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Speaker 1: time tomorrow. Thank you so much, Thank you, Kevin.

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Speaker 3: Here he is from New York. That Kevin is Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here. Kevin McCullough. Couldn't be happier

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Speaker 1: can provide two meals a day and all the clean

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Speaker 1: drinking water that child can consume for the next year.

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Speaker 1: Right now, that one time gift of seventy five dollars

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Speaker 1: will help one child. We are getting closer and closer

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Speaker 1: do this without you. We need your help and time

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Speaker 1: is running out for these kids. Every day that we

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Speaker 1: can't feed one of them, that's a day closer that

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Speaker 1: they get to possibly dying. So thank you to your

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Speaker 1: generous support, Thank you for your big heart, Thank you

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Speaker 1: for just wanting to do the right thing. Eight five

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Speaker 3: Here he is from New York. Ken Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Times Square, Kevin McCullough, that Kevin Show, that

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Speaker 1: kevinshow dot com and as I don't know how you've

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Speaker 1: transgressed the news of recent days, but for my family,

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Speaker 1: you know, the ankle biters, they always have their opinions

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Speaker 1: about their own things, and so when we're on our

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Speaker 1: way to church or wherever, there's always a discussion. And

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Speaker 1: I'm interested in seeing how the current events taking place

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Speaker 1: in Iran and other places are being discussed in my

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Speaker 1: kids classrooms, because it is not necessarily even what I

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Speaker 1: would report here, but much less what balanced reporting would

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Speaker 1: look like in the news. And that's just kind of

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Speaker 1: one little tiny tidbit of how education impacts what our

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Speaker 1: kids are understanding and learning and thinking through in the

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Speaker 1: day to day life. I don't tell my kids what

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Speaker 1: to think, but I'm trying to help them to learn

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Speaker 1: how to think critically. And someone else who cares about

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Speaker 1: that a lot is the CEO of the Education Freedom Foundation,

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Speaker 1: and I'm hoping like hope, like I really really hope

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Speaker 1: that she's the next First Lady of the State of Florida.

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Speaker 1: Erica Donald's back with us, Erica. It's always good to

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Speaker 1: see you. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 7: Oh, thanks so much for having me. You're so kind.

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Speaker 1: The idea that schools shape our kids, even in the

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Speaker 1: midst of what we're watching going on in the news,

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Speaker 1: is that really does take place. And there are narratives

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Speaker 1: I've noticed in what my kids have brought home from

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Speaker 1: That's just one of the reasons why it's important for

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Speaker 1: to how they educate their kids. Is it not so true?

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Speaker 8: And so much more so now than before. You know,

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Speaker 8: I got involved in the school choice movement fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 8: But in recent years we've seen families want to make

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Speaker 8: a different choice outside of their zone public school based

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Speaker 8: on their value set and the fact that they don't

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Speaker 8: want teachers putting their viewpoints, especially political viewpoints, on their students.

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Speaker 8: They want teachers to help students think for themselves, think critically,

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Speaker 8: have in depth debate, and discussions. Not tell them what

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Speaker 8: find source information. And that's why we've seen such a

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Speaker 8: resurgence of classical education as well, especially in the school movement.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you. I just got a press release

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Speaker 1: a rise in anti homeschooling. Now, homeschooling is always in

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Speaker 1: my book, had you know people that were opposed to it,

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Speaker 1: But are you sensing that that there's a new resurgence

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Speaker 1: against that particular option of what people sometimes exercise.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's not just a sense.

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Speaker 8: There is absolutely a backlash, and that's because homeschooling is

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Speaker 8: the fastest growing manner in which children are educated. Ever

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Speaker 8: since COVID, it's doubled across the country.

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Speaker 1: Well, he was to blame for that. Come on, we

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Speaker 1: saw what was going on on the zooms. You showed

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Speaker 1: it to us.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly right. And so parents are taking into their

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Speaker 8: own hands, and with technology and more school choice options,

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Speaker 8: more families feel equipped to homeschool their children. And we

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Speaker 8: see in polling that seven percent of parents are homeschooling.

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Speaker 8: Now again that's double from before COVID. Another seven percent

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Speaker 8: said that they would homeschool if they were able to

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Speaker 8: feelt like they could, maybe they have work or financial obligations.

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Speaker 8: Now what we're seeing in legislatures is a crackdown, if

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Speaker 8: you will, trying to put restrictions on families' ability to

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Speaker 8: exercise that choice. We've been able to beat that back

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Speaker 8: in New Jersey and Rhode Island in other states, but

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Speaker 8: certainly states, especially teachers unions are trying to exert additional

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Speaker 8: authority in taking away parents' ability to school at home.

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Speaker 8: But thankfully the teachers unions are losing. We have more

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Speaker 8: school choice options showing up or expanding every legislative session.

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Speaker 8: Texas just ended their window for enrollment in their new

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Speaker 8: school choice program, over two hundred and eighteen thousand applications

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Speaker 8: at the last count. Unfortunately that's only for about eighty

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Speaker 8: thousand spots. But in each of these situations, including the

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Speaker 8: federal tax credit scholarship launching next year, parents can use

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Speaker 8: those public funds to purchase curriculum, online courses, dual enrollment certifications,

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Speaker 8: things that they can use to equip them to homeschool

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Speaker 8: their children.

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Speaker 1: I know there are others that do it, but I'm

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Speaker 1: speaking thinking specifically, of Liberty University, which has for a

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Speaker 1: few years now had a homeschool curriculum that not only

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Speaker 1: met the standards necessary, but could qualify students for college

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Speaker 1: credit in the high school arena. Is this a trend

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Speaker 1: that we're going to continue to see?

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And Liberty actually has an entire K through twelve

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Speaker 8: school private online school that parents can access and in

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Speaker 8: many cases can use their public funding, their education scholarship

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Speaker 8: account dollars, and now they're five twenty nine dollars to

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Speaker 8: pay for those.

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Speaker 7: And you're going to.

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Speaker 8: See a lot more of that because it all goes

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Speaker 8: back to the free market, Like you said, when parents

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Speaker 8: become consumers, especially when they have availability of public funds,

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Speaker 8: and we have that free market competition and availability of

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Speaker 8: more consumers in the marketplace, you're going to see more

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Speaker 8: innovators come into this space, whether that's high institutes of

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Speaker 8: higher education offering things like this, or a mom who's

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Speaker 8: homeschooled or kids and created her own curriculum who wants

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Speaker 8: to put it online and sell it to other moms.

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Speaker 8: I hope that every type of innovator comes into the

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Speaker 8: education space and starts bringing new products into parents'.

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Speaker 1: Homes well we need the all of the above approach

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Speaker 1: that you were just describing. What other areas are you

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Speaker 1: seeing states adopt a school choice in twenty twenty six

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Speaker 1: and what are some of the initiatives that the Education

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Speaker 1: Freedom Foundation would like to see advance this year.

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Speaker 8: Well, we're seeing expansion of space in Tennessee just yesterday

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Speaker 8: actually it started moving through the legislature to double the

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Speaker 8: number of seats because they had fifty four applications last

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Speaker 8: year for only twenty thousand seats. So we're going to

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Speaker 8: start to see more improvement and fewer wait lists I

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Speaker 8: think in the existing school choice programs. But the big

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Speaker 8: issue is supply. We are seeing so many weight lists

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Speaker 8: because we don't have enough schools to accommodate the demand

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Speaker 8: from families. And that's what Education Freedom Foundation really focuses on.

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Speaker 8: We help people start schools and bring education programs to

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Speaker 8: the marketplace so that parents can access them.

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Speaker 1: If people wanted to know more about how they could

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Speaker 1: help in their local area, how do they get in

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Speaker 1: touch with you guys to become part of the team.

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Speaker 8: So Education Freedom Foundation is at your edfreedom dot org.

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Speaker 8: There's resources for parents there. Most importantly, there is a

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Speaker 8: free start a school toolkit. That could mean being a

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Speaker 8: homeschool parent, It could mean starting a micro school, a

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Speaker 8: private school, a charter school. But we have experienced, as

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Speaker 8: you know, I started six charter schools and have gotten

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Speaker 8: approval for private schools in seventeen states. So we know

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Speaker 8: what it takes to come to market in the school

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Speaker 8: choice movement, and we can help parents do it or

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Speaker 8: education entrepreneurs. Many teachers are starting their own schools. So

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Speaker 8: that's at your edfreedom dot org. All the resources you

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Speaker 8: need for free.

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Speaker 1: Your edfreedom dot org, your edfreedom dot org and you

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Speaker 1: can learn more and do all of that there. Erica

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Speaker 1: Donald's always appreciate you. Thank you for spending some time

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 1: You got it. Kevin McCullough coming back to Times Square,

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Speaker 1: don't go away, stick around for more of fat Kevin.

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Speaker 5: Next, serving it up with a no drink minimal.

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Speaker 3: It's that kind of.

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Speaker 1: Show, all right, Kevin McCulla Thanking you for those of

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Speaker 1: you that have been with us today. Again, the challenge

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Speaker 1: is very simple. There's one hundred and fifty children that

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Speaker 1: we have not yet spoken for of the seven hundred

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Speaker 1: and twenty, which means We've done an amazing thing. Five

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Speaker 1: hundred and seventy children have been fed for the next

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Speaker 1: year and have clean drinking water for the full year,

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Speaker 1: two meals a day. By the way, thank you for

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Speaker 1: everyone who's been part of that. But we also have

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Speaker 1: some wood to chop in. Those remaining one hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty and twelve thousand dollars would cover that entire thing.

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Speaker 1: And I've issued a challenge. If you will give a

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Speaker 1: gift to five thousand dollars or more, I will have

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Speaker 1: dinner with you. We will work it out, we will

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Speaker 1: make it happen. I will spend the evening. You can

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Speaker 1: have friends, We will pelt me with questions, we will

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Speaker 1: we will have a wonderful night of conversation about politics, news, faith, God, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: anything and everything that is of interest to you. But

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars. Everyone who gives five thousand or more

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Speaker 1: from this point in the campaign to the end, I

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Speaker 1: will award that to them. There's also this little thing too,

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Speaker 1: and that is if you're the first one to give

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Speaker 1: five thousand dollars today, the mccallough family is going to

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Speaker 1: match you. So if you give six thousand dollars and

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Speaker 1: you were the first one. We're going to give six,

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Speaker 1: So that's that's underway as well. Here's the phone number

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Speaker 1: eight five five nine zero seven four six seven three

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Speaker 1: eight five five nine zero seven four six seven three.

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Speaker 1: All right, coming up next hour. I mentioned this earlier

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Speaker 1: this hour. The most important monologue I've ever done on

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Speaker 1: this show will be at the beginning of the next hour.

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Speaker 1: I have something to say that was keeping me awake

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Speaker 1: at three am this morning, And as I grabbed my

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Speaker 1: writing device and started to put these thoughts down, I

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Speaker 1: just I could not unsee what I saw. I was

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Speaker 1: so overcome with this central revelation of obvious truth that

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Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever heard anybody say, at least

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Speaker 1: in the way that I'm planning on saying it. So

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Speaker 1: will you stay with me through to the next hour

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Speaker 1: and at least hear me out on that. But beyond that,

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Speaker 1: John Ayella is going to be back with us from

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Speaker 1: an organization called Open the Bible. Their entire focus at

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Speaker 1: that organization is to get you to be more inquisitive

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Speaker 1: about what's in the pages of scripture. Just get inside

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Speaker 1: there and see what's in look under the hood like

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Speaker 1: that's their whole that's their whole goal is just to

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Speaker 1: create within you a curiosity about what's in the between

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Speaker 1: the covers of Sure, we've got a very special event

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Speaker 1: coming up with open the Bible, and I want you

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Speaker 1: to know about that as well. He'll be with us.

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Speaker 1: And then you may know the name Billy Graham, and

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Speaker 1: you may know his daughter Ann Graham, who became Am

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Speaker 1: Graham and Graham Lots when she got married and her daughter.

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Speaker 1: Here, Well, welcome, Kavil McCullough. Glad to have you with us,

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Speaker 1: Always pleased to have you here. Sometimes on Wednesdays we

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Speaker 1: for us than I sometimes do. I've got some very

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Speaker 1: special guests. John i Elo is going to be with

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Speaker 1: in what's inside of the Bible. Maybe that doesn't appeal

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Speaker 1: Then I'm going to be joined by and Graham Lots

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Speaker 1: ran through my head. That runs through nearly every major

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Speaker 1: debate consuming our culture today. It shows up in conversations

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Speaker 1: At the center of it all is a single, unavoidable truth,

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Speaker 1: God's design works, and the modern left can't stand that.

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Speaker 1: personal and volatile debate of the moment, the human body.

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Speaker 1: For thousands of years, every civilization understood something simple and profound.

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Speaker 1: Male and female are not arbitrary categories. They are foundational realities,

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Speaker 1: encoded into every cell, and reality doesn't bend. Study after

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Speaker 1: study have raised serious concerns about long term physical and

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Speaker 1: The human body was not designed to be dismantled and reassembled,

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Speaker 1: according to ideology. It was designed with intention, with purpose,

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Speaker 1: with design affirming that design leads to health, coherence, stability.

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Speaker 1: Rejecting it leads to confusion and fragmentation and harm. The

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Speaker 1: make desperate compromises just to keep lights on God's design

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Speaker 1: foundation of every prosperous society in history. Undermine them through corruption,

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Speaker 1: In what happens, inflation rises, opportunity shrinks, trust collapse. Because

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Speaker 1: depend on it. The area of justice tells us the

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Speaker 1: same story. At the heart of true justice is the

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Speaker 1: why we pursue fairness, why we punish wrongdoing, but strip

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Speaker 1: where law enforcement is undermined, where victims are forgotten and

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Speaker 1: criminals are rationalized. When justice is no longer anchored in

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Speaker 1: the inherent value of every human life, it stops being

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Speaker 1: justice at all. It becomes power. Then there's peace. Peace

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Speaker 1: is not achieved by appeasement. It is not sustained by weakness.

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Speaker 1: History has proven that time and time again. Real peace

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Speaker 1: comes through strength, clarity, moral conviction, the willingness to confront

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Speaker 1: evil and to restrain evil. Scripture understood this long before

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Speaker 1: modern geopolitics ever existed. Blessed are the peacemakers does not

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Speaker 1: mean blessed are the passive. It means blessed are those

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Speaker 1: when families are formed, when children are formed, when communities

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Speaker 1: that has thrived has honored those truths in some form,

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Speaker 1: but reject them, devalue family, diminish the importance of children,

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Speaker 1: readdefine the structure of human relationships. And the consequences are immediate.

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Speaker 1: Birth rates collapse, loneliness rises, society's age and weaken. Life withers.

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Speaker 1: Because life flourishes when it aligns with God's design. All

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Speaker 1: of this points to a reality that many would rather avoid.

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Speaker 1: This isn't ultimately about politics. It's about authority. God's design

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Speaker 1: simply is. And that presents a problem for any worldview

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Speaker 1: heart of it all. The anger, the insistence, the relentless

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Speaker 1: push to redefine what has always been. It is not

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Speaker 1: just disagreement with other people. It is resistance to the

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Speaker 1: one who designed it all. But here's the part that

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Speaker 1: God's design is an arbitrary. It's not restrictive for the

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Speaker 1: sake of restriction. It is ordered toward life, toward flourishing,

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Speaker 1: toward love. And when we live within it, we don't

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Speaker 1: lose freedom, we find it. When we honor it, we

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Speaker 1: don't diminish humanity, we elevate it. And when we reject it,

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Speaker 1: the consequences aren't just philosophical, they are painfully, unmistakably real,

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Speaker 1: because in the end, reality always wins, and reality, whether

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Speaker 1: who created it. Un Kevin mccollor.

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Speaker 3: Here he is from New York. Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Times Square. Kevin McCullough. Glad to have

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Speaker 1: you live and always thankful to be able to talk

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Speaker 1: about all things in life, not just what's going on

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Speaker 1: kind of walking through this lent and season, and it

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Speaker 1: what he really lived through, And it's very different than

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Speaker 1: Saint Patrick was. This was a man who lived in slavery.

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Speaker 1: It was liberated and went back to where he was

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Speaker 1: enslaved for one express purpose to just share the Gospel

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Speaker 1: and so it was a big lift for him. Do

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Speaker 1: you have to be Saint Patrick to have an evangelistic

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you have that level of commitment, the

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Speaker 1: with our faith. We want to invite friends, we want

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Speaker 1: to tell them about the good News, but sometimes we

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Speaker 1: are a little intimidated or scared or fearful of how

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Speaker 1: to do that. Not wanting to reject a friend, not

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Speaker 1: wanting a friend to reject us. John Ielo is back

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Speaker 1: with us from an organization called Open the Bible, whose

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Speaker 1: express purpose is just to get people interested in reading

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Speaker 1: what's inside scripture, which is kind of a cool organization.

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Speaker 1: But John, for the last number of years we've been

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Speaker 1: working together on something called heaven. How I got here

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Speaker 1: the story of the Thief on the Cross, And I

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Speaker 1: know that you were thinking about that very question recently.

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Speaker 1: How do I share my faith? How do I cast

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Speaker 1: my faith? And this film, this WatchKit opportunity that we

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Speaker 1: have been talking about, is really a low barrier, simple

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Speaker 11: It really is, Kevin, thank you and thanks for having

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Speaker 11: me again. It can be scary to talk to people

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Speaker 11: about faith, to share the gospel, as you were discussing,

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Speaker 11: Saint Patrick did so effectively.

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Speaker 2: And you know, when you think.

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Speaker 11: About the whole Bible and its entirety, that can be intimidating,

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Speaker 11: not only to the listener but to the deliverer.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's hard to share that whole story, the story

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Speaker 2: the Thief on the Cross.

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Speaker 11: However, it's just a little piece of Luke chapter twenty three,

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Speaker 11: and it's so clear, and it's so concise, and it

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Speaker 11: And that's why this story can be so helpful to

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Speaker 11: you out there today listening, watching, if you've got somebody

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Speaker 11: on your heart that needs to hear the good news

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Speaker 11: of Jesus Christ and you can do it without being

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Speaker 11: an MDiv professor or you know, a PhD Bible theelogian.

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Speaker 11: It's just normal people talking to normal people about God's word.

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Speaker 2: And that's where the magic happens. In my mind.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think, and I've said this in our

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Speaker 1: last couple of discussions, we'll say it again. I think

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Speaker 1: that the story of the Thief is the most hope

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Speaker 1: filled story of the Gospel that we see represented in scripture.

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Speaker 1: Lots of other people become apostles or gospel writers or

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Speaker 1: missionaries or big full time workers for Jesus. His disciples

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Speaker 1: go out and they have their ministry after he leaves

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Speaker 1: and goes back to heaven after his resurrection. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that tell a lot of very interesting

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Speaker 1: things about long spiritual journeys. The thief had none of that.

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Speaker 1: He had no opportunity to join a men's group. He

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Speaker 1: couldn't give any money to help build an extension. There

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Speaker 1: was no aisle for him to walk down. There was

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Speaker 1: nothing that he could do to self generate a relationship

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Speaker 1: with God.

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Speaker 11: Right, Yeah, I mean literally, he couldn't walk the path

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Speaker 11: of righteousness. His feet were nailed to across like Jesus right.

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Speaker 11: He couldn't hand out food to serve the needy. His

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Speaker 11: hands were nailed to across, just like Jesus. And yet

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Speaker 11: Jesus said to him today you will be with me

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Speaker 11: in Paradise. He confessed is his sin essentially at the cross,

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Speaker 11: and ask Jesus to remember him. And that's all it

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Speaker 11: took to the certainty of heaven for eternity, which is

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Speaker 11: just an amazing story. And people don't know it. They

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Speaker 11: don't understand the gist of this story. They may have

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Speaker 11: seen it in a movie. They saw the two people

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Speaker 11: next to Jesus on various crosses, and they're screaming and yelling,

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Speaker 11: And yet what happened in the soul and the heart

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Speaker 11: and in the life and eternity of that thief is

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Speaker 11: game changer for anyone out there that really doesn't yet

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Speaker 11: understand Grace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to talk about what we started with

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Speaker 1: in this segment in just a second. But before we

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Speaker 1: go any further, friends, I want you, if you're listening,

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Speaker 1: we have a very simple goal. We'd love for a

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Speaker 1: million people to view a film called Heaven How I

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Speaker 1: Got Here, the story of the Thief on the Cross.

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Speaker 1: It's free to watch. We will even deliver you the

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Speaker 1: link to your inbox so that you can watch it.

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Speaker 1: But we would not only like you to watch it.

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Speaker 1: We would like you to watch it and then, if

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Speaker 1: you are so moved, invite friends to watch it with you,

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Speaker 1: have them over to your house, have a have a

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Speaker 1: watch event. Some people might call him a watch party.

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Speaker 1: It may not be a party in your mind. I

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Speaker 1: think anytime I get friends together kind of have a

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Speaker 1: party atmosphere. But if you want to have an event

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Speaker 1: where you maybe put out a few snacks, a cup

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Speaker 1: of coffee or two, you watch the film together and

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Speaker 1: then have a discussion about what you see, about what

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Speaker 1: you understand about the life of what the thief went

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Speaker 1: through and how he processed all of it. The character

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Speaker 1: is portrayed by the actor Stephen Baldwin in what some

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Speaker 1: have said candidly may be his best performance as an actor,

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Speaker 1: and the story is powerfully written by Colin Smith, who

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Speaker 1: is he's the president of the Ministry Opened the Bible

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Speaker 1: and had served in a pulpit in the Chicago area

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Speaker 1: for many many years, but now full time focuses on

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Speaker 1: Open the Bible. But you can get this watch kit

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Speaker 1: at no cost to you. Just go to that kevinshow

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Speaker 1: dot com backslash heaven, that kevinshow dot com backslash heaven.

934
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Speaker 1: Just ask for the kit. We'd love to send it

935
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Speaker 1: to you. It's absolutely free. And then at the end

936
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Speaker 1: of everything, maybe even shoot us an email back and say,

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Speaker 1: let me tell you what God did when we had

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Speaker 1: our watch event at our house. But we would love

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Speaker 1: for a million homes to have watch events and to

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Speaker 1: share the gospel through this simple story of the thief

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Speaker 1: on the Cross. Now, John, you and I were talking

942
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Speaker 1: before we went on the air to be how do

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Speaker 1: I know who to invite?

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well let me start with this. First of all,

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Speaker 11: be convicted to invite.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 11: We have a simple mission that open the Bible. It's

948
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Speaker 11: we want to build a movement of people who love

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Speaker 11: to open God's word themselves and who feel equipped to

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Speaker 11: open it with others. And so what does equip mean.

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Speaker 11: It just means to have a heart to want to share.

952
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Speaker 11: So starting with your own heart, it's easy to sort

953
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Speaker 11: of hoard the gospel right to keep it to myself

954
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Speaker 11: and all this is wonderful. Or watch the film that

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Speaker 11: you just talked about, Kevin, and I think that was awesome.

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Speaker 11: You know, I'm on fire. The fire doesn't matter unless

957
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Speaker 11: you talk to somebody about it, unless you share it

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Speaker 11: a little bit. So who to talk to?

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Speaker 3: Pray?

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Speaker 11: First of all, my first advice would be just pray

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Speaker 11: Lord to who in my life needs to hear the.

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Speaker 2: True understand the true story of Grace.

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Speaker 11: That maybe is walking around thinking maybe I've lived a

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Speaker 11: good enough life. You know, I'm a pretty good guy.

965
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Speaker 11: I'm a pretty good galley. I haven't done too much.

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Speaker 11: You know, I'm pretty good with the commandments. Right, people

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Speaker 11: walking around sort of thinking that's how they might get

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Speaker 11: into heaven, Right, these are the people that need to

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Speaker 11: hear this. These are the people that maybe need to

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Speaker 11: hear you share a little bit about your own brokenness,

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Speaker 11: your own sinfulness, and how Grace has changed your own

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Speaker 11: walk with the Lord and understanding of what happened at

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Speaker 11: the cross. So I would say, pray number one is

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Speaker 11: the first thing, and then ask ask these people. You know,

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Speaker 11: we'll give you some tools, send a trailer, send whatever

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Speaker 11: you need to do, go on our website, find the

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Speaker 11: right words. But honestly, just asking, hey, would you would

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Speaker 11: you come and watch this with me? Okay, it's an easy.

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Speaker 2: Ask.

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Speaker 11: It's an hour long film, it's free, it's engaging. The

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Speaker 11: performance itself is worth the hour, I promise you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but ask.

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Speaker 11: If you don't ask, it's not going to happen. Okay,

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Speaker 11: And then pray again, Lord, they said, yes, give me

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Speaker 11: the right words when they walk in the door, you know,

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Speaker 11: give me the right snacks when they come to the countertop.

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Speaker 11: Let me let me have the words and what I've found.

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Speaker 11: When you pray that way, the Holy Spirit is bat

989
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Speaker 11: in a thousand, always gives you the right words, always

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Speaker 11: gives you the right heart.

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Speaker 2: And you do not need to be able to repeat it.

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Speaker 11: You do not need to be a theologian to share

993
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Speaker 11: the gospel, and these tools are helpful to do that.

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Speaker 11: All you need to do is maybe simply ask, Hey,

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Speaker 11: what did you relate to with the thief? Here's what

996
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Speaker 11: I related to you know what I mean? I thought

997
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Speaker 11: I was doing okay. I thought I was so far

998
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Speaker 11: from God. I thought I had done so many things

999
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Speaker 11: so bad that God wanted nothing to do with me.

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Speaker 11: Relate a little bit of yourself, and then ask them

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Speaker 11: to just relate a little bit, okay, And then I

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Speaker 11: would argue, just ask the simple question.

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Speaker 2: You know, how do you think the guy got into heaven?

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Speaker 2: You know what changed?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 2: What did he do?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 11: And just ask him to comment on a movie. We

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Speaker 11: all got a little Roger Ebert in us the movie

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Speaker 11: Did you like it?

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Speaker 2: Would you think?

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Speaker 3: Thumbs up? Thumbs down?

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Speaker 11: And just start into the conversation and the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 11: will be right by your shine every step.

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Speaker 1: No doubt. All right, friends, here's our assignment for the week.

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Speaker 1: Get the watch kit. Make sure you have the links

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Speaker 1: and study questions. You can do that by going to

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Speaker 1: that kevinshow dot com backslash Heaven, that kevinshow dot com

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01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: backslash Heaven. Just request the watch kit, have it on hand,

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Speaker 1: pre watch the movie yourself so you know what you're

1021
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Speaker 1: going to show them, and then be putting your list together.

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Speaker 1: And what I have found John, when I've been challenged

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Speaker 1: on things like this, and I go to a really

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Speaker 1: funny church that does things like mugging our neighbors at

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Speaker 1: Christmas at Easter time. Mugging our neighbors is we give

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Speaker 1: them a mug that is full of em and m's

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Speaker 1: or glad you explain that other things and we take

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Speaker 1: it and we say hey, come join us on Holy Weekend.

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Speaker 1: But we mug our neighbors. But when the pastor says,

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Speaker 1: you know, think about who you're going to invite, I

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Speaker 1: don't even really have to think that very long or

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Speaker 1: that very hard, because there's always people that I know. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that person's starting to be more open to what God

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Speaker 1: asked for them, or this person's been through a hard

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Speaker 1: time and I've prayed with them, or there's people I

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Speaker 1: know that are going through something. Now, the Lord will

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Speaker 1: put people on your heart. He will supply names faces.

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Speaker 1: There will not be a vacuum in that. The resistance

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Speaker 1: will come from inside of us. And if we can

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Speaker 1: just lean forward a little bit God, we'll do all

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Speaker 1: of it to His glory. John I Lo thank you

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Speaker 1: for the challenge, Thank you for letting us be part

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Speaker 1: of it. Thank you for what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Kevin. Great to be Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Kevin mccallach. Coming right back from Times Square. Don't go away, Let's.

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Speaker 3: Stick around for more of that.

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Speaker 13: Kevin next here he is from New York.

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Speaker 3: Kevin. Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Times Square. Times Square, No, not Times Square,

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Speaker 1: that Kevin shows the name of the show that kevinshow

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Speaker 1: dot com is where you find everything, and we do

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Speaker 1: come to you from Times Square every day, grateful to

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Speaker 1: be here. I'm very pleased to have my next guests

1055
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Speaker 1: because there's probably no more practical topic that you will

1056
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Speaker 1: ever face or be forced to deal with than the

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Speaker 1: disappointments of life. And when those disappointments reach deep, when

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Speaker 1: the cancer word comes into your vocabulary, when someone walks

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Speaker 1: out on you, when there is a sudden vacuum in

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Speaker 1: your life that you weren't expecting. These are the moments where,

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Speaker 1: shall we say, the rubber meets the road. And in

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Speaker 1: the Bible, this was actually very present in one of

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Speaker 1: the lives of the most well known Old Testament patriarchs,

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Speaker 1: but also in the life of Jesus in what he

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Speaker 1: experiences towards the end of his time. Joining me to

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Speaker 1: discuss all of this is an Graham Lots, who's been

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Speaker 1: with us before, and it's great to see you and

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Speaker 1: Rachel Ruth. Lot's right, who is the who's making her

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Speaker 1: debut with us. Rachel Ruth, it's good to have you

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Speaker 1: with us as well. And the book is called God

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Speaker 1: Won't Leave You There Joseph's Story. Ladies, I don't think

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Speaker 1: I knew until I read some of the publication for

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Speaker 1: the book about the level of loss that you've each

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Speaker 1: kind of walked through in recent years. As you were

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Speaker 1: putting this book together. What was it about your individual

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Speaker 1: journeys that said, we've got to tell people about the

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Speaker 1: hope that is here. And how did you even begin

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Speaker 1: to process going from where you were in some of

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Speaker 1: those dark moments to now really offering hope to those

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Speaker 1: that are maybe seeking seeing them right now?

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Speaker 10: You know, Kevin, I think it wasn't just our journey,

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Speaker 10: but everybody we know is suffering in some way, has

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Speaker 10: some sort of disappointment, disaster. Life is hard, and I

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Speaker 10: think it's gotten harder for some reason. And so what

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Speaker 10: you've referred to from me, you know, my mother went

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Speaker 10: to heaven, then my father went to heaven. And the

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Speaker 10: year that my father went to heaven that that was

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Speaker 10: in February. Then it was in August that I was

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Speaker 10: diagnosed with breast cancer, went through surgery, chemotherapy, radiation that

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Speaker 10: took like a year, and then have had other issues

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Speaker 10: since then. Rachel Ruth has said her own problems, But

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Speaker 10: I think what's carried us through and this is what

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Speaker 10: I would want to get across to everybody that if

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Speaker 10: you don't have trouble in your life, if there's not

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Speaker 10: any suffering, if there's not a disaster, it's make sure

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Speaker 10: you establish a relationship with God now, because you don't

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Speaker 10: want to wait until you have a disaster and then

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Speaker 10: have to scramble to develop a relationship with God. I

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Speaker 10: had a strong relationship with God when all of those

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Speaker 10: things took place, and it was and actually it was

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Speaker 10: before my father went to have her. My husband went

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Speaker 10: to heaven unexpectedly. That was three years before my father

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Speaker 10: did so. But it was my relationship with the Lord

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Speaker 10: that carried me through. And my relationship with the Lord

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Speaker 10: is my own. I don't it's not dependent on my husband,

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Speaker 10: or my father, or my mother or my health. My

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Speaker 10: relationship with the Lord is deeper than that, broader than that,

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Speaker 10: stronger than that. So when a disaster comes, the relationship

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Speaker 10: of the Lord is like your bedrock. It's what carries

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Speaker 10: you through. And I've learned to trust him. He's in control,

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Speaker 10: he knows what he's doing. I've given him my life.

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Speaker 10: I remember I told the radiologists when I was diagnosed

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Speaker 10: with the cancer and after the mammogram and he had

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Speaker 10: a box of Kleenex from me to be crying. And

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Speaker 10: I said, no, I said, you don't understand. God's in control,

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Speaker 10: and I know if He's allowed this, that is for

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Speaker 10: a greater purpose.

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Speaker 9: So that's that's critical, I think.

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Speaker 10: And if you haven't established relationship with God and the

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Speaker 10: disaster is hit, then maybe this book and what we

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Speaker 10: testify would encourage you to do that, because that's your

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Speaker 10: number one priority. It's not your healthy or happiness, it's

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Speaker 10: your relationship with God.

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Speaker 1: I just want to repeat the title of the book,

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Speaker 1: God won't leave you there. It's Joseph's story, But that's

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Speaker 1: an encouraging title for the book, just even of itself.

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Speaker 1: Rachel Ruth, your mom is speaking here, and I'm saying

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Speaker 1: to myself, I'm hearing my long time pastor, doctor Ray

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Speaker 1: Pritchard's voice in my head because he used to always say,

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Speaker 1: everyone in life is in one of three places. We're

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Speaker 1: smack dab in the middle of a crisis or trial,

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Speaker 1: we are about to enter one, or we've just left one.

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Speaker 1: But in life, it's going to happen, and it's not

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Speaker 1: going to be a very unique thing for people to

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Speaker 1: have trials on a regular basis, so from and describe

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Speaker 1: what she was going through. Let's walk through what you

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Speaker 1: were facing as you were preparing for this message.

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Speaker 12: I've had hard things to kind of my whole life,

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Speaker 12: just different difficult things. But four years ago is when

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Speaker 12: I just really got slammed. I had ended up, long

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Speaker 12: story short, through a terrible stress test that I went

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Speaker 12: in for my heart.

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Speaker 7: I just had like a not a big deal.

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Speaker 12: Thing going on with my heart that I'd had forever

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Speaker 12: and it was nothing. But I went in for.

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Speaker 7: A stress test that went terrible. Like I then ran.

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Speaker 12: It was terrible, and I walked out with all this

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Speaker 12: chest pain and I was crying.

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Speaker 7: I didn't know what was going on, and thought, oh,

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Speaker 7: I must have pulled some muscles.

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Speaker 12: That's where you've run on the treadmill and all this,

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Speaker 12: and and four days later I was like, I think

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Speaker 12: I'm having a heart attack.

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Speaker 7: And I went in and sure.

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Speaker 12: Enough, after they figured it out, it's called I had

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Speaker 12: what it was called spontaneous coronary artery dissection, where the

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Speaker 12: inside of your artery and your heart just shreds.

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Speaker 7: And so the first one.

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Speaker 12: You know, was morphine didn't even touch it in the

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Speaker 12: hospital hurt so bad, and they were like, well, it'll

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Speaker 12: just heal.

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Speaker 7: It's too far down in your heart.

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Speaker 12: To get a stent into it. And that's the way

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Speaker 12: the Lord would have it. He was so sovereign. I

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Speaker 12: stayed over that night and the next day had a

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Speaker 12: massive scad heart attack and my other artery where it

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Speaker 12: shredded from top to bottom.

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Speaker 7: And I shouldn't be here.

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Speaker 12: I mean, God literally saved my life just I mean,

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Speaker 12: it's crazy and so but since then, for three years

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Speaker 12: after that, I was in horrible They said it could

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Speaker 12: happen again. You know. I had all these stints from

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Speaker 12: my heart everything, and the pain was horrible. I ended

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Speaker 12: up having blood clots in my lungs, had a mini stroke.

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Speaker 12: I went to the hospital like twelve times thinking I

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Speaker 12: was having another one, and so it was like it

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Speaker 12: was intense. But God was with me through all of it.

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Speaker 12: He spoke to me through his word. He encouraged me.

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Speaker 7: It was the pits. I wouldn't wish it on anybody.

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Speaker 12: But at the same time, God took me to a

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Speaker 12: deep level of just trusting him.

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Speaker 3: Here he is from New York.

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Speaker 7: That's act.

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Speaker 2: Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Kevin McCullough, all right, final few minutes with and Graham

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Speaker 1: Locks and Rachel Ruth Lots, and we're very excited to

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Speaker 1: be announcing their book God Won't Leave You There, Joseph's

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Speaker 1: Story and told me before we went on the on

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Speaker 1: the air that I'm the first one on the tour,

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Speaker 1: so I feel kind of special about all that, and

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Speaker 1: thank you. I want to get into what I think

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Speaker 1: is really the big issue here, and that is that

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Speaker 1: God's in charge and we're not. And sometimes that's interpreted

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Speaker 1: as being unhealthy or harsh or in some way mean.

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Speaker 1: But I think of like Psalm one fifteen three that says,

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Speaker 1: and we know that our God is in heaven and

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Speaker 1: does what pleases him. I think of a back of

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Speaker 1: two three where it says, for the vision is for

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Speaker 1: the appointed time, though it terries wait for it, he

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Speaker 1: will not delay. There's there's all this reminder through scripture

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Speaker 1: and certainly in the life of Joseph, that there that

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Speaker 1: there is someone bigger than us, outside of us, beyond us,

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Speaker 1: that we are accountable to. And I want to go

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Speaker 1: theological on this for a second. It's not wrong to

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Speaker 1: be heartbroken at times. Heartbrokenness is something that happens as

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Speaker 1: a result of sad things happening. But it's when that

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Speaker 1: takes root and becomes bitter, and the bitterness turns into

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Speaker 1: a defiance against the sovereign God that we really end

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Speaker 1: up in trouble. And it's man's inability to admit that

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01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 1: God is in control and that we're not that the

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Speaker 1: disalignment happens. And you're what you're calling people to in

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Speaker 1: this book is to realign themselves with God, realign themselves

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Speaker 1: with his sovereignty, realign themselves with his plan. Talk to

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Speaker 1: us about that important kind of theological concept, because I

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Speaker 1: think that in America especially, it's very easy to think

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Speaker 1: God fits in my pocket, He's happy to have me around.

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Speaker 1: I'm very happy to have him when all things are good.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the God of the Bible.

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Speaker 9: Actually, I don't think we pay much attention whenever.

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Speaker 1: Also very true, and I think.

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Speaker 10: What you've described, Kevin is somebody who does not trust

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Speaker 10: the goodness of God. So God is in control, he

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01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 10: can do whatever he chooses. Yes, that's but God is

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Speaker 10: good and he's faithful, and he's true, and he loves

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Speaker 10: each and every one of us, and he has a

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Speaker 10: plan for our lives of purpose, Jeremiah says, not of evil,

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Speaker 10: but to a purpose to give us a good future,

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Speaker 10: to give us hope. And so I think goes back

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Speaker 10: to the Garden of Eden in Genesis chapter three, when

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Speaker 10: the devil tempted Eve to doubt the goodness of God.

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Speaker 10: You know, that was he holding out on her. He

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Speaker 10: didn't want her to eat from that tree because he

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Speaker 10: didn't want her to have something that really she should

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Speaker 10: have had.

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Speaker 9: And so right at the very outset, she.

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Speaker 10: Was being tempted to doubt God's goodness. And so I

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Speaker 10: think it needs you need to go back to your

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Speaker 10: view of God and who he is. And if I

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Speaker 10: can just tell your listeners, that's whoever you are, God

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Speaker 10: loves you, loves you, and he loves you so much

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Speaker 10: that he actually came to earth. Jesus is the son

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Speaker 10: of God. That doesn't mean God junior. He means God

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Speaker 10: in the human flesh. And he came in the human

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Speaker 10: flesh to down the cross to take away your sin.

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Speaker 10: That if you would put your trust in him, he

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Speaker 10: would forgive you clanse you of your sin, bring you

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Speaker 10: into a right relationship with himself. You open up your heart,

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Speaker 10: you invite him to come in. He comes in in

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Speaker 10: the person of his spirit. He will never leave you

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Speaker 10: and never forsake you. And at that point in time,

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Speaker 10: you become his child, and then he takes responsibility for you.

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Speaker 10: So like when Great Truth was little, you know, if

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Speaker 10: there's a situation where the neighbor's children, I take responsibility

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Speaker 10: for her, and I send the neighbor's children home, And

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Speaker 10: so God takes full responsibility for his own children. And

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Speaker 10: so if you're a child of God, if you've been

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Speaker 10: to the cross, you've confessed your sin, you've turned away

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Speaker 10: from it, invited Christ to be your savior and Lord,

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Speaker 10: and surrendered your life to him. Your life is in

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Speaker 10: his hands, and he's a good God, and he wants

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Speaker 10: the best for you. He wants you to be blessed,

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Speaker 10: and he doesn't want you to miss out on anything.

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Speaker 10: So if you defy him and resist him, at the

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Speaker 10: very least, you're going to experience less than what God

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Speaker 10: wants you to have. So he's a good guy. And

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Speaker 10: I knew that when I was diagnosed. I knew that

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Speaker 10: when I found my husband unresponsive in our pool, and

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Speaker 10: I've known that through rachelous heart attacks, that God is

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Speaker 10: good and we just cling to him and it doesn't.

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Speaker 9: Mean we don't cry. It doesn't mean we don't have

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Speaker 9: a hard time. And I'll tell you something else, Kevin.

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Speaker 10: People who've treated you unjustly, leave it to God, he says,

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Speaker 10: vengeance is mine. I will repay and he's going to

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Speaker 10: sort it out. We can just leave him to deal

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Speaker 10: with those other people, and.

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Speaker 1: He'll do it so much better than we could anyway,

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Speaker 1: So we're.

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Speaker 9: Free to forgive.

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Speaker 1: That's it, Rachel, Ruth. We're running out of time. But

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a chance to really speak

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Speaker 1: to the same people that your mom just did, and

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Speaker 1: that is to if there's someone that you could have,

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Speaker 1: you know, two minutes with and just say, this is

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Speaker 1: what I want you to know about the God that

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Speaker 1: I serve. What is it?

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Speaker 12: He's worth it, and that Jesus will walk you through

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01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 12: the darkest valleys. And you know when Jesus came here,

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Speaker 12: he's the son of God.

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Speaker 7: And he went to the cross.

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Speaker 12: He was beaten, he was had thorns in his head,

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Speaker 12: he was nailed to a cross, and you talk about

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 12: awfulness he went through it. He could have picked a

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Speaker 12: different time, but they didn't do such horrible crucifixions. But

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Speaker 12: that's when he came, and it was for a greater purpose,

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Speaker 12: you know, and it was so that we could have

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Speaker 12: that we can.

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Speaker 7: Go to heaven one day when we die.

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Speaker 12: But whatever we go through, I think the big thing

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Speaker 12: is to put your focus on Jesus. Put your focus

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Speaker 12: on who he is, and look at who he is

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Speaker 12: through the pages of your word, and get into your

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Speaker 12: Bible and fall in love with him while you're going

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Speaker 12: through it.

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Speaker 7: He is the comforter.

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Speaker 12: I could not have survived what I went through, even

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Speaker 12: mentally after being through those horrific heart attacks, for the

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Speaker 12: encouragement Guy gave me through his word, and he would

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Speaker 12: even let me know through scripture that you know I

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Speaker 12: wasn't to go to the hospital that night, you know,

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Speaker 12: when I was going I mean just different. He's so

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Speaker 12: personal and so wonderful and he saw me through. He

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Speaker 12: got me through those hard years, and he will get

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Speaker 12: you through and whatever you're going through and teach you

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Speaker 12: and love you and comfort you while you're going through it.

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Speaker 7: He has a plan for your life. Just hold on.

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Speaker 1: Right now is the chance. Friends, if you know someone

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Speaker 1: going through something, get a copy of this book. God

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Speaker 1: won't leave you there Joseph's story and put it in

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Speaker 1: their hands. But don't just put in their hands and

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Speaker 1: say bye, see you like, get it, read it with them,

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Speaker 1: walk walk it through with them, do what you can

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Speaker 1: to be Jesus with skin onto them in the process

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Speaker 1: of this. And I think that ladies, you've given us

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Speaker 1: a very very precious gift, especially in this Holy Week season.

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Speaker 1: And one last reminder, friends, those of you that are listening,

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Speaker 1: the Cross, so that you can have that personal conversation

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Speaker 1: with them, because you may be introducing someone to Jesus

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Speaker 1: for the first time this Easter. It's going to need

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Speaker 1: him in years to come. And again, the worst day

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Speaker 1: with Jesus far outshines the very best day that you

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Speaker 1: have all alone. And we just want to push you

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Speaker 1: down the path of truth so that you know that

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Speaker 1: for real A Graham Lots, Rachel Ruth Lot's right, thank

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Speaker 1: you for your time and you God bless you. Ken

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Speaker 1: Kevin mccaullough coming back from Times Square. Don't go on, let's.

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Speaker 5: Stick around for more of that. Kevin next, serving it

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Speaker 5: up with a no drink minim. It's that Kevin show.

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Speaker 1: All right, Kevin mccallaugh. Glad to have you Dan with us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, thank you for thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us, for these important conversations this hour. I

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Speaker 1: don't know of a more important thing we could talk about.

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Speaker 1: And on Wednesday sometimes we talk about health. We've never

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Speaker 1: talked about spiritual health, not to the degree that we

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Speaker 1: have this hour. So thank you for being there and

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Speaker 1: thank you for engaging us with it, etc. We end

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Speaker 1: this show with a very sad reality from a family

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Speaker 1: that has been set a major setback in a European

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Speaker 1: court last week. A couple's year long fight to regain

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Speaker 1: custody of their daughters from the Swedish government was dealt

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Speaker 1: a major setback last week after a European court rejected

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Speaker 1: their plea for help get this. The European Court of

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Speaker 1: Human Rights ruled that the case brought by Daniel and

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Speaker 1: Bianca Samson inadmissible on March tenth, a final decision that

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Speaker 1: cannot be appealed. According to Alliance Defending Freedom International, which

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Speaker 1: is supporting the family's legal effort. The children have been

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Speaker 1: separated from their parents since December of twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Alliance Defending Freedom International said the case began after the

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Speaker 1: couple's eldest daughter, Sarah, then eleven, made a false report

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Speaker 1: at school following a fight with her parents over not

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Speaker 1: being allowed to have a smartphone or wear makeup. Oh

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Speaker 1: my goodness, if this is where we go. ADF said

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Speaker 1: the girl quickly retracted the allegation and that prosecutors found

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Speaker 1: no evidence of abuse of any sort, but the Swedish

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Speaker 1: state refused to return the children. According to the legal group,

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Speaker 1: the state cited the family's habit of attending church three

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Speaker 1: times a week and their parenting choices as evidence of

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Speaker 1: religious extremism and justification for keeping the children. The girls

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Speaker 1: have since pleaded with the authorities to be reunited with

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Speaker 1: their parents and have suffered worsening mental and physical health.

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Speaker 1: Their parents reported that both girls attempted suicide while in

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Speaker 1: state care. The parents have completed state mandated parenting courses

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Speaker 1: and were later deemed fit to parent, according to the

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Speaker 1: legal group, but they still have not been reunited with

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Speaker 1: their daughters. They have also allegedly sought to move the

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Speaker 1: girls into foster care in their home country of Romania,

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Speaker 1: but have been denied. The European Court of Human Rights

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Speaker 1: deemed the case inadmissible on the grounds of failure to

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Speaker 1: exhaust legal remedies in Sweden. ADF International said despite the

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Speaker 1: Swedish Supreme Court refusing to hear the family's case in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, we love our children, we trusted Sweden

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Speaker 1: to protect them, and when the truth emerged, we expected

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Speaker 1: our daughters to come home, said Daniel Samson in a statement.

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Speaker 1: Yet they remain away from us and their mental health

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Speaker 1: continues to deteriorate. ADF International told Premier Christian News that

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Speaker 1: social services in Hasselholm are now move moving to permanently

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Speaker 1: sever the family's ties and place the girls for adoption.

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Speaker 1: We deeply regret the court's decision to reject the case,

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Speaker 1: considering that this family has been torn apart for over

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Speaker 1: three years, despite a full investigation that cleared mister and

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Speaker 1: missus Sampson of any abuse, and the fact that the

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Speaker 1: social services certified their capacity and fitness for parenting after

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Speaker 1: they successfully completed official training. That's Guillermo Morale's Sancho, legal

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Speaker 1: counsel for ADF international, families should be free to live

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Speaker 1: according to their convictions and without fear of losing their

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Speaker 1: kids to the state. Sweden's Social services is not responding

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Speaker 1: to Fox News' requests for comment. The European Court of

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Speaker 1: Human Rights told Fox News Digital it considers cases on

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Speaker 1: a case by case basis and does not provide comment

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Speaker 1: on general events or matters. The court also said in

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Speaker 1: a single, single judge declared the case in admissible according

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Speaker 1: to its guidelines. Friends, the daughter told the teacher that

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Speaker 1: her parents were mean to her because she would They

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Speaker 1: wouldn't buy her a smartphone and let her wear lipstick.

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Speaker 1: God's Design is the left's worst nightmare, and going against

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Speaker 1: it is ours. Kevin mccallaugh will see you next time.