 5: been indicted or he's been charged and actually is in
Speaker 5: FBI custody. So yesterday he was yeh, there's a picture
Speaker 5: of him, real lunatic. And we have a video of
Speaker 5: him yesterday basically challenging Pam Bondi to come arrest him
Speaker 5: four h two.
Speaker 10: So you know, Pambondy, you want to come and arrest me,
Speaker 10: you want to come and give me charges, so be it.
Speaker 10: And for all the people getting you know, giving me
Speaker 10: death threats, threatening my life, kill me, go ahead, kill me,
Speaker 10: because you know what, as Fred Hampton said, you can
Speaker 10: kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too bad this guy didn't go protest to
Speaker 1: church in Chicago because then we could have had William
Speaker 1: Kelly on to discuss William Kelly.
Speaker 3: That's a good point.
Speaker 5: So this this guy's been spotted all over DC. He's
Speaker 5: a complete lunatic. This is what he does full time.
Speaker 5: So he said, come arrest me. Pam Bondi said, okay, deal,
Speaker 5: I'll take that deal now. An update, Apparently a magistrate
Speaker 5: judge blocked the Don Lemon charges so they I'm not
Speaker 5: exactly we're getting the details there. So Don Lemon has
Speaker 5: not been charged. Yeah, there you go, magi strate judge
Speaker 5: rejects charges against Don Lemon over antist protests at Minnesota church. Okay,
Speaker 5: this is probably my guess here is that This is
Speaker 5: some sort of activist judge who didn't want to you know,
Speaker 5: he just is treating Don Lemon as as an independent journalist.
Speaker 5: Don Lemon was not an independent journalist. He was there
Speaker 5: as an activist. Okay, you don't kiss the main lead
Speaker 5: organizers also been charged and arrested. You don't tell him
Speaker 5: thank you for your service and defense their actions. If
Speaker 5: you're just an independent journalist, he's an activist. Okay, that's
Speaker 5: what he is.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 5: Welcome back, Ryan James Gerdowski. There, we got the housekeeping
Speaker 5: out of the way there, sir. Welcome back to the
Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to see you.
Speaker 4: Thank you. And you said a crazy guy with a
Speaker 4: beanie was arrested.
Speaker 11: I thought Tim Poole was going to show off, but
Speaker 11: I mean it's much better news.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, as far as I know, Tim hasn't
Speaker 5: been rating churches storming churches, although I wouldn't put it
Speaker 5: past him. He's unpredictable.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 5: So you had this interesting take here, and I think
Speaker 5: we've got the graphic and we throw it up, but
Speaker 5: you basically break down the states that are losing population,
Speaker 5: and this is something that we've been on really for
Speaker 5: a long time, Ryan, where you say green states that
Speaker 5: saw net positive migration from other Americans. Purple states are
Speaker 5: states that's on net negative migration.
Speaker 3: And you say this.
Speaker 5: Immigration is the only thing keeping certain blue states like
Speaker 5: New York, Illinois, New Jersey in California from losing ten
Speaker 5: plus congressional districts. Take us back in time, because this
Speaker 5: was a fight in Trump one point zero where they
Speaker 5: tried to make it so that in the census we
Speaker 5: would not have illegals counted in the census.
Speaker 11: What happened, well, I mean, listen, when I say immigration,
Speaker 11: it is both legal and illegal. I think that has
Speaker 11: to be set there and stated from my recollection from
Speaker 11: the census. Thing they brought up to the Supreme Court.
Speaker 11: The Supreme Court said no, that they have to be counted.
Speaker 4: Now. Before that, there was also a core.
Speaker 11: Case that said that only people of voting age and
Speaker 11: legality should be counted. In other words, children shouldn't be counted,
Speaker 11: and people who can't be voted either their residents or
Speaker 11: their visitors or their legal visitors, or they are illegal
Speaker 11: aliens should not be counted because that would at least
Speaker 11: make every congressional district of equal voting population. There are
Speaker 11: some congression districts that have one hundred or one hundred
Speaker 11: fifty thousand more voters than other districts, makes them much
Speaker 11: more expensive, harder to win. So that was interesting, But
Speaker 11: all the core has been very pretty consistent sitting there
Speaker 11: and saying no, it's every person in the building gets counted.
Speaker 11: So with that happening, especially because of COVID, there was
Speaker 11: a mass change in movement as far as people goes.
Speaker 11: California essentially has the same amount of people today as
Speaker 11: it did in twenty twenty. Right, American citizens are leaving
Speaker 11: that state. They're leaving New York, they're leaving Illinois. They're
Speaker 11: not willing to deal with the nonsense of failed government,
Speaker 11: democratic governance. What is happening is is that the three
Speaker 11: hundred thousand plus people who have moved to California from
Speaker 11: other countries have made up from the loss of population
Speaker 11: of Americans. So in the twenty thirty census, when California
Speaker 11: should be like, okay, let me say, how are the
Speaker 11: states doing, Where do people want to live? Where people moving,
Speaker 11: California should lose five seats. They really probably should lose
Speaker 11: five seats. They wouldn't have gained so many had not
Speaker 11: been fair legal alliances over time, but they should lose
Speaker 11: five seats. It is only for legal and illegal immigration
Speaker 11: that they don't lose more. It is very important in
Speaker 11: these four years where President's really cracking down illegal immigration,
Speaker 11: he is putting up barriers for legal immigration, that we
Speaker 11: sit there and we.
Speaker 4: Really reduce these numbers.
Speaker 11: Because in the twenty thirty decade, right as it stands now, Texas, Florida, Utah,
Speaker 11: Arizona are all set to.
Speaker 4: Gay idahos at the game.
Speaker 11: Correcial seats California, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Illinois will
Speaker 11: all lose, or Washington or Oregon.
Speaker 4: So it's supposed to lose one as well. They will
Speaker 4: all lose. What does that actually mean as far as
Speaker 4: presidential polis go.
Speaker 11: It means that that decade will be the first decade
Speaker 11: where the entire blue wall does not matter. In other words,
Speaker 11: if a Republican wins North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Arizona,
Speaker 11: they win the presidency and Ohio I should say Ohio to.
Speaker 11: As long as they win Ohio plus those other states,
Speaker 11: they win the presidency. There's no more conversation of how
Speaker 11: Wisconsin's going. I mean, it will be important to win
Speaker 11: those states and to sit there and campaign there, but
Speaker 11: it's not necessary anymore. The entire climate changes and it
Speaker 11: becomes very difficult for Democrats to really climb out of that.
Speaker 11: As Florida is not a swing stated anymore, as Texas
Speaker 11: has not become a swing state like they hoped it
Speaker 11: would be, Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia is really you know,
Speaker 11: they have they have work to do there to sit
Speaker 11: there and try to win. Yet and still they cannot
Speaker 11: count on these big blue states to the living and
Speaker 11: wor because Americans don't want to live there.
Speaker 5: It's such a big topic, Ryan, because you know, you
Speaker 5: have native born Americans that are abandoning American states. They're
Speaker 5: they're completely they're opting out, they're walking, and it just
Speaker 5: it seems like such a travesty that we have whole
Speaker 5: tracts of this country that Americans find so detestable that
Speaker 5: they refuse to live there.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter they have America.
Speaker 1: California was, let's be frank, it was paradise for decades,
Speaker 1: and Paradise is depopulating. It is a place of the
Speaker 1: very rich and the very poor.
Speaker 5: You have to be a special kind of stupid to
Speaker 5: drive people away from California.
Speaker 3: You jet, you have to yeah, go ahead, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: No, it's true.
Speaker 11: And think of I mean, but think of like public schools, right,
Speaker 11: public schools are literally free for people to attend, and
Speaker 11: yet they still won't. Democrats will make something unlikable even.
Speaker 4: If you give it for free.
Speaker 11: That is how bad some policies have it. And think
Speaker 11: of all the millions who are literally trapped there, who
Speaker 11: vote against its policies year in and year out, and
Speaker 11: they sit there and they try to work their way
Speaker 11: to make sure supermajorities maintain and the insanity continues. So
Speaker 11: I think it's very very important though, that the whole
Speaker 11: country doesn't go down that route, and we're no longer
Speaker 11: held hostage to these big blue states anymore because Americans
Speaker 11: don't want to live there. And if we can cut
Speaker 11: off illegal immigrations aret deporting people, I mean, we are
Speaker 11: but ramp it up. And if we can sit there
Speaker 11: and reduce legal immigration on top of that, we saw it,
Speaker 11: we will see massive change to the tune of ten
Speaker 11: twelve seats out of blue states into red ten twelve
Speaker 11: electoral colleges and it's a whole different ballgame.
Speaker 4: It's just a completely the twenty thirties changed.
Speaker 5: Radically, Well, the twenty thirties change. I think there's an
Speaker 5: I think there's an argument. Listen, if we look at
Speaker 5: what the Democrats are doing in Virginia, they're going full
Speaker 5: Marxist in a de D plus sixth state, and we
Speaker 5: we can't get Indiana to redistrict. There's a that we
Speaker 5: are we are taking a knife to a gunfight, if
Speaker 5: you will, And it's I mean, we're just we're still
Speaker 5: playing under an old playbook. And I thought we were
Speaker 5: past that. I thought, in the ear of Trump, we'd
Speaker 5: finally learn our lesson. After twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: We have not. We have not.
Speaker 5: And you know so, Ryan, you are the host of
Speaker 5: its Numbers Game. You're also you do the nappop dot
Speaker 5: substack dot com. You're also the founder of the seventeen
Speaker 5: seventy six Project Pack. You're like one of those people
Speaker 5: we bring on the show. And I got to have
Speaker 5: all these different like titles ready to get it out. No, No,
Speaker 5: you're doing You're doing great work all and so you
Speaker 5: are a numbers game guy. Talk about this deep mass
Speaker 5: deportations you just said we got to ramp it up.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 5: Then you got Axios saying that this is so unpopular.
Speaker 5: The Trump administration is looking at it. You got this
Speaker 5: story this morning, or this five year old illegal. The
Speaker 5: Democrats are spreading all this propaganda. Turns out the data
Speaker 5: abandoned him. How popular or unpopular is it, and specifically
Speaker 5: with independence and minorities.
Speaker 11: So the New York Times poll that just came out
Speaker 11: this morning was terrible for Trump. It was horrible poll
Speaker 11: numbers except on two issues, border security and deporting illegal immigrants.
Speaker 11: Now they're going to sit there and say, oh, look,
Speaker 11: the poll said that ice is unpopular. Yeah, they don't.
Speaker 11: People don't like massed agents. They don't like watching families cry.
Speaker 4: They don't. People are people like, they have a heart.
Speaker 11: However, that doesn't mean that they don't endorse the deportation effort.
Speaker 11: It is the most popular issues still when they ask
Speaker 11: what is Trump doing right? Deporting illegal immigrants? It was
Speaker 11: popular among not only Republicans, but I think it was
Speaker 11: plus twelve among independence It was positive among all age
Speaker 11: demographics over the age of thirty, so only the very
Speaker 11: young were opposed to it. It was very popular among
Speaker 11: men I think it was fifty to fifty among women.
Speaker 11: It is the issue that people bullet it for Donald
Speaker 11: Trump this and there was no like, oh I want
Speaker 11: what he'll sit there and do The signs were at
Speaker 11: the convention mass deportation now, so overall, yes, when they
Speaker 11: see the images on social media, they really don't like them.
Speaker 11: It's really given something. They don't like what happened in Minneapolis. However,
Speaker 11: they still support doing mass deportations. If Blue states would
Speaker 11: get on board with actually allowing prisons to so obliged
Speaker 11: by ice detainers and we could deport them straight from prisons,
Speaker 11: which Blue states are stopping right now, it would be
Speaker 11: a much easier and pragmatic approach.
Speaker 4: We can't have that. We should be.
Speaker 11: Looking at finding increasing finds against employers at hire illegals.
Speaker 4: That's an easier way to do it.
Speaker 11: But the good thing is that the Brookings Institute and
Speaker 11: AEI looked at this. We're having a net loss about
Speaker 11: one hundred thousand illegal foreign born citizens this year this
Speaker 11: year and not citizens but form born residents this year and.
Speaker 4: About half a million next year. It is working.
Speaker 11: It might be a little painful for the people who
Speaker 11: are queasy, but it is working and it's a good thing.
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Speaker 5: I want to play this clip from JD Vance and
Speaker 5: he's talking about we're not going to stop.
Speaker 3: We're not going to stop deporting illegals, so get over it.
Speaker 3: Four or four.
Speaker 12: The far left has decided that the United States of
Speaker 12: America shouldn't have a border anymore, and they are willing
Speaker 12: to fight and penalize and docks and even assault our
Speaker 12: law enforcement officers in order.
Speaker 3: To fight for the basic principle.
Speaker 12: That anybody ought to be able to come into the
Speaker 12: United States of America. Well, i'll tell you right now,
Speaker 12: the Trump administration we reject that we are going to
Speaker 12: get illegal criminals out of our country, and we're not going.
Speaker 3: To let a few left wing radical stoppers.
Speaker 5: So it seems like the administration is getting the memo here.
Speaker 5: Ryan James Gerdowski seventeen seventy six pack. Uh. Blake reads
Speaker 5: some of these numbers though on this New York Times
Speaker 5: poll because I mean.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to me. So, as you mentioned, he's he's
Speaker 1: strongest on the border. But unsurprisingly people are annoyed about
Speaker 1: the Epstein Files thing. But like, for example, he's only
Speaker 1: forty one approved fifty three disapprove on Venezuela, which we
Speaker 1: talked to Rich Traveris about that. It's interesting because Latin
Speaker 1: America does overwhelmingly seem to like it, and it seems
Speaker 1: it basically did work whatever he was, what his plan was,
Speaker 1: and you know, we didn't invade, we did whatever war, so.
Speaker 3: Why are they unhappy about there?
Speaker 1: Or thirty seven and fifty four on the Israel Palestine
Speaker 1: conflict where it's imperfect, but they actually did get a
Speaker 1: ceasefire in that one, which is one of the things
Speaker 1: he promised he would get.
Speaker 3: So he's seen as too close to bb Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thirty four negative twenty four, thirty four to fifty eight
Speaker 1: on Russia Ukraine. I guess it hasn't ended the war yet,
Speaker 1: but nothing catastrophic has happened either.
Speaker 11: But if you liked it, that because because if you
Speaker 11: look at the numbers, right, it's it comes down to
Speaker 11: the estancial thing of inflation and cost of living, right.
Speaker 11: The only thing that he does worse than the cost
Speaker 11: of living is the Epstein Files and It's kind of
Speaker 11: like something one thing is polluted and therefore everything is polluted.
Speaker 11: It makes no rhyme or reason. Like on Israel, he
Speaker 11: did a great job on Venezuela, everything worked out like
Speaker 11: So there's the negative negativity towards the issue cost of
Speaker 11: living and the feeling that he is not organized on
Speaker 11: the issue of cost of living and that's not a
Speaker 11: priority pollutes everything. The one coveyat I will say at
Speaker 11: the Times, and I'm not a pole truther, but the
Speaker 11: one coveyat I will provide for the Times issue is
Speaker 11: when they ask independence, do you lean Republican or Democrats?
Speaker 4: Overwhelmingly Democrats. So there could be.
Speaker 11: Some maybe a little, maybe a margin of error in
Speaker 11: one way or the other. But I think that the
Speaker 11: ideas that the priorities are not there. We want to
Speaker 11: really focus a lot on American, on American stuff and
Speaker 11: making sure American jobs are coming back, and I think
Speaker 11: that that is just creates negativity across the board on everything.
Speaker 1: What is driving the so people say cost of deliving
Speaker 1: affordability is that a vibes based thing. Is there is
Speaker 1: something specific they see because I just thought I was
Speaker 1: looking up and I know rental prices in a lot
Speaker 1: of big cities are stagnating or falling, so housing, especially
Speaker 1: for people.
Speaker 4: Here's a big part of it.
Speaker 11: But also it is one of the worst times when
Speaker 11: to be young and looking for a job in our country.
Speaker 11: Like that is just the truth. I don't know whether
Speaker 11: it's AI or job is being moved overseas or whatever
Speaker 11: the case is. You hear a lot of things from
Speaker 11: a lot of different people and you kind of try
Speaker 11: to parse through to find the truth. That though, is
Speaker 11: a really big part of it. And the number one
Speaker 11: group that is set there and turned on Trump are
Speaker 11: young people. It's people under the age of thirty. His
Speaker 11: numbers are very stable. For people over the age of thirty,
Speaker 11: I mean, they're really not horrendous. There are some numbers
Speaker 11: are that could be off, that could be better. However,
Speaker 11: the numbers under thirty where you're seeing the biggest u
Speaker 11: turn against him. I kind of think in part part
Speaker 11: of its vibes and its social media and people getting
Speaker 11: outrage over every kind of nonsense there is, and part
Speaker 11: of I think is one of the worst times to
Speaker 11: be a young person to try.
Speaker 4: To find a job.
Speaker 5: I will tell you we had a bunch of turning
Speaker 5: points students on the show not too long ago, and
Speaker 5: I was struck by how much they kept going and again,
Speaker 5: these are conservative kids, all right, Okay, so it's a
Speaker 5: selected bias there, but I was struck by how much
Speaker 5: they talked about H one by And listen, I'm H
Speaker 5: one B is a actually a small fraction of a
Speaker 5: much larger legal.
Speaker 1: Immigration to some extent, but it's what they talk about.
Speaker 5: Right, because it's symbolic for them because they feel like,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, they do have the AI on slot coming.
Speaker 5: That's that's that's an entry level job killer. AI is
Speaker 5: going to take a lot of analyst jobs. It's going
Speaker 5: to take a lot of you know, data jobs. So
Speaker 5: they look at H one B as a truly symbolic
Speaker 5: problem for their generation going into the workforce. I think
Speaker 5: they need to do more on that. I think they
Speaker 5: need to do it more on legal immigration because legal
Speaker 5: immigration is actually, structurally I think one of the biggest
Speaker 5: problems facing the country.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and listen, President Trump is going all in on AI.
Speaker 11: He's making a real a big bet. He says it's
Speaker 11: going to create more jobs than it takes away. Maybe
Speaker 11: it doesn't. Maybe we're just in the pain period.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball.
Speaker 11: However, if he is wrong, it is a generational consequence,
Speaker 11: like there's I don't know if anyone's out there and said,
Speaker 11: mister president, what if you are wrong on this major,
Speaker 11: major thing, and you're looking at a generation where twenty
Speaker 11: percent can't find a job. I think that that's a
Speaker 11: real conversation that democrats on the left are having. Rocana
Speaker 11: is having that conversation. Democrats are saying, what are we
Speaker 11: going to do about AI in a real way where
Speaker 11: we redistribute? Well, they're speaking about as a solution towards socialism,
Speaker 11: as AI is the gateway to actually get real socialism
Speaker 11: in America in a way that we have never felt it.
Speaker 11: They think that that's the answer, and I know the
Speaker 11: internal polling that they have flagged.
Speaker 4: The President says the.
Speaker 11: Numbers on AI are not great, like they do most
Speaker 11: Americans are worried about it.
Speaker 4: They're not concerned. You are the AI president.
Speaker 11: I think that that's something that they should be sitting
Speaker 11: there and trying to calculate and say, Okay, what are
Speaker 11: you know, what are we doing?
Speaker 5: You know, I saw David Sachs was flagging this over
Speaker 5: at Davos, and he was talking about how China has
Speaker 5: you know, the Chinese population is like an eighty percent
Speaker 5: positive rate, you know when polled about AI, and in
Speaker 5: the United States it's like forty forty one forty three.
Speaker 1: I think the President is right to go for AI
Speaker 1: because it's not even whether AI will create jobs or not,
Speaker 1: it's that AI will exist. And do you want it
Speaker 1: to be in America like or do you want to
Speaker 1: be in China and we lose whatever jobs that takes.
Speaker 4: Do you want to regulate it at all?
Speaker 11: That's the question, is like pe like like Sachs will say, oh,
Speaker 11: we need a federal regulation and then just ask sax Okay,
Speaker 11: what's the federal regulation you support and see if he
Speaker 11: says anything, because I have yet to see when when
Speaker 11: you ask Silicon Valley to police themselves they fail.
Speaker 4: Do I mean, we can just go back to a.
Speaker 11: Twenty twenty where they were literally on board with every
Speaker 11: single far left extreme thing that there was, and then
Speaker 11: Trump was popular in one and now they're all on board.
Speaker 11: But they'll leave us again in thirty five seconds. They
Speaker 11: don't care, They have no loyalty. If you ask what
Speaker 11: is the thing you're willing to sit there and actually
Speaker 11: get hard federal legislation on what is it? And I
Speaker 11: don't just tell me, you know, children, child pornography. Well
Speaker 11: tell me a real concrete thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I listen, and I know. There was
Speaker 5: a bunch of back and forth on the one big
Speaker 5: beautiful bill, and there was that one clause which was gonna,
Speaker 5: you know, put off any regulation in the state level
Speaker 5: for ten years or whatever. It made sense because California
Speaker 5: was in New York are so large, their economies are
Speaker 5: so large that they could basically dictate a patchwork of
Speaker 5: woke regulation at the state level on AI and it
Speaker 5: would screw everybody else. So I understood the sentiment. It
Speaker 5: got demonized and villainized. Yeah, twenty sevens.
Speaker 11: But Andrew, but remember Tennessee was what killed that part
Speaker 11: of the bill. I know Tennessee.
Speaker 4: It was in New York or California.
Speaker 11: Texas has AI regulation, Florida has AI regulation. It is
Speaker 11: not just the thing is, yeah, we're gonna end up
Speaker 11: with patchwork because there's no federal response. Either make a
Speaker 11: federal response and give up something instead of asking Silicon
Speaker 11: Valley for advice, up something that the taxpayer the voters want,
Speaker 11: or you're going to see just states continue to do it.
Speaker 4: You can't have it both ways.
Speaker 5: Ryan here asking really good conversation. We'll have you on
Speaker 5: and back again soon.
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