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Speaker 2: never thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So then,

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Speaker 2: just as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live

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Speaker 2: your lives in Him, rooted and built up in Him.

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Speaker 3: Amen. Now let's roll.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Build Different podcast is

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Speaker 2: always I'll be your host today, doctor Zach Clinton, joined

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Speaker 2: by my Dad, President of the American Association of Christian

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Speaker 2: Counselor's Director of the Global Center for Human Flourishing. Right

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Speaker 2: here on the campus of Liberty University, doctor Tim Clinton. Dad,

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Speaker 2: thanks for joining me.

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Speaker 3: Always fun to be in the house. Fantastic guest today, Zach.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear what's going to happen. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we do.

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Speaker 2: We're actually backstage at our Nitment's Impact Week in our

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six night event here at Thomas Ord Baptist Church, Lynchburg, Virginia.

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Speaker 2: Sold out crowd forty five hundred men gathering to come

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Speaker 2: and worship and deepen their relationship with God, but also

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Speaker 2: strengthen and develop their relationship with other men. I tell

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Speaker 2: you what, God always falls all over this place, and.

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Speaker 3: We have an unbelievable lineup.

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Speaker 2: One of our guests, very special guests that's going to

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Speaker 2: be partaking in our Hero panel today, is with us

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Speaker 2: today on the podcast, Brad Yuri. Something that you need

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Speaker 2: to know about Brad upfront, though, is that he is

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Speaker 2: one of the leadership experts that I believe God is

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Speaker 2: uniquely positioned for such a time as this to speak

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Speaker 2: into today's generations of men. As are tactical troop commander

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Speaker 2: of Seal Team six, also a commanding officer and other

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Speaker 2: opportunities and Seal Teams one was under sea one was

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Speaker 2: with Buds the training program. This is a man who

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Speaker 2: gets leadership, guys, get sacrifice, and gets what it means

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Speaker 2: to live the biblically masculine life. Brad, our friend, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining us today, so.

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Speaker 1: Much, both of you.

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Speaker 3: Super excited Brad and that you'd come. And man, we're

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Speaker 3: looking forward to a great weekend here at Acknight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic.

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Speaker 3: It's something happens, Brad when the boys get together.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I'll subscribe it. Yeah, but when

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Speaker 3: they come in and they let that stuff kind of

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Speaker 3: in the presence of God. It's it's life changing, It

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Speaker 3: really is.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 4: The it's I mean, the aroma is pleasing to God, right,

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Speaker 4: And I like to joke with dude, it's like, oh

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Speaker 4: And it's exciting when dudes get together, good things can happen,

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Brad.

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Speaker 2: As we begin, our theme for this event is forged

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Speaker 2: through the Yeah. So the Book of Job, chapter twenty three,

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Speaker 2: into a room of forty five hundred men, I'm just interested.

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Speaker 2: What is the message that God is massaging in your heart?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: It's not my message, it's his message.

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Speaker 4: And one thing consistent with that theme that He has

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, And it takes the pain and

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Speaker 4: And people will say, well, he'll never give you more

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Speaker 4: He deliberately gives us more than we can handle to

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Speaker 1: It drives us into his refuge.

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Speaker 4: And we know from Psalms O taste and say that

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Speaker 4: refuge in him, when we take refuge in him, his

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Speaker 4: strength is manifested through our weakness, as Paul says, And

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Speaker 4: then all of a sudden race is sufficient.

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Speaker 1: It's sufficient. It's like sufficient.

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Speaker 3: There's something about power, there's something about powerlessness. Yes, that

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Speaker 3: God really thrives in the midst of but when we

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Speaker 3: The old Puritans used to call it the valley of visions. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, when you got into those dark places, you

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Speaker 3: And I was like, I hate that verse. I don't

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Speaker 3: You know that, And you're right, there's a forging that

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Speaker 3: that people don't just do these things. But that forging stuff,

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Speaker 1: I like that.

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Speaker 4: John Piper wrote Suffering in the Sovereignty of God and

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Speaker 4: I read that years ago, and in it he talks

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Speaker 4: plagiarized it, and came up with don't waste your suffering.

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Speaker 1: I know that it's doing something for you.

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Speaker 4: And to your point, we used to tell that to

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Speaker 4: same idea, but we'd tell them, hey, don't waste this opportunity.

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Speaker 4: This isn't happening to you. It's happening for you. And

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Speaker 4: just referenced, we have to suffer first to get there

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Speaker 4: Don't don't don't spiral and self pity.

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Speaker 4: You just gone through this so that you know what's

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's what James Chapter one is all about.

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Speaker 3: It was amazing. But let me ask you, I wanted

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Speaker 1: Man, let's run to some brick walls.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Brad. I got to ask where where was

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Speaker 3: In the man? Brad Geary like growing up?

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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear your story, your back background, your

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Speaker 1: Yeah? With my dad. I think, like most of us

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Speaker 4: It's hard to even talk about, because there was such brokenness,

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Speaker 1: But it all started with dad. And I say my dad.

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Speaker 4: I'm thankful. I'm thankful because it wasn't due to any

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Speaker 4: it was a painstaking process, but she was committed to

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Speaker 1: Thought our marriage was over. I thought it was over. Now.

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Speaker 1: And she will never accept me.

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Speaker 4: Stop stop getting triggered by them, and then them the

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Speaker 4: The twenty second hug. Have you ever done this?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Oh my gosh, My wife taught me that it's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at the end of the day, Brad, then you're

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Speaker 1: Trust is everything.

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Speaker 3: It's everything, same thing in relationships at every level. Sure, which,

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Speaker 3: How did you how did you command? That's a really

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Speaker 4: there are these superhuman feats of strength, but they're very

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Speaker 4: rarely on their own behalf. It's on behalf of a

440
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Speaker 4: loved one that all of a sudden they find this

441
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Speaker 4: this resolve. I think in one of your guys that

442
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,679
Speaker 4: the team asked, you know which special operations that I

443
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,400
Speaker 4: look at, and I gave them all like the nod,

444
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 4: like they're all great. I truly believe culturally the Seal

445
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 4: teams is different and a little bit better because of

446
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Speaker 4: this element of the team ability piece, because there's an

447
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Speaker 4: element of brotherly love that we double down on. And

448
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Speaker 4: I talked about this from day one. We get under

449
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Speaker 4: the boat, we get under the log. It's not about

450
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Speaker 4: the individual and in fact, the people that come to

451
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Speaker 4: the seal teams thinking this is it's.

452
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Speaker 1: About It's all about the team coming there.

453
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Speaker 4: I got selflessness, selflessness coming as a team. There's nothing

454
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Speaker 4: that we can't accomplish together. And by the way, we

455
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 4: all recognize because Buds and the Swix School, both of them,

456
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 4: they're designed to provoke failure for very specific reason. We

457
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Speaker 4: give you so much, you will fail, and I want

458
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Speaker 4: to see how you deal with failure individually. Be I

459
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Speaker 4: want to see when you fail, did your team rally

460
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Speaker 4: around you and carry you through that failure. Because if

461
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Speaker 4: you've invested in them and shown that you're selfless because

462
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Speaker 4: we need each other, because we need each other, then

463
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Speaker 4: they're gonna trust you. And then you've earned them to

464
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Speaker 4: pick you up when you stumble, when you fall. That's

465
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Speaker 4: the beauty of what naval special warfare does that no

466
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Speaker 4: one else does as good as us, I think.

467
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Speaker 3: And there's a cause above and beyond all this. Yeah,

468
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Speaker 3: that you're committed to.

469
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I will do more for the man I

470
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Speaker 4: love downrange than I would ever do for myself. And

471
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Speaker 4: so all of a sudden, the seal teams aren't these

472
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Speaker 4: like superhuman like with in America.

473
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Speaker 3: So then it makes sense that you would come back

474
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Speaker 3: to your team, yeah, your wife, your family, yes, and say,

475
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Speaker 3: oh my goodness, yes, that's my team.

476
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Speaker 1: This is my team.

477
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Speaker 3: What am I doing?

478
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Speaker 4: I used to joke about enter table, though I wish

479
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Speaker 4: I was half as good of a father and husband

480
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Speaker 4: as I was a CEL officer downrange. But you're right,

481
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:10,200
Speaker 4: there's so many parallels between leadership in whatever work environment

482
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Speaker 4: you're in and your family.

483
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Speaker 2: So many parallels, so many parallels I was just thinking about.

484
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Speaker 2: I was just chatting with a woman named Jen Portius

485
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Speaker 2: who was just up here, and we were talking about

486
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Speaker 2: building things. Men love to build empires, they love to

487
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Speaker 2: build training programs, They love to build naturally when it

488
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Speaker 2: comes comes to a purpose in a calling. But oftentimes

489
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Speaker 2: we neglect building the things that matter most, are those

490
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Speaker 2: that matter most that seme at home. Yes, I would

491
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Speaker 2: love for you to share is we're talking about resilience

492
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Speaker 2: here for a moment, because this is really what this

493
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Speaker 2: is team ability. Resilience is rooted in relationship. I've done

494
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Speaker 2: a lot of research on resilience. You can teach resilience.

495
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Speaker 2: It can literally become a learned characteristic or a learned

496
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Speaker 2: strait a part of your DNA. I have read every

497
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Speaker 2: academic literature in the space. I wrote a dissertation on this,

498
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 2: worked with high performing individuals and the big thing there's

499
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Speaker 2: no concrete definition, but the common theme is positive adaptation

500
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Speaker 2: in the presence of adversity. So adversity will come, but

501
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Speaker 2: being able to positively adapt have the team ability. You

502
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:09,040
Speaker 2: talk about suffer well, yes, talk about how to reframe

503
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Speaker 2: our suffering to make it for our good, not just

504
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Speaker 2: something happening to us, but something happening for us.

505
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's such a good question. We can. We can.

506
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Speaker 4: We can sit at the dinner table and we can

507
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Speaker 4: read the Bible to our kids. We can make them

508
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 4: do a Bible study with us. They learn so much

509
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 4: more when they are watching us what they're always doing.

510
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Speaker 4: How does mom and dad? How do mom and dad

511
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Speaker 4: behave when that adversity comes? Are we living what we're

512
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Speaker 4: preaching as a family Again, We're all gonna fall short,

513
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Speaker 4: We're gonna make mistakes. I think that's the most impact

514
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Speaker 4: we can have in building that resiliency in our families,

515
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 4: because our kids are looking toward us, and as you know,

516
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Speaker 4: when they're little, you protect them from the horrors of

517
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Speaker 4: life sometimes, but we have to incriminally give them some

518
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Speaker 4: of that weight engine show them that we're going to

519
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Speaker 4: carry it with them. The best example I can think

520
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Speaker 4: of where we did this as a family practically was

521
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Speaker 4: actually on Emerson's birthday out in Hawaii. Here's a uh

522
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 4: we had this scare. You probably remember when we thought

523
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Speaker 4: the nuclear missiles were coming from North Korea.

524
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so we were there when we lived there

525
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Speaker 1: when that happened.

526
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Speaker 4: And now it's funny, like, oh yeah, the guy pushed

527
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 4: the wrong button and the alarms went off, right, It's funny.

528
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Speaker 4: It's it makes for a great story. It didn't feel

529
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Speaker 4: funny in the moment. And and we very much. My

530
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,920
Speaker 4: son came in and woke us up that morning showing

531
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Speaker 4: us the phones. They're all going off real alerts. Everyone's

532
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Speaker 4: iPhones hijacked, and it's telling us this is happening. I'm thinking,

533
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Speaker 4: this is a mistake. There's no way, there's no way.

534
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Speaker 4: The alarms start going off on the base. We lived

535
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Speaker 4: on Ford Island in Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, so like the

536
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Speaker 4: epicenter of probably what they would be aiming to strike at.

537
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Speaker 3: And we we and there's a little history there, Yeah,

538
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Speaker 3: you go back.

539
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Speaker 1: So we really thought this is this might be it.

540
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Speaker 1: And then we're like, okay, do we drive up to

541
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Speaker 1: the mountains? Do we get in the car? Do we

542
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Speaker 1: what do we do?

543
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Speaker 4: And I'm and I'm I'm going through the math in

544
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Speaker 4: my mind. I'm like the missiles. If the timing is right,

545
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Speaker 4: we only have a couple more minutes. There's no time

546
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Speaker 4: to run. And by the way, there's crazy people who

547
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Speaker 4: are panicking on the road anyway. And so we sat

548
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 4: there and I looked at Amy and I'm like, no,

549
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 4: we're staying. Here's what we're gonna do. We texted all

550
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Speaker 4: of our family and said this might be our last

551
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Speaker 4: text to you. We love you, turn off the phones,

552
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 4: and as a family, the six of us melter on

553
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Speaker 4: our leather autumn and said, hey, guys, we might all

554
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Speaker 4: get to go see Jesus in the same moment. Let's

555
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 4: pray our way there, and we just started praying.

556
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Speaker 1: Dude.

557
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Speaker 4: It was probably one of the most it was one

558
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Speaker 4: of the most beautiful moments of my life. And then

559
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,400
Speaker 4: nothing really happened. Nothing really happened, and we realized maybe

560
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Speaker 4: this might be a fluke. And then funny enough, I

561
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 4: was a little disappointed that we weren't seeing Jesus in

562
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Speaker 4: that moment, because like, how much pain and suffering would

563
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Speaker 4: we have been spared as a family if we all

564
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Speaker 4: got to go at the same moment. It would have

565
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 4: been incredible. So once we the whole thing then exploded

566
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Speaker 4: on social media.

567
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Speaker 1: It's all fake. The guy hit the wrong button. Ah, okay,

568
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Speaker 1: But here's what was great.

569
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Speaker 4: So many people were jammed into psych's offices over the

570
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Speaker 4: next few months in Hawaii seeking counseling and care, and

571
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Speaker 4: they were so traumatized by the fear that just griped

572
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Speaker 4: their souls in that moment.

573
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Speaker 1: What did we do.

574
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Speaker 4: We went and swam with the dolphins that afternoon at

575
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Speaker 4: the local water park. And my kids are like, okay,

576
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 4: I think because we showed them Jesus in that moment.

577
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 4: And this is how you deal with adversity, This is

578
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Speaker 4: how you deal with fear. Don't fear a man who

579
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Speaker 4: can kill the body.

580
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Speaker 3: We have hope.

581
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Speaker 1: We have hope, no matter what, no matter what, no

582
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Speaker 1: matter what.

583
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Speaker 3: It's this idea that there are no atheists in foxholes.

584
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Speaker 1: That's right.

585
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Speaker 2: I want to chat with you a little bit about

586
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Speaker 2: that because I want to know like where faith is

587
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 2: at in terms of the military, and just you've been

588
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: with troops, you've been a leader in that space. Just

589
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: how have you seen men that are far away from God,

590
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 2: not living a biblical masculine life whatsoever, don't even have

591
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 2: a personal relationship with God? But how have you seen

592
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 2: them cry out to the heart of God and some

593
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Speaker 2: of their most deep, dark and dire moments of need.

594
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Speaker 4: It's everywhere, and I think there's it's because a couple

595
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 4: of things. One, you learn to love, and we know

596
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 4: from Jesus greater love has no one than this. They

597
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 4: lays on his life for his friends. Well, that's our's

598
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 4: are the business we're in and so inevitably, whether you

599
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 4: an atheist or not, in the military, you're living a

600
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 4: life that is a a a an echo of scriptural truths.

601
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Speaker 4: And I think God uses that to provoke a lot

602
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 4: of men's hearts toward him, which is why you have

603
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 4: those those those sayings, and it's why I think we

604
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:23,479
Speaker 4: see revivals, especially after periods of combat. We're seeing a

605
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 4: massive revival on the seal teams. It's super interesting. When

606
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 4: I joined the.

607
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: Team, unbelievable, Yeah, like faith, Yeah, Oh, it's amazing. He's

608
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 3: just coming like people are bolder today.

609
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 4: I've never heard more politicians talking about Jesus, and I've

610
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 4: never heard more pastors talking about politics, and I think

611
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 4: those are both good things. So yeah, we're seeing it.

612
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 4: I've seen it down range. I'm seeing it in dudes.

613
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 4: He just went out the other night with with a

614
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,400
Speaker 4: dude who was probably one of like the the dudes.

615
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Speaker 1: I would never suspect. We come to the faith like

616
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: just total heathen.

617
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 4: And we went out to celebrate something and we're at

618
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Speaker 4: a bar and I said, let's get some drinks and

619
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 4: he said, all right, I'm gonna get a Seltzer water

620
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 4: with a lime. I'm like, what's going on with you, dude? Like,

621
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 4: and he goes, oh, yeah, I found Jesus and I

622
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 4: stopped drinking. And not that you need to stop drinking,

623
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 4: but that was his idol and so he felt convicted

624
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 4: for finding just to give it up. And I'm like, wait, wait,

625
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 4: hang on a minute, what like, backup, tell us the story?

626
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: And he tells.

627
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 4: My wife and I are just jaws on the floor

628
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 4: because God is just provoking the hearts of a lot

629
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Speaker 4: of his war fighters and his men, and we're seeing

630
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Speaker 4: this especially within the men of the church.

631
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Speaker 1: This revival.

632
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Speaker 4: I feel like when I look back at my life

633
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,439
Speaker 4: and I think of all the churches we went to

634
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 4: growing up, and then through my time in the military,

635
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 4: so many men were pacified through culture, and I think

636
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: through some lives, even at the pulpit, where we were

637
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: told to be a nice guy, don't make waves, don't

638
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 4: offend people, just be nice, you know, and go to

639
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: work and be nice and then come to church on Sundays.

640
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 4: And it's like, dude, I don't think that's I don't

641
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 4: think that's accurate scripture.

642
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's what Jesus calls us to be.

643
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: We're supposed to embrace masculinity as a mago day, as

644
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 4: made in God's image, and there's some incredible masculine qualities

645
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: that God gives us. Seats everywhere, right, just got to

646
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: read and they're like, oh, let's just export that into

647
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, and then I think that's the way

648
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 4: we should be. I mean, even David said, my God

649
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 4: is a God of war. Okay, doesn't mean we should

650
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: be flipping about war, but he's a God is a warrior.

651
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 4: He's a warrior and spiritual warfare is real, and.

652
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Speaker 3: We so often just pretended something about Moses looking at

653
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Speaker 3: Joshua saying, hey, listen, we just got through Red Sea. Yeah,

654
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 3: and here we are and there's a guy down there,

655
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Speaker 3: and I'm like, he's gonna kill us, and you need

656
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: to go fight him.

657
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, you better.

658
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 3: Get down there. And while you're down there, I'm gonna

659
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 3: get air in to her beside me. And I'm a

660
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: whole mom. Yeah, and hey, so we can prevail in

661
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: the ballot because again, let me say something, he's going

662
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 3: to kill us, and you've got to fight him. There's

663
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 3: Joshua down there getting after it. I'll talk to you

664
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Speaker 3: about discipline for a moment. The scripture says that we're

665
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 3: discipline ourselves to righteousness. They got a lot of people

666
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 3: out there who who want change in their life. But

667
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 3: they and I know there are a lot of factors

668
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 3: to change, but the heart of discipline the ability to

669
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 3: I'll use the word self denial for a moment. Okay,

670
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 3: that piece talk to us about how significant that is

671
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: in training fighters, if you will, and why it's critical,

672
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 3: and how can we build discipline in our own lives

673
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 3: because a lot of people just can't go there it's a.

674
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: Really good question.

675
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 4: There's a lot of seals that will talk a lot

676
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 4: about self discipline.

677
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Right, there's the Goggins out there.

678
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, like love it, get out and run fible

679
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 4: marathons this month, you know, like, oh my god, Jocko

680
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: get up four to.

681
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: Thirty in the morning every day. It's like, dude, I

682
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: love about those dudes. By the way, they're great.

683
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 4: They're great, but it's not realistic. And I think to

684
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 4: your point, like like, Okay, we all have lives well.

685
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: As seasons of life.

686
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 4: And the way I like to talk about my kids

687
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 4: is you have your physical health, you have your mental health.

688
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 1: And you have your spiritual health. It's way more complex.

689
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: I don't mean to overly simplify, but it's helpful to

690
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 4: think about it that way. Well, yeah, I can be super,

691
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: super disciplined in all three on a perfect day where

692
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 4: I'm dedicating time and investing in myself in all three.

693
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 4: But chances are most days, with our jobs, with our kids,

694
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 4: with our wives, there's sacrifice.

695
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: Involved and there's compromise, and so.

696
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 4: At any given day, all right, maybe one day I

697
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 4: can only focus on two to the three. Maybe some

698
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 4: days I'm so overwhelmed. I can only focus on one.

699
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: So what I'd offer and what I learned The most

700
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 4: important part about my last three years in the Navy,

701
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 4: where we were fighting the Navy. The most important discipline

702
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 4: you can ever have as the man is start with

703
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: your spiritual health. Start every morning getting up and you're

704
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: just craving the Word of God and getting in there

705
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: and listening to Him in your prayer.

706
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: In some mornings, you A're gonna have time for the

707
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes. Great.

708
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 4: Other mornings, dude, get upset, no agenda, Go out back,

709
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 4: find a path, go into nature, and just pray and

710
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 4: meditate on the Word. And if you're focusing on your

711
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: spiritual discipline as a man, the rest will start to

712
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 4: phone into place. Prioritize the other two Accordingly, some days

713
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 4: you'll have a great workout session.

714
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Other days you're going to read a book. Somebodys you

715
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: read booth. You're can do both. It's gonna be eight excellent.

716
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: But never ever, ever do you compromise the spiritual discipline

717
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 4: and the spiritual health that you're pursuing for the other two.

718
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: And I think that's the most critical part, because again

719
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: this is all temporal. It's a blink of the eye.

720
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 4: So yeah, focus on it's important. Paul says, this is important,

721
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 4: but eh, mildly.

722
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: I love what you're saying about anchoring yourself spiritually. You

723
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 3: got to get on that plane quick, Yes, you do.

724
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 3: It's like working out. You need to get after it

725
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: no matter what. And once you get going.

726
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: You're good. Yeah. Yeah.

727
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: What's that video on on online with that that that

728
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: general I think it was saying, hey, you want to

729
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 3: have success, you want to be a millionaire, get up

730
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: and make your bed in the morning.

731
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: I love it that went viral, right.

732
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Speaker 3: Because because one simple act sets the tone for the morning.

733
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Speaker 1: When the moments, when the moments start with these small wins. Yeah,

734
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: start with the small wins.

735
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 2: When I think about seals here for a moment, a

736
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 2: lot of people are going to naturally gravitate towards the

737
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: ideas of grit, resilience, mental toughness, discipline. But you shared

738
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Speaker 2: something at the end of the talk with the Liberty

739
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: football team that kind of blew my mind, and I

740
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: think this is where faith and you know, it's so

741
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: fun resilience being rooted in relationship, like with God. When

742
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: you have a relationship with God, even it allows you

743
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: to see things a little bit differently. But that study,

744
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: I want you to take us into the study and

745
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 2: showing that levity and humor was the most common trait

746
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: among steals.

747
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: It's great. This good friend of mine who's a seal

748
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: who later went becoming.

749
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 4: They became a psychologist, and so aw, he's like merged

750
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: these two worlds, which is really fascinating. And he did

751
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: the study where he looked at every one of our

752
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 4: graduates of our program for a couple of years, did

753
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 4: huge interview psych.

754
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: Profiles on him and built out their attributes.

755
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 4: And then he looked at all the data and tried

756
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: to line up which attributes.

757
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: Are consistent across all of you. What is it? What

758
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 1: is the key factor?

759
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 4: They've spent probably billions over the years studying us to

760
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 4: try to figure out what determined success.

761
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 1: It's a single way.

762
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 4: Because if you can figure that out, back that code

763
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 4: and cut and paste it, like yeah, we'll make a

764
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 4: lot of seals out there. He said, the only single

765
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 4: attribute he could find consistent with every one of our

766
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 4: successful graduates was this sense of levity, sense of humor.

767
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: It's and I and at first, I'm like, what that

768
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: makes no sense? At all that I thought about it.

769
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 4: Excuse me. It makes total sense because if we're designed

770
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: to produce a product that has only forged through the

771
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 4: fires of suffering, which we know well, levity is a

772
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: coping mechanism for suffering. And we know that too from

773
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 4: all the years of gallows humor that we talk about

774
00:34:58,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: and hear about going on in war.

775
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: And it's absolutely true, Like some.

776
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 4: Of my darkest moments came and then someone would crack

777
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 4: the right joke or I should say the wrong joke

778
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: at the right.

779
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: Time, and all of a sudden, we're laughing about the

780
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 3: mood change.

781
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:15,760
Speaker 1: The mood changed.

782
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: And once I learned that, when I was commanding Oscar there,

783
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 4: I started looking for it. And when I would find it,

784
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: as I told you guys, i'd see one of the

785
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: boats running by and they're just they're losing, they're they're miserable,

786
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 4: they're wet, they're sandy, they're like the most miserable people

787
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 4: on the planet, chafing everywhere, pus coming out of open wounds, and.

788
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 1: You just see him so beat down.

789
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: And just you're starting to dive into that self pity.

790
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 4: And one of those dudes would tell a joke and

791
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, they're all laughing. Shoulders go back,

792
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 4: heads come up. You see a little bit of energy

793
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 4: surge into the team. And I'd always walk over and

794
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: I would see it and I'd grab that dude, and

795
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, hey, man, you're the most important guy in

796
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 4: this boat crew. You're more important even than the leader

797
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 4: of the boat crew, whoever the oster is. Right now,

798
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,439
Speaker 4: he has his role. You have your role, talked about

799
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 4: why your role is important. You are clearly you have

800
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: the emotional intelligence to know how to do it.

801
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 1: Because it's an art. We all know those people that

802
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: it's do it right, you.

803
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: Know, laughing in the face of adversity.

804
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: Everything is that it's right, it's right.

805
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 4: And I would tell him, I keep doing what you're doing, like,

806
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 4: find the way to make dudes laugh. It is a

807
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: critical part of our survivals an organization, and I love it.

808
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: I love that about us, and I think that's insightful

809
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 4: to human nature and our need to laugh.

810
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 1: God is a great sense of humor. Yes, it is.

811
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, of course he wants us to

812
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: laugh at things. Of course, yeah, of course.

813
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: You know, as I'm looking at you, Brad, I also

814
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 2: am thinking about a dear friend of ours, Garrett uncle Back,

815
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: who's been involved with some of the things that we've

816
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: done in Ignite, come to some of our events, our

817
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: boot camps in the past and he talks about this

818
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: idea of greatness. As I'm thinking about kind of wrapping

819
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 2: up our conversation. How he defines greatness is really through

820
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: a biblical lens. He thinks greatness is acquiring all that

821
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 2: God has for us. A lot of people settle for less.

822
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 2: A lot of people say battle for mediocrity, They settle

823
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 2: for just not everything that they could potentially quench.

824
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 3: Out of life.

825
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: But it's this idea, I think that greatness is reserved

826
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: for those who refuse to give up when you gave standard,

827
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: that that that really is there that we should be aspired.

828
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I've I'm minded of the quote from C. S. Lewis,

829
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 4: but I'll mess it up because theyn't remember that. But

830
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 4: the idea that we're so content playing with mud pies

831
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 4: and I can't remember there, it is there.

832
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: It is, thank you, Yeah exactly.

833
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 3: Man.

834
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 4: If we know that God in all things works for

835
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 4: our good according to his purposes, well then that means

836
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 4: that there's something good out there. That he wants us

837
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 4: for and and we're selling ourselves short. I think to

838
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 4: your point, if we're if we're not tapping into his plan,

839
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 4: if we're not taking those steps in faith, if we're

840
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: not declaring his goodness when it's hard to when it

841
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 4: doesn't feel good to us, we're missing.

842
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: Out on that opportunity that relationship. I mean my adult life.

843
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 4: The last three years of our battle, which drove us

844
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: into the deepest, darkest despair, I got the closest with

845
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 4: God ever, and I remember at one point looking at

846
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 4: him and telling him, Hey, if you could have laid

847
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 4: this out in a formula for me and said this

848
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,319
Speaker 4: plus this plus this equals this relationship with me, and

849
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 4: he has He's told us about it, but but I

850
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: didn't know yet that it was real.

851
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: I didn't know yet that this was.

852
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: Even possible, the levels of our relationship and the riches

853
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 4: that are just there for us. And I was like, Lord,

854
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: now that I know what this is like, being this

855
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 4: close to you, if you asked me, would go back

856
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 4: and do it all again, one hundred percent. Bring it,

857
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 4: Bring the suffering if it's going to drive me into

858
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 4: your refuge. And I have this relationship that I've never experienced.

859
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: To this level.

860
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: And so yeah, but what do we do? We run

861
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 4: from these things? We we it's in our nature. I

862
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: think I think we want to bring us back to

863
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 4: the state of the garden before the fall of man.

864
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: Like we'd intrinsically want these things. So what do we

865
00:38:58,719 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 1: do as men? We try to provide.

866
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 4: We try to you know, get a property, build layers

867
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:04,879
Speaker 4: of security, get a fence, getting alarms us and get

868
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: a dog that we protect our families and we insulate

869
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 4: ourselves from suffering and we reduce it as much as possible,

870
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 4: and we increase comfort, and we resist when God brings

871
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 4: us suffering. I'm not saying you should chase it necessarily,

872
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 4: but but again, we need to think through this as men,

873
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 4: and we're missing out if we're insulating ourselves from the

874
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 4: suffering that God ordains that is necessary for us to

875
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 4: be closer to him.

876
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: Saving Private Ryan there at the end, Yeah, tell me,

877
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 3: And I was a good man. Oh yeah, there's a

878
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 3: there's a piece in us. I remember basic an a

879
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 3: I t forts Sill, Oklahoma and the graduation ceremony and

880
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 3: we walked differently that day, you know, just just kids, no, no, no,

881
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: but we walked different that day, you know. And I

882
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 3: think about this life and what does God require of

883
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 3: the pretty good standards there? But ultimately it's to be

884
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: found faithful. It's somewhere when you look over the troops,

885
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 3: it's boys.

886
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: Well done, m.

887
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 3: Mission accomplished, good and faithful servant. And are now you

888
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 3: hear what I'm saying?

889
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: Absolutely?

890
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 3: And I can't imagine as a commander, a leader looking

891
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 3: over troops. I remember General Jerry Boorkin. I interviewed General

892
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: with us about what happened over and Small Yet and

893
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 3: Mogadishu when he lost those those soldiers of his and

894
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 3: what it did to him, killed him, you know that?

895
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 3: And he said it made me look at life and uh,

896
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 3: each one of them differently put a bow tie on

897
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 3: this thing. About what's it looked like to finish? Well?

898
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 3: What what what's in the heart? What do you think?

899
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 3: What's in the heart of God as he looks at us?

900
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 3: Because hey, when I think of you, but I hear,

901
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: I mean you you're pretty bold about faith stuff now,

902
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: I mean like you like it's throwdown stuff. I get

903
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 3: it now. When you look at the platoon stuff, when

904
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: you look at your team stuff, and you begin to

905
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,239
Speaker 3: see all this. It's like God, God's team, and either

906
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: he is or he isn't. And if he is, then

907
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 3: this is throwdown. This is serious. This isn't play. Yeah,

908
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 3: you know we're we're coming. You hear what I'm saying.

909
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: And we're gonna bring a whole bunch with us too.

910
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

911
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 2: And let me add you even just this idea of

912
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:39,439
Speaker 2: being found, faithful, finishing well as you step into new

913
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: seasons of life ministry opportunities, I'm interested just what is

914
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 2: God pruning in your heart about what does it mean

915
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: for Bradley Geary to finish well?

916
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, it's it's great. I think it's it's simple testify.

917
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: You know.

918
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 4: I've told the story multiple times about the dream God

919
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 4: gave me as as I was wrestling with him and

920
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 4: I had turned my seal tried into my idol. But

921
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: the backstory behind that one was that I was taking

922
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 4: a course in how to transition out of the military,

923
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 4: and part of it was how to tell some stories.

924
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 4: They were giving us some tips and tricks on the

925
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: psychology and storytelling, and it had to culminate and you

926
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 4: had to stand up in front of a group of

927
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 4: about forty or fifty of our peers and tell a story.

928
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 4: And my coach at the time said, hey, keep it sterile,

929
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 4: no religion, no emotion. This is the business world we're

930
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: getting into. So I put one together, we rehearsed, it

931
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 4: was great. And then that night before my soul was

932
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 4: uneasy and I couldn't figure out why I was so uneasy.

933
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 4: So I was just started praying about it, and I

934
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 4: felt the Lord tell me, well, I want you to

935
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,919
Speaker 4: tell the story that I gave you in your dream

936
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 4: the other morning, and it's a real Jesus story. And

937
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 4: I'll close with that story here in a second. But

938
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 4: so I said, Lord, are you sure that's really in

939
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 4: your face? Jesus, I've never quite been that bold publicly

940
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: about my faith. And I heard him tell me in

941
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 4: my mind, if you're unwilling to glorify my name in

942
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 4: front of a group of your peers, why in the

943
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 4: world would.

944
00:42:57,320 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: I give you a larger platform to glorify my name.

945
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of biblical, like the talents, right, And

946
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 4: he who was faithful with a little had be given more.

947
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: So said I want to please you, Lord, I want

948
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 4: to unite more.

949
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: I want to draw closer to you. So I've got

950
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: to testify about your goodness. So I told that dreamed

951
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,240
Speaker 1: of the class.

952
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: It was really awkward, incredibly awkward, very difficult, but I

953
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 4: got through it, and I felt convicted and at peace

954
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 4: because I had been faithful in this small thing, and

955
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 4: I felt like bad I'd honored what God asked.

956
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: Me to do.

957
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 4: It was really only like three weeks later that Sean

958
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 4: Ryan called me on a Saturday and today, let's talk.

959
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 4: I want to get you on the show as fast

960
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 4: as possible and yeah, And so I was like, oh Lord,

961
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 4: I was faithful with a little and now you're giving

962
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 4: me a bigger platform to testify to your name.

963
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: So I know I had to tell the story on

964
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: his show.

965
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: And the story I'm telling about is over this twenty

966
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,959
Speaker 4: five year career, this seal tried in which I began

967
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 4: to love it so much. I started, I think I

968
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 4: know to love the gift more than the giver. And

969
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 4: this has become my idol. And so this dream this

970
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 4: morning that he gave me was I was out in

971
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 4: a remote value of Afghanistan. I could it tells Afghanistan.

972
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: I'm seeing myself in the third person, and I'm climbing

973
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 4: this mountain by myself, and I hear the sounds of

974
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: war all around me, but.

975
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: It's just me. But I know I'm in war, and

976
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: I know I'm in Afghanistan.

977
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: I'm climbing this mountain, giant boulders, hand over hand, just

978
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 4: crawling up this thing. And it was one of those

979
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: nights where nothing's going well. My knees are banging the rocks,

980
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 4: my gun's dangling weirdess, it's slamming into my knee. My

981
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 4: nods are foggy, night vision, foggy helmets, canted gears just

982
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 4: rubbing me wrong. That the bel crows scratching my neck.

983
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,240
Speaker 4: Everything's a struggle. But I'm climbing, and all of a sudden,

984
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 4: I'm over at a funeral and I'm snapshot it in

985
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 4: my blues. And if you don't know it, in the

986
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 4: Seal teams, when we bury one of our brothers, we

987
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 4: take off our trident and we pound it in their

988
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 4: wood casket and we put them in the ground.

989
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: So a piece of us is going with them, and

990
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: we'll be with them forever.

991
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 4: So is at a funeral, And as soon as I

992
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 4: pound it, I'm back on the mountain and I'm climbing.

993
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: But it's heavier.

994
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 4: I'm not carrying the weight of my memory of my brother.

995
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,439
Speaker 4: And then I'm back to another funeral, another casket, back

996
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 4: on the mountain, back and forth. This goes tried and

997
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 4: after tried, and that I'm pounding in all these caskets.

998
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: I finally get to the top of this mountain and

999
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 4: I'm so bone weary, fatigued, i can't even stand. I'm

1000
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 4: just I'm hunched over, heaving my lungs like my ribs

1001
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 4: feel like they're cracking. I'm breathing so hard, and I'm

1002
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: leaning on this wood post, just holding my weight up

1003
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 4: as I'm watching the sweat just pour off my face

1004
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 4: to the ground. And I finally have the strength and

1005
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 4: I lift my head and I realize I see Jesus'

1006
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 4: feet on the cross at my head level. And I'm

1007
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: standing at the foot of the cross, and I hear

1008
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 4: how beautiful upon the mountain are the feet of him

1009
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 4: who brings good news. And I couldn't even bring myself

1010
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 4: to look up to his face. I could only look

1011
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 4: at his feet. They're a bloody pulp, but I'm kissing

1012
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 4: them and I'm sobbing, and I'm rubbing my face on

1013
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 4: his feet, and I knew what he wanted me to do,

1014
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,359
Speaker 4: and so I pulled off my last seal tried and

1015
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 4: there on this mountain, and I put it under the

1016
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 4: cross and I pounded it into the foot of the cross,

1017
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,760
Speaker 4: and I knew he wanted me to give him that idol.

1018
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,480
Speaker 4: So the follow up there is I wake up like,

1019
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: well that was weird, Like I don't I'm not the

1020
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 4: no one that no one remembers dreams. So I was like,

1021
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 4: this is different. But I started doubting, and I started

1022
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 4: talking doubt into myself. And so I'm out on the

1023
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 4: patio not doing my quiet time with the Lord, and

1024
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 4: I was like, Lord, I just need to be Gideon

1025
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 4: for a moment. Give me one more sign that this

1026
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 4: is what you're asking me to do, to give you

1027
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 4: my idol, because I really trying to convince him that

1028
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: this wasn't my idol, Like I don't.

1029
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: Need to give it you because it's not really my idol.

1030
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 4: Right, And as I swipe, now my prayer app to

1031
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 4: the next verse that comes across my verse totally arbitrary

1032
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 4: but not coincidental.

1033
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: Exodus chapter twenty, verse three.

1034
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 4: It's Moses coming off the mountain giving the ten Commandments,

1035
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 4: and the first thing he says is, you shall have

1036
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 4: no other gods before me. You shall not make for

1037
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 4: yourselves images of the beasts of the air, beasts of

1038
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 4: the ground, or beasts of the sea, sea, air, and land.

1039
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 4: That's the seal trident. So here's this verse where Moses

1040
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 4: is saying, don't carve for yourself idols of the beasts

1041
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 4: of the sea, air, and land. And that's exactly what

1042
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 4: the seal treadent stands for. And it's exactly what I

1043
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 4: just pulled off of my dream and Hammond of the Cross.

1044
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: So I knew in that moment, I'm like, Okay, back

1045
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 4: to God, have a sense of humor.

1046
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,720
Speaker 1: I was belly laughing.

1047
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 4: Because he had answered this prayer that I need one

1048
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 4: more sign from you, God, and he gives it in

1049
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 4: this moment, and so so I was like, Okay, I'm

1050
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,919
Speaker 4: giving you my idols. I'm giving you everything, everything because

1051
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 4: I love you so much more than anything that you

1052
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 4: might give me in this temporal earth. So that's all

1053
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 4: I'm doing now, is I'm just testifying of his goodness.

1054
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 4: I'm testifying about him who is trustworthy, and we're going

1055
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: to see where he takes us.

1056
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,280
Speaker 1: With that, and exactly to your point.

1057
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 4: All I really want is like David, to spend the

1058
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 4: days of my life in his kingdom, in his throne room,

1059
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 4: glorifying him.

1060
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: And I want to hear well done, good and faithful servant.

1061
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: For Stesssalonians four eleven to twelve.

1062
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: They say, make it your aim or ambition to live

1063
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: a quiet life, minding your own business, working with your hands,

1064
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: just as you've been instructed, so that way you might

1065
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 2: win the respect of outsiders and not grow dependent upon anybody.

1066
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 2: My prayer for you, I know my dad's as well,

1067
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: and all of us here at Ignite in aacc is

1068
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: that you would continue to testify of His goodness, of

1069
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: his grace, that you would continue to say serve, that

1070
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: you would continue to surrender, that you would continue to

1071
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: sacrifice on his behalf. My friend, God is doing something

1072
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 2: special in you, Bradley Berea.

1073
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 3: Hey, precious, are those whose feet are shod with the

1074
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 3: preparation of the Gospel? Tell you what?

1075
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: Hey? What a calling? Yah?

1076
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: What a called privilege?

1077
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 2: Oh?

1078
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: What a privilege?

1079
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 3: Soldiers? Again?

1080
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 4: Yes, in a grander and eternal war, right, the spiritual

1081
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 4: war is raging.

1082
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 2: And I might chest bump you before we get do it, Brad,

1083
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: let me ask this, where can our audience go to

1084
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: find out more about you? If they're listening to you

1085
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: for the first time, I'll know about them. I would

1086
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: want to know everything there is to know, and I'd

1087
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: want to watch every video possible.

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Speaker 1: Thanks man. We've been on a few podcasts out there.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Sean Ryan have been on there twice, The Resilience

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Speaker 4: Show which had Robshaw have been on there. Apology at Church.

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Speaker 4: I'm wearing one of their shirts right now. They interviewed

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Speaker 4: me and my wife and I'll tell you so grateful.

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Speaker 4: They were the first person to give her a voice,

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Speaker 4: and she has a voice that a lot of the

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Speaker 4: women of the church I think need to hear.

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Speaker 1: So those are out there. We're writing a book right now.

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Speaker 4: We're submitting to God on that one, but Amy's voices

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Speaker 4: in that book as well.

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Speaker 1: It'll be a it's.

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Speaker 4: Our story, but it's a memoir on leadership, faith and suffering,

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Speaker 4: and so stand by for that. Go to www dot

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Speaker 4: hardmindsoft heart dot com. That's going to be the title

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Speaker 4: of our book and you'll see announcements and as we

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Speaker 4: get closer and closer to the release date, but we're

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Speaker 4: excited to see where God's taking that.

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Speaker 2: Brad, this has been a delight, my friend. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for pouring into us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about you, Dad, but I enjoyed this one.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys.

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Speaker 2: Look for I'm going to go look for a brick wall,

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Speaker 2: pera do it hey to our audience that built it.

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Speaker 2: I just wanted to say thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: joining us. As Brad reminded us, suffering doesn't just happen

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Speaker 2: to you, It happens for you. Continue to press into

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Speaker 2: that team ability, continue to suffer well, and remember the

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Speaker 2: words of Joe twenty three to ten. Our theme here

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Speaker 2: forged through the fire. But he knows the way that

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Speaker 2: you take. And when he has tested you, when he's

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Speaker 2: refined you, and he's purified you in the midst of

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Speaker 2: the fire, you too will come forth as goal.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us. We love being a part

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Speaker 3: of your life.