Speaker 1: Well, friends, Welcome back to New World, Old to a podcast.
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here once again. We asked all
Speaker 1: of you out in the Internet world whether or not
Speaker 1: you'd be curious to hear about Melissa's progress with her
Speaker 1: throid issues and the Hashi motos and how all of
Speaker 1: that is going motives the Hashi motos. So many of
Speaker 1: you expressed in interest in how it is that she's
Speaker 1: been addressing all of these health concerns. But before we
Speaker 1: jump into that conversation, we just wanted to bring up
Speaker 1: an address because I'm sure we'll get some questions about why
Speaker 1: it is we're not discussing this. We're recording this on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of breaking news about everything
Speaker 1: that's happening down in Mexico. I'm sure by the time
Speaker 1: we post this, additional information and details will have been
Speaker 1: made known to everybody out there. Pretty shocking what's happening,
Speaker 1: and we just wanted to express our concern and really
Speaker 1: pray for everyone that's specifically vacationing down there, because how
Speaker 1: unexpected would this be if you were just hoping to
Speaker 1: take a family vaca, a couple of vaca and then
Speaker 1: all of this turmoil begins. Very scary stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really scary. My sister was actually vacationing there
Speaker 2: well the week after we back from Hawaii, so I
Speaker 2: think she got back maybe a week ago, ten days ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, scary stuff. There's all these video clips that are
Speaker 1: coming out, like I said, prayers or everyone that is
Speaker 1: down there or down there currently seeing like gun battles
Speaker 1: in the streets and people being ripped out of their
Speaker 1: cars and everyone's sheltering in place in the hotels, which
Speaker 1: would be an awful feeling. Yeah, So we wanted to
Speaker 1: jump to this health discussion regarding so many of the
Speaker 1: positive results that you've gotten more recently with all of
Speaker 1: you your different strategies that you've implemented with addressing this
Speaker 1: Hashi Moltos diagnosis that we encountered last year. You want
Speaker 1: to jump right into that.
Speaker 2: Sure, let's do it all righty. So I was diagnosed
Speaker 2: in October with hashimotos and it's an autoimmune disease and
Speaker 2: essentially it's where your body or your immune system attacks
Speaker 2: your thyroid gland and your thyroid. It affects everything in
Speaker 2: your body and this can affect men and women and
Speaker 2: so a lot of people have hashimotos that don't even
Speaker 2: know it. I mean, they can affect up to ten
Speaker 2: percent of men, but it's more prevalent in women, So
Speaker 2: like one in five women will be affected in their life,
Speaker 2: and then a lot of women will have it and
Speaker 2: suffer with it and then never be diagnosed because doctors
Speaker 2: just don't often test for autoimmune diseases. You have to
Speaker 2: really push. It takes five to twelve years on average
Speaker 2: to get diagnosed, so I don't know how long I
Speaker 2: had it, but I just basically advocated for myself.
Speaker 1: Your mom was also diagnosed very recently, and she had
Speaker 1: no idea. She had run herself through the full gamut
Speaker 1: as far as testing goes, with every reason right, and
Speaker 1: nothing was coming back. Nobody landed on hashimotives. It was
Speaker 1: more so you tho. I was like, hey, yeah, test
Speaker 1: for this specifically.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, And it was Nevea that told me so. Nevella,
Speaker 2: after many many tests, discovered that she had sealyact disease.
Speaker 2: And then after I had Micah, I started just I've
Speaker 2: always been very cold sensitive, I tire easily. My hair
Speaker 2: started falling out pretty much after I had kids. But
Speaker 2: that's very for women, you know, they're like, oh, ever,
Speaker 2: since I've had kids, I have half the hair I
Speaker 2: used to have, and then we just accept that as normal.
Speaker 2: But it's not normal.
Speaker 1: Is that what you attributed all of this too?
Speaker 2: Well after I had Micah, Like my hair got really
Speaker 2: thick when I was pregnant with Mike, and I was like, oooh,
Speaker 2: enjoy it now, like take all the pictures because I'm
Speaker 2: about to be bald, Like I already know how it goes.
Speaker 2: But three months postpartum, my hair started falling out in
Speaker 2: the shower like a bad movie, like I'm washing it
Speaker 2: and it felt like spiders going down the back of
Speaker 2: my legs, just clumps of hair. And especially when I
Speaker 2: dyed my hair, like it would just fall out and clumps,
Speaker 2: which were I know, I am rocking the gray. And
Speaker 2: I just noticed all of a sudden my hair like
Speaker 2: I lost probably half my hair in a matter of
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: That's when you knew you had to take action.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is.
Speaker 2: Not gonna work, this is not happening. And then I
Speaker 2: started noticing on videos that I was puffy in the face,
Speaker 2: and I thought, like, I just had a baby. I
Speaker 2: had a baby three months ago, no one. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: puffy in the I'm retaining water, I'm nursing. But it
Speaker 2: wasn't right like I thought, And then I thought, am
Speaker 2: I having an allergic reaction? I started throwing away all
Speaker 2: my eye products.
Speaker 1: Neither one of us really thought much of it, because
Speaker 1: people were bringing it to our attention and down on
Speaker 1: the comment section of so many of our videos were like, Wow,
Speaker 1: how Roe, she just had a kid like come back.
Speaker 2: So it was women that started saying, Hey, your throat
Speaker 2: looks a little puffy, and that's how my throat looked
Speaker 2: before I got diagnosed with hypothyroidism or Graves disease or
Speaker 2: any kind of a thyroid issue. And I had no
Speaker 2: idea that I actually had hashimotives. So my daughter was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, let's just do a hash emotives test.
Speaker 2: You can just buy it online because I asked doctors
Speaker 2: and they're like, nope, nope, nope. They'll check your T three,
Speaker 2: they'll check your T four, they will check your TSH.
Speaker 1: What what are those things?
Speaker 2: These are?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: The TSH is what your thyroid? It's I don't like
Speaker 2: know all the scientific stuff behind it, honestly, Like I
Speaker 2: know that your body turns T four into T three.
Speaker 2: T four is your storage thyroid hormone. T three is
Speaker 2: your active Every.
Speaker 1: Every time I started talking about this, I started thinking
Speaker 1: of the terminator. Why T three T four, oh, terminator two.
Speaker 2: They can do a lot of damage, like seriously, and
Speaker 2: so they don't tend to check your antibodies. You're and
Speaker 2: if you have antibodies, if you have elevated TSH, you
Speaker 2: have low T four, and you have antibodies present, you
Speaker 2: have hashimotos. So it's so easy to just check when
Speaker 2: you're doing a thyroid panel, check the antibodies to see
Speaker 2: if the people are actually dealing with an autoimmune disease.
Speaker 2: But doctors won't do it right like and so my
Speaker 2: mom asked and asked enough. She had to go to
Speaker 2: three doctors to get one to finally test your antibodies,
Speaker 2: and sure enough it came back she had all the
Speaker 2: antibodies pairwered with the high TSH and the low T four.
Speaker 1: So you'd highly recommend these at home test. Kids.
Speaker 2: You can ask your doctor, like, okay, so some of
Speaker 2: the things that you could be experiencing if you have
Speaker 2: all kinds of autoimmune disease, and this is men and
Speaker 2: women is going to be fatigue, mostly weight gain. I
Speaker 2: experienced weight loss, which is kind of weird, but most
Speaker 2: people like weight gain. No matter what you eat, no
Speaker 2: matter how few calories, no matter if you're fasting, you're
Speaker 2: still gaining weight. You're falling asleep in the middle of
Speaker 2: the day, you're crashing mid day. We're told these are
Speaker 2: normal aging things.
Speaker 1: Right, you actually thought this was paramenopause.
Speaker 2: Potentially, I thought that, like, yeah, maybe I'm just going
Speaker 2: through paramenopause. Maybe this is hormonal shifts.
Speaker 1: And then you got me thinking because you're saying that
Speaker 1: ten percent of men are also diagnosed or undiagnosed yep,
Speaker 1: with hash emotives.
Speaker 2: Men are generally undiagnosed with hashimotives, and something that.
Speaker 1: Always attributed to I'm just getting older and so yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm more fatigued.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so hashi rotos can cause low tea in men,
Speaker 2: and so they'll say, oh, I just have low tea,
Speaker 2: But you don't just have low te something caused low tea,
Speaker 2: and just aging isn't always like that's not always the answer,
Speaker 2: especially like if you're in your early forties or you're
Speaker 2: in your late thirties and all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: notice your testosterone crashing, or you're losing hair, or you're
Speaker 2: gaining weight in your mid section. Heat intolerance and cold
Speaker 2: intolerance can be symptoms numbness in your fingers and toes,
Speaker 2: immune system issues. I'm trying to think of, like some
Speaker 2: of the other things, let me see, I wrote them down.
Speaker 2: I wrote a lot of stuff down because I didn't
Speaker 2: want to forget things. So weight gain, feeling cold and
Speaker 2: enlarge thyroid like in your throat, if your throat feels
Speaker 2: puffy and it flares, and then like a little go down.
Speaker 2: Hoarse voice like if all a sudden you feel like
Speaker 2: your voice is getting hoarse, or you feel like I
Speaker 2: had kind of a feeling of being choked, or just
Speaker 2: it felt like pressure.
Speaker 1: But you didn't really realize that until you began to alleviate,
Speaker 1: right symptom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, until I was aware of it when it started
Speaker 2: to go. Yeah, dry skin hair loss is a huge one.
Speaker 2: Joint and muscle pain if all of a sudden you're
Speaker 2: having this can be and then brain fog just overall
Speaker 2: forgetting things, not be able to find your words, things
Speaker 2: like that. And I think like almost anyone who's older
Speaker 2: can go I have some of these symptoms. It's worth
Speaker 2: looking into seeing if you can get an all over
Speaker 2: anybody test, because there's so many different autoimmune diseases and
Speaker 2: they're like on the rise. They're two hundred percent higher
Speaker 2: than they were before nineteen eighty.
Speaker 1: Why is that?
Speaker 2: You have to wonder?
Speaker 1: Right, So we'll get into that as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get into that a little bit as well.
Speaker 2: But like type one diabetes has doubled since nineteen ninety.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I have not tested for this. You do
Speaker 1: have me curious. So just rattling off so many little
Speaker 1: symptoms there, it's so easy to be dismissive of these things.
Speaker 2: Maybe I should take the test well, and so many
Speaker 2: things overlap.
Speaker 1: Well. The reason I bring this up is because I
Speaker 1: think we as men, like I'm somebody who's very reluctant
Speaker 1: to go to the doctor. Stupid of me, I realized that,
Speaker 1: and that's true for many men. But you should do it.
Speaker 1: You should stay up on top of things. You should
Speaker 1: know where you're at, and you should know whether or
Speaker 1: not you're able to alleviate any of the symptoms that
Speaker 1: you're coping with.
Speaker 2: Now, if you're going to a traditional doctrine, you're saying
Speaker 2: I want this test and this test and this test.
Speaker 2: Insurance is going to want to separate all those blood
Speaker 2: tests are going to be like, Okay, we're gonna do
Speaker 2: a Celiac test, We're going to do an MS test,
Speaker 2: which I've done all of these. We're going to do
Speaker 2: the Hashimoto UH test with the antibodies. We're going to test,
Speaker 2: you know, all these things. You can go online and
Speaker 2: there's these great little kits where you collect your prick
Speaker 2: your finger, you fill in the circles. There's also ones
Speaker 2: where they do the little micro needle. If you don't
Speaker 2: want to do the finger prick, which you know it
Speaker 2: hurts and sometimes you don't blame love and then you
Speaker 2: can't even do complete your test. So now I've found
Speaker 2: one that does like vials and it's micro needles and
Speaker 2: you don't even feel it, and you fill your little
Speaker 2: vial and you send it in. And there's so many
Speaker 2: different companies. We've used one called every Well, which is
Speaker 2: how I do my thyroid panel. I like to test
Speaker 2: every eight weeks now that I'm doing this diet to
Speaker 2: see if I'm heading in the right direction wrong direction.
Speaker 2: So they do one, but they don't do an all
Speaker 2: over autoimmune test, and there is a company that does
Speaker 2: it's like a three sixty autoimmune panel and it will
Speaker 2: check for MS diabetes. I'm trying to think of a
Speaker 2: rheumatard arthritis, hashimotos you name it. If it's an autoimmune disease,
Speaker 2: they test for it. Celiac disease, which our daughter has.
Speaker 2: So it's definitely worth just doing it and seeing if
Speaker 2: you have any anybodies.
Speaker 1: Or nothing to lose.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. So I had no idea besides my hair
Speaker 2: falling out and feeling puffy in the face. And I
Speaker 2: could have easily said I just had a baby, It's fine.
Speaker 2: But Navella was like, no, mom, just take the test.
Speaker 2: And she just happened to have a diory test up
Speaker 2: in her apartment because with Celiac often comes hashimotos.
Speaker 1: So and with her diagnosis, Neveda is like really really
Speaker 1: into all this stuff. Now. She broke down the genetic
Speaker 1: background on it as far as who can be a carrier. Right,
Speaker 1: parent wise, we think it's mean, what was the reason I.
Speaker 2: Got tested for the gene? So you have to carry
Speaker 2: the Celiac gene in order to develop Celiac disease, And
Speaker 2: so they checked me for the gene and the antibodies,
Speaker 2: and I don't have either.
Speaker 1: So by a cancelation, it's me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, by cancelation, it's you. So also the fact that
Speaker 2: she has Celiac disease gives our other offspring a twenty
Speaker 2: percent chance of having it because one parent has it
Speaker 2: and a sibling has it.
Speaker 1: So there you go. And I was completely oblivious to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we didn't know. And it's stuff that you
Speaker 2: just don't know, like people don't really know that, all.
Speaker 1: Right, So we're going to jump into what it is
Speaker 1: you've done to beat all of this. But you take
Speaker 1: the test, you get your results back, you actually go
Speaker 1: to the doctor. They confirmed this diagnosis.
Speaker 2: If they did their own blood tests because they didn't
Speaker 2: believe it. My levels were so bad they were like,
Speaker 2: something's off.
Speaker 1: The immediate remedy was to prescribe you level thyroxine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, love a thyroxcene. They put me on seventy five.
Speaker 1: Micrograms.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, seventy five micro Yeah, they put me instantly
Speaker 2: on seventy five micrograms. And then I had three nodules
Speaker 2: that were larger that they considered thyroid cysts on my thyroid,
Speaker 2: and so I had to have those biopsy to make
Speaker 2: sure that they weren't cancer and make sure.
Speaker 1: That they discover those is all done through ultrasound.
Speaker 2: Yes, they did an alter sound. Well they could just
Speaker 2: feel them. I can actually still kind of feel this one.
Speaker 1: It's they feel smaller though, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so like the doctor went, oh, yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: your thyroid is really inflamed. And then he went, I
Speaker 2: can feel like a nodule over here. I can feel these.
Speaker 2: So we did an altersound. I had three cysts on
Speaker 2: my thyroid. He was like, they're pretty large. I want
Speaker 2: to make sure that you don't have thyroid cancer. So
Speaker 2: I had to have a needle aspiration.
Speaker 1: And redocumented all that over a good experience.
Speaker 2: That was not a funny to watch.
Speaker 1: It was traumatic.
Speaker 2: It's pretty awful having needles stuck in your throat. It
Speaker 2: was fifteen needles, Like all you're awake.
Speaker 1: Who to watch it being done on you? It was
Speaker 1: like it was like a birth type of situation again,
Speaker 1: like I can't do anything to help you.
Speaker 2: It was pretty terrible. Sorry, yeah, I didn't like it
Speaker 2: at all. So anyway, that came back that it was
Speaker 2: just thyroid tissue, and so I thought, okay, I just
Speaker 2: have like so much inflammation going on. Thankfully I don't
Speaker 2: have thyroid cancer. Let's get to work fixing this. So
Speaker 2: the ear nose and throat doctor that did the biops,
Speaker 2: he told me, you need to double your level. You
Speaker 2: need to go to one hundred and fifty micrograms. He's like,
Speaker 2: I started you there and then I would probably end
Speaker 2: up doubling it again. And I'm like, so basically, you
Speaker 2: just go on level until it stops working, until your
Speaker 2: body is like, Okay, that's not enough like it.
Speaker 1: And this is really the crux of White is that
Speaker 1: we want to focus and discuss this because it's become
Speaker 1: so commonplace that we get so much feedback on our
Speaker 1: comment section from primarily other women, again because MENO tests
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Speaker 1: So what is it that you did to move on
Speaker 1: from the level. First of all, we can discuss the
Speaker 1: results of you taking the level, because they were mostly negative,
Speaker 1: they were not positive.
Speaker 2: The level with thyroxine is a synthetic form of T four,
Speaker 2: and because my T four was so low, so originally
Speaker 2: when I was diagnosed, I had a TSH level of
Speaker 2: ninety two. You want that to be abouto point five
Speaker 2: to four point five to be in the normal range.
Speaker 2: So ninety two was incredibly high. And basically that means
Speaker 2: that my thyroid is working so hard to try to
Speaker 2: produce hormone because my immune system is attacking it. So
Speaker 2: every time it produces thyroid, the immune system goes in
Speaker 2: there and craps all over it. And then so that's
Speaker 2: why your TSH goes up and your T four goes
Speaker 2: down when your antibodies are high. So my T four
Speaker 2: level was zero point one, zero point one. It should
Speaker 2: be point eight or one point seven or two to
Speaker 2: one point seven seven, So you want to be above
Speaker 2: a point eight, So being point one was like basically
Speaker 2: non existent, Like I had no T four at that point.
Speaker 2: And then my antibodies, which you want to be anywhere
Speaker 2: from zero to thirty four, were at two hundred and thirteen.
Speaker 2: So that's why the doctor was like two hundred and thirteen. Okay,
Speaker 2: Now I don't believe this blood test when he took it,
Speaker 2: it actually increased in that time, in that five day period,
Speaker 2: it's spiked all the way up to two fifty six
Speaker 2: more accurate, yeah, or it had just been longer, like
Speaker 2: I think I was just on such a flare that
Speaker 2: everything was just getting higher. So he instantly put me
Speaker 2: on leveo and then the level thyroxine is a t
Speaker 2: for it doesn't do anything for your antibodies, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't do anything for the root cause of hashimotos. So
Speaker 2: I'm not really interested in just treating the symptoms. I
Speaker 2: wanted to get to what caused my hashimotos, what is
Speaker 2: the root cause of this? And so when I went
Speaker 2: and did the aspiration test the biopsy, I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna go gluten free, and the doctor
Speaker 2: tells me diet does nothing. Eat your cinnamon rolls and
Speaker 2: take your medicine. That's what he told me. And I
Speaker 2: was so annoyed. And that was before the biopsy. So
Speaker 2: not only was I like in pain during the biopsy uncomfortable,
Speaker 2: I was mad at the doctor.
Speaker 1: When he said that. I glanced over at Melissa, and
Speaker 1: do you see the age. I knew it was there,
Speaker 1: which is why I think you glanced over at me.
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, We're not in the same page
Speaker 1: with this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, yeah, you're not my doctor, Like this is
Speaker 2: never gonna work. So he basically is in the business
Speaker 2: of just keeping people sick. Because love with thyroxine.
Speaker 1: As oftentimes a case yeah.
Speaker 2: Is now the fifth most popular prescribed medicine in America.
Speaker 1: Really yes.
Speaker 2: So there are millions and millions of people on love
Speaker 2: with thyroxine and they all still feel like garbage.
Speaker 1: So let's dive into that. Whatever. Some of the downsides
Speaker 1: to you taking the level.
Speaker 2: So the side effects of love with thyroxine are heart
Speaker 2: palpitations of racing heart feat. I experienced anxiety, which I
Speaker 2: think was probably a racing heart. I just didn't physically
Speaker 2: feel it, but I did feel. I'm an anxious person anyway,
Speaker 2: like I have contamination OCD and things like that, as
Speaker 2: you guys know, bacterial OCD, like things like I worry
Speaker 2: about getting sick. It's just something I have and it's
Speaker 2: caused from anxiety. And it definitely upped my anxiety, which
Speaker 2: I do not need because I'm already like and so
Speaker 2: I did feel more anxious. It does cause depression in
Speaker 2: a lot of people. I didn't feel depressed because I
Speaker 2: had just had Micah and I'm like on cloud nine
Speaker 2: with him right now, but I felt very anxious about
Speaker 2: everything that was going on with him that could happen
Speaker 2: to him. I was googling things for all the kids,
Speaker 2: like I just start Yeah. But it definitely increased my anxiety.
Speaker 2: It causes insomnia, which is a side effect. It can
Speaker 2: cause night sweats, which I was experiencing, and I thought
Speaker 2: maybe it was just a hormone dump. But it was
Speaker 2: basically like waking up with hot flashes, which is since alleviated.
Speaker 2: That's completely gone now. I haven't had a single one
Speaker 2: since going off of Levo. So the most extreme side
Speaker 2: effect I had was I stopped growing body hair.
Speaker 1: You were losing hair.
Speaker 2: All of the hair on my arms and my legs
Speaker 2: fell out, like fell out, and then I had like
Speaker 2: five hairs on my legs, like on the lower portion
Speaker 2: of my legs, like around my angles, where like it
Speaker 2: was be the thickest. I guess I had like five hairs,
Speaker 2: and so I shaved them off and for four weeks
Speaker 2: they did not grow back. Like nothing. Nobody hair hair
Speaker 2: like the hair on your.
Speaker 1: Head was was. I was concerned because it was rapid
Speaker 1: and it was it was a lot of hair.
Speaker 2: It was so much hair. So the thing that really
Speaker 2: bothered me about having hashimotives was the hair loss. Right
Speaker 2: because you know, especially in women, but in men too,
Speaker 2: because you know it shows on men, you lose it
Speaker 2: in the peninsulas, you lose it in the bat on.
Speaker 1: The way you're talking about.
Speaker 2: It's just you know, hormonal hair loss, male pattern baldness.
Speaker 2: Well women can't get that too, but women will get
Speaker 2: all over shedding and where you can see through their hair,
Speaker 2: and that is it makes you so insecure that you
Speaker 2: don't even want to go anywhere. You know, like if
Speaker 2: a woman has thin hair and you can see their scalp,
Speaker 2: people like, oh, are they sick? What's going on?
Speaker 1: It was really bad is when your hair was wet
Speaker 1: and so it was kind of chunky. I mean you
Speaker 1: you could see myself looked crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was insane. So and this was in October.
Speaker 2: It happened so suddenly I went on the level my
Speaker 2: hair started falling out twice as much, and then it
Speaker 2: wasn't growing on my body, so I knew that it
Speaker 2: wasn't growing on my hat.
Speaker 1: Also, some of you had questions and concerns about whether
Speaker 1: or not she was going to be passing this along
Speaker 1: to Micah And if you watch it our most recent
Speaker 1: Hawaii video, and we went to Maui he's got like
Speaker 1: the George Coristanza horseshoe going on. We figured out that
Speaker 1: he was also losing his hair, So not only were
Speaker 1: you experiencing this very uh like massive drawback and symptom,
Speaker 1: but he was experiencing it as wells.
Speaker 2: By going on level thyroxine, I poisoning your body. I
Speaker 2: asked every doctor. I was like, is this safe for nursing? Yes,
Speaker 2: it's one hundred percent safe. We've done all these tests.
Speaker 2: There's no effects on baby. Even if you chat gpt
Speaker 2: it or anything like that. Considered safe for breastfeeding. They
Speaker 2: actually up your dose if you're pregnant negative because they
Speaker 2: want to make sure that you're producing fire because you
Speaker 2: can do not do it.
Speaker 1: Please do not do that, ye speaking from experience. Hair.
Speaker 2: As soon as I started taking the love with thyroxine,
Speaker 2: Micah's hair started falling out like male pattern bald. No,
Speaker 2: it's like George kustans At the whole top of his
Speaker 2: hair went bald. He got the thickest cradle cap like
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, and we discovered that it was a
Speaker 2: form of egzema. It wasn't like fungal cradle cap. And
Speaker 2: then he got ezma throughout his entire body. He developed
Speaker 2: a almost like a water allergy. Anytime I would put
Speaker 2: him in the bath, he would start screaming, and then
Speaker 2: afterwards his body would get these big welts all over it.
Speaker 2: And then I would put the eggzaa lotion and that
Speaker 2: would kind of alleviate it. But then the exma would
Speaker 2: be right back, right back, right back, and.
Speaker 1: Then again the second you stopped with the level, history
Speaker 1: began the group grow back, and then he was experiencing
Speaker 1: these same pains.
Speaker 2: Well. I was asking the doctor, I'm like, could the
Speaker 2: exama be from the level thyroxy? No, absolutely not, It's
Speaker 2: not from that, I'm like, but it started the week
Speaker 2: I started taking Levo and his hair started falling out,
Speaker 2: like I could kind of scratch the top of his
Speaker 2: head and his hair would come out in chunks. And
Speaker 2: then I decided after six weeks, I went to blood
Speaker 2: work after six weeks because they wanted to up my level,
Speaker 2: so I went in. So this is November eleventh, six
Speaker 2: weeks on level thyroxine, my TSH had lowered from ninety
Speaker 2: two to thirty eight, and I thought, okay, that's good.
Speaker 2: My T four had gone from zero point one to
Speaker 2: point eight four now considered low and normal. But I
Speaker 2: was like, so what Because leveo thyroxine is just fake
Speaker 2: T four. So the blood test was only detecting the
Speaker 2: level thyroxine. It wasn't my body wasn't producing T four,
Speaker 2: It was just fake T four that was in there.
Speaker 2: My antibodies were at one ninety two, so those hadn't improved.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, wait a minute, So my antibodies
Speaker 2: are still sky high, and all that's happening is I
Speaker 2: have a fake T four reading, And because I have
Speaker 2: a fake T four reading, my TSH is going down.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people report, Okay, I'm on level thyroxine,
Speaker 2: My TSH levels are fine, my T three is fine,
Speaker 2: my t he for is fine, So my blood work
Speaker 2: is reading normal, but I still feel like garbage. Why
Speaker 2: And it's because LEVO is never going to get to
Speaker 2: the root cause of what caused your hashimotoves or your
Speaker 2: hypothyroidism or your grave disease.
Speaker 1: You're not addressing the disease.
Speaker 2: You're masking it, right, You're putting a band aid on it.
Speaker 2: And so when I saw the antibody still high, I
Speaker 2: decided I'm not taking another level thyroxy pill. They were like,
Speaker 2: you got to wean yourself off it. I was like, no, garbage,
Speaker 2: I'm not taking it, and I'm not advocating for you
Speaker 2: to do that, especially if you've been on a long time.
Speaker 2: I had only been on Leveo for six weeks, but
Speaker 2: if you've been on it for years. I do think
Speaker 2: it's important to wean off of it. But your doctor
Speaker 2: is going to fight you on that. You must have
Speaker 2: a reason for them, because you can't just go from
Speaker 2: something your body's depending on.
Speaker 1: Some kind of like withdrawal symptoms.
Speaker 2: I didn't, but I'm sure you would like I think
Speaker 2: that it's important to wean yourself off of it, like
Speaker 2: maybe do I don't know. You'd have to research it.
Speaker 2: I'm not a medical professonal. I'm not going to tell
Speaker 2: you how to get off I'm not going to tell
Speaker 2: you to get off your med. That's something you need
Speaker 2: to discuss with your natural path or your doctor.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to tell you for sure.
Speaker 2: How to wean off of it. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: do that. So, but if you are experiencing any of
Speaker 2: these symptoms, if you're still feeling like garbage, I know
Speaker 2: that there is something called armor thyroid. It's pig thyroid,
Speaker 2: and so you can get that through your doctor, so
Speaker 2: you could ask to switch over to armor. They don't
Speaker 2: like to use armor because every pig is different and
Speaker 2: therefore they can't regulate the pills. They're all over the place,
Speaker 2: like the levels of T four that it's going to
Speaker 2: be supplying you with is not regulated. So the FDA
Speaker 2: doesn't like it, insurance doesn't like it, doctors don't like it.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people report feeling way better on
Speaker 2: the armor.
Speaker 1: So despite the warning that was provided to us by
Speaker 1: the doctor that did your biopsy, you opted instead to passue.
Speaker 1: But a change in your diet. You ain't complete page two?
Speaker 1: You page two, You ain't complete the gluten free right?
Speaker 1: What have the been the results here?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I made him massive diet change, massive massive
Speaker 2: diet change. I have gone gluten free, dairy free, sugar free,
Speaker 2: soy free, processed food free. I think that's it.
Speaker 1: What's left.
Speaker 2: Air, whole foods, Whole foods are what's left. So a
Speaker 2: lot of people were like, you should go carnivore. The
Speaker 2: reason that I didn't go carnivore is because I really
Speaker 2: enjoy fruits and vegetables, and I do enjoy like a
Speaker 2: good warm starch, like I can't eat pasta and bread anymore,
Speaker 2: which was my you know, I am Greek. I like
Speaker 2: the pastas and the breads and the old buzz you know,
Speaker 2: like the euros and the spinacle bit uhs and oh
Speaker 2: all the things. But I cannot have those things anymore.
Speaker 2: So I still want to have some kind of a
Speaker 2: warm starch, you know what I mean. Like, so I'll
Speaker 2: break down my diet. So this might be where you
Speaker 2: want to grab a pen or a pencil if you
Speaker 2: want to consider some of these things. You don't have
Speaker 2: to do all of this. I did all of it
Speaker 2: because I figured, what's the point. If I'm already not
Speaker 2: getting the yummy or aviolis, then I might as well
Speaker 2: make sure that this is working, because if I'm giving
Speaker 2: up bread and pasta, this has better work. And so
Speaker 2: that's why I went really strict with my diet. So
Speaker 2: I went off all gluten. I went off all dairy.
Speaker 2: That's all dairy products, guys, which is really difficult to do.
Speaker 2: I thought that I could still maybe have grass fed butter,
Speaker 2: and I'm realizing that I can't. So that's the new
Speaker 2: thing I'm giving up. I went off all added sugar,
Speaker 2: raw honey, or monk fruit or that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: Monkfruit I don't like. I think it tastes yucky. But
Speaker 2: if you can stomach monk fruit, you can have that,
Speaker 2: which is like a grandul or sugar if you want
Speaker 2: a bake or something like that. But raw honey is
Speaker 2: pretty much my only sweeter at this point. That and fruit. Now,
Speaker 2: I didn't go carnivore your carnivore for the most part,
Speaker 2: it was I.
Speaker 1: Haven't been doing a great job with that as of late,
Speaker 1: primarily because Comin and I have been running, and so
Speaker 1: I feel like I need just more carbohydrates in my
Speaker 1: life for energy. See. But I've come on here and
Speaker 1: explained before that the best I've ever felt by farbles
Speaker 1: when I was doing Carnivore, we had the podcast episode
Speaker 1: we did with doctor ken Berry. You can refer back
Speaker 1: to that if you were curious about carnivor. But yeah,
Speaker 1: for me and my state of being, I had fantastic results.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, I know that that's not sustainable for me
Speaker 2: because I just enjoy all of those things that I
Speaker 2: just mentioned, fruits, vegetables, and some warm starches. I know
Speaker 2: that I don't really love me and I'm allergic to pork.
Speaker 2: So if you're allergic to park pork, carnivore sucks.
Speaker 1: We just found this out too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did a food sensitivity test because any foods
Speaker 2: that you're sensitive to are going to cause inflammation in
Speaker 2: your body. And the whole point of this diet is
Speaker 2: to reduce your inflammation. And so you also should do
Speaker 2: a food sensitivity test. You can do that. I did
Speaker 2: mine through every well also, and I did more extensive one.
Speaker 2: It breaks down I think like two hundred and sixty foods.
Speaker 2: I found out that I am absolutely allergic to pork.
Speaker 2: Like it was like, do not eat pork. So if
Speaker 2: you can't have the bacon and the ham and the
Speaker 2: pulled pork and all that in carnivore, forget it for me.
Speaker 2: Like I just forget it. I'm not doing it. No
Speaker 2: bueno can do bacon. No bacon for me. So that's
Speaker 2: that's another fun development.
Speaker 1: As an example, can you tell us what you had
Speaker 1: for maybe dinner last night and breakfast this morning?
Speaker 2: Okay, So for the only starches that I'm eating are yams,
Speaker 2: sweet potato, and moderation yam's going to be better, and
Speaker 2: steel cutoats that is not. They need to be gluten free.
Speaker 2: So I'm using the Bob's Mill steel cutouts, not old
Speaker 2: fashion oats because those are higher on the glycimic index.
Speaker 2: You want steel cut because those are really low on
Speaker 2: the glycimic index. Because something else that causes inflammation is
Speaker 2: blood sugar spikes. So you don't want to eat something
Speaker 2: that's going to spike your blood sugar really really high.
Speaker 2: And that's just that's going to cause inflammation. It's going
Speaker 2: to make your hashemotives or whatever autoimmune disease you have,
Speaker 2: whether it's MS or arthritis or irritable ball syndrome, it's
Speaker 2: going to make anything like that. It's going to make
Speaker 2: it worse. And so you definitely want to make sure
Speaker 2: that you're maintaining a healthy blood sugar. And so a
Speaker 2: way that you can do that when you have a starch,
Speaker 2: just to pair it with a protein, but also eat
Speaker 2: things that are really low on the glassmic index. So
Speaker 2: instead of eating white rice, I eat brown rice. Now,
Speaker 2: something you have to keep in mind with brown rice
Speaker 2: is arsenic because white rice doesn't have the whole around it,
Speaker 2: the little cat thing. The part that makes it brown,
Speaker 2: the part that makes it brown rice that is shed
Speaker 2: off of the white rice. And that's the part that
Speaker 2: it's going to hold arsenic from its growing conditions and
Speaker 2: from its soil. So you want to know where your
Speaker 2: brown rice is coming from. I buy my brown rice from.
Speaker 2: I don't want to say it wrong because it's super important.
Speaker 2: I think it's Lundi Lundberg Farms. Okay. Lundberg Farms is
Speaker 2: a farm in California, and you're welcome. Lundberg Farms not
Speaker 2: a sponser. I just like the rice. They are a
Speaker 2: farm in California. They're organic, and they are the only
Speaker 2: brown rice farm that tests their rice for arsenic. It
Speaker 2: has way lower arsenic levels then even just your traditional
Speaker 2: white rice and all brown rice. You do not want
Speaker 2: to be buying brown rice out of China or anything
Speaker 2: like that, like cheap brown rice. Don't do it. I
Speaker 2: know it's tempting. Don't get the organic rice from California
Speaker 2: that is tested regularly for arsenic. Every single batch is tested,
Speaker 2: and then you can even make it less arsenic. Buy
Speaker 2: you put it in the pan and soak it, like
Speaker 2: if you know you're gonna have brown rice for dinner.
Speaker 2: Put it in your pan, cover it with filtered water,
Speaker 2: and let it sit all day, and then drain it
Speaker 2: and then rinse it. You're good to go. Like then
Speaker 2: you're in really really good shape. So yams are way
Speaker 2: lower on the glycemic index, are lower in sugar and
Speaker 2: your body and higher and fibers, so your body breaks
Speaker 2: them down slower and they're sweet like it gives you
Speaker 2: that warm starchy to me, like that works. I can't
Speaker 2: have bread, but I can have a warm meam. I
Speaker 2: can't put butter in the warm meam, but I can
Speaker 2: have it. You can put a little honey, cook it,
Speaker 2: slow cook it in the oven. All the sugars kind
Speaker 2: of come out of it delicious.
Speaker 1: What do you have for breakfast this morning?
Speaker 2: This morning, I had steel cut oats and I cooked
Speaker 2: a banana into it, and then to add protein, because
Speaker 2: I want to pair my starches with protein, I added
Speaker 2: some vanilla beef protein powder. It's a very very clean
Speaker 2: we get our protein. I usually equip vanilla protein and
Speaker 2: just because it's so clean, so I did a scoop
Speaker 2: of that to add twenty grams of protein, and then
Speaker 2: slivered almonds and then just organic cinnamon. It tastes like
Speaker 2: gouey banana bread, but you get all this protein in it,
Speaker 2: you don't have to add any sweeteners. Like that's typically
Speaker 2: my breakfast and I share it with Mica, Like Mica
Speaker 2: and I both eat that baby food. I eat baby food.
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Speaker 1: Does this required a lot more effort out of EA
Speaker 1: as far as preparing.
Speaker 2: Meals, Yeah, because when you're eating zero processed foods, you
Speaker 2: have to cook everything. So what I try to do
Speaker 2: so that I don't skip lunch because no one wants
Speaker 2: to cook in the middle of the day, is every
Speaker 2: time I make dinner, I make a little bit extra
Speaker 2: for the next day's lunch, and then I put in
Speaker 2: my little Pyrex glass container because we don't want to
Speaker 2: be putting hot foods or anything that you're going to
Speaker 2: be heating up in plastic. And then I eat it,
Speaker 2: and then I yell at Jermy for eating it. Literally,
Speaker 2: Like sometimes I will look over at ten o'clock a night,
Speaker 2: is I'm going to bed night here clan, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what are you eating? And he's like, oh, it's some
Speaker 2: kind of a yam concoction.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, oh, okay, that has gotten better.
Speaker 1: I did it a couple of times, I got in
Speaker 1: trouble and then it stopped. I've gotten better.
Speaker 2: It wasn't worth it.
Speaker 1: I seafood and he's sitting there, I'm probably gonna eat.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if it's something you can pop in the
Speaker 2: microwation that looks hardy. He's like, well, I have to
Speaker 2: eat that at midnight, like he has eaten my lunch
Speaker 2: so many times. Or I'm like Jeremy if it's like,
Speaker 2: don't so okay. Very common dinner for me is going
Speaker 2: to be yambles, I call them. So. I take a yam,
Speaker 2: I peel it, I dice it up in the little squares,
Speaker 2: and I cook it with grass bed grass finished organic beef.
Speaker 2: So it's very very important that your meat and all
Speaker 2: of your produce, and especially if you're gonna be doing
Speaker 2: yams and sweet potatoes. These are root vegetables, guys going
Speaker 2: to pull everything out of the soil. And if you're
Speaker 2: not buying organic, which literally the price of an organic
Speaker 2: yam at Safeway was two fifty the price of the
Speaker 2: regular yam was two thirty four, just buy the organic one,
Speaker 2: like please, Because any kind of a root vegetable we're
Speaker 2: talking carrots, beets, and any kind of potato is going
Speaker 2: to pull every kind of heavy metal arsnic anything that's
Speaker 2: in that soil, it's going to pull into the food,
Speaker 2: and so that if they're treating their soil with you
Speaker 2: know the word.
Speaker 1: Lifeless eate, glyce glase choices, glate, round up.
Speaker 2: I tried for about a half an hour this morning
Speaker 2: to just say the word round up. Essentially, if they're
Speaker 2: spraying that on their farms, that's going to they go in, yes,
Speaker 2: which they are, that's going to go into the soil,
Speaker 2: and then all your root vegetables is going to pull
Speaker 2: that into So it's just really important if you're trying
Speaker 2: to clean up your diet to eat organic. Please, if
Speaker 2: you can't grow your own, buy organic.
Speaker 1: It's on this diet.
Speaker 2: Since I've been on this diet since I did the biopsy,
Speaker 2: so it's been almost three months.
Speaker 1: And in monitoring your levels would have been the results.
Speaker 2: Okay, so eight weeks off the level of thyroxine. The
Speaker 2: last blood test I did was January third, three months
Speaker 2: on the diet. Eight weeks off the level of thyroxine.
Speaker 2: This is diet and supplement alone. I'll get into supplements
Speaker 2: in a second here. So my TSH was the same
Speaker 2: that it was on the level. It was stuck at
Speaker 2: thirty eight so it's been thirty eight since I started
Speaker 2: the level. That is down two thirds from when I
Speaker 2: was diagnosed, so that's still way too high. I need
Speaker 2: it to be like a changing, big change. It didn't
Speaker 2: go up. I expected it to go up going off
Speaker 2: the level, and it didn't, so that made me happy.
Speaker 2: My T four is ZO point five now, which is
Speaker 2: considered low normal, but it's lower than it was on
Speaker 2: the level. But it was point one when I started.
Speaker 2: It's now point five. It has gone up five times
Speaker 2: what it was and it's now in that normal range,
Speaker 2: so I'm hoping that it continues going up. The only
Speaker 2: reason it was at one point eighty six when I
Speaker 2: was on the level is because my blood had level
Speaker 2: with thyroxine in it and it was detecting the level,
Speaker 2: So I'm assuming that my natural T four was actually
Speaker 2: lower than it is now. So now it's only been
Speaker 2: three months since I've been on the diet, and they
Speaker 2: do say they say that it takes anywhere from six
Speaker 2: to nine months to see real improvement, so it's still
Speaker 2: really early on. But here's the cool part. My TPO
Speaker 2: antibodies on our last on my last test after three
Speaker 2: months on the diet are fifty six. They were two
Speaker 2: hundred on the level. They were two hundred when I
Speaker 2: was diagnosed, and now they're fifty six.
Speaker 1: It's curzy.
Speaker 2: So I've cut them by seventy five percent, which means
Speaker 2: I'm getting that inflammation down. So basically, what when the
Speaker 2: antibodies are high. The antibody spike when it has something
Speaker 2: to attack, and so it attack your thyroid. But this
Speaker 2: is why you have to go gluten free, dairy free,
Speaker 2: corn free. There's a bunch of things. Okay, So the
Speaker 2: reason that you have to go gluten free, or that
Speaker 2: I believe you have to go gluten free, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people that say, Nope, there's no evidence.
Speaker 2: I'm literally looking at the evidence, like I'm the evidence
Speaker 2: that going on this diet and using these certain supplements
Speaker 2: that I'm going to tell you about does lower your antibodies.
Speaker 2: And then I'm going to do another blood test in
Speaker 2: another month, which will be another eight weeks since my
Speaker 2: last blood test, and I'm just going to keep doing it,
Speaker 2: and then I'll keep updating you guys, because if I
Speaker 2: start going in the wrong direction, I want to let
Speaker 2: you know in case you're following along or you're trying
Speaker 2: some of this stuff, and then if I continue going
Speaker 2: in the right direction, I want to continue to encourage
Speaker 2: people that are following along or trying this for themselves.
Speaker 2: So the reason that you can't do gluten is because
Speaker 2: there is a protein call I don't know if I'm
Speaker 2: saying this right, but it's cleodin, sure, cleodin, gleodin, I
Speaker 2: don't know anyway, It's a protein that is in wheat
Speaker 2: and other gluten products that the molecule literally looks identical
Speaker 2: to your thyroid hormones. So your body, when you have hashimotos,
Speaker 2: your immune system will literally like put these little sticky
Speaker 2: notes essentially on your thyroid hormone. And so every time
Speaker 2: that it sees something that it thinks is thyroid hormone,
Speaker 2: it tries to attack it and destroy it, which is
Speaker 2: really annoying. I hate when like your body turns on itself. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's doing it because there's something that's causing it, right,
Speaker 2: So that'sought I would like to essentially figure out, is
Speaker 2: what caused the hashimotives in the first place, or maybe
Speaker 2: it's just genetic and it's just something that I have.
Speaker 2: So every time that I eat gluten, and I have
Speaker 2: gluten proteins floating around. My immune system is like get
Speaker 2: them and it will way overproduce antibodies. I do. I
Speaker 2: feel like I type flaify, I get puffy, my throat
Speaker 2: gets puffy, my voice it's hors horsh horse, and I
Speaker 2: just feel like joint pain, like I can really feel
Speaker 2: it now, but I can really feel it, like in
Speaker 2: my thyroid, I can see it and feel it. I
Speaker 2: can go ooh, my thyrate's puffy today, like now I
Speaker 2: know what it's supposed to feel like. And then I
Speaker 2: can feel if it puffs, and it's really uncomfortable. And
Speaker 2: so if you eat gluten, your antibodies are going to
Speaker 2: stay elevated. So it's not like, oh, I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: take one bite of that cookie. You take a bite
Speaker 2: of that cookie and then your antibodies are going to spike,
Speaker 2: and then you're gonna have a flare, And so it's
Speaker 2: better to just stay off the protein or I mean,
Speaker 2: stay off the gluten so you don't have that protein
Speaker 2: floating around, because then your TPO antibodies aren't going to spike.
Speaker 1: What do you mean the stigma associated with going gluten
Speaker 1: free because so many people out there scuff it and
Speaker 1: myself included. Yeah, you know, prior to all of this occurring, well, people.
Speaker 2: Say, you know, if you just eat organic wheat, or
Speaker 2: if you order your wheat from Italy, Italy doesn't have
Speaker 2: like navig this is all the time. Italy doesn't have celiacs. Actually,
Speaker 2: Italy does have a lot of celiacs and they regularly
Speaker 2: test for it because they have better medical than us apparently.
Speaker 2: And so eating organic or eating all natural, I could
Speaker 2: grow wheat in the world's most perfect little patch of
Speaker 2: non contaminated soil, and it's still going to carry this
Speaker 2: glidion protein, and so we have an autoimmune disease, not
Speaker 2: a food and tolerance. And so it's different. No matter
Speaker 2: what wheat we eat, it still carries the protein. It's
Speaker 2: impossible to not have that protein in the wheat, and
Speaker 2: eating sour dough does not get rid of it. Nothing does.
Speaker 2: So the trick is going gluten free because then you
Speaker 2: eliminate the protein. Now, dairy is very similar. Dairy has
Speaker 2: it's called is it casin casine? Casine casine in dairy.
Speaker 1: I believe it.
Speaker 2: Casine looks identical to the gluten protein, which looks identical
Speaker 2: to the thyroid protein. At least it looks similar enough
Speaker 2: that it mimics it in the body, and so your
Speaker 2: immune system is going to attack it. So dairy's the same,
Speaker 2: and that includes all dairy products.
Speaker 1: We have a lactose intolerant person in our family as well,
Speaker 1: being Cail. So between me and I make my efforts
Speaker 1: to do carnivore, you guys are your gluten free diet,
Speaker 1: and now she has to follow this lactose free diet.
Speaker 1: Our household is a mess, all right.
Speaker 2: Basically the trick is, I mean, whole foods and no dairy,
Speaker 2: no gluten.
Speaker 1: Don't invite us over for dinner.
Speaker 2: Just forget it. Literally forget it. We're going to bring
Speaker 2: our own food and we just might as well not come.
Speaker 2: So dairy's going to be the same thing. It's going
Speaker 2: to trigger your autoimmune disease. And then dairy is really
Speaker 2: inflammatory for all people. You don't even have to have
Speaker 2: autoimmune disease to have dairy flare you up if you
Speaker 2: have any kind of gut issues.
Speaker 1: I came up in our discussion with doctor Ken Barry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like we're not baby cows, is what he says.
Speaker 2: We're not supposed to eat it, and even cows no
Speaker 2: better than to eat dairy, Like why are the bowls
Speaker 2: not trying to m And it's because like they know better,
Speaker 2: But like human beings are like, you know, just ingesting
Speaker 2: cow milk, and it causes inflammation in the gut, It
Speaker 2: causes all kinds of bwel issues. It causes inflammation in
Speaker 2: your joints and your muscles, and so it's just really
Speaker 2: not that great for you. It increases acne, especially in teenagers.
Speaker 2: So anyway, that's why I went dairy free and then
Speaker 2: corn free, which is hard because the reason I think
Speaker 2: I flared after Hawaii is because I was trying to
Speaker 2: eat at restaurants and so like I order fish tacos
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, we can't do flour tortillas, but
Speaker 2: we have gluten free corn tortillas, and I thought, sure,
Speaker 2: I'll try it. So corn and corn products, which you
Speaker 2: have to be really careful because when you go gluten free,
Speaker 2: you're going to be tempted to go to the gluten
Speaker 2: free isle of the grocery store and go, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: there's brown easier in corn bread, and there's cookies, there's
Speaker 2: gluten free oreos there's gluten free cheese uts now that
Speaker 2: just came out. Those are selling for like thirty dollars
Speaker 2: a box. Because all the Celiacs are rejoicing. But if
Speaker 2: you're on, if you have hasheymotos or other autoimmune diseases,
Speaker 2: then you need to be really careful that you avoid
Speaker 2: these processed gluten free foods because they're really just a
Speaker 2: chemical crap storm. Like when you start reading, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they remove the gluten, but they weigh up the seed oils,
Speaker 2: they wig up the sugar. This is just highly processed
Speaker 2: garbage food. Do not eat the gluten free mixes and
Speaker 2: all of that stuff. It's just really not good for you.
Speaker 2: And so a lot of it is cornflour, like all
Speaker 2: of the like if you get like gluten free biscuits,
Speaker 2: the red lobster gluten free biscuits. I know a lot
Speaker 2: of Celiacs and people with the hashymotos are like, oh,
Speaker 2: the cheddar biscuits are so good. Those are made with cornflour,
Speaker 2: and that is going to flare you in the same
Speaker 2: way that gluten's going to flare you. So you might
Speaker 2: as well just have a regular biscuit, but really don't
Speaker 2: have the biscuits. Pea lectin is another one, so peas,
Speaker 2: which includes snow peas. So if you're going to be
Speaker 2: doing a lot of fruits and vegetables, just you can
Speaker 2: pretty much have any fruit and vegetable except for pea luctance,
Speaker 2: which is in the pea family. You're talking green peas
Speaker 2: or soy like you know atamamme or anything like that,
Speaker 2: Well that's soy. You also don't want to have soy
Speaker 2: because soy inhibits the thyroid hormone conversion the tea four
Speaker 2: to T three. So just avoid all soy and then
Speaker 2: especially soy sauce because that has gluten in it also,
Speaker 2: so no shoyu. So instead of if you're gonna be
Speaker 2: doing if you're gonna be going out for sushi or
Speaker 2: something like that, really watch those sauces. Bring I literally
Speaker 2: travel with lick of coconut aminos. Coconut aminos taste similar
Speaker 2: to soy sauce, it's a little sweeter. But if you're
Speaker 2: going to be making sturf fries or anything like that,
Speaker 2: you like Asian foods, coconut aminos that's gonna be your jam,
Speaker 2: So you can do that. Again, no sugar, no sugar.
Speaker 2: No sugar, No sugar that is going to it's gonna
Speaker 2: spike your blood sugar, which is going to cause inflammation.
Speaker 2: And then also it's just poison to the body. Nobody
Speaker 2: needs it. Everybody should cut sugar from their diet everybody.
Speaker 2: So raw organic honey you can sweeten with that. Honey
Speaker 2: can spike your blood sugar. So of course moderation like
Speaker 2: I don't mean like drink it by the gallon, but
Speaker 2: if you're going to be like drizzling it on some
Speaker 2: steel cutouts or over some fruit or you know, you
Speaker 2: just want something sweet in your tea, that's going to
Speaker 2: be what you want to do. And honey is an
Speaker 2: anti viral, it's an anti inflammatory, which is great, and
Speaker 2: I mean it's even an anti fungal. I don't know
Speaker 2: why you would have fungus in your body, but like
Speaker 2: it's honey, isn't an amazing thing that God gave us.
Speaker 2: So you can always sweet sweeten with that. Seed oils,
Speaker 2: especially canola oil or something that you definitely want to avoid.
Speaker 2: That's another thing is when you start buying gluten free
Speaker 2: products they're salt seed oils, like people will be like, oh,
Speaker 2: I can have sweet potato chips. Make sure that those
Speaker 2: are cooked in avocado oil, and that the only ingredients
Speaker 2: of sweet potato and avocado oil and some sea salt. Oh,
Speaker 2: and then so the main thing is just no processed food.
Speaker 2: So for me, carnivore is not something that I can
Speaker 2: do or want to do for the rest of my life.
Speaker 2: Some a lot of I know people are gonna get mad.
Speaker 2: That's very controversial to say, but I don't enjoy meat
Speaker 2: to the degree that that's the only thing that I'm
Speaker 2: going to eat for the rest of my life. And
Speaker 2: I can't have the butter, and I can't have the bacon.
Speaker 1: So it's not controversial. That's personal preference.
Speaker 2: Just personal preference. So for me, I've gone on the
Speaker 2: whole food's diet. There's only a few whole foods that
Speaker 2: I can't eat. I don't do a lot of cod
Speaker 2: codon moderation, even though it's a good white fish, because
Speaker 2: it's very high in io dyeing, which you have to
Speaker 2: be careful with with your thyroid. Also a very controversial,
Speaker 2: controversial thing to say, and I'll get into why. But
Speaker 2: salmon's really good. Make sure that you are not eating
Speaker 2: farmery salmon farmery salmon is some of the most contaminated
Speaker 2: food that you can eat. It is disgusting. They dyet
Speaker 2: the color that that pretty pink color. The reason and
Speaker 2: it looks so pretty compared to the wild caught salmon
Speaker 2: is because they add die to it and it's like
Speaker 2: so thick, and like everyone's like, oh, look how beautiful
Speaker 2: it is. It's so bad for you. It's so toxic.
Speaker 2: It has so many contaminants in it. So make sure
Speaker 2: that you're doing wild caught seafood only. And then I'm
Speaker 2: doing all clean seafood. I'm not doing shellfish or anything
Speaker 2: like that. I'm kind of doing the whole kosher thing.
Speaker 2: And so salmon and halibit are really good thing. They like,
Speaker 2: really good proteins to have. And then all grass fed beef.
Speaker 2: Don't eat corn finished beef for obvious reasons. We're avoiding
Speaker 2: the corn. And then just grass fed is leaner and
Speaker 2: better for you. Lamb is amazing grass fed. And then
Speaker 2: you're gonna want organic chicken. And I like to do
Speaker 2: dark meat chicken because I'm trying to increase my fat
Speaker 2: intake because I'm having a really hard time holding weight
Speaker 2: on the whole food diet. If you have a hard
Speaker 2: time losing weight, this diet is going to make you
Speaker 2: lose weight. You literally cannot lose weight. If you switch
Speaker 2: to all whole foods and you cut out your sugar,
Speaker 2: your dairy, you're you're going to lose weight. My mom
Speaker 2: could not lose weight for anything. She was eating barely,
Speaker 2: I mean like the smallest amount of calories, and then
Speaker 2: she went on this diet and she dropped twenty pounds.
Speaker 2: She's like, whoo, So, anyway, this has been it's been
Speaker 2: really good. So that's kind of basically any fruit, any vegetable,
Speaker 2: any protein except for avoid the pea.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of information. Grab a pen and pencil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nice about this. And then as far as supplementation goes,
Speaker 1: you to run over that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run over the no alcohol is another big thing.
Speaker 2: Cut the alcohol, replace it with camma meltea. The reason
Speaker 2: I say camomel is because black tea and green tea
Speaker 2: have very high fluoride levels in which is something that
Speaker 2: people don't think about. Fluoride interferes with your thyroid tremendously,
Speaker 2: and just organic cammameltea has one one hundredth of the
Speaker 2: fluoride that black tea or green tea has. That's a
Speaker 2: good thing to have at night instead of wine. That
Speaker 2: was a hard one. Okay. So for supplements, supplements I
Speaker 2: want to be really careful on because you don't want
Speaker 2: to take a supplement that you're not or you don't
Speaker 2: want to up a supplement that you're not deficient in.
Speaker 2: So it's very important to find out what are your deficiencies.
Speaker 2: Go get a deficiency test. You can do them through
Speaker 2: the mail, or you can do them through your doctor.
Speaker 2: If you fight to you on them. Do them through
Speaker 2: the mail, super easy to do. You get results in
Speaker 2: like a week. So especially iodine now it's very popular
Speaker 2: because there are popular people online that say high dose
Speaker 2: iodine for hashimotos. Please please be cautious with this because
Speaker 2: if you are not iodine deficient, and if you live
Speaker 2: in America or in a country where they add the
Speaker 2: iodine to the salt, it is very unlikely that you
Speaker 2: are iodine deficient. So if you are iodine deficient, that's
Speaker 2: going to hurt your thyroid. And yes, you need to
Speaker 2: supplement with iodine. But if you're using iodize salt, if
Speaker 2: you're just eating a typical American diet. You're probably not
Speaker 2: iodine deficient. Do an iodine test and make sure. Do
Speaker 2: not just start taking high dose iodine if you are
Speaker 2: not deficient, because you will make your Hashimotos significantly worse.
Speaker 2: Like it can be, it can make it so much worse.
Speaker 2: So please be very cautious with that. I don't supplement
Speaker 2: with iodine at all. I get a little bit of
Speaker 2: iodine through cod and I get a little iodine through salt,
Speaker 2: and I did an iodine deficiency test and I was
Speaker 2: actually like almost on the higher range, but still in normal.
Speaker 2: So I do not want to add that to my diet.
Speaker 2: Selenium is going to be your best friend if you
Speaker 2: have Hashimoto's disease. Selenium is going to help your TSH
Speaker 2: regulate and it's going to protect your thyroid. And so
Speaker 2: I take all liquid vitamins except for two. So I
Speaker 2: do this in the liquid form. I go through a
Speaker 2: company called Global Healing. It's just where I currently found
Speaker 2: a decent deal. I take two hundred mcgs micrograms a selenium.
Speaker 2: So what I do is I take a little bit
Speaker 2: of orange juice, simply orange, because I don't want anything
Speaker 2: in my orangejuice but orange so I do a little
Speaker 2: bit of orange juice. I do two hundred mcgs of selenium.
Speaker 2: It's just a one dropper. And then I take fifteen
Speaker 2: milligrams of zinc and I also get that through the
Speaker 2: Global Healing Liquid. And then I do a vitamin D
Speaker 2: three K two. You want to make sure that you're
Speaker 2: doing your vitamin D with K two because it helps
Speaker 2: your body absorb it to have that that fat in there.
Speaker 2: So I'm using just the AG one and I do
Speaker 2: six thousand l us. So, yeah, it's six drops of
Speaker 2: it because each one is a thousand. So I do
Speaker 2: six drops of vitamin D.
Speaker 1: I've never heard of that unit of measurement.
Speaker 2: I know, kind of weird. And so six thousand. If
Speaker 2: you look on the back, it'll it'll measure it in thousands.
Speaker 2: It's usually one drop is a thousand. I do six.
Speaker 2: And I just did my vitamin D. I was very
Speaker 2: deficient when I started, and now I'm high end regular,
Speaker 2: so that actually really worked. And I do a B
Speaker 2: complex B twelve and B six, very important for hashimotos.
Speaker 2: So I do one thousand micrograms of the B twelve
Speaker 2: and ten my milligrams of B six, and so I
Speaker 2: found it just in a b complex dropper. So those
Speaker 2: are the four that I add to my orange juice.
Speaker 2: I stir it up down the hatch, good to go.
Speaker 2: And I don't have to take a bunch of capsules
Speaker 2: because I'm not one of those people that can take
Speaker 2: fifteen capsules and not good stomach ache. So the only
Speaker 2: capsules I take is one little gel cap I get
Speaker 2: this through Fixer Brand, and I'll put all this down
Speaker 2: in the description below. It's black Cooman seed oil. It's
Speaker 2: very powerful antioxidant for your thyroid and for many other
Speaker 2: things like black cuman seed is great for pretty much anybody,
Speaker 2: like any ailment, and it's very popular in Asian medicine. Jeremy,
Speaker 2: why because you're Asian, I don't know you guys discovered
Speaker 2: it and then I take instead of taking Levo And
Speaker 2: because I don't do the armor thyroid and do the
Speaker 2: pig thyroid, I want to be able to just buy
Speaker 2: all my supplements and all my medicine and over the counter.
Speaker 2: I'm actually doing rob bovine thyroid and I take two
Speaker 2: hundred micrograms of that and I'm getting it through Ancestral
Speaker 2: for that. So I mean, if you can find one
Speaker 2: place to get all of it, or you can get
Speaker 2: your natural path to prescribe the stuff like you could
Speaker 2: do that you can go just make sure that it's organic,
Speaker 2: make sure that it's a good But also again I
Speaker 2: will stress, please make sure that you do a deficiency
Speaker 2: test so you know where you need to supplement. But
Speaker 2: the rule of thumb for hashimotos is going to be selenium, zinc,
Speaker 2: vitamin D, and B twelve and B six. Those are
Speaker 2: going to be your staples that are going to really
Speaker 2: help with your thyroid health. And so other than that,
Speaker 2: the only other thing that I'm doing is red light therapy.
Speaker 2: I know right it's the only other thing. So I'm
Speaker 2: doing red light therapy. I haven't decided if red light
Speaker 2: works or not. If you want to do red light
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Speaker 2: I like red light because it's warm and it's just
Speaker 2: like my little ritual I do at night. He walks
Speaker 2: in and I look super freaky because I'm laying the
Speaker 2: red and lime all lit up for it.
Speaker 1: So the reason I'm laughing to myself, Yeah, he's fixturing.
Speaker 1: I walk in to the bedroom later then and she's
Speaker 1: just glowing in the corner.
Speaker 2: Yes, So don't go and buy a red light treatment
Speaker 2: off Amazon because there's so many Chinese fakes out there
Speaker 2: and they're literally just using red led lights and then
Speaker 2: jacking up the price and people are like, I'm doing
Speaker 2: red light like on the mass and everything that you
Speaker 2: buy on Amazon. So many of them are fake. Of course, Yes,
Speaker 2: So I actually I have two. I have one through
Speaker 2: Nova Lab and that's FDA registered. And you want to
Speaker 2: make sure that the wavelength of the red light is
Speaker 2: six thirty to six sixty and that's near infrared lights.
Speaker 2: And then I also have a thyroid one from doctor
Speaker 2: Weston Child's. It's just more of a hands free one.
Speaker 2: I feel like I look extra freaky with that one on.
Speaker 2: It's like a c callar and a like. I just
Speaker 2: feels so weird with it on that I usually tend
Speaker 2: to use just the floppy pad one that I got
Speaker 2: it from Nova Labs. It warms up, so I just
Speaker 2: lay there and watch my podcast at night after I
Speaker 2: get Miket asleep, and I put it on my neck
Speaker 2: for twenty minutes, five days a week.
Speaker 1: Well, the best is when you're putting it over the
Speaker 1: top of your head.
Speaker 2: I still yes. And then I treat my hair because
Speaker 2: I had so much hair loss, and I read and
Speaker 2: read and read that red light helps growing your hair back,
Speaker 2: so I stop dyeing my hair. I switched to using
Speaker 2: just like an all natural what is it called, like
Speaker 2: a bar shampoo and conditioner, and I have one that's
Speaker 2: almost like blueberries. It's awesome. I love it. And then
Speaker 2: I do red light every night on my head for
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. So I have the Noble Light Pad. I
Speaker 2: put it on my neck for twenty minutes and then
Speaker 2: I just flop it on my head. Now I know
Speaker 2: they sell cats, cats and helmets and all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 2: They're like a thousand bucks. This thing was like two
Speaker 2: hundred bucks.
Speaker 1: There's nothing hotter than walking in on your wife.
Speaker 2: It's better than a ball.
Speaker 1: She's glowing.
Speaker 2: I'm literally glowing.
Speaker 1: With this little bonnet of red light.
Speaker 2: So I just take it and I set it on
Speaker 2: my head for twenty minutes. And I've been doing this
Speaker 2: now for ninety days. And my hair growth is insane, insane,
Speaker 2: So like I've had a lot of people be like,
Speaker 2: you need to get control of your flyways. I can't
Speaker 2: because it literally looks like somebody came in with scissors
Speaker 2: and cut half of my hair to two inches long.
Speaker 2: So anywhere I part my hair, I have like this
Speaker 2: mohawk of two inch hair, And especially like in the
Speaker 2: Peninsula areas, like I am growing all this weird little
Speaker 2: two inch hair all over my head. So now I
Speaker 2: went from having a very wide part a couple weeks ago,
Speaker 2: like my part was widening in. It was freaking me out.
Speaker 1: You get a butt crack on the top of your head,
Speaker 1: it was bad.
Speaker 2: And now it all filled in. Like my mom was like, oh,
Speaker 2: my gosh, your part's normal again. I'm like, yes, I
Speaker 2: like when I part my hair to the side, it's
Speaker 2: just like this two inch like.
Speaker 1: So to try and encourage me to use it because
Speaker 1: I'm balding as well.
Speaker 2: Well, Jeremy keeps growing his hair longer and longer and longer.
Speaker 1: To try this has been quite the endeavor. Not only
Speaker 1: do you have all this red light, you have that
Speaker 1: stupid electron comb.
Speaker 2: And really I haven't gotten into that. I tried it
Speaker 2: like three times. It like literally shocked me.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Now I'm scared. So just red light. It's warm, it's relaxing.
Speaker 2: If you're watching TV at night, you do you twenty
Speaker 2: minutes on your neck, you flop that sucker on your head,
Speaker 2: you do twenty minutes. I don't know if it works
Speaker 2: or not. It could be the diet, it could be
Speaker 2: the supplements. It could be that I just got my
Speaker 2: inflammation down, or it could be the red light working.
Speaker 2: The problem is I'm doing so many things said, I
Speaker 2: don't know what's working and what's not, but I know
Speaker 2: that it's working. So maybe in time I stopped doing
Speaker 2: red light and I see if I you know, maybe
Speaker 2: that's not even what's doing it. I'll probably do this
Speaker 2: diet for the rest of my life. I'm just going
Speaker 2: to stick to organic, whole food, so that's good for it,
Speaker 2: feel good on it. I used to always have acne
Speaker 2: from the time that I went through puberty to three
Speaker 2: months ago, so it was a bit and I always
Speaker 2: had hormonal breaks out saw my chin and my jawline.
Speaker 2: Especially as I started getting older. I thought like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is perimenopause. What's going on. I was getting like
Speaker 2: a lot of like hormonal breakouts. All of that's gone.
Speaker 2: It's just been it's just been good. Like I feel good.
Speaker 2: I feel like my skin is glowier, it's way more moisturized.
Speaker 2: I used to have like really dried elbows and heels
Speaker 2: and that's all gone away. And so I don't know,
Speaker 2: I feel good. I just think, you know, even if
Speaker 2: it doesn't. I was told if by three doctors that
Speaker 2: I'm never going to go into remission and then I
Speaker 2: can't cure this, that I have to be on medicine
Speaker 2: for the rest of my life, and I just decided
Speaker 2: that I didn't want that to be my story. And
Speaker 2: if there's any way to go into remission and heal this,
Speaker 2: I'm going to find it. So this is a journey.
Speaker 2: I'm clearly not in remission because my antibodies are still
Speaker 2: fifty six, but they're down by seventy five percent. It's
Speaker 2: only been three months. So I'm going to test again
Speaker 2: in a month, and then I'm going to test again
Speaker 2: eight weeks later, and then I'm going to keep doing
Speaker 2: this and I'm going to keep adjusting and if I
Speaker 2: can figure it out, I want to make sure that
Speaker 2: I share it because literally hundreds of you guys wrote
Speaker 2: me and said, I've been on level for years and
Speaker 2: I still feel like garbage. What are you doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, a lot of people have taken notice of
Speaker 1: how good you've been looking and feeling, and a lot
Speaker 1: of people are very accepting on the fact that, hey,
Speaker 1: I'll just have to be on this medication for the
Speaker 1: rest of my life, but know that there is an
Speaker 1: alternative means of trying to address this, and regardless of
Speaker 1: whether or not you're actually you know, put your hush
Speaker 1: modils in a remission. It's a great diet. Yeah, that's what.
Speaker 2: Like the one doctor that actually listens and does like
Speaker 2: the blood tests, the one guy in town. Actually he
Speaker 2: was like I was describing the diet to him, and
Speaker 2: he goes that literally sounds like the world's best diet. Yeah,
Speaker 2: He's like, so, I mean you can if you want
Speaker 2: a little bit of something sweet, you can have ninety percent.
Speaker 2: Or I won't eat anything that's under eighty eight percent
Speaker 2: cacao chocolate, like dark dark chocolate with like a little
Speaker 2: bit of dried fruit and not sugar added, dried fruit,
Speaker 2: just you know, just mango, only dried fruit. I love
Speaker 2: like a couple chunks of dried mango at night, A
Speaker 2: little bit of chocolate, my cammelt. I'm a happy camper. So,
Speaker 2: and you feel good, and nothing tastes better than feeling good.
Speaker 2: Feels And when you have children or you have grandchildren,
Speaker 2: you want to be present for them. You want to
Speaker 2: be alive and well for them. And so we want
Speaker 2: to do everything we can. And is this fool proof?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Is Have I found one hundred percent success in this yet? No?
Speaker 1: But you thought improvement.
Speaker 2: I found improvement. I feel better, and so I want
Speaker 2: to share it. And I know that it's not going
Speaker 2: to hurt you. Going on a whole food, non process,
Speaker 2: no sugar, no gluten, no dairy diet is not going
Speaker 2: to hurt you, it's only going to help you. So
Speaker 2: even if you have no autoimmune issues at all, this
Speaker 2: diet's going to make you feel really good. And so
Speaker 2: I'm really encouraging people to try it. And then even
Speaker 2: Kaimani's like, you haven't, And like tonight he was like,
Speaker 2: I just want to have a really clean dinner, mom,
Speaker 2: can like, can we just do? So we're doing organic
Speaker 2: bison that's grass fed, yams and probably some girled zucchini
Speaker 2: and like a big salad and he was just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to eat that. Like So I love seeing
Speaker 2: that our kids are are wanting to eat clean too.
Speaker 2: Because he noticed I told him just go off sugar
Speaker 2: and dairy for like a couple of weeks, and because
Speaker 2: he's really insecure about acne, right, and then he's like,
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, mom my skin and his skin is
Speaker 2: clearing up significantly.
Speaker 1: But it has a massive impact on your health and
Speaker 1: with all with all your healthy nothing yep.
Speaker 2: And then we went to white started eating like garbage
Speaker 2: again and his face flared up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all feel like crap when you eat like crap.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's true for all of us. So a
Speaker 1: lot of really good information you want to stick as
Speaker 1: much of that as you can on the description of
Speaker 1: this episode.
Speaker 2: I'm goodness, it's going to be a really long description.
Speaker 2: So if you took notes or you can watch this
Speaker 2: over again and try to catch some stuff. You don't
Speaker 2: have to do it all, and you don't have to
Speaker 2: do it all at once. It can be a transition.
Speaker 2: But you know, like if you're giving up some of
Speaker 2: your favorite things, you want to make sure it works.
Speaker 2: So I say, go for it, give it a try,
Speaker 2: give it ninety days and see if you like it.
Speaker 2: I think you're going to notice weight loss, You're going
Speaker 2: to notice your brain fog going away. You're going to
Speaker 2: notice your joints feeling better, and you're just going to
Speaker 2: you're going to sleep better. You're just going to feel better.
Speaker 2: So make sure you're drinking lots of water. And I
Speaker 2: think that's it. That's that's it. But I'll keep you
Speaker 2: guys updated. I'm going to do another blood test in
Speaker 2: a month and I'll let you know where everything's headed
Speaker 2: because I want this to be a journey that I'm
Speaker 2: on with you guys, so that we can I'll help
Speaker 2: one another.
Speaker 1: There you go, Like I said, a lot of really
Speaker 1: good information. Hopefully somebody out there finds that useful. I'd
Speaker 1: realize that this is a very niche thing, but with
Speaker 1: floating this idea out there for all of you, so
Speaker 1: may you got back to us with like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really curious about what Melissa's doing. She looks great. Clearly
Speaker 1: she's feeling great. So again, I hope that somebody out
Speaker 1: there finds this all very beneficial. We will be back
Speaker 1: in here next week. Correct. Until then, you guys, take care,
Speaker 1: God blessed, We love you, thanks for being here. We'll
Speaker 1: see you next week.