1 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: This is a segment guys on how ancient wisdom, the 2 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: wisdom of the Bible, meets modern technology, the technology of 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 1: bitcoin and cryptocurrency. And I have two guests, Jonathan Rose, 4 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: the CEO of block Trust Ira. 5 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 2: He's our crypto man. 6 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: And we also have Pastor Alan Armstrong to talk a 7 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: little bit about a way in which. 8 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 2: Crypto now meets in interesting ways. 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 1: You're about to discover the Bible, Jonathan, let me start 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: with you. Because cryptocurrency bitcoin, this is a bit of 11 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: a mystery to a lot of people. They know it's 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: the wave of the future. They know the benefits of bitcoin. 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: It's a currency that can't be duplicated, it can't be 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: added to. You can't change the number of bitcoin that's 15 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: programmed into the system. 16 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 2: So it is a currency that holds its value over time. 17 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: And yet people are like, I'm scared of this. I 18 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: don't quite know how to handle it. It all seems 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: a little arcane to me. You have a way for 20 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: people to solve that problem. Talk about what that way is. 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, first of all, thank you Danesha having me 22 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 3: back on It's always a pleasure. Something you said at 23 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: the very beginning of that statement really stood out to me, 24 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 3: and that's people's having a little bit of an enigma 25 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: or learning about cryptocurrency, because you're right, it's so new, 26 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: and myself, I come from a banking background of works 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 3: on the London Method Exchange. Melo Lynch, Morgan Stanley, I 28 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: think we discussed this once together before and when I 29 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: was first introduced to cryptocurrency and I really started looking 30 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 3: at it in twenty fourteen, I was one of those 31 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 3: guilty parties that put my hand up and says, I 32 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 3: don't understand this. This does makes sense. This is going 33 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: to be a fad, especially coming from a financial trading 34 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: flo seeing equities, the bond markets, commodities being traded. But 35 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: as time grew and I saw the staying power and 36 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: then the economics behind crypto currency, it really did start 37 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 3: to fascinate me. And I knew back then that this 38 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 3: wasn't just going to be a fad, this was going 39 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 3: to be the future of money. Now. Obviously, fast forward 40 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 3: to today and when President Trump ran on his last campaign, 41 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 3: he was very vocal about making the crypto the US 42 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,119 Speaker 3: central hub of the world. And I think he's done 43 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: an amazing job of this so far, but we still 44 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 3: have a long way to go. But one of the 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 3: biggest things I point out with crypto currency, particularly bitcoin, 46 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 3: is that we now have bitcoin being held in the 47 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: US Treasury just like we're holding gold, just like we're 48 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 3: holding other assets in there. Bitcoin is an asset that's 49 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 3: going to stay in the treasury and will continue to 50 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 3: grow and will be a crucial key and a crucial 51 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: tool for the US government to balance its books down 52 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 3: the road. But for the retail investor, they're thinking, well, 53 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: what does that mean for me? Should I still be 54 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: purchasing cryptocurrency? And my simple answer today is yes, but 55 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 3: first getting education, understand why bitcoin exists, Understand why it's 56 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 3: the future of money. Because when you look at the 57 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: US dollar thirty eight thirty nine trillion dollars in debt, 58 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 3: this juggernaut of debt is not going to end well. 59 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 3: And I always say debt does matter. So there's a 60 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: big shift that's happening right now. And the biggest clue 61 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 3: I would give to retail investors whether they should invest 62 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,559 Speaker 3: in cryptocurrency is have a look at what the institutions 63 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: are doing. The institutional money is so these are big banks, 64 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 3: big corporations. You now have publicly treated companies taking their 65 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: cash reserves, not buying bonds or US treasures with it, 66 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 3: They're buying bitcoin and holding onto a bitcoin reserve. You 67 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: now have bitcoin being a global asset, globally recognized and adopted, 68 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: so much so that you have companies like black Rock, 69 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: Morgan Stanley, Merrill Lynch creating their own bitcoin ETDF. And 70 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: this is where it gets interesting because the institutional inflows 71 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: of this map tells us that this is now here 72 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: to stay. And as we hear these news stories pop 73 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: up Clarity Act and people are thinking, what is the 74 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 3: Clarity Act? And all these bills that are passing for cryptocurrency. 75 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: It's basically President Trump building the infrastructure, the foundations, the pillars, 76 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: the roof, and it's going to become an asset class. 77 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 3: There's not only going to stay, but because you mentioned 78 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: there's a fixed supply of it, only twenty one million 79 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 3: bitcoins will ever be created. You want to hold and 80 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 3: get hold of one of these tokens right now before 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 3: you can't even afford half a token. And I always 82 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 3: find that the best way to hold cryptocurrency is actually 83 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: inside a retirement account such as an IRA or four 84 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 3: to one K. I'm a big proponent of that, But 85 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 3: really why we have block Trust Diary is kind of 86 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 3: a helping hand, help people understand cryptocurrency, help them on board, 87 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 3: even if it's in a retirement account, and really denash. 88 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: What stands us apart from everyone else is our AI 89 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 3: technology where we help manage volatility in the market. So 90 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 3: right now we have the Middle East conflict, you can't say, well, 91 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 3: it's a conflict. And with this conflict, we've seen a 92 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: lot of pressure downward pressure on bitcoin and we are 93 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 3: sitting in cash and we wait for that volatility to 94 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: be over and then we will buy back in. And 95 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: Bitcoin has been a great lighthouse to show us how 96 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 3: the market's going to react, because Bitcoin reacts before the 97 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: stock market reacts. So right now we're in a bit 98 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: of a bearish market for cryptocurrency. That's fine. I'm a 99 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 3: long term holder that this is the time to be 100 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 3: adding it, do your retirement account and adding it in 101 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 3: a way where there's parameters and safeguards out there. So 102 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: when it's volatile, you step out, sit in cash, you 103 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 3: let that volatility run its course, and you buy back 104 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 3: in at the lower price. And the same could be 105 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 3: said when it tops out at the top. We see 106 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: that volatility coming, it's over overbought. We sell our clients out, 107 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 3: we keep them in cash, and we rinse and repeat 108 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: this product, and in doing so we beat the buy 109 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: and hold strategy. So, just as an example, in twenty 110 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 3: twenty five, bitcoin was down negative six and a half percent, 111 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: our customers were up twenty seven percent, just by using 112 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: very sophisticated AI. And I think that's really the main 113 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 3: difference is helping people not only understand how to onboard 114 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 3: of the cryptocurrency safely, but use this volatility. The volatility 115 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,359 Speaker 3: becomes your friend and learn how volatility can really increase 116 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 3: your wealth and your holdings in a retirement account with bitcoin. 117 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 2: The place to begin your education, the place to invest 118 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: with a block trust IRA go to Denesh crypt com. 119 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 2: Very simple, toneshcrypto dot com. 120 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: Jonathan, you had a big idea recently, and it is 121 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: an idea to merge two things that normally don't go together, 122 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: namely crypto and reading the Bible. Can you talk about, 123 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: first of all, where did you get such an idea? 124 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: And second of all, what is the sort of offer 125 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: that goes with it. 126 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 3: I'll try and put this as concisely as I can 127 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 3: so obviously being from financial being from the background, I'm 128 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 3: also a Christian and I read a lot and I 129 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 3: found this book called The Bible and Bitcoin by a 130 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: pastor by the name of Alan Armstrong, and it just 131 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: kind of really blew my mind that why is a 132 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 3: pastor writing about bitcoin in the Bible? Where is that? 133 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 3: Where is that marriage there? I purchased the book. I 134 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 3: read it. I thought it was absolutely brilliant. I wanted 135 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: to contact this pasta because I wanted to offer more 136 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 3: of these books just to my clients. I went on 137 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 3: Google and I googled his name and lo and behold, 138 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 3: the Internet reveals or i phone number popped up. So 139 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 3: I called him up and I said, before, well, before 140 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 3: you hang up, I'm not some weirdo calling you. I've 141 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: read your book. And I started explaining my background to 142 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 3: Pastor Alan, and he was very dubious at first. Who's 143 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: this British guy calling me out of the blue. I 144 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 3: started buying a lot of books from Pastor Allan just 145 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: to kind of educate, just further my education and further 146 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 3: educate my clients. And then during our kind of friendship 147 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 3: forming over the past year and a half, Pastor Alan 148 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 3: told me about an app he was making about encouraging 149 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: people to read the Bible and then rewarding people who 150 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: are reading the Bible by giving them bitpoint, And that 151 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 3: just really blew my mind. And the more I thought 152 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: about it, the more it made sense, and very quickly. 153 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 3: I was just recently on a trip with my wife 154 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 3: in New York. We stayed at the Plaza Beautiful hotel, 155 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 3: and my wife likes to eat at this sandwich shop 156 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: in New York that we don't have here on West 157 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: It's a British sandwich shot, so we went there. I 158 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: was sitting there, we did my regard, and she's eating 159 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 3: her sandwich, and I'm looking out the window. I'm staring 160 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 3: at Central Park on Fifth Avenue, and outside are those 161 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 3: bicycles where they kind of rade you around Central Park. 162 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: You sit in the bag, they pay you, pay you 163 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: zubernant amount of money, too much money, but it's good experience. 164 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 3: And I was watching these young gentlemen there, and then 165 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 3: all of a sudden I see them rolling out these 166 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 3: prayer mats on the side concrete side of New York City, 167 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: getting on their hands and knees and start praying. And 168 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 3: these these guys, these you know they weren't Americans obviously, 169 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 3: you know, foreign nationals coming in. They were on Muslims. 170 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 3: And I'm not knocking any religion on what they were doing, 171 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,559 Speaker 3: but I was watching there, watching six of these young 172 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 3: fellas on their hands and knees praying in this concrete jungle, 173 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: fire sirens, policemen going by, noisy city, and I look 174 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 3: at my wife and I'm just thinking, you know what 175 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: Christianity is under attack. You know, where are the good 176 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 3: Judeo cris student values where we're encouraging people to pick 177 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: up the Bible and read. And that's when it really 178 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 3: hit me that what Pastor Allan was doing is is 179 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 3: like a crusader for Christianity. He's getting encouraging people to 180 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 3: pick up the Bible and read, and I think America 181 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: has lost some of that with our children today. Even 182 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 3: my kids, they go to a faith based school. They 183 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: have to learn passages from the Bible and they recite it, 184 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 3: but I never see my kids picking up the Bible. Yes, 185 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: they're memorizing phases. So with this app, I was able 186 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 3: to give it to my kids. They're now reading the Bible. 187 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 3: They're getting rewarded in bitcoin, and I just think it's 188 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 3: an incredible opportunity to reinvigorate the Christian community. And I 189 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 3: want to touch a billion souls doing this to make 190 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: sure that we've got more people reading the Bible. And 191 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 3: I think this is just Alan. Past Alan's hit them 192 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: now on the head here and I feel like it's 193 00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 3: my duty to help him spread the word. And I 194 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 3: feel that this is a vehicle where we can do this. 195 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: We're lucky to have Pastor Alan Armstrong with us. Fast Armstrong. 196 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: Let me ask you kind of from a theological point 197 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: of view, is sound money. 198 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 2: A biblical principle? 199 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: And second of all, if someone were to say, tell 200 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: me more about this app, what am I going to 201 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: get some I'm not going to get some earthly rewards 202 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: as well as heavenly rewards if I dive into this, 203 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: because I'm going to tell people where they can get 204 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: the app. But before we get there, talk a little 205 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: bit about the importance of the biblical principle of money 206 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: holding its value. 207 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 4: First of all, Denesh, thanks so much for having me. 208 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 4: I've been I've been a fan of yours for a while, 209 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 4: so it's it's quite it's quite an experience for me 210 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 4: to be on to be on with you, So so 211 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 4: thank you for having me. I appreciate the opportunity to 212 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 4: come here and tell you what I'm doing. To answer 213 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: your first question, sound money is a deeply biblical theological issue. 214 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 4: Money itself is a deeply biblical theological issue, and it 215 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 4: goes back all the way to Genesis one. Now I'm 216 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 4: a pastor, I'm a preacher, so forgive me if I 217 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 4: begin preaching. But in Genesis chapter one, we have God 218 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 4: creating everything. You know, day one, day two, day three, 219 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 4: so on and so forth. Mostly you know the narrative. 220 00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 4: He creates man, and he says that he creates He 221 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 4: creates man and woman, male and female, and he says 222 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 4: that he makes them in his image. It says, let 223 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 4: us make man in our image after our likeness. And 224 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 4: you know, you go the Bible study and you go 225 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 4: to Sunday School near kid and you learn how you're 226 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 4: made in God's image, and it kind of ends there. 227 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 4: What does it really mean? And theologians have spilled, you know, 228 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 4: oceans of ink trying to figure this out, and it's 229 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 4: kind of mysterious for some people. But if you just 230 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 4: read the passage, God literally tells you he defines what 231 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 4: this is to be made in God's image, is to 232 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 4: have dominion over the earth, to rule and subdue it. 233 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 4: And that's a deeply economic activity. Man and woman are 234 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: two people, Adam and Eve, they have children, so on 235 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 4: and so forth. One in two people. That's a small economy, 236 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 4: but it's an economy. But as humanity grows, as humanity proliferates, 237 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 4: as we as his image, do what God says, be 238 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 4: fruitful and multiplied, we need an intermediary tool to scale 239 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 4: the human experiment, if you will, the human mandate is 240 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 4: a better way to put it. And money is that tool. 241 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 4: Money is the intermediary tool. It's the language of value 242 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 4: that you and I and all of God's imagers can 243 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 4: use to express value, to reward other image bearers of 244 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 4: God for what they do for their time and their labor. 245 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 4: And so God creates the world, which is an economic activity. 246 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 4: He creates value. He makes man in it, a woman 247 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 4: in his image, to do more economic activity, be fruitful 248 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 4: and multiply. And so when you understand your identity, you 249 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 4: understand how important it is for us to have a 250 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: sound money, a money that accurately represents and honors the 251 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: value and effort of each human being made in God's image. 252 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 4: So it's a huge, huge, huge issue that unfortunately, I 253 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 4: think the Church has by and large sort of put 254 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 4: to the wayside. Now, to answer your second question with 255 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 4: the app, are you going to get earthly rewards as 256 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: well as heavenly rewards? I'm not quite sure how to 257 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 4: answer that. I know you'll get heavenly rewards because the 258 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 4: Word of God is the Word of God, it's living, 259 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 4: it's active, is sharper than any two edges sword. And 260 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 4: so the real goal behind this app was to get 261 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 4: more people in the Bible there as a I've been 262 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: doing this for over a decade. In one of the 263 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 4: problems I've seen, or one of the things lacking, is 264 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 4: there are so many believers, believers who've been believing even 265 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 4: longer than I've been alive, who have never actually read 266 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 4: the Bible, the whole thing. There's so many who haven't 267 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 4: read Genesis to Revelation. I thought, man, why is that? 268 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 4: And I've always been trying to solve this problem. How 269 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 4: do I get people reading the whole thing? I know 270 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 4: there's some like Lubidicus and numbers, maybe it's hard to understand, 271 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 4: but if you read those things and you keep going. 272 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 4: It's like a treasure. You will get this understanding and 273 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 4: it is so deep and it is so meaningful, even 274 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 4: those verses that you think had nothing to do with you. 275 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: But you got to put in the work. And so 276 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 4: I came to I came along to bitcoin. I found 277 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 4: it to be sound money, God honoring money, and wrote 278 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 4: a book about it. And then and then I saw 279 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 4: a comment on Twitter and it said somebody said, I 280 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 4: wish I could get paid bitcoin for reading the Bible, 281 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 4: and they kind of said it in joking, and I thought, 282 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 4: wait a minute, this might work work, and so I 283 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 4: started building it. And what the app does is basically 284 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 4: you download it and you opt into a daily reading plan, 285 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 4: and each day you complete your daily reading, you'll get 286 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 4: rewarded with a little bit of bitcoin. And it reinforces 287 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 4: this habit. It uses the the incentive structures of other 288 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: apps to reinforce a life giving habit. And that was 289 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 4: the goal. And so, as Jonathan was saying, we want 290 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 4: to see billions of souls touched, I want many Christians, 291 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 4: and unbelievable, I have atheists commenting on my Twitter now saying, hey, 292 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: I'm not a believer, but this this looks interesting. 293 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 2: Is this for me? 294 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 4: I said, yes, download it and read the Bible. It's 295 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 4: it's for you, it's for everybody. So we want to 296 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,320 Speaker 4: reach the world with this and the bitcoin. Look, guys, 297 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 4: the bitcoin is just a cool incentive. I want to 298 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 4: share bitcoin with the church, and I want the church 299 00:16:57,520 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 4: reading the Bible. And so you're not gonna rich reading 300 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 4: the Bible or anything like that, but you will be 301 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:05,919 Speaker 4: introduced to bitcoin. You will understand how it works, and 302 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 4: I believe once you do, you'll never look at money 303 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: the same. 304 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you gave such an interesting analysis of a 305 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: passage that most people know about made in the image 306 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: of God. The economic dimension of it, I mean, I 307 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: could illustrate the point, I think very simply if I 308 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: you know, if a kid, let's just says, comes to 309 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: you and says, I'll paint your fence and it's going 310 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: to take me, you know, ten hours, pay me one 311 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 1: hundred dollars, and you pay the guy one hundred dollars. 312 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: But then and he saves it and he hangs on 313 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: to it. It's really valuable to him. It represents the 314 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: effort that he's put in to paint that fence. And 315 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,439 Speaker 1: if over time, money keeps losing its value. The one 316 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: hundred dollars becomes in terms of purchasing power ninety. 317 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: Five ninety eighty five eighty. You're stealing that kid's money. 318 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:55,199 Speaker 1: And I think that's what you're saying, that that the 319 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,959 Speaker 1: biblical principle is that if work is to be rewarded, 320 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: in this case by that measurement we call money, that 321 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: money should hold its value. And the beauty of bitcoin 322 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: is is that it does that. 323 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 2: Guys. 324 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: The place to get this app orange. Now orange is 325 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: the color of bitcoin. You might wonder why it's Orangebible 326 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: dot com slash dinesh Orange Bible dot com slash dnesh. 327 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: That's where you get the app. That's where you're gonna 328 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: get incentivized to be reading the Bible and developing a 329 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: Bible study habit. I also want to mention the other 330 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: side I mentioned earlier. It's deneshcrypto dot com to learn 331 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 1: about block trust. 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