1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey there head their creek war here. Thanks 2 00:00:06,080 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: for listening to the Comparati podcast. Let's talk about the 3 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: word forgiving, the word we use constantly around our clothes, 4 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: isn't it We want a forgiving waistband, forgiving silhouettes, forgiving fabrics. 5 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: But forgiveness is a theological word, isn't it. It presupposes 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: an offense, that there's a judge and then there's an 7 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: act of mercy. So what exactly have our bodies done wrong? 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: And why do they need a certain kind of pants 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: to find forgiveness? That's where we're going today. I'm glad 10 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: to hear for it. 11 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 2: We are in a series. 12 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: On essentially religious language that we use without even thinking 13 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 1: about it in regards to our bodies and food. And 14 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: we looked at diet plans and how they kind of 15 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: mimics salvation stories and even you know, what the church 16 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 1: is supposed to do. We looked at what the Bible 17 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: really says about food versus the words we use around food, 18 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: like I'm guilty for eating that, and don't tempt me 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: to eat that, those sorts of things. But today we're 20 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: gonna look at clothes. I mean, if you're anything like me. 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: You've got a closet full of clothes. 22 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:27,320 Speaker 1: And some of them fetch you, and some of them don't, 23 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: and it's kind of hard to think about getting rid 24 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: of the ones that don't. And we do some funny 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: things in our heads regarding clothing size and keeping clothes 26 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: as kind of a maybe someday I'll be worthy of 27 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: that again sort of mind game. But today we're gonna 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 1: talk about that for goodness aspect. 29 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 2: I'm glad you're here for it. Let's go. 30 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: Forgiveness. We all need for given us, right, But here's 31 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: some examples from fashion writing. Okay, this is a forgiving 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: a line skirt, or this fabric is incredibly forgiving, which 33 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm guessing means it's like thick, so like rolls and 34 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: lumps and stuff don't show through. I don't know, That's all. 35 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: I can figure out. 36 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 1: Or how about this said, the rap dress is universally 37 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: flattering and endlessly forgiving. Wow, what a sweet dress to 38 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: have you just endlessly forgive you for all your flaws 39 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,639 Speaker 1: and your sins. Okay, when did we start needing our 40 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: clothes to forgive us? And what's the transgression? What's the offense? 41 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: Note that the word is used without irony in virtually 42 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: all fashion contexts. It has become so natural, like no 43 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: one pauses over that word. But that's exactly what makes 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: it worth pausing about. You see, the language of forgiving 45 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: clothes is the endpoint of a long theological journey, and 46 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: it reveals that we have come to experience our bodies 47 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: as inherently offensive, requiring management, concealing, and ultimately forgiveness. And 48 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: when human bodies require forgiveness, something has gone wrong with 49 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: our anthropology. Have we forgotten that God called our bodies 50 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: good and that we're made in His image? That's where 51 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: we're going today. Let's start with this question, what's a 52 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: body supposed to be? 53 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 2: Right? 54 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: Because implicit in the language of fashion is you need forgiveness, 55 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: So there's something wrong right. Forgiving implies that there's a 56 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: standard from what you have deviated. So the first question 57 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: is what is the standard body that clothing is designed 58 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: for and why does deviation from it require forgiveness rather 59 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: than just say, different clothes. The fashion industry's standard body 60 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: is what you know. It's narrow, historically, very specific. It's 61 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: achieved by a very small percentage of the population, some 62 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: say less than one person, and yet it functions as 63 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: the norm. The very thin heroin chic from the nineties 64 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: back to ozembic chik from the twenty twenty six is 65 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: the template from which all other bodies are variations. Is 66 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 1: shown in front of us everywhere. But this is a 67 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 1: theological move. It's the ideal has become the real, and 68 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: the actual has become the fallen. Flattering is the companion 69 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: word to forgiving, right, like it's flattering on you. But 70 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: think about that word too, it's kind of equally strange. 71 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: To flatter something is to make it appear better than 72 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: it is. Right, So if someone's flattering you, you know 73 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: they're kind of schmoosing you. They're saying nice things, maybe 74 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: too nice, Like if you ever watch to Leave It 75 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: to Beaver back in the day, it's Eddie Haskell, like 76 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: what a lovely dress you have on, missus Cleaver, Like 77 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: it's going above and beyond to say things about you 78 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: that aren't they're a little overstated. So when we say 79 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: a dresses flattering, we mean that maybe it makes the 80 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: body appear closer to that standard from which we're all 81 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: afraid will deviate. But again, flattering implies that the actual 82 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 1: body without the disguise of the flattering dress is insufficient. 83 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 1: I quoted Robert Capone, an episcopal priest who wrote a 84 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: book back in the nineties called Health, Money, and Love 85 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: and Why we Don't Enjoy Them. I quoted him a 86 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: lot in our first episode in the series. But he 87 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: pushes back against any anthropology that treats the body as 88 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: a problem, and I think his points are good. I mean, 89 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: his theology is incarnational. The body is the sight of meaning. 90 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: It's not an obstacle to meaning. And he talks about 91 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 1: how food and pleasure that we're supposed to get from 92 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: food weight, these are not enemies to be managed, but 93 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 1: these are gifts to be received. The forgiving clothes frame 94 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: is kind of anti incarnational, right, it says to thing different. 95 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: It treats the actual body as an embarrassment that grace 96 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: in the form of maybe elastic or when draping must cover. 97 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: And then we gotta draw a line to shame. Oh 98 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: body shame. I write about this in my forty day 99 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: Body Image workbook Goodness. I mean, most of us rarely 100 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: stop and think about the shame we feel around our bodies. 101 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: Like we know we feel it, we know we have 102 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: those constant voices in our heads telling us we should 103 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: look better, do better. You know, we feel the pressure 104 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,559 Speaker 1: of the shame, We feel the embarrassment of the shame, 105 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: but we don't often stop and say, oh wait, this 106 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: is shame. We forget. You know. Romans A one that 107 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: there's no condemnation for those who love Christ Jesus, right, 108 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: we listen to the condemnation. We accept the shame and 109 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: think about it like this. I mean, a body that 110 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: requires constant forgiveness is a body that we're experiencing as shameful. 111 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: And shame theologically is that experience of ourselves is unacceptable 112 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: to the gaze of another. What gaze are we imagining 113 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: when we dress ourselves? Who do we think is watching? 114 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:19,119 Speaker 1: Who do we believe is judging the way our bodies look? Now? 115 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: Note in Genesis right, the consequences of the fall. In 116 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: Genesis three, writers Adam and Eve notice that they are 117 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: naked and they cover themselves, right, and so the experience 118 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: of the body as exposed and insufficient requiring covering is 119 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: the oldest shame story, right, So forgiving clothes are in 120 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: this reading a thoroughly post fall kind of garments. If 121 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: naked means shamed, then we must cover our naked with 122 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: things that will make us feel less shameful. But while 123 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: we know scripture from scripture that Jesus's death and resurrection 124 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: on the cross covers all of our shame, like, we 125 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 1: are not trying to do that through clothes anymore. Like 126 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: the work has been done, the fashion industry hasn't let 127 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: it go, And there's a large theology and grammar of 128 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 1: body shame all through fashion. And we'll explore that more 129 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: right after this quick break, So I'll never forget. I was, like, 130 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, twenty six, twenty seven years old, single 131 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: and it was about to be my friend's wedding, and 132 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: so I'm with her at the bridle shop. I'm trying 133 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: on bridesmaids dresses. I think I was the only local ones. 134 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: So I had the pleasure of trying on the bridesmaids 135 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: dresses and being sized up as to whether or not 136 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: those dresses would look good on the other bridesmaids as well. 137 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: And I'll never forget the bride looking at me and saying, oh, 138 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 1: I like that one. 139 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: It covers your problem areas well. 140 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: I wanted to run screaming out of that dressing room 141 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,079 Speaker 1: problem areas. 142 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: The body has areas that are. 143 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 1: Problems, and problems requires solutions, and fashion provide solutions. And 144 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: there is a therapeutic model with a religious structure. You 145 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 1: have a diagnosis problem area, it was my thighs. You 146 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: have a prescription that dress which I think had a 147 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 1: wide skirt, and then management just continue to dress in 148 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: such a way that your problem areas are hidden, and 149 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: then you will be free from shame and I don't know, 150 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: maybe guilt too. We also use words like hiding and minimizing, right, 151 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: I think I bought a stomach minimizing swimsuit last summer. 152 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 2: We speak of clothes that will. 153 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: Hide body parts, minimize body parts, camouflage body parts. The 154 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: body is something to be hidden, minimized, made less present 155 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: unless it matches a certain standard, of course, but contrast 156 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: this with showing off, which is reserved only for the 157 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: parts of the body that conform to that standard. The 158 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: ideal body is to be displayed, while the deviant body 159 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: is to be hidden. Then there's this whole language around 160 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: work with your body versus work against your body. And 161 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: this phrase is interesting because it implies that the body 162 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: is an adversary. Your body is the enemy, and you 163 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: must negotiate with it, and fashion rules will tell you 164 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: how to achieve a truce with your own flesh, work 165 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: with your body to have lines that elongate and make 166 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: you look how more like that standard. And then there's 167 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: this concept of being universally flattering. Examine the logic here. 168 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: A rap dress is universally flattering because its design makes 169 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: anybody look more like that standard. The standard is still 170 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: the standard. The dress is just more effective at creating 171 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:08,679 Speaker 1: an illusion. This isn't about body acceptance. It's just sophisticated 172 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: body management. So remember I quoted David Zahl in our 173 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: first episode in the series. He wrote several great books. 174 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: One of them is called Seculosity. But Zaul writes about 175 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 1: the way performance anxiety migrates into appearance. When we can't 176 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: achieve righteousness through behavior, we try to achieve it through 177 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: the way we present ourselves. We try to look the 178 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: part friend. This is us managing our image, Zaul says. 179 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: The fitting room becomes the confessional, the mirror becomes the 180 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: judging gaze. The ideal outfit promises that today you will pass, 181 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: you will be acceptable, and it's a promise of fashion, 182 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: just like all law based systems. Can't ultimately keep because 183 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: there's always another season, there's always another standard, there's always 184 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: another body part to address or fix or to make 185 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: conform to the standard. And friend, I mean, let me 186 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: just confess to you, like I struggle here too. I 187 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: had to be up on stage with my husband last 188 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: Sunday at church and I had a really difficult time 189 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: deciding what to wear. And I knew the right things 190 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: to say to myself. I knew ultimately it was my 191 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: words that were going to matter more than what I 192 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: look like would matter. But man, the judgment in our 193 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: heads comes and the lies come. They will listen to 194 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: you unless you look a certain way. You know, they're 195 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: going to judge you for the way you look. They're 196 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: not going to like you. They're not going to accept you. 197 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: I mean even the cruel thoughts, like women are going 198 00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: to think that you're not good enough for your husband 199 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: and they're gonna try to cut in. I mean, the 200 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: spirals can't go anywhere and everywhere. Friend. But ultimately, the 201 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: underlying presupposition that I was accepting as I have my 202 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: little stress out over what I was gonna wear, is 203 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 1: that my body is not a representation of me or 204 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: good enough for me or good enough period because it 205 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: doesn't match the very narrow standard set by one percent 206 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: of women that the fashion industry follows. And I just 207 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: kind of bought right into that, like I'm not good enough. 208 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: I should not be anywhere close to his stage unless 209 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: or until I am good enough, right, And I don't know, 210 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: you've probably had those thoughts too, But I want us 211 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: to notice here that looking the part isn't God's standard. 212 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: That's the world's standard, or that's our own standard, right, 213 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: But that's not something He's a of us. And is 214 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:07,560 Speaker 1: this language that we're using around our clothing keeping us 215 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: stuck believing the lie that our bodies really aren't good enough? 216 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 1: Our bodies really weren't made in the image of God, 217 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: our bodies really weren't called good by God. Our bodies 218 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: really weren't given to us intentionally by God. Or maybe 219 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: I really messed up my body because I did this 220 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: thing with food or I did that thing with food, 221 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: or I did this thing with exercise, or I have 222 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: never exercised. And I was supposed to look a certain 223 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: way and be a certain way, and I let perimenopause 224 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: get me, or I let pregnancy get me and I've 225 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 1: failed with my body and I'm not doing well enough, 226 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: and I should be. 227 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 2: I should be. I should be. I should be. I 228 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: should be, I should be, I should be. 229 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: Like, friend, I've felt it too, But I hope what 230 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: you'll take from today is that ninety nine percent of 231 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: us have bought in and are trying to make not 232 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: just standard that only applies to one percent. Okay, Now 233 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: we're in a zobic world right now, so maybe there's 234 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: more than one percent that are getting it done. And 235 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with that, right I mean, it's 236 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: yet to be proven whether or not they will stay 237 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: that size or whether their bodies will rebel and ultimately 238 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: want to be a bigger size again. We'll see, we'll see. 239 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: But friend, we don't have to live under that shame 240 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: and condemnation anymore. We can do what God asks us 241 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 1: to do in terms of making why decisions reasonably, stewarding 242 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: our body reasonably without the obsession that would be required 243 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: to meet culture standard. So let's go back to this 244 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: concept of forgiving, and the question is who is doing 245 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: the forgiving. There's an invisible judge here, and there's also 246 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: a promise of acceptance in Chianity. Right forgiveness is very 247 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: personal right. It comes from God right, and it requires 248 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: a subject right, someone who is forgiving us. It is 249 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: God forgiving us of the many ways that we have 250 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: sinned against him. 251 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: But who forgives you? 252 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: When you wear a waistepand that's so tight it leaves 253 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 1: a mark around stomach and the answer is unstated, but 254 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: it's implied. Right. Who forgives me is other people's eyes, 255 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: like it's the social gaze, it's the judgment of others 256 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: that I am free from and forgiven from. Or it's 257 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:49,880 Speaker 1: the internalized version of the judgment of myself. I am 258 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: forgiven by me. Forgiving clothes make us acceptable to that gaze. 259 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: They allow us to pass without penalty. But friend, in 260 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: this there's a profound loneliness. H We don't need forgiveness 261 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: from a gaze that is never actually looking at us 262 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: that closely, for an offense that we didn't actually commit 263 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: through a mechanism clothing that can never actually forgive us 264 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: of anything at all. Back to Robert Capone, he talks 265 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: about the idea of grace and unconditional reception. You are 266 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: received just as you are, not as you manage to 267 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: appear right. We know from Samuel God looks at the heart, 268 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: not of the outside. The forgiving, closed framework inverts this completely. 269 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: You must manage your appearance to be accepted. And that acceptance, 270 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: oh man, it's going to keep us so insecure because 271 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: that acceptance is always conditional, it's always provisional, it's all 272 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 1: always depends on wearing the right thing. That's a lot 273 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: of pressure when you go in and out of the house. 274 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: Right am I going to be wearing something that is 275 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: going to allow me to be accepted? Or am I 276 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 1: going to wear something that risks rejection? And there's a 277 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: psychological cost to this. The research on appearance based self 278 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: evaluation shows that people who heavily base their self worth 279 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: on their appearance have higher rates of depression, anxiety, and 280 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: disordered eating. This is the fruit of a law based anthropology. 281 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: It produces guilt and never righteousness. And then there's the absurdity, 282 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: which we've mentioned a couple times. But fabric can't actually 283 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: forgive you an elastic waste band is not making a 284 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:55,879 Speaker 1: moral judgment and then withdrawing from it. The entire framework 285 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: is a category error. I've attributed to cloth. The function 286 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: of grace and in doing so, we have revealed perhaps 287 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: how desperately hungry we are for real grace. I wrote 288 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 1: a book called The Comparison Free Life, was originally titled 289 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: The Burden of Better, but it's really a book about 290 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: grace because I thought I knew what grace was like. 291 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: You know, I'd sang amazing grace, and you know, I 292 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: knew I could define it for you, but I hadn't 293 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: really experienced it. And I think my image issues and 294 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: managing my body and managing my appearance and focusing on 295 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: those things were outward examples of how much I struggled 296 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: with grace. I did not deserve grace until I got 297 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: my food and my body just right. And that is 298 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: actually just antithetical to everything that grace is because grace 299 00:20:55,440 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: is undeserved and it's not based on me and what 300 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: I do. It's based only on Jesus and what he did. 301 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: I respond and obedience to him because He's offered that grace, 302 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: but I'm not earning it myself. So if you've struggled 303 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: with grace too, and really feeling God's grace as it 304 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: applies to the way you look and your body and 305 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: the story of your body, everything your body's been through. Like, 306 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: go grab my book The Comparison Free Life, and it 307 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,680 Speaker 1: may encourage you as well. Okay, as we close here, 308 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 1: what does it look like to have a different vocabulary? 309 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: What would non religious fashion language actually sound like? I 310 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: think it would be free of shame? Right. We would 311 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:48,120 Speaker 1: be able to prioritize how our clothes feel, rather than 312 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: uber focusing on how they appear to others. We would 313 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: be able to put on a pair of genes that 314 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: fit us and think, yay, I'm so glad they fit. 315 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: I think they'll be comfortable, they're not cutting off my circulation. 316 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: And we would be free from worrying about what the 317 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: number is inside that size tag, and we would be 318 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: out of our heads obsessing over I can't believe it's 319 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: that number. I can't believe it's that number. I mean, frience, 320 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: You know that there's no universal sizing. What's a size 321 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: ten at one store, is a size two in one store, 322 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: and it's probably a size twenty two on Amazon. You've 323 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,880 Speaker 1: been there, you know what I'm talking about. Right, there's 324 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: no universal sizing, and yet, and yet the shame and 325 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: condemnation around our clothes, around fabric that can't forgive us 326 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 1: it's real. What would it look like to just think 327 00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:55,479 Speaker 1: about clothes as a utility to serve our body, versus 328 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: thinking about how to change our body to serve clothes 329 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: and maybe be even ultimately to serve a fashion industry 330 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: with a super narrow standard. Right. I think that's where 331 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: we've gotten it confused. Back to David Zol, his book 332 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: Seculosity ends with this concept of one way love, and 333 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: that takes us right back to grace. It's grace that 334 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 1: comes toward you without conditions. And the question for fashion 335 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: and body image is where does that kind of grace, 336 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 1: that kind of warm welcome, that kind of reception, Where 337 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: does it come from? Friend, You're not gonna get that 338 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: from your mirror, even if you look dang good in it. 339 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: Your mirror is not going to reply, oh, I love 340 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: you so much more, thank you, thank you for doing that, 341 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: thank you for looking so good. You are my favorite. 342 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,879 Speaker 1: I love you. Your mirror is not going to say that. 343 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: In fact, I would suggest the longer you stare in 344 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: your mirror, the more your mirror is going to find 345 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: something to pour. It could be like, yeah, you look 346 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: pretty good except for that spot on your face, or 347 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: except for the way your arms look in that, I mean, 348 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: the mirror will find something wrong if you look in 349 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: it long enough, And the same with the case of others. Right, 350 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,640 Speaker 1: You're never gonna find the warmth, the grace that one 351 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 1: way love from having others look at you and approve. 352 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be enough, and they're fickle. They might 353 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 1: approve one day and disapprove the next day, even if 354 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: you're wearing something even better. It's so unstable and uncertain, 355 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 1: and it makes us so insecure. We cannot look to 356 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: others for approval and still be serving Jesus. Right. Scripture 357 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: tells us that explicitly Galatians one ten, for am I 358 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: now seeking the approval of Man or of God? Or 359 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: am I trying to please Man? If I were still 360 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 1: trying to please Man, I would not be a servant 361 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: of Christ. Yikes, friend, so hear me. This doesn't mean 362 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: fashion is bad. Wanting to look nice is a pathological 363 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: problem or a sin problem. That's something I'm saying. But 364 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 1: what I mean is that the words we use, the 365 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: grammar we use, is affecting us more than we know. 366 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: And so what would it look like to swap where 367 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: it's like forgiving for words like comfortable or roomy or 368 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: you know what, this feels good and fits well on 369 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: my body without all the shameful language, And then what 370 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: would it look like to accept God's grace and actually 371 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,360 Speaker 1: believe that God's opinion of me matters the most, Actually 372 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 1: believe that God is looking at my heart and not 373 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: my gene size, Actually believe that I am not standing 374 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,159 Speaker 1: in front of God every day waiting for him to 375 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: tell me whether or not I look good enough or 376 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: look acceptable, That that's not how he's looking at me, 377 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: that's not how he's judging me. I am free to 378 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 1: live for him and not to try to get everyone 379 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: else's approval of my outfit of the day. And that's 380 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: a hard, hard thing to consider, but there's so much 381 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: freedom there. So we spent the last three episodes talking 382 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: about the ways our language reveals that there's deeper things 383 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: going on when it comes to our food and our 384 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: bodies and the way we eat and the plans we follow. 385 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: And we started by talking about words like guilty, pleasure, 386 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: and being bad in the first episode, and then we 387 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: moved to talking about like the institutions and how they 388 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 1: structure salvation for us, like Optavio or Gwen Shamblin's Way Down. 389 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: And then today we talked about really the most intimate, 390 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: perhaps of the way we think and speak about ourselves, 391 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: like what happens with the mirror in the fitting room 392 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: and what are we actually believing about our bodies? And 393 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: here's the through line. We have an inherent need for righteousness. 394 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: We need to be right, acceptable, good enough. But in 395 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: our secular age we relocated those needs into getting food right, 396 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: or getting the right size, acceptable body, or getting an 397 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: appearance that's good enough. They all promise the same thing, 398 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: and they all fail to deliver. But what we all 399 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: really long for, and I think why we all try 400 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: to get it right as we long for rest, We 401 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: really don't want to worry about our food, or our bodies, 402 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: or appearance or clothes anymore. Right, We just want to 403 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 1: get to that place where we don't have to think 404 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: about it anymore. And most of us have believed the 405 00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:58,879 Speaker 1: biggest live of die culture is that once you do 406 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: get to that thin point, then you're free. Then you 407 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,439 Speaker 1: don't have to think about it anymore. You've arrived. That's heaven, 408 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: because you've earned your rest. Oh, friend, I've said, there's 409 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: one hundred times on the show. Anyone who has a 410 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 1: before and after picture knows that you don't actually achieve rest. Then. 411 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: In fact, the studies show that most women who lose 412 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: a significant amount of weight actually become more obsessed with 413 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 1: body image. They have a bigger problem around body image 414 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: after the weight loss. That's one of the big concerns 415 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: around the GLP one's ozembic craze right now is that 416 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: there's higher rates of suicide associated and whether or not 417 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: it's actually something the GLP one is doing to your system, 418 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,719 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but a interesting. 419 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 2: Theory is that you've waited your whole life. 420 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: To have a smaller body and believe that having a 421 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: smaller body will give you that rest, that freedom to 422 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: just not think about your body and food and clothes anymore. 423 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: And you think you've arrived, and you haven't. And for some, 424 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: especially those without the hope of Jesus, it's so discouraging, 425 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: it's such a letdown. It's such a tragic revelation when 426 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: you find that everything you hoped and dreamed it would 427 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: be was not connected to having a thinner body. You 428 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: actually have thoughts of ending at all because you don't 429 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: have any hope anymore. That's what your hope was in 430 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,240 Speaker 1: And friend, that's why I just don't want us to 431 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: lose sight of what our true hope is, where our 432 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: real salvation is. It's not in optovia working. It's not 433 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: in clean eating making us pure. It's not in finding 434 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: the right outfits who were acceptable for everyone else's gaze. Friend, 435 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: A real hope is in Christ alone, period end of sentence. 436 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: Through his grace, we can wrestle through these issues we 437 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: have with our bodies, these issues we have with food, 438 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: these issues we have with clothing. We can wrestle through 439 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: them without shame and condemnation, without fear of not being 440 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: accepted or loved, because we know we are already accepted 441 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: and loved in Him. And what other people think, it 442 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: really doesn't have to matter that much, Oh friend, There's 443 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: so much hope, But it's in the Cross of Jesus 444 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: Christ and real forgiveness, real sanctification, real reconciliation, real restoration 445 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: from our sinful fallen state. Don't be confused. Hey, thanks 446 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: for listening today. I hope you've enjoyed the series. If 447 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 1: you have, drop us a review on where we get 448 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: your podcast. Really, those reviews help other people find the show. 449 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: The amount of reviews I have is really crazy small 450 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: compared to how many listeners there are, And so maybe 451 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: if you're one of those people who hasn't left a 452 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: review yet, would you just consider doing that? Greatly appreciate 453 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: your consideration there. Coming up next time with an interesting 454 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,640 Speaker 1: episode on how the Aura Ring versus the Apple Watch 455 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: gives us a picture of how God treats us around 456 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: food and body versus how we treat ourselves. I hope 457 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: you'll tune in for that one. And if this series 458 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: has been of interest to you, maybe it'd be interest 459 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: of interest to a friend, so consider sharing it. Hey, 460 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: thanks for listening. I hope something Todays helps you stop 461 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: comparing and start living. 462 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 2: Boy, Bye bye