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Speaker 1: My name is Charlie Kirk. I run the largest pro

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Speaker 2: I gave my.

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Speaker 1: Life to the Lord in fifth grade, most important decision

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Speaker 3: Here I am Lord, Use me.

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Speaker 1: Buckle up, everybody, Here we go. The Charlie Kirk Show

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Speaker 3: All Right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. It's

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Speaker 3: our first show of the new year. I can't tell

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Speaker 3: come to an end. Joined as always by Blake Neff,

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 4: Thanks Andrew. Great to be with you, and Blake, thank

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Speaker 3: Having Yeah, it's an honor to have you. We thought

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Speaker 3: it was appropriate, you know this your race for governor

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Speaker 3: next That was his project twenty twenty Sex Project twenty

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Speaker 3: one fIF two has you at fifty percent within the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And you know, I tipped my hat to

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Speaker 4: And the polls will do look good.

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Speaker 3: The polls look good. How many you wes just telling

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Speaker 5: I believe it's seventeen and I've led by at least

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Speaker 3: Of course. You know, the big news is that Nicholas

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Speaker 4: Everything is bad.

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Speaker 8: We don't need Venezuela's oil. We have plenty of oil

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Speaker 2: Of the United States.

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Speaker 8: You have to understand why does China need their oil,

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, I think that was a pretty good

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Speaker 5: Right, So the first thing to remember is Maduro was indicted.

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Speaker 5: it's not it shouldn't be viewed as a typical American

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's well said. I mean, the reaction

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Speaker 3: and what do you have a defense of the administration's act?

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Speaker 2: Well, the best, frankly, the best defense is that so

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Speaker 2: far it's worked very well. I think that stands apart

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Speaker 2: They can have a lot of downside, and the upside

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Speaker 2: looks pretty straightforward. They got Maduro out quickly, there were

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Speaker 2: My concern would be, right now, we still don't actually

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Speaker 2: So we either have to threaten them into making concessions

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Speaker 2: at that point you're asking, Okay, are US troops in

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Speaker 2: of the country. How difficult is that? Those are questions

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And a reporter asked the main question congressman here,

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Speaker 3: that is why is running Venezuela America?

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Speaker 9: Mister bredon why is running a country in South America America?

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Speaker 10: First?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it is because we want to surround

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Speaker 3: So that really does become the central question. I think

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Speaker 3: how costly is this going to be from a military standpoint,

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Speaker 3: will they cooperate? Will will that transition happen? Well, we

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 5: And I would just say that nation building is not

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Speaker 5: pre Hugo Chavez, you have, Venezuela was a democratic regime.

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Speaker 5: They had regular, good elections. Even Chavez and Maduro nodded

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Speaker 5: to elections, right, So, so but maybe what we want

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Speaker 3: You're tempting me to go down a rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: Here, Howdy Blake. Here. You know, in moments like this,

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Speaker 3: For the audience that doesn't know Andy, tell us why

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Speaker 5: So I've got a vision for the state of Arizona

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Speaker 5: And so she took down border protections for Pete's sakes.

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Speaker 5: And so we'll restore border protection so we're the safest

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Speaker 4: The country again.

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Speaker 5: But we'll also put the American dream back out there

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Speaker 5: and we won't have sticker prices since that cause shock.

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Speaker 5: We're going to create jobs again. She's taken us down

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Speaker 5: andrew as far as job creation, from the fourth highest

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Speaker 5: She's not doing anything with our education system. She's basically

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Speaker 3: That's shocking. Actually, you know, a lot of the sticker shock.

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Speaker 5: That some of it is that, but that's not The

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Speaker 5: demand is high. But historically we've always met that demand

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Speaker 5: So in the Phoenix metro area in some places you

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Speaker 4: So prices get jacked up.

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Speaker 5: Transport prices because so much has got to be done

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just feels like to your point that a

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Speaker 2: It's an anti it's just kind of hatred of civilization,

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Speaker 4: Of gradual anti human I would say, santi.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, this is a total wild card. But while we're

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Speaker 5: Actually, there is a there is a plan to bring

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Speaker 5: the cartels, and they said, well, we're an Israeli company

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Speaker 2: And okay, that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: That's that's very interesting. But I'll tell you, Blake and Andrew.

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Speaker 5: What people need to understand is even Katie Hobb's own

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Speaker 5: that's about three hundred years supply at growth levels including industry.

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Speaker 5: But it gets again to management and and stopping the

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Speaker 3: M see a Cortes Israel security forces. This is a

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Speaker 4: I see, I see a mini series.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, movies. It's one of the funny things. Israel is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. Yeah, they have a lot of experience

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Speaker 3: and it had to have with Katie Hobbes. They have

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Speaker 3: eighty one to six percent. So why do you think

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Speaker 5: Well, it's hard to comprehend it, except for I think

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Speaker 5: the status quo. They don't really like to see change.

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Speaker 5: They're quite sure what's going to happen. And the reality

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Speaker 5: is we're going to deal with income taxes are InCom

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Speaker 5: We're going to reduce those significantly as the governor. People

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Speaker 3: So we're holding the bag for the last four years

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Speaker 3: But the way you get those prices down or at least,

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Speaker 4: Years exactly right.

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Speaker 3: You see that with that GDP number that came out

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Speaker 5: Well, so I think it's important for them to understand

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Speaker 5: So when I talk about tax policy, or talk about

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Speaker 5: And but it's going to turn around in the in

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Speaker 5: So so we're going to uh make sure that we're

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Speaker 3: So God bless you, sir.

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Speaker 5: Godspeed, Thanks Andrew, Thanks Blake, and I look forward to

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Speaker 3: Well, we got a lot of work ahead of us

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Speaker 3: It was great with Andy Biggs. We're honored to have him.

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Speaker 3: Is have enounced that he is not running first governor

438
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Speaker 3: brought down by a YouTuber and apparently he is very upset.

439
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Speaker 3: This morning held a press conference and we'll get some

440
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Speaker 3: of those clips, but they he didn't take any questions.

441
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Speaker 3: The reporters are very upset that he didn't take questions.

442
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Speaker 3: So that's happening. Obviously, we have the Maduro arraignment. We're

443
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Speaker 3: gonna have David Zierr from Real America's Voice reporting live

444
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Speaker 3: outside the courthouse in Manhattan. We have the un IS

445
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:09,360
Speaker 3: condemning President Trump's oh No, No tack against Venezuela. Yeah,

446
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 3: you have Somalia sort of leading the charge, which is

447
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 3: an irony. Authorities and Liberia was getting in on the action.

448
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 3: Pete Hegseth initiates proceedings to demote US Senator Mark Kelly,

449
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Speaker 3: a retired captain over his seditious six video telling soldiers

450
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Speaker 3: to refuse illegal orders. So all of that is happening

451
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Speaker 3: and more. But I do want to just sort of

452
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Speaker 3: start here blake at at this baseline that this was

453
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Speaker 3: an incredibly impressive precision attack where no US troops were killed.

454
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Speaker 3: We had no military equipment that was lost. One helicopter

455
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: was shot, but it maintained its flyability, and it seemed

456
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Speaker 3: to be just executed at a level that no other

457
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Speaker 3: nation perhaps could even match. China and Russia probably looking

458
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Speaker 3: on going.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's the most that's the immediate,

460
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Speaker 2: most impressive thing you can remember. In twenty twenty two,

461
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: Russia did their attack on Ukraine. They also tried to

462
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Speaker 2: go for not really a kidnapping but a decapitation strike.

463
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Speaker 2: They landed troops in Day, landed troops in Kiev. It

464
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Speaker 2: seemed their belief was and frankly the belief in the

465
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Speaker 2: West also at the time, was that Ukraine would collapse quickly.

466
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Speaker 2: We apparently offered Tavzelenski flee the country, like we thought

467
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Speaker 2: the whole thing would collapse in a matter of days,

468
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Speaker 2: and Russia thought that as well, and it didn't work out.

469
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Speaker 2: And they're more almost four years later, hundreds of thousands dead,

470
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Speaker 2: and that's still ongoing. So by comparison successfully spearing out Maduro,

471
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Speaker 2: it's now coming out that last night, I believe that

472
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Speaker 2: he had this sort of Cuban praetorian guard. Yeah, apparently

473
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Speaker 2: this was apparently thirty plus Cubans were killed in US

474
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Speaker 2: capturing him.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so that is like the interesting part. I mean,

476
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Speaker 3: you had Cuba, Venezuela turned into essentially a playground for

477
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Speaker 3: all the world's worst actors, right China, Iran, Cuba, Russia.

478
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Speaker 3: They were all trying to get access to the mineral

479
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Speaker 3: riches that exist within Venezuela. And it's fascinating to watch

480
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Speaker 3: the left wing reaction to it, where everybody seems to

481
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Speaker 3: be very upset that America is going in, that Trump's

482
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Speaker 3: being honest, that we're going to control We're going to

483
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Speaker 3: the oil fields that were expropriated from American oil companies

484
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Speaker 3: back when Hugo Shavs took over, that we're going to

485
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Speaker 3: take those back, and that we are going to share

486
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Speaker 3: the revenues with the people of Venezuela. But Americans are

487
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Speaker 3: going to get their recompense, so it people are upset

488
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Speaker 3: about that. But I actually I've been thinking about this

489
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Speaker 3: all week and long, and the fact that we are

490
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Speaker 3: asserting dominance in the Western hemisphere. It feels like a

491
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Speaker 3: return to sanity from years of foreign adventurism in Iraq, Afghanistan,

492
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Speaker 3: other places that have been catastrophic, that have been terrible

493
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Speaker 3: for our country, terrible for our coffers, costs us blood

494
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Speaker 3: and soil and lives and so this but this does

495
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Speaker 3: feel different. It's you know, people don't realize how close

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Speaker 3: Venezuela hold on. I mean it's in the Western hemisphere.

497
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Speaker 3: They don't realize how close it is to Miami. It's

498
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Speaker 3: like a two hour flight to Miami from Caracas. And

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Speaker 3: you know, you if Venezuela fell into control of foreign

500
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Speaker 3: agitators like China, which China was there visiting the day

501
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 3: it happened and the day before it happened. So it

502
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Speaker 3: does feel like the then question is how do you

503
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Speaker 3: sell this to the American people when they're struggling to

504
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Speaker 3: afford gas and groceries? Right that that is a fair

505
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Speaker 3: question to ask, and I mean people do need to

506
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Speaker 3: understand that when you control oil resources, mineral resources, energy

507
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Speaker 3: resources within the Western hemisphere, that will ultimately make America,

508
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Speaker 3: say for a more secure place. But the question then becomes,

509
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Speaker 3: we are running Venezuela. That is, or at least in theory,

510
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Speaker 3: we are, and that is gonna that's gonna be a

511
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Speaker 3: tough pill to swallow for the American first craft.

512
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Speaker 2: Well, well again, I think right now the vibe is

513
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Speaker 2: very good, and the vibe is very good because it

514
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,880
Speaker 2: was easy, there were no losses, they got their guy,

515
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: they got out. Everything looks extremely smooth, especially in comparison

516
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Speaker 2: to Russia's own failed military ops, especially compared to our

517
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Speaker 2: failed endeavors in the Middle East. This is clearly better.

518
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Speaker 2: But our endeavors in the Middle East looked better early

519
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 2: on when we took down the Taliban. They crumbled in

520
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: a matter of weeks and we took over the whole country.

521
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Speaker 2: And then it was the following twenty years where everything

522
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Speaker 2: went horribly wrong. And Venezuela it's a big country. It's

523
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Speaker 2: got four I think forty million people. Eight million people

524
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Speaker 2: have left, and so we'll say a known number of people,

525
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Speaker 2: then a lot of people. A lot of it is rainforest,

526
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Speaker 2: a lot of it is mountain, a lot of it

527
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Speaker 2: is urban healthscape, not well controlled. It's not a super

528
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Speaker 2: it's it's not like taking over Japan or something where

529
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Speaker 2: it's a pretty orderly society. It's a chaotic society. It

530
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Speaker 2: has some of the highest murder rates in the world

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Speaker 2: some years, and it will be especially when it's super

532
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Speaker 2: easy early on. You have to worry about that temptation

533
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Speaker 2: to get more invested. Oh, I know, if we put

534
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Speaker 2: two thousand troops here, it'll be okay. If we've had

535
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Speaker 2: a few more, we can get this under control. You're

536
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Speaker 2: going to have to resist that temptation to get too involved,

537
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Speaker 2: either in monetary terms or in military investment terms, and

538
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Speaker 2: so I think we'll have to watch out for that.

539
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Speaker 2: You'll also have to make sure you don't, in my opinion,

540
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Speaker 2: overlearn from how easy it is. So you've seen some takes, Okay, well,

541
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Speaker 2: is Cuban? Next? Is Mexico? Next? Is Colombia? Next? Should

542
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: we just forcibly seize Greenland? I would say, make sure

543
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 2: Venezuela is actually a success before you start looking for

544
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Speaker 2: new things to do. And we were talking during the

545
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Speaker 2: break that after Afghanistan and after the initial Iraq takeover

546
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 2: as well, there was a lot of arrogance that, oh,

547
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: we can remake the Middle East to our will. Max

548
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 2: Boot I think he's still at the Washington Post, but

549
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: he was this neo Khon guy, and you can find

550
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: his essays from that period where he's saying, yeah, we

551
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,959
Speaker 2: could topple Syria, we could topple Iran, we could topple

552
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia. He actually goes a little mad with power

553
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 2: about all the countries that we could take out with

554
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 2: our unlimited military might. I would always say, calm down.

555
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Speaker 2: Remember what is truly America first, and what is most

556
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Speaker 2: America first is not getting us involved in foreign quagmires.

557
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 2: As long as this is not a foreign quagmire, that's great.

558
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 2: It's great if we're able to turn an extremely anti

559
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Speaker 2: American regime in our backyard into a pro American regime

560
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Speaker 2: in our backyard at minimal cost. If it's true that

561
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Speaker 2: this is a fragile regime, you take out the top

562
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 2: guy and you could use your blockade to pressure them

563
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 2: into something much more friendly. That is good, but be

564
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Speaker 2: careful because there will people. There will be people who

565
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Speaker 2: try to sell us on a much bigger involvement, a

566
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Speaker 2: much more expensive intervention, and if we get into that,

567
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Speaker 2: it's harder to get out than it is to get in.

568
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Speaker 2: And that's where you get the potential for negative effects

569
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Speaker 2: for America. And let's be frank, negative effects politically. If

570
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Speaker 2: this is a big win a year from now, it

571
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Speaker 2: helps the Trump administration helps us in the midterms. But

572
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 2: if this is if this has become a conflict where

573
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Speaker 2: US troops are getting killed, where there's no obvious way out,

574
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Speaker 2: then it's going to be bad.

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Speaker 3: Well, to your point, this is what makes I think

576
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Speaker 3: a lot of people nervous. You got Lindsay Graham, we're

577
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Speaker 3: grabbing the clip here. You just wait for Cuba. He says,

578
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Speaker 3: Cuba is a communist dictatorship that's killed priests and nuns.

579
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Speaker 3: They've prayed on their own people. Their days are numbered.

580
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Speaker 3: So now we are talking big talking, big game. Lindsay

581
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Speaker 3: Graham at it again, neocon of neocons, lick his chops

582
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Speaker 3: at another possible invasions. By the way, he's flanked by

583
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Speaker 3: President Trump and Commerce Secretary of Lutnik while he's saying

584
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 3: this in a press gaggle. So that's not a good sign.

585
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: But you know, and you've got President Trump talking about

586
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Speaker 3: Columbia saying he needs to watch his backside to say

587
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: in a nice president Columbia. So there are questions here,

588
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 3: but certainly, and we need to I think it's listen,

589
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 3: it's important to be skeptical because this stuff tends to

590
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 3: spiral out of control. If this can be done in

591
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Speaker 3: a clean way.

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Speaker 12: This.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that I'm encouraged by is the

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Speaker 3: fact that you have the Venezuelan diaspora, whether that's in

595
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Speaker 3: New York City or Florida or Argentina. These people are

596
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Speaker 3: taking to the streets by the tens and tens of

597
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Speaker 3: thousands celebrating the fall of Nicholas Maduro, who was a

598
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Speaker 3: bad guy and who stole the election, who has militarized

599
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Speaker 3: the military, which is against the people of Venezuela. The

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Speaker 3: extreme poverty rate in Venezuela's over fifty percent. Their oil

601
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Speaker 3: production has fallen off a cliff, their inflation has been

602
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Speaker 3: through the roof. People can't afford jobs. They're eating cats

603
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 3: and dogs literally in the street. And so this this

604
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 3: was a dictatorship that held on to power, and as

605
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: Andy Biggs described it, he is a head of a cartel. Essentially,

606
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: it's a thug based sort of boss style mafiosa mafiosa

607
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: tactic to maintain control of the country of Venezuela. It's

608
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Speaker 3: a good thing that Maduro is gone. But what's interesting

609
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Speaker 3: here is that you have all these clips now coming

610
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Speaker 3: out from Democrats who before were talking tough on Venezuela.

611
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Speaker 3: But now that Maduro's gone at the hands of Trump,

612
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Speaker 3: it's suddenly a bad thing. Right, So let's play one p.

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Speaker 3: Fifty four. This is Democrat Chris Murphy doing exactly that.

614
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Speaker 12: In twenty nineteen. You wrote a not beed and you

615
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 12: called for Maduro to be gone. You said, let's get

616
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 12: one thing straight. There should no longer be any debate

617
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Speaker 12: about Maduro's lack of democratic LEI legitimate to see. The

618
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Speaker 12: Trump administration is right to put restoring Venezuelan democracy at

619
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Speaker 12: the center of our approach to this crisis. A return

620
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Speaker 12: to a stable democracy is in the interest of the

621
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Speaker 12: Venezuelan people and the United States and the hemisphere. We

622
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Speaker 12: don't know what's going to happen with regard to the

623
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Speaker 12: civilian leadership there Tom Cotton, which is here saying that

624
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Speaker 12: he hopes that there are democratic elections. Isn't that what

625
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Speaker 12: you want?

626
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Speaker 13: Well, the rest of that article, right, was a criticism

627
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Speaker 13: of President Trump's early moves to saber rattle around regime change.

628
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Speaker 3: And not only that, but in Joe Biden put a

629
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Speaker 3: twenty five million dollar bounty on Nicholas Mduro's head. So

630
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Speaker 3: this is Joe Biden twenty five million dollars, and now

631
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Speaker 3: you have Democrat after Democrat after Democrat that is in it.

632
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Speaker 3: Chuck Schumer is guilty of this, Hakim Jeffreys, Chris Murphy,

633
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Speaker 3: many that are now going back on that saying this

634
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Speaker 3: is bad.

635
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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously they're going to be hypocrites. That's going to be.

636
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Speaker 2: That's just an inevitable with Congress. I feel people you

637
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: though it's less interesting. We should focus, in my opinion,

638
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 2: if it won't matter if Democrats are hypocrites, if this

639
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: is a win for us because the wind will overshadow

640
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Speaker 2: whatever dumb stuff they do, and if this is a

641
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: disaster for us, the fact that they were hypocrites is

642
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 2: definitely not going to bail us out from that. So

643
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Speaker 2: the number one focus always is make sure that this

644
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Speaker 2: intervention is not damaging to America. Make sure we achieve

645
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: the America first goal. That has to be the number

646
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Speaker 2: one focus, not winning any social media fight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see the way this plays out. Certainly,

648
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Speaker 3: hopefully the saner voices prevail and we don't expand this

649
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Speaker 3: too much. But again, I think I agree with what

650
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Speaker 3: something Jonathan Turley actually wrote that whether we set it

651
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Speaker 3: out loud, that we were going to be running Venezuela

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Speaker 3: or not. The truth was we were going to be

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Speaker 3: running Venezuela. After you do a mission like this, you

654
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Speaker 3: got to see it through and you got to make

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Speaker 3: sure the transition happens, which is a big if, which

656
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Speaker 3: just a big if. So we're about to be joined

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Speaker 3: by David Zyr who's outside of the federal courthouse where

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Speaker 3: Nicholas Maduro has just pleaded not guilty, not guilty, saying

659
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Speaker 3: he's a decent man. I mean, regardless of whether you

660
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Speaker 3: support this intervention in Venezuela, regardless of how it plays out,

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Speaker 3: Nicholas Mduro is not a decent man.

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Speaker 2: I'm a decent man.

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Speaker 3: By the way, some of my favorite parts of the

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Speaker 3: videos playing over the weekend was, you know Maduro like saying,

665
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Speaker 3: come at me, now, come now, coward, and and you know,

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Speaker 3: and then he gets you know, they fast. Apparently they shanged.

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Speaker 2: His clothes ten times in a twenty four hour window,

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Speaker 2: like he keeps having a different outfit.

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Speaker 3: One time he's spotted. Oh really, just to kind of

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Speaker 3: I have no idea. It's probably some Cuban uh praetorian

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Speaker 3: guard defense measure that they've.

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Speaker 2: No no this is. This is since we got him,

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Speaker 2: they keep changing his outfit appareently fascinating.

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Speaker 3: Let's just talk about this too. Nicholas Maduro was given

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Speaker 3: multiple off ramps and he foffoed.

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Speaker 9: Nicholas Maduro had his chance, just like Iran had their chance.

677
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 9: Until they didn't, and until he didn't. He left around

678
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Speaker 9: and he found out. President Trump is deadly serious about

679
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Speaker 9: stopping the flow of gangs and violence to our country,

680
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Speaker 9: deadly serious about stopping the flow of drugs and poison

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Speaker 9: to our people, deadly serious about getting back the oil

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Speaker 9: that was stolen from us, and deadly serious about re

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Speaker 9: establishing American deterrence and dominance in the Western hemisphere. This

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Speaker 9: is about the safety, security, freedom, and prosperity of the

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Speaker 9: American people.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is. I think the biggest challenge is going

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Speaker 3: to be communicating why this is good for America. I

688
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 3: think that's going to be I think the American.

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Speaker 2: First challenge, although I don't as long as it remains

690
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Speaker 2: a clear win, that will be easier than it thinks.

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Speaker 2: Like I think, we took out a guy, and we

692
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Speaker 2: did it in one night with a few special forces,

693
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Speaker 2: and we took no losses. Makes it a lot easier

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Speaker 2: to make that sell as long as that remains what

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Speaker 2: has happened, especially if we follow up with a government

696
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Speaker 2: that is friendly to the United States and we can

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Speaker 2: point towards stuff.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be.

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Speaker 2: A harder sell the more there is clear downside to it.

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Speaker 2: So that's why you have to avoid getting in massed,

701
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Speaker 2: you have to avoid getting US servicemen killed, and even

702
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: just the jump from zero to one is going to

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Speaker 2: be very important in that regard. If this is a

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Speaker 2: thing where US soldiers have been killed, that's very different

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Speaker 2: from something where there are no casualties.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. I just think again, you've got the

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Speaker 3: suffordability crisis, You've got a base that is clamoring for

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Speaker 3: us to focus on domestic issues, and here we are again.

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Speaker 3: But this is what I'm saying, is the harder message

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Speaker 3: to sell is that this will have downstream positive impacts

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Speaker 3: on America, and iother.

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Speaker 2: Think I would just not be too arrogant about how

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Speaker 2: much the upside is. Remember George hw Bush won the

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Speaker 2: Gulf War in February of nineteen ninety one. February of

715
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Speaker 2: ninety one, after the midterms, wins a gigantic war against

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Speaker 2: a big enemy, complete beat down. I think he has

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Speaker 2: eighty five percent approval or so at that time, and

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Speaker 2: he loses reelection, loses bad, and he loses it thanks

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Speaker 2: to a recession that it self ended in March nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety one. That's how much economic stuff beats out foreign

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Speaker 2: policy stuff. That victory was just totally forgotten.

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Speaker 3: Well it was also ross Perot stole a lot of

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Speaker 3: his votes.

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, but ross Paro. Why was ross Paro stealing

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Speaker 2: his votes? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Well, fair enough. I mean, I'm just saying if it

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Speaker 3: wasn't been head to head, you know, he would.

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Speaker 2: Have lost worse. You think, so, Yeah, ross Pero took

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Speaker 2: I think more votes from Clinton if anything.

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Speaker 3: Wow, we can argue that another day, but I do

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Speaker 3: think here's here's my basic thought on this. We have

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Speaker 3: to deal with Mexico. If you really want to deal

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Speaker 3: with the fentanyl flowing into the country, it has to

734
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Speaker 3: be you have to deal with Mexico. That's where absolutely

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Speaker 3: the most of it is coming from the pre or

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Speaker 3: just come from China, they go into Mexico. I have

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Speaker 3: a whole theory that we need to threaten Mexico with

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Speaker 3: reversing the Gaston purchase, connecting Arizona to the Sea of Cortes,

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Speaker 3: reclaiming Baja. Yes, this. If they don't, they're gonna fa

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Speaker 3: fo as well. But this is this is way better.

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Speaker 3: This is way better. Blake, don't look at me like that.

742
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Speaker 3: This is way better because this is actually contiguous with

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Speaker 3: the United States, the lower forty eight. We're just gonna ad.

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Speaker 2: Like you just want us to extort Mexico.

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Speaker 3: Yea, if they don't stop the fentanyl coming into our country.

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Speaker 2: I read a history of Mexico a year ago. The

747
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Speaker 2: number one moral I took from it is we should

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Speaker 2: build a one thousand foot wall around all of Mexico

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Speaker 2: and keep it in and just not No one goes in,

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Speaker 2: no one goes out. It's like Escape from New York,

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Speaker 2: except with the whole country.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Baja's pretty beautiful, I will I'm open

753
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: minded to just building a way bigger wall. I would

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Speaker 3: invest in that one thousand feet high Game of Thrones, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean so basically, you know the point is the

756
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Speaker 3: so I guess we have David's there. Let's bring him

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Speaker 3: in really quick. David, can you hear me?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? Got you, loud and clear.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, tell us what you're seeing in Manhattan.

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Speaker 13: Well, we're outside the courthouse, heavy security, Jern's helicopters everywhere.

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Speaker 13: I just walked out of the arraignment about five minutes ago.

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Speaker 13: No cameras or any recording devices were allowed in there,

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Speaker 13: but I did take some notes. And Maduro defiantly pled

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Speaker 13: not guilty, along with his wife Celia Flores, saying that

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Speaker 13: I am an innocent man, I am a good man.

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Speaker 13: And he went on a speech in Spanish. I only

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Speaker 13: understood a little bit of it. He said he's a

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Speaker 13: prisoner of war and he wants to be treated I

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Speaker 13: think according to Geneva Convention in Vienna Accords, but don't

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Speaker 13: quote me exactly on that. But Judge Hellstein cut him

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Speaker 13: off and said there would be plenty of time for

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Speaker 13: such dialogue in the future, that this was just about

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Speaker 13: the arraignment. And the judge asked him if he wanted

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Speaker 13: to request the bell, and he said, I don't want

775
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Speaker 13: to request the ball at this time, and he reserves

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Speaker 13: the right to do that at any point going forward.

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Speaker 13: The defense did say that this was a military abduction,

778
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Speaker 13: and also it didn't look that healthy. The judge didn't

779
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Speaker 13: sound that healthy either. You know, it's a ninety two

780
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Speaker 13: year old Bill Clinton appointee Hellerstein. But you know, the

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Speaker 13: attorneys for Maduro were requesting also medical help for Celia Flores,

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Speaker 13: who may have sustained perhaps what they say is a

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Speaker 13: fracture during the arrest from a few days ago, and

784
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Speaker 13: wanted her to get some treatment. The case will reconvene

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Speaker 13: in sixty days. I believe that date is March sixteenth.

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Speaker 13: And they also discussed his right to consult with his

787
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Speaker 13: counsel because as a foreign person, I think he has

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Speaker 13: the right to consult with the consulate in Venezuela or

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Speaker 13: other And they also talked about in the prosecution agreed.

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Speaker 13: I think because we're not allowed to take money from

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Speaker 13: Venezuela attorneys in the United States, that the prosecution would

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Speaker 13: make an exception. I believe to be able to transfer

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Speaker 13: funds to pay the defense team Vasilia Flores. And what

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Speaker 13: Nicholas Medoro said, he is the rightful president of Venezuela.

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Speaker 10: A lot going on here on the ground lower Manhattan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, David, I'm curious if you've got any insight as

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Speaker 3: to why this case was tried in Manhattan as opposed

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Speaker 3: to perhaps the Southern District of Florida. Do you have

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Speaker 3: any insight onto that.

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Speaker 13: Well, the case, the crux of the case, and I

801
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 13: know Florida District did participate in this under DOJ, but

802
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Speaker 13: this goes all the way back to twenty eleven for

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Speaker 13: the DOJ Southern District, and we had other indictments and

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Speaker 13: a recent conviction of top General Hugo Armando Caraval Barrios,

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Speaker 13: also known as El Poyo, the Chicken who worked for

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Speaker 13: Hugo Chavez. This is a fifteen year old Southern District indictment,

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Speaker 13: and he said he's been working that Barrio has been

808
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Speaker 13: working with the cartel since nineteen ninety nine in a conspiracy.

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Speaker 13: I think has said ing is coming up next week.

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Speaker 13: Here he pled guilty to the same charges as Maduro

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Speaker 13: and he's facing life in prison.

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Speaker 10: And I was thinking maybe he sang like a canary.

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Speaker 10: I don't know that.

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Speaker 13: But the indictments, all four indictments including narco terror as

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Speaker 13: a conspiracy, alleging a twenty five year partnership with FARK,

816
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Speaker 13: the Revolutionary on Forces in Columbia, weapons chargers, corruption and violence, kidnappings, murder,

817
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Speaker 13: and to protect trafficking ops. All those indictments he did

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Speaker 13: plead not guilty too, as well as Celia Flores, who

819
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Speaker 13: also said that she was an innocent She's innocent one

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Speaker 13: hundred percent in this case.

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Speaker 10: So a lot more to.

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Speaker 13: Come, and I think maybe there will be an application

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Speaker 13: to move the trial to Florida.

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Speaker 10: I'm not sure if that's doable or.

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Speaker 3: Not right, So it's a sort of a legacy of

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Speaker 3: when the indictments against Maduro started. It sounds like probably

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Speaker 3: in twenty eleven. They were filed in the Southern District

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Speaker 3: of New York, so keeping with the league and the

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Speaker 3: indictments that were previously issued, that makes sense. David Zier,

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Speaker 3: thank you for the reporting on the ground in the

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Speaker 3: federal courthouse where Nicholas Maduro has been a reigned and

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Speaker 3: pleaded not guilty. David Zyr, thanks so much.

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Speaker 10: Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 11: can trust, go to Charliekirk dot com.