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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. We're here
Speaker 3: in Phoenix, Arizona at the y REFI Studio.
Speaker 2: Blake, how we doing, Oh, we're doing great. It's a
Speaker 2: good morning.
Speaker 4: It's a good morning. It's a great morning for our
Speaker 4: event here.
Speaker 3: It is Build the Red Wall is happening today in Phoenix, Arizona.
Speaker 3: If you look just behind Blake's shoulder, maybe at an
Speaker 3: ISO on Blake there it is Build the Red Wall.
Speaker 3: You see Trump's Trump's face right there, and it is happening.
Speaker 3: It starts today at twelve o'clock local time at Dream
Speaker 3: City Church. We are expecting a packed house. People already
Speaker 3: streaming in. The line is building, they're chanting, they're waving flags.
Speaker 3: Even there's an Elvis siding. I'm really yeah, yes sexually
Speaker 3: at Elvis sliding lives. So if you're in line, our
Speaker 3: people are gonna come get you, water, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be an excellent event. Some obviously a lot
Speaker 3: of security. We're gonna they're gonna be making us sweep
Speaker 3: cars and think, well, we're not doing the Secret Service
Speaker 3: is doing that.
Speaker 2: Just know that this is all planned.
Speaker 3: So get in line, don't worry about it, and we'll
Speaker 3: have our people come out and talk to you and
Speaker 3: all that stuff. So Dream City Church, build the Red Wall.
Speaker 3: It's it's a great day to have President Trump in
Speaker 3: Phoenix because Blake ceasefire, Well, we got the ceasefire, and
Speaker 3: the President has fired off a stream of true socials.
Speaker 3: We could probably just start rotating through some of these
Speaker 3: of the fact that the Strait has been opened. Even
Speaker 3: Iran's spokespeople are confirming that the Strait is in fact open.
Speaker 5: So to supply context for this, do it, do it.
Speaker 5: We announced the seas fire all a while ago, but
Speaker 5: then there was some friction because they wanted it to
Speaker 5: apply to Lebanon. We said it didn't apply to Lebanon,
Speaker 5: so they said it really wasn't fully open. So then
Speaker 5: we began blockading the Straight. So what was announced late
Speaker 5: last night was there is a ten day a ceasefire
Speaker 5: between Israel and HESBLA in southern Lebanon that was agreed
Speaker 5: through negotiations here in Washington. And because that ceasefire has
Speaker 5: been achieved, Iran now says they're ready to leave the
Speaker 5: Straight open. But President Trump does say that the blockade
Speaker 5: will continue until we can reach a final agreement with Iran.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: And I think this is a really telling clip because
Speaker 3: as soon as listen, you may not like this conflict,
Speaker 3: you may have skepticism hesitancy, as I did. But President
Speaker 3: Trump's onto something with this blockade, and the blockade sort
Speaker 3: of exposed. So you know, first of all, you got
Speaker 3: the strikes they take out the missile capabilities.
Speaker 2: That's all well and good. You've got I don't know.
Speaker 3: Ten to fifteen US destroyers in the area, vessels that
Speaker 3: can actually shoot down missiles whatever they have left in
Speaker 3: their stockpile. So now the Strait was their big point
Speaker 3: of leverage. So if you block the straight, you're cutting
Speaker 3: off their money. That's really a big deal to Iran
Speaker 3: and the future prospects of the Irani regime what's left
Speaker 3: of it. And I think this word that President Trump
Speaker 3: uses with CNN is really really important. Let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and play SOT eight.
Speaker 6: Do you think we're now in week seven, entering into
Speaker 6: week seven?
Speaker 7: Do you think this is it?
Speaker 4: This is the beginning of the end of this war?
Speaker 7: I do. I think the Straits of Horror mows showed
Speaker 7: us the Achilles heel for Iran. I mean, I'm a
Speaker 7: business guy. I know that when revenues start to dry up,
Speaker 7: that all of a sudden, you've start to scramble. I
Speaker 7: think the Iranian regime realized that their cash flow was
Speaker 7: going to take a big hit when all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: ships can't move in and out of the straits of
Speaker 7: horror news. And so I think President Trump did a
Speaker 7: brilliant job of taking that position. I mean it was,
Speaker 7: you know, it seemed risky to everybody, but really it
Speaker 7: was the one that I think put them on their
Speaker 7: heels and said, look, we have to have that cash.
Speaker 7: We've got to find a deal. It'll be interesting. I
Speaker 7: think at the end who we're actually really dealing with.
Speaker 7: I know President Trump knows that.
Speaker 3: So again, sorry, that was Rep. Marlin Stutzman who use
Speaker 3: that word. The Achilles heel of the Iranian regime is
Speaker 3: that straight of horror moose. That's where all their money
Speaker 3: comes from. That's where all the oil flows out. And
Speaker 3: it's not just oil, by the way, it's petrochemicals. It's
Speaker 3: all kinds of different products. So if you block that
Speaker 3: straight and you cut off Iran's ability to get revenue
Speaker 3: from their energy, you basically strangle the economy of Iran,
Speaker 3: and the Iranian leaders understand that. So when you find
Speaker 3: the Achilles heel of your enemy or your opponent in
Speaker 3: this case, now this is straight, you can really exact
Speaker 3: a really massive toll a price. And what is the price?
Speaker 3: President Trump is going to ensure at least this is
Speaker 3: what we're hearing, that he's going to get all of
Speaker 3: the nuclear components, the nuclear dust, yes, he says, uranium dust.
Speaker 5: Let's just we should read some of these, yeah, he says.
Speaker 5: So he opened just two hours ago. He said, the
Speaker 5: Straight of Horror Moves is completely open and ready for
Speaker 5: business and full passage. But the naval blockade will remain
Speaker 5: in force and in effect as it pertains to Iran,
Speaker 5: only until such time as our transaction with Iran is
Speaker 5: one hundred percent complete. This process should go very quickly,
Speaker 5: and that most of the points are already negotiated. Thank
Speaker 5: you for your attention, and then he continued right after
Speaker 5: without all caps. This time, the USA will get all
Speaker 5: nuclear dust created by our great b two bombers. No
Speaker 5: money will exchange hands in any way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: We know.
Speaker 5: He was very critical of the Obama nuclear deal, which
Speaker 5: gave Iran a lot of money. He says, this deal
Speaker 5: is in no way subject to Lebanon, but the USA
Speaker 5: will separately work with Lebanon and deal with the HESBLA
Speaker 5: situation in an appropriate manner.
Speaker 4: Israel will not.
Speaker 5: Be bombing Lebanon any longer they are prohibited from doing
Speaker 5: so by the USA. Enough is enough. That's a very
Speaker 5: interesting statement.
Speaker 2: Can I pause on this one really quick?
Speaker 3: So I was talking with somebody that is looking at
Speaker 3: the numbers, look at the polling for midterms yesterday, and
Speaker 3: I said, well, what can we what can we do?
Speaker 3: What would be your advice? And the advice was really clear.
Speaker 3: It said President Trump has to assert his independence from
Speaker 3: Israel immediately. Now I don't know if this person is
Speaker 3: speaking to the ADMIN about this specifically, but this tweet
Speaker 3: stood out to me because this truth because he's saying
Speaker 3: we're in charge, They're not in charge. We're mandating the
Speaker 3: terms of this, We're telling them to knock it off again.
Speaker 3: Remember that moment after Midnight Hammer where there was still
Speaker 3: some missiles going back and forth between Israel in Iran
Speaker 3: and he was not happy. Remember that where he's walking
Speaker 3: out to the I think on the south lawn of
Speaker 3: the White House and he's like, I'm not happy. This
Speaker 3: is not gonna you know, And that was a really
Speaker 3: important moment, I think for the president in that time.
Speaker 3: Fast forward today, he's sort of doing this via truth, saying,
Speaker 3: here's the terms. Lebanon's not gonna scuttle the deal. I'm
Speaker 3: not going to allow Israel's fight with Hezbolah, whatever you
Speaker 3: may think of that, to scuttle the deal because we
Speaker 3: had a larger thing that we're doing here, and frankly,
Speaker 3: it's too important to America to get the deal done
Speaker 3: and over the finish line. And this is my big
Speaker 3: message and my hope is that this is really and
Speaker 3: truly the culmination, the finish, the end of this conflict
Speaker 3: in Iran. Let's wrap it up, let's declare victory, Let's
Speaker 3: get the uranium dust, let's put our people in there,
Speaker 3: Let's establish and normalize relations with Iran. If he can
Speaker 3: do that in the next if we can wrap this
Speaker 3: puppy up in two three weeks, that is a huge, huge, huge, huge.
Speaker 3: I would call it a win, a definitive win for
Speaker 3: President Trump. Now, the political fallout is still a thing.
Speaker 3: It's gonna take some time to shake this off, especially
Speaker 3: with younger voters. I've told you guys on the show
Speaker 3: a number of times that young people don't like the
Speaker 3: Iranian war.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't like it.
Speaker 3: Okay, now, you might like it out there, you might
Speaker 3: trust Trump, you might see the geopolitical ramifications of this,
Speaker 3: but that doesn't mean that normies out there that aren't
Speaker 3: consuming the news every day understand the ramifications geopolitically, what
Speaker 3: this does to China, what this does potentially to end
Speaker 3: conflicts for a long time in the Middle East. And
Speaker 3: I've said it again. I've said it before and I'll
Speaker 3: say it again that this could have been the absolutely
Speaker 3: right geopolitical national security move, but it will have a
Speaker 3: political cost. So the point in politics is where do
Speaker 3: you want to spend your political capital. We want to
Speaker 3: get through this, and we want to spend our political
Speaker 3: capital right here at home. We want to a nation
Speaker 3: build right here at home. I think it's pretty it's
Speaker 3: as you say. I think it's pretty clear.
Speaker 5: As we said, this had a political hit to the president,
Speaker 5: but we said, if he can resolve it successfully, pivot domestically,
Speaker 5: and if he has something he can point to with
Speaker 5: that this is our last war that this was a
Speaker 5: successful war.
Speaker 4: They will get over it.
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Speaker 5: We have the excellent Chris Rufo joining us to talk
Speaker 5: about his sustained operation to bring down Gavin Newsom's California
Speaker 5: before it devours the entire country.
Speaker 4: Chris, are you there?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm here. Good to be with you guys.
Speaker 4: What's so amazing.
Speaker 5: Ab What we did is when we first reached out
Speaker 5: to you, it was a week or two ago, and
Speaker 5: at that time it was your article in City Journal,
Speaker 5: which everyone should check out. It is Gavin Newsom's empire
Speaker 5: of fraud. California has lost at least one hundred and
Speaker 5: eighty billion dollars to fraud, according to officials and experts.
Speaker 5: We'll get to that in just a second. But just
Speaker 5: in the last few days, you got another story which
Speaker 5: went incredibly viral and deservedly so, which is that California
Speaker 5: is I don't even in a sense, I don't know
Speaker 5: why this is a news story because I think Kamala
Speaker 5: Harris basically ran on this as her platform in twenty
Speaker 5: twenty four. But California is giving free sex change procedures
Speaker 5: to homeless illegal aliens. Your team went into the streets
Speaker 5: and you found the people who are getting free taxpayer
Speaker 5: funded hormones, breast implants, sex change operations. Chris tell us
Speaker 5: more about it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 9: And so if you look in California's medical documents, it
Speaker 9: says very clearly that they provide healthcare to illegal aliens
Speaker 9: and also that they provide gender affirming care, which is
Speaker 9: a euphemism for sex change procedures. But we went a
Speaker 9: little bit deeper and wanted to figure out where these
Speaker 9: things intersect. So we visited a number of homeless shelters
Speaker 9: in San Francisco, and outside of each one there were
Speaker 9: groups of transmigrants, mostly from Honduras and Mexico, who told
Speaker 9: us very clearly, we came into the United States and
Speaker 9: many cases crossed the border illegally because we knew that
Speaker 9: if we made it to San Francisco that Gavin Newsom
Speaker 9: would give us free sex change, hormones, free shelter, free food,
Speaker 9: free gender surgeries. And so it was kind of one
Speaker 9: of those moments where you're like blown away because it
Speaker 9: seems like a right wing fever dream. But in the
Speaker 9: streets of California, on the ground, first hand sources.
Speaker 8: They tell you as if it were just another Tuesday.
Speaker 5: So even if this was costing ten dollars, it would
Speaker 5: be manifestly insane.
Speaker 4: But what's the expense on some of these operations.
Speaker 5: How much does it cost to give one of these
Speaker 5: illegal migrants breast implants or to lop it off as
Speaker 5: it were.
Speaker 8: Well, what's really interesting is the total cost.
Speaker 9: So some of the more complex genital surgeries can cost
Speaker 9: half a million dollars. But what happens when you go
Speaker 9: through all of these surgical procedures you start taking the hormones.
Speaker 9: You become a lifelong ward of the transgender medical system.
Speaker 9: So you have to go back month after month after
Speaker 9: month for your entire life to receive all of these
Speaker 9: follow up treatments, and so the cost can easily balloon
Speaker 9: into seven figures. This is a million dollar, multimillion dollar
Speaker 9: lifetime medical process. And so you know why doctors like
Speaker 9: to do it, because they have a lifetime patient. You
Speaker 9: know why Gavin Newsom likes to do it because he
Speaker 9: gets a pat on the head from all of the
Speaker 9: left wing activists that are living in his state and
Speaker 9: living across the country. But what's mind boggling is that
Speaker 9: California voters also seem to support these policies.
Speaker 8: It costs them money. It's barbaric.
Speaker 9: I think we'll look back in fifty or one hundred
Speaker 9: years and this will be just like some of those
Speaker 9: horrific medical experiments of the past. It will be something
Speaker 9: that is recognized as a form of barbarism.
Speaker 5: I think you're absolutely right, and I think that's the
Speaker 5: point very much worth emphasizing.
Speaker 4: These are not one off surgeries.
Speaker 5: There's stuff people aren't even maybe familiar with that they'll get,
Speaker 5: like male to females, they'll get their Adams apple shaved
Speaker 5: down because that's male prominent.
Speaker 4: You'll shave down their cheekbone, have a softer.
Speaker 3: You know, we're all gentlemen here, at least I suspect
Speaker 3: we are the and and sometimes we use euphemisms to
Speaker 3: talk about how disgusting this stuff is. But if you
Speaker 3: are a male to female transition er, uh, then I
Speaker 3: I mean they're literally boring a hole in your pelvis,
Speaker 3: and that hole wants to heal. And this is what
Speaker 3: you're talking about. You become a lifelong ward of this,
Speaker 3: of the state, or of the medical industrial complex here,
Speaker 3: and you have to receive treatments over your life to
Speaker 3: ensure that this stays. Like this opening is barbaric. It's
Speaker 3: extraordinarily barbaric. And to think that California would would do
Speaker 3: this to its own taxpayers and the taxpayers would somehow
Speaker 3: go along with this as if it was compassionate. I mean,
Speaker 3: do we have polling on this, Chris in the state
Speaker 3: of California.
Speaker 9: Yeah, it really depends how you phrase it. And so
Speaker 9: if you phrase it like the left likes to do
Speaker 9: as life saving, gender affirming care, it pulls fairly well.
Speaker 8: But if you actually explain to.
Speaker 9: People the kind of physical mechanics of what this is,
Speaker 9: and Andrew, your point is really a good one. You know,
Speaker 9: we talked with one of these migrants, transmigrants from Mexico
Speaker 9: who said he got free breast implants for medical and
Speaker 9: he was now on the wait list for bottom surgery,
Speaker 9: which is another one of those euphemisms as you're talking about,
Speaker 9: which is essentially castrating an adult male and using that
Speaker 9: penile tissue to create an artificial vagina. I mean, this
Speaker 9: is doctor Frankenstein. This is barbarism. And again if you
Speaker 9: explain that to people, the popularity plummets. Even in a
Speaker 9: left wing state like California, people just are are they
Speaker 9: don't want this. When you tell them the truth, they recoil.
Speaker 9: And so that's why it's important, as you guys have
Speaker 9: done on the show, and as Charlie did over and over,
Speaker 9: to just give people the straight even if it's a
Speaker 9: little bit uncomfortable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Chris, I just want to pause because I know
Speaker 3: Blake's an avid reader and I'm such a huge fan
Speaker 3: as well of the work that you guys are doing
Speaker 3: at City Journal Manhattan Institute.
Speaker 2: You guys have some of the most incredible reporting.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Minneapolis stuff was from I believe you
Speaker 3: and your colleague Ryan tell me his name.
Speaker 2: I want to give him a shout out.
Speaker 4: Thorpe.
Speaker 3: Thorpe, Ryan Thorpe. He came on the show and talk.
Speaker 3: I mean, but like, these stories are huge, they're shocking.
Speaker 3: You guys do really good research. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 3: it really is the investigative journalism answer to so much
Speaker 3: of the apparatus that's set up on the other side
Speaker 3: of the aisle. And so I just want to give
Speaker 3: you guys a big hat tip and a shout out there.
Speaker 3: And we do have a clip here that I was oh,
Speaker 3: of course, Yeah, this is just a show that you
Speaker 3: guys did your field work here Sat nine.
Speaker 4: And nakatans one man.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't I feel say.
Speaker 11: Were you able to get the hormones or you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: I did that with my BILTA.
Speaker 11: So medical you've got the bresident plench, yes, wow, taxpayer
Speaker 11: funded so here in California, they gave you the breast
Speaker 11: implant here, Yes, free.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Wow, congratulations. Do you feel like that's a good benefit
Speaker 11: for other migrants here in California?
Speaker 13: Yeah, even so you don't your undocumented, you can get in.
Speaker 2: Did you do bottom two bottom.
Speaker 11: Surgery while you're waiting for bottom surgery?
Speaker 2: Okay? There it is.
Speaker 3: Is that Jonathan Choe if I heard the voice right,
Speaker 3: We work with them attorney point front lines as well.
Speaker 8: He's a Yeah, Jonathan is one of the best I know.
Speaker 9: He's been doing frontlines for you, He's been doing work
Speaker 9: for me, be doing work for Discovery Institute. And it's
Speaker 9: really important, and it's really important to go out onto
Speaker 9: the ground, talk to people, get the real story. And
Speaker 9: I appreciate all that you guys have done to kind
Speaker 9: of boost these stories that we're doing. And the formula
Speaker 9: that we've developed is pretty simple. We have now a
Speaker 9: growing team of investigative reporters and we put in the work.
Speaker 8: I mean, we have reporters.
Speaker 9: Spending a month, sometimes two months just on a single story.
Speaker 9: We're not a content mill trying to generate, you know,
Speaker 9: a million links a day, but we really want those
Speaker 9: stories that peel back the kind of onion of progressive
Speaker 9: governance in this case in California to reveal what's happening
Speaker 9: beneath the surface.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I really love I want to flag this because
Speaker 5: Gavin Newsom's government has tried to dispute the fraud claims,
Speaker 5: which we'll get to in the next segment, but they
Speaker 5: have in fact doubled.
Speaker 4: Down on this transsurgery thing.
Speaker 5: They put out a statement, this is from Gavin Newsom's
Speaker 5: communications office, Undocumented Californians don't get special treatment. Everyone on
Speaker 5: medical gets the same access to care. If you want
Speaker 5: to call California woke for not letting politicians interfere with
Speaker 5: doctors or not wanting people to die in the streets.
Speaker 4: Then go ahead. That's their that's their response to the
Speaker 4: clip we just played.
Speaker 3: Oh dear, Yeah, I mean, what's your what's your reaction
Speaker 3: to Gavin new some of the framing of that tweet, Well.
Speaker 8: It's classic emotional blackmail. And so this is something we
Speaker 8: see even with young girls.
Speaker 9: They say, you know, if you don't let this person transition,
Speaker 9: if you don't provide the hormones and the surgeries and
Speaker 9: the drugs, they're going to commit suicide. So that's what
Speaker 9: he's that's what they're referring to. It's of course totally dishonest,
Speaker 9: the facts unsubstantiated, and of course he's essentially admitting that, yes,
Speaker 9: we are giving transgenders, migrants and illegal aliens these gender surgeries,
Speaker 9: but it's.
Speaker 8: A good thing. And so you know, he can't escape
Speaker 8: the facts.
Speaker 9: They knew that we had caught them in the act,
Speaker 9: and so they're trying to run defense and these very sleazy,
Speaker 9: emotional blackmail techniques that we've seen for years.
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Speaker 5: So we covered the trans focus, but there's a bigger
Speaker 5: picture that you've been highlighting, which is that this is
Speaker 5: one small part. I guess you can't even call that fraudulent.
Speaker 5: They're just openly saying this is what we spend money on.
Speaker 5: But there's also that California is the apotheosis of what
Speaker 5: you might call the Minnesota problem, which is easy fraud
Speaker 5: all over the place that's going unchecked. You call it
Speaker 5: the Empire of fraud. California has lost at least one
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty billion dollars to fraud. If you want
Speaker 5: a point of comparison, that's about the size of the
Speaker 5: economy of Qatar, or Kuwait or Rezbekistan. It's larger than
Speaker 5: the economy of Mississippi. That's a pretty large amount of fraud,
Speaker 5: and it's coming from a lot of different places, isn't it.
Speaker 9: Chris, Yeah, I mean we reported We had four reporters
Speaker 9: working on this story for a number of months, and
Speaker 9: it felt like every lead we chased down opened up
Speaker 9: a whole dozen new leads about fraud within the California system.
Speaker 9: But if you want to break it down in the
Speaker 9: simplest way possible, you have three major buckets. The first
Speaker 9: is unemployment insurance. We know that unemployment insurance in California
Speaker 9: was defrauded of more than thirty billion dollars under Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 9: The second bucket, the biggest bucket, is medical the state
Speaker 9: medicaid program. We know that there is you know, somewhere
Speaker 9: between twenty and twenty five percent of that budget is
Speaker 9: lost every year to fraud. Currently about two hundred billion
Speaker 9: dollars in total spending, so we're talking about, you know,
Speaker 9: let's say between twenty and fifty billion dollars conservatively on
Speaker 9: the low end, and then a kind of grab bag
Speaker 9: of other programs that are rife with fraud, homelessness services,
Speaker 9: food stamps, autism services, welfare programs, and so if you
Speaker 9: really pull the total scale of this is really astonishing,
Speaker 9: And it seems that California is designed to do two things. One,
Speaker 9: it's designed to line the pockets of Gavin Newsom's key
Speaker 9: allies in the labor unions, the teachers unions, the medical system.
Speaker 8: And then second, it seemed to permit fraud because fraud
Speaker 8: increases spending, fraud increases the kind of perception of job
Speaker 8: growth within the state, and that some of that fraud
Speaker 8: is doubtlessly routed into the NGOs, into the unions, into
Speaker 8: the other parts of the system where Gavin Newsom generates
Speaker 8: his power.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just I'm looking through some of the examples.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 5: You have someone who embezzled two point two million dollars
Speaker 5: for exotic cars. They got the monthly rent on a
Speaker 5: sixty five hundred square foot mansion. There's just example after example,
Speaker 5: and it was really it stands out a lot of
Speaker 5: those just it seems like it went. It was always there.
Speaker 5: It was always bad in California. But what really to
Speaker 5: just become permanent and much bigger than ever.
Speaker 4: Before is COVID.
Speaker 5: That COVID really just it's set the standard that we're
Speaker 5: going to give away almost unlimited amounts of money, and
Speaker 5: it sort of normalized the practice of just essentially not checking.
Speaker 4: That's why fraud is so glaring here.
Speaker 5: It seems like it's considered immoral, impractical, unethical to check
Speaker 5: the claims of anybody who's trying to take state money.
Speaker 4: Is that a fair characterization?
Speaker 8: It's more than fair. I mean, Blake, you put it perfectly.
Speaker 9: During the early months of COVID and California's response, they
Speaker 9: essentially opened up the unemployment insurance program to distribute money,
Speaker 9: you know, with no checks. In our reporting, we found
Speaker 9: two very interesting things. One, there were only two bureaucrats
Speaker 9: in Sacramento controlling potential fraud in the unemployment system, which
Speaker 9: was issuing you know, tens of billions of dollars per
Speaker 9: month in claims. I mean, it was really just open season.
Speaker 9: And one of the stories we found, which was just
Speaker 9: a perfect encapsulation. During this period, a rapper in Memphis,
Speaker 9: Tennessee named Nuke Bisel released a music video showing exactly
Speaker 9: how he was filing false claims with California unemployment and
Speaker 9: harvesting hundreds of thousands of dollars out of the system.
Speaker 9: Because he made the music video, he was eventually tried
Speaker 9: and convicted for embezzling seven hundred thousand dollars. But the
Speaker 9: kind of dirty secret he only got caught because he
Speaker 9: literally made a music video teaching people how he was
Speaker 9: stealing money.
Speaker 2: From the state of California.
Speaker 8: So if you kept it a little more low key,
Speaker 8: you almost certainly got away with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I'm looking here that they were paying.
Speaker 5: They paid out some COVID benefits to a bunch of
Speaker 5: hundreds of millions of dollars worth to prisoners names, including
Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty three inmates on death row.
Speaker 3: Is this just a rubber stamp? It's just like, is
Speaker 3: this are these this money? It just seems like nobody's
Speaker 3: checking any of the work. They're not checking to see
Speaker 3: if people are actually need this. And I think that's
Speaker 3: the other side of the story, is that not only
Speaker 3: is it fleecing the taxpayers, but it's so bad that
Speaker 3: you have to imagine people that actually need help and
Speaker 3: services are not able to get it or something. I mean,
Speaker 3: I just I'm are there any checks and balances?
Speaker 2: Chris No?
Speaker 9: And in fact, at every turn we found this in
Speaker 9: our reporting. You know, the news administration and state Democrats
Speaker 9: have systematically dismantled oversight investigations, fraud controls.
Speaker 8: It really does.
Speaker 9: Appear that they see the fraud as some kind of
Speaker 9: social justice, maybe redistribution of wealth from California's wealthy class
Speaker 9: and productive class to California's criminal class. I mean, you
Speaker 9: really need to go back and read your Dostoyevsky and
Speaker 9: read your Nietzsche to find the philosophical core of this,
Speaker 9: because on the surface, if you're a regular middle class taxpayer,
Speaker 9: it's almost too difficult to understand. How does the kleptocratic,
Speaker 9: criminal political class in California just give out tens of
Speaker 9: billions of dollars per year to fraudsters with seemingly no
Speaker 9: interest in making it stop.
Speaker 5: You guys have done incredible work over at City Journal,
Speaker 5: over at the Manhattan It takes a long time, and
Speaker 5: do it this way. If you're a young person out there,
Speaker 5: I will note that Manhattan institute in city. Know they're
Speaker 5: often soliciting for potential fellows, potential reporters. So if you're
Speaker 5: trying to make it in the world and want to
Speaker 5: make a difference, consider shooting them a resume. They are
Speaker 5: hiring pretty regularly. Chris, thank you very much. You guys
Speaker 5: have done tremendous work. We love having you on to
Speaker 5: highlight it.
Speaker 8: Thanks guys, keep it up.
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Speaker 13: Why guys, thanks, thanks, thanks, thanks for taking my calls.
Speaker 13: Good to good to talk with you too.
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 13: I was I was wondering what what you did with
Speaker 13: the microphone that Glenn Beck gave you that that used
Speaker 13: to be rushes.
Speaker 3: The Golden eib microphone excellent excellence in broadcasting. So a
Speaker 3: little backstory here. When Charlie and I first decided we're
Speaker 3: gonna start the Charlie Kirk Show and we're gonna do
Speaker 3: a podcast and a broadcast. I remember the first conversation
Speaker 3: I had with Charlie about it, and I asked him.
Speaker 2: What did he want to be? What did he want
Speaker 2: to become?
Speaker 3: And I said, do you want to become president? You know,
Speaker 3: I just threw it out there at that point. It
Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people ended up making that
Speaker 3: thought about Charlie or thinking that could be a potential
Speaker 3: in his future later on, but this was early.
Speaker 2: I said, you want to be president? You want to
Speaker 2: be Rush Limbaugh.
Speaker 3: And he said, well, I definitely know that I want
Speaker 3: to be more like Rush Limba. If I had to
Speaker 3: pick a route, not to compare himself to Rush by
Speaker 3: any way, by any stretch of the imagination. He just
Speaker 3: said that that is is a direction of where I
Speaker 3: want to go.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: And Charlie and I were both Rush babies. We grew
Speaker 3: up with our parents listening to Rush in the car.
Speaker 3: And he left a profound impact on both my life
Speaker 3: and Charlie's life. And so when Glenn Beck came to
Speaker 3: the studio and put that mic on in front of
Speaker 3: Charlie's chair. It was a tremendous honor and an amazing moment.
Speaker 3: I remember, I got kind of emotional. I was sitting
Speaker 3: in the bullpen watching the show from the bullpen, and
Speaker 3: so it was an amazing moment that being said, that mic,
Speaker 3: that microphone belongs in Glenn Beck's museum. So it was
Speaker 3: not a permanent gift.
Speaker 4: It was a sort of it was a lovely tribute.
Speaker 5: It not permanently gift us, which is frankly good because,
Speaker 5: as he said, Glenn actually has a museum in the
Speaker 5: Dallas area. You can go and see it yourself, uh,
Speaker 5: which is and a lot of other things. He's quite
Speaker 5: collect He's a very avid collector. I once went he
Speaker 5: had a I was once able to go to sort
Speaker 5: of an open house where they had the main museum
Speaker 5: but also a storage area. There's a tremendous number of
Speaker 5: historical documents that he collects throughout American history and world history,
Speaker 5: religious history.
Speaker 4: Very interesting place to go.
Speaker 5: So if you ever have the chance to see that,
Speaker 5: if you're in the Dallas area, you should you should
Speaker 5: do so.
Speaker 3: Great pool studio here that is that. That was Glenn
Speaker 3: Beck presenting the Golden EIB microphone, And uh yeah, I
Speaker 3: mean that thing is iconic, you know it is. And
Speaker 3: I love the way Rush would kind of sit back
Speaker 3: from These are actually the same make, make and model
Speaker 3: of the of the Golden the IB microphone.
Speaker 2: It's just his was cold.
Speaker 3: These are the standard ones, but he would he would
Speaker 3: kind of sit back, and he always had like perfect
Speaker 3: microphone etiquette. So if you get into broadcasting, you hear
Speaker 3: about microphone etiquette. I like to be a little closer,
Speaker 3: but Bret Rush would kind of stand there and kind
Speaker 3: of talk into it, and uh, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a tremendous honor.
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful, beautiful piece, and I'm glad it's in
Speaker 3: the museum safe and sound, and you know, honestly, we
Speaker 3: probably couldn't keep it as safe as it needed to
Speaker 3: be here anyways, with as many people are in and
Speaker 3: out of out of the studio.
Speaker 2: So that's what happened to it.
Speaker 3: But it was a beautiful gesture from from the great
Speaker 3: Glenn Beck to bring that here and present it to Charlie's.
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's good to know. I'm I'm I'm glad. It's
Speaker 13: some plays working beyond it with the way it should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, of course. Well thanks for your question.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny, I've don We've gotten that question
Speaker 3: a lot actually, so I'm glad we get a chance
Speaker 3: to kind of address it publicly. All right, Next up
Speaker 3: we have David David. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 3: Unmute yourself.
Speaker 13: Hey, how are we doing today?
Speaker 2: Doing great? David? How about yourself?
Speaker 4: Good? My question is real quick.
Speaker 14: First of all, you guys are doing a great job.
Speaker 10: Stiank you doing.
Speaker 14: But I'm trying to figure out how do candidates that
Speaker 14: are not in the.
Speaker 4: Race drop out of the race.
Speaker 14: Because we're in California and a lot of candidates. We
Speaker 14: got sixty pages of people running, well three pages of
Speaker 14: people running for governor, and half of them have no
Speaker 14: chance to get in.
Speaker 4: How do you tell these people to to California?
Speaker 5: California, California's especially back. Anyone can run and the jungle primary.
Speaker 3: Jungle primary system tends to create chaos. I'm much more
Speaker 3: a fan of each party running their candidate and going
Speaker 3: through a primary, close, closed primary.
Speaker 5: But the practical question is real, which is we've certainly
Speaker 5: seen cases, you know, maybe as an example, you might
Speaker 5: look at the Lindsey Graham race in South Carolina. A
Speaker 5: lot of people want him unseated, but there's a lot
Speaker 5: of different contenders, and it might have a strong shot
Speaker 5: if there was one guy specifically as the champion that
Speaker 5: was back and forth about.
Speaker 3: Paul Dan's ended up dropping out and throwing his support
Speaker 3: behind Lynch, which is good because it consolidates the primary
Speaker 3: field and gives us a better chance of replacing Lindsay Graham.
Speaker 3: So I get your point, and actually, ironically enough, when
Speaker 3: you talk about the governor's race in California, it's the
Speaker 3: Democrats that are concerned about the prospects there of having
Speaker 3: a splintered field that you could result in theory in
Speaker 3: two Republicans. I think that's less likely now that Swawell
Speaker 3: has dropped out. But the larger point that you're getting
Speaker 3: at here, the question is how do you get them
Speaker 3: to thin the field so that people can throw their
Speaker 3: support behind the more. I guess the candidates were the
Speaker 3: best chance of actually getting elected and the really this
Speaker 3: comes down to party apparatus at the state level and
Speaker 3: the county level. So what that reflects is a weekend
Speaker 3: GOP in California that can't sort of exert itself and
Speaker 3: tell candidates what to do. So sometimes you have to
Speaker 3: give candidates an off ramp, you have to give them
Speaker 3: other opportunities. You have to say, hey, if you get out,
Speaker 3: we'll make sure you have a position on this board
Speaker 3: or something like This is like party politics one o one.
Speaker 2: It happens all the time. And so the.
Speaker 3: Stronger the local party, the stronger the state party, the
Speaker 3: more influence and pressure that they can wield to get
Speaker 3: that done. You know, sometimes it's a good thing, sometimes
Speaker 3: it's a bad thing. Sometimes you want the grassroots candidates
Speaker 3: to stay in because the base gets more of a
Speaker 3: vote and you don't want the party apparatus to sort
Speaker 3: of dominate which candidates get to support.
Speaker 2: Not so, but it's.
Speaker 5: Tough because naturally politics does. It attracts people with egos,
Speaker 5: people who have a bit of megalomania. So a lot
Speaker 5: of people like you, don't really want to run for
Speaker 5: governor unless you really truly believe you can win, and
Speaker 5: a lot of people believe they can win even if
Speaker 5: they can't. But he is correct, Andrew is correct. That's
Speaker 5: really where party apparatus that you can really exert pressure. Financially,
Speaker 5: you can exert pressure, so you know you're done in
Speaker 5: this party if you don't bail out. That's the strongest
Speaker 5: tool in their kit. It's a reason we have parties.
Speaker 2: So we have more questions here, what's our next one?
Speaker 4: We have, Sarah next, unmute yourself and what's your question?
Speaker 6: Hey, can you guys hear me?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 2: We can?
Speaker 6: All right, So this is a Canadian question again. So
Speaker 6: I'm a political activist, a conservative political activist up here
Speaker 6: in Canada. I was recently. Yeah. Well it's also interesting
Speaker 6: too because I was recently issued at trespass notice by
Speaker 6: the University of Gwelph, not for anything that I said
Speaker 6: or did, but because I was in the vicinity of
Speaker 6: my father who had what they deemed to be a hateful,
Speaker 6: hateful conversation with two Middle East and girls in the
Speaker 6: parking lot. And I took no part in this conversation.
Speaker 6: I said nothing, I did nothing, and now I am
Speaker 6: banned from that university for life, even though I have
Speaker 6: work that I need to do there and I'm now banned.
Speaker 6: But that's kind of my story abouts what I'm fighting
Speaker 6: with right now. Well, and it's a big deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have two questions.
Speaker 3: So you're saying that for engaging in a conversation, which
Speaker 3: you didn't but just let's say for a moment that
Speaker 3: you did debating I don't know, Islam in the West.
Speaker 3: Let's say it was a spicy conversation. They're saying that
Speaker 3: that is so hateful that you could be trespassed and
Speaker 3: banned from a university.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, just for having public on a public university.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, I mean it was well, okay, let's just
Speaker 3: say it was.
Speaker 10: It was.
Speaker 3: It was it was argumentative. Let's say, you guys, it
Speaker 3: was a fierce disagreement about the merits of Islam or
Speaker 3: its compatibility with Western culture, which would be a very
Speaker 3: spicy conversation to have face to face, I admit. But
Speaker 3: even then, it's just underscores the value of the First
Speaker 3: Amendment in the United States, that that is totally open
Speaker 3: and free for having that conversation. The fact that you
Speaker 3: can't do that without you know, falling a foul of
Speaker 3: some hate speech codes in Canada is really a really
Speaker 3: terrible indictment of the Canadian system.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Canada's unfortunately an unfree country or a post
Speaker 5: freedom country, you might say, but I saw you had
Speaker 5: a little bit more to your question if you wanted
Speaker 5: to finish.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I was curious if anything like that ever happened
Speaker 6: to Charlie, because I know he went on a lot.
Speaker 6: There's a lot more campuses in the United States, and
Speaker 6: I know he went on a lot of them. Was
Speaker 6: he ever trespassed by a university for anything.
Speaker 5: That's a really interesting question because it gets at the
Speaker 5: heart of kind of why he was effective. Because over time,
Speaker 5: Charlie and Turning point more generally, they got very good
Speaker 5: at knowing what the rules were where, Like, for example,
Speaker 5: if the university tries to block you, when is what
Speaker 5: they're doing valid and when are they just trying to BSU,
Speaker 5: you know, trying to say, oh, there's security risks, you're
Speaker 5: not allowed to speak, and say, actually, you're a public university.
Speaker 5: You have to allow us to speak if you allow
Speaker 5: those people. He did get very good at that, but
Speaker 5: we did.
Speaker 3: He was once threatened with yeah, so I remember, I
Speaker 3: don't think he was ever trespassed off a university, but
Speaker 3: he I remember at the University of New Mexico, which
Speaker 3: used to put up huge protests. They would ship people
Speaker 3: in from all over. Most of these were not students,
Speaker 3: but they would make a lot of noise and they
Speaker 3: actually kind of harassed Tommy Laren, who was visiting with
Speaker 3: us at some events. And so Charlie had made it
Speaker 3: a point to get back to the University of New
Speaker 3: Mexico and basically just to plant the flag and say
Speaker 3: you will not intimidate us. We don't care if you're
Speaker 3: going to try, and you know, put Tommy Laren in
Speaker 3: a in a locker in a room somewhere, which is
Speaker 3: I believe what happened. They ended up having to get
Speaker 3: escorted out by a law enforcement for their safety.
Speaker 2: So Charlie went back there and I remember.
Speaker 3: He stood on the roof of one of the buildings
Speaker 3: and waved at the protesters, and the police did not
Speaker 3: like that and they threatened him with arrest and they
Speaker 3: basically said he was goading the protesters, and really he's
Speaker 3: just out there waving. He just stood up on the
Speaker 3: on the roof of one of the buildings and looked
Speaker 3: at them and waved, and it was it was an
Speaker 3: important symbolic gesture to say, you will not intimidate us,
Speaker 3: you will not drive us off this campus. And yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that was the closest I remember him ever
Speaker 3: getting arrested. You know, it also happened to Riley Gaines
Speaker 3: where she got locked in a in a room and
Speaker 3: a room where protesters were pounding on the doors and
Speaker 3: she had to be sort.
Speaker 2: Of protected by police.
Speaker 3: Hours later, she ended up getting out of that situation,
Speaker 3: but it was a terrible situ Oh is this the
Speaker 3: new Mexico footage?
Speaker 2: Ah, good job days.
Speaker 5: That's how far away he was waving. And they threatened
Speaker 5: to arrest him for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a that was a near arrest.
Speaker 3: And I remember there was a bunch of hullabaloo after
Speaker 3: that event when he came back and told us what
Speaker 3: actually happened. But all he did was stand up there
Speaker 3: and wave, and they had this huge protest out there
Speaker 3: for him, and he would not be intimidated. But that's
Speaker 3: what we loved about Charlie because you know, he looked
Speaker 3: them right in the eye. And to Blake's point, because
Speaker 3: of the movement a turning point and because we were
Speaker 3: you know, especially during Trump one point zero, he did
Speaker 3: a bunch of executive orders on free speech on college campuses.
Speaker 2: It created a whole culture and a whole news.
Speaker 3: Media environment around enforcing free speech laws on college campus,
Speaker 3: and there was you know, fire was involved. ADF Alliance
Speaker 3: Defending Freedom was involved. I'm curious if ADF does any
Speaker 3: work in Canada. I would presume no, just because the
Speaker 3: laws are so distinct.
Speaker 4: It's different, it's tough.
Speaker 5: I mean Canada, as I said, they just don't have
Speaker 5: our rights. They kind of only wrote a modern constitution
Speaker 5: in the eighties and it's infused with so many of
Speaker 5: the modern assumptions of the left. So yeah, you can
Speaker 5: restrict hate speech laws, you can whole battery of things.
Speaker 5: And that's without even getting into the eccentric parts of Canada,
Speaker 5: the way large chunks of your major cities are being
Speaker 5: seeded over to the First Nations. And yeah, one thing
Speaker 5: after another, brain deep. One last thing about Charlie.
Speaker 4: One thing.
Speaker 5: He would have been fascinated by your story because I
Speaker 5: know one of his goals that he talked about was
Speaker 5: he was interested in speaking in more countries and one
Speaker 5: of the things he wanted to try was going to
Speaker 5: Germany and reciting facts about immigration that you'd get in
Speaker 5: trouble for saying there if you were a German. And
Speaker 5: he said his goal was to get arrested or cause
Speaker 5: a diplomatic incident or get himself deported start some sort
Speaker 5: of ruckus, and I think he would have been inspired
Speaker 5: by a story like yours to maybe try the same thing.
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 3: Actually, there was some concern at one point whether or
Speaker 3: not Charlie was even going to be allowed to go
Speaker 3: into Canada. There was we got it's vague the memories,
Speaker 3: it's through the cobwebs here, but there was some concern
Speaker 3: that Charlie was on some list and wouldn't be allowed
Speaker 3: in Canada at one point. Yeah, I don't know that
Speaker 3: we ever tested it or tried it or looked into
Speaker 3: it deeper, but there was some concern that he was
Speaker 3: on a list, and we were sort of warned that
Speaker 3: it could cause a problem if he ever tried to
Speaker 3: go to Canada.
Speaker 4: Thank you for writing him. A good fight in a
Speaker 4: very tough environment.
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Speaker 4: Have Andy?
Speaker 2: Andy? All right?
Speaker 3: Andy, I ummute yourself. Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
Speaker 3: Hello guys, Howdy, Hey there, So I'm kind of in.
Speaker 12: An unix situation in politically and stuff. But because the
Speaker 12: thing is that I've always been naga, but I'm also
Speaker 12: dating a foreign woman, and I'm struggling with, you know,
Speaker 12: how to balance immigration reforms, uh with you know, keeping
Speaker 12: out illegals but also not harming guys like me who
Speaker 12: are just trying to possibly bring a wife here. But
Speaker 12: of course the dating process is difficult, you know. It's
Speaker 12: like I would want my girlfriend to come visit the
Speaker 12: United States to see if she liked it before deciding
Speaker 12: to move, but really the only option is to immigrate,
Speaker 12: because if you do a tourist visa, they won't let
Speaker 12: her come because they'll presume immigrant intent, and so it's
Speaker 12: a really sticky sort of thing. And of course the
Speaker 12: only reason I'm dating outside of America is because of
Speaker 12: the uh some people call it the dating apocalypse of America,
Speaker 12: where it's like perfectly good guys are being like rejected
Speaker 12: by women left and right, and it's like our only
Speaker 12: option is to date outside of America. So I'm just
Speaker 12: trying to live the American dream. And it's just it's
Speaker 12: difficult with the immigration system. It's like there's no middle ground.
Speaker 12: It's like either you're like completely kept out and you
Speaker 12: have to prove everything. It's just like really tough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's so, what do you mind me asking what
Speaker 3: country your I guess girlfriend fiance is from Philippines.
Speaker 2: Philippines.
Speaker 3: Okay, and you guys, I'm assuming you guys have been
Speaker 3: dating a while. You went and saw her in the Philippines.
Speaker 3: Had she come to the to the States without issue.
Speaker 3: It's just a matter of she.
Speaker 12: Has never she's never come to the States. I've always
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Speaker 12: be flying down there for a third time, hopefully to
Speaker 12: propose her next time I go down, which is exciting.
Speaker 12: But yeah, it's also you know, she wants to fund
Speaker 12: her her family's home improvement project before getting married. So
Speaker 12: that's another thing she was trying to get, like a
Speaker 12: job that's good paying, but it's difficult. It would be
Speaker 12: nice if she could get an H one B in
Speaker 12: come here, but you know we're doing away with that
Speaker 12: now that's kind of frowned upon.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, you know, in the end, in the end,
Speaker 5: obviously you have our support. You want to chase the
Speaker 5: American dream. We want you to get married, we want
Speaker 5: you to have a family, but we also have to
Speaker 5: set our immigration policies for the interests of the nation.
Speaker 5: And I don't think there's any proposal to entirely No
Speaker 5: one's proposing that we get rid of the ability to
Speaker 5: marry foreigners or that you can get marriage visas for
Speaker 5: your spouse. But what we have talked about is we
Speaker 5: do I think we need to curb, for example, chain migration.
Speaker 5: I don't think marrying one foreigner should give them the
Speaker 5: automatic right to bring in every member of their extended.
Speaker 4: Family, because that's very amusable. You have to be careful with.
Speaker 5: It because you don't want people committing fraud, and people
Speaker 5: will commit a lot of fraud in order to get
Speaker 5: into the United States. So we're trying to set up
Speaker 5: a system that is good for the country. There's still
Speaker 5: ways that can work out for you. And even with
Speaker 5: your obstacle, to my understanding, is not so much that
Speaker 5: you're unable to marry her. Your obstacle is just she'll
Speaker 5: faced obstacles visiting you in the United States when she
Speaker 5: has long term immigrant in tent.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, just pulling up the numbers from Cato Institute, which
Speaker 3: did a big study of the decrease in legal immigration categories,
Speaker 3: and they said that cavisas for spouses and I sent
Speaker 3: this graphic here. Caves is for spouses and fiances were
Speaker 3: down sixty five percent in twenty twenty five. So if
Speaker 3: you compare a month by month, it just at the
Speaker 3: last December of twenty twenty five, it was down to
Speaker 3: about one point two five so one thousand, two hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty cavis as were granted that much that month,
Speaker 3: which was down from a number of almost three point
Speaker 3: five and twenty twenty four. So it is they are
Speaker 3: cracking down on this because you gotta believe there's a
Speaker 3: lot of fraud involved in this, a lot of people saying, oh,
Speaker 3: we're married, but they're not actually married. So to Blake's point,
Speaker 3: I believe that there's still a route for you here
Speaker 3: that it's just it. It's probably gonna be a more
Speaker 3: more challenging, more documentation, more proof.
Speaker 2: Are you working. I'm assuming you're working with attorneys on this.
Speaker 12: I haven't hired an attorney. Part of the thing is,
Speaker 12: you know, I'm I mean, I have a lot of
Speaker 12: things I'm paying for, Like neither of us really have
Speaker 12: way too much money, so I'm trying to navigate that too.
Speaker 12: It's like I I I am work, I do have
Speaker 12: a the dating service I I went with called Christian Filipino.
Speaker 12: They actually have a visa consultation company that's directly linked
Speaker 12: with them, but they're pretty expensive. So it's like, I
Speaker 12: definitely need that, like because you know it's gonna be tough,
Speaker 12: but it's like, at the same time, I can't afford it.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, listen, you got to work with an
Speaker 3: attorney on this. It's a complicated process. So whether you
Speaker 3: use that service or some other some other service, there's
Speaker 3: a lot of immigration attorneys. That's one of the downsides
Speaker 3: of the invasion that we've all lived through is it
Speaker 3: was a there's a lot of attorneys in the space
Speaker 3: look and for work right now.
Speaker 4: Just the big picture is the option is there.
Speaker 5: It might be more difficult, And it's similar that for
Speaker 5: other things we hear from businesses.
Speaker 4: Obviously they say, oh, yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, we want a secure border, we want to
Speaker 5: crack down, but it's tougher with labor costs in the
Speaker 5: roofing industry, in the home building industry, in the agricultural industry.
Speaker 5: And the truth is we do have to bite the
Speaker 5: bullet on that because so much of what we've done
Speaker 5: it's been short term thinking it's been taking the thing
Speaker 5: that's easier right now for the next month, for the
Speaker 5: next year, when we need to do what's best for
Speaker 5: this country fifty years from now, one hundred years from.
Speaker 2: Now, well, and that might require a short term sacrifices.
Speaker 3: I would just encourage you to not despair against the
Speaker 3: larger goals and the larger vision. And it sounds like
Speaker 3: you're basically on board with that. It is having a
Speaker 3: personal impact on you, but you have to and then
Speaker 3: put that in context of the larger goals that the
Speaker 3: Trump administration, the people that voted for the president in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four accomplished, And we do want to limit.
Speaker 2: Foreigners coming into our country.
Speaker 3: We just do because listen, we're losing American culture. We're
Speaker 3: losing a lot of our norms, traditions, we're losing a
Speaker 3: lot of things we took for granted. The country that
Speaker 3: we grew up in. We're watching it transform in ways
Speaker 3: we don't like and don't need, and that aren't in
Speaker 3: the best interests of the country. So just separate your
Speaker 3: personal frustration and challenges from the larger goals and just
Speaker 3: remember if this is authentic, if your goals are true
Speaker 3: and real, and you can get a lawyer. I think
Speaker 3: you're still going to ultimately be successful, but again, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's going to cost you something, but not as much
Speaker 3: as you'd think, not as much as you think. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of lawyers in this space that, like I said,
Speaker 3: need work right now because of all the crackdowns. So
Speaker 3: hopefully you can find a good person to represent you
Speaker 3: in your fiance and you guys can get married have
Speaker 3: some babies.
Speaker 12: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks, all right, man, good talking to you. What do
Speaker 3: we got next?
Speaker 5: We have Ellie Next, Ellie, if you're there on mute
Speaker 5: yourself and what's your question?
Speaker 6: Hi?
Speaker 8: Can you guys hear me?
Speaker 4: Yes? We can.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 10: So this is kind of similar to the last question
Speaker 10: that I asked. But obviously there's been a lot of
Speaker 10: chaos with like the daily news lately, and I feel like,
Speaker 10: just you know, the spirit of doomerism can kind of
Speaker 10: just run rampant. But since you guys are both on
Speaker 10: this show every day and pretty active on X, my
Speaker 10: question would be, how do each of you like stay
Speaker 10: grounded and still maintain like a semi positive view of
Speaker 10: the country in the world, especially when you guys are
Speaker 10: like very actively reporting on the news every day.
Speaker 4: So funny thing.
Speaker 5: I remember the first time I ever traveled alongside Charlie.
Speaker 5: This would have been in twenty twenty three, and he
Speaker 5: was about to sit back to take a nap, and
Speaker 5: I can't even remember what we were discussing, but I
Speaker 5: asked him about some sort of bad news or something
Speaker 5: like that, and Charlie just told me, Blake, how you
Speaker 5: feel is a choice.
Speaker 4: I choose not to feel bad, and so I don't.
Speaker 5: And that's actually it's a remarkable testament to his talents
Speaker 5: that I would tell people.
Speaker 4: One of the best things about Charlie. He was so
Speaker 4: high agency.
Speaker 5: And what that means is your ability to take your
Speaker 5: to create change in the world. That you want to
Speaker 5: make something happen, and so you take the individual steps
Speaker 5: to put it into action, which kind of all of
Speaker 5: us can do, but some are just better at it.
Speaker 5: And Charlie was ninety nine point ninth percentile at that.
Speaker 4: And a big part of that.
Speaker 5: Is, yeah, he would choose how he had the ability
Speaker 5: to create how he wanted to feel, and he knew
Speaker 5: being defeated, being downbeat, being negative was a hindrance to
Speaker 5: the world he wanted to create, and so he was
Speaker 5: always endlessly positive. And I think a big source of that,
Speaker 5: of course, was his faith. That he had that absolute
Speaker 5: confidence that comes from believing I am saved. I have
Speaker 5: you know, Christ died for me if I all I
Speaker 5: can do if I die or if something bad happens
Speaker 5: to me is I can meet my creator. And that
Speaker 5: that fire was in him all of the time. And
Speaker 5: that doesn't mean he never felt bad. It doesn't mean
Speaker 5: he never felt something was a bad thing that unfolded,
Speaker 5: but he could always bounce back so quickly.
Speaker 3: Well, and we try and do a good job on
Speaker 3: this show of talking about all the wins. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you just want to know why you should feel good,
Speaker 3: it's like, well, imagine Kamala Harris was president right now?
Speaker 2: Good lord.
Speaker 3: Anyways, if you want to be a part of these
Speaker 3: conversations with us, we would love to invite you and
Speaker 3: have you join at members dot Charliekirk dot com.
Speaker 2: Next up is Mick. How are you, Andrews? I'm well, Mack.
Speaker 2: How are you doing man?
Speaker 15: I'm doing great.
Speaker 2: Hope you're doing good too.
Speaker 8: Blake my question for you.
Speaker 15: Shortly after Charlie was assassinated, we heard from the Vice
Speaker 15: president and then we heard again when you were with
Speaker 15: him in Georgia that we would see an effort from
Speaker 15: the administration to crack down on some of those dark
Speaker 15: money leftist groups such as you know, George Soros's Open
Speaker 15: Society Foundation or the Ford Foundation and all their little
Speaker 15: crony groups.
Speaker 8: Where are we at with that.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 15: We had the little incident where donaldle Long got arrested,
Speaker 15: but they went into a church, so that was a pretty.
Speaker 2: Open and shut deal.
Speaker 15: And besides that, I haven't really seen anything. So if anything,
Speaker 15: and I know the Vice President said he listens to this,
Speaker 15: so if he's listening, I hope he hears this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, he's funny.
Speaker 3: Just on that last note, I actually when I got
Speaker 3: off stage with him, I was like, were you just like,
Speaker 3: you know, being nice, Like do you like And because
Speaker 3: I have a relationship with the vice president of such,
Speaker 3: he would be like, yeah, you know, I was just
Speaker 3: trying to build you up or whatever. He's like, no,
Speaker 3: I actually listened to it. I actually listened to your
Speaker 3: show and that was a great honor. And he says,
Speaker 3: a bunch of people in the administration do the same.
Speaker 3: So yes, I have spoken with members of the administration.
Speaker 3: I'm sure Erica has as well. But I'm reminded of
Speaker 3: that final text message that Charlie sent to Stephen Miller.
Speaker 3: He said, we have to dismantle these left wing groups
Speaker 3: and the funding mechanisms behind them. And I know that
Speaker 3: Stephen Miller takes that very very personally, and that the
Speaker 3: fact that Jade Vance brought it up without me urging
Speaker 3: or asking is a really good indication that it remains
Speaker 3: top of mind. And I will tell you that the
Speaker 3: Treasury Department, which I remember during my conversation with JD
Speaker 3: I brought up Scott Bessen, has been working on this.
Speaker 3: He has a whole team that's devoted to this, and
Speaker 3: they I mean, I've seen the binders. There's like stacks
Speaker 3: of binders that they're they're investigating and looking through to
Speaker 3: root out some of these these thugs, these militants. They
Speaker 3: call themselves activists, No, these are these are domestic terrorists
Speaker 3: that are want to intimidate and potentially hurt, injure and
Speaker 3: kill conservatives. And so we saw this recently with what
Speaker 3: happened to Savanna Hernandez and Minneapolis, and then honestly that
Speaker 3: we talked about some of the violent threats that Erica
Speaker 3: Kirk was getting and the lead up to that University
Speaker 3: of Georgia event, well, a lot of that's sparked right
Speaker 3: after Savannah Savannah Hernandez. It like emboldened people to start, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, making threats against Erica in the organization. So
Speaker 3: I am one hundred percent on board of what you're saying,
Speaker 3: and I will tell you that they are working on it.
Speaker 5: Well, I want flag specific examples. So late last year,
Speaker 5: so you might recall, there was an attack on an
Speaker 5: ice facility in Dallas and that was organized and perpetrated
Speaker 5: by Antifa cells. And so actually late last year, for
Speaker 5: the first time, we got people who pleaded guilty in
Speaker 5: court to being members of an Antifa terror cell. And
Speaker 5: then just last month in March, we had eight more
Speaker 5: people convicted by a jury in Texas, again for terrorism
Speaker 5: related defenses as part of an Antifa group. And it's
Speaker 5: the first time that's ever happened. We've gotten individuals before,
Speaker 5: but we've never had it just oh, your Antifa group
Speaker 5: is a terror group. You committed offenses. So you'll sometimes
Speaker 5: hear people say they're doing nothing, nothing is happening, when
Speaker 5: the answer is sometimes it happens, and people just they
Speaker 5: don't want to believe it, they don't want to talk
Speaker 5: about it. It's easier to complain, but there are things
Speaker 5: like that happening. Unwinding a whole financial network is tougher,
Speaker 5: It takes longer to build that case. Big donor networks,
Speaker 5: of course can pay for better or lawyers, they can
Speaker 5: pay for better or defense generally, but we are getting
Speaker 5: the reps out there of going after the activists who
Speaker 5: commit crimes, bringing them to court, getting convictions.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and kind of going back to the question from before,
Speaker 3: this is one of the reasons that I am positive
Speaker 3: I don't blackpill, because you give me four years of
Speaker 3: President Trump administration and the country will be an undoubtedly
Speaker 3: better place than four years of Kamala Harris. It's better
Speaker 3: for my kids, it's better for the country in every
Speaker 3: conceivable way. Yeah, you might have issues with what's happening
Speaker 3: in Iran, or you might have issues with the foreign policy,
Speaker 3: you're not enough focus on domestics.
Speaker 2: Part of our job is to.
Speaker 3: You know, remind the administration on this show and the
Speaker 3: other shows like it, of what the base wants, what
Speaker 3: the activists want, what the core constituency of this president
Speaker 3: really want and so we talk about that and we
Speaker 3: but we do celebrate the wins, and Blake's right, those
Speaker 3: are some great wins. And that's just the tip of
Speaker 3: the iceberg in a nation of three hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: million people, where it's gonna take time. Last question here
Speaker 3: is from Elizabeth. Elizabeth, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show
Speaker 3: on Mute yourself and welcome Hi.
Speaker 16: Blake, Hi, Andree, thank you for taking my call. And
Speaker 16: also please just send Erica like there are a lot
Speaker 16: of people who love her and pray for her and
Speaker 16: see how hard she is working recently widowed with two
Speaker 16: toddlers in tow to keep her husband's legacy going. Thank
Speaker 16: you so much, value it and appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Like, please let her know we do what do And
Speaker 5: I want to say very briefly, when we get emails,
Speaker 5: for example, in our inbox freedom at Charlie Kirk and
Speaker 5: if their messages to Erica of that nature, I screencap
Speaker 5: those and I send them on to her immediately. She
Speaker 5: very much appreciates those. She does often reply to them
Speaker 5: herself as well. And so I just wanted to say that, but.
Speaker 16: She got her Monday meditations were also great on the podcast.
Speaker 16: They're still out there to.
Speaker 2: Listen to, of course.
Speaker 16: So my actual question, I apologize for digressing Charlie's origin
Speaker 16: story sort of been getting into politics. What's been interesting
Speaker 16: How he w a door knocker for this guy called
Speaker 16: Mark Kirk. Nobody remembers him for a reason. He was
Speaker 16: a forgetable rhino. And I guess my point is if
Speaker 16: that was Charlie start and he could still build turning
Speaker 16: Point USA after that, like, don't be an accelerationist, like
Speaker 16: keep going, like keep building, because imagine if we didn't
Speaker 16: have twenty million people in here illegally on the four
Speaker 16: years under Biden. You can't give these people an inch
Speaker 16: because it takes twelve years to do the damage they
Speaker 16: can do in.
Speaker 4: Two years, exactly exactly. And you know, even you'll dunk on,
Speaker 4: we can dump a bit on Mark Kirk.
Speaker 5: He was RHINOI but he also was a Republican senator
Speaker 5: for the state of Illinois. I don't think we're getting
Speaker 5: one of those anytime soon again. And even if they're
Speaker 5: a rhino, if they're in a blue state, you take
Speaker 5: what you can get. Those are people who will vote
Speaker 5: with you on judges. Most of the time.
Speaker 2: Susan koss is a great example.
Speaker 5: I think Kirk helped undermine Obama had a filibuster proof
Speaker 5: majority for a while. We blew that apart, and that
Speaker 5: really limited the damage Obama could do in his second term.
Speaker 5: So as bad as he was in plenty of ways,
Speaker 5: we would never tolerate a guy like that if he
Speaker 5: was it from Oklahoma or from North Dakota. But if
Speaker 5: he was representing Illinois, that's pretty good well.
Speaker 3: And Charlie always graded Susan Collins on a curt Yes,
Speaker 3: he because he said, you know, she'll always be there
Speaker 3: when we need we'll do some boat trading. She'll she'll,
Speaker 3: you know, make her you know, she'll she'll throw some
Speaker 3: some bones to the the blue in the parts of
Speaker 3: the state. But she's she's better than a.
Speaker 5: D She held the line she made. We didn't confirm
Speaker 5: Merrick Garland. So we have Trump's picks on the Supreme
Speaker 5: Court instead of Obama's picks on the Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: You take those, But I love.
Speaker 5: Your bigger picture point that Charlie got his start campaigning
Speaker 5: for another Kirk who was pretty moderate in a million ways,
Speaker 5: and he built a juggernaut that changed America. Always endlessly positive,
Speaker 5: great model for all of us to follow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Amen.
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