WEBVTT - The Big Weekend Pod 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.720 Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College, All Things 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.440 Hillsdale Hillsdale dot ed or I encourage you to take 0:00:06.480 --> 0:00:08.920 advantage of the many free online courses there, and of 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:11.280 course I'll listen to the Hillsdale dialogues, all of them 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.560 at Q for Hillsdale dot com or just Google, Apple 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.400 iTunes and Hillsdale Run and Glaura and even Grace America. 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.360 Welcome the Big Weekend Pod, and a big one it is, indeed, 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:27.920 John Ellis, Matt Continetti, Ben dominic Eli Lake, and Daniel Silva, 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:30.400 New York Times number one best selling author of the 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:35.720 Gabriel Lawn series. He's back with his new summertime blockbuster, Ransom. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:40.280 That's the dessert, after we cover the serious stuff, the 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:43.120 escalation of the war, big escalation in the war on 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:46.760 Thursday night, carrying over into the weekend and reviewing the 0:00:46.760 --> 0:00:51.280 President's speech with John Ellis and Eli Lake and Matt 0:00:51.320 --> 0:00:54.160 Contenetti and Ben Dominicic, and then of course Dan Silva 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.680 and I will talk at length about Ransom. So settle 0:00:57.720 --> 0:01:00.000 back and enjoy your workout, because this is a real special, 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:03.800 big Weekend Pod, and I hope you enjoy it. I'm 0:01:03.840 --> 0:01:07.399 he Hewett, Stay Tuned, Glory and even Great America. A 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:10.080 lot coming up on this. Prior of the Hilltale Dialogue, 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.880 author Danny Silva is back talk to me about his 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:17.080 brand new book Ransom, Matt Conney, Ben Dominic Eli Lake, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.080 And of course we begin, if we do most fridays, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:23.560 with John Ellis, founder and editor in chief of News Items. John, 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.080 the price of oil is at eighty two dollars a 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.720 bail right now, you are of the opinion China holds 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.440 the key to whether it stays there. Can you explain why? 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.760 Well, as we know, the US and Israel attacked Iran. 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.640 Iran shut down the Strait of horm Mooz, shutting down 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.360 the straight of the of horr Moves cut you know, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.760 cut off essentially twenty percent of the world's energy supply. 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.640 And so everybody assumed that the price of oil would 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.279 go to one twenty one fifty eight, two hundred, depending 0:01:54.280 --> 0:01:57.400 on who you talk to. Well, it turned out it didn't. 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:01.040 It's now in the eighties. It's likely to go lower. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:04.800 And the reason for that is that China has dramatically 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.400 reduced its imports from the Middle East. And when I 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:13.880 say dramatically, by almost half they've gone into reserves, which 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:20.560 they have apparently bountiful amounts, and they have plugged into 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:25.880 their solar plants which are enormous. And so the price 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.280 of oil, which everybody thought would go up, has actually 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:33.240 been relatively stable. Some people think experts think that it 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.079 could go down into the mid seventies, maybe even as 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:39.760 low as sixty five if China continues to not import 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.359 the amounts of oil and gas that it was importing before, 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.280 which would obviously have some terrific knock on effects lower 0:02:47.280 --> 0:02:53.200 inflation and perhaps even lower federal interest rates. So it's 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.359 one of those weird things where what do you make 0:02:56.600 --> 0:02:57.800 of the iron situation? 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:02.240 I'm looking at a live feed of the American airlift 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:05.160 to the Middle East right now, and it's an air bridge, 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.280 it's fueler supply, fueler supply. I think it's going to 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:11.840 go big over the weekend. What do you think? I 0:03:11.880 --> 0:03:12.240 think so? 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:15.560 I think you know, you can tell by how close 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.160 US forces are to the Gulf, I mean to the 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.480 Strait essentially, or to Iran. And if more and more 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.679 assets as they're called, are closer and closer, then it's 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:32.080 likely that you know it's going to go bigger soon. 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:35.960 On the other hand, I'm I've long been of the 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:40.040 view that the way to win the war is to say, Okay, 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:44.600 we've successfully completed phase one. Phase two is blockade and 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:49.600 even tighter sanctions. The Iranian economy will collapse, and so 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:51.839 we just have to be patient. I think that would 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.640 be the best course. But you know, I'm not the president, 0:03:55.800 --> 0:03:56.880 so it doesn't. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:04:01.320 Really I'm a hybrid between Long drun or I would 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.440 take out the dual use electricity plants just to make 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.200 it harder on the IRGC and everything. And if there 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:11.360 are like keybridge to Bondara bas like he did last night, 0:04:11.840 --> 0:04:14.280 that can get blown up. But then I would do it, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:18.040 you suggest, because it's going to be an internal revolution. 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:20.080 Eli Lake's coming up after you. He's pointed out the 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:24.160 history of regime collapse is usually internal, not external. It 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:27.240 does happen sometimes with external forces, but it's usually internal. 0:04:27.800 --> 0:04:30.000 Let me turn to the spooky stuff you sent me, 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.320 the AI exo self. This is not for me. I'm 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.800 a boomer. You're a boomer, But you also make the 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.719 argument the Exo self is going to be like a 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:44.280 second skin the youngs were before long tell us about it. 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:50.120 Well, I think people are familiar probably with metaglasses, which 0:04:50.120 --> 0:04:52.480 you wear, and it connects you to the internet and 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:55.400 you can take pictures with those glasses and so on 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.400 and so forth. The next iteration of that is essentially 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:07.200 artificial intelligence in your pocket, and that is always on 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.040 following everything you do. You can talk to it as 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:12.880 you go along throughout the day. It can take notes 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.480 for you, it can do agentry for you and get 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.880 you a plane ticket or call somebody you need to call. 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.480 When you go to sleep, it'll monitor you sleep. And 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.360 the thought is is a man named Kevin Kelly, who's 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:30.120 the founder of Wired magazine, who wrote a terrific column 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:34.080 about this in which you said, eventually, the next generation, 0:05:34.240 --> 0:05:37.200 not our generation here, but the next generation. I guess 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:41.880 generations will grow very comfortable with this because they'll have 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:44.880 the world's intelligence in their pocket that will tell them 0:05:44.920 --> 0:05:46.920 how they're doing, tell them what they need to know, 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:50.440 tell them where they need to be. And it's totally 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.520 scary because it's a second self in a sense, because 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.200 it gets to know you as you talk to it, 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.520 as you talk to others. It records everywhere you go. 0:06:01.279 --> 0:06:04.920 And people say, well, that's impossible, but actually, given where 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.599 metaglasses is right now, and you know it's not at 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:14.640 all unthinkable to see mister Kelly's vision realized in the 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.400 next three, four or five years. 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.640 John, I can tell from the bookshelf behind you you 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.680 are a reader. And I assume you grew up reading 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:26.960 history and great thrillers like Daniel Selda's thrillers and Lend 0:06:27.040 --> 0:06:29.800 Dayton's thrillers and Lacret and that was your summer reading. 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:32.599 But you had to do your history, et cetera. I'm 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:37.440 afraid the new AI and the new online era will 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:39.440 not be readers in the way that you and I 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.320 were readers. Does that cross your mind? What happens when 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.360 you basically raise a generation of people don't read compulsively 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:47.760 because of boredom. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:54.400 I'm concerned about that. I mean, how you process information. 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:58.280 It's been in studies show that if you write it 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.600 manually on a piece of paper, you process the information 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.800 better than if you type it on a keyboard. Now 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:07.080 we're going we're getting rid of that. We've gotten rid 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.760 of the you know, penmanship, and now we're going to 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.760 get rid of the keyboard. It's all going to be voice. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:18.280 And that's you know, you're going to have people who 0:07:18.360 --> 0:07:21.680 are listening to podcasts, who are listening to you know, 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:24.160 Instagram feeds and so on and so forth. But I 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:30.360 think for authors it's going to be a fallow period. 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:30.960 Let's put that. 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:34.560 And for people who actually are informed by history, let's 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.360 talk about the AI data centers though that would power 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:43.440 the etso self and all this revolution. Who's winning this war? 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.160 Because both the right and the left are angry about it, 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:47.560 But I think the left is angrier. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:52.680 Well, I think that what's happened in these democratic primaries. 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.480 I think it's one of the sort of secret sauces 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:59.840 that the left has deployed is opposition to data centers 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:03.400 to sort of the symbol of big text power. But 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.040 in the case of the left wing of the Democratic Party, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:11.520 they've also been specifically critical of big tech, and they've 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:17.280 been specifically critical of the you know, the power of 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:23.080 AI making people ordinary people, so to speak, uh, you know, powerless, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:26.560 And this is you know, we saw it with Kathy 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:31.240 Hochel banning for one year development of any data centers 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.160 in New York State. She didn't do that because she 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:36.080 thinks it's the right thing to do. She did that 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:40.800 because the left is rising in New York State. As 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:45.079 you know, Mandani being the being the sort of primary 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:45.960 example of that. 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.480 The one that's most interesting to me. 0:08:48.440 --> 0:08:53.600 Is Francesca Francesca hang, excuse me, who is the left 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.600 wing candidate for governor in Wisconsin is the primary upcoming there. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:02.040 She has used the data center slash big tech issue 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:07.120 to her advantage, and it's quite possible she'll win the nomination. 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:13.160 John Ellis, the fracking issue ten to fifteen years ago 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:17.040 was glowing down to by the left, and they convinced 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.960 the American middle for a while that fracking was bad 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:22.720 for you, until the American middle figured out, we like 0:09:23.040 --> 0:09:25.520 natural gas, we like our house is heated at the 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.480 old prices, and we want the oil price to be down. 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:32.760 Do you think that the campaigning and data set as 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:35.560 an AI is similar to the data the campaign against 0:09:35.679 --> 0:09:38.560 fracking of a ten fifteen years ago, and it will 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:43.000 eventually turn when productivity is measured and people understand we 0:09:43.160 --> 0:09:47.760 really need this. You know, I can tell you a story. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:51.160 My son in law is in the alternative energy space 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.720 and they are developing a solar plant, if you will, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.520 in Hood County, Texas, which is west I think of Elpaso. 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.840 I think Quitt County, Texas was eighty two percent Trump, 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.040 and so he's coming down from you know, alternative energy. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.360 He's thinking, these people, aren't you know, they're not going 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.200 to like me. They're not going to like the idea. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:15.160 They couldn't he said, they couldn't have cared less about 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.800 his solar plant. They were fine with that. What really 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.640 had them riled up was the building of a data 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:25.360 center in Hood County. And so I think what's unusual 0:10:25.559 --> 0:10:30.320 about about this issue is that it unites the right 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:34.040 and the left, and so it's a different kettle of fish. 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.200 And I think, you know, I think people are really 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:42.240 concerned about enormous power being transferred to a very very 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:45.079 small group of people. So I don't mean real power 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.760 energy the grid. You mean the grid, No, I'm talking 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.760 about real power like you know, if you if you yeah, 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:57.120 or just power. If you control the most important technology 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.600 arguably in the history of mankind. And they're aren't that 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:03.920 many of you. You have the most money, you have, 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.280 the most juice, you have, you know, On and on 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:10.840 it goes. And people in Hood County, Texas or Brattleboro, 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:14.960 Vermont are of a similar opinion. 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.000 That this is not a good idea. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:19.320 I mean, you can unite Bannon with whoever the left 0:11:19.320 --> 0:11:21.920 wing strategist is on this issue. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:26.280 Wow, I have to let that settle a little bit. 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:29.400 Hassan Piper and Steve Bannon wouldn't have thought about that. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:33.320 John ellis editor, founder of News Items, which I begin 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.800 my day with, and you want to as well, the 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.400 substack that condensers and organizes all the world's news overnight 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.640 so you don't have to read all everything in order 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:46.360 to understand what matters. Most news items from John ellis 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:51.280 Thank you, John. I'll be right back with Eli La. 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:55.160 Welcome back America. Eli Lake is the pre press correspondent 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:58.600 who's also the host of Breaking History. Eli. I am 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.720 looking at the live feet of the the US Air 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.360 Force airlift to the Middle East. It is ongoing, continuous 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.400 and busy. What do you think is happening. I don't know, 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.880 but I would imagine I have something to do with Iran. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.840 Seems like the President is hinted, at least in his 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.720 you know speech last night that you said, you know, 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:20.839 wait and see something about it. 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:21.280 He mentioned it. 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:22.880 He kind of said, well, well, and we'll see more 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.760 in Iran soon. So I don't know, you know, well, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:26.960 we'll have to wait and see. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:31.160 John Ellis just speculated the best way to finish this 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.840 war is to deliver a big blow and then just 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.600 keep the blockade in place and see what happens. What 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.559 do you think of that theory? 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:44.240 Well, you know, my view is that if if Trump, 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.240 if Trump, it's really Israel in America. If the result 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:50.520 of the two wars is that we've taken away the 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:56.120 Iranian nuclear program and we haven't suffered a global recession 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:59.880 and there you know, hasn't been other kind of cat 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.680 traffic effects of that, then that's overall going to be 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:06.680 a you know, then that's a that's a win. 0:13:07.600 --> 0:13:08.000 It doesn't. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.480 It's not a win in the conditions that we may 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.319 have hoped initially with the initial decapitation strikes and getting 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.520 rid of promenade. It did not end up in toppling 0:13:18.559 --> 0:13:21.199 the regime, but I think the regime is much weaker 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.280 and it doesn't have a nuclear blackmail, and then over time, 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:31.960 hopefully the slow process of you know, military naval escorts 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.040 of ships in the straight up form moves close to 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:41.320 the Oman side will hopefully you know, mitigate the the 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.520 blackmail of the of the regime when it comes to 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:45.120 the straight offem Mousa. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:46.800 I want to switch to two men who would be 0:13:46.840 --> 0:13:50.600 president Ambassador Ram Emmanuel Kilmer may or Chicago, former chief 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.880 of staff to the President, and jade E Vance, the 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.160 Vice President. Ram Emmanuel gave a speech last week in 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.400 Tel Aviv that was very specific in his criticism to Israel. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.000 The Evans gave it three hour interview that I've not 0:14:02.120 --> 0:14:04.400 yet listened to. I've read many accounts of some of 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.200 them conflicting. I assume you're up to speed on both. 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.080 How do the two men compare in their approach to Israel, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.920 if at all? 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:13.880 It's a good question. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:15.800 I mean, I want to start with Ram Emmanuel, who 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:18.400 you had a great interview with. I thought on the 0:14:18.440 --> 0:14:23.680 show this week and I disagreed with his speech. I 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.200 still come I think he's coming from a place of 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:31.240 what he's what he calls tough love, but I think 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.240 he misdiagnoses the problem in that. What he's saying is 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.240 is that if Israel can show a path to a 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:45.160 two state solution and you know, meet halfway some of 0:14:45.320 --> 0:14:48.480 you know, it's critics, then you will find that then 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:52.480 Israel will find that it's isolation in elements and pockets 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:54.480 of the West will diminish and go away. 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:56.280 I think he's wrong. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:59.960 I think what the problem is is that we've all 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.239 already seen it in the UK Labor Party, the Democratic 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.520 Party right now is in the process of, at the 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:10.920 very least forming a coalition with people whose views are 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:16.320 basically Prohamas, that are anti Western, anti American and anti 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.840 Israel and don't believe that the Jewish state has a 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.200 right to exist. And if you form a kind of 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:26.560 how do I put it, if you form a coalition 0:15:26.600 --> 0:15:31.360 with a group like that, because of their illiberalism, because 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:35.359 they are not committed to our values, they will ultimately 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:39.520 end up eating their you know, the children of the revolution, 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.720 or they will ultimately end up prevailing by any means necessary. 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.280 We saw a preview of that this week on the 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.360 podcast known as drop Site News, where Rocanna, who has 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:54.840 you know, recently kind of reinvented himself to pander to 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.320 this crowd, was you know, repeatedly asked in a kind 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.240 of struggle session by one of the interviewers, Jeremy Scale, 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:05.800 whether you know Palestinians had a right to attack Israeli 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:09.320 soldiers and it kind of why can't they do October seventh, 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:11.720 where they attacked these military bases and it was insane, 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.760 you know. To to Kna's credit, I'm not a fan. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:19.080 He didn't take the bait. But the point is is 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.800 that that's where it's headed. So I just think that 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:26.840 that rama Manuel is kind of going to Israel, beating 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:31.480 up on Israel in, you know, and his argument is like, hey, 0:16:31.680 --> 0:16:33.920 you got to do some of these things and that'll 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.760 be the way out of your isolation. And my point 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:38.840 is is that it's not going to make a difference 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:44.200 if you have center left parties aligning themselves with these 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:45.080 hard leftists. 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:46.520 Now, in the case of JD. 0:16:46.680 --> 0:16:51.960 Vance, my issue with him was more about he kind 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.600 of implied that he, you know, there might be some things, 0:16:54.680 --> 0:16:57.440 there might be files that connect Jeffrey Epstein to the 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.920 CIA and the Mozad, but you know, the probably destroyed a. 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:01.840 Long time ago. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:07.520 That is pouring gasoline on conspiracy theory. You're the vice president, 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.440 you need to be responsible when you're asked about that. 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:15.080 I also think that his theory that you know themou 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:18.760 that he that he was negotiating with the Iranians was 0:17:18.800 --> 0:17:24.119 somehow sabotaged by harsh criticism inside the United States among 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:29.240 you know, pro Israel supporters of Trump is risible. It 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:33.240 was sabotaged because the Iranians are who they've always been, 0:17:33.320 --> 0:17:35.840 which are you know, a bunch of terrorists who lie. 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.800 So you know, that was disappointing. 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:42.280 But you know the bottom line is that I made 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.639 this case on the commentary podcast. Jd Vance is not 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:50.000 somebody who I think hates Israel or once you know it, 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.280 sort of wants to see its destruction, or is overly concerned, 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.880 is convinced that is what's become a monstrosity. Jd Vance 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.960 wants a grown up relationship between the United States and Israel. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:00.919 I do too. 0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:03.760 By the way, I'm in favor of ending the military 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:07.639 aid in the military subsidy at this point, So that 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:11.280 strikes me, as you know, fairly reasonable. And he's been 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.760 pretty consistent. If you go back to twenty twenty four 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.280 and you listen his speech at the Quincy Institute, what 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:21.119 you find is as a politician who is making the 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.200 argument that Israel is a valuable ally because it can 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:28.640 defend itself and defend American interests. So on that point, 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:32.600 I will just sort of say I think he's okay. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.520 I do have a lot of other problems right now 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:36.800 with Jade Vance in this world, and you know, chief 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.679 among them would be you know, he still is I 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:43.439 think an ally and won't denounce Tucker Carlson, who I 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.720 really do think is like launched into orbit. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.760 You will let me ask you out there, low on 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:51.840 time here, Yeah, and it might go into the break. 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.600 I've interviewed the Vice present a lot when he was 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.879 running for Senate in the Senate and a couple of 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:01.240 times since to be been Vice president nominated. He's always 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.080 been Israel is its own country. It needs to do 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.320 what it needs to do to protect it security, kind 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:09.360 of a grown up attitude. I think both Ram Emmanuel 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.639 and jd Vance are playing the first inning of the 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.120 long game in the question for the nomination by going 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.560 to their left or to their right in the case 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.360 of Vance, so Ram Emanuel went to the left. Vance went 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:24.600 to the right just to kind of touch base before 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.280 you go back to the center right and the center left. 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.360 Are they doing the same thing for their respective parties? 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.800 And I haven't heard the Vance interview. I'm just trusting 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:34.000 your assertion there. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.840 My concern really about Dvance is less to do with 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.600 what he says about the US Israel relationship, And it's 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:43.440 much more to do with the fact that he seems 0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:46.080 to be in a position if you want to say 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.040 he's tacking to his right right now or trying to 0:19:48.119 --> 0:19:51.159 keep shore up his base of not offending a bunch 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:58.199 of anti Semitic conspiracy theory, you know, nonsense people. My 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.720 view is that those people, just like I don't think 0:20:00.800 --> 0:20:03.600 I'm glad that that Buckley ultimately led the chart to 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.760 get the Burchers out of the party. Well, we have 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.200 a Bircher problem in twenty twenty six on the right, 0:20:08.760 --> 0:20:12.000 and jd Vance at this point has shown me that 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:13.560 he doesn't want to offend him. 0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.160 Doesn't mean he's one of them, because. 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:15.639 I don't think he is. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:20.080 Rob Emmanuel's problem is that he doesn't understand how insipid 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:24.840 and terrible the new left popular socialists are that are 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:28.200 trying to enter the Democratic Party. 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.560 Think longer on that, Eli, because I think it's the 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:35.320 same problem for both guys. But you're smarter than I am, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:36.720 so I'll wait to read what you write in the 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:39.920 Free prom or say I'm breaking history is a wonderful podcast. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:42.119 ELI like fall him on. Actually, ELI like thank you 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.840 I'll be right back in America. What continetti, I'm a 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:46.240 little bit high. 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:54.320 The loring. I ain't saying action never took a troll 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:58.440 on me for what is work. 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:03.680 I can finally we going back America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. 0:21:03.960 --> 0:21:07.000 Matt Contenenny is my guest head of Domestic Policy Studies 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.119 at the American Enterprises Too calmnist for the Wall Street Journal. 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.320 And this is my now new feature for the young, 0:21:13.600 --> 0:21:17.080 the young members of my show New and Rising Stars. 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.760 I just want to see if Matt is hip. Do 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:21.360 you know who this is? Matt Connetty. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:27.200 No, I'm not young, and I am not hip. It's 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:29.040 mattis now lumineers. 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.360 It's Max McNown and he's a big deal among the young. 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:35.000 So I'm glad to hear I'm not the only guy 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:36.879 emotional music deal that was. 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.919 I was so I mean, I don't know, kind of 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:42.399 depressing intro. I'm so geared up to talk about the 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.760 news of the week and now I might, you know, 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:46.479 have to sippolaate or something. 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:47.560 And because I'm a. 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:49.360 Little bit dumb, but I'm a lot more free. That's 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.120 kind of like the world. Uh, let's go to Iran 0:21:52.400 --> 0:21:56.760 Matt Conney. I have just read Rebecca Heinrich's estimate that 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:58.800 if there's a ground force, it won't be for long, 0:21:59.240 --> 0:22:01.040 but there might be ad for it. I listened to 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.240 Posish speech last night. I was kind of disappointed he 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.639 didn't do more on Iran, but he said stay tuned, 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:11.920 and the real time air bridge visuals are amazing. Everything 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.280 is going to the Middle East Bass. What do you 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:15.320 think is going to happen. 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:21.240 Next Well, I think the President is preparing to escalate 0:22:21.280 --> 0:22:23.879 the conflict, and I think what we've seen you in 0:22:23.920 --> 0:22:28.120 the past week is a gradual escalation, and not only 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:32.679 a return to combat operations, the resumption of the blockade 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:38.600 on Iranian ports, but now also targeting dual use infrastructure 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:40.679 in Iran, which of course we've been talking about on 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:43.480 this program for months, but taking out some of those bridges, 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:49.480 taking out some of those economic facilities, transportation hubs, all 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:55.600 part of an effort to seriously degrade and eventually deny 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.840 Iranians the ability to shut down the Straight of Hormuz. 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.000 So I'd say the preparations we're seeing taking place right now, 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:08.600 or providing the President options to continue that effort in 0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:09.280 the coming. 0:23:09.040 --> 0:23:13.680 Week Congressman Hargen from North Carolina told me earlier this week, 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:17.800 we cannot take Karj Island as I've been proposed, because 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:22.120 it's lower than the high ground from which the Iranians 0:23:22.160 --> 0:23:25.440 could fire onto it. I was unaware of that basic fact, 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.040 but he's a Special Forces veteran. Were you aware of 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:28.440 that fact? 0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:32.280 Well, I suppose I was aware that a lot of 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.359 that coastal topography, as you can see on the map, 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:39.600 is elevated, and it's a mountainous part of Iran, which 0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:42.639 is in general with kind of a mountainous country than 0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:46.439 large country, but the plenty of mountains there, and so 0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:49.000 you see the drone and missile teams that have been 0:23:49.040 --> 0:23:52.359 harassing the shipping in the Strait of Hermus are able 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.840 to kind of operate within these elevated conditions, kind of 0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:58.320 sneak in and out and fire at shipping. 0:23:59.119 --> 0:23:59.320 You know. 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.359 I think one point Congress and Harrogan made that stuck 0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:04.879 with me was this idea of boots on the ground 0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:08.520 and how an operation to siege carg Island would be 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:13.639 different than our incredible rescue operation of the two downed 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:17.840 airmen earlier in Operation Epic theory, this would be an 0:24:17.840 --> 0:24:21.880 operation where we would seize and hold ground Iranian territory, 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:24.280 and that of course would mean that our soldiers would 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:27.000 be the targets of drone and missile attacks. And so 0:24:27.520 --> 0:24:30.920 if we're going to pursue that policy, I think every 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:34.280 effort needs to be made to prepare for how the 0:24:34.320 --> 0:24:38.720 Iranians would attempt to retaliate an attempt to harm our soldiers. 0:24:38.840 --> 0:24:40.960 I think that's one reason why President Trump, of course, 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:44.760 has always been very reluctant to put boots on the 0:24:44.760 --> 0:24:48.440 ground unless he knows that the mission is defined, that 0:24:48.520 --> 0:24:52.600 there's a time set, and that the objectives can be achieved. 0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:58.080 The opportunity for other ground troops. Do you think our 0:24:58.200 --> 0:25:03.000 Arab colleagues, Israeli forces, but UA, which is deployed with 0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:06.360 US to Afghanistan, deployed with US to Iraq, you think 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.800 that the UA and other Arab troops might be involved 0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:14.720 in such an incursion where necessary. 0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:18.520 I'd be very skeptical of that idea, Hugh, mainly because 0:25:19.000 --> 0:25:25.520 our golf allies have participated in some extent in retaliating 0:25:25.520 --> 0:25:28.439 against Iran, because of course Iran has been striking at 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:32.200 them since the very beginning of the open conflict earlier 0:25:32.240 --> 0:25:32.680 this year. 0:25:33.280 --> 0:25:35.960 But I don't say I'm not sure they've been at 0:25:35.960 --> 0:25:36.520 the forefront. 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:41.320 Let's say certainly not anywhere near where Israel was during 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:45.320 the first phase of Operation Epic Fury, Operation Roaring Lion 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:49.760 for the Israelis. So I'd be surprised if we saw 0:25:50.400 --> 0:25:56.280 a deployment of golf military assets in any in any 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.040 ground operation, just as you know I begin I'd be 0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.760 a little bit surprised if there were a major ground 0:26:02.760 --> 0:26:04.000 operation in the coming weeks. 0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:06.440 I'll be right back with Matt Contney during the break 0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:09.520 talk about the President's speech on Thursday night, Don't go anywhere. 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:11.400 He'll be back after the break to talk about Ram 0:26:11.400 --> 0:26:15.480 Emmanuel and Vice President Advance. Both men gave speeches. They 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:18.760 were different, but they were the same. One gave a speech, 0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:20.760 one gave an interview. I want to be specific. Don't 0:26:20.760 --> 0:26:22.360 go anywhere. I'll be right back on the huge deal 0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:24.359 of show. I'm back now with Matt conten Any of 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.119 the Wall Street Journal and AEI. Matt. I stayed up 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:29.000 later than I wanted to. I do Fox and Friends 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:31.000 first this morning in the five o'clock hours, so I 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:33.000 didn't really want to stay up to watch the President's 0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.600 speech and thankfully it was only twenty seven minutes, and 0:26:36.640 --> 0:26:39.000 I said, I stayed up for that. I got the 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:41.720 documents down this morning. What'd you make of it? And 0:26:41.800 --> 0:26:44.960 the DOCUMENTCY released which were heavily redacted, I mean very 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:45.879 heavily redacted. 0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:49.760 But it was a very interesting speech that the President 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.600 gave Hugh. I like the fact that he wants to 0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.760 give more of these addresses. I think it's a setting 0:26:55.800 --> 0:26:58.400 we don't usually see him in. I thought the subject 0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:02.080 to the speech was very much defined. You know it 0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:04.000 previously in the week we had heard it would be 0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:07.200 a potpourri or a shmorgasboard. But he wanted to talk 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:10.080 about election integrity. He wanted to talk about the Save 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.439 America Act. And I really think that's what this speech 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:17.080 was about, marshaling some new evidence, some new disclosures to 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:21.520 say that our election system is vulnerable. It's vulnerable to 0:27:21.560 --> 0:27:25.760 outside influence, it is leaky, it is not very efficient, 0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:29.320 for sure, especially when you think of states like California 0:27:29.440 --> 0:27:31.679 or New York, and we need to be. 0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:33.400 Addressed and there. 0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:36.400 I think that the message on the Save America Act 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:40.600 is useful for a couple reasons. Politically, One is it 0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:44.840 is a defined agenda item, and it's critical for President Trump. 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:47.520 Two, it's something that the. 0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:52.040 Base of the Republican Party cares passionately about. And right now, 0:27:52.160 --> 0:27:55.879 the big I think challenge facing Republicans ahead of midterm 0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.920 is a lack of enthusiasm for the election, kind of 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:02.120 a complacency. People are more or less happy with President 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:06.399 Trump's tenure in office if you're a Republican, so they 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.800 need an additional reason to go to the polls. And 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:10.840 so what I see in this speech is President Trump 0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.679 giving his voters a reason to go to the polls, 0:28:14.040 --> 0:28:16.360 to advocate for the Save America Act and to put 0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:19.359 on pressure on the Senate to pass it. 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.800 You know, the reveal to me because I did get 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:25.600 the first document down on the chicoms They've got two 0:28:25.680 --> 0:28:30.240 hundred million American voter files. That means they know name, address, 0:28:30.280 --> 0:28:34.879 and residents. That's very unnerving. Don't you find that to 0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.400 be very unnerving? Oh? 0:28:37.440 --> 0:28:38.000 Incredibly. 0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:43.320 I mean the Chinese penetration of American systems of identification, 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:46.960 whether it's a voter role, remember the OPM hack many 0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.800 years back, where they just they seized all the information 0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:55.080 of government employees. Over decades, China, we now know, of course, 0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.680 if you look at the mayor in southern California who 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:00.440 was revealed to be a China spy. 0:29:01.160 --> 0:29:02.680 China has penetrated. 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:04.920 Our society, and so I think it's totally legitimate for 0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:07.200 the President to raise this issue. We have to be 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.120 concerned about it, and we have to take steps to 0:29:10.600 --> 0:29:14.880 secure our voting process. And then we also have to 0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:17.400 look at the voter ID point, which is something he's 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:20.240 stressed in, which is part of the Save America Act 0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:25.280 that is extremely popular, initiative voter ID. It's common sensical 0:29:25.520 --> 0:29:28.640 we take ID everywhere. Everyone has an ID. Obviously there 0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.080 are a few exceptions that can be addressed, but you know, 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:35.040 hard cases don't make fruit law. Right, people like the 0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.959 idea of voter ID. And again, that's an issue that 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:41.840 President Trump knows his voters respond to, and something we 0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:43.720 see at work in last night's speech. 0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.080 And he sucker punched a lot of the left that 0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:48.360 thought he was going to relitigate twenty twenty and he 0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:50.960 did not, except for a couple of cues here and there, 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:53.120 he really didn't. I mean, right back with Matt Cotton 0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:58.040 and he stay tuned America. The Jack wasn't so busy. 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:11.760 Welcome back America. I'm playing happy Jack with Matt Connelly. 0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:14.840 Didn't like my downer music the last time edried it. 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.000 Do you like happy Jack? 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:16.360 Matt? 0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:17.320 Oh? 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.160 Of course? How can I not love smiling? Here is 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:21.760 get into our next segment. 0:30:22.360 --> 0:30:26.600 Let me put for for you two exhibits. Ambassador, former 0:30:26.640 --> 0:30:29.000 mayor of Chicago, former chief of staff to the President 0:30:29.000 --> 0:30:31.600 of the United States, former member of Congress from Emmanuel 0:30:31.720 --> 0:30:35.360 goes to Israel gives a speech. I discussed it with him. 0:30:35.400 --> 0:30:38.880 This week. Vice President Vance flies to California does a 0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.080 three hour interview with Joe Rogan, which I have not 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:43.760 listened to, and I'm leary of clips because of AI 0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:46.120 and editing. But maybe you know more about it than 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.640 I do. I think they were doing the same thing, 0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.840 which is playing to a part of their party that 0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:55.040 they perceive a need to at least be on talking 0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:57.960 terms with as they quest for the presidency. What did 0:30:57.960 --> 0:31:00.320 you make of both and how do you compare each? 0:31:01.960 --> 0:31:02.040 All? 0:31:02.120 --> 0:31:02.320 Right? 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.440 Well, just to start with Emmanuel, I mean their ram 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:11.480 Emmanuel's speech, of course, was based on partisan reasons. Ramamanuel's 0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.479 thinking of running for president in twenty twenty eight, and 0:31:14.600 --> 0:31:17.280 his party has taken a sharp turn against the state 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.320 of Israel. We saw that just in the House this week, 0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.120 where over one hundred House Democrats voted to cut off 0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:24.680 aid to Israel. You know, ten years ago the number 0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.560 would be zero. Now it's one hundred and three, and 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.280 you can just see there. The Democrats are becoming an 0:31:30.280 --> 0:31:33.480 anti Israel party. Ram Emanuel knows it. In his speech 0:31:33.480 --> 0:31:36.800 in Israel, Emmanuel made three claims Hugh that I truly 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.680 disagree with. One is the idea that Israel is isolated. 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:44.240 Israel is not isolated at all. It accounts among his 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.400 allies the most powerful democracy in the world, the United States, 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:48.760 and the most populous. 0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:49.800 Democracy in the world, India. 0:31:51.040 --> 0:31:53.880 Another claim Emmanuel made was that you know, for too long, 0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:57.240 he says, American support for Israel has been unqualified. 0:31:57.280 --> 0:31:58.800 We've done whatever Israel wants. 0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:02.320 And my response to him there is look in the mirror, 0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:07.360 mister ambassador, because you worked for three presidents Clinton, Obama 0:32:07.400 --> 0:32:11.080 and Biden whose support was not unqualified at all. I mean, 0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:14.080 who did in fact that, in Obama's case, did everything 0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:17.120 he could to create daylight between the United States and Israel. 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:19.400 And then the third idea. 0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.320 He had is this idea for a twenty three state solution, 0:32:23.160 --> 0:32:25.680 the idea that rather than try to have a two 0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:29.880 state solution between Israel and a potential Palestinian state, the 0:32:30.280 --> 0:32:35.080 settlement of the Israeli Palestinian dispute should be submerged within 0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:38.800 a settlement between Israel and the Arab League. But that 0:32:38.920 --> 0:32:40.960 is just an evasion in my view, because at the 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.240 end of the day, the obstacle to peace in the 0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.600 Middle East is not Israel. The obstacle to peace in 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:54.480 the Middle East is Palestinian denihilism, Palestinian denial of Israel's 0:32:54.600 --> 0:32:58.000 right to exist. That is what has prevented every single 0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.440 peace agreement from bearing fruit. And until the Palestinians change 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:06.520 their attitude toward Israel and accept Israel's right to exist 0:33:06.560 --> 0:33:09.040 as a Jewish state, you will not have any peace. 0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:12.479 So that is rama Manuel a speech that he is 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:14.920 delivering to an anti Israel party, but I think that 0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.959 was riddled with errors. For Vice President Vance and his 0:33:19.000 --> 0:33:22.320 interview with Joe Rogan, I'm not sure actually what the 0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:25.400 party aspect of it is. Hugh, I have to tell you, 0:33:25.480 --> 0:33:29.680 because as the Democratic Party is turning against Israel, the 0:33:29.720 --> 0:33:32.720 Republican Party is not in fact, the Republican Party is 0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.880 driving out the anti Israel members. And just look at 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:38.520 that resolution I mentioned. It was sponsored by Thomas Massey, 0:33:38.680 --> 0:33:42.760 a Republican lser. But who is just Republican loser who 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.880 just lost his seat to a primary challenge sponsored by 0:33:45.880 --> 0:33:50.000 President Trump. So who is the audience that that Joe 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.160 Rogan represents and that jd. 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.720 Vance is catering to with his comments. 0:33:56.840 --> 0:34:01.200 It's not Republicans, but it is part of the Trump coalition. 0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.720 It is kind of the newer elements of the Trump 0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:08.720 coalition that were very important to Trump's victory in twenty 0:34:08.760 --> 0:34:12.600 twenty four. What they're called low propensity voters. They're not 0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:16.040 necessarily attached to the party structure, they did not like 0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.000 the way things were going under Biden, and they were 0:34:19.080 --> 0:34:23.200 part of Trump's winning coalition in twenty twenty four. And 0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.000 I think they're what the Vice president is concerned about 0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:32.200 is keeping those voters in a potential twenty twenty eight coalition. 0:34:32.840 --> 0:34:34.520 At the same time, I think some of the claims 0:34:34.520 --> 0:34:37.720 he made we're also ill founded. 0:34:38.239 --> 0:34:42.399 Is it possible? I argued with rom Emmanuel, there are 0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.480 factual errors in his speech. The United States was not 0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:48.440 around nineteen forty eight. Ike was actually very hard on them. 0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:50.959 In nineteen fifty six, we were absent in sixty seven. 0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.759 Nixon came in and saved Israel in seventy three, and 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:55.640 that's when the modern rule. So I was just wrong 0:34:55.719 --> 0:34:59.000 on fact. Is it possible? Jd Vance is playing to 0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:02.520 an esthetic Paul's among younger voters, which is it doesn't 0:35:02.520 --> 0:35:04.799 really matter what you say, but it matters where you 0:35:04.840 --> 0:35:07.200 say it, and that in the course of saying it, 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.839 you demonstrate that you're a real person who hasn't been 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:14.800 fabricated in an industrial sized turnout politicians assembly line. 0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.200 Well, I think there's absolutely a part of that. I 0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:22.080 think about the Joe Rogan experience. It's an incredibly successful 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:26.359 and popular podcast. Itself became an issue in the twenty 0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.279 twenty four campaign when President Trump sat for a three 0:35:29.280 --> 0:35:32.560 hour interview and Kamala Harris would not appear right because 0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.360 she didn't want to have to talk for that long. 0:35:36.120 --> 0:35:37.279 She wouldn't have been able to. 0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.840 So jd Vance is showing that he can be like 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.520 President Trump again, trying to maintain the winning coalition from 0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:48.440 twenty twenty four in these coming years ahead of twenty 0:35:48.480 --> 0:35:50.600 twenty eight, and then you also raise a good point 0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:53.839 with the younger generation. I mean, there's no question that 0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:58.280 the two parties are now polarized on the question of Israel. 0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:03.880 Younger voters, though as a whole they are it seems 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.000 to me to become our becoming as a whole more 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:12.200 skeptical of the US Israeli alliance. There's clearly rising anti 0:36:12.200 --> 0:36:13.719 Semitism among this generation. 0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:15.880 So if you want to kind. 0:36:15.719 --> 0:36:18.040 Of keep them in the coalition as well, you might 0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.680 be saying statements that you know that there's Israel, Israel's 0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:24.920 involved in an influenced campaign to undermine the mo OU 0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:29.600 when there's no real evidence of that. There are people 0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:31.759 who had criticisms of the MU and people who saw 0:36:31.760 --> 0:36:33.279 a ran for what it was. They were the ones 0:36:33.320 --> 0:36:36.719 who were saying that this MoU wuldn't work, and guess. 0:36:36.440 --> 0:36:37.680 What, it didn't. 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:40.880 But you might if you might want to say, look, 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:45.400 this is we don't need to have a stronger relationship 0:36:45.400 --> 0:36:47.759 with Israel as we have had in the past. If 0:36:47.800 --> 0:36:49.879 you want to kind of make sure that you have 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.160 connections and inroads to these to these younger voters. 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:57.520 I think that's very very sharp. Matt Continey and I 0:36:57.560 --> 0:37:01.040 look forward to listening to yesterday's comment podcast, on which 0:37:01.040 --> 0:37:03.280 I assume you were but I couldn't listen to it yesterday, 0:37:03.600 --> 0:37:06.120 and reading your Wall Street Journal expressions call him from today, 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.720 which again I'm behind today because of a variety of reasons, 0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:11.719 but I appreciate the time as always. Follow Matt on 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.759 exit Continetti, read him in the Wall Street Journal, hear 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:18.040 him on the Thursday episode of the Commentary podcast, and 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:20.160 Fridays and Tuesdays when we're lucky here on the New 0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:22.080 Hewitt Show. I may miss you next week. Matt. By 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:25.040 the way, I've got to go to Florida and we'll 0:37:25.120 --> 0:37:28.479 be guest hosts both of your days next week. Don't 0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:29.400 go anywhere, America. 0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:35.239 I ain't saying that you never too. Console on me. 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:39.040 Welcome back America, Morning, Glory, and even Grace. I'm Hugh HEWITTT. 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:42.120 And that is this week's quiz for Ben Dominant's opinion 0:37:42.200 --> 0:37:45.440 editor at The Daily Wire, Fox News contributor host of 0:37:45.480 --> 0:37:48.640 the Big Ben Podcast, trying to test and see if 0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:51.239 he actually knows any about new music. Ben, you know 0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:52.879 that is a lot. 0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.840 That is that it's mac something, isn't. 0:37:58.640 --> 0:37:59.400 It It is? 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:03.160 Oh, that's a half point Max mcgowon mcdown all right. 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.680 Sorry, said there's not a lot of musicians neared Max. 0:38:07.840 --> 0:38:11.640 You know, Matt Connanny didn't even play. He didn't even 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:13.640 try and get in on the game. So you're much 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:17.040 that's probably because of your wife, right, she's the country person. Right. 0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:21.880 Actually, you'd be surprised by by by my playlist. I would, 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:25.839 I would thank you, Hewitt. But yes, I've I've heard 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:29.800 this and and I can't always name, you know, the 0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:31.839 country song if you kind of you need to listen 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:33.840 for a little bit to get something. But I did that. 0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.719 This one has come across my radar. So yes, all right, so. 0:38:37.080 --> 0:38:40.239 I got this is cultural. We'll get the politics. I 0:38:40.280 --> 0:38:43.960 can't remember the names of actresses who are under forty, 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.359 you know, I just they're gone and there they come, 0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:48.920 like in the Lioness that we're watching it now and 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:51.040 the Fetching Missus. Hewett knows who every one of the 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:54.080 young stars are, and I have no idea. 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:55.040 Do you. 0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:01.440 Lionis is So it's that is actually one of the 0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:07.080 rare entries in the Taylor Sheridan cinematic universe. I should 0:39:07.080 --> 0:39:09.640 say that I am that I have not actually watched 0:39:09.760 --> 0:39:13.880 I know Kidmond's in it. But other than that, no, 0:39:14.680 --> 0:39:15.719 Nicole Kidman, isn't it. 0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:19.920 She's fabulous, as is everyone in the first two episodes 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:22.440 Grab You. But okay, so I'm glad, or at least 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:24.320 for one. For one, let's get to the serial. 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:25.920 I'll tell you. I'll tell you the thing. The thing 0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:29.200 that is true about this though, is that what's amazing 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.319 to me is that there are actresses that you know 0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:37.080 when you're my age, exclusively from trailers for movies that 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:40.560 you never see like I think I think a good 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:42.680 example of that. I mean, I've actually seen a lot 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:44.640 of movies with her because I think she's a good actress. 0:39:44.680 --> 0:39:46.759 But Margaret Qually is somebody who I think, you know, 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:48.360 I was having a conversation with the other day. I 0:39:48.440 --> 0:39:50.279 was like, how many actual movies have you seen with 0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:53.520 her in it? And they were like, uh, she's in 0:39:53.520 --> 0:39:55.719 the Tarantina one for that I've met. 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:58.560 You're a millennial though, right, You're you and your spouse 0:39:58.600 --> 0:39:59.440 are millennials. 0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:00.520 Truly millennial? 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.759 Yes? Yeah, and so what's that? What I got to 0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:05.000 ask the other day is who are going to be 0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.440 the opinion makers among the next generation? Now? I know 0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:09.480 gen X pretty well I know the millennials pretty well. 0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:11.759 I don't know that anyone's risen to the top in 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:14.040 gen Z, has anyone. 0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:17.200 The only people who've risen to the top in gen Z, 0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:21.560 I would argue to this point, have been video creators 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:25.160 and influencers, and some of those I think have been 0:40:25.239 --> 0:40:28.480 quite you know, creative and an innovative. Nick Sureley would 0:40:28.480 --> 0:40:32.120 be a good example of that. There are people. I 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:33.799 think the people who are going to rise to the 0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.840 top are the people who are already demonstrating a capacity 0:40:36.880 --> 0:40:40.879 for doing something more than offering opinions. Namely they're doing 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.560 reported opinions and the like, or they're digging into things. 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.239 But look, it is it's it's a it's a it's 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:50.600 a generation, a zoomer generation that I am. You know, 0:40:51.080 --> 0:40:54.480 we have multiple staffers now staffers, not just interns, who 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:57.399 were born after nine to eleven, and and I sit 0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:00.560 down with them on regular occasion to do what we 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:04.120 call nineties lunch, and we talked through various things that happened, 0:41:04.440 --> 0:41:06.880 you know, before they were born, basically that led up 0:41:06.880 --> 0:41:08.520 to the world that they were in. And they'd say 0:41:08.560 --> 0:41:10.680 all sorts of interesting things. For instance, you know, one 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.040 of them last week was saying, I had no idea 0:41:13.040 --> 0:41:15.680 that Bill Clinton was so charming, and indeed he was, 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.719 Oh yeah, gaps to fill there. 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:23.239 Okay, you work among a very young demo, and so 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:25.560 I'll ask the same question I asked of John Ellis. 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.800 John is always on Salem News Channel with his books 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.600 behind him. And when John and I are bout Boomers 0:41:31.640 --> 0:41:34.600 and we're growing up, there's like three networks and they're 0:41:34.640 --> 0:41:37.200 usually running bad stuff. So you read and you read, 0:41:37.239 --> 0:41:39.040 and you read and you read. You read comic books, 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:40.920 and then you read thrillers and you read Ludlam and 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:44.200 then you read history. And all you did was read, read, read, read, read. 0:41:44.640 --> 0:41:48.920 That's going away, Ben, Nobody reads the way that the 0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:52.120 boomers read because we had nothing else to do. What's 0:41:52.160 --> 0:41:55.520 that going to do to the political talent in America? 0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:57.799 This is the thing that I think is going to 0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:00.239 happen from that. And I actually can use a again 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:04.680 my own fellow junior staffers, who are who are you know? 0:42:04.719 --> 0:42:06.919 Obviously if you come and work for the Daily Wire 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:08.640 or something like that, you are someone who has the 0:42:08.680 --> 0:42:11.760 ambition to work you know potentially in the media political 0:42:11.760 --> 0:42:15.080 field that the thing that is marked about them is 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:17.879 they are always asking me for book recommendations. I've given 0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:20.920 books to each of our younger staff good in the office. 0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.480 Uh and and they're different books, you know, based on 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:27.239 there In fact, this might amuse you. I gave the 0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:32.279 John Pudortz's book, Uh, Hell of a Ride about the 0:42:32.640 --> 0:42:34.680 Bush Campaign to somebody to the other day. I gave 0:42:34.719 --> 0:42:36.879 a copy of Primary Colors to somebody the other day. 0:42:37.000 --> 0:42:38.239 Oh, very good, Joe Klein. 0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:41.920 Yeah, so you know, it's not you're not just I 0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:43.759 think you have to ease them into, you know, the 0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:46.160 point where they're reading Orienti Flacci, or they're you know, 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:48.080 or they're going back and you know, so what was 0:42:48.120 --> 0:42:50.680 this Christopher Hitchins guy about or something like that. 0:42:51.080 --> 0:42:53.759 Well, I read deeply in British history. I mean, I 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:56.400 know British history, and I'm just I'm finishing a new 0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:01.480 book on Oliver Cromwell and Charles Second because it's something 0:43:01.520 --> 0:43:03.880 I grew up with. It became a passion because it 0:43:03.960 --> 0:43:07.160 was kind of interesting and weird. I don't think anybody 0:43:07.200 --> 0:43:08.480 does that anymore. 0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:08.399 Do they? 0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:11.760 You know, I think it takes a while for people 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:13.840 to get into that. One of our younger staffers, I 0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:16.440 think that this would be of interest to you is 0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:19.640 actually someone who basically wants to read every book that's 0:43:19.640 --> 0:43:23.240 about Richard Nixon and right now is you know, I've 0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:25.719 given him a couple and I think that you know, 0:43:25.960 --> 0:43:28.680 he's he's very you know, he's fascinated by a certain 0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:31.040 period in history. I think that this is going to 0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:35.280 be the differentiator going forward. If you are a zoomer 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:39.640 who manages to still take time to actually read books, 0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:41.880 to not just live on the Internet, to not just 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:44.719 live in the world of Instagram reels and TikTok and 0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:47.560 x and everything else, that is going to be the 0:43:47.640 --> 0:43:50.239 thing that separates you from other people because you will 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:53.760 have the capacity for not just you know, historical knowledge, 0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:57.600 but I think deep thought about the differences between those things. 0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:00.400 You're completely right by the way. When I was growing up, 0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:03.360 my family didn't have cable, you know, we didn't you know, 0:44:03.400 --> 0:44:05.920 we had the limited networks, and so you know, I 0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.799 literally worked at the local library and I would take 0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:10.000 the time at the end of the day to you know, 0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:12.440 take all of a stack of books and that kind 0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.960 of thing. That's it's a it was a mark then 0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:18.080 of just sort of starting early today, I think it's 0:44:18.080 --> 0:44:21.879 a mark of standing out within a generation that yeatistically 0:44:22.520 --> 0:44:24.360 is just not reading books the way that they ought to. 0:44:24.520 --> 0:44:26.439 It will be an enormous advantage. And by the way, 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:29.080 I hope you tell that young staffer. Although it's not 0:44:29.280 --> 0:44:33.280 much loved by Nixon people, Nixon Agonisties by Gary Wills 0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.920 is a left wingers view of Richard Nixon, which is wrong, 0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:39.919 but it's good and it's good to have that kind 0:44:39.920 --> 0:44:43.680 of a I spent last week and at Lacasa Pacific 0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:47.719 a one hundredth anniversary celebration, so I was deep into 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.040 Nixon world last weekend. So I'm glad to hear that 0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.600 you've got one set in my way. If they ever 0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:54.399 wanted to be a guest on The Uwitt Show, we'll 0:44:54.400 --> 0:44:55.160 talk about that. 0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:55.640 Absolutely. 0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:57.680 No, let's get to the Let get to the news. 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:02.600 There is an airlift. I'm watching the live stream tracking 0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:05.840 the United States Air Force airlip. It's massive. Ben. What 0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:07.440 do you think we're going to do over the weekend 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:08.160 in Irun? 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:13.759 You know, Hugh, I'm reluctant to guess, only because I 0:45:13.800 --> 0:45:16.200 feel like I've been wrong on your program so many 0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:18.640 times when I thought the President was going to lean 0:45:18.800 --> 0:45:21.719 so hard into them but I still think that that 0:45:21.920 --> 0:45:24.480 is the case right now. I think he's fed up, 0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:28.279 he is set up with this situation. And you know, look, 0:45:28.440 --> 0:45:31.040 I think and we can talk a little bit about 0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:32.480 what the Vice President did when he went on Joe 0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.840 Rogan this week, but the MLU is in the past. 0:45:35.239 --> 0:45:37.240 It's in the rear view mirror. It was a punt 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:40.560 that that potentially had some kind of squeaky way that 0:45:40.640 --> 0:45:43.200 it might have worked. A lot of us who were skeptical, 0:45:43.560 --> 0:45:45.480 I think we're proven right by the actions of the 0:45:45.520 --> 0:45:49.000 Iranians since then, and there is just no defending it anymore. 0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.520 And there's there's just nothing. I mean, look, I heard 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.319 the words from from Tom I heard the quotes from 0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.440 Tom Cotton about this, and I agree with them. You know, 0:45:57.520 --> 0:46:00.600 it's just not it is not a situation that is 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:02.880 in any way stable. We have to, you know. And 0:46:02.880 --> 0:46:04.840 then this is something that I think I appreciate it 0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:08.799 from Cotton because I think it's important to redefine the 0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.560 nature of what victory looks like right now for voters 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:16.439 and people who are listening and people you know who 0:46:16.800 --> 0:46:19.120 basically kind of tuned this out at some point and 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.680 then and have this vague idea that we are losing, 0:46:22.920 --> 0:46:26.000 which we are not. But also, you know, we aren't 0:46:26.000 --> 0:46:29.000 winning like we haven't been. You know, we've accomplished great things, 0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:31.399 but but what does victory look like? And I think 0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.760 that that's something that Republicans need to understand. They should 0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.239 be defining and then saying here's what we need to 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:38.520 do to achieve this. This is the goal that we have. 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:42.719 And that gets rid of the accusation from both right 0:46:42.760 --> 0:46:45.400 and left that this is going to be some you know, 0:46:45.840 --> 0:46:49.520 forever war situation, boots on the ground in a ran situation. 0:46:49.760 --> 0:46:51.800 That is not you know, what we're trying to do here, 0:46:51.880 --> 0:46:54.960 and that's not something that is part of you know, 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:57.879 the president's overall approach to foreign policy. It's never been 0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.440 part of it. And so instead, I think it's important 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:02.960 to say, look, this is our definition of what victory 0:47:03.000 --> 0:47:04.600 looks like. We think we're going to have to take 0:47:04.640 --> 0:47:07.200 these additional steps in order to achieve it. It is achievable, 0:47:07.239 --> 0:47:08.080 and we're going to do it. 0:47:08.800 --> 0:47:10.640 I hope he does that. I wish he had done 0:47:10.640 --> 0:47:12.359 it last night. During the break, we're going to talk 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:15.040 about two speech or a speech and an interview Ron 0:47:15.040 --> 0:47:18.200 Emmanuel and JD. Vance because they were both talking to 0:47:19.239 --> 0:47:23.640 perceived political groups of influence within their party, I think, 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:25.960 but we'll compare and contrast. But in the meantime, Senator 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:28.960 Cotton said, we need to destroy their military ability to 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:32.000 project for us, and that includes threatening the straight down 0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:34.520 me and regime change could mean the collapse follows. But 0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:37.279 that's doable, Ben, thirty seconds of the break, don't you 0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:38.040 think that's doable. 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.080 It is doable, and it's by doing the things that 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:43.359 we haven't done yet, which we've target, which we've talked 0:47:43.400 --> 0:47:47.359 about before, the targets that we have not hit and 0:47:47.480 --> 0:47:50.080 decided not to hit because of you know, frankly, I 0:47:50.120 --> 0:47:51.759 think there was this window where they were trying to 0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.359 get a deal done. Now that's over and so now 0:47:54.360 --> 0:47:55.080 you got to hit it. 0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.640 We'll be right back with Ben during the break and 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.520 after the break, don't go anywre America. But I'm back 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:02.719 with Ben Dominic now. Ben, I have not seen the 0:48:02.800 --> 0:48:05.360 Vice President's interview with Joe Rogan, and I refuse to 0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:07.680 watch clips because they can be manipulated. So I'm going 0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:08.640 to have to make the time. 0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:11.040 I guess, Yeah, I would encourage you to do so. 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:13.880 And yes again whenever The danger by the way of 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:16.280 going on Joe Rogan, and this has to drive political 0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.160 consultants crazy, is that you end up talking for two 0:48:19.200 --> 0:48:21.799 and a half three hours, and that can be completely 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.279 manipulated or taken out of context in ways that are 0:48:24.280 --> 0:48:26.080 completely unfair to the person being here. 0:48:26.239 --> 0:48:28.719 That's why I won't watch the clips because I don't 0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:30.840 even know if they're real, much less in context. But 0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:35.440 we have these two parallel events. Rama Manuel ambassador of Japan, 0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.520 Mayor of Chicago, chief of staff to President Obama, powerful 0:48:38.520 --> 0:48:41.840 member of Congress, the Emmanuel family is powerful in many ways. 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.680 He goes to Israel, gives a speech blasting BB and 0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:48.280 Israel and warning them. Jade Evance goes on Joe Rogan 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:50.600 and I don't know what he does yet, but I've 0:48:50.640 --> 0:48:53.760 seen stories that allege he's done a lot of things 0:48:53.840 --> 0:48:56.880 on the How do you compare those two presentations? And 0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:58.919 we're going to go into the next segment as well, 0:48:58.960 --> 0:48:59.880 so take your time. 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:01.200 You know. 0:49:01.280 --> 0:49:04.799 The thing that I'll focus on the road interview first, 0:49:04.840 --> 0:49:08.840 just because it seems to me that the Vice president 0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:14.160 is trying to achieve something with this interview, that he's 0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.720 trying to achieve multiple goals, he's trying to humanize himself, 0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:19.560 which I think he does quite well. But I think 0:49:19.600 --> 0:49:24.200 he's also trying to reshape the narrative around this MLU 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:27.240 and the people who were criticizing him over it, because 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:31.280 I think he views this, you know, correctly, as being 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:36.840 his first major sojourn into foreign policy where he really 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:40.200 owned something within the administration or was viewed as it's 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:43.480 leading champion, and it didn't work out, and so now 0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.160 he's trying to, I think, you know, reframe this thing. 0:49:46.600 --> 0:49:49.719 The thing that bothered me, I think it was You 0:49:49.719 --> 0:49:52.560 can pick different things out about it, but I still 0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:54.920 think it is disingenuous to sort of paint this as 0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:57.480 being a deal that went bad because of any actions 0:49:57.520 --> 0:49:59.880 on the part of Israel or people who support Israel 0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:02.560 or those who you know, view US as having a 0:50:02.560 --> 0:50:04.960 close alliance with Israel. I did think it was it 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:07.520 was funny that he did something that a lot of 0:50:07.560 --> 0:50:09.320 people who I think are in the kind of moderate 0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:12.239 can't do when they're talking about foreign policy, which he said, 0:50:12.440 --> 0:50:15.000 you know, why can't we just have a relationship with Israel, 0:50:15.160 --> 0:50:18.120 which is like our relationship with England and France. Number one, 0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.040 have you checked our relationship with England and France free 0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:24.080 because it's not actually that good. In fact, I would 0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:26.160 put Japan, South Korea, you know. 0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:31.440 Oh boy, yeah, yes, there are a number of nations 0:50:31.480 --> 0:50:34.080 I would say before we get to ten Downing Street. 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:38.680 So I look, you know, we can we can discuss that. 0:50:39.000 --> 0:50:42.040 Set that aside. But look, I think that the mistake 0:50:42.080 --> 0:50:44.520 that the vice president is kind of making here is 0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:47.920 one that says that he's kind of trying to appeal 0:50:47.960 --> 0:50:50.440 to the same people over and over. And those are 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.879 the people who listen to these who listen to these 0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:56.480 podcasts primarily. And I think that the vice president has 0:50:56.520 --> 0:51:00.600 the capacity, he's shown it before, to adapt and to 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:02.719 reach across lines that he couldn't have crossed. He said 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:05.000 all sorts of terrible things about Trump even after he 0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.440 was first elected president, and he ended up as his 0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:10.000 vice president. This is a guy who has canny knowledge 0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:12.239 about politics. You don't get to you know, you don't 0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:14.680 get to that point without having it. I think that 0:51:14.760 --> 0:51:17.560 he is operating here though with an attitude that it's 0:51:17.640 --> 0:51:19.600 just a little bit too online. And so I wrote 0:51:19.600 --> 0:51:21.520 a piece this week at The Daily Wire. The trend 0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.319 right now for for millennial parents is to give their 0:51:24.400 --> 0:51:27.640 kids a nineties summer, to send them outside a ton more, 0:51:27.760 --> 0:51:30.120 you know, get rid of screens, you know, less and 0:51:30.200 --> 0:51:33.280 less time with content that's been made since the nineties, 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:36.279 and let them have more freedom. I think the Vice 0:51:36.280 --> 0:51:39.160 president needs a break from being online all interesting. 0:51:39.239 --> 0:51:42.000 We'll come back to come back online just a moment, 0:51:42.120 --> 0:51:54.280 stand by Ben, Welcome back America. Not happy music, happy 0:51:54.360 --> 0:51:56.960 Jack for Ben Dominic. Making sure that he knows, we 0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:59.040 know he likes the who. We'll give him some old 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:04.439 stuff Ben. When Jad goes on Joe Rogan, I think 0:52:04.440 --> 0:52:06.799 he's making an aesthetic. I haven't even read it yet 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.400 or seen it. I think he's just making a statement 0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:12.400 that I can do Joe Rogan to the youngs. Do 0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:13.440 you think that's part of it. 0:52:13.960 --> 0:52:16.279 I think it's a major part of it. He's basically saying, Hey, 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.359 the flex here is I have the capacity to sit 0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:23.000 down and speak intelligently about all these different topics with 0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:27.800 the guy who basically, you know. My favorite comparison of 0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:31.480 the Rogan is that he interviews somebody as if he 0:52:31.600 --> 0:52:36.000 is like a Mongol warlord from the steps. He's just 0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:42.640 no conception. You know, mothers, why tree is so tall 0:52:42.760 --> 0:52:45.640 explains Joe. You know that kind of thing, which is 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:49.959 which is actually I think a talent to a certain degree. 0:52:50.040 --> 0:52:52.480 It's it's something that uh, you know, I think if 0:52:52.480 --> 0:52:54.719 we still had it, uh you know, would would. 0:52:54.719 --> 0:52:56.920 I hear there are a lizard people under the trees? 0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:00.399 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly so. But the other thing 0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.200 that I think he's doing there is, you know, he's 0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:06.000 sending a I think he's trying to send a message 0:53:06.000 --> 0:53:09.200 about sort of how he will be different than this 0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.840 current Trump administration. That's the part of this that I 0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:15.960 don't like, because I feel like he's almost he's just 0:53:16.080 --> 0:53:19.759 jumped ahead. He's acting as if he's the candidate, as 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.600 if he's potentially, you know, just like I'm the foregone 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:25.879 conclusion of the nominee, and I'm telling you the kind 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.000 of very very dangerous I would have, and that is 0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:29.040 very very dangerous. 0:53:29.040 --> 0:53:32.120 You got that blank on your left. It's not left wing, 0:53:32.239 --> 0:53:35.440 it's a left flank of the right wing. And that's 0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:38.479 that's open. Give me at least two minutes on ram 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:42.319 Emanuel Ben because I think that was a watermark, a 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:45.600 high water mark of anti Israel sentiment in the Democratic Party. 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:47.959 When you get the Mayor of Israel. Rama Manuel's father 0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:50.080 fought in the War of Liberation in nineteen forty eight 0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:53.560 to save the State of Israel. To get him to 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:57.160 basically hammer baby, but he's really hamming all, hammering all 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.680 because then it's not going to be different. Isisinkott's not 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:01.600 going to be different. They're not going to withdraw them 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:04.080 the West Bank. So he's just beating them up with 0:54:04.160 --> 0:54:04.680 all of them. 0:54:05.320 --> 0:54:07.920 No, And I think that you're correct about this, and 0:54:07.960 --> 0:54:11.880 it really the sadness about this to me is that 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.640 I really do believe that Israel is very close and 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:20.120 we've seen it happen with with domestic issues in the past, Hugh, 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:23.840 when it came to the you know, the NRA, and 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:26.040 when it came to the pro life issue. There were 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:29.200 there have been points in our lifetimes when that was 0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:32.080 something that was a bipartisan issue where you could get 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:34.640 people on board, you could get people from the other 0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:38.520 side to come across. I truly feel like this that 0:54:38.680 --> 0:54:42.200 Israel has unfortunately ended up in a space despite all 0:54:42.200 --> 0:54:45.040 the efforts that the people who have funded different candidates 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:48.239 and tried to work, you know, have tried to do, 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.759 you know, within American domestic politics, they are becoming a 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.799 monopartisan issue, and that is a dangerous place to be 0:54:55.400 --> 0:54:58.520 as a country, regardless of what that country is like, 0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:02.279 and particularly when it comes to Israel. So look, I 0:55:02.400 --> 0:55:05.600 am depressed by what I am seeing. I hope that 0:55:05.600 --> 0:55:08.040 there's going to be some pushback against it. We will 0:55:08.080 --> 0:55:12.920 see what comes out in terms of the remaining primaries, 0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:15.040 especially Michigan. But I think that one of the things 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:18.560 that we can take away from the last essentially a 0:55:18.600 --> 0:55:22.239 couple of years that have followed October seventh, is that 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:24.960 the shift that has happened among young people in America 0:55:25.040 --> 0:55:29.239 and therefore more sizeable among the Democrats than the Republicans, 0:55:29.600 --> 0:55:33.200 has turned Israel into a monopartisan issue where even people 0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:37.440 who have supported it in the past have have frankly 0:55:38.080 --> 0:55:41.160 a slowing willingness to say anything publicly. They try to 0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:43.719 keep their heads down. And you saw that vote, I 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:45.680 mean play out in the House when it came to 0:55:45.760 --> 0:55:49.040 Thomas Matthew's proposal, The idea that you would have one 0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:52.080 hundred plus Democrats, you know, going along with that. You know, 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:55.000 it just it boggles the mind of the way that 0:55:55.040 --> 0:55:55.640 they used. 0:55:55.440 --> 0:55:58.640 To be deeply troubling as it's our most important strategic 0:55:58.719 --> 0:56:01.759 ally got nothing to do with religious tradition, nothing to 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:04.479 do with anything else. We need them. They project power 0:56:04.520 --> 0:56:06.040 and they have the will to do so, and they're 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:09.279 on our team. Ben Dominich from The Daily Wire Fox 0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:12.120 News contributor the Big Ben Podcast, Thank you, my friend 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:15.239 fallow them on x at b Dominich. My friends, you've 0:56:15.280 --> 0:56:18.480 probably seen the headlines are worse your latest bill, Big 0:56:18.520 --> 0:56:20.920 Wireless is raising rates again. 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So have you heard that from 0:59:08.760 --> 0:59:09.840 other Silva addicts? 0:59:11.760 --> 0:59:12.080 Uh? 0:59:12.120 --> 0:59:12.320 You know. 0:59:12.520 --> 0:59:15.520 I actually last evening I was doing an event in 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:20.080 suburban Philadelphia and one of the audience members was questioning 0:59:20.160 --> 0:59:24.040 me about the complexity of the of the plot and 0:59:24.080 --> 0:59:27.560 how it sort of seemed to effortlessly tie together in 0:59:27.600 --> 0:59:29.960 the end, and how did I do that given the 0:59:30.000 --> 0:59:32.920 fact that I don't outline my books to begin with, 0:59:33.520 --> 0:59:37.200 And it was interesting trying to explain it. But yeah, 0:59:37.320 --> 0:59:42.480 it's a it's a It is a fast paced, uh 0:59:42.720 --> 0:59:43.320 summer read. 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:44.760 It's really entertaining. 0:59:45.200 --> 0:59:49.680 It's part kidnap drama, it is part global thriller, uh. 0:59:49.720 --> 0:59:52.000 And it does deal with one of the most you know, 0:59:52.080 --> 0:59:53.680 serious challenges facing. 0:59:53.520 --> 0:59:54.320 The West right now. 0:59:54.320 --> 0:59:58.040 We all know that Russia is waiting a warf conquest 0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.640 in Ukraine, but it's less well known is that Russia 1:00:00.720 --> 1:00:04.880 is engaged in a years long campaign of sabotage and 1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:08.920 subversion against the countries of Western Europe, and one of 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:13.040 their most effective weapons in their arsenals right now are drones. 1:00:14.000 --> 1:00:17.120 So I want people to understand Daniel Silva knows the 1:00:17.160 --> 1:00:21.320 GRU which is the old military intelligence KGB, being the 1:00:22.360 --> 1:00:24.880 equivalent of the CIA and the military intelligence being like 1:00:24.960 --> 1:00:28.760 our Defense Intelligence agency, and the GRU as you describe it, 1:00:28.880 --> 1:00:33.440 Daniel Silva is the brute the brute force operation and 1:00:33.480 --> 1:00:37.120 they're not subtle. And MI I six doesn't like them, 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:39.439 or at least the folks out at the cottage don't 1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:41.120 like them as much as they like the KGB. 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:46.200 I wouldn't say that they like the KGB, you know, 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:52.560 the KGB is. The SVR is the equivalent of the CIA. Now. 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:56.080 During Soviet times it was almost. 1:00:55.800 --> 1:00:58.240 Its own separate state in a way, and it had 1:00:58.360 --> 1:01:02.960 border functions, internal secuit ccurity functions, had I forget how 1:01:02.960 --> 1:01:05.920 many directorates there were of the old of the old KGV. 1:01:06.080 --> 1:01:10.360 But now the new SVR is the foreign intelligence operator. 1:01:10.360 --> 1:01:14.360 By the way, it does its fair share of wet 1:01:14.440 --> 1:01:19.640 work and other special operations. But the GRU, specifically Unit 1:01:19.680 --> 1:01:24.200 two nine five of the gr U, is really a sledgehammered. 1:01:24.480 --> 1:01:28.560 It has one mission, and that is to destroy liberal 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:33.600 democracy as we know it. Vlaimir Putin views the very 1:01:33.680 --> 1:01:38.800 existence of democratic I'm saying small L, small D liberal 1:01:38.840 --> 1:01:42.760 democratic regime countries in the West as an existential threat 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:47.160 to Russia, and he is trying to do everything possible 1:01:47.200 --> 1:01:52.920 to undermine and subvert them and destroy them, destroy NATO. 1:01:53.200 --> 1:01:56.400 And in the short term though, he's trying to punish 1:01:56.880 --> 1:02:03.680 the countries that have provided aid and sustenance to Ukraine. 1:02:03.960 --> 1:02:05.760 And I tell you a top at the top of 1:02:05.800 --> 1:02:09.880 his list, Britain is always there, but the country of Denmark. 1:02:10.720 --> 1:02:14.200 He has a special loathing for Denmark. I thought that 1:02:14.320 --> 1:02:15.120 Denmark crazy. 1:02:15.800 --> 1:02:19.480 That came I did the capabilities of our Western European allies. 1:02:20.200 --> 1:02:22.080 During the longer part of this what you'll play in 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:24.920 two weeks. I'll put on the podcast immediately. For Silva 1:02:24.920 --> 1:02:26.800 addicts who want to get a teaser, then go get 1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:29.320 Ransom and read it. You can get the podcast today 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:31.919 and then after I'm back next week. The week after 1:02:31.960 --> 1:02:34.400 we'll play the rest of this interview. But I want 1:02:34.400 --> 1:02:37.360 to read you from your pastoring Act quote page two fourteen. 1:02:37.960 --> 1:02:41.400 Remember you must never, under any circumstances despair, to hope 1:02:41.440 --> 1:02:44.440 and do act. These are our duties in misfortune. How 1:02:44.440 --> 1:02:46.560 long have you been waiting to use that? In a 1:02:46.800 --> 1:02:47.960 Gabrael Alan novel? 1:02:49.080 --> 1:02:50.720 You know it appeared in it. 1:02:51.160 --> 1:02:54.720 It was the epigraph actually for the collector. Yes, and 1:02:54.760 --> 1:03:00.080 I reprised it. I reprised it in this circumstance to you. 1:03:01.320 --> 1:03:04.880 You know that the I don't. I don't want to give. 1:03:04.760 --> 1:03:07.040 Too much away, but it's the character named Alice Winter 1:03:07.200 --> 1:03:10.800 is a very important character in this novel, and I 1:03:10.960 --> 1:03:14.800 wanted to you know, she comes across as as someone 1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:17.880 who's just sort of interested in being rich and a 1:03:17.880 --> 1:03:22.160 social media influencer. And then but actually when we get 1:03:22.160 --> 1:03:25.040 to know her a little better, she's a highly intelligent person. 1:03:25.120 --> 1:03:29.520 And she used that quote, so I repriased it for 1:03:29.640 --> 1:03:31.640 fans of that previous book, and I. 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:33.120 Want people to look forward to you. I'm not going 1:03:33.200 --> 1:03:36.200 to tell you much about the character, but there is Oscar, 1:03:36.680 --> 1:03:39.400 and Oscar sort of like the new Goat that you 1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:42.640 know from all the gabriel Al novels. So Oscar is 1:03:42.680 --> 1:03:45.440 there for a little bit of fun. I want to 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:48.920 know though in the short segment we have to it 1:03:48.920 --> 1:03:51.880 a half minutes left. Is Proteus real? I've asked you 1:03:51.920 --> 1:03:54.000 that before, but I can't remember what your answer is. 1:03:54.080 --> 1:03:55.920 That's a way to happen on your phone. 1:03:57.880 --> 1:03:58.760 Yes, it is real. 1:03:58.800 --> 1:04:04.240 I gave it a different name, uh and a different company, but. 1:04:04.280 --> 1:04:07.800 Yes, the way it's used is. 1:04:09.880 --> 1:04:13.400 A little different. But you know, look malware, which is 1:04:13.400 --> 1:04:16.560 what it is. It's very very common now. You know, 1:04:16.840 --> 1:04:19.480 we can't live without our phones, but if it were 1:04:19.560 --> 1:04:22.800 up to me, I would I would not have one anymore. 1:04:22.840 --> 1:04:24.120 These things they. 1:04:23.960 --> 1:04:27.560 Have our life on them, and it's so easy to 1:04:27.680 --> 1:04:30.800 turn it into just a little spy that follows you around. 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:33.960 To trust me, Everyone in China their their phones are 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:39.520 hacked by the government, and so you know that capability 1:04:40.120 --> 1:04:42.320 does exist to turn your phone into a full time 1:04:42.360 --> 1:04:46.040 surveillance device. So you're using the microphone to listen, you're 1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:49.200 using the camera to watch, You're reading text messages, you're 1:04:49.240 --> 1:04:54.160 reading emails, You're you're monitoring browsing, you're looking at location data. 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:58.320 You know, it's it's a it's a stunning amount of 1:04:58.360 --> 1:05:00.000 information that we carry around in our pocket. 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:00.840 It about ourselves. 1:05:01.360 --> 1:05:04.480 It is. In fact, you get so much tradecraft from ransom, 1:05:04.600 --> 1:05:09.320 especially new info on gate analysis, new info on surveillance techniques. 1:05:09.560 --> 1:05:11.360 Yet to read it, just to make yourself prepared. But 1:05:11.480 --> 1:05:14.000 it's a fabulous thriller. When I come back after breaking, 1:05:14.040 --> 1:05:16.000 I'll put it on the weekend pod. I'll play it 1:05:16.000 --> 1:05:17.280 in a week from now. We're going to get more 1:05:17.320 --> 1:05:19.760 deeper into the plot without giving anything away, But I 1:05:19.760 --> 1:05:22.320 want to tell the audience there is one perfect way 1:05:22.680 --> 1:05:26.280 to do this book. Get the hardcover and then indulge 1:05:26.280 --> 1:05:29.160 yourself and also get the audiobook. So I read the 1:05:29.200 --> 1:05:32.440 first three quarters in hard copy and then I got 1:05:32.480 --> 1:05:35.320 the audio book, and I've slowed myself down. I was 1:05:35.320 --> 1:05:38.800 obliged to slow myself down, and it's much better that 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:42.080 way to read the thriller? To me, has anyone else 1:05:42.080 --> 1:05:44.480 done that? Daniel Silva? We got one minute. Did anyone 1:05:44.560 --> 1:05:45.120 do it that way? 1:05:46.280 --> 1:05:46.720 I am? 1:05:46.800 --> 1:05:53.320 I am ever surprised to return to last night. Someone 1:05:53.320 --> 1:05:57.280 tells me that every year they do the print version 1:05:57.360 --> 1:05:58.200 and the audio version. 1:05:58.240 --> 1:06:01.480 I'm very lucky to have an extraordinary actor who does 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:05.160 the work on the books. And yes, so you're not alone. 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:07.920 I'm so glad. But it does work that way. You 1:06:07.920 --> 1:06:10.640 don't go too fast, you enjoy it. And this one 1:06:10.720 --> 1:06:14.440 is so riveting. Daniel Silva is Ransom everywhere, Number one 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:18.040 New York Times bestseller. Almost certainly keep listening to podcast 1:06:18.240 --> 1:06:20.120 or come back in two weeks and I'll play the 1:06:20.160 --> 1:06:23.320 rest of my interview with Daniel Silva. Stay tuned. I 1:06:23.360 --> 1:06:25.920 am back now with Daniel Silva, author of the brand 1:06:25.920 --> 1:06:29.520 new bestseller Ransom. I think it's his twenty fifth Gabriel 1:06:29.520 --> 1:06:32.960 Alon novel. I was describing it to the Fetching missus 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:36.840 Hewett last night as a mix between a college reunion 1:06:37.280 --> 1:06:39.600 and a funeral for a loved one, So that the 1:06:39.640 --> 1:06:41.480 funeral for the loved one you see some friends you 1:06:41.520 --> 1:06:44.000 only see like ones every twenty years, and then the 1:06:44.200 --> 1:06:46.720 college reunion you see them every five years. You're best friends. 1:06:46.720 --> 1:06:48.760 And then there's some characters you don't want to see. 1:06:49.040 --> 1:06:52.200 So a lot of people are back, some people are missing, 1:06:52.440 --> 1:06:54.480 some people are back. I'm not gonna give anything away, 1:06:54.800 --> 1:06:57.400 but when, since you don't write with an outline, do 1:06:57.520 --> 1:06:59.640 at least begin with the number of characters you want 1:06:59.680 --> 1:07:01.680 to bring back for this episode. 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:08.400 I don't want to correct the host that if you 1:07:08.400 --> 1:07:11.400 could believe it, it's the twenty sixth Gabriel Na. Oh 1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:15.280 my gosh, I know, I know, and it's my twenty night. 1:07:15.360 --> 1:07:17.480 So next year is a huge milestone here for me. 1:07:19.200 --> 1:07:24.440 Look I I I I have said this many many times. 1:07:24.440 --> 1:07:27.520 I shall say it again. I have tried to outline 1:07:27.520 --> 1:07:31.200 a book. It never doesn't work for me. The finished 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.760 product never looks the way the way I outlined it. 1:07:33.840 --> 1:07:36.240 So I always thought it was a waste of time. 1:07:36.280 --> 1:07:39.680 And what really happens is that I tend to think 1:07:39.720 --> 1:07:44.720 of my first draft as actually a very long, detailed outline, 1:07:44.760 --> 1:07:48.040 and then I turned that that that that first, that 1:07:48.120 --> 1:07:51.280 first draft, into a second draft and ultimately a third 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:53.880 and fourth draft, And that's that's how I do it. 1:07:55.240 --> 1:07:58.880 But I do think in this book, I'd say that 1:07:59.120 --> 1:08:02.680 I saw at least one hundred pages before I started writing. 1:08:03.760 --> 1:08:05.760 I didn't start with absolutely nothing. 1:08:05.680 --> 1:08:09.640 But by the time I finished the writing, finished the 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:11.960 first chapter, I had it all figured out. I knew 1:08:11.960 --> 1:08:14.680 what the twist was going to be at the end. 1:08:14.880 --> 1:08:18.720 So I figured this one out a little earlier than 1:08:18.760 --> 1:08:21.840 I sometimes do. Sometimes I like to just go for 1:08:21.920 --> 1:08:27.320 a ride with Gabriel and experience things through his point 1:08:27.360 --> 1:08:29.520 of view and work it out with him. 1:08:30.479 --> 1:08:33.200 I'll tell you, though, it's been game, and we're not 1:08:33.200 --> 1:08:34.639 going to tell people what the losen of the game 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:38.000 is with its references. It's like a World Cup summer 1:08:38.000 --> 1:08:40.760 book because it's got own gold and it's got a 1:08:40.840 --> 1:08:43.800 regulation play and the Lisban game. Was that on your 1:08:43.800 --> 1:08:47.559 mind when you were doing this, No, it wasn't. 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:50.240 But they are European characters. 1:08:50.280 --> 1:08:54.000 British characters, and so I did borrow some football terminology. 1:08:54.160 --> 1:08:57.360 I think own gold did get in there in regulation 1:08:57.520 --> 1:09:00.599 play got into it, but that was written law before 1:09:01.720 --> 1:09:02.320 the World Cup. 1:09:02.360 --> 1:09:04.439 Office. Okay, well it's nicely time I. 1:09:04.439 --> 1:09:05.880 Did borrow some SERMs. 1:09:06.080 --> 1:09:09.360 I do want to talk about something that we can discuss. 1:09:09.400 --> 1:09:12.280 Because it's an actual episode from history. We won't tell 1:09:12.320 --> 1:09:15.160 how it fits in. I had completely forgotten about the 1:09:15.160 --> 1:09:20.000 IRA mortar attack on Number ten Downing in nineteen ninety one. 1:09:20.000 --> 1:09:22.360 When John I had it had gone from my head, 1:09:22.840 --> 1:09:25.200 Daniel Silva, because you know, you sleep on one side 1:09:25.200 --> 1:09:28.720 long enough and everything drains out. How did was that 1:09:28.840 --> 1:09:30.599 on your mind when you sat down or did that 1:09:30.600 --> 1:09:33.200 come in the course of the Just something to educate 1:09:33.240 --> 1:09:33.960 the readers about. 1:09:35.280 --> 1:09:40.240 No, no, I mean I wanted to without giving too 1:09:40.320 --> 1:09:45.839 much away, you know this that aspect of the plot 1:09:46.439 --> 1:09:51.480 was inspired by a series of real life events last autumn. 1:09:51.640 --> 1:09:56.240 You will remember that that Copenhagen Airport was shut down 1:09:56.240 --> 1:09:59.680 for several hours by a drones form its last September. 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:04.880 They had to close the airport for six hours or so. 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:09.679 It resulted in a spillover of travel disruptions all across 1:10:09.720 --> 1:10:13.439 the continent. But in the days that followed there were 1:10:13.520 --> 1:10:18.400 drones swarms at other civilian airports and at Danish military bases. 1:10:18.720 --> 1:10:21.360 Danish Prime Minister was so alarmed by this situation that 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:25.439 she came this close to calling up the reserves. They 1:10:25.479 --> 1:10:28.640 never excused Russia flat out, but if you listen to 1:10:28.720 --> 1:10:32.439 their statements, it's clear that they believe and they know 1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:35.680 that Russia was behind it. And what what's interesting was 1:10:35.720 --> 1:10:39.360 that there was this previously scheduled emergency summit that was 1:10:39.400 --> 1:10:42.000 supposed to take place in Copenhagen just a couple of 1:10:42.080 --> 1:10:46.439 days after this, and the Danish intelligence service was so 1:10:46.600 --> 1:10:49.799 alarmed that the Russians were going to try to attack 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:53.240 the summit with drone that they closed the airspace. They 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:56.719 laid their hands on every drone kit at signal jammer 1:10:56.920 --> 1:10:59.360 anti drone kit, I should say a signal jammer they 1:10:59.360 --> 1:11:01.679 could lay their hand to try to protect that meeting. 1:11:02.080 --> 1:11:07.479 And that was the inspiration for the plot. And the 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:10.479 very important meeting that takes place in my novel takes 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:12.840 place at number ten, and I wanted to remind people 1:11:13.640 --> 1:11:18.040 that Number ten had been attacked before. John Major is 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:23.000 a dear friend and a longtime reader oh, and I 1:11:23.000 --> 1:11:28.960 slid a conference in there. Yes, he got back to 1:11:29.000 --> 1:11:32.680 me just a couple of days ago, and so he 1:11:32.760 --> 1:11:36.240 was there and he you know, he's in the cabinet 1:11:36.320 --> 1:11:41.360 room with his entire cabinet when that when that mortar hit, 1:11:41.560 --> 1:11:44.479 I mean, and windows blew out and everyone is diving 1:11:44.560 --> 1:11:45.200 under the table. 1:11:45.240 --> 1:11:45.439 And he. 1:11:47.080 --> 1:11:53.439 Reacted with such extraordinary calm in that moment, and I 1:11:53.479 --> 1:11:56.000 wanted to sort of pay tribute to him. But yeah, 1:11:56.040 --> 1:12:00.120 that's a real incident, and I referenced it for very 1:12:00.200 --> 1:12:01.040 specific reason. 1:12:01.560 --> 1:12:06.080 I wish that we had British prime ministers anywhere near 1:12:06.200 --> 1:12:08.320 like the British prime ministers you invent for your book, 1:12:08.360 --> 1:12:11.760 and like mister Major. In fact, you even got a 1:12:11.840 --> 1:12:15.320 wonderful complement of Margaret Margaret Thatcher in here. She has 1:12:15.400 --> 1:12:17.800 a touch of missus Thatcher. She scares me more than 1:12:17.840 --> 1:12:20.160 mister Thatcher. About a different European leader, and we won't 1:12:20.160 --> 1:12:24.400 say which country, but it's an invented European leader. I thought. 1:12:25.439 --> 1:12:28.759 The only thing we disagree about Daniel Silva about Russia 1:12:28.760 --> 1:12:32.839 because they're a menace, is that the breach in between 1:12:33.120 --> 1:12:38.120 America and NATA is real. But I think it's because 1:12:38.680 --> 1:12:41.439 they took their holiday from history longer than we did. 1:12:41.800 --> 1:12:45.760 I polled all the defense spending GDP numbers. Jeremy down 1:12:45.800 --> 1:12:48.840 to two point four percent. France is at below that. 1:12:50.160 --> 1:12:52.519 Finland's at two point nine percent. That's pretty good, the 1:12:52.560 --> 1:12:55.800 Netherlands at two point six percent. Great Britain's at two 1:12:55.880 --> 1:12:58.800 point three percent. They couldn't even get a destroyer to 1:12:58.880 --> 1:13:02.320 the c of Omni was the Persian golf. They got 1:13:02.320 --> 1:13:04.679 to get more serious about this because Putin's a killer. 1:13:07.240 --> 1:13:08.439 They are serious about this. 1:13:08.479 --> 1:13:13.000 If you I can't remember which chapter. 1:13:12.760 --> 1:13:18.160 It is, but you know, gosh, I'm gonna let that ring. 1:13:18.200 --> 1:13:24.360 Okay, But Graham Seymour is working on a document that 1:13:24.400 --> 1:13:28.599 he's about to deliver to the Joint Intelligence Committee, which 1:13:28.640 --> 1:13:32.519 is overseers of the British intelligence community, and he's telling 1:13:32.560 --> 1:13:36.080 them we will be at Russia in the very near future. 1:13:36.520 --> 1:13:40.439 And I put that in the book, and I debated 1:13:40.439 --> 1:13:41.400 it until the very end. 1:13:41.439 --> 1:13:42.679 I said, I'm leaving it in there. 1:13:42.960 --> 1:13:44.400 And I don't know if you'd noticed a piece in 1:13:44.439 --> 1:13:48.360 this in the Times of London last weekend that they've 1:13:48.520 --> 1:13:53.559 now European intelligence services and political leaders are in agreement. 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:55.559 It'll probably be will be in a shooting war by 1:13:55.560 --> 1:14:02.000 twenty thirty, Mark Ruta, the NATO General Secretary. If you 1:14:02.200 --> 1:14:03.920 read the quote at the end of the book talking 1:14:03.920 --> 1:14:06.360 about how this war is going to be, you know, 1:14:06.439 --> 1:14:09.360 along the lines of the ones that our grandsparents lived through, 1:14:09.680 --> 1:14:11.000 they are very. 1:14:11.160 --> 1:14:12.160 They are convinced. 1:14:12.320 --> 1:14:16.320 As soon as Putin is done in whatever fashion in Ukraine, 1:14:17.320 --> 1:14:19.800 his economy is a war economy. He can't make a 1:14:19.800 --> 1:14:23.400 transition back to a peacetime economy. There he is. He's 1:14:23.439 --> 1:14:27.000 going to continue with the wartime economy. He's going to 1:14:27.920 --> 1:14:31.640 rebuild his military and probably go straight for Estonia, and 1:14:31.680 --> 1:14:35.280 then then we're in the shooting war. And then what happens. 1:14:35.560 --> 1:14:37.600 Are we going to let him take it? Are we 1:14:37.720 --> 1:14:40.120 going to react? Are we going to be in a 1:14:40.160 --> 1:14:42.439 full fledged war? And will the United States be a 1:14:42.520 --> 1:14:44.160 part of that war? Interesting questions. 1:14:44.479 --> 1:14:46.360 I don't think we will let them take it. I 1:14:46.439 --> 1:14:49.759 believe that Poland, with its four point three percent GDP 1:14:49.960 --> 1:14:53.680 and Ukrainian technology, Lithuania is at four percent, be at 1:14:53.720 --> 1:14:56.800 three point seven, Estonia at three point four. I know, 1:14:56.880 --> 1:14:59.200 I just met with someone out in California, just came 1:14:59.280 --> 1:15:03.840 back from Latin, where our ambassador is at least Argiros. 1:15:04.280 --> 1:15:07.120 They're ready, I mean they're getting ready for this. And 1:15:07.200 --> 1:15:09.600 Poland may be the most prepared. Well, Finland is the 1:15:09.640 --> 1:15:14.400 most prepared NATO ally, so the Nordic country. The countries 1:15:14.439 --> 1:15:16.679 on the front line are ready, and Ukraine is invented 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:17.880 left the right. 1:15:19.120 --> 1:15:23.400 That's the key word front, the frontline countries. And the 1:15:23.479 --> 1:15:27.240 other thing that you said is Poland and and I 1:15:27.240 --> 1:15:31.160 think the Poles could probably beat the Russians practically single handedly. 1:15:30.800 --> 1:15:33.000 If all the all that. I was. 1:15:34.479 --> 1:15:37.599 Discussing this very issue with one of my advisors who 1:15:38.000 --> 1:15:41.000 helped me with the with the drone technology on this book. 1:15:41.000 --> 1:15:45.559 There's no way that the Russians are going to beat 1:15:45.960 --> 1:15:48.960 to leave the United States out of it. The European 1:15:49.000 --> 1:15:51.880 powers can handle them on their own right now. They 1:15:52.080 --> 1:15:55.000 are rearming. Yes, Brittain is lagging behind. They have the 1:15:55.160 --> 1:15:58.920 terrible economic situation, the politics are in disarrayed. But the 1:15:58.960 --> 1:16:03.800 frontline countries are ready to go and they're not gonna 1:16:03.880 --> 1:16:04.439 They're not going to. 1:16:04.479 --> 1:16:06.600 Be taken over by the Russians. 1:16:07.479 --> 1:16:10.200 That the question is will it stay will it stay conventional? 1:16:11.160 --> 1:16:12.200 What are your thoughts on that. 1:16:12.760 --> 1:16:16.879 I don't think Putin is so stupid. He has children, 1:16:17.040 --> 1:16:20.559 I always take some solos in the fact that they're 1:16:20.600 --> 1:16:23.840 atheists and they have children as opposed to Iranians who 1:16:23.920 --> 1:16:27.160 are millennial as twelve vers, and they don't really care 1:16:27.200 --> 1:16:30.840 if the world blows up and everyone else. The atheists 1:16:30.840 --> 1:16:33.400 that have children, all they have is the country to 1:16:33.439 --> 1:16:36.360 go forward. But it's the theocrat fanatics and Iran I 1:16:36.400 --> 1:16:38.840 worry about. I want to go back, though, to a 1:16:38.920 --> 1:16:42.240 couple of fun things in this book. Well, another World 1:16:42.240 --> 1:16:46.479 Cup reference or football reference in the European style. D 1:16:46.680 --> 1:16:49.360 I Peel gets to play in the Premier League. I 1:16:49.439 --> 1:16:52.360 was so happy to see him back, and I nurse 1:16:52.400 --> 1:16:54.799 in the back of my mind, you're going to start 1:16:55.000 --> 1:16:58.000 another series with d I Peel that can be made 1:16:58.000 --> 1:17:00.960 into a BBC series that goes for you know, a 1:17:01.000 --> 1:17:04.519 season at a time, like Shetland, which somebody watches in 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:08.160 the Silva household, right, either you or Jamie watch Shetland 1:17:08.160 --> 1:17:09.120 because it's in the book. 1:17:10.560 --> 1:17:12.040 We watch it side by side. 1:17:12.080 --> 1:17:16.639 We're Shetland addicts and I had to put a round bok. 1:17:17.080 --> 1:17:19.720 I thought it was great, so are we. And I 1:17:19.760 --> 1:17:22.679 also liked the fact a frequent guest on the program 1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:24.880 over the here has been Peter Baker. The only thing 1:17:24.920 --> 1:17:28.080 I found even slightly unbelievable that anyone in the Trump 1:17:28.120 --> 1:17:31.759 White House would leak to Peter Baker much less maybe 1:17:31.800 --> 1:17:34.559 they do. He's a fine reporter and he's never played 1:17:34.560 --> 1:17:37.360 a partisan game in his life, but his wife plays 1:17:37.360 --> 1:17:40.919 a partisan game. And so it's a it's an interesting 1:17:41.160 --> 1:17:43.360 bit of did Peter call you yet? 1:17:46.120 --> 1:17:49.920 Yes, Peter and are very good friends, very good friends. 1:17:49.760 --> 1:17:53.639 And I don't do that often. I don't name people 1:17:53.680 --> 1:17:58.040 by name. But I wanted to give a tip of 1:17:58.040 --> 1:17:59.680 the hat to Peter, so I let him break the 1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:02.280 news that there's going to be an important summit at 1:18:02.320 --> 1:18:05.720 Downing Street, that that the British were hoping to keep 1:18:05.800 --> 1:18:07.680 quiet for a couple more days. 1:18:08.120 --> 1:18:10.439 Well, let me ask you about And I learned things 1:18:10.560 --> 1:18:14.960 every time you write a book. A mountain set in Switzerland, 1:18:15.200 --> 1:18:18.519 inhabited by the or Off dragon, inhabited by the deathless 1:18:18.520 --> 1:18:21.439 soul of Pancha's pilot I have never heard of that 1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:23.519 in my life. Where did you find that? That's a 1:18:23.920 --> 1:18:27.599 legend in Christian myth? Where did that come from? 1:18:27.680 --> 1:18:32.000 Yeah, it's it's Pilatus, It's named for him. It's right 1:18:32.040 --> 1:18:40.080 near Interlockin. I wrote a biography of a speculative biography 1:18:40.080 --> 1:18:40.400 of of. 1:18:42.280 --> 1:18:43.840 Punches Pilots in the in. 1:18:43.800 --> 1:18:46.479 A book called The Order, And I did think I 1:18:46.520 --> 1:18:51.840 did reference that Pilotis in that. So you know, in 1:18:52.760 --> 1:19:00.400 early Christian literature, you know, Pilot was described as as 1:19:00.600 --> 1:19:04.720 as his deathless soul, that he for his eternal punishment 1:19:05.680 --> 1:19:09.719 was that he sort of wandered the woods of Europe, 1:19:11.280 --> 1:19:21.600 you know, you know, mortally grieving guilt, guilt written for 1:19:21.680 --> 1:19:22.719 what had happened. 1:19:23.479 --> 1:19:27.880 Jacob Marleyva books provided and so. 1:19:28.080 --> 1:19:31.360 But then one legend is that he inhabited he lived 1:19:31.479 --> 1:19:34.000 up up on the top of Mount Pilazzis up there, 1:19:34.000 --> 1:19:36.320 and people used to claim that they would see him 1:19:36.880 --> 1:19:40.360 sitting on a rock weeping in this this sort of 1:19:40.439 --> 1:19:44.840 sulfas spring up there. Anyway, that's Mount Pilazzis. Next time, 1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:47.679 next time you're interlock and it's right there. 1:19:48.520 --> 1:19:51.160 Well, where do you get your mountaineering, As I recall, 1:19:51.200 --> 1:19:54.200 you're not yourself a mountaineering I'm not. I've clibed one 1:19:54.280 --> 1:19:57.920 fourteen thousand foot peak and I called it Quitch Mount 1:19:57.920 --> 1:20:01.000 Sherman in Colorado's that's too hard. Where do you learn 1:20:01.040 --> 1:20:03.640 your mountaineering stuff? Because that that figures. 1:20:03.240 --> 1:20:05.920 In the well. 1:20:06.000 --> 1:20:09.800 Christopher Keller is a world class mountaineer, and that's been 1:20:09.880 --> 1:20:13.519 referenced in his character from the beginning. Uh And so 1:20:13.640 --> 1:20:16.719 you know, I I try to find, you know, first 1:20:16.760 --> 1:20:22.360 person accounts by by mountaineers of specific climbs, and so 1:20:22.479 --> 1:20:24.720 Christopher lived for many years. Of course, of course it 1:20:24.920 --> 1:20:29.519 actually has some serious mountains on it. And so you know, 1:20:29.680 --> 1:20:31.880 I approach it like any other aspect of the book. 1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:33.320 I try to I try to get it right. 1:20:33.360 --> 1:20:35.800 And some someday I'm going to write a book with 1:20:35.920 --> 1:20:39.800 Christopher that uh uh, maybe steal a little bit of 1:20:39.840 --> 1:20:43.679 the Igres section and write Nearing Thriller was one. 1:20:43.600 --> 1:20:46.400 Of my earliest weathers. It's really one of the. 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:50.439 Greatest fabulous of all time. He was fabulous. He was 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:54.320 just an extraordinary writer. Travallion to let me. 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:59.040 Go then to a sapling Harry Wilson, now Daniel Silva 1:20:59.080 --> 1:21:03.280 doesn't introduce people by accident. They come back and people 1:21:03.320 --> 1:21:05.960 will be like I say, it's a college reunion or 1:21:06.000 --> 1:21:09.799 a family funeral. Harry Wilson shows up. He's not around 1:21:09.880 --> 1:21:12.200 very much. But you don't do that, do you. You don't 1:21:12.240 --> 1:21:14.920 introduce people for no reason. I mean, we've got the 1:21:14.960 --> 1:21:18.240 factotum for Graham Seymour. You mentioned Graham Seymours in the book, 1:21:18.280 --> 1:21:20.320 so I'll go with that fact totem. We've got the 1:21:20.360 --> 1:21:23.559 people at the cottage again, silver readers will know, maybe 1:21:23.600 --> 1:21:27.080 they'll remember what I'm talking about there. It's wonderful. It's 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:29.840 comfortable to find these people. But when you bring someone 1:21:29.840 --> 1:21:32.400 in like dipl he shows up. Oh he was a 1:21:32.520 --> 1:21:36.960 kid ten books ago or twenty books ago and now. 1:21:36.960 --> 1:21:38.120 Twenty five books ago. 1:21:38.400 --> 1:21:40.439 Was he in the first book, the second book? 1:21:40.720 --> 1:21:43.639 First book? First? Okay, first, So he's. 1:21:43.520 --> 1:21:47.599 Back, and he's getting older, and he's got skills. Now 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.320 we've got Harry. Do we expect Harry back? 1:21:51.920 --> 1:21:52.559 I think so. 1:21:52.600 --> 1:21:57.240 You know, I just needed I needed to move the characters, 1:21:57.280 --> 1:22:01.719 and I I hate throwaway lines. 1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:05.280 I hate throwaway scenes. I always try to make each scene. 1:22:05.920 --> 1:22:10.000 A little special, in in in some way, And so 1:22:10.040 --> 1:22:14.240 I created a tiny little character and created some interaction 1:22:15.240 --> 1:22:19.120 between the Sapling and the legends to try to just 1:22:19.160 --> 1:22:21.080 bring him into into sharper relief. 1:22:21.400 --> 1:22:24.360 I can't imagine we won't see Harry. His name is 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:25.000 too good to. 1:22:25.320 --> 1:22:29.680 Let exactly there, and Mary Ala Cruse is too competent. 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:32.040 We won't even tell people where mary Ala Cruz is, 1:22:32.960 --> 1:22:37.160 but she's too competent to let her disappear. Is that? 1:22:37.400 --> 1:22:40.880 Is that a good expectation on my part? You know? 1:22:41.160 --> 1:22:45.960 I when I was writing those scenes, I actually thought, boy, 1:22:46.040 --> 1:22:50.559 I would like to carry this character with Gabriel a 1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:54.120 little longer. And in the end I had to let 1:22:54.120 --> 1:22:56.960 her fall by the wayside as the as the second 1:22:56.960 --> 1:22:57.599 act began. 1:22:58.040 --> 1:23:01.120 But I just I just love that character. And again 1:23:01.200 --> 1:23:05.000 I just did a couple of little things with her. 1:23:05.080 --> 1:23:08.439 You know, her hand was all swollen and scraped, and 1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:12.320 it turns out that she's a real badass, and that 1:23:12.560 --> 1:23:15.160 there's a couple of lines of dialogue when she and 1:23:15.200 --> 1:23:18.280 Gabriel are driving that are to be some of the 1:23:18.280 --> 1:23:19.320 funniest things that. 1:23:20.080 --> 1:23:22.559 He's ever said. They were great together. 1:23:22.960 --> 1:23:26.519 It's a great thing. But I appreciate that you go 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:31.720 you're aware of what happens in resort places, because I 1:23:31.760 --> 1:23:37.519 live not far from one, and they have Romanian seasonal staff, 1:23:38.320 --> 1:23:41.360 and I do not know where they go. I don't 1:23:41.400 --> 1:23:44.040 know where they live, and what you describe I have 1:23:44.200 --> 1:23:46.960 never experienced. But it made perfect sense to me. Have 1:23:47.040 --> 1:23:48.200 you been to such a place? 1:23:51.040 --> 1:23:51.320 Sure? 1:23:51.439 --> 1:23:54.360 I mean, you can't you can't not go to be 1:23:54.439 --> 1:23:57.080 in such a place in places like the south of France, 1:23:57.080 --> 1:24:03.160 where you know, you see like dormitory like settings if 1:24:03.160 --> 1:24:05.639 they're lucky. But in this case, and this has been 1:24:05.640 --> 1:24:10.000 well publicized, you know, beat this population. I'm going to 1:24:10.080 --> 1:24:12.519 get it wrong, but it goes from a tiny little 1:24:12.520 --> 1:24:14.080 bit in the winter and then all of a sudden 1:24:14.120 --> 1:24:20.000 it explodes. And I've had the situation. It's happening on 1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:25.320 Nantucket for example. You know, essential services workers in Nantucket 1:24:25.400 --> 1:24:28.639 can't afford to live there. Uh so they are commuting 1:24:29.040 --> 1:24:33.120 by the ferry every single day. And and I'm so 1:24:33.200 --> 1:24:36.880 sorry about that phone. I'm in a hotel room and 1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:41.880 I always wanted to to point that out and said, 1:24:42.040 --> 1:24:46.600 there's a character that we find in a in a 1:24:46.600 --> 1:24:47.599 homeless in camp. 1:24:47.600 --> 1:24:49.240 But they're all workers. 1:24:49.280 --> 1:24:52.280 They're all working their fingers to the bone, but they 1:24:52.280 --> 1:24:54.960 can't afford to live in the place where they work. 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:59.040 It's impossible, and it's a it's a very special scene. 1:24:59.520 --> 1:25:01.480 Now I want I turned to some of the technology 1:25:01.720 --> 1:25:04.160 you introduce us to, and there's a lot of drones, 1:25:04.160 --> 1:25:06.040 which I'm going to come back to because I believe 1:25:06.040 --> 1:25:09.639 you are correct, and in fact, someone else who is 1:25:09.800 --> 1:25:12.200 an actual real spy told me a long time ago 1:25:12.240 --> 1:25:13.840 that in twenty five years, no one will live in 1:25:13.840 --> 1:25:16.960 the White House because the President of the United States 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:20.840 can't be in a known location because of drug technology. 1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:25.960 And that shadow falls across your book. And it's true 1:25:26.600 --> 1:25:31.320 to you what Ukraine is doing because of necessity. They 1:25:31.360 --> 1:25:34.360 were outside of Putin's villa by about one hundred miles 1:25:34.360 --> 1:25:38.040 when they sunk a part of the Russian fleet this 1:25:38.160 --> 1:25:41.400 last week in the Sea of Azov. So it's really 1:25:41.439 --> 1:25:44.559 not that much of a stretch to threaten everyone and 1:25:44.640 --> 1:25:45.960 everything in the world, is it. 1:25:47.760 --> 1:25:50.960 No, I can't remember the exact phrase that I used, 1:25:50.960 --> 1:25:55.280 but no political leader is going to be safe. You 1:25:55.280 --> 1:25:56.640 won't be able to go out and sit in the 1:25:56.680 --> 1:25:58.559 back garden of Number ten down the street, because the 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:00.519 drone could come over anytime, killed you. 1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:04.240 The south lawn of the White House. I mean that. 1:26:04.720 --> 1:26:07.240 I know that, you know President Obama like to go 1:26:07.360 --> 1:26:09.840 out out there and play play basketball with his friends. 1:26:09.880 --> 1:26:10.720 Forget about that. 1:26:12.160 --> 1:26:15.960 And and the anti drone kits are you know, only 1:26:16.120 --> 1:26:21.280 so effective. You know I didn't use a tether drone 1:26:21.479 --> 1:26:27.120 in in in my climactic finish here, but I mean it. 1:26:27.840 --> 1:26:29.680 You know you know about tether drones. They have a 1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:32.760 tiny little filament of five rock the cable. You could 1:26:32.840 --> 1:26:35.880 have several kilometers of it. You're not going to block 1:26:35.920 --> 1:26:39.160 a signal there, and that drone is going to find 1:26:39.160 --> 1:26:41.920 its target. It could it could be a drone that 1:26:41.920 --> 1:26:45.640 that drops an ordinance, or or it can be a 1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:49.840 kamikaze drone like I had in this book. We are 1:26:50.840 --> 1:26:54.000 the Pandora's box. Analogy is overused, but I shall use 1:26:54.040 --> 1:26:58.160 it again. We have opened Pandora's Box. And I don't 1:26:58.200 --> 1:26:59.960 think the world is ever going to be the same again. 1:27:00.439 --> 1:27:02.640 And there I think you're right. I think we're going 1:27:02.720 --> 1:27:05.439 to come to a place of the very near future 1:27:05.840 --> 1:27:08.920 where our political leaders at very senior government officials have 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:12.680 to stay, their whereabouts have. 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:15.000 To be unknown. They won't be able to move around, 1:27:15.040 --> 1:27:17.040 and they can't walk around in public. 1:27:17.640 --> 1:27:20.519 Did you note that this is not in Ransom because 1:27:20.520 --> 1:27:24.240 it's not set in the Middle East. Saronic is the 1:27:24.320 --> 1:27:29.559 new drone boat maker for America, and America sent three 1:27:29.640 --> 1:27:33.599 drones into Bondarabas last week to blow up a submarine 1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:36.439 into submarine pens. Did that? Did you catch that? Daniel Sylvia, 1:27:36.479 --> 1:27:38.880 you're on book Tour for Ransom. So I'm not sure 1:27:38.920 --> 1:27:41.080 you're catching everything that's going on in the war, but 1:27:41.120 --> 1:27:42.800 there's a lot that's going on in the war. 1:27:44.080 --> 1:27:51.320 There is, it's it's most of it is not really great. 1:27:52.360 --> 1:27:57.479 And this you know, how we got into this war 1:27:57.560 --> 1:28:02.080 in the first place, and it's so unprepared for the 1:28:02.120 --> 1:28:05.800 possibility that that the Iranians were going to expand the war. 1:28:05.880 --> 1:28:10.040 I don't understand how we made that mistake, but it's 1:28:10.040 --> 1:28:15.760 something that I encountered actually talking to Israeli politicians. 1:28:16.040 --> 1:28:16.360 And. 1:28:17.720 --> 1:28:21.080 You know, they had this this thought that they they've 1:28:21.160 --> 1:28:24.639 reached this conclusion that we could hit the Iranians really, 1:28:24.680 --> 1:28:28.200 really hard and that they wouldn't respond, And it's to me, 1:28:28.240 --> 1:28:31.120 it always seemed delusional. And I could tell you that 1:28:31.120 --> 1:28:34.760 that people in Mossad, who who you know, worked the 1:28:36.320 --> 1:28:39.800 Iran file, they did not think that. But I think 1:28:39.840 --> 1:28:45.280 that you know, elements of Lecud and the Israeli right, 1:28:45.560 --> 1:28:48.880 you know, somehow convinced themselves that the Iranians would not 1:28:50.400 --> 1:28:53.280 target that their golf neighbors and would not shut down 1:28:53.640 --> 1:28:54.719 international commerce. 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:56.400 But that's exactly what happened. 1:28:56.840 --> 1:29:00.880 Yeah, are you surprised? We talked and seven but we 1:29:00.960 --> 1:29:05.360 haven't talked since the Iran War began, and I'm a 1:29:05.400 --> 1:29:09.080 little bit stunned that Hesbelah was able to For example, 1:29:09.120 --> 1:29:13.280 under the Crusader canceled castle three miles from the Israeli border, 1:29:13.680 --> 1:29:16.759 they were able to create a mile of granite tunnel 1:29:16.960 --> 1:29:19.559 and the Israelis and the American didn't know it was there. 1:29:20.080 --> 1:29:23.439 And they've got these tunnels. In Gaza, it's sand, you 1:29:23.479 --> 1:29:26.800 can dig through sand, but in Lebanon it's just granite. 1:29:27.120 --> 1:29:30.400 And they have been doing that and we haven't been 1:29:30.439 --> 1:29:32.840 able to see him from the sky and Israel and 1:29:33.439 --> 1:29:35.840 been able to penetrate Hasbilah to know that it's there. 1:29:36.400 --> 1:29:37.439 Are you surprised by that? 1:29:38.920 --> 1:29:43.360 No, No, this is a serious, serious organization. 1:29:44.760 --> 1:29:46.240 You know they've been around now. 1:29:46.880 --> 1:29:50.040 Since the eighty We sort of came to know them 1:29:50.280 --> 1:29:56.040 after the Berlin excuse me, that Beirut Barrack's bombing when 1:29:56.080 --> 1:29:57.880 they killed two hundred and forty. 1:29:57.600 --> 1:29:59.000 One of our marines. 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:01.880 I think that that explosion that went off was the 1:30:01.920 --> 1:30:05.760 single largest explosion on planet Earth since World War Two. 1:30:06.880 --> 1:30:10.360 It was an extraordinary device that they assembled and delivered 1:30:10.400 --> 1:30:14.680 to the target. You know, this is a serious organization 1:30:15.120 --> 1:30:21.160 with incredible weaponry, and you know they should not be underestimated. 1:30:21.640 --> 1:30:25.720 But no, Look, it's probably easier for them to tunnel. 1:30:26.320 --> 1:30:28.320 You know, they have to worry about collapses the way 1:30:28.360 --> 1:30:30.240 they have, you know, all of the tunnels and guys 1:30:30.280 --> 1:30:32.720 that have to be reinforced all the time. They can 1:30:32.760 --> 1:30:35.799 go into into solid rock and hide their stuff. 1:30:36.560 --> 1:30:38.880 I want to go back to one more bit of technology, 1:30:39.280 --> 1:30:43.240 deep fakes. Uh. The week we're taping this, the vice 1:30:43.280 --> 1:30:45.960 president gave a three hour interview with Joe Rogan, which 1:30:45.960 --> 1:30:48.280 I have not watched it. I've never seen a Rogan interview, 1:30:48.640 --> 1:30:49.960 and I don't know that I can deal with a 1:30:50.000 --> 1:30:53.519 three hour interview by anyone of anyone. But he had 1:30:53.560 --> 1:30:54.280 a three interview. 1:30:54.520 --> 1:30:56.680 We are we not doing three hours now? 1:30:56.800 --> 1:30:58.080 No, are not doing a three hours. 1:30:58.080 --> 1:31:00.840 We do forty minutes. And that's you usually at the time. 1:31:01.439 --> 1:31:03.719 Normally you're making it at one program in July fourth, 1:31:03.760 --> 1:31:06.439 but logistics didn't work this year, and we'll just play 1:31:06.479 --> 1:31:08.840 it out. But the vice president goes on. So I 1:31:08.920 --> 1:31:11.280 see a bunch of clips online. I don't believe any 1:31:11.320 --> 1:31:15.040 of them, Danny, do you until I watched the original? 1:31:15.200 --> 1:31:17.479 That's like water stamped. I'm not going to believe it. 1:31:19.160 --> 1:31:24.679 Wow, So that's where you are already, you're questioning it's interesting. 1:31:24.920 --> 1:31:29.120 Yep, that's where we are. And these things are very. 1:31:29.080 --> 1:31:33.360 Very good, and it is only a matter of time 1:31:33.920 --> 1:31:37.160 before we have a situation where, I mean, you don't 1:31:37.200 --> 1:31:41.719 have to go and stage a fake propaganda movie anymore. 1:31:41.720 --> 1:31:43.200 You just sit at a computer and do it. 1:31:44.400 --> 1:31:49.240 And you know we're going to have Estonians killing Russians 1:31:49.320 --> 1:31:52.320 or something that some sort of provocation for the for 1:31:52.439 --> 1:31:56.160 the invasion that's going to happen in the near future, 1:31:57.120 --> 1:31:59.680 the drones, deep fakes. A. 1:32:01.040 --> 1:32:02.519 Life's getting interesting, isn't it. 1:32:03.240 --> 1:32:05.160 I'm glad that I'm going to retire into and a 1:32:05.160 --> 1:32:08.120 half years. Daniel Silva, I helpe. You never do because 1:32:08.120 --> 1:32:10.519 I want in my retirement. But I want to know, 1:32:10.680 --> 1:32:12.920 are you worried about it? I don't think AI can 1:32:13.040 --> 1:32:16.200 do Gabriel Lan novels. I don't think an AI machine 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:19.400 can produce a ransom novel, do you No? 1:32:20.560 --> 1:32:25.240 No, I do not. But they can produce they. 1:32:26.000 --> 1:32:29.760 I mean a couple of writers have acknowledged that they're 1:32:29.920 --> 1:32:34.000 using AI to produce their books or portions of their books. 1:32:34.840 --> 1:32:38.560 It's not something that I'm it's too much fun. I 1:32:39.080 --> 1:32:43.240 don't know why you would use AI to write your 1:32:43.280 --> 1:32:46.080 book for you, that's it just seems ridiculous. But it's 1:32:46.160 --> 1:32:52.200 inevitable that that a fully AI novel, this is going 1:32:52.320 --> 1:32:56.200 to enter the bloodstream of American publishing at some point 1:32:56.240 --> 1:32:58.320 in the near future, just like we have, you know, 1:32:58.520 --> 1:33:02.000 full AI music, fake AI bands that are popping up 1:33:02.000 --> 1:33:03.960 on Spotify and Apple Music. 1:33:04.080 --> 1:33:05.400 It's just inevitable, I think. 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:08.240 So I want to I have asked you this question 1:33:08.439 --> 1:33:11.400 probably every year since we've started doing this, which is 1:33:11.479 --> 1:33:14.479 probably twenty years now. We may have started seven or 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:17.080 eight years into the series and devoted a full show 1:33:17.320 --> 1:33:19.680 to the first seven or eight books, and so I 1:33:19.800 --> 1:33:24.680 wanted to keep the question current. Alon ought to be 1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:30.519 a television series like Fauda. I learned yesterday from an 1:33:30.640 --> 1:33:34.800 Israeli blogger who interviewed me that Fouda is about ready 1:33:34.840 --> 1:33:37.040 to release and they are dealing with ten to seven 1:33:37.120 --> 1:33:38.840 in the first two episodes. But you don't have to 1:33:38.920 --> 1:33:41.840 watch them, and you can still watch the series, and 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:44.200 they've made that known to the Israeli public. And I 1:33:44.240 --> 1:33:46.000 won't watch it because I wouldn't watch the film. 1:33:46.040 --> 1:33:46.840 Did you watch the film? 1:33:46.880 --> 1:33:48.920 By the way, did you watch the Israeli government approved 1:33:49.240 --> 1:33:53.160 forty five minute film of ten to seven. No, no, 1:33:53.840 --> 1:33:54.400 I'm not did not. 1:33:55.080 --> 1:33:57.360 I didn't know it existed. What is the forty five 1:33:57.400 --> 1:33:58.559 minute When. 1:33:58.479 --> 1:34:01.439 They want to BRIEFE got by me. Yeah, when they 1:34:01.520 --> 1:34:05.680 want to brief foreign journalists who doubt what happened on 1:34:05.840 --> 1:34:09.800 ten to seven, they have a forty five a minute 1:34:10.000 --> 1:34:13.120 version of what Hamas filmed that day. It's all Hamas footage. 1:34:13.520 --> 1:34:17.000 So it's not yes, okay, that that I know about. Okay, 1:34:17.080 --> 1:34:19.680 I do know about that. Yeah, And so I have 1:34:20.240 --> 1:34:20.840 never watched it. 1:34:21.400 --> 1:34:22.960 So is this ever? 1:34:23.280 --> 1:34:26.639 Is Alan ever coming to the little or the big screen? Ever? 1:34:29.240 --> 1:34:32.720 I don't know. You know, I had, I had what 1:34:32.840 --> 1:34:35.439 I thought was a perfect deal a few years ago. 1:34:36.160 --> 1:34:39.640 And you know, look, it's more common for something to 1:34:39.720 --> 1:34:41.720 be optioned and not made than it is for it 1:34:41.840 --> 1:34:44.800 to be optioned and made. So I've sold the book 1:34:46.160 --> 1:34:49.960 the series four five times. I think it just have 1:34:50.120 --> 1:34:52.599 never been able to get across the finish line. Right now, 1:34:52.680 --> 1:34:57.600 I retain the rights. And you know, there are conversations 1:34:57.640 --> 1:35:03.479 that are happening, you know, regularly, some serious, uh, some 1:35:03.720 --> 1:35:07.160 not so serious, and we shall see. I am at 1:35:07.240 --> 1:35:13.080 this stage more than comfortable to let him exist on 1:35:13.240 --> 1:35:17.559 the page. You know, there's no Lucas Davenport series either 1:35:19.120 --> 1:35:23.120 on television. A great character by my colleague John Stanford. 1:35:23.640 --> 1:35:25.920 You know, it is what it is, and I think 1:35:25.960 --> 1:35:31.560 that right now, in the current political situation, I'm not 1:35:31.640 --> 1:35:34.280 sure the time is right for a Gabriel Lout series. 1:35:35.000 --> 1:35:39.200 Well, the Slow Horses series has become such a magnificent 1:35:39.360 --> 1:35:43.400 hit that everybody waits, and the Lioness has come out 1:35:43.439 --> 1:35:46.759 and fouta I mentioned. I just think it's such a natural. 1:35:46.960 --> 1:35:49.280 Let me close this way. You just mentioned another great 1:35:49.680 --> 1:35:52.080 thriller writer. You're the you. I think you hold the 1:35:52.160 --> 1:35:54.040 title right now. You're like, I'll leave. Someone's going to 1:35:54.120 --> 1:35:57.200 knock you out someday, but not yet. And Ransom will 1:35:57.240 --> 1:35:59.280 sell more than any other thriller this summer, so no 1:35:59.320 --> 1:36:01.040 one's going to knock up for at least in a year. 1:36:01.600 --> 1:36:04.920 Do you ever gather at a place like Wilton's, with 1:36:05.360 --> 1:36:08.200 the way the art world gathers at Wilton do the 1:36:08.320 --> 1:36:11.360 thriller writers at the top of the game ever gathered 1:36:11.439 --> 1:36:13.000 together just to relax? 1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:15.040 Uh? 1:36:15.720 --> 1:36:17.920 You know, we bumped into each other now and again. 1:36:21.760 --> 1:36:25.479 I had a wonderful evening. I guess it's my second 1:36:25.560 --> 1:36:29.800 night of tour. My friend Amore Tolls interviewed me at 1:36:29.840 --> 1:36:33.519 the strands, So there's two writers who got together into 1:36:33.560 --> 1:36:37.000 Wilton's like setting and talked about our work. It's just 1:36:37.320 --> 1:36:40.880 there were three hundred people watching us do it. So 1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:46.560 you know our schedules, you know, don't don't really allow it. 1:36:46.680 --> 1:36:51.320 Everyone's on deadline, I tell you all. And frankly, all 1:36:51.360 --> 1:36:54.160 of my writer friends are of the non fiction variety. 1:36:54.240 --> 1:36:59.200 The aforementioned Peter Baker, Bob Woodward is a dear friend, 1:37:00.479 --> 1:37:04.360 you know. Shane Harris is a dear friend. All of 1:37:04.439 --> 1:37:07.200 my friends are what I like to describe as real writers. 1:37:07.280 --> 1:37:09.880 You know, I'm the guy who just making the stuff up. 1:37:10.360 --> 1:37:13.960 You're just making a real journalists happy because it's something 1:37:14.000 --> 1:37:16.879 in the summer. Daniel Silva, there's a book tour underway. 1:37:17.000 --> 1:37:18.840 I appreciate the time in the middle of it. It's 1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:22.400 over at danielsilvabooks dot com. You can find out where 1:37:22.479 --> 1:37:23.760 Daniel is going to be if you want to go 1:37:23.840 --> 1:37:27.280 and get a copy of Ransom. Sign congratulations on another 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:30.360 number one New York Times bestseller and keep the streak 1:37:30.479 --> 1:37:32.519 going for as long as I'm alive. I want to 1:37:32.560 --> 1:37:35.560 keep reading this in the summertime. Daniel, my best to 1:37:35.640 --> 1:37:40.080 your wonderful wife and safety and success on your tour. 1:37:40.280 --> 1:37:41.439 Thank you for joining me today. 1:37:41.560 --> 1:37:42.320 Thank you so much. 1:37:42.640 --> 1:37:43.840 Thank you, Bet