1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 2: I run the largest pro American student organization in the country, 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 2: fighting for the future of our republic. My call is 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: to fight evil and to proclaim truth. If the most 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 2: important thing for you is just feeling good, you're gonna 6 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: end up miserable. But if the most important thing is 7 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: doing good, you'll end up purposeful. College is a scam, everybody. 8 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: You got to stop sending your kids to college. You 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: should get married as young as possible and have as 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: many kids as possible. 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 3: Go start at turning point. 12 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: You would say college chapter. Go start aturning point, yould 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 2: say high school chapter. 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I recommend to 24 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: my family, friends and viewers. 25 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 3: All right. 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 5: Our two of the Charlie Kirk Shows under way January 27 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 5: twenty second, lots of good news today, lots and lots 28 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 5: of good news coming through. And something we want to 29 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 5: make sure that is not being overlooked is some of 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,639 Speaker 5: the behind the scenes work that's being done to clear 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 5: out a gut of terrible precedents that have been living 32 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 5: just sort of behind the surface to the federal government 33 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 5: for decades. And you brought it up when we had 34 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 5: Kelly Loffler, and we're actually gonna bring her back on 35 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 5: because a lot of news has happened at a Small 36 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 5: Business Administration on something called eight A, which, if you 37 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 5: had to summarize quickly, Blake before we bring Ben on, 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 5: what is eight A. 39 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 3: Eight A is. 40 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: It's this giant morass federal program to basically or orders. 41 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: It's a program created by Congress orders the govern to 42 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: give a certain percentage of its contracts to businesses that 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: are certified as owned by disadvantaged people. Small businesses owned 44 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: by disadvantaged people. Right, and this being America, who counts 45 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: as disadvantage has grown to the point where you are 46 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: disadvantaged if you're anything other than a white man, So 47 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: if you're a woman, if you are basically anyways, if 48 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: you are from a national group that makes more money 49 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: on average than white Americans. Like I believe Indian Americans 50 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: as disadvantage they out earn white Americans. 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 3: So here to help. 52 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 5: Us explain this is Ben Weiningarten, who is a Newsmax contributor. 53 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 5: He's also a real clear politics contributor and writer. Ben, 54 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 5: Good to see you again, welcome back to the show. 55 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 5: I think this correct me if I'm wrong. Is this 56 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 5: the first time we've had you back since you know, 57 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 5: we lost Charlie. I always want to give the guests 58 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 5: an opportunity to reflect on that as a first step. 59 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 6: Well, well, thanks so much for having me, and it 60 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 6: is the first time since being back. What a loss 61 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:04,839 Speaker 6: it has been for the country. You guys have done 62 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 6: an exceptional job picking up the mantle to the extent 63 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 6: anyone can. 64 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 7: And I think the way to honor. 65 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 6: His legacy is to fight with just as much vigor, 66 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 6: just as much intellectual honesty and heft, and with as 67 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 6: impassioned a sort of drive as we can possibly have 68 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 6: to overcome these forces of evil and darkness that conspire 69 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,839 Speaker 6: to take him down. So, you know, as jew, we say, 70 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 6: may his memory be a blessing, And I would also 71 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 6: say may his memory and his works inspire us to 72 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 6: go forth and conquer in this war of ideas and 73 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 6: for civilization on his behalf. 74 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, well said Ben, And you've been a longtime guest 75 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 5: intermittently you have these great pieces that come through ever 76 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 5: real clear. And I know you're also Newsmax now, and 77 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 5: so congratulations on all your success and all the things 78 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 5: you're doing. 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 3: This is a huge story. 80 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 5: Charlie was all over disparate impact, he was all over CRT, 81 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 5: he was all over DEI, something we never talked about 82 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 5: until just recently. And Christopher Ruffo has been talking about 83 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 5: it as well. And we're gonna have Kelly Leffler, actually 84 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 5: Loeffler on the show tomorrow. She wants to come back 85 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 5: on and give updates on what's going on over at SBA. 86 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 5: But how big of a problem is this insidious little 87 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 5: thing called eight A and what's being done to solve it? 88 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, well, thanks so much for those kind of words. 89 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 6: And AA really looks like the small Business Administration manifestation 90 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 6: of DEI on steroids. And even if you think that 91 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 6: that's a political characterization, we need to look no further 92 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 6: than the fact and the fact that hence focused by 93 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 6: the Biden administration under its effort to infuse every single 94 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 6: aspect of the federal government with quote unquote equity, And 95 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 6: what they wanted to do was raise the percentage of 96 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 6: SBA contracts to A firms eight A eligible firms, qualified 97 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 6: firms from five percent of contracts to small businesses to 98 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 6: fifteen percent. That's really all you need to know about 99 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 6: how significant of a thrust this was, and what does 100 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 6: that mean. We're talking percentages, but these are tens of 101 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 6: billions of dollars in contracts every year that are steered 102 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 6: towards purported socially and economically disadvantaged individually owned small businesses 103 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 6: or majority minority owned small. 104 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 7: Businesses, and so that's massive. 105 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 6: Obviously, when we're talking about no big contracts or limited competition, 106 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 6: they have focus from federal authorities. And this is really 107 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 6: dating back years, if not decades, is on the fact 108 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 6: that the program is open to massive amounts of waste, fraud, 109 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 6: and abuse. There's been a recent prosecution over in this case, 110 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 6: of course, a USAID administrator who was dolling out contracts 111 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 6: to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars and 112 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 6: receiving kickbacks pursue with these firms. 113 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,159 Speaker 7: But beyond that, the main allegations are. 114 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 6: That you have these pass through entities where a firm 115 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 6: puts itself out there as being owned by a minority 116 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 6: business owner and then subcontracts out the work to massive 117 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 6: defense contractors, for example. So essentially the idea is that 118 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 6: you have a front company that looks like a minority 119 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 6: company and they don't really do any of the work, 120 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 6: but they collect the fees and then they shift a 121 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 6: percentage of those fees onto a major company that actually 122 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 6: does most of the work. And then of course there's 123 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 6: the idea that their companies who claim to be socially 124 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 6: and economically disadvantaged and in reality should not be based 125 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 6: upon the criteria set up by SPA. And there have 126 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 6: been studies done by Inspectors General to show that so 127 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 6: one thing is the waste fraud abuse and that this 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 6: looks like a racial preference program that is potentially rife 129 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 6: with fraud, and that's led to all sorts of scrutiny 130 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 6: by the SPA, by the Treasury Department, now by the 131 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 6: Department of War, according to recent announcement by Secretary Hegith. 132 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 6: And beyond the other aspect is is this thing legal 133 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 6: in the first place, and there are regulations underpinning how 134 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 6: this program is actually executed that suggests that there is 135 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 6: a rebuttable presumption that you are a socially and then 136 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 6: economically disadvantaged business if you are a member of a 137 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 6: minority group. 138 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 7: That present umption was challenged. 139 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 6: So basically, if you are not a minority, you have 140 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 6: to prove that you're socially and economically disadvantaged. But if 141 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 6: you are, you're assumed to qualify for the program unless 142 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 6: there's evidence shown to the contrary, and that evidence is 143 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 6: basically never shown. Historically, that regulation was challenged, and at 144 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 6: least one federal court found that it didn't. 145 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 7: Pass legal muster. 146 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 6: So to get around that ruling, the Biden administration said, Okay, 147 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 6: we're not going to use a rebuttable presumption, but under 148 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 6: this program, you're going to have to draft a socially 149 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 6: disadvantaged narrative essay to show ways in which you've been disadvantaged. 150 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 6: And so this is basically like a proxy for what 151 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,559 Speaker 6: the Supreme Court assumed that a lot of universities might 152 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 6: try to do to get around affirmative action being prohibited, 153 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 6: which is just write an essay as a proxy for it. 154 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 6: So we've seen that similar regulations have gone from the 155 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 6: SBA and been applied by a slew of other agencies 156 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 6: now in other programs. So while you had a court 157 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 6: say this rebuttable presumption for the SBA doesn't pass legal muster, 158 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 6: and the Biden administration tried to find a workaround, the 159 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 6: underlying regulation has been adopted by a ton of other 160 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 6: agencies in doling out awards under programs to advance quote 161 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 6: unquote socially and economically disadvantaged individual So this looks like 162 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 6: racial preferences that continue to exist. And so I wrote 163 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 6: in this recent story about real clear investigations about a 164 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 6: lawsuit that seeks to wash away this regulation and invalidate 165 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 6: it not just at the SBA, but everywhere it's been 166 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 6: adopted across the federal government. 167 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, just to put this in perspective here, because you 168 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 5: you didn't brush over, but I just want to draw 169 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 5: our attention to it again. In twenty twenty four, the 170 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 5: SBA awarded some seventy eight billion dollars, or twelve percent 171 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 5: of all contract dollars, so they didn't even hit they're 172 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 5: fifteen percent mark to so called small disadvantage businesses often 173 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 5: under no bid or limited competition arrangement. So that's seventy 174 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 5: eight billion in one agency. And to assume that there 175 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 5: is some fraud, waste, and abuse in there, I think 176 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 5: would be a safe assumption. 177 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,080 Speaker 1: The waste is picked in because you're just allowed to 178 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: pay more for something you could get cheaper. That's already 179 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: wasteful on top of the literal fraud that they do 180 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: on top of that. 181 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: And it's just interesting. 182 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 5: As the demographics of the country shift ben it's like, 183 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 5: how long are we going to keep up this ruse? 184 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 3: Anyways? 185 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 5: President Trump walked into a catch twenty two when taking office. 186 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 5: Do nothing in America would be staring at a ticking 187 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 5: debt bomb, the kind of crisis that could cripple our future. Instead, 188 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 5: he's taken action with strong policies to slow the train 189 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 5: and buy us some time. 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Now it's your term to help protect yours, 206 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 5: all right, Ben, There is news also on the eight 207 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 5: DA front that you mentioned this briefly, but it's kind 208 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 5: of a program that's morphed and it's evolved and it's 209 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 5: kind of spread to other parts of the government. And 210 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 5: so Pete Hegseth came out and said that he's getting 211 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 5: rid of eight A. How big of a chunk of 212 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 5: money are we talking over at DODUB. 213 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 6: We're definitely talking about billions of dollars annually, and the 214 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 6: Department of Defense is among the biggest dollars out of 215 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 6: contracts to a eligible firms. So it's like DoD HHS 216 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 6: are some of the main agencies that contract through the 217 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 6: SBA with these aight A firms, and so there's been 218 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 6: allegations of defense contractors oftentimes effectively winning business using AA 219 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 6: firms as fronts, essentially to get business they couldn't otherwise get. 220 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 7: And something that was mentioned that's really kind. 221 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 6: Of perverse in this is shouldn't all companies be competing 222 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 6: a sort of according to their merits, on their own qualifications. 223 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 6: And it's the same thing with affirmative action in school sports. 224 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 6: Have said that these affirmative action type programs, it was 225 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 6: always assumed that they would lapse, they would go away 226 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 6: when we reached the place where discrimination wasn't rooted in 227 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 6: all of these different institutions. 228 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 7: And if it's been found in the schools, certainly wouldn't we. 229 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 6: Have founded in the private sector as well at this time. 230 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 6: And it's also worth noting, by the way, we're talking 231 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 6: about a A in the federal government, and there's questions 232 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 6: about whether or not that can even comport with the 233 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 6: Trump administration's own executive orders against deis in federal contracting 234 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 6: and in a federal government. But you also have these 235 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 6: disadvantage business enterprises so called that get carved out contracts 236 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 6: at the state and local levels. So it's billions upon 237 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 6: the federal billions of dollars that are involved here. And 238 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 6: there's a whole racket arguably associated with it in the 239 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 6: law firms that represent these companies, in the advisors of 240 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 6: the sultants, the people who write the studies justifying the 241 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 6: continued use of racial preferences. 242 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 7: So it is a massive, massive deal in terms of 243 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 7: dollar value. You can argue that it goes way. 244 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 6: Beyond what it would mean to abolish affirmative action in colleges. 245 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 6: This is tens of billions of dollars at least just 246 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 6: on the federal side, every single year, taxpayer dollars. 247 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 3: Yeah. 248 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 5: Well, and I think that's really smart. And this is 249 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 5: you know, some of this is wonky. I'm sure the 250 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 5: audience is kind of you know, it's a little bit. 251 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 3: In the weeds. 252 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 5: But it's so critically important because when we have senators 253 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 5: like Ron Johnson here saying we got to get back 254 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 5: to pre COVID level spending, okay, which is what four 255 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 5: and a half trillion dollars. Now we're at like seven okay, 256 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 5: six and a half seven. This is why it's so 257 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 5: important because when you increase the federal budget like this, 258 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 5: and you got these eight A and this DEI and 259 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 5: this disparate impact embedded within the federal code and all 260 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 5: these statutes, you got to just assume all your tax 261 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 5: dollars just going away and getting flushed down the toilet 262 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 5: for stuff that really is illegal. I mean, I remember 263 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 5: Stephen Miller was on a crusade before he got back 264 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 5: into the administration, suing a bunch of this anti white discrimination. 265 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 5: And especially as the demographics of the country change, when 266 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 5: when you got fifty percent white country and you got 267 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 5: fifty percent, you know, minority country. A lot of this, 268 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 5: a lot of this doesn't make any sense. 269 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: It's sort of like in Los Angeles, their school district 270 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: has a special category. 271 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 3: James Kreski, he's on next about you. 272 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: You'll create special categories where it's supposed to be. They'll 273 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: have schools where they're marked a special because they're majority 274 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: non white, and they get special privileges because the idea 275 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: is smaller class, small class, sizes, more money, all these things. 276 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: And it's eighty percent of the schools qualify for this because. 277 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: It's only ten percent of the students in LA or 278 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 3: now white white. 279 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: So what you're you're literally at the point where, okay, 280 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: this is not a leg up for this disadvantage small group, 281 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,239 Speaker 1: it's we just want to punish white people. 282 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: And make spending. 283 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 5: It's spending a lot of money. Here's Pete Hegseth on 284 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 5: reviewing and rooting out aight A within the Dow three 285 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 5: ninety eight. 286 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 3: So effective immediately. 287 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 8: I'm ordering a line by line review of every small 288 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 8: business sole source eight a contract that is over twenty 289 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 8: million dollars, and we'll look at everything smaller than that too. 290 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: It's a two stage mission. 291 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 8: First, if a contract doesn't make us more lethal, it's gone. 292 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 8: We have no room in our budget for wasteful DEI 293 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 8: contracts that don't help us win wars, period, full stop. Second, 294 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 8: we're doing away with these pass through schemes. We'll make 295 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 8: sure that every small business getting a contract is the 296 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 8: one actually doing the work and not just some shell 297 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 8: company funneling your money to a giant consulting firm. 298 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 3: Ben final word to you, this. 299 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 7: Is similar to in Minneapolis. 300 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 6: You have basically government programs with limited safeguards, and of 301 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 6: course they're going to get abused. 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So yesterday he was yeh, there's a picture 343 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 5: of him, real lunatic. And we have a video of 344 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 5: him yesterday basically challenging Pam Bondi to come arrest him 345 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 5: four h two. 346 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 10: So you know, Pambondy, you want to come and arrest me, 347 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 10: you want to come and give me charges, so be it. 348 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 10: And for all the people getting you know, giving me 349 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 10: death threats, threatening my life, kill me, go ahead, kill me, 350 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 10: because you know what, as Fred Hampton said, you can 351 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 10: kill the revolutionary, but you can't kill the revolution. 352 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too bad this guy didn't go protest to 353 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: church in Chicago because then we could have had William 354 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: Kelly on to discuss William Kelly. 355 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: That's a good point. 356 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 5: So this this guy's been spotted all over DC. He's 357 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 5: a complete lunatic. This is what he does full time. 358 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 5: So he said, come arrest me. Pam Bondi said, okay, deal, 359 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:25,719 Speaker 5: I'll take that deal now. An update, Apparently a magistrate 360 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 5: judge blocked the Don Lemon charges so they I'm not 361 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 5: exactly we're getting the details there. So Don Lemon has 362 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 5: not been charged. Yeah, there you go, magi strate judge 363 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 5: rejects charges against Don Lemon over antist protests at Minnesota church. Okay, 364 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 5: this is probably my guess here is that This is 365 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 5: some sort of activist judge who didn't want to you know, 366 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 5: he just is treating Don Lemon as as an independent journalist. 367 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 5: Don Lemon was not an independent journalist. He was there 368 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 5: as an activist. Okay, you don't kiss the main lead 369 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 5: organizers also been charged and arrested. You don't tell him 370 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 5: thank you for your service and defense their actions. If 371 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 5: you're just an independent journalist, he's an activist. Okay, that's 372 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 5: what he is. 373 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 7: Now. 374 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,880 Speaker 5: Welcome back, Ryan James Gerdowski. There, we got the housekeeping 375 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 5: out of the way there, sir. Welcome back to the 376 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk Show. It's good to see you. 377 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 4: Thank you. And you said a crazy guy with a 378 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 4: beanie was arrested. 379 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 11: I thought Tim Poole was going to show off, but 380 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 11: I mean it's much better news. 381 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, as far as I know, Tim hasn't 382 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 5: been rating churches storming churches, although I wouldn't put it 383 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 5: past him. He's unpredictable. 384 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 3: All right. 385 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 5: So you had this interesting take here, and I think 386 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 5: we've got the graphic and we throw it up, but 387 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 5: you basically break down the states that are losing population, 388 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 5: and this is something that we've been on really for 389 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 5: a long time, Ryan, where you say green states that 390 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 5: saw net positive migration from other Americans. Purple states are 391 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 5: states that's on net negative migration. 392 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 3: And you say this. 393 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 5: Immigration is the only thing keeping certain blue states like 394 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 5: New York, Illinois, New Jersey in California from losing ten 395 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 5: plus congressional districts. Take us back in time, because this 396 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 5: was a fight in Trump one point zero where they 397 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 5: tried to make it so that in the census we 398 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 5: would not have illegals counted in the census. 399 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,360 Speaker 11: What happened, well, I mean, listen, when I say immigration, 400 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 11: it is both legal and illegal. I think that has 401 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,160 Speaker 11: to be set there and stated from my recollection from 402 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 11: the census. Thing they brought up to the Supreme Court. 403 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 11: The Supreme Court said no, that they have to be counted. 404 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,280 Speaker 4: Now. Before that, there was also a core. 405 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 11: Case that said that only people of voting age and 406 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 11: legality should be counted. In other words, children shouldn't be counted, 407 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 11: and people who can't be voted either their residents or 408 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 11: their visitors or their legal visitors, or they are illegal 409 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 11: aliens should not be counted because that would at least 410 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 11: make every congressional district of equal voting population. There are 411 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 11: some congression districts that have one hundred or one hundred 412 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 11: fifty thousand more voters than other districts, makes them much 413 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,480 Speaker 11: more expensive, harder to win. So that was interesting, But 414 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 11: all the core has been very pretty consistent sitting there 415 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 11: and saying no, it's every person in the building gets counted. 416 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 11: So with that happening, especially because of COVID, there was 417 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 11: a mass change in movement as far as people goes. 418 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,720 Speaker 11: California essentially has the same amount of people today as 419 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 11: it did in twenty twenty. Right, American citizens are leaving 420 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 11: that state. They're leaving New York, they're leaving Illinois. They're 421 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 11: not willing to deal with the nonsense of failed government, 422 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 11: democratic governance. What is happening is is that the three 423 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 11: hundred thousand plus people who have moved to California from 424 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 11: other countries have made up from the loss of population 425 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 11: of Americans. So in the twenty thirty census, when California 426 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 11: should be like, okay, let me say, how are the 427 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 11: states doing, Where do people want to live? Where people moving, 428 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 11: California should lose five seats. They really probably should lose 429 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 11: five seats. They wouldn't have gained so many had not 430 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 11: been fair legal alliances over time, but they should lose 431 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 11: five seats. It is only for legal and illegal immigration 432 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 11: that they don't lose more. It is very important in 433 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 11: these four years where President's really cracking down illegal immigration, 434 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 11: he is putting up barriers for legal immigration, that we 435 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 11: sit there and we. 436 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 4: Really reduce these numbers. 437 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 11: Because in the twenty thirty decade, right as it stands now, Texas, Florida, Utah, 438 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 11: Arizona are all set to. 439 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 4: Gay idahos at the game. 440 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 11: Correcial seats California, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Illinois will 441 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 11: all lose, or Washington or Oregon. 442 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,400 Speaker 4: So it's supposed to lose one as well. They will 443 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 4: all lose. What does that actually mean as far as 444 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 4: presidential polis go. 445 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 11: It means that that decade will be the first decade 446 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 11: where the entire blue wall does not matter. In other words, 447 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 11: if a Republican wins North Carolina, Georgia, Florida, Texas, Arizona, 448 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 11: they win the presidency and Ohio I should say Ohio to. 449 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 11: As long as they win Ohio plus those other states, 450 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 11: they win the presidency. There's no more conversation of how 451 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 11: Wisconsin's going. I mean, it will be important to win 452 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 11: those states and to sit there and campaign there, but 453 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 11: it's not necessary anymore. The entire climate changes and it 454 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 11: becomes very difficult for Democrats to really climb out of that. 455 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 11: As Florida is not a swing stated anymore, as Texas 456 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 11: has not become a swing state like they hoped it 457 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 11: would be, Arizona, North Carolina, and Georgia is really you know, 458 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 11: they have they have work to do there to sit 459 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 11: there and try to win. Yet and still they cannot 460 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 11: count on these big blue states to the living and 461 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 11: wor because Americans don't want to live there. 462 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,280 Speaker 5: It's such a big topic, Ryan, because you know, you 463 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 5: have native born Americans that are abandoning American states. They're 464 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,639 Speaker 5: they're completely they're opting out, they're walking, and it just 465 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 5: it seems like such a travesty that we have whole 466 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 5: tracts of this country that Americans find so detestable that 467 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 5: they refuse to live there. 468 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: It doesn't matter they have America. 469 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: California was, let's be frank, it was paradise for decades, 470 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: and Paradise is depopulating. It is a place of the 471 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 1: very rich and the very poor. 472 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 5: You have to be a special kind of stupid to 473 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 5: drive people away from California. 474 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 3: You jet, you have to yeah, go ahead, right, yeah, yeah. 475 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 4: No, it's true. 476 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 11: And think of I mean, but think of like public schools, right, 477 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 11: public schools are literally free for people to attend, and 478 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 11: yet they still won't. Democrats will make something unlikable even. 479 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 4: If you give it for free. 480 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 11: That is how bad some policies have it. And think 481 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 11: of all the millions who are literally trapped there, who 482 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 11: vote against its policies year in and year out, and 483 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 11: they sit there and they try to work their way 484 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 11: to make sure supermajorities maintain and the insanity continues. So 485 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 11: I think it's very very important though, that the whole 486 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 11: country doesn't go down that route, and we're no longer 487 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 11: held hostage to these big blue states anymore because Americans 488 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 11: don't want to live there. And if we can cut 489 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 11: off illegal immigrations aret deporting people, I mean, we are 490 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 11: but ramp it up. And if we can sit there 491 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 11: and reduce legal immigration on top of that, we saw it, 492 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 11: we will see massive change to the tune of ten 493 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 11: twelve seats out of blue states into red ten twelve 494 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 11: electoral colleges and it's a whole different ballgame. 495 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 4: It's just a completely the twenty thirties changed. 496 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,679 Speaker 5: Radically, Well, the twenty thirties change. I think there's an 497 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 5: I think there's an argument. Listen, if we look at 498 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 5: what the Democrats are doing in Virginia, they're going full 499 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 5: Marxist in a de D plus sixth state, and we 500 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 5: we can't get Indiana to redistrict. There's a that we 501 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 5: are we are taking a knife to a gunfight, if 502 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 5: you will, And it's I mean, we're just we're still 503 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 5: playing under an old playbook. And I thought we were 504 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 5: past that. I thought, in the ear of Trump, we'd 505 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 5: finally learn our lesson. After twenty twenty four. 506 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 3: We have not. We have not. 507 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 5: And you know so, Ryan, you are the host of 508 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 5: its Numbers Game. You're also you do the nappop dot 509 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,880 Speaker 5: substack dot com. You're also the founder of the seventeen 510 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 5: seventy six Project Pack. You're like one of those people 511 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 5: we bring on the show. And I got to have 512 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 5: all these different like titles ready to get it out. No, No, 513 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 5: you're doing You're doing great work all and so you 514 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 5: are a numbers game guy. Talk about this deep mass 515 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 5: deportations you just said we got to ramp it up. 516 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 3: I agree. 517 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 5: Then you got Axios saying that this is so unpopular. 518 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 5: The Trump administration is looking at it. You got this 519 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 5: story this morning, or this five year old illegal. The 520 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 5: Democrats are spreading all this propaganda. Turns out the data 521 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 5: abandoned him. How popular or unpopular is it, and specifically 522 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,919 Speaker 5: with independence and minorities. 523 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 11: So the New York Times poll that just came out 524 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 11: this morning was terrible for Trump. It was horrible poll 525 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 11: numbers except on two issues, border security and deporting illegal immigrants. 526 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 11: Now they're going to sit there and say, oh, look, 527 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 11: the poll said that ice is unpopular. Yeah, they don't. 528 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 11: People don't like massed agents. They don't like watching families cry. 529 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 4: They don't. People are people like, they have a heart. 530 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 11: However, that doesn't mean that they don't endorse the deportation effort. 531 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 11: It is the most popular issues still when they ask 532 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 11: what is Trump doing right? Deporting illegal immigrants? It was 533 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 11: popular among not only Republicans, but I think it was 534 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 11: plus twelve among independence It was positive among all age 535 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 11: demographics over the age of thirty, so only the very 536 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 11: young were opposed to it. It was very popular among 537 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 11: men I think it was fifty to fifty among women. 538 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 11: It is the issue that people bullet it for Donald 539 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 11: Trump this and there was no like, oh I want 540 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 11: what he'll sit there and do The signs were at 541 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 11: the convention mass deportation now, so overall, yes, when they 542 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 11: see the images on social media, they really don't like them. 543 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 11: It's really given something. They don't like what happened in Minneapolis. However, 544 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 11: they still support doing mass deportations. If Blue states would 545 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 11: get on board with actually allowing prisons to so obliged 546 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 11: by ice detainers and we could deport them straight from prisons, 547 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 11: which Blue states are stopping right now, it would be 548 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 11: a much easier and pragmatic approach. 549 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 4: We can't have that. We should be. 550 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 11: Looking at finding increasing finds against employers at hire illegals. 551 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: That's an easier way to do it. 552 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 11: But the good thing is that the Brookings Institute and 553 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 11: AEI looked at this. We're having a net loss about 554 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 11: one hundred thousand illegal foreign born citizens this year this 555 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 11: year and not citizens but form born residents this year and. 556 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 4: About half a million next year. It is working. 557 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 11: It might be a little painful for the people who 558 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 11: are queasy, but it is working and it's a good thing. 559 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 5: Hey guys, if you've been a faithful Kirk podcast listener 560 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 5: for any amount of time, then you've probably already heard 561 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 5: about strong Cell. It was Charlie's favorite supplement. 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Check it out 583 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 2: right now. 584 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 5: I want to play this clip from JD Vance and 585 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 5: he's talking about we're not going to stop. 586 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 3: We're not going to stop deporting illegals, so get over it. 587 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 3: Four or four. 588 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 12: The far left has decided that the United States of 589 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 12: America shouldn't have a border anymore, and they are willing 590 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 12: to fight and penalize and docks and even assault our 591 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 12: law enforcement officers in order. 592 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: To fight for the basic principle. 593 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 12: That anybody ought to be able to come into the 594 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 12: United States of America. Well, i'll tell you right now, 595 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 12: the Trump administration we reject that we are going to 596 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 12: get illegal criminals out of our country, and we're not going. 597 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: To let a few left wing radical stoppers. 598 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 5: So it seems like the administration is getting the memo here. 599 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 5: Ryan James Gerdowski seventeen seventy six pack. Uh. Blake reads 600 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 5: some of these numbers though on this New York Times 601 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 5: poll because I mean. 602 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: It's interesting to me. So, as you mentioned, he's he's 603 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 1: strongest on the border. But unsurprisingly people are annoyed about 604 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: the Epstein Files thing. But like, for example, he's only 605 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 1: forty one approved fifty three disapprove on Venezuela, which we 606 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: talked to Rich Traveris about that. It's interesting because Latin 607 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: America does overwhelmingly seem to like it, and it seems 608 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: it basically did work whatever he was, what his plan was, 609 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: and you know, we didn't invade, we did whatever war, so. 610 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 3: Why are they unhappy about there? 611 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: Or thirty seven and fifty four on the Israel Palestine 612 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: conflict where it's imperfect, but they actually did get a 613 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 1: ceasefire in that one, which is one of the things 614 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 1: he promised he would get. 615 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: So he's seen as too close to bb Yeah. 616 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: Thirty four negative twenty four, thirty four to fifty eight 617 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: on Russia Ukraine. I guess it hasn't ended the war yet, 618 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: but nothing catastrophic has happened either. 619 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 11: But if you liked it, that because because if you 620 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 11: look at the numbers, right, it's it comes down to 621 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 11: the estancial thing of inflation and cost of living, right. 622 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 11: The only thing that he does worse than the cost 623 00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 11: of living is the Epstein Files and It's kind of 624 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 11: like something one thing is polluted and therefore everything is polluted. 625 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 11: It makes no rhyme or reason. Like on Israel, he 626 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 11: did a great job on Venezuela, everything worked out like 627 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 11: So there's the negative negativity towards the issue cost of 628 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 11: living and the feeling that he is not organized on 629 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 11: the issue of cost of living and that's not a 630 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 11: priority pollutes everything. The one coveyat I will say at 631 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 11: the Times, and I'm not a pole truther, but the 632 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 11: one coveyat I will provide for the Times issue is 633 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 11: when they ask independence, do you lean Republican or Democrats? 634 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 4: Overwhelmingly Democrats. So there could be. 635 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 11: Some maybe a little, maybe a margin of error in 636 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 11: one way or the other. But I think that the 637 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 11: ideas that the priorities are not there. We want to 638 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,959 Speaker 11: really focus a lot on American, on American stuff and 639 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 11: making sure American jobs are coming back, and I think 640 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 11: that that is just creates negativity across the board on everything. 641 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: What is driving the so people say cost of deliving 642 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: affordability is that a vibes based thing. Is there is 643 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 1: something specific they see because I just thought I was 644 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: looking up and I know rental prices in a lot 645 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: of big cities are stagnating or falling, so housing, especially 646 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: for people. 647 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 4: Here's a big part of it. 648 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 11: But also it is one of the worst times when 649 00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 11: to be young and looking for a job in our country. 650 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 11: Like that is just the truth. I don't know whether 651 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:22,719 Speaker 11: it's AI or job is being moved overseas or whatever 652 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 11: the case is. You hear a lot of things from 653 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 11: a lot of different people and you kind of try 654 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 11: to parse through to find the truth. That though, is 655 00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 11: a really big part of it. And the number one 656 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 11: group that is set there and turned on Trump are 657 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 11: young people. It's people under the age of thirty. His 658 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 11: numbers are very stable. For people over the age of thirty, 659 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 11: I mean, they're really not horrendous. There are some numbers 660 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 11: are that could be off, that could be better. However, 661 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 11: the numbers under thirty where you're seeing the biggest u 662 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 11: turn against him. I kind of think in part part 663 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 11: of its vibes and its social media and people getting 664 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 11: outrage over every kind of nonsense there is, and part 665 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 11: of I think is one of the worst times to 666 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 11: be a young person to try. 667 00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 4: To find a job. 668 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 5: I will tell you we had a bunch of turning 669 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 5: points students on the show not too long ago, and 670 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 5: I was struck by how much they kept going and again, 671 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 5: these are conservative kids, all right, Okay, so it's a 672 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 5: selected bias there, but I was struck by how much 673 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,360 Speaker 5: they talked about H one by And listen, I'm H 674 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 5: one B is a actually a small fraction of a 675 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 5: much larger legal. 676 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: Immigration to some extent, but it's what they talk about. 677 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 5: Right, because it's symbolic for them because they feel like, 678 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,919 Speaker 5: you know, yeah, they do have the AI on slot coming. 679 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 5: That's that's that's an entry level job killer. AI is 680 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 5: going to take a lot of analyst jobs. It's going 681 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 5: to take a lot of you know, data jobs. So 682 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 5: they look at H one B as a truly symbolic 683 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 5: problem for their generation going into the workforce. I think 684 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 5: they need to do more on that. I think they 685 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 5: need to do it more on legal immigration because legal 686 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 5: immigration is actually, structurally I think one of the biggest 687 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 5: problems facing the country. 688 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 11: Yeah, and listen, President Trump is going all in on AI. 689 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 11: He's making a real a big bet. He says it's 690 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 11: going to create more jobs than it takes away. Maybe 691 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 11: it doesn't. Maybe we're just in the pain period. 692 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't have a crystal ball. 693 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 11: However, if he is wrong, it is a generational consequence, 694 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 11: like there's I don't know if anyone's out there and said, 695 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 11: mister president, what if you are wrong on this major, 696 00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 11: major thing, and you're looking at a generation where twenty 697 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 11: percent can't find a job. I think that that's a 698 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 11: real conversation that democrats on the left are having. Rocana 699 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 11: is having that conversation. Democrats are saying, what are we 700 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 11: going to do about AI in a real way where 701 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,360 Speaker 11: we redistribute? Well, they're speaking about as a solution towards socialism, 702 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 11: as AI is the gateway to actually get real socialism 703 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 11: in America in a way that we have never felt it. 704 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 11: They think that that's the answer, and I know the 705 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 11: internal polling that they have flagged. 706 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 4: The President says the. 707 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 11: Numbers on AI are not great, like they do most 708 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 11: Americans are worried about it. 709 00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 4: They're not concerned. You are the AI president. 710 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 11: I think that that's something that they should be sitting 711 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 11: there and trying to calculate and say, Okay, what are 712 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 11: you know, what are we doing? 713 00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 5: You know, I saw David Sachs was flagging this over 714 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 5: at Davos, and he was talking about how China has 715 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,480 Speaker 5: you know, the Chinese population is like an eighty percent 716 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 5: positive rate, you know when polled about AI, and in 717 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 5: the United States it's like forty forty one forty three. 718 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: I think the President is right to go for AI 719 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: because it's not even whether AI will create jobs or not, 720 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: it's that AI will exist. And do you want it 721 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: to be in America like or do you want to 722 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: be in China and we lose whatever jobs that takes. 723 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 4: Do you want to regulate it at all? 724 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 11: That's the question, is like pe like like Sachs will say, oh, 725 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 11: we need a federal regulation and then just ask sax Okay, 726 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 11: what's the federal regulation you support and see if he 727 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 11: says anything, because I have yet to see when when 728 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 11: you ask Silicon Valley to police themselves they fail. 729 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 4: Do I mean, we can just go back to a. 730 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 11: Twenty twenty where they were literally on board with every 731 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 11: single far left extreme thing that there was, and then 732 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,719 Speaker 11: Trump was popular in one and now they're all on board. 733 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 11: But they'll leave us again in thirty five seconds. They 734 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,640 Speaker 11: don't care, They have no loyalty. If you ask what 735 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 11: is the thing you're willing to sit there and actually 736 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 11: get hard federal legislation on what is it? And I 737 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,319 Speaker 11: don't just tell me, you know, children, child pornography. Well 738 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,920 Speaker 11: tell me a real concrete thing. 739 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I listen, and I know. There was 740 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 5: a bunch of back and forth on the one big 741 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 5: beautiful bill, and there was that one clause which was gonna, 742 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 5: you know, put off any regulation in the state level 743 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,560 Speaker 5: for ten years or whatever. It made sense because California 744 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 5: was in New York are so large, their economies are 745 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 5: so large that they could basically dictate a patchwork of 746 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 5: woke regulation at the state level on AI and it 747 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,480 Speaker 5: would screw everybody else. So I understood the sentiment. It 748 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,240 Speaker 5: got demonized and villainized. Yeah, twenty sevens. 749 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,399 Speaker 11: But Andrew, but remember Tennessee was what killed that part 750 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:42,800 Speaker 11: of the bill. I know Tennessee. 751 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 4: It was in New York or California. 752 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 11: Texas has AI regulation, Florida has AI regulation. It is 753 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 11: not just the thing is, yeah, we're gonna end up 754 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 11: with patchwork because there's no federal response. Either make a 755 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,120 Speaker 11: federal response and give up something instead of asking Silicon 756 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 11: Valley for advice, up something that the taxpayer the voters want, 757 00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 11: or you're going to see just states continue to do it. 758 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 4: You can't have it both ways. 759 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 5: Ryan here asking really good conversation. We'll have you on 760 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 5: and back again soon. 761 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 9: For more on many of these stories and news you 762 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,360 Speaker 9: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com