1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Islamic extremist open fire on Jews celebrating Hanakah on a 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: very famous beach in Australia. My guest today heard the 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,399 Speaker 1: gunshots from her balcony with her child less than a 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: kilometer away. She says this attack was not a surprise 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: and that government failures made it inevitable. This is Aaron Mullan. 6 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: It's been hard. It's been hard for the entire community. 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 2: I think it was already hard for the Jewish community 8 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 2: here in Australia, of which I'm not a part of. 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 2: I just am someone with a bit of common sense 10 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: and sensible enough to realize they deserve the same protection 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: that everyone in our society, and since October seven, this 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: country has really failed them in so many different ways. 13 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: But it's disconcerting. I think for a lot of people 14 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: there was a build up, so they weren't surprised, which 15 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: is an awful thing to say, particularly given we live 16 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: in a country with such tight gun laws. We haven't 17 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 2: had a mass shooting in decades. Because we had an 18 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 2: awful incident in Port Arthur and Tasmania and the Prime 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 2: Minister at the time, John Howard, came down really strongly 20 00:00:59,840 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 2: on so we just don't see this kind of thing here. So, 21 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: first of all, the mass shooting is it's something that's 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: not even on the radar for most Australians. Secondly, it 23 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: was targeted at a religious group, a bunch of Jews 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: celebrating you know, the festival of Light Harnka. And Thirdly, 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 2: it was Islamic extremists who you know, in the name 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: of Isis Islamic State are shooting people like animals on 27 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: our most famous beach in Australia. And you know, there's 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: a lot of anger. I think, you know, grief and 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: shock turns into anger. And again that word shock is 30 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: just is a constant, but not surprise. And I think 31 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 2: that's the really key part here. There are those of 32 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 2: us who have begged, begged the government to take this 33 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 2: threat seriously, who have watched it unfold, who have been 34 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: a part of the avalanche of domestic threats and harassment, 35 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: and you know, synagogue bombings, Joe the opera house, chanting 36 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: gas the Jews. Where are the Jews marching over the 37 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge, flying the Isis flag, the talib flag, the 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: Hesbula flag, harassing kids on their way to Jewish schools. 39 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: It's been this build up and we haven't had one 40 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 2: person in leadership do anything tangible that has said this 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: is not what goes on in our country, not on 42 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: my watch. And now we find ourselves here and we've 43 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: got innocent lives that have been taken fifteen ten year 44 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: old girl shot dead. Having to listen to her parents 45 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: talk about their pain has just been harrowing. And you know, 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: then I watch our Prime minister who's decided that gun 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: laws is the issue, like, come on, yes, this bloke 48 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: should not have been given a gun. His son was 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: investigated for isis he wasn't a resident, He should not 50 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: have been given a gun. He wasn't a citizen. But sorry, 51 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: gun laws ain't the issue we face here. And if 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: you're trying to frame this as now the new battleground 53 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: gun laws, we're going to lose thousands more people. 54 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: It's Aaron Mullan joining us. It's a Thursday morning in Australia. 55 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: I appreciate you getting up for us as it's Wednesday 56 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: afternoon here in the States. I want to go back 57 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 1: to a few things that you just covering. You just 58 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: covered an awful and I know that you're a little 59 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: bit under the weather, but you sound and you look great, 60 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,120 Speaker 1: but you've been doing so much well, I doubt that 61 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: you've got much sleep. And I get that. Let's go 62 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: back to what I saw you say as soon as 63 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: it happened, that you literally heard the gunshots. I mean, 64 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: this isn't you saying, Oh, it happened down the road. 65 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: You walked out and you've got a young daughter and 66 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: you guys heard something going on. Did you think it 67 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: was fireworks? I mean, because again, growing up in Australia, 68 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: you probably don't get the guns and the guns sounds 69 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: like we get here in the States oftentimes. What did 70 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: you think it was? 71 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 2: It's a really good point. So my daughter and I 72 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: were on the balcony. We live less than a kilometer 73 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: away from the site, and we started to hear the bangs. 74 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: And initially you do think fireworks, but there was something 75 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: different about this noise. And I guess I don't hear 76 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 2: guns in real life a lot, if ever. But my 77 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: daughter's father is a policeman. I've been in this field 78 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: for a fair while now I recognize gun sounds for 79 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: covering this kind of thing a lot. I grabbed her 80 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: and we went inside. I turned on the TV and 81 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 2: within minutes started to see these images come through in 82 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: particularly on social media. I actually rang her dad straight 83 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: away and my first words to him was, is it 84 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: aimed at Jews? We live in a very Jewish area. 85 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: That it's my biggest fear, just because I've been a 86 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 2: very public face in this battle, you know, against the 87 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 2: Islamic extremism, against anti Semitism on behalf of the Jewish community. 88 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 2: And the first thing I said to him, and he 89 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 2: said yes, and you know, you just yeah. I feel 90 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: like I travel a lot overseas, Joe. As you know, 91 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: I go to America a lot. I go to the 92 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 2: Middle East a lot. I go to Canada a lot, 93 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 2: and there's always a lot of security around me when 94 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,679 Speaker 2: I travel to those places. But at home, even though 95 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 2: there were all these awful things, that still had this 96 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: this safe kind of feeling. I felt like I would 97 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: go and do my work and then come home. And 98 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 2: it was, you know, particularly my area, the eastern suburbs 99 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 2: of Sydney, that was somewhere I always felt safe. If 100 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: there are areas in Sydney I would not go anymore. 101 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 2: I might have once gone, I now would not go. 102 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 2: Given the stance that I've taken and the work that 103 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: I do, but to have it happen right here in 104 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: our own backyard, which is what terror does, right. It's 105 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 2: meant to make you just feel feel fear where you're 106 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 2: meant to feel safe. And that's the experience of the 107 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: entire Jewish community here. I've spoken to so many people 108 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 2: who were there, who were shielding children who weren't theirs, 109 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: parents who couldn't find their children, just that panic. And 110 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 2: you know, I used to use this reference point when 111 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: I talk to people about hostages and say, imagine being 112 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 2: in a supermarket. You lose your kid for a second, 113 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 2: and you die inside that level of fearing. There's nothing 114 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: else like it. It's just this, And so I would 115 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 2: say to people, imagine if your child was in a 116 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: tunnel with hostages, and now I'm imagine your child with 117 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 2: gunshots going out and you can't find your child. There 118 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 2: were parents just scrambling, screaming because kids were playing. It 119 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 2: was a big park, there was a festival, so you know, 120 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 2: parents stand off to the side, kids are playing in 121 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 2: the middle. All of a sudden, these two cowards from 122 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: a height so just pointing and shooting and aiming at children. 123 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I can't even imagine that that level of 124 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 2: fear and panic and how you then recover from that 125 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 2: if you're one of the lucky ones to survive it. 126 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't well eron. 127 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: I gotta say the word coward is one I was 128 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: going to use. I'm glad that you went there. How 129 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,799 Speaker 1: else can you explain people shooting up a music festival 130 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: on October seventh? How how else can you explain people 131 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: shooting up a Hankka celebration just the other day in Australia. 132 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: They are cowards. And by the way, I watched the 133 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: entire video, not of people dying, because I didn't I 134 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: don't have that in me. But I watched them on 135 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: the bridge with their bolt action rifles that they're obviously 136 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: allowed to have in Australia. I thought that Australia banned 137 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: all rifles, and I'm like, oh, how did these guys 138 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: get them? And just they looked like they were military 139 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: trained and they were just firing shot after shot after 140 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: shot at defenseless people. I don't know if you if 141 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: your daughter's father carries a gun or not. I don't 142 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: know the situation in Australia, but I do know this 143 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: here in Texas, where I live. They would not have 144 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: been able to do it for eleven minutes. They would 145 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: have been dead way before eleven minutes, and not by 146 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: the end of a gun of a cop necessarily. I've 147 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: got five guns are in fifteen feet from where I'm 148 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: talking to you. Their mine. I'm allowed to have them. 149 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:21,559 Speaker 1: Somebody were to attack my studio, and trust me, they'd 150 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: like to, They're not going to get very far. Why 151 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: wasn't anybody able to stop the attack within eleven freaking minutes. 152 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question, and it's one that a 153 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 2: lot of Australians are asking as well. So the police 154 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 2: have handguns. Hunting guns are allowed, so you can get licenses. 155 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 2: So these guys had hunting guns. And again I make 156 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 2: the point when someone's son is investigated five years ago 157 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: for links to Islamic state post that this bloke was 158 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: given six guns. I just can't. So that is an issue, absolutely, 159 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: But you're right. The other issue is nobody else had 160 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: a gun to try and protect these kids and to 161 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: try and protect people. And you know, this is an 162 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: age old debate. Police will wait for an investigation to 163 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 2: come through, but a lot of people have been very critical. 164 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 2: I also know a lot of people who are in 165 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: the police force who are saying, no, they did their 166 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: best with what they had and they were brave. So 167 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: it's a really it's a tough thing to kind of 168 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 2: come down hard on until we see the entire picture 169 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: the two cowards. As you mentioned, when I first saw 170 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 2: those images, Joe, and I'd put the TV on mute 171 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: when i'd come inside because I didn't want my little 172 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 2: girl to kind of hear the commentary. She's now at 173 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 2: an age where she can kind of understand and grasp it. 174 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 2: And I assumed, not even for a second did I 175 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 2: think they were the gunment. I thought they were police 176 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 2: who would come in or like undercut or something. Do 177 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 2: you know why, because as you said, they looked so calm, 178 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 2: and they looked so good, and they looked like they 179 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 2: were so in control and they knew what they were doing. 180 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: When I use the word good like good good gunment like, 181 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 2: as in they were experiencing they were how they look 182 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: to me, I just was seeing and I assumed they 183 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: were they were looking down to attack the gunman that 184 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: you know that the terrorists. And then it was only 185 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: after a while I went, oh, Lord, and realizing this 186 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 2: is in real time, as in the situation is not over. 187 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: This is in real time. They're still going. How are 188 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 2: they still going? How has no one taking them out? 189 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 2: They're still going? And then you know, afterwards you find 190 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: out they went to the Philippines just recently last month, 191 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: so you know, which is a terrorist hot spot. They 192 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: go there to train them. So and the other issue, Joe, 193 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: that you know you see in some situations when there's 194 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 2: a civilian or someone who's doing a shooting or committing 195 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 2: a crime, and they look nervous and they're fearful and 196 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 2: they're scared, and you know, this is a new thing 197 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: for them. With them, they don't and this is issue. 198 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: This is why you can't not call it out for 199 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: what it is, which is Islamic extremism. For them, you know, 200 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 2: they're cowards, absolutely. They were cowering behind a concrete wall. 201 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: As you know, kids were running and being shot. When 202 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 2: they felt under threat, they cower, but they weren't afraid 203 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 2: of dying. They only were protecting themselves to try and 204 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: keep going for as long as possible to kill as 205 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: many people. This is what this Islamic extremism terrorism does. 206 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: They don't fear consequences. So they're tenfold more terrifying and 207 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: more dangerous than any other type. And again I said 208 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: that they just looked calm, They didn't look panicked. 209 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: They didn't and they were highly trained, as you said, 210 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: they weren't panic because, as you said, they wanted to 211 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: kill as many as they could because they thought that 212 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: was the right thing to do. That's how much. 213 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: And they die. 214 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 1: This Islamic extreme is garbage. And they went and got 215 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: their seventy two virgins. By the way, they're running in 216 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: hell now or the one who died? Did they both died? 217 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: Did just the one day? 218 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 2: No? Only one. One's just okay, So. 219 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: He's in hell. They're no virgins waiting for him. So 220 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: and by the way, it's Erin Mullin, m l an 221 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: go follow her everywhere Erin Underscore Mollin over on YouTube 222 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: and unbelievable channel that she does. Let me ask about 223 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: the setup to the event that happened that day, obviously 224 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 1: a celebration the start of Hanukkah. Did everybody know this 225 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: was going to happen, because I understand thousand people or 226 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: more were there. Did the whole community know this was 227 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 1: going to happen? Was as widely advertised, and if so, 228 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: as a follow up, why the hell you know didn't 229 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 1: And again, I don't want to call your police out. 230 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: I'll just call the government out, who seems to be 231 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: backward to me in many ways in Australia. Did they 232 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: do even the smallest thing to bring some protection knowing 233 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: Jews are in the in the cross heirs right now. 234 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 2: It's a great question. And look at and again I say, 235 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: every single person who is in a role of authority, 236 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 2: or if it is your job, if your police, if 237 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: your government, if you're you know, in the department, there 238 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 2: will be an investigation and if you have not done 239 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: your job for whatever reason, then you absolutely must be 240 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: held to account. So you know, in fact, a lot 241 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: of people are getting in, you know, being shamed for 242 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 2: asking questions. That's our job. We're meant to ask questions. 243 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: So you're absolutely right. And when the investigation occurs and 244 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: we look at everything, I have no doubt there will 245 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 2: be failings. Of course failings. There's fifteen people dead. And 246 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 2: regarding this event, you know, I was invited to it, 247 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 2: so I knew that it was on. But like a 248 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: lot of things in this community, you have to keep 249 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: it quiet. You have to keep it private. I'm speaking, 250 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 2: I was speaking at the equivalent event and I still am. 251 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 2: It's still on on Sunday for the end of Hunniker. 252 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm the guest speaker, and it was a bit meant 253 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 2: to be a big event outside in the city. They're 254 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 2: now doing a lot of things to change that and 255 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: to kind of but again, you know, you can't say 256 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: where it is, you can't say what time it is, 257 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: you can't do this. You know, it's all like that 258 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 2: is insanity in Australia that we even have to live 259 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:35,719 Speaker 2: that way. So look, a lot of people in the 260 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: community would have known that it is on, and there's 261 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: a lot of It's so interesting in this kind of 262 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 2: WhatsApp group space where I'm part of a lot of 263 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: different groups or vast majority of them in the Jewish space, 264 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: and often things are shared from groups that are people 265 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 2: who wish to harm yous and they get this information 266 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: and they share it in their WhatsApp groups, so it 267 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 2: always leaks out. So people would have known absolutely, And look, 268 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,560 Speaker 2: they always do things at Bondai. I've been to three 269 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 2: Jewish events at that exact spot over the last say 270 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: ten months. I've been to a friend's sons bar Mitzvah 271 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 2: at the building next door. I take my child to 272 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: that park often. It's renowned for you know, it's an 273 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: area where a lot of Jewish people live and a 274 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: lot of Jewish people would go to celebrate things like 275 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 2: Hahneka for those of. 276 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: Us who don't know. And Aaron, thanks for spelling all 277 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: that out. It's Aaron molland by the way, m or 278 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: La n for those who don't know. And I don't know. 279 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 1: I've never been to Australia. Explain Bondai Beach. It sounds beautiful. 280 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: Of course, a horrific event happened there, but it sounds 281 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: like one of those places you'd like to visit, you know, 282 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: in your lifetime. Just tell me the geography of it, 283 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: the tobography of it. Just what is Bondai Beach If 284 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: I didn't know. 285 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 2: So it's I mean, it's bucket list, it's you know, 286 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: you look at the different places in Australia that are 287 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: renowned that they use in tourism ads, et cetera, et cetera. 288 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: The harbor Bridge Opera House, Bondai Beach is always the 289 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: beach and it's it's iconic and it's full of tourists. 290 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 2: It's full of people from all over the world. It's 291 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: full of locals, it's full of Jews, it's full of Muslims, 292 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 2: it's full of Hindus, it's full of Christians. It's a 293 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 2: melting pot because it is such a tourist hot spot. 294 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 2: It's in the east of Sydney, and the space specifically 295 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 2: for people to understand. So most of your listeners and 296 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: viewers would have seen the two men up on that bridge, 297 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: and I'll explain the kind of area around there. So 298 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: there's a car park behind that bridge connects the kind 299 00:14:26,640 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 2: of the walkway behind the car park and it takes 300 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: you over a car park to get to this kind 301 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 2: of grassy knoll that is just before the beach. So 302 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: directly straight across from that bridge where they were standing, 303 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 2: there's a big children's park. On the right, there's a 304 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: building that's used for a lot of Jewish events. On 305 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,240 Speaker 2: the left is a big flat grass space. There's about 306 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 2: a meter drop and you're basically on the sand of 307 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 2: Bondai and that's the beach there. So these cowards, when 308 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: you think about the position they were in, I mean, 309 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,720 Speaker 2: no one had a chance, you know, no one had 310 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: a chance where they were positioned. It was almost like 311 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 2: you in a cage. You No, it's just just horrific. 312 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 2: But it's it's renowned for joy and happiness, an Australia Day. 313 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: It's a massive, big day that you often see Australian 314 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 2: flags there upon thy beach. People are proud of it. 315 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: It's something that the people travel all over the world 316 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: to come and see. It's there's bars, there's restaurants, there's shops. 317 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 2: It's and again a melting pot. It's a it's a 318 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: highly popular tourist destination that now has been stained and 319 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 2: will be stained for I don't know for how long. 320 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: It's so it's so horrible what happened. I appreciate you 321 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: telling me about the beach. I didn't know much about it. 322 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people here saying Bondi Beach. 323 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: To be honest with you, because a Pam Bond here 324 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: Attorney General. It's Aaron Molin Go to erin Underscore molin 325 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: over on YouTube. Go follow her on Excess World. Do 326 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: all of that. She's a little into the weather right now. 327 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: I've been talking for the for the past four days straight. No, 328 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: no need to apologize. Let me ask you about how 329 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: how pervasive things like this are in Australian. Here's what 330 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean. Here in the States, as you know, for 331 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 1: four straight years the Biden administration. It wasn't Biden because 332 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: he was he was eating ice cream and using autopen, 333 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: but the people who were running that administration for four 334 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: years opened our borders. We've got tens, potentially tens of 335 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: thousands of terrorists within our borders right now. They just 336 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: stop some event that was playing for New Year's even 337 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: Los Angeles Pro Palestine group allegedly behind that we had 338 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: a guy who was sort of an Afghani ally of 339 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: ours shot two National Guards members in the face. One 340 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: died in Washington, d C. The day before Thanksgiving. It's 341 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: pervasive here. There are enclaves of people who are Islamists 342 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: in this country that would like to see Western civilization 343 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: go away. What is it like in Australia. 344 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: I want to ask you whether or not you think Canada, 345 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 2: the UK and France have been particularly sympathetic to the 346 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: plight of the Jews, Western civilization Israel And the answer 347 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 2: is no, absolutely not been. They have taken less than 348 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: a handful, if that, of people from Gaza and they 349 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: are the worst when it comes to this issue, the 350 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 2: weakest leaders and the worst Australia. Joe has taken over 351 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 2: three thousand. This is just a recent example from Gaza 352 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 2: since October seven, a terrorist state where they voted in hamas. 353 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: They are raised to hate and to kill. Make that 354 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: make sense. France under Macron, No, the UK under Starmer, No, 355 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: Canada under Kearney. Even those leaders who are as weak 356 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 2: as Spinach, I kn't even think they are, just they 357 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: are horrific, didn't take in three thousand from Gaza. So 358 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 2: that's just one example. We have been the beneficiaries in 359 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 2: Australia of incredible immigration over the years. We've got, you know, 360 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: Greek Australians, Italian Australians, Chinese Australians, Indian Australian who have 361 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 2: come into this country and contributed immensely. They've embraced our 362 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 2: way of life. Yes, they've kept parts of their culture 363 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: that are special and their own religions which we love 364 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: freedom to do all of that. But they haven't come 365 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 2: here trying to destroy us. They haven't come here trying 366 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: to force their beliefs upon us. And they haven't come 367 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 2: here Joe trying to kill us. That to me, is 368 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: a good person to bring into your country. Some of 369 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: the people we now have in this country that have 370 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: been allowed to just absorb this hateful propaganda, who have 371 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: watched other people in this nation attack Jews for two years, 372 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 2: who have not been punished and not been held to account. 373 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 2: This ideology is spreading. We've got groups here, We've got more, 374 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 2: some preachers who celebrated October seven. We had people celebrating 375 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: it on the steps of the Opera House. Did one 376 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 2: of them pay a price? No, So we have pockets 377 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: of people in this country who want to kill us, 378 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 2: who haven't come here and said, this is a great 379 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: opportunity for me to raise my kids in the most 380 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: incredible country in the world. They've come here and thought, 381 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: I want to destroy what this is. And we've had 382 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: leadership who has allowed people to come into this country 383 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: who wanted to destroy us. Now the number one job 384 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: of any government, and I say the same thing about Israel. 385 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: It's not even it's not your duty to defend your people. 386 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. It is. It is your job. It is 387 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: your entire point of existence. It's not your right like 388 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: you have to This is the thing This is why 389 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 2: we put people in power, like, yes, all the other 390 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 2: stuff can come secondary, sort the economy, blah blah. Keep 391 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: us safe, that's it. Don't let people in who are 392 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 2: gonna kill us. Erin. 393 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: It's the first job. I'm sure you've heard about what's 394 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: happening in Chicago, what's happening in Minneapolis. In the States, 395 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean, those people don't think they have to protect 396 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 1: the people in their cities, those governors that don't think 397 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: they have to protect the people in their states. It 398 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: doesn't Again, Biden for four years didn't think you had 399 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: to protect the American people. But here's the question. France 400 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: is backward on immigration, but they were smart enough. Same 401 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: thing with Canada, same thing with Italy is dumb on immigration. 402 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: I think they've done a better job with not taking 403 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: as many gosins as you guys have. So so let 404 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: me ask you this, what was the sales job? What 405 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: was the sales pitched by your leadership? We need three 406 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: thousand people in our country that have nothing but hate 407 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: for Judeo Christian values and for Western civilization. What did 408 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: they say? 409 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 2: Joe, Joe, Joe, Now you've made a rookie era, as 410 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: if they asked as if as if they sought our approval. 411 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, yeah, I'm on so. 412 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: They did it. 413 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: Well, let me stop here because you make me go 414 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: to the next point. Because you're right, it was a 415 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: rookie question, maybe rhetorical, give me a little credit. 416 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 2: But having said that, because it's such a legitimate question to. 417 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 1: What's going on in the UK. No, you're right. By 418 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: the way those watching listening, there's a bit of a delay. 419 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,560 Speaker 1: We're not really talking over each other. It takes a 420 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 1: second to get to get to Australia. In the UK, 421 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: they pretty much said to the to the residents of 422 00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: the UK also, But now they've taken it to the 423 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: step that if you complain about those shutting down London 424 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: Bridge by doing the prayer, you get arrested if you 425 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 1: posted on Facebook or x Are we there in Australia too? 426 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: Can Eric? 427 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: Can you do what you do without fear of persecution 428 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:11,240 Speaker 1: or not? 429 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,959 Speaker 2: Look, I can from that perspective absolutely, I get you know, persecution, 430 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: not from government in regards to being arrested. We're not 431 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: in the UK yet, but I mean, give us time, Joe, 432 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 2: give us time. I look at what's happening over there 433 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:33,239 Speaker 2: and it's it is insanity and the absolute hypocrisy of 434 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: it too. You know, you can come into the UK 435 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 2: if you like, despite the fact that you have celebrated 436 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: October seven online and you have said you want to 437 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: kill Jews, but god forbid, you're someone who was born 438 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 2: there and you say, I don't want that person who 439 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 2: wants to kill us to come into the country. Go penitentiary, 440 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: ten years, you're gone. I mean, it's not even exaggerating. Yeah, yeah, like, 441 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 2: but this is the issue, and this is this is 442 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: why people are terrified to fight back and people you know, 443 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 2: you've got on one side, You've got the Islamic extremists 444 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: and Joe as you know, because you're in this space too, 445 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 2: and you fight against this as well. That's a somewhat 446 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 2: terrifying prospect being on their radar. Then you've got to 447 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 2: also worry about the people who are charged with keeping 448 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: you safe, saying, oh no, you might have hurt someone's 449 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 2: feelings who wants to kill us when you said, when 450 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 2: you say that you don't want Islamic extremists in Australia, 451 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,400 Speaker 2: that might have hurt their feelings. And we just can't 452 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: afford that because we are an open welcoming nation. I mean, 453 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: come on, like it would be parody if someone came 454 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,959 Speaker 2: to you, Joe and said, I want to do this 455 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: short story or this movie or this series. And this 456 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,199 Speaker 2: is what's going to happen. There's going to be a 457 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: country and they're going to say we're going to let 458 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: all these people who have terrorist ideology into the country. 459 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 2: The people already in the country are going to say, no, no, 460 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: we don't want them here because we want to live 461 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 2: and we want to protect our kids. And then the 462 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: government says, how dare you you racist bigots? Go to jail. 463 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: You'd say, oh, it's just not believable enough. It's a 464 00:22:58,720 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 2: bit silly. 465 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 1: It could it couldn't be proved. Well, you're you're right. 466 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: Wait, they'd say, no, one believe it. 467 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: It is. It is Aaron Mullin. Go and follow her 468 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:10,400 Speaker 1: m l A and is her last name, first name Erin. 469 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: It's Aaron underscore Molin on socials. Go follow her on YouTube. 470 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 1: She's doing very very well on YouTube. Let me let 471 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: let me throw this out there people in this country 472 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,919 Speaker 1: because of what happened in Washington, d C. Because of 473 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: what's going on in in l A. And thwarting that 474 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: that that want to be attacked. People here are saying 475 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: out loud, get them out. We didn't vet anybody from Afghanistan. 476 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: We didn't vet anybody. God forbid that somebody's here from Gaza. 477 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't think they are. Maybe they are, I don't 478 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 1: think so. Uh, but we we aren't vetting anybody for 479 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: four years. Now suddenly we're seeing people dying in the 480 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: streets because of a strange belief to our land. We 481 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: are saying, get them out. Are the people rising up 482 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: in Australia saying find these people and get them out, 483 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: please say that they. 484 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: Are absolutely look not in the kind of numbers that 485 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 2: I would I would prefer, but I think it's I mean, 486 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,080 Speaker 2: what risk are you willing to take? And I made 487 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 2: this point off the back of Trump's action, you know, 488 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: after one of your latest shootings and involving the Afghanistani. 489 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 2: And I made the point. You know, my dad was 490 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: over there fighting. There were incredible people in that country 491 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: who helped the Allied forces, who were translators, who were fixers, 492 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 2: who risked their lives to help. And my heart breaks 493 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 2: that we can't help all of them. But that's just 494 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 2: a reality. This suicidal empathy will kill us and Australians, 495 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 2: I think, are the same. Again. We are a welcoming nation. 496 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 2: We love people from all over the world coming to 497 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 2: our country. We need people to come. We're a small country. 498 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 2: But I think Australians are now starting to realize that 499 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 2: actually there's a price you pay if your desire for 500 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 2: empathy and your desire from a government perspective to get 501 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 2: lots of taxes in, and your desire to look like 502 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: you're good, decent people somehow becomes a greater pull and 503 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: a greater force than your desire to keep people safe. 504 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 2: And that's where we've suddenly landed. I think here in 505 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,320 Speaker 2: Australia again, it's not about being racist. Not wanting people 506 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: to come in and kill you is not racist. It's 507 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: not figurted, it's not Islamophobic, it's none of those things. 508 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: It's just sensible. It's common sense. It's survival instinct. Were 509 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 2: human beings. We are wired. The terrorists aren't, clearly, but 510 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: we are wired to survive and to fight for survival. 511 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: And I just wish that that, you know, urging people 512 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 2: was stronger, and I feel like it will be now. 513 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 2: So yes, we're already saying to people, we've got to 514 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 2: get these people out. You know, in the UAE, in 515 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 2: parts of the Middle East, in Arab nations, you can't 516 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 2: even say a terrorist organization's name. You can't. You can't 517 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 2: hold up a banner or a flag, or you are arrested, 518 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,480 Speaker 2: if not worse, they have zero tolerance because they know 519 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 2: who these people are and they know what they're capable of. 520 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: Yet here in Australia, why do we think we know better? 521 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: In Western nations, we're like, oh, no, freedom of speech. No, 522 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 2: you're waving a terrorist flag, chanting death to Jews. Well, 523 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 2: look you got what you wanted now and you're still 524 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 2: in this country. 525 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: What's interesting Eron is is the freedom of speech argument 526 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: is a bad one. And here's why it's a bad one. 527 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: And we believe in free speech more here in the 528 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: United States, I think than anywhere else on earth. It's 529 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: a bad argument because my retort is always this, in 530 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, if a bunch of Germans showed up 531 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: on our shore and decided to put on the SS 532 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: uniforms and march down Main Street, USA, would we have 533 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: allowed it. That's free speech, freedom to assemble, freedom to 534 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 1: bring redress, of course not. It's an enemy force. It's 535 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: an enemy force that is literally saying we want to 536 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: kill you and your way of life. That's what these 537 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: people are doing. When they're flying Palestinian flags or or 538 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 1: Hamas flags, or ISIS flags or is the Islamic State flaw, 539 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: whatever the hell it happens to be, the Muslim Brotherhood flags, 540 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,719 Speaker 1: they are saying we are here to kill you. That 541 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: isn't free speech. That is an attack, is what it. 542 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: Is, exactly. And you look at the mandate of any 543 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: of these organizations, at their I mean, it's not even 544 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: like they're subtle. If they were really clever and hiding 545 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 2: their intentions, we could all wake up the other day 546 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 2: and say, you know what, there's nothing we could have 547 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: done because we had no idea they felt this way. 548 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 2: We have no idea that someone inspired by Islamic State 549 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 2: would want to kill us, or somebody funded by the 550 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood would want to kill us. Well, you know what, Joe, 551 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 2: they write it down, they preach it, They told us 552 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 2: a million times over. They have told us what they want. 553 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 2: It is to destroy us, to kill us, to replace us, 554 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: and ignorance, Yes, exactly. And then we go, oh, my gosh, 555 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: what the hell. No, they're telling us. They're telling and 556 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 2: they're telling us how go in, go in, do it peacefully, 557 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 2: immerse yourself, schools, universities, social media. You know, it's not 558 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: it's not that we've suddenly just gone, oh my gosh, 559 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,920 Speaker 2: what's going on? We know, but for some reason we're 560 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: arrogant enough to think it won't happen to us, or 561 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 2: they're not really serious. 562 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: Well, they are serious, They are well, and they keep 563 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: on proving it to us, and we keep on saying, oh, 564 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: I don't know. You know, you mentioned something earlier that 565 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: Australian government said, Hey, maybe it'll help the tax base, 566 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: and hey, it'll show that we're really good people. I 567 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: don't think the first part is even is even in there. 568 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: I think it's all trying to prove to somebody that 569 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: we don't have to prove anything to that we're nice people. 570 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: Of course we're nice people. We live in civilized societies. 571 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: Western civilization is the best that has ever existed, and 572 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: they hate it because they don't have the power and 573 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 1: control to force whatever weird belief they have upon us. 574 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: So I think it's probably the second. We see a 575 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: lot of that in the United States. It's Aaron Mullen. Aaron, 576 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: You've given me so much time. I want to finish 577 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: with this. If you don't mind, you've got to come 578 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: back more often and stop stopped talking me. 579 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: Never I know. 580 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: Let me, let me, let me ask you this. You're 581 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: not Jewish. I'm not Jewish. I'm a Christian person. 582 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: I think you're a Christian I am, Katherine. 583 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: Why do you fight so hard for Israel? Why are 584 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: you okay but being called as I mean? Why is 585 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 1: it that you put yourself in the front and center 586 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: to defend these people who's religion you are not a 587 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:07,719 Speaker 1: part of? 588 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 2: Joe, do you know what the best example of why is? No, 589 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 2: tell me what happened on Sunday. Yes, what happened on 590 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 2: Sunday is the best example of my why. And not 591 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,479 Speaker 2: just because I'm a human being who cares deeply about 592 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: human beings from all different backgrounds, culture's religions. That could 593 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: have been me there with my daughter. That they don't 594 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 2: care who they kill, and I knew from day dot 595 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 2: that this kind of evil was not just trying to 596 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 2: destroy the Jews. So yes, I would stand with any 597 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: minority group of people who are being attacked by terrorists. 598 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: But my stance is also a selfish one, because I 599 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 2: am smart enough to understand that when they drive a 600 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: car into a Christmas market in Brussels, they ain't checking 601 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 2: if you're wearing a cross or a star, whether you're Hindu, 602 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: whether you're Muslim. They don't care. They want to destroy 603 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: us all. So I could see straight away that this 604 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: kind of evil ideology was coming for us all. They 605 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,400 Speaker 2: might start with the Jews, they might derive more joy 606 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: from killing the Jews, but they are happy to wipe 607 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: us all out, and that's part of their plan. So 608 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: you've got to stand with the side of good versus evil, 609 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: and Joe if my country can't look at what happened 610 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: on Sunday, because I looked at October seven, and I 611 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 2: knew straight away which side I was on. It was 612 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 2: not complex, and it's not the side of guards and 613 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: children versus Israel. They're on the side of Israel. The 614 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,520 Speaker 2: guards and children. In my mind, they're innocent children born. 615 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 2: The enemy to them and to Israel is the same. 616 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 2: It is Islamic extremism. I knew straight away the side 617 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: of good versus evil. If Australians can't look at what 618 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: happened on Sunday, and if the Western world can't look 619 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 2: at that and say which group do I align with more? 620 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 2: A group of innocent people celebrating their faith, peacefully trying 621 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: to protect each other, people jumping on top of other people, 622 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,600 Speaker 2: giving their lives for others. Or two cowards on a bridge, 623 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 2: male adults with shotguns with rifles shooting people off like animals. 624 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 2: If you can't determine which side more alignce with your values, 625 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 2: then screw you. You don't belong in any Western country. 626 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: It's my why as well eron. I think that's why 627 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: we hit it off so well and why we get 628 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: along so well. I'll finish with this something you know, 629 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: but I'll say for the audience's sake as well. On 630 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: nine to eleven A lot of Muslims died that day 631 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 1: in those buildings. It didn't matter that there were Jews, Muslims, Christians, atheists, 632 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: none of that mattered. Hindu Buddhists, it didn't matter. What 633 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: mattered was they wanted mass casualties to scare us into submission. 634 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: Something you want allowed to happen to you, something I 635 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: want allowed to happen to me. And by the way, 636 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: when they kill Muslims, they say it's okay. They're going 637 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: to go straight to the right hand of Allah. It's 638 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: okay if they die during our mission, which of course 639 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: is nuts. As you said, it's not sane to allow 640 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: this to happen and not raise your voice and say something. 641 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: You've got a major voice, not only in Australia, but 642 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: you're globally. You're growing every single day. Thank you for 643 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: being out in front of this, and thank you so 644 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: much for your friendship and for coming on today. 645 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 2: You are a legend, and I know that your audience 646 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 2: loves you already. But if I can just say, I've 647 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,479 Speaker 2: met so many people in this industry over twenty years 648 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: in media, you are one of the most genuine, passionate, 649 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: best broadcasters I've encountered, and the most supportive of other broadcasters. 650 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: And let me tell your audience that is rare. That 651 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 2: is extremely rare. So you should value this bloke that 652 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: you get to listen to every day. They're very lucky 653 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 2: to have you as am I as ore. We thank you, Joe. 654 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 1: Honored so much erin thank you so much. I can 655 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,840 Speaker 1: say exactly the same. Your way, people like you could 656 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: easily blow somebody like me off and the fact that 657 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,959 Speaker 1: you're mutually supportive not only of me, but of other 658 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: broadcasters as well. It just means that you are so 659 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: secure in what it is that you're doing and you 660 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: want more people to do it the right way as well. 661 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: Erin thanks a million, make rest your voice for a 662 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: second of your kennel and come back on against you. 663 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 2: Okay, I'd love to. 664 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: You're amazing, all right. That's it for Unshaken and Not 665 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,239 Speaker 1: Afraid with Joe PAGs this time, back with another one 666 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: very soon. Make sure make sure you subscribe right here.