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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. I'm Hugh Hewett in Relief Factor Studio

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Speaker 1: West on this Monday, which is a grim Monday, let's

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Speaker 1: face it, another tragedy in Minnesota. I sat on Special

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Speaker 1: Report on Thursday night. Minnesota is an open carry and

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Speaker 1: a concealed carry state. I was very worried about something

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Speaker 1: just like has happened, a second death. But I don't

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Speaker 1: have an opinion on it because I've been around law

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Speaker 1: enforcement long enough to know, and I have covered everything

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Speaker 1: from Rodney King to this latest police involved or law

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Speaker 1: enforcement involved shooting to know. I don't know, and nobody knows,

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Speaker 1: and we won't know until very skilled investigators review every

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Speaker 1: frame of every to decide what that sequence of less

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Speaker 1: than ten seconds involved. I would like Minnesota to begin

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Speaker 1: cooperating with ICE.

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Speaker 2: I would like.

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Speaker 1: Better explanations of the caution that they're going to be

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Speaker 1: observed in the investigation to make sure that it's fair.

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Speaker 1: We do not like police involve shooting, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they like some of the least law enforcement. They hate them,

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Speaker 1: but they investigate them fairly and fully. And I have

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Speaker 1: been covering such incidents since Rodney King in LA in

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Speaker 1: the nineties. And you just don't know anything. I don't

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Speaker 1: care what your opinion is. You don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Nobody knows, and it will be a while to tell anyone.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, the officers involved, the last thing on their mind

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Speaker 1: was killing that man. All right. That's what I can

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Speaker 1: tell you right now. But I have seen the reports

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Speaker 1: and I have put them on my ex account. You

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Speaker 1: hear it from the Fox Digital team. There is a

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Speaker 1: group operating of anarchists and leftists and radicals. And I

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Speaker 1: don't know if the victim on.

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Speaker 1: I just know that they're there and they're operating, and

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Speaker 1: I hope the Bureau brings the bricks down on him

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Speaker 1: because I can remember the SDS a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: on Junior High, when they're blowing up buildings. It's a

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Speaker 1: very real problem. And there aren't any problems where the

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Speaker 1: Left doesn't decide to make them with ice.

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Speaker 2: There just isn't.

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Speaker 1: And when you don't have a Jacob Fry or a

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Speaker 2: But now the flare has gone up.

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Speaker 1: We've had two deaths, ten thousand arrests of criminals, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the President is going to council US on. Nothing

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Speaker 2: I want to go to the biggest story of all,

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Speaker 2: which is Iran.

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Speaker 1: Trey Inks at Fox News brought us a couple of

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Speaker 1: updates earlier today.

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Speaker 4: Cut Number one intention remains high. A crawl the Middle

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Speaker 4: The US Air Force announced new drills this week in

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Speaker 4: countries like Jordan and Qatar. A US official tells Fox

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Speaker 4: News the USS Abraham Lincoln Aircraft Carrier Strike Group has

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Speaker 1: On station would mean and I'm a civilian. I don't

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Speaker 2: So a lot of firepower, it's got to be close enough.

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Speaker 1: Don't know that if they're within range yet, or if

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Speaker 4: As the drums of war beat, we are learning new

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Speaker 1: I think that's great that we're getting more information, but

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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll ever know entirely how many people

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Speaker 1: I heard someone describe it as the worst massacre of

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Speaker 2: There are many in Iran order or.

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Speaker 1: Defined wounded people who are smart enough not to go

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Speaker 1: It is, in my opinion, not something the United States

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Speaker 1: We are the major force opposing the alliance of tyrants.

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Speaker 1: And when one of them does something like this, and

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Speaker 1: And I think the President will I don't know when.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't have to act fast.

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Speaker 1: If his Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, General Kaine, says

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Speaker 1: And if you take out carg Island and all the

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Speaker 1: to the United States deterrent that Donald Trump rebuilt himself

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Speaker 1: with Operation Midnight Hammer and Operation Absolute Resolve after the

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Speaker 6: On one more foreign policy point, I will point out,

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Speaker 6: as you all saw, the last remaining body of the

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Speaker 6: hostages in Israeli hostages and Gaza has been returned. This

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Speaker 6: for the whole world. The President made the impossible possible.

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Speaker 6: And so it's great news for the President, for the

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Speaker 6: United States, for our allies, and also for peace in

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Speaker 6: the Middle East. And I understand that more than twenty

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Speaker 6: new additional countries have also signed up to join the

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Speaker 1: The biggest story in the world for the next fifty

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Speaker 1: years is the restructuring in the Middle East under Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: It began in his first term with the Abraham Accords

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Speaker 1: And Justin Trudeau was a clown. But Mark Carneig crops

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Speaker 1: I have a very healthy presence on X and I

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Speaker 2: So hey, good.

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Speaker 1: Not an apology, not an alliance backpedaling but not yet

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Speaker 1: by Michael Worn, former ambassador from Israel to the United States.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Orrin is the go to guy on things in Israel,

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Speaker 1: and I want to begin by saying, I think everyone

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the emotional reaction is in Israel,

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Speaker 10: Look is the first time in two and a half

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Speaker 10: And I don't know folks ever going to take it

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Speaker 5: And I must say our feelings are divided.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's turn to that. I'm going to benham Ben.

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Speaker 1: Talib Blue for the last hour of today's program talking

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Speaker 10: Okay, one of three things going to happen in the

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Speaker 5: God forbid. Secondly, does Israel join.

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Speaker 10: And from my sources in Israel tell me that thisel

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Speaker 5: The cut of deal, which is sort of Venezuela like.

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Speaker 5: The regime will will survive, but it won't be the same.

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Speaker 10: Regime will not be antied Western, will be pro Western,

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Speaker 1: Now you have founded the Israel Advocacy Group, and the

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Speaker 1: Israel Advocacy Group studies things from the perspective of the

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Speaker 2: So you have to get in a first punch.

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Speaker 10: Jews around the world, not justice, really blowing up synagogues

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Speaker 10: and Jewish community centers in South America, example, in Argentina.

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Speaker 5: That's just one example.

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Speaker 10: Precipitating wars, and Iran was behind October seventh.

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Speaker 5: It trained and funded Hambus and his Bola.

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Speaker 10: We don't have to look for a reason to go

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Speaker 10: to war against Iran, but it would help if Iran

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Speaker 10: would do is you know Harry Derry Harry used to say,

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Speaker 10: and I know you know what I mean, go ahead, pull.

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Speaker 5: The trigger and make my day.

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Speaker 10: And all we need is one missile fired and we'll

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Speaker 10: take it down and we'll respond.

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Speaker 5: And we have to prepare that.

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Speaker 10: We have to prepare for the fact that it won't

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Speaker 10: be just Iran firing ballistic missiles at us. We assume

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Speaker 10: that they have about one thousand, five hundred of these

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Speaker 10: very large ballistic missiles. They carry between two hundred and

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Speaker 10: fifty pounds of TNT. It knocks down not just a building,

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Speaker 10: but a neighborhood, and we were going to have to

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Speaker 10: get to those rocket let launchers as soon as possible.

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Speaker 10: But we'll also be targeted by the hoodies once again,

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Speaker 10: maybe by his Bulah, by the Syrian and Iraqi pro

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Speaker 10: Iranian militias in Iraq and Syrias. So we have to

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Speaker 10: be prepared for that type of combat again. And I

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Speaker 10: think that Israel now will be prepared to deliver a

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Speaker 10: knockout blow doctor.

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Speaker 1: And I heard over the weekend that Turkey has supplied

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Speaker 1: Syria's new regime with air defenses that were not there

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Speaker 1: in June of last year. Does Israel still have a

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Speaker 1: clear sky all the way to Iran if it needs it?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 10: Yes, I do it does it does listen, the Russians

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Speaker 10: were there, We had a clear sky, and the Russians

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Speaker 10: seemingly or purportedly the most advanced anti aircraft systems in

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Speaker 10: the world, the S three hundred, because they know if

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Speaker 10: they fire our planes, we're going to fire back. And

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Speaker 10: it destroyed those systems and then go try to sell

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Speaker 10: them to people around the world.

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Speaker 5: So I don't think Turkey's going to risk that. Even

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Speaker 5: if they have moved.

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Speaker 10: Those anti aircraft systems into Syria, they're not going to

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Speaker 10: fire at our plans.

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Speaker 1: And is there a preparation that if this goes off?

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Speaker 1: I think it has to happen or President Trump will

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Speaker 1: have dented the deterrency rebuilt if it does go off,

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Speaker 1: and I expected that well at some point before the

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Speaker 1: middle of March.

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Speaker 2: What's the high end?

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Speaker 1: I mean, those are a lot of missiles with a

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Speaker 1: lot of tant on them. Do people have any idea

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Speaker 1: what's coming at Israel?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they do, certainly, because we had it. We had

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Speaker 5: not a dry run. We had we had it.

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Speaker 10: We had a dress rehearsal in June last year and

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Speaker 10: I was under fire from those rockets.

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Speaker 5: It was unpleasant.

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Speaker 10: You know, we have we have bomb shelters in our

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Speaker 10: houses that can stand a hit by a h Bubble

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Speaker 10: rocket or a Hamas rocket. But the rockets that iman

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Speaker 10: fire us were killing people in those safe rooms, very

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Speaker 10: very powerful explosives. So we have to brace ourselves for

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Speaker 10: that and uh and listen to people of Israel as

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Speaker 10: you know, we're indomitable, we're strong, uh, and we will

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Speaker 10: do this.

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Speaker 5: This is an opportunity that comes about.

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Speaker 10: I can say, maybe I want to say a sentry,

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Speaker 10: but I almost want to say a millennium that to

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Speaker 10: free the Jewish state from a from an enemy that

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Speaker 10: seeks our destruction, not our defeat. You know, it's extremely

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Speaker 10: rare in history for one side in a conflict to

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Speaker 10: seek to destroy entirely other side. You know, our parents

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Speaker 10: fought against Germany and Japan. They didn't want to destroy

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Speaker 10: Germany advantas changed their government. It's extremely rare, and this

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Speaker 10: is our chance to be free of it.

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Speaker 1: Ambassador Michael Arrn, founder of the Israel Advocacy Group, thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining me. Follow him on exit d R

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Speaker 1: Michael Lauren, doctor Michael Orn, come back. I'll be right

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Speaker 1: back on the KO Huge Show. Those have you been

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Speaker 1: with me since I started this program in July two

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Speaker 1: thousand and no. I spent a year at the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice with William French Smith and Ed Meese before

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Speaker 1: going to the White House Council's office, and I used

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Speaker 1: to hurry past the Anti Trust Division. I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to go near it because abandoned hope all ye who

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Speaker 1: enter there. I had done the AT and T connection

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Speaker 1: case for the d C Circuit judges that I was

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Speaker 1: clerking for, and I just didn't like anti trust. I

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Speaker 1: took it, and for some reason, they're still alive. And

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Speaker 1: I have invited Dan Wall, the Live Nation executive vice president,

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Speaker 1: joined me because one of the dumbest anti trust actions

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Speaker 1: that Joe Biden filed was against Live Nation, and I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to explain to people and to have Dan

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Speaker 1: joined me to do it, why it's so dumb to

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Speaker 1: go after successful companies.

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Speaker 2: Dan, nice to meet you. I want to make it.

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Speaker 1: Clear you're not my sponsor, you're not my client. I

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Speaker 1: have never done any business for Live Nation. I've always

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Speaker 1: paid full freight for when I go for my Brown

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Speaker 1: season tickets and for my concerts and baseball games. But

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Speaker 1: I don't like the government suing you. How did this

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Speaker 1: get started?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, Hugh.

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Speaker 11: And first of all, it's the first thing I've learned

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Speaker 11: is that we were both in the same building at

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Speaker 11: the Justice.

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Speaker 3: Department at the same time.

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Speaker 11: Oh so I was actually one of the lawyers that

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Speaker 11: was prosecuting the anti trust case against AT and t Oh.

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Speaker 2: I ran past you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I was afraid I had would come out and grab

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Speaker 1: the special assistant and drag me in there.

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Speaker 2: I never get out.

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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, it took a while to get out. But

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Speaker 11: thanks for bringing this up, because it is a very

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Speaker 11: unusual anti trust case.

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Speaker 2: I've got to say, as.

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Speaker 11: Somebody who practiced the anti trust law since nineteen eighty,

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Speaker 11: the Biden and Minute stration suite of anti trust cases

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Speaker 11: were all pretty crazy, but this one, in particular, I

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Speaker 11: think was really largely a political stunt. It is not

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Speaker 11: a case that was ever going to do anything for

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Speaker 11: fans to lower the price of any ticket, lower the

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Speaker 11: price of any fee, get them more shows, increase the quality,

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Speaker 11: anything like that. But it was conceived as a way

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Speaker 11: to perhaps reach out to the swifties and do something

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Speaker 11: that would be politically popular given the Biden sort of

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Speaker 11: ethic that we saw, where anti trust became fundamentally anti corporate.

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Speaker 11: It wasn't about protecting the competitive process. It was about

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Speaker 11: going after big corporations because big corporations were seen as

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Speaker 11: a problem in themselves. And if that's what you're starting with,

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Speaker 11: you're probably going to end up with a poor case.

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Speaker 11: And that's what they've ended up with.

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Speaker 1: Well, Dan explain to people. Let's first give them the data.

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Speaker 1: Live Nation is the largest live entertainment company in the world,

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Speaker 1: and they put on events all over the place. They

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Speaker 1: manage tickets and they manage ticket master. They're good for

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Speaker 1: fans who want to go to game. They revolutionize the industry.

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Speaker 1: And so that's why I like it. Because I'm a

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Speaker 1: Brown season ticket holder. If I want to dump my

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Speaker 1: tickets because I can't go, I can sell them on

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Speaker 1: Live Nation and through a ticket master.

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Speaker 2: And it's the market. It's just the market.

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Speaker 1: What doesn't the Biden administry and who's why is the

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Speaker 1: Trump administration continuing a Biden administration pr stunt.

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Speaker 11: I'm not quite sure what the answer is to the

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Speaker 11: second question, but you have to remember that the Biden

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Speaker 11: administration was unique and that they were the one anti

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Speaker 11: trust administration we've had in decades that decided that there

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Speaker 11: are Holy of holies, the consumer welfare standard was wrong,

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Speaker 11: and that it didn't need to be followed and you

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Speaker 11: didn't actually need to show harm to the consumer in

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Speaker 11: order to bring anti trust case. They had this amorphous

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Speaker 11: concept that they called the competitive process, which when you

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Speaker 11: looked at it seemed to be is this hurting your competitors?

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Speaker 11: And if it is, then maybe it's an anti trust violation.

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Speaker 11: But ever since Ronald Reagan became president, we haven't thought

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Speaker 11: that way. And both Democratic and Republican presidents.

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Speaker 5: Followed suit with that.

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Speaker 11: We had one of these rare areas of bipartisan consensus,

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Speaker 11: but they blew it up. They just completely blew it up.

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Speaker 11: And then here we are. We're now at the endgame

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Speaker 11: of this case, and there are weeks away from possibly

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Speaker 11: having to try a case that is exceptionally weak.

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Speaker 2: So fill us in a little bit on the details.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of lawyers listening, and in fact that

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Speaker 1: I got a buddy in town who was with Drinker

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Speaker 1: forever as our managing partner, and we were talking about

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Speaker 1: anti trust and I will talk more about anti trust

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Speaker 1: with him. Where do you go to trial on this

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Speaker 1: and who's representing you? Which firm is representing you at trial.

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Speaker 11: The case will be tried in New York City, and

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Speaker 11: we are represented primarily by Latham and Watkins, but also

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Speaker 11: by carass winning.

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Speaker 2: More bring in the Marines and the special services. Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's good.

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Speaker 11: You cannot even imagine how many lawyers are working on

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Speaker 11: this queue for both sides, particularly because there's a number

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Speaker 11: of states that are playing us as well, and the

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Speaker 11: cumulative lawyer load is astonishing. But let me just ask

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Speaker 11: to kind of give you the big picture here, so

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Speaker 11: you have to begin with it. This is a monopolization case.

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Speaker 11: The Jonathan Canada rhetoric when he filed it was this

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Speaker 11: is a company that had mutual reinforcing monopolies, and so

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Speaker 11: it is quite something that here we are at the

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Speaker 11: end and the case is on the brink of being

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Speaker 11: dismissed because the government cannot prove any of the monopolies.

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Speaker 11: The reason it can't is because if you actually say ticketing,

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Speaker 11: where people assume that Ticketmaster is a monopoly, but if

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Speaker 11: you actually think about all of the big accounts, the

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Speaker 11: stadiums and the arenas and the big theaters and amphitheaters,

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Speaker 11: that Ticketmaster and its rivals go after its market share

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Speaker 11: is Acture actually under fifty percent, And that's not my number,

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Speaker 11: that's the number of the government's expert when you count

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Speaker 11: all of the business. So what they're trying to do

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Speaker 11: instead is not count all the business. They've cherry picked

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Speaker 11: a market of essentially our best customers, the part of

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Speaker 11: the market that seems to like us, the most odd

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Speaker 11: place to put a monopolization case, and they're saying we

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Speaker 11: have a high market share of that.

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Speaker 2: We're going to find out if that works.

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Speaker 11: We had a hearing on Friday and the judge, I

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Speaker 11: think it's fair to say, was skeptical of it. But

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Speaker 11: he is a very studious judge. He's going to think

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Speaker 11: about it very hard and we'll see if they can

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Speaker 11: even get past this threshold about monopoly power.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always believed if they do.

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Speaker 1: When I took an I trust the University of Michigan

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Speaker 1: on a thousand years ago, the rule was, and it

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Speaker 1: was one of the experts had the case, but was

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Speaker 1: if you had a good case, you wanted a smart

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Speaker 1: judge and anti trust and Lena Khan and the whole

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Speaker 1: gang that rolled in. They were trying to change the world.

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Speaker 1: Their Cape Crusader is in an imaginary world of anti

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Speaker 1: try that never existed and shouldn't exist. Have you got

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Speaker 1: a smart Well, you can't say he's not a smart judge.

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Speaker 1: But is your judge experience with anti trust?

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Speaker 2: Oh he is.

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Speaker 11: He's actually a former Supreme Court clerk. He's is extremely smart.

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Speaker 11: Oh good, So.

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Speaker 3: We are blessed with a with a smart judge. That's

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Speaker 3: for sure.

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Speaker 1: Now, now let me ask because people think it's oh

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Speaker 1: so they're getting serted.

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Speaker 2: It's not a big deal.

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Speaker 1: There are bad impacts from bad anti trust. So the

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Speaker 1: at and t after effects went on for years when

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Speaker 1: I was on the DC circuit connection fees thing, all

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Speaker 1: that stuff. There is a downside for the consumer ensuing

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Speaker 1: Live Nation. Would you explain it to people?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 11: Sure, I mean, I think the probably the biggest thing

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Speaker 11: there is is that the stated object of this entire

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Speaker 11: enterprise is to try to break up Live Nation and Ticketmaster.

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Speaker 11: We came together by a merger that went through the

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Speaker 11: government review process in two thousand and nine twenty ten.

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Speaker 11: The merger has been a great success for consumers, largely

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Speaker 11: because it put Ticketmaster, the ticketing company, under the control

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Speaker 11: and under the incentives of an artist focused concert promoter.

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Speaker 11: Where the entire incentive system of the company is to

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Speaker 11: try to put on as many shows as possible, sell

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Speaker 11: as many tickets as possible, get as many people out

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Speaker 11: to those shows as possible, and do it all efficiently.

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Speaker 11: Now the government wants to break that up, and why

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Speaker 11: because of this fundamentally anti corporate bent that was part

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Speaker 11: of the Biden administration. All of these big anti trust

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Speaker 11: cases that they brought were against vertically integrated companies.

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Speaker 2: They hated vertical integration.

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Speaker 11: They actually revived merger guidelines about vertical mergers that nobody

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Speaker 11: had taken very seriously for many, many years. So it

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Speaker 11: really is a sort of structural objection to the way

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Speaker 11: that a lot of large companies are organized.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: There is not a personal attack on anyone at Justice.

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Speaker 1: It's an observation, this is just business. The Anti Trust

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Speaker 1: Division should have been shuttered a long time ago, given

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Speaker 1: comp the rise of the new competitive order brought about

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Speaker 1: by the kind of the Internet of things. Do you

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Speaker 1: think it just is the momentum of a lawsuit going forward,

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Speaker 1: and career lawyers at DJ you know, they got a

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Speaker 1: ball to play with, like a cat and a kitten

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Speaker 1: with a ball of yarn.

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Speaker 11: Oh I think it's always the case that that once

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Speaker 11: something starts within any government organization, there's there's sort of

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Speaker 11: this bureaucratic momentum that keeps it going. But you all

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Speaker 11: push back with you a little bit there on the

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Speaker 11: question of whether we need any trust lause. I think

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Speaker 11: we need them for a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of things.

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Speaker 11: But what most Republican administrations, for sure, have always been

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Speaker 11: careful to remember is that it has to be used

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Speaker 11: very sparingly as a scalpel. It is not a tool

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Speaker 11: for restructuring the world in some image that you prefer.

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Speaker 11: It's not nation building, it's not social engineering. And this case,

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Speaker 11: the way the Biden administration conceived it was all of that.

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Speaker 1: And well, I hope you I hope you get SJA,

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Speaker 1: and then it goes up very quickly to the Second

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Speaker 1: Circuit because I would love for DJ to get guidance

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Speaker 1: on abandoning the anti corporate slant.

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Speaker 2: Would you hope for that?

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Speaker 1: Obviously the government will appeal it if you get SJA,

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Speaker 1: But would you argue that this is the the ideal

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Speaker 1: time to get that set in stone out of the

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Speaker 1: Second Circuit or or the.

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Speaker 11: Supreme Court if necessary. One thing, I'm an anti trust

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Speaker 11: professor as well, and and what we got from the

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Speaker 11: Biden administration was so aberant that there was actually a

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Speaker 11: lot of discussion among professors as to whether we should

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Speaker 11: even teach it. There's not even a chance that it

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Speaker 11: would be accepted by a majority of today's Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: Just so, so Leatan and the cap crusaders of the

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Speaker 1: Biden era, they can't be far enough away from power soon, Orenough,

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Speaker 1: Dan Wall, good luck this week and next, and I'll

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Speaker 1: check back in because it's actually one of those cases

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Speaker 1: that Kusha's American consumers they all know live nation, and

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Speaker 1: they all applied having easy access to the venues they

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Speaker 1: want to go to and finding out pricing that's transparent

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Speaker 1: and obvious.

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Speaker 2: Dan Well, thank you very much. Coming right back with

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Speaker 2: Senator Tom Cotton, America's.

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Speaker 12: Big Jeff, Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Just sent a text to a mutual friend of Senator

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Speaker 1: Tom Cotton and Republican of Arkansas, John Hinderacker, who one

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Speaker 1: of the guys at power Line, and I said to him,

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Speaker 1: Senator that I don't have anything to say about Minnesota

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Speaker 1: except the last thing law enforcement wants. As a law

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Speaker 1: enforcement officer, involves shooting, and that I don't know what happened,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it will be completely investigated, but it

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Speaker 1: sure would be good if Governor Walls and Mayor Fry

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Speaker 1: worked with the federal government pursued of the supremacy clause.

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Speaker 2: You got anything to add to that, thank you.

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Speaker 13: I think it's all very well said. The deaths of

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Speaker 13: Renee Good and Alex Preddy or regrettable tragedies, but they

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Speaker 13: were avoidable as well and could have been avoided, And

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Speaker 13: such incidents can be avoided in the future if state

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Speaker 13: and local officials will simply cooperate with federal law enforcement

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Speaker 13: or at least not actively obstruct them and encourage civilians

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Speaker 13: to interfere as well. We've had ICE and Homeland Security

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Speaker 13: investigation arrests in Arkansas. They've had many, many more in

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Speaker 13: Texas and Georgia and Florida than what's occurred in Minnesota.

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Speaker 13: None of those have been in the news because you

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Speaker 13: don't have state and local officials in those states agitating

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Speaker 13: against ICE. So I was pleased to see the president

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Speaker 13: days that he had a constructive call with Tim Waltz.

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Speaker 13: Hopefully that means that Minnesota officials again start cooperating or

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Speaker 13: at least not actively obstructing and encouraging civilians to interfere

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Speaker 13: with and harassed federal law enforcement officers.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for that, Senator, and we will see

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Speaker 1: now coming out next our I have from the Foundation

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Speaker 1: for the Defensive Democrat say Ben and Ben Talablue, their

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Speaker 1: senior fellow and head of their Iranian program, there talking

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Speaker 1: about what appears to me to be an imminent collision

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Speaker 1: between the United States and Iran. If such a kind

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Speaker 1: of strike is ordered by the President. What do you

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Speaker 1: think the objective it of it ought to be?

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Speaker 2: Senator?

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Speaker 13: If you first off, I want to be clear that

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Speaker 13: I'm not prejudging or saying anything like that might happen.

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Speaker 3: I think the.

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Speaker 13: World widely knows the position of our aircraft heres, and

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Speaker 13: one is getting a lot closer to the Persian Gulf

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Speaker 13: that the Gulf of Oman than it once was. But

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Speaker 13: I think the objectives of US policy right now, in

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Speaker 13: this moment, given the massive protests and the massacres of

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Speaker 13: this protester, should be one anything that can help the

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Speaker 13: protesters and reduce the violence against them, Anything that can

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Speaker 13: put more pressures on the iotel was and that's not

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Speaker 13: just for instance, military action. We can ramp up our

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Speaker 13: enforcement of sanctions. Ron has already been suffering badly from

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Speaker 13: increased sanctions enforcement over the last year. We can do more.

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Speaker 13: You've seen us interdict the so called ghost vessels coming

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Speaker 13: out of Venezuela. France interdicted one from Russia just last week.

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Speaker 13: With Venezuela. Now, and let's say more compliant hands, if

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Speaker 13: not necessarily friendly hands, we can put more of those

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Speaker 13: ass perhaps against Iran's black market oil exports. So we

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Speaker 13: still have many options that will allow us to keep

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Speaker 13: the pressure on the Eyotilus.

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Speaker 1: Now, Senator I have been emphasizing to everyone it's not

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Speaker 1: a risk free thing. The Lincoln is a target. There

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Speaker 1: are five thousand sails on that. The Iranians are not

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Speaker 1: without capabilities that are enormous. But do you fear has

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Speaker 1: the law inside of the United States or another Iranian

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Speaker 1: BacT operative acting after any kinetic activity.

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Speaker 13: Well, Hugh, I think we need to be mindful that

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Speaker 13: has belaved in a cat's aw Iran for decades, and

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Speaker 13: they've had an active policy of trying to infiltrate with

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Speaker 13: They've carried out terrorist attacks outside of Iran in the

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Speaker 13: Middle East, and that's one reason why Maduro was so

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Speaker 13: uniquely dangerous in Latin America. It wasn't just drug trafficking

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Speaker 13: with the arms.

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Speaker 5: Of the government.

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Speaker 13: He was inviting Hesbelah and Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps into

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Speaker 13: our backyard. I know the administration is being mindful that

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Speaker 13: Department of Justice and Homeland Security about threats inside of

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Speaker 13: the United States, irrespective of whether or not there might

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Speaker 13: be additional military actions soon against Iran, something they take

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Speaker 13: care seriously and work against every day.

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Speaker 2: Now, Senator, I want to switch to Canada.

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Speaker 1: Of all things, to go from Iran to Canada is

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Speaker 1: quite the neck turn. But Prime Minister at Carney went

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Speaker 1: to China and announced an alliance with the Chinese Communist Party,

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Speaker 1: which just stunned me. Then he went to Davos and

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Speaker 1: basically insulted the President and the United States for fifteen

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Speaker 1: minutes by putting us in a category with China as

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Speaker 1: a hedge him on and ignoring. And I know one

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight Canadians died in Afghanistan, where you served.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if they were in a rock

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Speaker 2: or not.

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Speaker 1: I know they were our ally in the Korean War,

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Speaker 1: and they are friends, and we are friendly with Canada.

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Speaker 1: But what did you make of the Carnei Davos speech

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Speaker 1: and his announcement of an quote alliance with China.

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Speaker 13: Well, if you like you, I don't have a lot

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Speaker 13: of time for Mark Carney sucking up the Chinese communists

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Speaker 13: and then ridiculing and insulting the United States and our president.

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Speaker 13: It's fine. Look, every nation has a right to pursue

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Speaker 13: its interests, and if Mark Varney and Canadians disagree with this,

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Speaker 13: that or the other United States policy, is fine to

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Speaker 13: post that. I think it's more constructive to have a

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Speaker 13: frank and candid conversation directly with the President or with

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Speaker 13: Secretary Rubio. Then you go in grandstand and peacock in Davos.

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Speaker 13: But what's truly appalling is having done that, as you said,

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Speaker 13: just days after sucking up to the Chinese communist dictator

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Speaker 13: xizhen Ping and acting if somehow I mean it's China

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Speaker 13: is more closely aligned with Canada than the United States.

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Speaker 13: So again, it's fine for any foreign leader, foreign country

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Speaker 13: to be opposed to this at or the other American policy,

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Speaker 13: but to suck up the Jujien Ping while you peacock

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Speaker 13: at Davos, I think is repellent.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am more exercised about this than I am

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Speaker 1: when evil doers do evil things because they're supposed to

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Speaker 1: be our friends.

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Speaker 2: They are our friends. Most Canadians are our friends.

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Speaker 1: And my daughter in law's at Canadian American for goodness sake,

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Speaker 1: and our whole family are my good friends. And I

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Speaker 1: just think, what in the world he went to Davos

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Speaker 1: and preached human rights after shaking the very bloody hand

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Speaker 1: of vision Ping, the wigger genocide, the Hong Kong repression,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy lives in jail, Taiwan is threatened. How it was

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Speaker 1: like a banker's Teddy Bear picnic in Davos. I hope

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Speaker 1: you never go.

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Speaker 13: Well, I've never been, yes you. I'm glad that actually

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Speaker 13: that President Trump has gone now a couple of times

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Speaker 13: at least explained exactly to all of those eureaucrats why

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Speaker 13: the United States is the way we are and what

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Speaker 13: course of action we're taking. I do think there's more

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Speaker 13: than a small dose of domestic politics in Canada with

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Speaker 13: Mark Karney. As you suggested, Mark Karney is not a

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Speaker 13: career politician. He's a longtime banker. He kind of stumbled

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Speaker 13: backwards into the premiership after Justin Trudeau ran aground. And

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Speaker 13: I think he've used this as good domestic politics for him,

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Speaker 13: and that his base of voters, which kind of like

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Speaker 13: the far left in America, is more sympathetic and supportive

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Speaker 13: of a communist dictator in China than there are Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: And the last question, Senator Collins, your colleague, chairman of

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Speaker 1: the Appropriations committeche o, a woman of appropriation, got all

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 2: Done or ready to go?

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Speaker 1: Do you expect the Senate we'll keep the government open

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Speaker 1: by passing these appropriation bills?

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Speaker 13: Well, certainly, hope so kee you. And that was the

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Speaker 13: expectation until two or three days ago during the recent

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Speaker 13: shooting in Minnesota. Now the Democrats are saying they're going

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Speaker 13: to shut down not just ice H, but FEMA and

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Speaker 13: TSA after a major winter storm and other departments like

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Speaker 13: the Department of Defense and the Transportation Department because they

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Speaker 13: do not want to arrest the port criminal illegal aliens.

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Speaker 13: That doesn't seem to me to be attenable position to you,

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Speaker 13: And even Patty Murray, the senior Democratic counterpart to Susan

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Speaker 13: Collins on the Appropriations Committee, said just a few days ago.

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Speaker 13: If we shut down the government, it won't do anything

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Speaker 13: to stop what Ice is doing in Minnesota. She acknowledged

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Speaker 13: that the action of shutting down the government would not

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Speaker 13: stop anything that they're condemning right now, Yet apparently they

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Speaker 13: may do so anyway.

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Speaker 3: I hope not. Well.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer is not the right at fault in the

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Speaker 1: light of the Senate. Senator Tom Cotton, always a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: To have you on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Senator, good luck this week, and I'll be

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Speaker 1: right back and mat to stake.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, America. I'm j Hewittt.

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Speaker 1: Today is the first day since twenty fourteen that in

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Speaker 1: Israeli hostage has not been held in Gaza, living or dead.

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Speaker 1: There has been a hostage in Gaza since twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: I'm joined by Bethany Mandel, who has been throughout the

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Speaker 1: last two and a half years always on a voice

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Speaker 1: for the hostages and their families and their loved ones.

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Speaker 1: And Bethany having done that much with those families. How

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Speaker 1: does today feel?

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Speaker 14: It feels like October eighth? It finally feels like October eighth.

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Speaker 14: In a lot of ways, it has felt like Americans

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Speaker 14: and you know, Israelis and Jews and anyone with a

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Speaker 14: conscience has been holding their breath waiting for a closure,

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Speaker 14: and we I think we finally got it today.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if you worked with the ron

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Speaker 1: Gavilli family at all. I think he was murdered on

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Speaker 1: October seventh, right, and then they took the body. It

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Speaker 1: just underscores what a ghastly group of people Hamas Terras are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Absolutely so. He was taken out actually from a It

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Speaker 14: was an incredible story. He was a police officer and

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Speaker 14: he heard what was going on, and he was waiting

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Speaker 14: on a surgery for his broken shoulder, and he ran

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Speaker 14: and threw on his uniform and grabbed his gun. And

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Speaker 14: his father said, what are you doing. You can't use

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Speaker 14: your shoulder, and he said, well, I have another one,

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Speaker 14: and I have a gun. And he ran down and

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Speaker 14: he saved people and protected people in kibuts al Amme

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Speaker 14: and was killed in the line of duty and his

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Speaker 14: body was captured.

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Speaker 1: Now there are imprompture gatherings across the Jewish state today

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Speaker 1: marking the fact it's not only his return, but it's

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Speaker 1: been twelve years since Amos didn't have a hostage living

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Speaker 1: or dead. Doesn't that tell us everything? We need to

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Speaker 1: know about Iran because they're the ones who fund.

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Speaker 5: The moss Yeah.

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Speaker 14: No, absolutely, I mean it's truly ghastly and for so

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Speaker 14: many years people had forgotten about the plight of two

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Speaker 14: hostages that were being held there, and they were held

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Speaker 14: there for over ten years and they were living and

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Speaker 14: they were returned in one of the more recent hostage deals.

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Speaker 14: But it's really an incredible day, and it feels it

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Speaker 14: feels a closure for that family. I know that this

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Speaker 14: isn't you know, the ending that they wanted or deserved.

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Speaker 14: But they deserved an ending and they got it today.

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you make What is the reaction in

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Speaker 1: Israel to the massacre of thirty thousand people?

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Speaker 2: It should be around the world. This regime is as

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Speaker 2: evil as anyone.

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Speaker 1: Could have imagined. That's my reaction. What is the reaction

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Speaker 1: in Israel.

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Speaker 11: I?

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Speaker 14: You know, Israelis are horrified and frustrated that the world,

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Speaker 14: you know, was screaming about these these numbers that were

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Speaker 14: fed to you know, fed to the world by Hamas.

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Speaker 14: Everyone took those as gospel, but are silent on this

954
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Speaker 14: massacre that there's far more evidence of. And you know,

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Speaker 14: there it is possible for the Iranian people to overthrow

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Speaker 14: this regime. But eyes have to stay on them and

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Speaker 14: they have to feel like the world has their back.

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Speaker 14: And I don't think that they necessarily should feel that

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Speaker 14: way right now, and they deserve to.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what President Trump is thinking, that's part

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Speaker 1: of his strategic deterrent, but we will find out.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: Betan A, You're a normal, ordinary marilynd mom of six,

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Speaker 1: and your opinion matters a lot on what you see

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota and how you're reacting to it.

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Speaker 2: So tell me what that is.

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Speaker 14: So I think I'm pretty normal in a lot of ways,

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Speaker 14: but I pay more attention than ninety nine percent of

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Speaker 14: people because you know, sometimes I'm on Hugh Hewitt Show

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Speaker 14: and he asked me questions like this, and I have

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Speaker 14: to be prepared. If I if I were a normal

972
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Speaker 14: mom looking at Instagram, I would be horrified. I would

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Speaker 14: think that there is just its open season on American

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Speaker 14: citizens and on you know, upright immigrants in places like Minnesota.

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Speaker 14: But because I'm paying more than a little bit of attention,

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Speaker 14: I know that the officials in Minnesota, Tim Walls and

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Speaker 14: James Frye, the mayor, are fomenting a lot of unrest,

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Speaker 14: and they've basically martyred to people at the point, Renee

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Speaker 14: Good and the man that was shot yesterday, and I'm

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Speaker 14: not prepared enough to remember his name, but they they're

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Speaker 14: fomenting a lot of unrest there because they want the

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Speaker 14: conclusion to be that ICE pulls out and that they've

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Speaker 14: they've won. And Tim Wallas is doing that to distract

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Speaker 14: from the all of the fraud that happened in his

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Speaker 14: state that led him to withdraw from the governor's race.

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Speaker 14: I truly do not understand what the Trump administration is

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Speaker 14: doing here. They're losing a pr battle in a bloodbath.

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Speaker 1: Now, the law enforcement community, they're the last community on

989
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Speaker 1: earth that launts an officer involved shooting. I don't know

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Speaker 1: that they've been well represented in the media.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they have been?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 14: No, no, absolutely not. I have friends whose whose husbands

994
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Speaker 14: are law enforcement, and they're ripping their hair out. This

995
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Speaker 14: is such a hard job. These officers have been put

996
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Speaker 14: in such a difficult position. One of the most underreported

997
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Speaker 14: things about this entire situation is how organized these people are.

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Speaker 14: They have a database of suspected ICE vehicles and a

999
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Speaker 14: lot of them are journalists. Actually, they're riding around in

1000
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Speaker 14: black cars that look like ice and they're reporting that

1001
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Speaker 14: they're being followed, that they're being harassed. It is just

1002
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Speaker 14: a real, real chaos bubbling under the surface all the time.

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Speaker 14: And honestly, it's a miracle that it's only resulted in

1004
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 14: two deaths. But this is ultimately what democrats want. They

1005
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Speaker 14: want people to martyr themselves for this cause.

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Speaker 2: Radical democrats.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to paint Josh Shapiro with that brush,

1008
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: but I do think Tim Wallas and Jacob Fry have

1009
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,399
Speaker 1: a lot to have to answer for here. My last

1010
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: question is do you retreat if you're President Trump. Do

1011
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: you order the troops out and the ice out and

1012
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: hope it all calms down or can you afford to

1013
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,359
Speaker 1: do that? Because that is a victory for radicals who

1014
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 1: are organized and are operating to interfere with and create

1015
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: these kinds of incidents. The hard left in this country

1016
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Speaker 1: is back like it was with the SDS, And I

1017
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Speaker 1: don't know that you can retreat now. I was all

1018
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: in favor of declaring victory and going home last week.

1019
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 1: Now I don't know that they can.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, no, they I mean they need to stop with

1021
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 14: the rhetoric of you know, the people that were killed

1022
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 14: were domestic terrorists and all that stuff that needs to stop.

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Speaker 14: They need to have really clear, coherent, empathetic messaging, but

1024
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 14: also very clear messaging. And Christy Nooham needs to stop talking.

1025
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 14: Stephen Miller needs to stop talking. Even Jade Vance honestly

1026
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 14: needs to stop talking. We need President Trump to stand

1027
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 14: up their front and center and say, these are the

1028
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 14: people we're arresting. This is how we're trying to do

1029
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 14: these arrests, and this is how they're trying to stymy us.

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Speaker 14: This is how they're obstructing federal law enforcement, and it's

1031
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 14: illegal and it needs to stop. I think they cannot

1032
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 14: pull out because then this sends a message that if

1033
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 14: you get enough unfortunate, empathetic people to martyr themselves, then

1034
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 14: you've achieved a victory against President Trump. That is a

1035
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Speaker 14: very dangerous president.

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Speaker 2: Do you think I know I can recover because she

1037
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Speaker 2: has been awful?

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Speaker 5: Yes, truly awful.

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Speaker 14: When you see people like Eric Erickson and Dana Lash

1040
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Speaker 14: and Cam Edwards, who like all these folks, our Second

1041
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Speaker 14: Amendment people, when they come out forcefully and by the way,

1042
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Speaker 14: this is the difference between our side and their side

1043
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Speaker 14: we're able to have, you know, an honest conversation about

1044
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 14: you know, good tactics and bad tactics, and we're able

1045
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 14: to go after quote unquote our own side. And the

1046
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Speaker 14: statements that people were making in the wake of this

1047
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Speaker 14: that it was a justified shooting because he was in

1048
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Speaker 14: possession of a legal firearm is wild to me.

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Speaker 1: It is It is really dumb, really really dumb, And

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Speaker 1: I don't understand how anyone can say that, especially after

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Speaker 2: The Second Amendment. Bethany, thank you. I'll be right back

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Speaker 2: in America.

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Speaker 1: Eating Grace America. I'm Hugh Hewett on this Monday. As

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Speaker 1: I've said throughout the show today, I think we're on

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Speaker 1: the brink of a strike on Iran. But I don't

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Speaker 12: Not to worry.

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Speaker 3: Great to be with you, Hugh, Yes, great, close.

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Speaker 2: But we got time.

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota and appropriately so, but not enough people are

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Speaker 1: following with great specificity what is transpired in the aftermath

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Speaker 1: of a massacre that is really without precedent in post.

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Speaker 2: War World War two? Do you agree with me on

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Speaker 2: that it's bigger than Tenneman Square. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the reported estimates we keep getting keep growing. Now,

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Speaker 3: thirty to thirty six thousand is a reported estimate, Yes,

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Speaker 3: in terms of confirmed people, places, names, faces, it's about

1101
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Speaker 3: five to six thousand, depending on the human rights organization

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Speaker 3: you choose. But those human rights organizations are steadily and

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00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 3: busily looking from seventeen to nineteen thousand other cases right now.

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Speaker 3: So if you again take a bottom of the barrel

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Speaker 3: assessment here, it's twenty to thirty thousand plus. And again

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Speaker 3: this is not just yours truly, as a member of

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00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 3: the running Diaspa, saying this, this is CBS News, this

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00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 3: is Iran International, this is Time magazine, this is you know,

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00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: Times of London. Everyone is coming to the same conclusion

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Speaker 3: because they're looking at the same internal sources.

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00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 1: And I'm going to come back and establish why people

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00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:43,279
Speaker 1: should listen very closely to you after I get the

1113
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Speaker 1: quick update. Are executions underway despite Donald Trump's red.

1114
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 3: Line if you look at what's going on in Persian

1115
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: language social media, yes, indeed. And yet you don't have

1116
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 3: to take it from me. You can take it from

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00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,080
Speaker 3: Iranian officials, including someone from the Juiciary who mocked actually

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Speaker 3: President Trump for believing that Someone who also similarly mocked

1119
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 3: President Trump for believing that there was a stay of

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Speaker 3: execution or a pause of executions, or even just a

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Speaker 3: kind of an about face on the repression altogether, was

1122
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Speaker 3: a former advisor to the Supreme Leader, mister Larry Johnny.

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Speaker 3: These guys are like their brothers or the Kennedy family

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Speaker 3: brothers popularly called in Iran, and this brother, Mohammed Jabad

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Speaker 3: Larry Johnny, in a recent Persian language talk show, had

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Speaker 3: actually mocked again the President for believing that there were

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00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 3: these pauses or stays of execution given.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is why I want the audience to understand.

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Speaker 1: The reason I think a strike as emminent is because

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00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: the Iranian officials have been taunting President Trump. Half of

1131
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: them have been, including the Tallahamani and his sort of thugs,

1132
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: and then the other half of the Iranian regime tries

1133
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: to talk nice to us through mister whitcough. And we'll

1134
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: talk with Ben him about that in a moment. But

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Speaker 1: let's start by establishing who you are. It's the first

1136
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: time on the show, so I've got to ask you.

1137
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: Was Aldres a communist?

1138
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 2: By Ben?

1139
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 3: First time caller, longtime listener. I'm a big fan of

1140
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 3: Nixon history at Paraphernalia, so I do believe he was.

1141
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,440
Speaker 2: And have you read The Looming Tower?

1142
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Speaker 3: I have, Actually this is a controversial point in the Office.

1143
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 3: I have actually only skimmed the Looming Tower and stayed

1144
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 3: away from the documentaries because with some of other colleagues

1145
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 3: there's a line I'm infamous for given that I focus

1146
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 3: on Iran and the acts of resistance in the Office,

1147
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: which is sometimes I find sunny terrorism not as interesting

1148
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: as well.

1149
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: That was actually I understand it completely because give.

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00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: Me for I er as well.

1151
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Speaker 1: So I mean nine to eleven hits from home very hard,

1152
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I actually am very glad you made the

1153
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: key distinction. Al Qaeda is Sunni, what Hobbist extremism Islamist fanaticism,

1154
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 1: and what's going on in Iran is the Shia fanaticism.

1155
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: And so tell us your background on Iran a bahm

1156
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 1: show the audience can understand you are not talking out

1157
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: of your hat.

1158
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: Well, I try not to anyway. But I'm a first

1159
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 3: generation in Iranian American born and raised in the United

1160
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 3: States to two immigrant parents. On my mother's side, her

1161
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 3: father was a political prisoner at the heyday of the revolution.

1162
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 3: He was a reporter under the previous government, taken to

1163
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 3: Evin Prison. Thankfully he got out, but after he got out,

1164
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: the whole family fled. And I wouldn't say that cast

1165
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:32,840
Speaker 3: an overcast through a shadow over my future in my career.

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Speaker 3: But I was interested growing up as a first generation

1167
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: Irannian American about these issues, seeing that the Iran I

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00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: knew at home and with family and with friends being

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Speaker 3: drastically different than the Iran I saw in the nineties

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Speaker 3: and two thousands, and again in the heyday of the

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Speaker 3: global War on Terror at Post nine to eleven Middle East.

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Speaker 3: But about nineteen years I've spent in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: All working on open source stuff, and thirteen years at

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Speaker 3: the Foundation for Defensive Democracies where I've been intimately involved

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Speaker 3: in their Iran program, and i'm the your director of

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01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 3: their Iran program now, where I oversee the breath and

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Speaker 3: depth of a lot of their work on Iran. And

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Speaker 3: I've had the privilege over these thirteen years to be

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Speaker 3: invited to four different continents to brief media, government, military,

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Speaker 3: academic audiences around the world on the Iran issue.

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Speaker 1: So I only try and bring on people who are serious,

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Speaker 1: mister Ostovar. Richard Goldberg is on tomorrow your calling. Mark

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01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: Debowitz has been on this program, Clifford, May. I try

1184
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Speaker 1: and bring on people, but that know what they're speaking about.

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Speaker 1: I got to ask you, though, I've been listening to

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Speaker 1: the book King of Kings by Scott Anderson. How do

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Speaker 1: you write it as a history of nineteen seventy eight,

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Speaker 1: seventy nine and the immediate thereafter.

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Speaker 3: Well, I eagerly bought it because you know, history is

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Speaker 3: kind of what animates us in the policy space. If

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01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: we don't know history we're not going to know what

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Speaker 3: we're talking about today. I recommend buying book. I have

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01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,520
Speaker 3: some major proems with the way the book goes through

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01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 3: the lives of certain individuals, particularly some folks at the

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Speaker 3: State Department at the time. It kind of uses their

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Speaker 3: personal story to tell a story of the Iranian Revolution.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's always the best prism to tell

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Speaker 3: history through. I think if you're doing history as biography,

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Speaker 3: you're better off focusing on the biographies of people in

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Speaker 3: the Middle East because they've really made and reshaped their states.

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01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 3: Focusing on a bureaucrat at the State Department to understand

1202
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:31,720
Speaker 3: something as seismic as the Iranian Revolution is not always

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01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 3: the best tool. So I think it's an important book

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Speaker 3: to have. It is certainly, by no means the only

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Speaker 3: book to have on that revolution. I would recommend two

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Speaker 3: good books on twentieth century Iran, The Last Jaw by

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Speaker 3: ray Takia, as well as of course Days of God

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Speaker 3: by James Buckan.

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01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: Right, what do you make of Vanguard of the Immam

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Speaker 2: by mister Ostovar.

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Speaker 3: I've actually done a book review of Vanguard of Piemam.

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Speaker 3: It's actually the nicest, best synthesis of the IRGC, which

1213
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:05,640
Speaker 3: is the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps out there from the

1214
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 3: academic world that in terms of the policy world. You know,

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01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 3: there are some people that I know and respect and

1216
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 3: work with that have talked about the Guard core this

1217
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: kind of tip of the revolutionary sphere of the Islamic

1218
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 3: Republic as being able to create a military dictatorship overnight.

1219
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:22,480
Speaker 3: And then there's some people who talk about it purely

1220
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: within the Islamic or Islamist lens. Allso far does a

1221
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 3: nice balance in between. So Vanguard of the mom is

1222
01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 3: a good book if you want to understand the origins

1223
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Speaker 3: and the evolution of the IRGC.

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Speaker 1: Now, I have been following a few people very closely. Kareamside,

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Speaker 1: You're poor who I'm honored to know. I'm sure you

1226
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Speaker 1: respect his work and he's at Carnegie. Am I right

1227
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Speaker 1: that you respect current?

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Speaker 5: Absolutely?

1229
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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: And I have been following you and Mark Dubovich and

1231
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: other people. I don't know what to trust when people

1232
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,880
Speaker 1: say here's Persian language media and I'm translating it for you,

1233
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: because you can't believe everything. Have you seen a lot

1234
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: of misinformation on the web in the recent weeks, Well.

1235
01:03:05,160 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: It depends a great deal of what you're looking at.

1236
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 3: There is a lot of narrative based misinformation. You know,

1237
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 3: Iran's octagenarian Supreme Leader, so called Supreme Leader, as President

1238
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,120
Speaker 3: Trump likes to say, believes that sometimes more important than

1239
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 3: the kinetic war is winning the narrative war. You know,

1240
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 3: these are people who actually believe what they're talking about,

1241
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 3: and they're trying to make you believe what they're talking

1242
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: about as well. So they have spent considerable time effort,

1243
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 3: to tention money, to try to sew discord on social media,

1244
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 3: to try to sow discord within the Iranian opposition, to

1245
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:38,720
Speaker 3: try to sow discord everywhere. And you know, you don't

1246
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 3: have to take that just for me. You can even

1247
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 3: look at the way the Bided administrations Director of National

1248
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 3: Intelligence talked about the way they even try to penetrate

1249
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 3: and even fund and fuel many of the pro Palestine

1250
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: protests here. So you are precisely right to talk about

1251
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 3: the challenge and the kaleidoscope of the information environment and

1252
01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 3: to make it even harder to understand. And not only

1253
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: is this regime putting out disinformation and misinformation, calling Iranian

1254
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 3: protesters who are unarmed terrorists, saying people who were killed

1255
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 3: were actually a regime loyalists and forcing their families into

1256
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 3: forced confessions and all of this other atrocious stuff that

1257
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 3: has really turned the street against the state for many

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Speaker 3: years now inside Iran. But then they also have this

1259
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 3: two plus week internet blackout for fear of having been

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01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 3: seen as transgressing Trump's redline on this crackdown.

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Speaker 1: So Ben, have you at the Foundation or a group

1262
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 1: of people put forward for journalists like me who want

1263
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 1: to follow credible experts, a comprehensive list of people that

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01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: they I try and do it occasion. I'm always mentioning

1265
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 1: you and Mark and Kareem and Richard and Yashar, who

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01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,160
Speaker 1: I disagree with, but I think he does a good

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01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: job reporting on Iran. We have one minute. Have I

1268
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 1: missed somebody other than I've cliver heard? May of course,

1269
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,680
Speaker 1: But have I missed anyone I should be following? Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: I think you hit some of the greats as an

1271
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 3: honor to be included among them. I personally don't believe

1272
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 3: it's my view as a think tanker in Washington to

1273
01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 3: you know, name some and not name others. But I

1274
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 3: think you know folks who are in the media space

1275
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 3: like you, who have found credible and reliable voices. When

1276
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 3: you amplify it a we're grateful and be the American

1277
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 3: people are grateful, So you know, kudos to you for

1278
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:18,960
Speaker 3: doing that.

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Speaker 1: When we come back from break, I'm going to ask

1280
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: Betam to walk us through the situation as he understands it.

1281
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:28,520
Speaker 1: Monday mid day drive time inside the Beltway, a snowed

1282
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: in Beltway, but from all the sources I see inside

1283
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:34,520
Speaker 1: the United States and from Israel, which I trust on

1284
01:05:34,560 --> 01:05:37,280
Speaker 1: this file, people like I meet Segal and not ave

1285
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: y'all and others will get his take on where we

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01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: are on this Monday. Stay tuned at the QQUS show

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: Welcome Back in America. I'm Qqwitt Ben Ben Talablue is

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01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:56,840
Speaker 1: an Iranian, first generation of Iranian American and an expert

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01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:01,280
Speaker 1: on the Islamic Republic of Iran. Benam is joining me

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01:06:01,400 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 1: for the most of this hour, not in the last

1291
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:05,680
Speaker 1: three minutes when we transition to Larry Elder, but most

1292
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: of this hour in order to talk about where we are.

1293
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: So I want to give you the floor the nine

1294
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: minute segment. Madam, where are we right now in your

1295
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: estimate and what do you see happening in the hour,

1296
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: days weeks ahead.

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Speaker 3: We're at a critical juncture, not just in the long battle,

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01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 3: the forty seven year battle between the street and the

1299
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,840
Speaker 3: state inside Iran, but we're also at a critical juncture

1300
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:32,960
Speaker 3: in US Iran relations. Never has military force been threatened

1301
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 3: so overtly and credibly, I might add in this way.

1302
01:06:36,280 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 3: So I think right now we're at the countdown to

1303
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 3: a highly likely strike, overt kinetic strike by the Trump

1304
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 3: administration against the Islamic Republic of Iran, with many questions

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Speaker 3: lingering about the targets, about the relationship between the strike

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Speaker 3: and protests, about how to counter the regime's potential retaliation,

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Speaker 3: and perhaps most importantly, how a strike politically and from

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Speaker 3: a policy perspective feed into what the President had already

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Speaker 3: wanted to achieve with respect to Iran.

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Speaker 2: So there are a lot of options on the table.

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Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of people talk about impediments in

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Speaker 1: the Israeli media. They mentioned that Turkey has reinstalled radar

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Speaker 1: in Damascus, which may be an impediment to the IDF

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Speaker 1: working with us. That might not matter to our stealth

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Speaker 1: fighters coming off the Lincoln or from the air bases.

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Speaker 1: What is your assessment of the Israeli American coordination level,

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Speaker 1: and whether or not an American strike would be joint

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Speaker 1: or prior to Israeli strike.

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Speaker 3: It's actually an excellent question because if past is prologue,

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Speaker 3: the coordination that exists not just at the military level,

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Speaker 3: but at the political and intelligence level between Israel and

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Speaker 3: the United States, and in particular between the Trump administration

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Speaker 3: and the net Yahoo government in Israel is quite extensive.

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Speaker 3: I mean quite literally. They were able to dupe and

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Speaker 3: bake and bob and weave over the past a few

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Speaker 3: more in twenty twenty five prior to the Twelve Day War,

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Speaker 3: with many credible journalists and experts left guessing as to

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Speaker 3: the different sides of the Iran issue of these two

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Speaker 3: countries and administrations came down on only to see that

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Speaker 3: they were singing from the same sheet of music once

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Speaker 3: the actual kinetic activity started with the Twelve Day War.

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Speaker 3: So ultimately, I actually think there's a lot more that

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Speaker 3: is going on behind the scenes. I think in terms

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Speaker 3: of order, you raise a very interesting question, is it

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Speaker 3: America first than Israel, or is it Israel first in America?

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Speaker 3: And in terms of the targeting, if there is going

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Speaker 3: to be something kinetic and again it highly looks like that.

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Speaker 3: Will there be a division of labor? You know, last time,

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Speaker 3: the Israelis cleared the way for America to have a

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Speaker 3: powerful strike against the nuclear program. This time, of course,

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Speaker 3: you have to worry about how can you suppress the

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Speaker 3: regime's lethal ballistic missile force, anti access area denal capabilities

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Speaker 3: while being able to hold the political and security elite

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Speaker 3: responsible for the crackdown against the States. So one wonders,

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Speaker 3: right now, is there a division of labor? And if

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Speaker 3: passes prologue, I highly think there is.

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Speaker 1: Benam I've asked everyone about this. There are only three

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Speaker 1: export oil exporting terminals in Iran. One is on carg Island.

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Speaker 1: There are two other ones adjacent.

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Speaker 2: That is the lifeblood of the IRGC.

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Speaker 1: That is the currency upon which their terror network operates

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Speaker 1: and they pay their people, even it's hard currency through

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Speaker 1: shadow companies.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we hit them if we go in?

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Speaker 3: So I think thus far the US has been a

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Speaker 3: bit reticent to escalate in moss against energy. One reason

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Speaker 3: has been energy prices. The other reason has been the

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Speaker 3: Runians might go full force against GCC energy infrastructure, which

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Speaker 3: again it passes prolog to the regime.

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Speaker 2: That would be the golf Coordinating Council.

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Speaker 1: You know, five dollars in the tip jar that i'd

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Speaker 1: be a rule of the huge wit show that former

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Speaker 1: Congressman Mike Gallagher will preak no acronyms without explanation active.

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's a golf coordinating.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So it's America's Arab partners on the other side

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Speaker 3: of Persian Gulf, places where we have a lot of bases.

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Speaker 3: But you remember in twenty nineteen there was a drone

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Speaker 3: and cruise missile attack by the regime against Saudi oil facilities.

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Speaker 3: It's assumed that it could engage in a much larger,

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Speaker 3: much wider operation. Really from the mid Obama period twenty

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Speaker 3: ten twenty twelve, when there was the talk of oil

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Speaker 3: sanctions being floated in Washington and then enforced over time,

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Speaker 3: Iran had talked about responding in kind against energy infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: So you know, there's a desire not to spook or

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Speaker 3: provoke the Islamic Republic into doing that. But then again,

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Speaker 3: at this point in time, when the regime is so weak,

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Speaker 3: when the regime basically has no air defenses, when it's

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Speaker 3: come up short against American and Israeli conventional military capability

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01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,160
Speaker 3: when its nuclear program is down, when its proxies have

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Speaker 3: been neutered. The question is if Iran does respond to

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Speaker 3: a US attack against Caig Island, for example, just hypothetically,

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Speaker 3: it would be leading with its chin because it would

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Speaker 3: literally try to attack civilian infrastructure on the other side

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Speaker 3: of the Persian Gulf and so bring Uncle Sammy in

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01:11:01,520 --> 01:11:04,679
Speaker 3: a much much bigger way. So potentially the Islamic Republic

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Speaker 3: is threatening damage that it can't win an escalation spiral

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Speaker 3: with respect to So those are options that remain on

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Speaker 3: the table. I don't think the US might start with that,

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Speaker 3: but those are options that remain on the table, and

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Speaker 3: perhaps the US would credibly wield that as a tool

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Speaker 3: to get commin A to take this punishment or even

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Speaker 3: decapitate the Comedy led government there as a way to

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Speaker 3: bargain against responding.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to be overconfident, but I was in

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Speaker 1: the Reagan administration when Operation Praying Man has happened and

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Speaker 1: President Reagan ordered half or two thirds of the Iranian

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Speaker 1: navy sunk and it was and they didn't put a

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Speaker 1: glob on US. I don't recall that they did. Maybe

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Speaker 1: they did have one destroyer strike I'm not really worried

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Speaker 1: if we go all in about their ability other than

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Speaker 1: for Israel. I mean, they could fuse all lot Israel

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Speaker 1: with every launcher they've got left and try and overwhelm

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Speaker 1: Iron Dome. What is your greatest concern? Because the oil

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01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,519
Speaker 1: mine think it keeps that regime alive. There's no way

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Speaker 1: it survives three years without the oil money.

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Speaker 3: Precisely, going after a higher island and Asta Luyah would

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Speaker 3: basically be a death blowt to the regime's economy, and

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Speaker 3: there would be expediting the taking time bomb that is

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Speaker 3: already the poor economy of the Islamic Republic. That being said,

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Speaker 3: I think there have been updated plans. If I had

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01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:26,839
Speaker 3: to guess from the Department of War now with respect

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01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 3: to Operation pragmant is how not just to go after

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01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 3: the conventional running navy, but the much more smaller and

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Speaker 3: more greatly dispersed Islamic Revolutionary Guard Core navy, which uses

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Speaker 3: fast attack craft, underwater drones, anti ship cruise missiles. So

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Speaker 3: the US hasn't the opportunity to defeat this if it

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01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,880
Speaker 3: operates from range, if it is willing to take a

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01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:47,640
Speaker 3: few hits and then land a few major blows. But

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Speaker 3: ultimately I think you're right when it comes to the

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01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 3: balance that have passed this prologue. If the US chooses

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Speaker 3: to come in a big way, it can actually decisively

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Speaker 3: tip the balance and newter the forces in the golf.

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Speaker 3: It could be messier now, however, which gets me to

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Speaker 3: what my fear is for your question. The regime will

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Speaker 3: be able to land blows against critical energy infrastructure or

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Speaker 3: the American bases, given the distance, and given that the

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Speaker 3: Islamic Revolutionary Guard core now compared to the nineteen eighties

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Speaker 3: as precision strike short range ballistic missiles, many of which

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Speaker 3: were not used actually in either the Twelve Day War

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Speaker 3: or the April and October military exchanges between Iran and Israel.

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Speaker 3: So the threat is the precision strike threat across the

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Speaker 3: Persian Gulf. And second, of course American basing in infrastructure,

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Speaker 3: so not just energy and civilian targets there, but basing

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Speaker 3: an infrastructure. And third, exactly what you mentioned, which is

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Speaker 3: resuming their medium range ballistic missile strikes against Israel, hoping

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Speaker 3: to puncture through Israel's layered air and missile defenses.

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Speaker 1: When we come back from break, I will ask Madam

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Speaker 1: whether or not in his assessment, the IRGC poses a

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01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 1: threat to the Lincoln or any of its strike group

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01:13:58,720 --> 01:14:02,640
Speaker 1: escorts or other American naval assets, and what kind of

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01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: threat it poses to our airmen and cutter and our

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01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:10,479
Speaker 1: other facilities among the golf allies that we have. And

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01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: to MBZ, there's been our staunch's strongest ally other than

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01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: Israel for many many years in the Middle East, and

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Speaker 1: MBS who's the up and coming dominant power in the region.

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Speaker 1: I'll ask him that after the break, don't go anywhere,

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Speaker 1: stay tuned.

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Speaker 2: At the Gutuit Show. Welcome back to America. I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: My guest from the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies

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Speaker 1: is that foundation's head of the Iran program there, Benham,

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01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:43,479
Speaker 1: Ben Taliblue, who you can follow the real Ben him,

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01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: Ben on X, and I will be reposting that in

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01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 1: this interview over at YouTube my YouTube channel if you

1454
01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: want to send it to your friends. Benham, based on

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01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:58,120
Speaker 1: your extensive contacts, give me what you believe is the

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01:14:58,160 --> 01:15:01,559
Speaker 1: scenario that will unfold within and even your time. Frange

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01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: because we can't keep a carrier off the coast of

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01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: Iran forever and the Lincoln's been out for a while anyway.

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Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I would say is never underestimate

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01:15:12,200 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 3: the ability of the United States to spend money. There

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01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 3: have been times we've had two carriers in the Virgin Gulf. Obviously,

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01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: it was a very different regional threat environment in the

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Speaker 3: Sencom AOAR and the Sencom area of responsibility. I should say, sorry,

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01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 3: another five dollars in the tip Shar. But so never

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01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:29,719
Speaker 3: say never when it comes to Uncle Sam being able

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01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,839
Speaker 3: to spend money, to build leverage, to generate the terms

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01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,280
Speaker 3: by simply amassing these forces, and being able to politically

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Speaker 3: and militarily strangle the Islamic Republic. But that thing said,

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Speaker 3: I do think we're in the countdown period to a strike.

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Speaker 3: The real question is what kind of strike? And this

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Speaker 3: is actually where decision makers in Washington are much more

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Speaker 3: tight lipt than ever before. Trump term two is very

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Speaker 3: different than Trump term one in that respect, just as

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Speaker 3: an observer and someone who lives here. But I will

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01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 3: tell you this, the President is keeping the cards close

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01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 3: to his chest. I think the mistake Trump term one

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Speaker 3: as we would focus on the people around him. You know,

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01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 3: who's up, who's down. The kremlinology of the situation, the president,

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Speaker 3: the commander in chief is absolutely one hundred percent in charge.

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Speaker 3: And the reason we don't have a strategy set yet

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01:16:12,680 --> 01:16:14,519
Speaker 3: or we haven't had much insight yet, is that the

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Speaker 3: President is choosing not to reveal this. And again he

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01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 3: could be building up to a situation like we had

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Speaker 3: in last summer in twenty twenty five, where he feigns

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01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,280
Speaker 3: in one direction and goes in another. But I think

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Speaker 3: we have to understand that more than any other president,

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Speaker 3: President Trump covets flexibility and actually creates uncertainty in doubt,

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Speaker 3: both in the minds of allies and adversaries alike, for

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Speaker 3: his and the US strategic benefits. So that's one reason

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01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 3: why we're all still in this yessing game and holding

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01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 3: pattern as the US continues to move more assets in theater.

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Speaker 3: I think, at a very minimum, if we're going to

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Speaker 3: ascribe something to what the President is interested in doing,

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Speaker 3: it is, to borrow a line from Machiavelli's The Prince.

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Speaker 3: It is to satisfy and stupefy, to be able to

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Speaker 3: satisfy the constituencies that want to strike, and to hold

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Speaker 3: up that US credibility that US redline to look more

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Speaker 3: like Reagan on Iran than Obama on Iran, and then

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Speaker 3: more importantly, to stupefy to make sure that that credibility

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Speaker 3: transcends just the Iran paradox, to keep the ball rolling,

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 3: if you will, when it comes to US military wins

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01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 3: following Venezuela, following Operation Midnight Hammer, rather than having this

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01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 3: be a critical juncture where US credibility and capability is

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01:17:25,360 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 3: doubted despite the successes at least with the regime change

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Speaker 3: at the top in Venezuela and at least with the

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Speaker 3: counter proliferation operation that was Operation Midnight Hamber. So the

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Speaker 3: President is looking, I think, to satisfy and stupefy.

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Speaker 1: Benam My worry about attempting to take out Ayatolahamini is

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Speaker 1: that it's pretty easy to hide one person. It can't

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Speaker 1: hide an oil terminal or their navy or IERGC basis.

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Speaker 1: But in order to increase the deterrent that the President

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Speaker 1: has pagetakingly rebuilt since the collapse in Afghanistan, at the

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Speaker 1: President Biden to increase that deterrent, he got to do

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Speaker 1: something visible, I mean, something dramatic, that's my opinion, and

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Speaker 1: that I think he will dent the deterrence he's rebuilt

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Speaker 1: that he doesn't do something visible and dramatic.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with me?

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Speaker 3: I agree wholeheartedly. You know this needs to not just

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01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 3: be seen, to be credible and have an escalating and

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Speaker 3: resonating deterrent effect and credibility multiplier for America's other authoritarian adversaries,

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Speaker 3: not just in the region but elsewhere, but most importantly

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Speaker 3: needs to be felt and seen by the Iranian people.

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Speaker 3: Less we forget the reason we're in this situation is

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Speaker 3: there has been nationwide anti regime protests, the most significant

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Speaker 3: protests in the history of the Islamic Republic and the

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Speaker 3: most violently repressed, not just in the forty seven year

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Speaker 3: history of the Islamic Republic, but in the past century,

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Speaker 3: if not century and a half of contemporary Iranian history.

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Speaker 3: And the President shows not once or twice, but based

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Speaker 3: on whatever open source you're looking at, print, TV, radio,

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01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 3: social media eight to nine times has touched this issue,

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01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 3: has made it a US issue by talking about holding

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01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 3: the regime accountable, and therefore this is intertwined with a

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01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,680
Speaker 3: credibility issue and a deterrence issue for Washington. But I

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Speaker 3: would push even further. I agree with the line that

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Speaker 3: has often ascribed to Henry Kissinger that foreign policy is

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01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,120
Speaker 3: not missionary work. You know, it is not charity to

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Speaker 3: strike the government of the Islamic Republic just because we're

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01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 3: standing with the running people. This is a regime that

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Speaker 3: has chanted since its inception, death to America and death

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Speaker 3: to Israel, and has put its money where his mouth

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Speaker 3: is for those four and a half decades.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm coming back for one more segment with them,

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01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: Ben Tallablu, And when we do, we've got to find

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Speaker 1: out about the threat to the Lincoln other adjacent chips, Israel,

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01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: and whether or not Iran's terror proxies are inside the

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01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:50,519
Speaker 1: United States, because indeed, if we hit them hard enough,

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01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 1: they'll do everything they can to hurt us. And I

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01:19:55,120 --> 01:19:57,599
Speaker 1: want people to be very wide eyed and awake about

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Speaker 1: those risks that I'm going to tell us about that

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Speaker 1: after the break, stay tuned on here on the Salem

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01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:05,040
Speaker 1: News Channel and the Salem Radio Network on a wonderful

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Speaker 1: affiliates on Q Pure.

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Speaker 2: Welker Back America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett with that e Ben Talla Blue Bedam

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01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:16,440
Speaker 1: General Mattis when he was in charge of an expeditionary

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01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 1: unit out here in Camp Pederal had a cheapest staff.

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01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:21,799
Speaker 1: Clark Latine, who once a said I wish you civilians

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01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 1: would think about second order impacts. Well, I am thinking

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01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 1: about second order impact. Can they hit the Lincoln, can

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01:20:27,240 --> 01:20:30,120
Speaker 1: they hit our ships? Can they hit Israel? And do

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01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: they have sleeper sales in the United States. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions. You have the floor.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of questions. But I'll do my best answer. Certainly,

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01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 3: they can strike US bases on the opposite side of

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Speaker 3: the Persian Gulf. At the end of the Twelve Day War,

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01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 3: we saw the regime fire ballistic missiles at a actual

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01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:50,320
Speaker 3: radiom facility at the Alu Dad base and Guitar, so

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01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:53,000
Speaker 3: there's a demonstrated ability to do that. We also know

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Speaker 3: that there's the IRGC Navy threat, the anti axis air denial,

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01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,200
Speaker 3: and the maritime asymmetric threat in the Persian Golf hor

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01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 3: moves which can go from anything from mining operations, placing

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01:21:04,479 --> 01:21:09,120
Speaker 3: limpid mines, selective anti ship missile attacks, underwater drone attacks,

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01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 3: and harassment operations. That could make life much more challenging,

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01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 3: but certainly not impossible either for the Lincoln or for

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Speaker 3: our destroyers. And we need those destroyers in that region

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 3: to bolster air and missile defense, because these are ages

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01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 3: enabled ballistic missile defense destroyers as well. But if the

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Speaker 3: US chooses to operate from range, which is one way

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01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 3: you can get around anti access air denial capabilities, or

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01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 3: if the US punches the regime hard enough and suppresses

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01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 3: their fire in a preemptive operation, then there's the chance

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01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:43,040
Speaker 3: that you can significantly reduce the zone of impact for

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Speaker 3: the US on the opposite side of the Persian Gulf

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Speaker 3: and in those waters that you mentioned. Israel is an

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01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 3: altogether different matter. You know, Iran has three chains of

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01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: missile bases that are underground caverns or underground missile bases.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's the Western chain, the Central chain, and

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Speaker 3: the Eastern chain that can fire medium range ballistic missiles

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Speaker 3: at Israel. You know, if passes prologue, you know, I

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Speaker 3: think about thirty people died in the Twelve Day War.

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Speaker 3: The regime fired about five hundred and seventy plus medium

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Speaker 3: range ballistic missiles and Israel had a eighty five eighty

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Speaker 3: six percent interception rate, so that's fairly high level of success.

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Speaker 3: But make no mistake that it did a significant amount

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Speaker 3: of damage and burned through a bunch of US and

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Speaker 3: Israeli missile interceptors, which is one potential reason for the

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Speaker 3: pause in the Middle East today. So certainly the regime

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01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 3: is weak. Certainly though it can do damage despite being weak,

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Speaker 3: But we still have the upper hand. It's about being

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Speaker 3: willing to pay those costs upfront or distributed them over time.

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Speaker 2: What about in the United States.

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Speaker 3: Let me just say this, because the changing face of

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Speaker 3: Iranian terrorism in the US has to be taken seriously.

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01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 3: I think for far too long we've had a politicized

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01:22:54,000 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 3: border debate when this should be a non partisan debate.

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Speaker 3: The fact that you have had not just Iranians, but

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01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 3: whole host of different nationalities be able to for many

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01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,160
Speaker 3: years coming through the southern border and be undocumented could

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01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:09,240
Speaker 3: pose one threat vector, but it's not the only threat vector.

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Speaker 3: If you look at the past decade and a half,

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01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 3: the Islamic Republic has tried to work with everything from

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01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:20,759
Speaker 3: Mexican drug cartels to Eastern European mafias to Canadian biker

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01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 3: gangs to try to engage in kidnapping or terrorism or

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01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 3: assassination on US soil against dissidence defectors and even US

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01:23:29,479 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 3: persons and citizens. So that should be setting off the

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01:23:32,040 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 3: alarm bell as well. The fact that also on the

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Speaker 3: anniversary of the killing of Costum Soli Money, the regime's

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01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 3: former chief terrorists, which the Trump administration killed in January

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01:23:40,640 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, his replacement talked about wouldn't it be nice

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01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 3: if Americans were able to carry out our operations or

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01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 3: our activities for us, you know, having Americans fight Americans

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01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 3: rather than the Iranians pay a proxy or a gun

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Speaker 3: for hire to kill Americans. So there is that fear

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01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,680
Speaker 3: of well of being able to ride the wave of

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01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:03,880
Speaker 3: loan wolf frustration that could exist in this country. And

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Speaker 3: the third, of course, is the potential for those sleeper cells,

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Speaker 3: either in certain communities inside the United States or the

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01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 3: ability to kind of work through a whole host of

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01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 3: fronts or affiliates that may not even know they are

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Speaker 3: fronts or affiliates. Again, this is something that former d

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Speaker 3: and I Avril Haines and the Biden administration talked about

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01:24:20,800 --> 01:24:23,519
Speaker 3: when it came to the pro Palestine protests that they

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01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 3: didn't even know where some of this direction and funding

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01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:31,560
Speaker 3: was coming from. So those fears exist. Fortunately, law enforcement

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01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:34,599
Speaker 3: plus national security has done a good enough job so far,

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01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 3: but good enough is not good enough for government work

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Speaker 3: in this case.

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Speaker 1: All right, so everyone got to realize there are real

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01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:45,800
Speaker 1: risks to Americans and to Israeli as, and to our

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01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:50,240
Speaker 1: allies and the golf, especially Uie and Chaddie Arabia. Let

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Speaker 1: me close by asking you in terms of that Turkish

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01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:57,759
Speaker 1: radar in Syria that's news to me this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Is that a real problem?

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01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:01,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the Turks get upset if we blow up

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01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 1: their radar for Syria.

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Speaker 3: The question is do we even need to blow it up?

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01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:09,280
Speaker 3: Is it something that the Israelies might do or is

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01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,600
Speaker 3: it something that they be able to work around. You know,

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01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,360
Speaker 3: Turkey is no doubt trying to fast replace the Islamic

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01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,720
Speaker 3: Republic as the other Islamist leaning power in Syria. I

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01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,760
Speaker 3: think this is a real challenge for the US to

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01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,080
Speaker 3: be able to deconflict between admittedly a NATO member not

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01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 3: in good standing which is Erdowan's Turkey, and our major

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01:25:27,080 --> 01:25:29,360
Speaker 3: partner in the region, Israel, and to make sure that

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01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 3: they don't come to blows over Syria. But you know,

1657
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,200
Speaker 3: make a mistake. Israel has really post October seven, punched

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01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 3: through a lot of assumptions we have had about things

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Speaker 3: that could limit their room for maneuver and freedom for

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Speaker 3: military operations. So I would say here, never say never.

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Speaker 1: All Right, my last question, I am not an optimist

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Speaker 1: about regime change. I think this is forty seven years

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01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,879
Speaker 1: of malignancy and you can't cut that tumor out absent,

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01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: but you can certainly stunt its growth and send it backwards.

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Speaker 1: Are you an optimist about the regime collapsing?

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Speaker 3: Believe it or not, I'm a long term optimist because

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01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: there is no way output through Frouncle Sam and a desert.

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01:26:07,160 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 3: There's no path out of a desert that does not

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01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,599
Speaker 3: include flipping the script on the Iatolahs in Tehran. There

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01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:14,639
Speaker 3: is no way to pivot to China. There's no way

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01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 3: to lock down the Western hemisphere. There's no way to

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01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 3: generate the credibility to deal with Putin or really anybody

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01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 3: else if you come up short against the Iatolas. We have,

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01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:26,560
Speaker 3: with the exception of Israel, right now, an important intersection

1675
01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 3: in the Middle East. Again, this is not charity, this

1676
01:26:28,920 --> 01:26:32,440
Speaker 3: is not missionary work. This is strategy. We have fundamentally

1677
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 3: the most pro American and the most pro Israeli population

1678
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 3: in the heartland of the Muslim Middle East being ruled

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01:26:38,040 --> 01:26:41,360
Speaker 3: over and repressed by the most anti American and the

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01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 3: most anti Israeli government in the heartland of the Middle East.

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Speaker 3: And so long as this regime is in power, and

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01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 3: so long as those ideologies are at the helm, a

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01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,160
Speaker 3: country with the amazing resources that Iran has will continue

1684
01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 3: to force us back in to conflict after conflict when

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01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,840
Speaker 3: we are least prepared for it. So I see the

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01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,679
Speaker 3: stars aligning. There is really no way out but through here.

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01:27:02,080 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 3: And whether it's in this current round or in a

1688
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 3: potential future around the Trump administration or future US administration,

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01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,559
Speaker 3: I think is going to have to realize that this

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01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,880
Speaker 3: is again not charity, This is not Iraq, this is

1691
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:16,160
Speaker 3: not Afghanistan. There is a world of difference between foreign

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01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 3: imposed regime change and foreign supported regime change. And for again,

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01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:24,839
Speaker 3: those strategies, those values, when they align, and you seldom

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01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 3: get them to align the Middle East. You take that.

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Speaker 1: Shot, Benam, thank you so much for joining me. Follow

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Speaker 1: to follow.

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Speaker 2: I hope you'll.

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