1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 2: Build Different is a production of the American Association of 3 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 2: Christian Counselors. To support this podcast and learn how you 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 2: can help us to promote all our biblical content, spread 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: the Gospel, and provide mental health resources and training to 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: people everywhere, just go to Aaccfoundation dot org. Again, that's 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: Aaccfoundation dot org. Welcome to Built Different. I'm Zach Clinton, 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 2: your host, and each week I come to you exclusively 9 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: on the Life Audio podcast Network. I'm proud to partner 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 2: with Life Audio and bring you entertaining, life changing, family 11 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 2: friendly podcasts for a new generation. 12 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 3: I Built Different. 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: Our mission is to provide encouragement, hope and challenge to 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: help push you past your limits and reach goals you 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: never thought possible. Colossians two, verse six says, So then, 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,279 Speaker 2: just as you received Christ Jesus's Lord, continue to live 17 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: your lives in Him, rooted and built up in him. 18 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: Amen. Now let's roll. 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: Hello everybody, Welcome back into the Build Different Podcasts. As always, 20 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 2: I'll be your host today, doctor Zach Clinton, joined by 21 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: my old man, doctor Tim Clinton, sitting over there in 22 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: the far seat, President of the AACC, Director of the 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: Global Center for Human Flourishing at Liberty University, my best friend. 24 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 4: Grateful that you're here with me. Popla Still okay, I 25 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 4: can still bring it. 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 3: He can still bring it. 27 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: Hey, and we're sitting backstage at our second Extraordinary Women 28 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: event of this spring tour. And it's the besides Still 29 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 2: Waters Tour. God's doing something specially. He did something specially 30 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: in Jacksonville. Now we're here in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Eight thousand women, 31 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 2: sold out crowd at the Navy Center, joined by an 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: extraordinary man himself, Kirk Cameron. 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: Sitting next to us. 34 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: And I tell you what, We're so grateful for Kirk, 35 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: the voice that God has given him in culture and 36 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: society today. He is an actor, he's a producer, he's 37 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 2: an author, he's a speaker, he is a conservative activist 38 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: and somebody again that God is using in powerful words. 39 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 2: Today we're going to talk a lot about the indoctrination 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 2: that has happened around the educational system, across media platforms 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: and more. But also his book Born to Be Brave, 42 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: How to be a part of America's spiritual comeback. 43 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: Kirk, our friend, Thank you so much for joining. 44 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: Us, my pleasure, thank you for having me on. Can 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: you repeat all of that that's right. Come on, you 46 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: just you just downloaded so much for us that I'm 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: impressed and I'm so honored to be here with you. 48 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: Thank you for having and I'm excited to get out 49 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: there and be able to share a message about Psalm 50 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 1: twenty three. It's going to be a lead just besides 51 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: still Waters. 52 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 3: That's right. 53 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 2: I wanted to go there, Kirk, because again, eight thousand women. 54 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: For some men, that might be intimidating, but I think 55 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: this is just the truth for a lot of the 56 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 2: Mama Bears and the women out there. You're a hero 57 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 2: because you're somebody who has stood in the gap and 58 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: has spoken up and really spoken on their behalf, fighting 59 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: back against culture for faith and for family. Speak to 60 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: us just a little bit about what is the message 61 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: that God is placed on your hear tonight. 62 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: Well, I think in this season of my life as 63 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: a grand Yeah, which is crazy to say, you a grandpa, 64 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: Ye I am. So when you first become a grandpa, 65 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: you're like, wait a minute, I'm way too young to 66 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: be a grandpa. And then you start leaning into it, 67 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: you know, I grow out the beard and you start 68 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: to say, you know, I'm like I'm a I'm like 69 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: a fine wine. I just get better with age. You 70 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: start saying stuff like this to really embrace this season. 71 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: But it is wonderful, and I think the message that 72 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: is on my mind these days is that everything God 73 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: says in his book is really true. The big problem 74 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 1: is not that God is not showing up, or that 75 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: he's on coffee break, or that this is just a 76 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: fairy tale that sounds nice, and it's these verses in 77 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: scripture are nice in calligraphy on our walls to make 78 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: us feel good in the morning, but that there's power 79 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: and there is faithfulness in God. And the trouble is, 80 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: I think we often just don't believe eve the simple 81 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: things we read in scripture, because if we did, I 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: think it would change the way that we think, which 83 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: would in turn change the way that we act, the 84 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: decisions that we make, and our hearts would be filled 85 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: with joy and gratitude, courage, willing to sacrifice and make 86 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: the hard choices in a culture that is looking to 87 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: destroy all of this. And I'm kind of just getting 88 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: there at fifty five years old. I think in the 89 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: younger days, I'm trying to prove myself. I'm trying to 90 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 1: make you think I'm awesome. I'm trying to make you. 91 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 1: You know, Leonardo DiCaprio remember that he got his start 92 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: on growing pains, right, and then later on it's like, 93 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: you know what, Gosh, it's really not about all that stuff, 94 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: because it comes and it goes, and we trip and 95 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: we fall, we fail, But there's always one who knows us, 96 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: who loves us, whose kingdom will last forever. Mine won't. 97 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: And I want to be part of that glory train 98 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: that is just bringing everything true and beautiful and good. 99 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: And I want to help my children and grandchildren launch 100 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: and establish and lock in to the kingdom. So that's 101 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: that's where I'm at now. 102 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, two verses that popped into my mind, Luke one 103 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 2: forty five. Blessed is she who has believed that he 104 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,840 Speaker 2: would fulfill his promises to her, that idea of clinging 105 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,359 Speaker 2: to God's promises in the midst of life's processes. But 106 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: then also one Tessalonians four eleven, as you're talking about 107 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,279 Speaker 2: like legacy in this new season of life, that we 108 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 2: can make it our aim or ambition to live or 109 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: to lead the quiet life, right, It's not about living 110 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 2: the famous life, proving yourself it's about living the faithful one. 111 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 2: I wanted to chat just fun, real quick before I 112 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 2: pass it off to Dad. 113 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: I know several months ago, last. 114 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 2: April, now, you guys were releasing a new children's television 115 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: show that's family friendly, faith Forward, and it was a 116 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 2: killer season one eight episodes, The Adventures of Iggy and 117 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 2: Mister Kirk. But you guys just renewed for season two, 118 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: and you just mentioned that you were shooting and recording 119 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 2: for season three. Talk about what has God done and 120 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: through that. 121 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: Showkirk, Well, it was originally called Adventures with Iggy and 122 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: Mister Kirk. They shortened it up to make it just 123 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: a little a little catchier. And this is the overflow 124 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: of a controversial tour we did at public libraries a 125 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: few years ago, where I was mixing it up with 126 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: the drag queens. At the public libraries, they were, you know, 127 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: dudes and dresses and fishnet stockings, showing up reading inappropriate 128 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: books to children about gender queer theory and other things. 129 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: And I showed up wanting to read about faith, hope 130 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: and love biblical values to toddlers, and those libraries shut 131 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: me down after saying yes and throwing the doors wide yes, yes, unbelievable. 132 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: So that actually kind of launched this movement that became 133 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 1: known as see You at the Library. And so we've 134 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: had thousands of public libraries participating with parents and pastors 135 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: and teachers, grandparents showing up reading books of virtue at 136 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: public libraries. That then gave us the idea that since 137 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: kids spend more time on screens than they do reading books, 138 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: like ten hours a day, twelve hours a day, let's 139 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 1: make a television show that will teach them the same 140 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: values and get those into their heart via media. And 141 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: so we started the new Mister Rogers so to speak. 142 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: That's what we heard crying out from moms and dads. 143 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: Where's mister Rogers when we need them? We got, you know, 144 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: we got SpongeBob, and now we've got Coco Melon, and 145 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: we got Miss Rachel and they're talking to about trains 146 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: and our kids. We got gay dinosaurs and all these 147 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: other things going on, and where's Where's Fred Rogers, the 148 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: Presbyterian minister who would talk to kids about the hard things, 149 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: the difficult things, the struggles and listen to them and care. 150 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: And we thought, let's make it so I'm I'm raising 151 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: not Kermit the frog. But my little green iguana who's 152 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: five years old named Iggy in my backyard treehouse with 153 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: my wife and daughter, and he's got a whole colorful 154 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: cast of animal friends that live in the forest around 155 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: the treehouse. There's Sydney the rabbit, and there's Carlos the squirrel. 156 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: But there's also a vulture named Culture, a vulture named culture, right, 157 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: think about it, who's always deceiving Iggy lying to him 158 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: about what's right and what's wrong. He calls evil good, 159 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: and he calls good evil, and so Iggy has to 160 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: rely on his parents' wisdom, and he has access to 161 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: a non woke chat GPT, a based supercomputer that is 162 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: always going to point him to the biblical answers to questions, 163 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: and so I love it. We talk about identity from 164 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: God's perspective, purpose teaching kids how to pray, talking to 165 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: five year olds about their identity, talking with them about 166 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: the sanctity of life on a level that they can understand, 167 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: and kids can talk. I'm sorry parents will be able 168 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: to have those conversations with their kids about the topics. 169 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: So we filmed two seasons, are about to shoot three 170 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: season three. 171 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 4: Congratulations kirk As a part of this journey. You step 172 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 4: back and you begin to look at educational systems that 173 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: have changed so much. It's not so much about education 174 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 4: anymore as it is indoctrination. It's like handing your kids 175 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 4: over and letting them be subject to. 176 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: All this insanity. 177 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 4: You know, I want to go back to your statement 178 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 4: about being a grandfather. There's something about getting older that 179 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: brings a clarity to life. You just begin to look 180 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 4: at everything a little differently, Like our granddaughters, Sophia and Olivia. 181 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 4: You know, I look at them, I look at them differently. 182 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 4: It's fascinating to watch development a second second time around. 183 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 4: You see these kids growing up, and you're thinking about 184 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 4: what you did as a parent earlier and how and 185 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 4: what they are exposed to, and you know this attunement 186 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 4: needs to happen. You've got to be attuned to them individually. 187 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 4: They love uniquely, and that there are precious souls that 188 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 4: need to be poured into. Then you begin to realize 189 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 4: that we've got a culture, okay, in the middle of 190 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 4: all this thing that is just bombarding them. And I 191 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 4: think about their phones. Zach and I talk about their phones. 192 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 4: We talk about porn, and we talk about the pressure 193 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: that they're under. And when you look at that phone, 194 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 4: you begin to realize if you go back to Jonathan 195 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 4: Eate's book on the Anxious Generation, when they hit puberty, 196 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 4: right in that early part, especially girls, they're spending out 197 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 4: big time because they're starting to compare themselves. They're seeing 198 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 4: all kinds and the algorithms are targeting our kids and 199 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 4: so much more. Take us to a conversation about down 200 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: it back, talking about family, and you talk about values 201 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 4: and the significance of faith. Connect these links up for 202 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 4: us in a passionate way, because I know as I'm 203 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 4: watching you, I'm watching you kind of build momentum toward 204 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 4: a real posture of let's bring it back and by 205 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 4: the way, let's be firm and where we're at, we 206 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 4: need to foundation. 207 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 2: I'm gonna stop this right there and jump into say 208 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: you're listening to build different I'm Zach Clinton. We need 209 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: to break for a brief message from our sponsors. I'll 210 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 2: be back with our guests to keep the conversation flowing. 211 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 2: Right after this, you're listening to life audio. 212 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I love, I love. I want to just 213 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: pick up what you're throwing down here because I'm all 214 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: about this idea of reforming marriages that are broken, resurrecting 215 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: a culture that has that has apparently died to the 216 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: things that made us flourish in the beginning. And I'm 217 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: all about a big, great awakening happening in our country. 218 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: I'd love to see it happen all over the world. 219 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: But I've been studying a lot on revivals, and it 220 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: always starts with an individual or a couple of people, 221 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: a small group, who start out on their knees praying. 222 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: It could be couple of grandmas in a prayer meeting. 223 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: It could be some kids on a college campus get 224 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, they're they're you know, they're they're praying in 225 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: a lightning storm and lightning comes down and hits the haystack, 226 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: lights it on fire, and they run out and tell 227 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 1: everybody what happened. And and really it it seems to 228 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: always happen. I'm just I'm going to the revival stuff. 229 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: It seems to always happen during times where everyone thinks 230 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: all hope is lost, when morality is in the toilet, 231 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: when spirituality is growing cold. People's hearts seem to have 232 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: turned away from God. Political corruption seems to increase, economic 233 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: collapse seems to fall, and everybody's thinking, oh no, the 234 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: rapture must be coming by Tuesday, because every the wheels 235 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: are coming off. But it's often during those times when 236 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: people say, wait a minute, we've we've gotten away from 237 00:12:55,800 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: the basics. We've we've not been discipling our children. We've 238 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: been letting Siri and Alexa and chat gpt frame their 239 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: worldview and their companion I mean, do you know this. 240 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: Our children view ai bots as more accessible, friendlier, and 241 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: more accepting companions than many of their real friends or 242 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: their parents or grandparents are trusted mentors. And we've got to, 243 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: like you said with your grandkids, kids, you've got to 244 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: be attuned to them and to what's going on so 245 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: they don't wake up one day and go, wait a minute, 246 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: why does my son want to be a girl today? 247 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: I didn't even know this was a thing. I didn't 248 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: And it's like, wait a minute. We've abdicated our role 249 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 1: in this culture. And I'm not saying that that parents 250 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: don't love their kids, but we're allowing other people to 251 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: tell us how to raise our kids is rather than 252 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: allowing the word of God to instruct us on these things. 253 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: We're so consumed with finding ourselves that we miss who 254 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 1: God has made us to be and what our primary 255 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: ministries and objectives ought to be. The whole, I think 256 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: the whole Rainbow religion, if I could put it that way, 257 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: seems to be a result of people confusing appetites with identity. 258 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: And when we do that and we lose the ability 259 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: to distinguish and discern between healthy appetites and unhealthy appetites, 260 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: and then we call that our identity. When we try 261 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: then to suggest restraining certain desires, we see it as 262 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: self denial, and all of a sudden, we've lost who 263 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: we are. We don't know where we're going, we don't 264 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: know where we've come from, and we look at the 265 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: culture as being against us, when I think the culture 266 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 1: was something we were supposed to create for the flourishing 267 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: of the family, for the blessing of all people as 268 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: we advance God's principles here on Earth. So that's what 269 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: I wrote my book about. That's what I want to 270 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: talk about tonight, is heavenizing Earth through the strategic plan 271 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: of self government, family, generational transfer, heart to heart life 272 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: and multigeneration, multi generational flow. 273 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 4: Your new book, Born to Be brave how to be 274 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 4: a part of America's spiritual comeback, Kurt in that you 275 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 4: talked about a revival, and people are talking a lot 276 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 4: about how Bible sales are going up, and men in 277 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: particular seem to young men seem to be coming back 278 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 4: to the church or to faith. In the midst of it, 279 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 4: I mean, we're seeing like what we're seeing tonight happen 280 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 4: places packed out. I mean there's energy, there's a lot 281 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 4: of energy, and what's happening on college campus is amazing. 282 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: You can't deny it. 283 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: Something's going on. Yeah, Barnup says though, but we need 284 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,880 Speaker 4: to make sure that a biblical worldview is that the 285 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 4: anchor of all this, You know that, because you're gonna 286 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: have a lot of. 287 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: Energy and no outcome. 288 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 1: Yes, that's right, that's right. You talk about. 289 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 4: Bringing the family back to center, talk to us about 290 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,239 Speaker 4: and start there on this quote comeback. 291 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: What does it look like? 292 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 1: What do we need to begin doing? Yeah, well, if 293 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: we want, if we haven't just thrown in the towel 294 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: and given up on the future for our children, if 295 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: we're not just saying, hey, kids, it's only going to 296 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: get worse. Sorry, I wish you grew up in the 297 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: eighties like I did, because that was fun. But it's 298 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 1: only getting worse if we're not going to go there 299 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: and we're going to say we want to turn the 300 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: culture around and we want to see a bright future 301 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: full of hope for our children. I think we can't 302 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: start with if only I could get this guy elected 303 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: as president, or if only you know, we had more 304 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: Bible studies, or more worship services or more whatever. It's 305 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: got to come down to, like the old strategy that 306 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 1: has always worked for all time, and that is an 307 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: inside out strategy. It's got to start with a man, 308 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: a woman and their God getting on their knees in humility, 309 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: repentance and faith and saying, Oh God, forgive me of 310 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: my sin, change my heart, make me a servant, servant, 311 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: show me how to walk in your ways, and if 312 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: I can live my life following you know, my shepherd, 313 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: knowing that because of him I have all that I need. Now, 314 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: I'm not looking to my wife to meet all of 315 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: my needs. I'm not looking for my job to validate 316 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 1: me and give me my sense of worth. And I 317 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: can be a blessing to my wife and to my 318 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: children if we can heavenize our marriage, and we can 319 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: raise a family, and we can join with other families 320 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 1: who are doing that. We can experience a local revival 321 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: right in our church and in our community. And when 322 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: multiple communities begin to catch that fire, it could and 323 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: it has and it will spread. I believe, like a 324 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 1: California wildfire and be zero percent contained, nothing can quench it, 325 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 1: and it spreads across the whole country. Wouldn't that be 326 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: the coolest rush fire we ever saw? Yes, and it's 327 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 1: happened before. We've had great awakenings in this country. How 328 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 1: about a third. 329 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,920 Speaker 4: You know, there's kind of a soft underbelly though piece 330 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: here that is confusing the church, and that is we 331 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 4: just want to love everybody. 332 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 3: You get what I'm saying. 333 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 4: I don't want to offend. 334 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 3: Anybody weaponizing empathy. 335 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, And in the midst of it, it's like people go, 336 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: I'll call it soft, they get soft in their approach 337 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 4: to truth. 338 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, you go back to. 339 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 4: The words of John. I have no greater joy than 340 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 4: to know my children walk in the truth, or to 341 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 4: speak the truth and love speaking truth. Really, I'm going 342 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: to come back to biblical principles. Yeah, following wholeheartedly after 343 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 4: the things of God. Some dots for us here, Kirk, 344 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 4: because this is a challenging piece inside of the faith journey, 345 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 4: especially right now in this culture, because you got this 346 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 4: radical left ideology and this progressive right piece that comes 347 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 4: in and they brand people who want to quote follow 348 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 4: the Bible as maybe a Christian nationalist or whatever you're saying. 349 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 4: They're throwing terms around, trying to broads polticians. 350 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: You were just telling me about which I haven't been 351 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: keeping up on. 352 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: Oh. 353 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 4: At the end of the day, what it does is 354 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 4: dilutes and it really is meant to divide, you know that, 355 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 4: and confuse the message of scripture. And I know people 356 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 4: throw on terms like political biblical following after the whole 357 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 4: Council of God? 358 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 3: What does that look like? 359 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 4: And how do we shepherd and direct our family not 360 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 4: drifting into legalism and insanity and religious No, no, no, 361 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: the Lord loves righteousness. We believe that we're there. What 362 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 4: does it mean to move into a meaningful relationship with 363 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 4: Christ so that Paul you can echose words of Paul 364 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 4: and first Greens gets a level one be followers of 365 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 4: me as I also am of Christ. What does that 366 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 4: look like? Well, that's a great question. 367 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: I you know, it's it's it's like you're you know, 368 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: you're you're digging down into my soul now, Tim asking 369 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: me to to pull up deep things. Hold on, I'm 370 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:27,000 Speaker 1: pulling it up. 371 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 3: There we go, There we go. 372 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 4: No, shock, don't no, don't hold it tight. 373 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: This one's fighting. He doesn't want to come up. What 374 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: what what does it look like? What? 375 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 4: I guess? How do you want to live? I mean 376 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 4: when when? When with your family? How do you want 377 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: your family. 378 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 3: To look at you? 379 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 4: I don't say about dad, about Grandpa, Papa, whatever you 380 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 4: go by? 381 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Chief, I like Chief, Chief, come on, Chief 382 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,160 Speaker 2: is and I like that. 383 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,399 Speaker 1: I you know, I just moved to Tennessee and they 384 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: got some they got some weird grandpa names down there, Pee, Paul, Papaul. 385 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 386 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 4: And I was I'm not everybody leaving California going to Nashville. 387 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. And I just I couldn't do people. I mean, 388 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,440 Speaker 1: that's just too crassy. And so I'm going with Chief. 389 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: Like my son in law is not that crazy about. 390 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 2: Her, you know, because he's got to go. 391 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: So I'm kind of big dogging in with the grandpa thing. 392 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 3: Chief. 393 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: I could have gone with Boss, but I figured he 394 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:47,600 Speaker 1: wouldn't appreciate that I have a pastor friend who he 395 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,639 Speaker 1: said in a sermon one time, if you have one 396 00:21:51,880 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: biblical friend, you are very blessed, he said. I don't 397 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: mean just friends. You may have good friends, you may 398 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: have you may have lots of friends, lots of people 399 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: who you you know, you say are your friend. But 400 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 1: I would wager that most of you don't even have 401 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: one biblical friend. Somebody who will always speak the truth 402 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: to you in love, somebody who you can trust wholeheartedly 403 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,639 Speaker 1: to not They're not going to betray you, They're not 404 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: going to leverage you, they're not going to do something 405 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: that you that they wouldn't want done to them. There 406 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: is just confidence and security there with that person. And 407 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: they will point you to your only hope and you will. 408 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: They will remind you that that they can't fix you. 409 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: You can't fix you. Only God fixes you. And they 410 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 1: will point you to your hope and they'll walk through 411 00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: the trials with you. And I think God's That's who 412 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: could I say I have that in my life? I 413 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: can think of all my friends. I'm like that, that's 414 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: that's next level. Like I don't really they don't check 415 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: all those boxes, and I would say, I think, I 416 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: think my wife and I are now being able to 417 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: check those boxes because we've been through some things and 418 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: those have been very difficult but necessary. I've I've and 419 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: I think I've got one one wise old owl guy 420 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: in my life, and he's an older man who lost 421 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 1: his wife, and I just I'm so thankful for him. 422 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: And I would like, I think, to be that kind 423 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: of person in somebody's life. I would love for it 424 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,439 Speaker 1: to be all of my kids, or maybe even just 425 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: one of my kids. You know, we don't all we don't. 426 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: At least I don't have the same relationship with all 427 00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: six of my kids, and with some I could maybe 428 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 1: shares things that with others may land differently. And I've 429 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: got adopted kids and natural born kids and boys and 430 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: girls and all kinds of things. And so I just think, like, 431 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I want to be 432 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: authentically loyal to Christ and not just in what I 433 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: say because it's easy. We can all get up on 434 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: this stage and we can we can, you know, say 435 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: say the phrases and sound really good. We practice it, 436 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 1: especially actors. You know, we do this for a living. 437 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: We make a living by playing make believe. But when 438 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: nobody's watching and the people who know you best and 439 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: God himself, you know, I want to I want him 440 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: to say, there's there's a man after my own heart. 441 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: Not perfect, but he's he understands and he's he's committed. 442 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, Kirk, why we love and appreciate you 443 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: so much and why so many people you again as 444 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 2: somebody who's just on the front lines fighting on their 445 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 2: behalf is because you're real and because you're authentic, and 446 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,119 Speaker 2: that's the idea of man. I want to I just 447 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: want to fight that good fight of faith. I want 448 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: to be that faithful friend for somebody. And fine, just 449 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: a few faithful friends, not millions of followers or fanfare, 450 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,800 Speaker 2: just some friends. And what I love about even just 451 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 2: the subtitle of your book, how to be a part. 452 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 3: Of America's spiritual comeback. 453 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of Christians, there's a lot 454 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 2: of parents who live on the sidelines of life. And 455 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:35,320 Speaker 2: I'll say this, if all you do is point out 456 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 2: the problem, you're a part of the problem. Yeah, you 457 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,239 Speaker 2: have to start being a part of the solution. And 458 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 2: you talk a lot about in a culture that focuses 459 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 2: and emphasizes on absorption. It's all that we see, we're 460 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 2: constantly consuming a consumer culture. When will we start taking 461 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: action within the home? And I'm interested, you know, my 462 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: wife and I were starting to have those conversations about 463 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 2: having kids of our own. I'm thinking about families that 464 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: are out there listening today, parents that are terrified of rape, 465 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: raising their young kids in this new digital age and 466 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 2: digital era. 467 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't blame them. 468 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you or what are some practical things 469 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: that maybe you guys have done, you and your wife 470 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 2: in raising your own kids and now being grandparents, that 471 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: could be things we could begin to implement to that 472 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 2: way make sure that we're raising again a faithful family. 473 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Isn't it interesting that Jen Alfa gen Z they're 474 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: interested in stuff like LP records and analog stuff rather 475 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: than digital stuff. But I remember, do you remember when 476 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: when when like, we had laser discs that we thought 477 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: was awesome, these giant laser discs we watch a movie on. 478 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: And then then we got these DVDs, and then all 479 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: of a sudden you had I mean CDs, and then 480 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: then it went to you know, these these little MP 481 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 1: four files and and MP three files and now we're 482 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: streaming stuff and we don't. We don't have physical stuff anymore, 483 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 1: and they're finding that mental health and just healthy child 484 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: rearing techniques. It's all going back to the analog stuff. 485 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: It's not sit in front of this thing all day 486 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,439 Speaker 1: long with all this tech stuff that we do and 487 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: all of these pills and all this stuff to fix 488 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: your kids of all their problems. It's like, go outside, 489 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: get some sunshine, Let your kids spend some time in nature, 490 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: have some chickens in the backyard, watch them lay an egg, 491 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: teach them how to grow a tomatoes, and then bring 492 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: it into the house. And it's like you're going back 493 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: and doing the old fashioned stuff again. That turns out 494 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: to be the healthiest all along. And I think it's 495 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: funny how the old becomes new again. And it just 496 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: seems to me like it's always been the case where 497 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: our technology has always out passed our has always outpaced 498 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: our morality. Our ability to do stuff is moving way 499 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: beyond our ability to manage this stuff that we make, 500 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: whether it's you know, we're not cloning people and we're 501 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: like picking out green eyes and six foot tall and right, 502 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: or we got designer kids. Now we don't even know 503 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: how to choose good from good from bad or true 504 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: from error. We're calling evil good and good evil. We've 505 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: got to go back to the basics. And so I'm 506 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: so thankful and so proud of parents who are latching 507 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: onto a home education model rather than just turning the 508 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: education thing over to the government or to And you know, 509 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,440 Speaker 1: when I went to public school, it wasn't nearly the 510 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: indoctrination machine that it is today. And so at homeschooling 511 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: was sort of the result of that. And COVID did 512 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: us this great, big favor by showing all of these 513 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: parents whose kids were now at home doing school on 514 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: their laptop, what their public school teachers were teaching them 515 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: in the school. And they're like, oh, no, you're not, 516 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: you know, and we're not letting you back into school 517 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: when it opens back up because we want something better 518 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: for you. Now, there are some This is not dogging 519 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: on all public schools or public school teachers. My father's 520 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: a public school teacher. My grandmother and grandfather were publical teachers. 521 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: But it was a different day. You know, they's been 522 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: it's not just been bought. It was the whole point 523 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: from the very beginning, I believe with Horace Mann and 524 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: the whole purpose of public education. Early, early, early on, 525 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: this was something that was rooted and based in the home. 526 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: It was filled with faith. Our very first textbooks were 527 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: like the New England Primer and the Bible. In fact, 528 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: Congress endorsed and highly approved a version of the Bible 529 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: called the the Aitken Bible to be read and distributed 530 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: to all of the children in schools in America so 531 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: that we would be wise and wouldn't fall into the 532 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: trap of you know, top down communism, socialism, the wiles 533 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: of the devil and all of that stuff. So we 534 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: really need to get back to the basics. It's not 535 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: rocket science, but it requires wisdom and we're in short 536 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: supply of that right now in a lot of. 537 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 3: Homes, Yes we are. 538 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: It reminds me. I don't know if you know the 539 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 2: name Ian Simpkins. He's a pastor there in the Nashville 540 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: kind of Franklin, Tennessee area, and he's writing a book currently. 541 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 2: It's an amazing project called Every Table in Altar, and 542 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 2: he talks about the habit of eating together and how 543 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: at the table, right at the table, sixty years ago, 544 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 2: the average family spent ninety minutes a day, eating meals, 545 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: conversing at the table. 546 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: I love it. 547 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: Sixty years later, sixty years later, it's less than twelve minutes, 548 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 2: and I would dare to say, man, it's probably less 549 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 2: than five for some families running up to the room, 550 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: always distracted, preoccupied on our devices. But I mean, Dad 551 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: has done a lot of research in the space of 552 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 2: the family that prays together, the family that plays together, 553 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 2: and then the family that eats it together stays together. 554 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 2: These are healthy habits. These are the basics. 555 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,760 Speaker 4: And it's not about food, no, no, it's the relationship piece. 556 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: Sometimes steak in relationship, but on the top. 557 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 4: Staying there. The whole world of interpersonal neuroscience is showing 558 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 4: us that, for example, relationships can have the same meeting 559 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,880 Speaker 4: effect on the brain is good medicine. 560 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 3: And think of it this way. 561 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 4: Toxic relationships can impact the brain like bad medicine. 562 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: I believe it. 563 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 4: If you're in this insanity of this brokenness, that's decimation 564 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 4: of the family. 565 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: We all see it. 566 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 4: We've got to get back to that connectedness piece, which 567 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 4: is really the issue this way too vertically with God, 568 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 4: it's not about religious behavior, it's about a relationship with 569 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 4: a God who loves you, And do you know that 570 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 4: God loves you? Does that spur you then into what 571 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 4: chasing after him? It's like David and someone thirty nine. 572 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 4: Search meil God, try me and see if there be 573 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 4: any wicked way in me, and lead me in the 574 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 4: way everlasting. When you get in the presence of someone 575 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 4: who loves you, who's there for you, that's radically altering. 576 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 4: We know now that the quality of your relationship with 577 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 4: your son or daughter even impacts the effectiveness of your 578 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 4: discipline strategies. 579 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: Yes, oh yes, So. 580 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 4: When you dial all this stuff up, you begin to say, hey, 581 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 4: wait a second, you know what, And I think that's 582 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 4: the message tonight. There are a lot of Mama bears 583 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 4: out there who recognize this, and they're fighting for their 584 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 4: families because this culture has sucked everything out of them 585 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 4: and their marriages and more, and they're crying out to 586 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:54,400 Speaker 4: God to see them and help deliver them in this place. 587 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 4: Kurt relationship, then I know we're fighting him in here. 588 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean, it would seem to me that 589 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 4: that's kind of the message of what you're saying about 590 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 4: this spiritual comeback. You know that we've got something we 591 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 4: have to do. And by the way, you're not that 592 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 4: good alone. We're all better together if we could press in. 593 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 4: I think something happened when Charlie Kirk got assassinated. Kirk 594 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 4: that changed a dynamic for a moment, because I think 595 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 4: people were so stunned and so shocked that our culture 596 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 4: is so depraved and so broken. You know that, And 597 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 4: it was just like in the spiritual surge. But in 598 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 4: the midst of. 599 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: It, what will we do? 600 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 3: What will we do? 601 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 4: You talk about a plan, you talk about the comeback, 602 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 4: and are you believing in it? Obviously you wrote a 603 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 4: book for it, but I mean in your heart, are 604 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 4: you really believing? What's it going to take in the pulpit, 605 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 4: in the churches, in the communities and the families of. 606 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: Our Country's going to take faithfulness and courage, and and 607 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,920 Speaker 1: and and believing in the faithfulness of God and in 608 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: the truth of His word, the victory of Christ over sin, 609 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: over my sin, over your sin. And it's like it's 610 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: a ripple effect. It's like dropping that pebble in in 611 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,720 Speaker 1: the middle of the that lake and where's the ripples 612 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: go out and they can reach every every inch of 613 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,879 Speaker 1: that shoreline. I really believe that you just said something. 614 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember what we were talking about, Charlie Kirk. 615 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: I remember where I was. You probably remember you when 616 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: you first heard it driving to Yosemite with my with 617 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 1: my wife and and someone texted me Charlotte to pray 618 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: for Charlie. He's been shot. I was just like, what 619 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like a lot of us, you know, 620 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,120 Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of us knew Charlie, and 621 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,839 Speaker 1: so it was like, what's what's going on? So we're 622 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,279 Speaker 1: just immediately we're praying. But remember this was on the 623 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: heels of James Dobbs dying, of John MacArthur dying, of 624 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: other guys that I love and respect, Phil Robertson, Hey dying, 625 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: Okay Arthur? And who am I just thinking of vote 626 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: Bacham This all happened in twenty twenty five, Yeah, right, 627 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: what a year? What a what a loss for us? 628 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:30,520 Speaker 1: I mean, these were generals in the Kingdom to me 629 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: at least, and they were so impactful. These were my heroes, 630 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: And I think, what a gain for heaven? And it 631 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: forces you to ask yourself the question, do you believe 632 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 1: that God is sovereign? Do you believe that he is good? 633 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: And he is in control. Because if he is, then 634 00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: stand up, sir, lean in, lock it down. You've got 635 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 1: a role to play for your children, for your spouse, 636 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: for your friends, for the family of faith. Lock in 637 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: and play your role the way Charlie did. Be faithful, 638 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: like MacArthur was, or Vote was or Dobson was. God 639 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: placed them on the stage of his world at that 640 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: time to do their thing, and it transferred. It flowed 641 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: from their life to your life. Now it's time for 642 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: us to pass the baton and have it flow from 643 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: us to them. We cannot falter, we cannot drop the baton. 644 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: There's too much at stake, and God is faithful, and 645 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: I don't believe that we will. 646 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, it really begs the question, Pam. If the foundations 647 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 4: be destroyed, what can what will the righteous do? 648 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 3: So this is a moment, it really is. 649 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 2: That's right, you know, Billy Graham put it this way. 650 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: You brought up the word courage. That courage is contagious. 651 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 2: It's amazing when a brave man takes a stand that 652 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,200 Speaker 2: the spines of others are often stiffened. And when I 653 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 2: think of you, Kirk, I think of the word legacy 654 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 2: comes to mind. A legacy that lasts. Dad has taught 655 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,680 Speaker 2: me throughout my entire life that legacy isn't something to 656 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 2: lead behind for someone, it's something to lead behind in someone. 657 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 2: And that's why courage is so contagious and so, Kirk, 658 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 2: what I want to ask is we kind of wrap 659 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 2: up as you're a man of courage, as you're a 660 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 2: man fighting on the front lines for faith, for families, 661 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,759 Speaker 2: for the foundation of what this country and what this 662 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: land was always meant to be built upon. I want 663 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 2: to just conclude by asking, how can we how can 664 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 2: our audience members be praying for you in this fight 665 00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: in the longest journey. 666 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:52,160 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I'm always praying primarily for my kids. 667 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,719 Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but that's always at the 668 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: top of my list. Is my kid idea? 669 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 4: You bet it is. 670 00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. That's always going to got to be 671 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 1: my first ministry to my wife and to my children. 672 00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 1: So I pray for that if you would, And then 673 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm praying, and I would love for more to pray 674 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: that the church would would get a hold and rediscover 675 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: a vision of victory, not just for your personal life 676 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: for the few short years that you're here, but a 677 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 1: vision of victory for the family of faith, leading a 678 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: revival of the culture for our children and our grandchildren, 679 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:44,560 Speaker 1: and then draw down on that second birth bravery and 680 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: apply everything that we say that we believe. I just 681 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: think we'd be blown away at what would happen. 682 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, and Kirk, let me ask you this one final question. 683 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,480 Speaker 2: Where can our audience members go to find out more 684 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 2: about you, but also to pick up a copy of 685 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 2: your book Born to Be Braved New be part of 686 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: America's spiritual comeback. 687 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: You could get it wherever you want to get it Amazon, 688 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: you could get it at Brave Books. They partnered with 689 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: me to publish that. It's called Born to Be Brave. 690 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: And I would say, just just go to Amazon and 691 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:14,880 Speaker 1: get it. 692 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 3: Yes, Indeed, Kurt Cameron, my friend, again, thank you so 693 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 3: much for joining us. 694 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 2: Sure, thank you to all of our bild different audience. 695 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 2: I just wanted to say thank you so much for 696 00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,160 Speaker 2: tuning in, Thank you for your time. I hope and 697 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,160 Speaker 2: pray that you were as encouraged by today's conversation as 698 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 2: we were. Again, God is doing something. There's a stirring, 699 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,480 Speaker 2: there is a thirst for true there's a hunger for 700 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 2: holiness in our land. 701 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 3: Don't just be on the sidelines. Get in the game. 702 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 2: Be a part of what God is doing. Thank you 703 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 2: for joining us. We love being a part of your life.