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Welcome to this special bonus episode 11 00:00:42,976 --> 00:00:46,337 Speaker 2: of the Jesus Calling podcast. On this show, we'll talk 12 00:00:46,377 --> 00:00:48,656 Speaker 2: to men who look at their lives as fathers as 13 00:00:48,696 --> 00:00:51,897 Speaker 2: one of the most important roles they'll ever have. Our 14 00:00:51,937 --> 00:00:55,297 Speaker 2: earthly fathers, or the significant father figures in our lives, 15 00:00:55,697 --> 00:00:58,537 Speaker 2: cast a profound and lasting shadow on who we become. 16 00:00:59,297 --> 00:01:02,417 Speaker 2: We carry their wisdom, their lessons, and their support as 17 00:01:02,457 --> 00:01:06,017 Speaker 2: a foundation for our own lives. Yet for many, that 18 00:01:06,177 --> 00:01:11,217 Speaker 2: influence also includes painful memories, moments of absence, criticism, or 19 00:01:11,257 --> 00:01:15,137 Speaker 2: misunderstanding that leave behind wounds and a deep yearning for 20 00:01:15,257 --> 00:01:19,617 Speaker 2: unconditional acceptance through prayer and faith, we can allow God's 21 00:01:19,617 --> 00:01:22,897 Speaker 2: perfect love to mend the broken places and provide the 22 00:01:22,977 --> 00:01:26,977 Speaker 2: strength to honor and navigate our relationship with our human fathers. 23 00:01:28,217 --> 00:01:31,017 Speaker 2: Let's get started with dove and Grammy Award winning musician 24 00:01:31,297 --> 00:01:35,297 Speaker 2: Stephen Curtis Chapman and his daughter Emily Chapman Richards. 25 00:01:38,017 --> 00:01:41,697 Speaker 3: I remember my earliest memories are of my dad kind 26 00:01:41,737 --> 00:01:44,177 Speaker 3: of stopping in the middle of the conflicts and the 27 00:01:44,297 --> 00:01:46,617 Speaker 3: arguments that happened a lot in our home because there 28 00:01:46,697 --> 00:01:50,177 Speaker 3: was so much shame and anger and confusion in my 29 00:01:50,297 --> 00:01:53,897 Speaker 3: dad's heart, and he would stop and say, we need 30 00:01:53,937 --> 00:01:55,777 Speaker 3: to pray. And I remember we would just get on 31 00:01:55,777 --> 00:01:58,337 Speaker 3: our knees as a family, and Dad would just talk 32 00:01:58,377 --> 00:02:01,217 Speaker 3: to God like a friend, you know. He just would say, God, 33 00:02:01,257 --> 00:02:02,777 Speaker 3: I don't know how to be a father, I don't 34 00:02:02,857 --> 00:02:04,657 Speaker 3: know how to be a good husband. Please help me, 35 00:02:04,937 --> 00:02:07,017 Speaker 3: Please show me up to do that. But my dad 36 00:02:07,137 --> 00:02:10,017 Speaker 3: did not have a father in his life, and sadly, 37 00:02:10,097 --> 00:02:14,497 Speaker 3: his dad left home when my dad was three, So 38 00:02:14,977 --> 00:02:18,017 Speaker 3: that was a gaping hole. And in place of that, 39 00:02:18,137 --> 00:02:20,097 Speaker 3: on top of it was a lot of shame of 40 00:02:20,177 --> 00:02:24,417 Speaker 3: embarrassment from the little bit of relationship that was known, 41 00:02:24,497 --> 00:02:26,337 Speaker 3: and it wasn't something we even really talked a lot 42 00:02:26,377 --> 00:02:29,817 Speaker 3: about growing up, except that I remember when my dad 43 00:02:29,857 --> 00:02:33,776 Speaker 3: really began to walk with the Lord when I was 44 00:02:33,817 --> 00:02:38,137 Speaker 3: seven years old, and so I was marked even as. 45 00:02:38,017 --> 00:02:40,817 Speaker 4: A little boy, with the reality. 46 00:02:40,337 --> 00:02:44,057 Speaker 3: That the place that you're going to ultimately know how 47 00:02:44,097 --> 00:02:47,497 Speaker 3: to have a relationship with your children, even out of brokenness. 48 00:02:47,497 --> 00:02:50,056 Speaker 4: There's going to be brokenness, There's going to be things. 49 00:02:49,817 --> 00:02:53,817 Speaker 3: That aren't as they should be, but a desperation, you know, 50 00:02:53,977 --> 00:02:57,617 Speaker 3: for God to just give you that wisdom as our 51 00:02:57,657 --> 00:03:03,097 Speaker 3: heavenly father. And so my dad, even with all that brokenness, 52 00:03:03,577 --> 00:03:05,177 Speaker 3: he modeled for me. 53 00:03:05,537 --> 00:03:06,337 Speaker 4: He was gone a lot. 54 00:03:06,537 --> 00:03:10,057 Speaker 3: He was at a music store, music business that his 55 00:03:10,137 --> 00:03:12,737 Speaker 3: hours usually started right before I got home from school 56 00:03:13,137 --> 00:03:16,417 Speaker 3: and went until after I was asleep. So I don't 57 00:03:16,537 --> 00:03:19,617 Speaker 3: remember having a lot of my dad except on weekends, 58 00:03:20,137 --> 00:03:24,297 Speaker 3: and we did some fishing together and hunting together and 59 00:03:24,337 --> 00:03:26,897 Speaker 3: things like that. I have some really great memories of that, 60 00:03:26,977 --> 00:03:29,737 Speaker 3: But wasn't every night coming home in the door at 61 00:03:29,777 --> 00:03:32,137 Speaker 3: five or six o'clock and having a lot of time 62 00:03:32,177 --> 00:03:34,337 Speaker 3: with him. But I do remember the time that we 63 00:03:34,417 --> 00:03:38,137 Speaker 3: had being intentional. I remember the notes probably came from 64 00:03:38,137 --> 00:03:40,217 Speaker 3: my dad. He would leave notes for me and my 65 00:03:40,297 --> 00:03:43,457 Speaker 3: brother often and say a prayer for us and things 66 00:03:43,497 --> 00:03:46,417 Speaker 3: like that that I remember deeply saying, Yeah, my Dad, 67 00:03:46,457 --> 00:03:49,417 Speaker 3: even if he's not here in physical presence. 68 00:03:49,057 --> 00:03:51,017 Speaker 4: I know that I'm in his heart and I'm on 69 00:03:51,057 --> 00:03:53,417 Speaker 4: his mind. I'm in his prayers and thoughts, and he's 70 00:03:53,457 --> 00:03:55,137 Speaker 4: got my back. You know, he sees with me. 71 00:03:59,257 --> 00:04:02,977 Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, I love my dad. Dad has always 72 00:04:03,177 --> 00:04:06,377 Speaker 5: continued to remain to this day, always very very intentional 73 00:04:06,417 --> 00:04:10,177 Speaker 5: with every moment he does have. I think it's evident 74 00:04:10,257 --> 00:04:13,617 Speaker 5: even in his songwriting, he takes captive every word every 75 00:04:13,657 --> 00:04:16,577 Speaker 5: three minutes he has with an audience that's exactly the 76 00:04:16,617 --> 00:04:20,657 Speaker 5: same in how he has fathered me and all of 77 00:04:20,697 --> 00:04:23,377 Speaker 5: my siblings in that every kind of moment when he 78 00:04:23,537 --> 00:04:27,097 Speaker 5: was home was really intentional to be present with us. 79 00:04:27,137 --> 00:04:30,376 Speaker 5: So I have memories of Dad being on the road 80 00:04:30,457 --> 00:04:32,816 Speaker 5: but flying, you know, he'd take a red eye to 81 00:04:33,056 --> 00:04:35,696 Speaker 5: come home and be at some basketball game where I 82 00:04:35,697 --> 00:04:38,056 Speaker 5: could even make a basket, but he'd come home just 83 00:04:38,097 --> 00:04:40,856 Speaker 5: to be present, as a terrible athlete, but just to 84 00:04:40,897 --> 00:04:45,256 Speaker 5: be present. And I think another kind of rhythm that 85 00:04:45,376 --> 00:04:49,496 Speaker 5: Dad established early on that as I've become a parent, 86 00:04:50,496 --> 00:04:53,537 Speaker 5: really kind of a new level of appreciation and just 87 00:04:53,657 --> 00:04:58,377 Speaker 5: understanding the intent behind every time Dad would leave for tour, 88 00:04:58,537 --> 00:05:00,616 Speaker 5: and like not like at the beginning of the tour, 89 00:05:00,697 --> 00:05:04,337 Speaker 5: but like every run, he would write letters to each 90 00:05:04,376 --> 00:05:08,137 Speaker 5: one of us, times longer, sometimes shorter, and leave him 91 00:05:08,137 --> 00:05:11,257 Speaker 5: on the counter. And it was just a real commitment, 92 00:05:11,376 --> 00:05:13,816 Speaker 5: you know, a prayer for us, a Bible verse, a 93 00:05:13,897 --> 00:05:18,576 Speaker 5: real commitment to like take captive again, the intentionality even 94 00:05:18,577 --> 00:05:21,176 Speaker 5: in those moments, in those words, to show that he 95 00:05:21,296 --> 00:05:24,136 Speaker 5: was caring for us and loving us well. And so 96 00:05:24,657 --> 00:05:27,976 Speaker 5: I consider it an incredible privilege to have been raised 97 00:05:28,017 --> 00:05:31,416 Speaker 5: by him and my mom, and I just hope I 98 00:05:31,457 --> 00:05:33,136 Speaker 5: can do half as good of a job. 99 00:05:34,176 --> 00:05:36,817 Speaker 3: Thank you, Emily for that. I have to say that, 100 00:05:36,897 --> 00:05:39,416 Speaker 3: for just for your words of blessing. I mean, there's 101 00:05:39,496 --> 00:05:43,217 Speaker 3: nothing sweeter to the heart of some of Dad than 102 00:05:43,257 --> 00:05:46,576 Speaker 3: to hear his children, you know, bless him. 103 00:05:47,017 --> 00:05:48,777 Speaker 4: And yet you know I am. 104 00:05:49,017 --> 00:05:51,857 Speaker 3: As we all are painfully aware of, you know, of 105 00:05:51,897 --> 00:05:56,657 Speaker 3: my failures and failings and flaws and faults in those 106 00:05:56,736 --> 00:05:57,416 Speaker 3: areas too. 107 00:05:57,816 --> 00:05:59,376 Speaker 4: It feels like the jury is out. 108 00:05:59,296 --> 00:06:03,057 Speaker 3: Until we stand before Jesus, which then thankfully it's all 109 00:06:03,056 --> 00:06:04,577 Speaker 3: going to be grace and. 110 00:06:04,257 --> 00:06:04,657 Speaker 4: All of that. 111 00:06:04,777 --> 00:06:07,416 Speaker 3: But It's like, I don't know if I did it right, 112 00:06:07,496 --> 00:06:09,856 Speaker 3: if I did it well, I'd see some moments where 113 00:06:09,897 --> 00:06:10,176 Speaker 3: I did. 114 00:06:10,176 --> 00:06:11,976 Speaker 4: I see a lot of moments where I didn't. 115 00:06:12,217 --> 00:06:14,657 Speaker 3: So God, just pour a lot of grace over top 116 00:06:14,736 --> 00:06:16,777 Speaker 3: of all of that, please, because that's. 117 00:06:16,657 --> 00:06:20,017 Speaker 4: Our only hope. 118 00:06:21,056 --> 00:06:22,817 Speaker 3: Those that know our story know that we lost our 119 00:06:22,856 --> 00:06:26,176 Speaker 3: youngest daughter, than part of our journey has been learning 120 00:06:26,217 --> 00:06:29,576 Speaker 3: to live with that kind of hole in our soul 121 00:06:29,736 --> 00:06:32,976 Speaker 3: and that brokenness that we are going to carry through 122 00:06:33,017 --> 00:06:36,176 Speaker 3: this life with us, and knowing that much of Jesus 123 00:06:36,296 --> 00:06:39,217 Speaker 3: Calling is even written from that place of suffering. And 124 00:06:39,296 --> 00:06:42,217 Speaker 3: yet how God meets us in that in such a 125 00:06:42,257 --> 00:06:45,337 Speaker 3: profound way that we won't be able to experience Him 126 00:06:45,496 --> 00:06:49,496 Speaker 3: really any other way, which we don't like that sometimes 127 00:06:49,496 --> 00:06:52,337 Speaker 3: we don't want that, but that's true, and we experience 128 00:06:52,856 --> 00:06:55,616 Speaker 3: God in that place. And I think that's why this one, 129 00:06:55,697 --> 00:07:01,377 Speaker 3: particularly March twelfth, it says waiting, trusting, and hoping are 130 00:07:01,416 --> 00:07:07,537 Speaker 3: intrinsically connected, like golden strands interwoven to form a strong chain. 131 00:07:08,376 --> 00:07:12,017 Speaker 3: Trusting is the central strand because it is the response 132 00:07:12,057 --> 00:07:15,217 Speaker 3: from my children that I desire the most. Waiting and 133 00:07:15,297 --> 00:07:18,617 Speaker 3: hoping embellish the central strand and strengthen the chain that 134 00:07:18,657 --> 00:07:21,576 Speaker 3: connects you to me. Waiting for me to work with 135 00:07:21,657 --> 00:07:24,577 Speaker 3: your eyes on me is evidence that you really do 136 00:07:24,617 --> 00:07:27,617 Speaker 3: trust me. If you mouth the words I trust you 137 00:07:28,017 --> 00:07:31,017 Speaker 3: while anxiously trying to make things go your way, your 138 00:07:31,057 --> 00:07:36,016 Speaker 3: words ring hollow. Hoping is future directed, connecting you to 139 00:07:36,097 --> 00:07:40,057 Speaker 3: your inheritance in heaven. However, the benefits of hope fall 140 00:07:40,137 --> 00:07:43,657 Speaker 3: fully on you in the present because your mind you 141 00:07:43,657 --> 00:07:46,617 Speaker 3: don't just pass time in your waiting. You can wait 142 00:07:46,737 --> 00:07:50,777 Speaker 3: expectantly and hopeful, trust, keep your antenna out to pick 143 00:07:50,857 --> 00:07:53,577 Speaker 3: up even the faintest glimmer of my presence. 144 00:07:54,737 --> 00:07:57,337 Speaker 4: Our family is so right now. 145 00:07:57,377 --> 00:08:02,457 Speaker 3: We are connected with those three words waiting, trusting, and 146 00:08:02,537 --> 00:08:04,537 Speaker 3: hoping because that is our journey. 147 00:08:04,577 --> 00:08:08,177 Speaker 4: We wait, we trust that the story's not over. 148 00:08:08,257 --> 00:08:11,336 Speaker 3: Our hope is in God, knowing that our broken hearts 149 00:08:11,377 --> 00:08:13,857 Speaker 3: are going to be made whole, and we wait for that, 150 00:08:14,217 --> 00:08:16,937 Speaker 3: and we wait for it together, we lean into each other. 151 00:08:17,417 --> 00:08:19,657 Speaker 4: That's a great encouragement to me. Even today. 152 00:08:21,977 --> 00:08:25,737 Speaker 2: Stephen's most recent album still features the song Don't Lose 153 00:08:25,777 --> 00:08:28,896 Speaker 2: Heart that focuses on the heartbreak and the hope within 154 00:08:28,977 --> 00:08:32,497 Speaker 2: his family's loss. You can find it wherever you stream music. 155 00:08:33,617 --> 00:08:36,377 Speaker 2: Next up, we have the founder of the wildly popular 156 00:08:36,457 --> 00:08:39,577 Speaker 2: YouTube channel Dad How Do I Rob Kenny? 157 00:08:40,977 --> 00:08:42,817 Speaker 1: I started the channel. I thought of it a few 158 00:08:42,857 --> 00:08:46,457 Speaker 1: years ago because my backstory is my dad left when 159 00:08:46,537 --> 00:08:49,897 Speaker 1: I was fourteen, and so I had to learn a 160 00:08:49,897 --> 00:08:52,497 Speaker 1: lot of things the hard way. My mentor is my 161 00:08:52,537 --> 00:08:55,097 Speaker 1: brother Rick. My brother Rick's nine years older than me, 162 00:08:55,137 --> 00:08:57,977 Speaker 1: and when my dad left, he basically gave an ultimatum 163 00:08:57,977 --> 00:09:00,497 Speaker 1: to the older kids. I'm one of eight, just so 164 00:09:00,537 --> 00:09:03,937 Speaker 1: you know, so I'm number seven, and he basically said, 165 00:09:04,057 --> 00:09:06,337 Speaker 1: I'm either going to put the kids in foster care 166 00:09:06,537 --> 00:09:08,377 Speaker 1: or the older siblings are going to have to take 167 00:09:08,457 --> 00:09:11,017 Speaker 1: in the younger siblings. That was a pretty tough thing 168 00:09:11,057 --> 00:09:12,737 Speaker 1: to hear from my dad because I was actually there 169 00:09:12,777 --> 00:09:14,577 Speaker 1: when he said it. So I went to live with 170 00:09:14,617 --> 00:09:18,257 Speaker 1: my brother and so he's my mentor. He's my good friend, 171 00:09:18,297 --> 00:09:19,777 Speaker 1: and he's taught me a lot of what I share 172 00:09:19,777 --> 00:09:23,057 Speaker 1: on my channel. So he helped instill the confidence in 173 00:09:23,137 --> 00:09:25,577 Speaker 1: me that I could try stuff, you know, as long 174 00:09:25,617 --> 00:09:28,417 Speaker 1: as I took it slow and baby steps and learn 175 00:09:28,457 --> 00:09:30,737 Speaker 1: how to do things. There are certain things that I've 176 00:09:30,817 --> 00:09:33,017 Speaker 1: learned from other people, like tying a tie. I learned 177 00:09:33,017 --> 00:09:35,577 Speaker 1: from my roommate when I was nineteen, and I picked 178 00:09:35,657 --> 00:09:38,897 Speaker 1: up things along the way, and so that's how channel started. 179 00:09:38,897 --> 00:09:41,297 Speaker 1: I was just trying to help thirty or forty people 180 00:09:41,377 --> 00:09:44,497 Speaker 1: thought I'd download the information from my head, and so 181 00:09:44,577 --> 00:09:47,217 Speaker 1: what it's become has been beyond me. But it's I 182 00:09:47,337 --> 00:09:49,257 Speaker 1: give the credit to the Lord. He's given me this 183 00:09:49,337 --> 00:09:53,297 Speaker 1: platform to be able to, in my small, finite way, 184 00:09:53,377 --> 00:09:53,817 Speaker 1: be able to. 185 00:09:53,817 --> 00:09:55,377 Speaker 4: Share his love with people. 186 00:09:57,257 --> 00:09:59,257 Speaker 1: I have people coming on and watching me tie a 187 00:09:59,297 --> 00:10:03,217 Speaker 1: tie and crying just because of the dad moment that 188 00:10:03,417 --> 00:10:05,537 Speaker 1: maybe they didn't have or they missed from their day, 189 00:10:06,057 --> 00:10:08,417 Speaker 1: and so all that really caught me by surprise, and 190 00:10:08,777 --> 00:10:12,057 Speaker 1: I when my channel blew up, it terrified me. I'm 191 00:10:12,097 --> 00:10:14,537 Speaker 1: a bit of an introvert, and so I've had to 192 00:10:14,617 --> 00:10:18,177 Speaker 1: kind of adjust to being able to. 193 00:10:17,257 --> 00:10:18,057 Speaker 4: Fill this role. 194 00:10:19,377 --> 00:10:22,177 Speaker 1: Grateful for the platform, but I also the flip side. 195 00:10:22,217 --> 00:10:25,937 Speaker 1: It breaks my heart at how much it's needed and 196 00:10:26,097 --> 00:10:29,177 Speaker 1: to hear the stories of people never hearing I'm proud 197 00:10:29,217 --> 00:10:31,497 Speaker 1: of you or you know all of the above. 198 00:10:31,617 --> 00:10:32,777 Speaker 4: There's so many comments. 199 00:10:32,817 --> 00:10:35,577 Speaker 1: If you spend any kind of time on my channel 200 00:10:35,617 --> 00:10:39,137 Speaker 1: reading the comments, people are pretty kind to me, but 201 00:10:39,177 --> 00:10:43,377 Speaker 1: they've also there's a lot of hurt. Lord, Jesus, were 202 00:10:43,417 --> 00:10:47,377 Speaker 1: so grateful for you reveal yourself to us. Lord, if 203 00:10:47,377 --> 00:10:51,417 Speaker 1: we're thinking about you in a way that is not correct. 204 00:10:51,937 --> 00:10:54,417 Speaker 1: I think there's so much noise in our world and 205 00:10:54,457 --> 00:10:58,057 Speaker 1: we get confused and people tell us who you are, 206 00:10:58,377 --> 00:11:01,657 Speaker 1: and yet you've revealed in your word who you truly are. 207 00:11:02,577 --> 00:11:05,497 Speaker 1: And I just pray that for everyone that they would 208 00:11:05,697 --> 00:11:09,577 Speaker 1: understand who you truly are and your love for all people, 209 00:11:09,937 --> 00:11:13,257 Speaker 1: or that you would reveal yourself to people, open people's 210 00:11:13,257 --> 00:11:14,697 Speaker 1: eyes and help them. 211 00:11:14,617 --> 00:11:16,217 Speaker 4: To see who you truly are. 212 00:11:16,417 --> 00:11:18,177 Speaker 1: Thank you for the channel that you've given me to 213 00:11:18,217 --> 00:11:22,337 Speaker 1: be able to be a bit of a conduit for you, 214 00:11:22,537 --> 00:11:25,177 Speaker 1: and in my small way, to be able to influence 215 00:11:25,257 --> 00:11:28,737 Speaker 1: people to look into who you truly are and understand 216 00:11:28,737 --> 00:11:29,777 Speaker 1: what you've done for them. 217 00:11:30,297 --> 00:11:32,457 Speaker 4: Well, thank you for your love for us, Lord. Amen. 218 00:11:33,777 --> 00:11:36,697 Speaker 2: You can see Rob giving fatherly wisdom and advice over 219 00:11:36,737 --> 00:11:40,577 Speaker 2: on his YouTube channel, Dad How Do I Stay tuned? 220 00:11:40,577 --> 00:11:49,817 Speaker 2: For more stories After a brief message, These uncertain times 221 00:11:49,817 --> 00:11:53,217 Speaker 2: bring anxiety and fear, but Jesus listens. Prayers for every 222 00:11:53,297 --> 00:11:58,337 Speaker 2: Season gives you daily prayers of comfort with seasonally inspired illustrations. 223 00:11:58,537 --> 00:12:01,857 Speaker 2: This beautiful book includes prayers that speak to your situation, 224 00:12:02,457 --> 00:12:06,217 Speaker 2: whether it's a time of stress or strength. For Jesus 225 00:12:06,257 --> 00:12:14,857 Speaker 2: listens prayers for every season wherever you buy books. Next up, 226 00:12:14,897 --> 00:12:17,217 Speaker 2: we hear from NFL quarterback Kirk Cousins. 227 00:12:17,817 --> 00:12:20,897 Speaker 6: I remember my junior year of high school. It was 228 00:12:20,937 --> 00:12:24,097 Speaker 6: my very first varsity football game. I would get to play, 229 00:12:24,617 --> 00:12:27,057 Speaker 6: sort of a dream come true to be the quarterback 230 00:12:27,137 --> 00:12:30,897 Speaker 6: for your high school in a varsity football game. And 231 00:12:30,977 --> 00:12:32,777 Speaker 6: in the first quarter of that first game, I was 232 00:12:32,857 --> 00:12:34,777 Speaker 6: hit on my left side and broke my ankle. And 233 00:12:34,857 --> 00:12:37,177 Speaker 6: this junior season that I was so excited to get 234 00:12:37,217 --> 00:12:40,777 Speaker 6: to play ended up crumbling right before my eyes because 235 00:12:40,817 --> 00:12:42,377 Speaker 6: my ankle was broken and I was going to have 236 00:12:42,377 --> 00:12:44,337 Speaker 6: to sit out to let it heal. And I remember 237 00:12:44,337 --> 00:12:46,137 Speaker 6: coming home from the doctor with a cast on my 238 00:12:46,177 --> 00:12:49,097 Speaker 6: ankle and calling my dad to tell him that while 239 00:12:49,097 --> 00:12:51,617 Speaker 6: it's disappointing that I'm missing out on the memories from 240 00:12:51,657 --> 00:12:56,177 Speaker 6: my junior season of high school football, even more disappointing 241 00:12:56,377 --> 00:12:59,337 Speaker 6: is that now I won't get to play major college 242 00:12:59,337 --> 00:13:01,937 Speaker 6: football because you have to be recruited really during your 243 00:13:01,977 --> 00:13:04,457 Speaker 6: junior season, especially when you weren't pulled up to the 244 00:13:04,537 --> 00:13:07,897 Speaker 6: varsity at a younger and so I'm at a dead 245 00:13:07,977 --> 00:13:10,897 Speaker 6: end now and my future beyond high school I felt 246 00:13:11,017 --> 00:13:13,777 Speaker 6: was now being affected by this injury that really I 247 00:13:13,897 --> 00:13:15,977 Speaker 6: didn't have much control over him, and I started to 248 00:13:16,137 --> 00:13:18,697 Speaker 6: kind of have that victim mindset and start to get 249 00:13:18,697 --> 00:13:20,617 Speaker 6: angry at God that he would allow it to go 250 00:13:20,737 --> 00:13:23,337 Speaker 6: that way. And that's when my dad reminded me of 251 00:13:23,577 --> 00:13:25,497 Speaker 6: again the truth of God's word, and he brought up 252 00:13:25,497 --> 00:13:28,137 Speaker 6: Proverbs three, verses five and six, which say trust the 253 00:13:28,177 --> 00:13:30,897 Speaker 6: Law with all your heart, don't lean on your understanding 254 00:13:30,897 --> 00:13:31,497 Speaker 6: and all your ways. 255 00:13:31,537 --> 00:13:33,897 Speaker 7: Acknowledge him, and he will direct your steps. 256 00:13:33,897 --> 00:13:36,337 Speaker 6: And so he said, if football's not in the cards 257 00:13:36,377 --> 00:13:38,937 Speaker 6: for you down the road, then you gotta trust God's 258 00:13:38,937 --> 00:13:40,817 Speaker 6: plan and he will direct your steps, and you gotta 259 00:13:40,857 --> 00:13:43,017 Speaker 6: obey him and trust him and believe that whatever it 260 00:13:43,137 --> 00:13:46,737 Speaker 6: is is better than going and playing football. But on 261 00:13:46,777 --> 00:13:49,537 Speaker 6: the flip side, maybe God is bigger than a broken ankle, 262 00:13:49,657 --> 00:13:53,377 Speaker 6: and he can lead you still to where your dreams 263 00:13:53,577 --> 00:13:55,777 Speaker 6: want to take you, and if he wants to do 264 00:13:55,817 --> 00:13:57,817 Speaker 6: that in his plans, He's much bigger than what your 265 00:13:57,817 --> 00:14:00,256 Speaker 6: circumstances appear to be right now. And I kind of 266 00:14:00,297 --> 00:14:03,057 Speaker 6: made that commitment in that moment that Okay, I'm gonna 267 00:14:03,057 --> 00:14:05,257 Speaker 6: trust him, even though when I'm looking around I don't 268 00:14:05,257 --> 00:14:06,097 Speaker 6: see a path. 269 00:14:06,617 --> 00:14:07,777 Speaker 7: I'm gonna still trust him. 270 00:14:08,177 --> 00:14:09,857 Speaker 6: And about a year and a half later, I signed 271 00:14:09,857 --> 00:14:12,657 Speaker 6: a scholarship to attend Michigan State, which was my dream 272 00:14:12,697 --> 00:14:15,217 Speaker 6: school and was the perfect fit. And God really steered 273 00:14:15,257 --> 00:14:17,577 Speaker 6: the ship to get me there. And I look back 274 00:14:17,617 --> 00:14:20,377 Speaker 6: now and see that God is so much bigger than 275 00:14:20,417 --> 00:14:22,137 Speaker 6: our circumstances, so much bigger than. 276 00:14:22,017 --> 00:14:22,697 Speaker 7: A broken ankle. 277 00:14:22,777 --> 00:14:24,657 Speaker 6: What I thought was a dead end ended up being 278 00:14:24,697 --> 00:14:28,337 Speaker 6: really a tremendous path that set me on a dream 279 00:14:28,497 --> 00:14:30,417 Speaker 6: course to go where I was hoping to go. So 280 00:14:30,937 --> 00:14:33,457 Speaker 6: I look back now and realize, Lord, You've got a plan. 281 00:14:33,577 --> 00:14:35,377 Speaker 6: It's not always going to be as straight and easy 282 00:14:35,417 --> 00:14:37,297 Speaker 6: as I would like it to be, but I gotta 283 00:14:37,337 --> 00:14:39,377 Speaker 6: trust you, I gotta obey you. And that incident in 284 00:14:39,417 --> 00:14:41,657 Speaker 6: high school with the broken ankle really was my first 285 00:14:41,697 --> 00:14:43,417 Speaker 6: exposure to how important it is to. 286 00:14:43,417 --> 00:14:43,977 Speaker 7: Let him leave. 287 00:14:44,377 --> 00:14:47,257 Speaker 6: I think there were so many blessings that came from 288 00:14:47,297 --> 00:14:48,377 Speaker 6: that adversity. 289 00:14:54,177 --> 00:14:55,857 Speaker 7: It's an absolute privilege to be a dad. 290 00:14:56,137 --> 00:14:59,217 Speaker 6: Certainly a great deal of work, and my wife does 291 00:14:59,217 --> 00:15:02,217 Speaker 6: a phenomenal job as a mother. But as I look 292 00:15:02,257 --> 00:15:06,257 Speaker 6: around society, and you see so many societal challenges and 293 00:15:06,257 --> 00:15:09,577 Speaker 6: places where we are falling short. I tend to see 294 00:15:09,577 --> 00:15:13,897 Speaker 6: a correlation between a lack of a dad's involvement and 295 00:15:13,937 --> 00:15:18,377 Speaker 6: then dysfunction in someone's behavior, And so for me, I 296 00:15:18,417 --> 00:15:22,617 Speaker 6: do think that dad's being dads can and will make 297 00:15:22,777 --> 00:15:26,457 Speaker 6: a meaningful difference not only in our own lives, in 298 00:15:26,497 --> 00:15:29,897 Speaker 6: our own families, but at a societal level because of 299 00:15:30,537 --> 00:15:33,737 Speaker 6: the massive role that dad's play. We can't shrink back 300 00:15:33,777 --> 00:15:36,417 Speaker 6: when it gets difficult or we feel like it's tough 301 00:15:36,457 --> 00:15:38,817 Speaker 6: to be that example. We have to lean in. We 302 00:15:38,937 --> 00:15:40,897 Speaker 6: have to be the leaders that God calls us to be. 303 00:15:43,337 --> 00:15:45,897 Speaker 6: You're one of my biggest prayers is that my boys 304 00:15:45,897 --> 00:15:48,057 Speaker 6: would remain close to each other, that they would walk 305 00:15:48,097 --> 00:15:50,017 Speaker 6: with the Lord all their life, that they would understand 306 00:15:50,017 --> 00:15:52,097 Speaker 6: what it means to trust and obey the Lord, and 307 00:15:52,217 --> 00:15:54,897 Speaker 6: that God would direct their steps as He's directed mine 308 00:15:54,977 --> 00:15:57,657 Speaker 6: all my life. And I'm so excited to follow them 309 00:15:57,657 --> 00:16:00,297 Speaker 6: on that journey, to help guide them on that journey, but. 310 00:16:00,257 --> 00:16:02,217 Speaker 7: I certainly need God's grace to be able to do 311 00:16:02,297 --> 00:16:02,817 Speaker 7: that well. 312 00:16:03,337 --> 00:16:06,377 Speaker 6: And it is absolutely a challenge to be a great dad, 313 00:16:06,457 --> 00:16:08,297 Speaker 6: And I want to challenge other people to join me 314 00:16:08,537 --> 00:16:11,137 Speaker 6: and wanting to be a great dad as well. 315 00:16:11,337 --> 00:16:14,377 Speaker 2: To keep up with Kirk's family life and career, follow 316 00:16:14,417 --> 00:16:17,817 Speaker 2: him on social media. His book Game Changer is available 317 00:16:17,857 --> 00:16:21,977 Speaker 2: at your favorite retailer. Next up, we'll hear from Jeremy Rosatto, 318 00:16:22,337 --> 00:16:25,297 Speaker 2: a singer who came to recognition through singing competition TV 319 00:16:25,377 --> 00:16:28,257 Speaker 2: shows American Idol and NBC's The Voice. 320 00:16:29,737 --> 00:16:31,857 Speaker 8: I stepped into the role of becoming a dad, and 321 00:16:31,897 --> 00:16:34,577 Speaker 8: I took on full guardianship of my daughter now who's 322 00:16:34,577 --> 00:16:38,337 Speaker 8: biologically my niece, and man, that was a journey. I 323 00:16:38,457 --> 00:16:40,457 Speaker 8: was like twenty two years old, twenty three years old. 324 00:16:40,617 --> 00:16:42,337 Speaker 8: She was about eleven years old. 325 00:16:42,857 --> 00:16:43,657 Speaker 4: It was tough. 326 00:16:44,297 --> 00:16:46,657 Speaker 8: Laying the dream down to become a father was a 327 00:16:46,697 --> 00:16:50,297 Speaker 8: really tough decision. In the moment I was on what 328 00:16:50,377 --> 00:16:52,697 Speaker 8: was the biggest music TV show in the world back then, 329 00:16:52,897 --> 00:16:56,577 Speaker 8: the momentum that was there. Even though that decision was 330 00:16:56,577 --> 00:16:58,897 Speaker 8: not easy, it was worth it and I would do 331 00:16:58,937 --> 00:17:02,017 Speaker 8: it a million times over for my child. God provided 332 00:17:02,057 --> 00:17:05,297 Speaker 8: and made Wyte for us, and I look back now 333 00:17:05,577 --> 00:17:08,977 Speaker 8: and even in the pain and the tears, I can 334 00:17:09,057 --> 00:17:15,177 Speaker 8: see his faithfulness and always carried us fast forward so 335 00:17:15,257 --> 00:17:17,417 Speaker 8: many years to the voice from my daughter is about 336 00:17:17,417 --> 00:17:18,417 Speaker 8: to graduate high school. 337 00:17:18,497 --> 00:17:19,657 Speaker 4: Timing couldn't have been better. 338 00:17:20,097 --> 00:17:22,017 Speaker 8: It wasn't really a normal thing for you to be 339 00:17:22,057 --> 00:17:23,777 Speaker 8: able to do American Idol and the Voice. 340 00:17:24,137 --> 00:17:27,657 Speaker 4: Now it seems more common. But then I was like, God. 341 00:17:27,457 --> 00:17:29,177 Speaker 8: There's no way that these people are going to put 342 00:17:29,177 --> 00:17:31,417 Speaker 8: me on this show after I did American Idol, and also, 343 00:17:31,457 --> 00:17:34,177 Speaker 8: God like, if it doesn't happen, I'm gonna be okay. 344 00:17:34,617 --> 00:17:37,696 Speaker 8: Help me redirect the feeling of this and help me 345 00:17:37,777 --> 00:17:39,257 Speaker 8: honestly more in this dream. 346 00:17:39,457 --> 00:17:39,617 Speaker 7: Right. 347 00:17:39,697 --> 00:17:42,057 Speaker 8: Let me grieve it so that I can move forward 348 00:17:42,097 --> 00:17:44,377 Speaker 8: and do something else that's maybe within your plan God, 349 00:17:44,417 --> 00:17:48,217 Speaker 8: that would be beneficial to my life and to my 350 00:17:48,297 --> 00:17:51,417 Speaker 8: daughter's life, but also fulfill me. I never thought in 351 00:17:51,417 --> 00:17:53,297 Speaker 8: a million years i'd do the Voice so many years later, 352 00:17:53,377 --> 00:17:56,217 Speaker 8: but my God has done exceedingly abundling more than I thought. 353 00:17:56,817 --> 00:17:58,617 Speaker 8: When I got the email from the producers of The 354 00:17:58,657 --> 00:18:01,057 Speaker 8: Voice asking if I would do the show. 355 00:18:01,617 --> 00:18:03,897 Speaker 4: I was just like, there's no way. God. 356 00:18:03,937 --> 00:18:06,617 Speaker 8: It It gave me like renewed confidence in the God 357 00:18:06,657 --> 00:18:10,097 Speaker 8: that I serve and in my ability to walk knowing 358 00:18:10,137 --> 00:18:12,417 Speaker 8: that He's with me and he's for me. When I 359 00:18:12,457 --> 00:18:15,657 Speaker 8: did the show, that trust and that reliance began to 360 00:18:15,737 --> 00:18:18,497 Speaker 8: grow even more. It felt like every room I walked into, 361 00:18:18,537 --> 00:18:21,697 Speaker 8: every stage I walked on, there was victory already there, 362 00:18:23,097 --> 00:18:26,897 Speaker 8: Jesus calling. I've had that little devotion to pocket Sizer's 363 00:18:26,937 --> 00:18:30,577 Speaker 8: rue in my book bag for years, and it was 364 00:18:30,817 --> 00:18:33,977 Speaker 8: pivotal for me as I was on the Voice, as 365 00:18:34,017 --> 00:18:37,817 Speaker 8: I was backstage, as I took daily time to make sure, 366 00:18:37,897 --> 00:18:40,577 Speaker 8: like God, I need you with me, and it helped 367 00:18:40,577 --> 00:18:43,017 Speaker 8: me because it was bite size. It would get me 368 00:18:43,017 --> 00:18:45,897 Speaker 8: through a moment backstage We're sitting there for three four 369 00:18:45,897 --> 00:18:48,897 Speaker 8: hours and I'm fighting doubt of like I'm not going 370 00:18:48,937 --> 00:18:50,977 Speaker 8: to win this battle, and it would keep me going 371 00:18:51,137 --> 00:18:54,017 Speaker 8: backstage at the Voice and be like, Okay, I'm gonna 372 00:18:54,017 --> 00:18:54,377 Speaker 8: be okay. 373 00:18:54,497 --> 00:18:55,817 Speaker 4: God's with me, He's before me. 374 00:18:56,697 --> 00:18:58,657 Speaker 8: It reminded me of the victory that I had already 375 00:18:58,697 --> 00:19:00,696 Speaker 8: sensed that was there for me because of Jesus. 376 00:19:02,137 --> 00:19:05,537 Speaker 2: To learn more about Jeremy Rosatto, visit I Am Jeremy 377 00:19:06,177 --> 00:19:08,737 Speaker 2: dot com and check out his new album, The Waiting 378 00:19:08,777 --> 00:19:12,377 Speaker 2: Room Wherever you get your music. To close our episode, 379 00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:14,817 Speaker 2: we'll hear from mental health therapist Trey Tucker. 380 00:19:15,657 --> 00:19:17,617 Speaker 9: It's definitely one of the visions I have. It's just 381 00:19:17,657 --> 00:19:20,977 Speaker 9: equipping dad's because every dad wants to be a good dad. 382 00:19:21,777 --> 00:19:23,976 Speaker 9: There's one in four guys growing up don't even have 383 00:19:24,017 --> 00:19:26,417 Speaker 9: a dad in the house. And then the ones who 384 00:19:26,457 --> 00:19:29,737 Speaker 9: are in the house, how effective of a father are they. 385 00:19:29,737 --> 00:19:32,737 Speaker 9: There's no stats for that, but we know just anecdotally 386 00:19:32,857 --> 00:19:34,936 Speaker 9: there is a need for better fathering. We'll put it 387 00:19:34,937 --> 00:19:38,417 Speaker 9: that way. Every guy deserves to be fathered. Every guy 388 00:19:38,457 --> 00:19:41,977 Speaker 9: that I've taked to has some sort of question. Am 389 00:19:42,057 --> 00:19:45,216 Speaker 9: I enough? It's the word that haunts him, and you 390 00:19:45,257 --> 00:19:47,537 Speaker 9: can fill in the blank with whatever word you want 391 00:19:47,577 --> 00:19:50,776 Speaker 9: before that. So often it's am I good enough? Am 392 00:19:50,817 --> 00:19:54,097 Speaker 9: I smart enough? Am I rich enough? Am I good 393 00:19:54,097 --> 00:19:59,257 Speaker 9: looking enough? Am I athletic enough? My first year of 394 00:19:59,257 --> 00:20:03,097 Speaker 9: being a therapist, one of my first clients was about 395 00:20:03,337 --> 00:20:06,537 Speaker 9: thirty years old. He walks into my office and he 396 00:20:06,657 --> 00:20:09,897 Speaker 9: is angry, I mean visibly angry, and I thought, what 397 00:20:09,937 --> 00:20:12,777 Speaker 9: did I do to him? But he walks down, he 398 00:20:12,817 --> 00:20:15,337 Speaker 9: sits down, and he takes out his car keeps and 399 00:20:15,377 --> 00:20:19,377 Speaker 9: it's a Lamborghini key and he slams it on the table. 400 00:20:19,817 --> 00:20:22,256 Speaker 9: He says, this is what I drive. I have a 401 00:20:22,337 --> 00:20:25,897 Speaker 9: great job, I make this amount of money. He's a multimillionaire, 402 00:20:26,257 --> 00:20:28,657 Speaker 9: I've got a great looking wife, I got kids at home. 403 00:20:28,817 --> 00:20:30,977 Speaker 9: So he lists all the stuff that he thought was 404 00:20:31,017 --> 00:20:33,016 Speaker 9: going to make him happy. At the end of all 405 00:20:33,057 --> 00:20:35,897 Speaker 9: the list, he goes, I've got all this stuff, Now, 406 00:20:35,897 --> 00:20:40,496 Speaker 9: why the blank am I not happy? Whatever it is 407 00:20:40,537 --> 00:20:43,377 Speaker 9: that they're always trying to measure up, usually to the 408 00:20:43,377 --> 00:20:46,617 Speaker 9: guys around them, Through that conversation, I was able to 409 00:20:46,617 --> 00:20:48,897 Speaker 9: help him see It's like, it wasn't the money, it 410 00:20:48,937 --> 00:20:51,897 Speaker 9: wasn't the stuff, it wasn't the good looking wife, it 411 00:20:51,977 --> 00:20:54,297 Speaker 9: was how you were hoping that stuff was going to 412 00:20:54,377 --> 00:20:55,257 Speaker 9: make you feel. 413 00:20:55,017 --> 00:20:57,297 Speaker 7: On the inside. And then we can take it from there. 414 00:20:58,417 --> 00:21:01,057 Speaker 9: Enough for being not enough is the thing that haunts 415 00:21:01,097 --> 00:21:03,257 Speaker 9: the guys the most, and it can drive you to 416 00:21:03,377 --> 00:21:08,097 Speaker 9: make some really amazing terrible decisions, but it can also 417 00:21:08,217 --> 00:21:11,937 Speaker 9: be deceptively helpful in driving you to some great successes. 418 00:21:12,657 --> 00:21:15,457 Speaker 9: But if you don't already have a really strong understanding 419 00:21:15,497 --> 00:21:17,977 Speaker 9: of who you are and what really makes you enough, 420 00:21:18,857 --> 00:21:21,657 Speaker 9: even your good decisions and your strong successes at a 421 00:21:21,657 --> 00:21:24,577 Speaker 9: worldly level, they're just going to leave you frustrated because 422 00:21:24,737 --> 00:21:26,337 Speaker 9: you're gonna end up like that guy that I talked 423 00:21:26,377 --> 00:21:28,577 Speaker 9: about earlier, who had everything he thought was going to 424 00:21:28,617 --> 00:21:31,857 Speaker 9: make him feel like, yeah, I'm the man, and then 425 00:21:32,257 --> 00:21:35,137 Speaker 9: he was not only frustrated and confused, he was just 426 00:21:35,177 --> 00:21:42,497 Speaker 9: downright angry. Unfortunately, the story that I see a lot, 427 00:21:42,777 --> 00:21:46,377 Speaker 9: it's the guys who have the outward problems, like some 428 00:21:46,417 --> 00:21:49,617 Speaker 9: sort of substance issue. Those are the easy ones to 429 00:21:49,657 --> 00:21:51,976 Speaker 9: help them pinpoint what the root cause going on is. 430 00:21:52,057 --> 00:21:54,737 Speaker 9: But the guys you don't realize need the help. It's 431 00:21:54,737 --> 00:21:56,936 Speaker 9: probably eighty percent of the guys out there. They're the 432 00:21:56,937 --> 00:21:59,017 Speaker 9: ones who have it all the figured out, and they 433 00:21:59,017 --> 00:22:02,537 Speaker 9: look like they've got it all together because on the surface, yeah, 434 00:22:02,577 --> 00:22:05,137 Speaker 9: they got all the boxes checked, but if you gave 435 00:22:05,217 --> 00:22:10,337 Speaker 9: them true seerum, they're walking around empty, confused, insecure, and 436 00:22:10,377 --> 00:22:13,137 Speaker 9: they just have a their way of coping with that 437 00:22:13,337 --> 00:22:16,257 Speaker 9: just looks a little more refined, but it's the same 438 00:22:16,297 --> 00:22:19,257 Speaker 9: thing as if they had some sort of addiction going on. 439 00:22:19,777 --> 00:22:22,337 Speaker 9: There was a look in those guys' eyes of like, 440 00:22:22,897 --> 00:22:24,936 Speaker 9: I gotta have this, this has to work. There was 441 00:22:24,937 --> 00:22:28,577 Speaker 9: almost a desperation, and a lot of times that desperation 442 00:22:29,217 --> 00:22:33,216 Speaker 9: helped these guys to succeed at their career. But I 443 00:22:33,297 --> 00:22:36,777 Speaker 9: also noticed that no matter how much success they earned, 444 00:22:37,657 --> 00:22:41,537 Speaker 9: it was never enough were broken cisterns. And I love 445 00:22:41,617 --> 00:22:44,857 Speaker 9: helping people figure out who they are and then fully 446 00:22:44,857 --> 00:22:49,057 Speaker 9: become the best version of that. And sometimes mental health 447 00:22:49,097 --> 00:22:51,657 Speaker 9: plays a role in that, but that whole process of 448 00:22:51,737 --> 00:22:54,577 Speaker 9: just helping somebody develop into the best version of themselves 449 00:22:54,977 --> 00:22:57,497 Speaker 9: that includes much more than just your thoughts and emotions. 450 00:22:57,617 --> 00:23:00,217 Speaker 9: Guys in the twenties are always asking me things like, hey, 451 00:23:00,497 --> 00:23:04,337 Speaker 9: where's actual research based information on how to have healthy 452 00:23:04,377 --> 00:23:08,216 Speaker 9: relationships not just with women but also with friends. And 453 00:23:08,537 --> 00:23:11,897 Speaker 9: what do we do about this pressure to be successful 454 00:23:11,937 --> 00:23:13,337 Speaker 9: whatever that's supposed to meet? 455 00:23:13,777 --> 00:23:15,057 Speaker 7: And what about money? 456 00:23:15,097 --> 00:23:17,457 Speaker 9: It's money supposed to be our top priority, and if 457 00:23:17,457 --> 00:23:20,177 Speaker 9: it's not supposed to be, then what is it? And 458 00:23:20,937 --> 00:23:23,937 Speaker 9: also just what do I do about trusting God? Because 459 00:23:23,977 --> 00:23:26,016 Speaker 9: a lot of the guys in their twenties, even if 460 00:23:26,057 --> 00:23:29,097 Speaker 9: they have a church background, most of them haven't really 461 00:23:29,137 --> 00:23:32,217 Speaker 9: developed an actual relationship in their heart with the Lord. 462 00:23:33,577 --> 00:23:36,577 Speaker 9: If you truly think that everything's random and that nobody's 463 00:23:36,617 --> 00:23:39,057 Speaker 9: looking out for you, that you're totally on your own, 464 00:23:39,657 --> 00:23:44,017 Speaker 9: there's no other alternative but to feel anxious. And that's 465 00:23:44,017 --> 00:23:46,456 Speaker 9: not to say that every believer has a sense of 466 00:23:46,537 --> 00:23:49,177 Speaker 9: peace that is available to us, but We're still at 467 00:23:49,217 --> 00:23:51,617 Speaker 9: war here. There's a battle going on for our hearts 468 00:23:51,617 --> 00:23:53,497 Speaker 9: and trying to take away our peace and trying to 469 00:23:53,657 --> 00:23:57,097 Speaker 9: make us believe lies that increase our anxiety. When I 470 00:23:57,137 --> 00:24:00,777 Speaker 9: get knocked down, I can actually use him to push 471 00:24:00,817 --> 00:24:03,697 Speaker 9: against and get back up because he's been there when 472 00:24:03,737 --> 00:24:08,337 Speaker 9: it's happened. I've made decisions that knocked myself down, through horrible, 473 00:24:08,617 --> 00:24:11,337 Speaker 9: unwise decisions, and he's still been there to help me 474 00:24:11,417 --> 00:24:14,016 Speaker 9: get back up. I had to face the consequences of it, 475 00:24:14,377 --> 00:24:17,737 Speaker 9: but he always came through and helped me to rebuild 476 00:24:17,777 --> 00:24:23,897 Speaker 9: and become better because of it. Jesus calling December first, 477 00:24:25,377 --> 00:24:29,097 Speaker 9: I love you with an everlasting love which flows out 478 00:24:29,097 --> 00:24:32,457 Speaker 9: of the depths of eternity. Before you were born, I 479 00:24:32,537 --> 00:24:36,696 Speaker 9: knew you. Ponder the awesome mystery of a love that 480 00:24:36,937 --> 00:24:42,456 Speaker 9: encompasses you from before birth to beyond the grave. The 481 00:24:42,497 --> 00:24:46,657 Speaker 9: practice of being still in my presence is almost a 482 00:24:46,697 --> 00:24:47,696 Speaker 9: lost art. 483 00:24:48,297 --> 00:24:49,257 Speaker 4: Yet it is. 484 00:24:49,217 --> 00:24:53,457 Speaker 9: This very stillness that enables you to experience my eternal love. 485 00:24:54,737 --> 00:24:57,657 Speaker 9: Do you need the certainty of my loving presence in 486 00:24:57,737 --> 00:25:02,017 Speaker 9: order to weather the storms of life? The ultimate protection 487 00:25:02,217 --> 00:25:06,257 Speaker 9: against sinking during life storms is devoting time to develop 488 00:25:06,297 --> 00:25:07,257 Speaker 9: your friendship with me. 489 00:25:09,857 --> 00:25:12,937 Speaker 2: You can find Trey Tucker's latest book, Tough Enough, hone 490 00:25:12,977 --> 00:25:17,417 Speaker 2: your habits, cultivate purpose, and forge genuine strength wherever books 491 00:25:17,417 --> 00:25:20,177 Speaker 2: are sold. Thank you for joining us for this special 492 00:25:20,217 --> 00:25:23,177 Speaker 2: episode of the Jesus Calling Podcast. If you were inspired 493 00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:25,817 Speaker 2: by these stories, you can find many more at Jesus 494 00:25:25,857 --> 00:25:33,097 Speaker 2: Calling dot com slash podcast. 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