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Speaker 3: Here com very glad to have you on a Friday.

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Speaker 3: assuming that you know that you are. Now that's a

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Speaker 3: a very special event coming up in February. That's all

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Speaker 3: straight ahead, plus the weekending edition of How Do We Live?

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Speaker 3: Reason I ask this because there are a few doctrines

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Speaker 3: It is sobering, it is severe, and hear me, hear

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Speaker 3: There is a real Hell, and it really does exist

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Speaker 3: But I consider it firm correction. This is not a

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Speaker 3: it is precisely why the Gospel is such astonishingly good news.

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Speaker 3: Come on, Kirk, do better. I know you can't. Kevin

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Speaker 3: Appreciate all that you've done. Thank you, Kevin, great honor

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Speaker 3: It's called Behold the Lamb, and it's to Keep Believing

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Speaker 2: He is from New York, That Kevin Kevin McCulloch.

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Speaker 2: Here he is from New York. Kevin Kevin McCullough.

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome back. It's that Kevin show, that kevinshow

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Speaker 3: dot com for all things related and if you happen

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Speaker 3: to be in the New York area in February, we

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Speaker 3: have an event particularly for those of you that are

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Speaker 3: female by persuasion, and I'm assuming that you're the kind

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Speaker 3: of women that don't have confusion about what a woman is.

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Speaker 3: If you have confusion about what a woman is, maybe

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Speaker 3: you need a different kind of conference. But this is

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Speaker 3: the kind of conference where all women are encouraged to

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Speaker 3: come together and it's going to happen in the first

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Speaker 3: week of February, February seventh, actually between Salem Media of

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Speaker 3: New York and the Christian Cultural Center which is one

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Speaker 3: of our larger churches in the area, and one of

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Speaker 3: the speakers that are going to be with us that

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Speaker 3: day is Ashery chu Chu, who joins us now and Asherita,

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you you coming on. The theme of this

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Speaker 3: conference is an interesting one. It's titled simply enough, and

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Speaker 3: I've heard that word used by my mom, and my

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Speaker 3: bride and my daughter in so many different contexts because

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Speaker 3: it could be enough, or it could be enough, or

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Speaker 3: it could it could take on any number of kind

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Speaker 3: of connotations in the tone in which we use it.

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Speaker 3: But you're coming in to focus us on our focus

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Speaker 3: those in attendance. I am not a woman, I'm not

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Speaker 3: confused about this, but those that are in attendance, You're

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Speaker 3: you're going to focus in on some practical aspects of it.

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Speaker 3: First of all, welcome to the New York area. And

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Speaker 3: why is this important to you what you're going to

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Speaker 3: talk about?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Kevin, thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 8: I mean, this is so near and dear to my

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Speaker 8: heart because I grew up in a Christian family and

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Speaker 8: I had this idea that daily quiet time, daily time

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Speaker 8: with Jesus like it has to be, it has to

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Speaker 8: look a certain way. It has to last a certain

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Speaker 8: amount of time, ideally about an hour first thing in

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Speaker 8: the morning, with a cup of coffee in a quiet house.

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Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I don't because I've never lived in a house like that.

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Speaker 8: Oh, I mean there's an ideal.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I would love to have a house like that,

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Speaker 3: but that is not my house.

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Speaker 8: And it's not mine either, and I don't think any

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Speaker 8: of us have that ideal scenario. But we strive for that.

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Speaker 8: We think, Oh, when I have that time, then I'll

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Speaker 8: sit down and read my Bible. When I have like

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Speaker 8: a half hour of uninterrupted quiet, then I will sit

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Speaker 8: down and pray. Or maybe it's a season of life,

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Speaker 8: like maybe once the kids are grown up and out

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Speaker 8: relationship with Jesus. Then I'll have time when I'm an

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Speaker 8: empty nester or when I'm retired, or we always push

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Speaker 8: for this ideal, perfect season, time and place, and that's

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Speaker 8: just not anyone's reality. Jesus invites all of us to

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Speaker 8: come to him right where we are, whatever season of

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Speaker 8: life we're in, to come and be with him, and

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Speaker 8: however much time we offer him, if we give it

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Speaker 8: to him from a sincere heart. He can make it

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Speaker 8: more than enough. I love this picture of Jesus taking

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Speaker 8: the bread and the fish from a little boy, and

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Speaker 8: this offering that's given with a sincere heart. He can

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Speaker 8: then multiply it to feed thousands of people. That is

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Speaker 8: the encouragement that an older woman in my church gave

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Speaker 8: me when I was a young mom. Just I was like,

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Speaker 8: I think twenty four and I was like, Carmen, I

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Speaker 8: just I don't have time. I don't have enough time

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Speaker 8: to read my Bible. And she said, Asherida, if two

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Speaker 8: minutes is all you have, give God your two minutes,

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Speaker 8: and the God who multiplied the bread and the fish,

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Speaker 8: he will make it enough.

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Speaker 3: I love the practicality of that. But at the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, I think there is you know, if

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Speaker 3: you were to say that in the con text of

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Speaker 3: and they say, well, I've got two minutes for you

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Speaker 3: at eleven thirty on a Friday, that marriage probably wouldn't

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Speaker 3: sustain very well. So is there ever a balance to

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Speaker 3: just the two or five or ten or fifteen when

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Speaker 3: you have it?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I mean, here's here's what happens, Kevin, is the more

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Speaker 8: time that, the more regularly we carve out those two

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Speaker 8: minutes or five minutes to spend with Jesus, the more

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Speaker 8: he draws her heart to him, the more our resistance

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Speaker 8: to that, or our perceived ideal of what it should

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Speaker 8: look like, falls away, and we realized we have succumbs

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Speaker 8: to legalism. Like I don't need a quiet house. I

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Speaker 8: don't need a perfect cup of coffee. I don't need

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Speaker 8: sixty uninterrupted minutes. What I need is time with Jesus.

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Speaker 8: And often even for me, like I'll still do this,

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Speaker 8: I'll be like, Okay, I only have five minutes. When

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Speaker 8: I get into those five minutes, Kevin, I don't want

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Speaker 8: to leave. So I'm like, the dishes can sit in

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Speaker 8: the stink like that email can get respond to you later.

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Speaker 8: I want more time with Jesus because he draws our

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Speaker 8: hearts to himself. We know from neuroscience this is how

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Speaker 8: habits are formed. You start small, and you link it

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Speaker 8: to something you're already doing, and you build consistency. So

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Speaker 8: that is my heart for women and men, for everyone,

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Speaker 8: that we would make time with Jesus the one thing

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Speaker 8: that we strive for every day, the one thing that

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Speaker 8: we look forward to every day. And if you have

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Speaker 8: to just tell yourself, okay, it's just going to be

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Speaker 8: a little bit. That's a little mental.

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Speaker 3: Trick that's better than none.

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Speaker 8: Get you. Yeah, it'll get you into His presence and

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Speaker 8: He'll multiply that so you won't want to leave. There

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Speaker 8: is such freedom and creativity in our relationship with God.

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Speaker 8: And you brought up so many examples I would say too,

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Speaker 8: like going outside for five minutes first thing in the

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Speaker 8: morning and watching this and come up over the horizon,

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Speaker 8: Like it's scientifically proven to affect our brain's neurochemistry and

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Speaker 8: to improve the feel good hormones in our brain. If

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Speaker 8: you just take five minutes in the morning to look

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Speaker 8: at the sun, come over at the horizon, just Lord

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Speaker 8: saying your mercies are new this morning. Great is your faithfulness,

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Speaker 8: like you said, like walk through the last twenty four

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Speaker 8: hours and give thanks for the gifts of God in

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Speaker 8: your life, the small glimmers of joy that the fingerprints

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Speaker 8: of God all over your life, and your child's hug

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Speaker 8: or in the person who paid for your Starbucks in

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Speaker 8: line ahead of you, or you know, just pause and

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Speaker 8: recognize God's presence with you. And what I love to

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Speaker 8: encourage people to do is you know, we started out

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Speaker 8: by talking about just the two minutes, and it can

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Speaker 8: be enough. But what happens is you link up these

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Speaker 8: tiny habits of being with Jesus in the car, listening

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Speaker 8: to the Word as you if you're a woman, put

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Speaker 8: on makeup, if you're like I don't know, shave like

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Speaker 8: listening to the Word as you're doing that. Replace scrolling

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Speaker 8: on your phone or being on social media first thing

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Speaker 8: in the morning with being in the Word. As we

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Speaker 8: fill our lives with these tiny habits, these small touch

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Speaker 8: points with God, he fills our lives with more of himself.

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Speaker 8: And again, that is enough.

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Speaker 3: It's a given promise. All right, friends, come February seventh

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Speaker 3: in New York. It is all the details were at

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Speaker 3: WMCA dot com. That's my flagship station in New York City.

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Speaker 3: So go to WMC dot com and you can literally

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Speaker 3: come from anywhere in the country. But it's called enough,

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Speaker 3: a conference for all women and Asherita Chu Chu will

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Speaker 3: be one of the great teachers that they've got planned

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Speaker 3: for that day. Ashariah, thanks for spending some time with

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Speaker 3: us today. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Kevin, thank you so much for having me, and I'm

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Speaker 8: super excited about the conference. Can't wait to see so

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Speaker 8: many women there in New York City.

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Speaker 3: Coming right back from Times Square with the way that

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Speaker 3: kevinshow dot com is where you find everything you need.

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Speaker 3: You know, parenting is not easy in today's culture. But

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Speaker 3: got a bunch of good stuff coming your way. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna get into some news at the top of the hour.

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Speaker 3: The Chinese are targeting American and Japanese jets and boats.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? Or we have a war in

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Speaker 3: preparing for a very limited run, just three nights of

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Speaker 3: he'll tell us a little bit more about that. Because

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Speaker 3: now you are going to be able to attend one

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Speaker 3: And the Governor of Minnesota, Tim Waltz, is out there, well,

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Speaker 3: you know, what about Trump? That's literally his response, Well,

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of curious, Tim, Why is he saying it?

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing, And I'd be curious if you

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Speaker 3: some cash. Do you think she should lose her post

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Speaker 3: in Minnesota. I'm just telling you, I think that the

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Speaker 3: All Right, There's another story that I'm concerned about, and

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Speaker 3: reporting a second day have stepped up Chinese military air

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Speaker 3: We will talk with Gordon Chang about all of this

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 2: He is from New York that Kevin Kevin mckella.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to That Kevin Show from Times Square. It's

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Speaker 3: Kevin mckellaugh now in four hundred and seven cities across

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Speaker 3: the country. Thank you for joining us. We're just finishing

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Speaker 3: up our third week, but so excited to be able

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Speaker 3: to be with you in all these new places Monday

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Speaker 3: through Friday from two to four Eastern and in some

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Speaker 3: places well beyond that. My next guest is Gordon Chang.

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Speaker 3: You've seen him on Cable News, Gordon the Sea Chang

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Speaker 3: on Twitter, and it's one of those things where if

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Speaker 3: you're not following him, I'm sorry, Gordon G. Chang. If

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Speaker 3: you're not following him, you must be because if you

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Speaker 3: want to know what's actually going on, particularly in Southeast Asia,

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Speaker 3: he is the expert that we go to and I

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Speaker 3: don't trust anyone nearly as much on any of this.

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Speaker 3: Gordon's been a little while since we've chatted, but thanks

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Speaker 3: for coming back. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 13: Oh, I appreciate it, Kevin, and thank you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you got it again on Twitter at Gordon G

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Speaker 3: Chang and Gordonshang dot Com is his website. You can

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Speaker 3: check that out as well. Gordon, I just in the

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Speaker 3: opening monologue, talked about the joint exercises that have been

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Speaker 3: going on China and Russia on Tuesday, Japan and the

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Speaker 3: US yesterday, South Korea and Japan both feeling a little

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Speaker 3: bit anxious about Russia and China flying in the airspace

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Speaker 3: in the region. How do you read these series of

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Speaker 3: events in the responses.

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Speaker 13: Well, Japan has really hung very tough and it's actually

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Speaker 13: shown the world how you deal with the militant China.

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Speaker 13: On November seventh, the Japanese Prime Minister said that an

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Speaker 13: invasion of Taiwan would be a survival threatening situation. That's

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Speaker 13: quote survival threatening situation for Japan, and that refers to

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Speaker 13: a phrase in the twenty fifteen Security Law of Japan,

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Speaker 13: and that allows her to mobilize the self defense forces. Well,

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Speaker 13: China then threw a fit. There was a propaganda barrage.

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Speaker 13: When that didn't work, we saw retaliatory economic measures against Japan.

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Speaker 13: When that didn't work, they then started to flood the

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Speaker 13: region with their military, their ships and their planes. And

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Speaker 13: also that hasn't worked because Prime Minister Takeiichi is not

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Speaker 13: backing down, she's not retracting her November seventh statement and

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Speaker 13: the Chinese really don't know what to do. So this

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Speaker 13: is really a sign of weakness from China rather than

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Speaker 13: a sign of strength. But we have to be worried

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Speaker 13: because countries can do some pretty damaging things when they're weak.

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Speaker 3: No, that's true, and in fact, a weak but powerful

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Speaker 3: leader is a scary thing. So let me let me

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Speaker 3: ask you, because there's a there's an element I think

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Speaker 3: to this that is that is part Asian culture too,

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Speaker 3: the whole honor system and being honored and being disrespected,

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Speaker 3: it's on. It plays on a different level than it

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Speaker 3: does you know, in Flyover Country, in the in the US.

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Speaker 3: So what are we really looking at here? What is

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Speaker 3: what is Jijinping actually communicating when he says, Okay, Russia,

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Speaker 3: let's go do some air exercises.

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Speaker 13: Well, he's basically telling the region that if there's a war,

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Speaker 13: it's not going to be just China, It's going to

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Speaker 13: be China's friends, which include Russia, but also of course

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Speaker 13: North Korea. You know, Vladimir Putin would not be fighting

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Speaker 13: in Ukraine were it not for Chinese support. So I

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Speaker 13: don't think Putin is in any position to say Notice

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Speaker 13: that Jimping when she says to him, Look, we're going

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Speaker 13: to war in East Asia.

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Speaker 4: You're coming along.

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Speaker 13: So Putin really doesn't have a choice. Right now, we

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Speaker 13: are also seeing the United States stand firmly behind Japan,

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Speaker 13: and I think that just sort of deters Beijing because

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Speaker 13: really there's nothing Beijing can do without great damage to itself.

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Speaker 3: Well, and that's and that's the thing that that that

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Speaker 3: could turn this into a little bit of a of

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Speaker 3: a conflict because if if Jijiping has this kind of

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Speaker 3: like iron will, that he's going to be respected and

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Speaker 3: he's going to be looked at in this way, and

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Speaker 3: he can basically, you know, pull Russia along by its

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Speaker 3: nosehairs and say you're coming with and of course North

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Speaker 3: Korea is going to do whatever they tell him to.

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Speaker 3: He does have a powerful alliance between those three, those

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Speaker 3: three partners.

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Speaker 13: Well yeah, it certainly is fious and they can create

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Speaker 13: an enormous amount of damage. Basically, they can start World

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Speaker 13: War three because if we have a war in East Asia,

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Speaker 13: you know, that really means we've got a war in Europe.

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Speaker 13: We've had a number of wars that have just gone

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Speaker 13: quiet in Asia itself, and North Africa is a flame.

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Speaker 13: So that starts to look like the beginning of the

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Speaker 13: next global conflict. Now, Si Jimping is perfectly capable of

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Speaker 13: doing that because he can't back down, he can't act constructively,

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Speaker 13: and his military is creating provocations. And it's not just

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Speaker 13: against Japan, it's against South Korea, Malaysia, Taiwan, the Philippines, Australia, India.

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Speaker 13: So China is just basically lashing out in many directions

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Speaker 13: and that's a sign of strategic incoherence, which means something

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Speaker 13: is pretty wrong in Beijing right now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Do you read that as Jijiping being vulnerable in China?

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Speaker 13: I think he is vulnerable. He has probably lost a

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Speaker 13: lot of influence over the Chinese military, which now is

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Speaker 13: run by somebody does not really salute when Sigenping walks by. Also,

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Speaker 13: there have been problems among civilian leaders, though I think

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Speaker 13: Cigenping has been able to patch that up. But there's

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Speaker 13: been a lot of turmoil. We've been seeing signs of instability.

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Speaker 13: We don't know exactly what they mean, Kevin, because the

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Speaker 13: regime is now more opaque, but we are seeing things

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Speaker 13: that do not occur when this political situation is calm.

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Speaker 3: From a practical standpoint. Gordon talk to me about the

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Speaker 3: impact of defaging Iran completely and ending their nuclear program.

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Speaker 3: I know that they in North Korea kind of rejoined

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Speaker 3: at the hip, at least on some level of philosophically.

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Speaker 3: But North koreas a lot of loss of people in

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Speaker 3: the Ukraine conflict as well. What is the impact of

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Speaker 3: those kind of Middle Eastern and European moves due to

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Speaker 3: the alliance if North Korea is expected to play.

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Speaker 13: A part, well, North Korea has played a big part

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Speaker 13: in Ukraine, sending soldiers, artillery shells, short range ballistic missiles

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Speaker 13: and now ordinary workers to support the Russian war effort.

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Speaker 13: And it shows that the coalition that is forming around

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Speaker 13: China is starting to harden and is starting to act

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Speaker 13: in a coordinated fashion. They call it the krinks China,

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Speaker 13: Russia around North Korea. And although you know these countries

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Speaker 13: don't like each other, these regimes often struggle against one another,

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Speaker 13: they now are taking down a piece and stability around

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Speaker 13: the world. So this is a sort of sign that

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Speaker 13: we could very well be on the edge of catastrophic events.

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Speaker 3: Was this largely the doing of the Biden weakness for

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Speaker 3: those four years?

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Speaker 13: Biden certainly contributed to this, but Biden's predecessors didn't help either,

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Speaker 13: And we're talking about problems that go back to George W. Bush.

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Speaker 13: Obama certainly didn't help. He created the mind in the

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Speaker 13: minds of the Chinese leaders, He created the image of

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Speaker 13: American weakness, and Biden certainly reinforced that.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 3: They spent all that time kattowing to Iran as well,

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Speaker 3: and that's like, it's very difficult for Americans to think

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Speaker 3: of our country kind of being had in hand with Iran,

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Speaker 3: But under both of those administrations, that's kind of what

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Speaker 3: our posture was.

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Speaker 13: Yes, it was really bad policy. I mean, it was

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Speaker 13: dishonorable policy as well as being misguided, and we're still

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Speaker 13: suffering from that. But as I mentioned, every president has

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Speaker 13: contributed to the problems by pursuing policies that have not

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Speaker 13: been in our interest.

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Speaker 3: Did we make a mistake in because you said the

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Speaker 3: States Back to w he was very keen to try

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Speaker 3: to encourage middle class flourishing in China, thinking that a

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Speaker 3: partially free market would change the direction of things. It

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Speaker 3: kind of looks like on this end of it to me,

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Speaker 3: in my eyes, aren't the experts that yours are, But

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Speaker 3: it kind of looks like to me that what we

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Speaker 3: did is we made China a lot more profitable and

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Speaker 3: that the Chinese Communist Party just kind of absorbed all

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Speaker 3: of that to their benefit.

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Speaker 13: Yes, well, it's actually started with George HW. Bush and

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Speaker 13: the Bush family has a real problem when it comes

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Speaker 13: to China, or at least from the American perspective, we do.

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Speaker 13: This was a strategic mistake that was shared by both parties,

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Speaker 13: a strategic mistake was shared by liberals and conservatives, and

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Speaker 13: it's the greatest mistake the United States has ever made.

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Speaker 13: And it's not clear we're going to recover from this

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Speaker 13: because China intends to destroy the United States and we

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Speaker 13: Americans are not aware of that. And what we need

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Speaker 13: is the President of the United States to actually talk

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Speaker 13: about how dangerous this is. But Trump is not in

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Speaker 13: a move to do that right now, which just increases

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Speaker 13: the danger in my mind, because although we're the far

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Speaker 13: stronger society, China can take us down because we're not

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Speaker 13: defending ourselves with the robust nature, the vigor and determination

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Speaker 13: that we need.

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Speaker 3: Besides presidential commentary on it, what else would you want

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Speaker 3: to see happen?

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Speaker 13: I think that we need the Pentagon to get a

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Speaker 13: sense of urgency. The most important thing the Pentagon. There's

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Speaker 13: two things that Pentagon needs to do right away. One

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Speaker 13: of them is to get the Chinese away from our

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Speaker 13: military bases because what the Ukrainians did to the Russians

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Speaker 13: and destroying a third of the Russian long range bomber fleet,

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Speaker 13: the Chinese can do to our planes.

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Speaker 4: Not only here but abroad.

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Speaker 13: Thing is we need to go after the Chinese in

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Speaker 13: space where we're in real mortal.

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Speaker 3: I'm in big favor of that. Let's talk about that

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Speaker 3: more when you come back next time. Gordon Chang, thank

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Speaker 3: you for all that you're doing.

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Speaker 13: And thank you, Kevin.

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Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 13: And Merry Christmas to you and your listener.

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Speaker 3: The same, Gordon G. Chang on x or Twitter, whatever

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Speaker 3: you call it now it's Gordon G. Chang follow him

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Speaker 3: there or Gordon Chang dot com online. Kevin McCulloch coming

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Speaker 3: back from Times Square. Lots more straight ahead, don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 7: Here, he is, I'm from New York, Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Kevin mckella, all right, welcome back.

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Speaker 3: It's that Kevin show. Glad you're with us from Times Square.

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Speaker 3: They were just with us a couple of weeks ago.

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Speaker 3: Today their new Christmas single called all Oh Holy Night.

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Speaker 3: But today just just half the team is back with us.

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Speaker 3: Keith Getty, Keith, it's the last. Yeah. Well look we

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Speaker 3: all OutKick our coverage, right, that's the point. God's gracious

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Speaker 3: to us that way. Sure, Hey, welcome back. It's good

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Speaker 3: to have you. And you guys are as we speak today.

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Speaker 3: You're preparing in Washington, d C. You're rehearsing and getting

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Speaker 3: the band all ready to go do your London Christmas dates.

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Speaker 3: But there's a big announcement for American fans that are

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Speaker 3: missing your Christmas tour this year. What is it?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, Well, first of all, there are a few tickets,

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Speaker 14: very few tickets went fifty tickets ago. We really want

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Speaker 14: to pop in the Museum of the Bible and hear

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Speaker 14: a little intimate, intimate performance.

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Speaker 6: We're doing the last couple of nights.

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Speaker 14: But the big news is that we're doing the biggest

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Speaker 14: live stream of our lives, which is live from the

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Speaker 14: Royal Albert Hall in London next Friday night, the Friday

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Speaker 14: before Christmas, Friday, the nineteenth December. You'll able to watch

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Speaker 14: it live at one thirty nine for in here all

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Speaker 14: that evening.

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Speaker 6: But It's going to be a real special occasion.

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Speaker 14: We're encouraging people all to sign up and to get

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Speaker 14: their families and friends along and just to enjoy this.

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Speaker 3: This is going to be beautiful. I was thinking, Keith,

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Speaker 3: when you guys decided not to do an American tour

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Speaker 3: this year, how sad that is. Some of us have

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Speaker 3: been with you for the last ten years at Carnegie

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Speaker 3: Hall and other locations across the country. But this is

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Speaker 3: a tremendous way to still celebrate Christmas, singing the great carols,

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Speaker 3: listening to the great thoughts, being a part of the event.

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Speaker 3: And what better way than to do it at the

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Speaker 3: night that I'm going to be there with you guys. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we're coming over to do it in person. Not everybody can,

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Speaker 3: but you can still join us there.

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Speaker 14: It's utterly electric and the singing will be extraordinary. It's

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Speaker 14: a nine camera shoot, so you'll able to see and

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Speaker 14: very much be part of the whole night. And so

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Speaker 14: just encouraging really be part of a Christiens. Uncle John

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Speaker 14: Lennox is joining us on the occasion. Blessing offer triply

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Speaker 14: a lumberoll again. The first half is that usual high entertainment,

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Speaker 14: high Christmas fun and celebration, and then the second half

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Speaker 14: we reach to the lessons in Carol, read to the

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Speaker 14: Christmas during and everybody gets to sing their favorite Christmas

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Speaker 14: Karl's in harmony.

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Speaker 6: So we hope as many you can join us.

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Speaker 3: As a number of years ago I invited some non

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Speaker 3: believing friends to come with us to Carnegie Hall to

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Speaker 3: see the show, and to this day there have been

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Speaker 3: spiritual discussions begun because of that that they that we're

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Speaker 3: still in the midst of processing. So it's one of

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Speaker 3: those things, friends, where you can everybody enjoys Christmas, So

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Speaker 3: come and do this. Now. What's fun about this is

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Speaker 3: that it will be live at one point thirty in

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Speaker 3: the afternoon, but if you miss that, it's going to

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Speaker 3: be back in essence live seven thirty that evening, same performance.

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Speaker 3: It'll just be on tape, but you'll see the actual

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Speaker 3: new show, the new Christmas show that Keith and Christen

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Speaker 3: are putting together. And Keith, this is not I mean

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Speaker 3: for people that are just hearing about this for the

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Speaker 3: first time. This is a show that you guys kind

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Speaker 3: of work on a little bit all year long. You

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Speaker 3: throw in some new music, you're doing a few things

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Speaker 3: different every single year. It never gets old, and yet

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Speaker 3: it always feels classic.

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Speaker 14: Well, thank you, Like I feel it's a reflection of

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Speaker 14: what we're doing every year. In the commy last year,

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Speaker 14: Christias victorily out of that end and we've kept that

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Speaker 14: as part of it. This I'm a Ruin Laisan Congress

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Speaker 14: and Korea as we had a Korean and Carol. This

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Speaker 14: year has been a year of a Holy Night and

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Speaker 14: some new collaborations and do it so the new song

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Speaker 14: is get included each year and I'll always just make

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Speaker 14: it a little bit more special.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing that we love about the evening

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Speaker 3: and there is something magical about those classic texts and Keith,

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Speaker 3: it astounds me. I'd listen. I see Christmas specials on television.

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Speaker 3: I hear secular, pagan, godless rock artists singing these songs

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Speaker 3: of faith, and I think, boy, if you guys just

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Speaker 3: understood what you were saying, Like, how powerful would that be?

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Speaker 6: But how great it is that they're singing it.

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Speaker 14: How great it is, And it gets all of us

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Speaker 14: thinking about these things at Christmas.

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Speaker 6: So it really is. I mean, it's the most wonderful

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Speaker 6: time of the year. We joked, but it really is.

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Speaker 6: In every sense.

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Speaker 14: Because also I think what I'm conscious of as I

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Speaker 14: talked to people even yesterday is people's emotions are bigger

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Speaker 14: at Christmas, as they look back, as they look forward,

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Speaker 14: as they're at the end of a year, and so

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Speaker 14: it's just such a wonderful time to just make a

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Speaker 14: gentle ask to our friends.

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Speaker 3: Well, it was one of those things where when you

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Speaker 3: contacted me about the new song, Oh Holy Night and friends,

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Speaker 3: we did feature it on the show just a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks ago. But if you have not heard it,

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Speaker 3: go over to Spotify or to Apple and pull it

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Speaker 3: up Oh Holy Night Getty Music. It's Kristin on the

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Speaker 3: lead vocal with a couple of the Getty daughters and

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Speaker 3: Keith on the piano. But it's a very intimate version.

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Speaker 3: It's not one of these big orchestral you know, bang

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Speaker 3: you in the face with four key changes before the

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Speaker 3: end of it. It's a very warm thing. But I

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Speaker 3: was thinking about this Keith just today actually, because I'm

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Speaker 3: we're settling on the music act for this weekend for

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Speaker 3: the television show, and there were a couple of versions

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Speaker 3: of I'll be Home for Christmas that I was auditioning,

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Speaker 3: and I was like, you know what, I think that

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Speaker 3: feeling that you were just talking about, that warmth, that

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Speaker 3: that bigger emotion that we feel, I think it's I

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Speaker 3: think it boils down to this. People want to know,

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Speaker 3: they want to understand, and they want to be home.

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Speaker 3: The home is a is a concept. It is a

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Speaker 3: It is a heart place besides a physical place. And

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Speaker 3: many of us that have trouble at the holidays feel like,

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Speaker 3: well I just don't belong anywhere. Well, Jesus Manger is

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Speaker 3: where you belong. Jesus Manger. He came to create that

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Speaker 3: home for you and you will experience that home feeling

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Speaker 3: and in few other ways better than joining the Gettys

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Speaker 3: for their Christmas concert coming up a week from Friday

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Speaker 3: at Royal Albert Hall, and it's going to be just

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Speaker 3: an amazing, glorious thing. Now real quickly, Keith, give me

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Speaker 3: thirty more seconds on how people can get tickets if

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Speaker 3: they're in the DC area tonight and tomorrow, how can

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Speaker 3: they come see you there?

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Speaker 6: Just come down to be given the Bible or call

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Speaker 6: him up. I'll go to gain you to grab take

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Speaker 6: to get from there. Okay, but Gaye Intimate Shows we're

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Speaker 6: gonna be introducing the handles as a relevant part of it.

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Speaker 6: So it's a really unique people a little bit butter

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Speaker 6: and nick folks afterwards.

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Speaker 14: So a really beautiful, intimate, intimate show under perfect preparation.

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Speaker 6: For going into these three massive arena shows next week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well in DC, they're rehearsing in Europe. It'll be

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Speaker 3: the big, real deal. But friends, just take advantage of it.

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Speaker 3: All the details at Getting music dot com. Keith, thanks

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Speaker 3: for the thanks for the stop in. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 14: Guys, Happy Christmas and look forward to Kevin mckella coming.

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Speaker 3: Back from Times Square. Boy, here he is.

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Speaker 2: It's from New York.

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Speaker 3: Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Kevin mccullo.

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Speaker 3: That kevinshow dot com for everything related podcasts, TV show.

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Speaker 3: Want to drop me an email all that there. We're

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Speaker 3: also very proud to be now a part of the

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Speaker 3: Salem Podcast Network. Very excited about being there. And don't

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Speaker 3: forget tomorrow morning Salem News Channel eight am nationwide. You

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Speaker 3: can get the TV version of that Kevin Show. We

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Speaker 3: have got some funny stuff this weekend. Tim Waltz parodies,

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Speaker 3: We've got some Pete Hegseth parody. We've got there's all

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Speaker 3: kinds of good stuff we've got for you tomorrow, along

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Speaker 3: with some great discussions important topics, and an artist of

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Speaker 3: the week with some holiday music. Spotlight will be bringing

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Speaker 3: your way. But I know that on Fridays it's fun

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Speaker 3: to think about what you might want to do for

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Speaker 3: your weekend. And here in the City of New York,

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Speaker 3: I co host a seven pm Eastern broadcast with my

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Speaker 3: next guest, who joined us last week for the first time.

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Speaker 3: Her name is Christin Nicholas. She is the CEO and

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Speaker 3: founder of Nicholas and Lentz, which is I think the

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Speaker 3: world's number one PR agency if you're asking me. But

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Speaker 3: she's regularly rated amongst the top in her field, and

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Speaker 3: she is a former liaison for Mayor Giuliani and a

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Speaker 3: number of other things she could add to the title

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Speaker 3: head of New York City Tourism, head of many many things.

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Speaker 3: She's kind of the first lady of New York City

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Speaker 3: hospitality and the surrounding region. Christine, it's good to have

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Speaker 3: you back. Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 15: Wow, Kevin, what an intro.

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: Your curriculum vitae is a little bit long, like we're

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Speaker 3: gonna have to get shorter. Versions of it if if

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Speaker 3: you're going to be on the show regularly.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, that's because I'm a couple of years older than you.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, in the truth, Yeah, she's putting this up

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Speaker 3: like she's like my mother or something. We're not that

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Speaker 3: far apart, all right. So tonight on our show, we're

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Speaker 3: going to welcome a couple of really interesting characters that

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Speaker 3: my audience would recognize. Dan Lauria, who was the dad

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Speaker 3: on The Wonder Years, Kevin And who was the girlfriend

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Speaker 3: Winnie Kevin and Winnie and And then another actress who

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Speaker 3: is a legend in her own right, who crazily enough,

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Speaker 3: was introduced to at lunch this week and I had

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Speaker 3: already met her. But who are we having on the

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Speaker 3: show tonight to talk about all the fun stuff in

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Speaker 3: New York.

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Speaker 15: Well, you mentioned Dan Lauria, who, in addition to being

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Speaker 15: on the Wonder Years for many many years, he was

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Speaker 15: also on Broadway. And that's when I got to get

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Speaker 15: to know him a bit. He played Vince Lombardi in

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Speaker 15: the Broadway play Lombardi, and he got rave reviews for it,

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Speaker 15: and it was actually like, you know, I only saw

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Speaker 15: TV clips of the famous coach, but his mannerisms, his voice,

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Speaker 15: it sounded looked just like Lombardi, So he's got a

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Speaker 15: lot of credit for that. And joining him tonight will

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Speaker 15: be Patti McCormick. She is an Academy Award and Globe

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Speaker 15: Golden Globe nominated actress. She got her career in a

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Speaker 15: start called in a movie called The Bad Seat in

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Speaker 15: ni teen fifty four and now she's not bat old,

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Speaker 15: but she was a child in nineteen fifty four. It

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Speaker 15: was her first acting gig and she got an Academy

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Speaker 15: Award nomination for that. But you probably know her because

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Speaker 15: she was also she played the first Lady Pat Nixon

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Speaker 15: in the feature film Frost Nixon. She was also a

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Speaker 15: regular on The Ropers, remember the spin off from the company. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: so she was in The Ropers. And you know, she's

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Speaker 15: been in so many televisions. She's been a soap star

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Speaker 15: and all of that. But they are coming together again

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Speaker 15: to join us to talk about a play that Dan

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Speaker 15: Laurier wrote called Just Another Day, and it is playing

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Speaker 15: on the Jersey Shore in Long Branch this weekend and

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Speaker 15: next week. And it is really a beautiful, beautiful play

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Speaker 15: about two comedy writers that they worked together. You know,

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Speaker 15: they're older people, but they work together throughout their whole career.

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Speaker 15: But you don't realize it at first, but they're at

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Speaker 15: a dementia home, right, and so every day they almost

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Speaker 15: relive the same meeting where they meet each other, they

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Speaker 15: fall in love with each other, they start talking about

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Speaker 15: funny you know, acts and writing things, and they are

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Speaker 15: reliving their lives every day. And then there's a rule

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Speaker 15: just when they are about to embrace, they ring a

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Speaker 15: bell because they don't want the patience praatenizing, so they

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Speaker 15: ring a bell, they snap out of it, and then

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Speaker 15: they go their separate ways to their back to their rooms,

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Speaker 15: and then the next day they do it again. And

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Speaker 15: it really is beautiful and it's a comedy, but it

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Speaker 15: is also very poignant on healing and helping those who

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Speaker 15: are dealing with people who have dementia if you live

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Speaker 15: through it, so many of us have with parents, grandparents

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Speaker 15: of one. Yeah, yeah, So it's it's just so beautifully written.

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Speaker 15: So Dan Lauria and Patty McCormick will be joining us.

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Speaker 3: Tonight, all right, And that's so you can you can

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Speaker 3: after it's posted. Right, Tanika, it's gonna be up right

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Speaker 3: after the show.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And then uh and then if you if you are

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Speaker 3: Branch and to see this. And they do have a

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Speaker 3: limited number of runs left. And I think Christine, if

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Speaker 3: I if I heard the conversation correctly the last time

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Speaker 3: we were speaking with them about it, they're open to

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Speaker 3: taking this other places. In fact, the the Alzheimer's Association

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Speaker 3: that is kind of the official, uh you know, recognized

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Speaker 3: for their fundraisers where they have actually raised a lot

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Speaker 16: Uh.

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Speaker 8: And uh.

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Speaker 3: This is this is one of those things where I think,

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Speaker 3: and I think it's such a good vehicle to talk

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Speaker 3: long before they ever diagnosed to Alzheimer's or dementia. People

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Speaker 3: were struggling with it, and we just kind of talked

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Speaker 3: because they acted a funny way that way. No, it

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Speaker 3: was probably they were probably wrestling with this very real fact.

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Speaker 3: Just from a personal standpoint. I'll never forget when my

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Speaker 3: wrestled with this for a while, and you know, coming

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Speaker 3: out to see her, you know, and not remembering or

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Speaker 3: having her shirt on backwards. I mean, there's just all

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Speaker 3: kinds of things that you know, we struggle with. This

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Speaker 3: is a very positive way to kind of view that

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Speaker 3: and very excited about that. Christine, thanks for stopping in

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Speaker 3: and telling us about it.

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Speaker 15: Oh thanks, Kevin, and have a wonderful weekend.

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Speaker 3: just want to kind of rewind the show for today.

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Speaker 3: As we talked about the importance of theological clarity at

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Speaker 3: the beginning, My opening monologue dealt with Kirk Cameron's desire

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Speaker 3: to move to the position of annihilationism in his theology

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Speaker 3: as opposed to the reality of Hell, and the truth

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Speaker 3: is we probably could have done two hours just on

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Speaker 3: that topic alone, because the doctrine of Hell, the theology

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Speaker 3: vital to understand what redemption and the Gospel actually mean.

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Speaker 3: If you can live the life of an unrepentant sinner

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Speaker 3: into nothing, then there really is no payment for sin.

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Speaker 3: There is no consequence of sin because you just disappear.

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Speaker 3: There's no consciousness, there's no understanding, there's no reality of

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Speaker 3: the way, to a lot of other arguments that I

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Speaker 3: don't think Kirk Cameron wants to get into, things like

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Speaker 3: assisted suicide, things like things that are just very unhelpful

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Speaker 3: and unredemptive. Annihilationism is not part of traditional Orthodox or

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Speaker 3: Catholic Christianity. There's no doctrine in evangelical circles, Orthodox circles

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Speaker 3: or Catholic circles that embraces annihilationism. Hell is real. Jesus

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Speaker 3: came to rescue us from Hell. That's why his sacrifice

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Speaker 3: I'm not mad at Kirk Cameron. He's done a lot

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Speaker 3: of good things for the culture and he's paid a

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Speaker 3: price for speaking up, but I'd like to gently correct

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Speaker 3: him and say it's not accurate, theologically, doctrinally, or in

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Speaker 3: reality to deny Hell's existence and actual purpose in our redemption.

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Speaker 3: I hope he gets the message. I hope that we

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Speaker 3: can maybe even have him on the show to chat

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Speaker 3: about it. Would love to do so as best we could.

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Speaker 3: All Right, Kevin McCollough, please hang out with me tomorrow

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Speaker 3: morning eight am on Salem News Channel. We're gonna have

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