1 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Regime change has a great and glorious history. It's a 2 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 1: history of repressive, dangerous, and destructive regimes being replaced by 3 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: better ones. The story is not an uncheckered one. Sometimes 4 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: regime change turns out for the worst. But the United 5 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: States has generally intervened over the past two and a 6 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: half centuries to produce positive regime change, and Iran, as 7 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: I will argue, could well be our finest hour. Regime 8 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: change has gotten such a bad name in recent years, 9 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: even on the right, and perhaps especially on the right, 10 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: that it's helpful to remind ourselves of the times and 11 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: places where regime change has worked wonderfully. I'll start with 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: the American Revolution regime change. The British are forcibly ejected, 13 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: and America seizes control of its own destiny. Hey, that 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: worked out pretty well, didn't it. Writing as a champion 15 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: of the American Revolution the English Essays, Tom Payne wrote, 16 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: we have it in our power to make the world 17 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: all over again. That is the hopeful resonance slogan of 18 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: regime change. Good can prevail over evil. Things can get 19 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: better if we act to make it happen. Incidentally, the 20 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 1: French intervened to help US get there. That's probably the 21 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: last time the French did something useful in the world. 22 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: Fast forward to the middle of the nineteenth century. Texas 23 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 1: used to be a part of Mexico, and the Mexicans 24 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 1: broke faith with the Texans. So the Texans revolted in 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty six and created their own independent republic. Regime change, 26 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: and it was a good one because the Mexicans in 27 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: Texas had far more rights than the Mexicans in Mexico. 28 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: Nine years later, Texas joined the United States and claimed 29 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: its border at the Rio Grande. 30 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: Mexicans refused. 31 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: This was the start of the Mexican War eighteen forty 32 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: five to eighteen forty eight. The United States intervened on 33 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: behalf of Texas and defeated Mexico. Texas got its full 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: territory back and now became part of the United States again. 35 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 2: Regime change. 36 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: The Civil War eighteen sixty one to eighteen sixty five 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:24,360 Speaker 1: produced its own regime change or change is. In reaction 38 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: to Republicans winning the election of eighteen sixty the South 39 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: created its own nation founded on slavery. 40 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: Regime change. But this was. 41 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: Problematic because hey, you don't get to break away from 42 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: a country just because you lost the last election. It 43 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: took the Union Armies four years to unify the country 44 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: by forcibly reintegrating the rebel states again. Regime change, and 45 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: some Southerners are still unhappy about it, But I'm not 46 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: because that's how we got today's America, a great and 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: powerful republic that became the largest economy in the world 48 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: in the nineteenth century and the world's soul superpower. 49 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: In the twentieth. 50 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: We can't make America great again if we didn't have 51 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: a great and powerful country to revive in the first place. 52 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: The Ottoman Empire, which lasted four hundred years, was finally 53 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: dismembered by the Allies in World War One. It was 54 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: the last of the great Islamic empires. Regime change and 55 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: of course a good one because it ended the era 56 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: of Islamic caliphates. World War II offers many examples of 57 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: regime change. The Allies produced regime change in Italy, in Austria, 58 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: across Asia, and North Africa. Of course, the most notable 59 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: examples of regime change are Japan and Germany. The United 60 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 1: States intervened directly to force regime change in Japan and Germany, 61 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: even to the extent of rebuilding those countries and rewriting 62 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: their constitution, and the results have been excellent. In the 63 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties and nineteen nineties, the United States won the 64 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: Cold War. This produced regime change across Eastern Europe, in 65 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 1: Poland and Hungary, in Czecho, Slovakia and Romania and Bulgaria, 66 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: and in every case it was a big improvement over 67 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: communist rule. Eventually, regime change reached the Soviet Union itself 68 00:04:10,480 --> 00:04:14,839 Speaker 1: when Soviet Communism collapsed. Now, whatever problems Russia has had 69 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: with Putin's authoritarianism or gangster capitalism, who can argue that 70 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: the collapse of the Soviet Empire was not a good 71 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: thing for us, for the world, and for the Russian 72 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: people themselves. 73 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 2: So the United States has. 74 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: A very good record when it comes to regime change. 75 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: Why then the antipathy to regime change, Well, mostly it 76 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: comes from two cases, Afghanistan and Iraq. Now there are 77 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: some sobering lessons here, but in neither case was regime 78 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 1: change itself. 79 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: The problem. 80 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: The problem was how we went about achieving regime change. 81 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,799 Speaker 1: It was about what we did after the regime change. 82 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: In both cases, responsible neo conservatism gave way to Neocon idiocy, 83 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: we did incompetent regime change. Consider Afghanistan, Surely it was 84 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: right for the United States after nine to eleven to 85 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: remove the regime that was the host nation for the attacks. 86 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: We were right to drive the Taliban into the mountains, 87 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: but then we should have installed the opposition made up 88 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: of rival tribes that hated the Taliban and gotten out. 89 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: The Taliban were twelfth century anti American tribesmen. We should 90 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: have replaced them with twelfth century pro American tribesmen. Instead, 91 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: we tried to run their country, to administer their tribal councils, 92 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: to make Kabul into Philadelphia. 93 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 2: Big mistake. We blew it. 94 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 1: The Taliban regrouped, and they are now back in power. 95 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: Iraq was an even bigger mistake, for which the Bush 96 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: Gang Condealiza Rice Colin Powell are to blame. We should 97 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 1: never have invaded Iraq because Iraq never had weapons of 98 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: mass destruction. Once again, we tried to impose parliamentary democracy there. 99 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 2: Once again we failed. 100 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: But even here America could have remedied its original mistake 101 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: by replacing Saddam Hussein with rival thugs, thugs who would 102 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: do our bidding and protect our interests. We didn't do that. 103 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: We tried to run the place ourselves. Now, for young 104 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: people with short memories, Afghanistan and Iraq are all they 105 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: know and remember. These young people reject regime change because 106 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: of these two isolated examples, which do not prove that 107 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: regime change is a bad idea, but only that there 108 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: is a bad way of going about regime change, and 109 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 1: we should not be stupid enough to go down that road. 110 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 2: Again. Trump, of course knows this. 111 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: He campaigned from the outset on keeping America out of unnecessary, 112 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 1: long lasting foreign wars and entanglements. Now let's talk about 113 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: Iran and regime change. The Mullahs came to power in 114 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine as a result of regime change. They 115 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: were part of a revolution to overthrow the sha It's 116 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: worth recalling that the United States under Jimmy Carter helped 117 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: to bring about this regime change. We were allied with 118 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: the Shaw Hard pulled the Persian rug out from under 119 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: the Shah. That's how we got Komani. So here is 120 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: a crucial lesson in foreign intervention. In trying to get 121 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: rid of the bad guy, try to make sure you don't. 122 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: Get the worst guy. 123 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: For Carter's role in this debacle, I give him the 124 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: Presidential Nincompoopery Award. He was perhaps the biggest fool we've 125 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: had in the White House, although there are other contenders 126 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: for the title. The upshot of the Iran debacle is 127 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: that for the first time, Radical Islam got a hold 128 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: of a major state. Previously, radical Islam was merely made 129 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: up of ragtag outfits, but now it had a country, 130 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: and an important country with a great history, an oil wealth, 131 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: and a smart educated population. For the past half century, 132 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: Iran has been a menace to the United States. It 133 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: has murdered our citizens, taken Americans hostage, terrorized our embassies, 134 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,760 Speaker 1: assaulted our allies, not just Israel, but also other Muslim countries, 135 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: and undermined our policy goals and interest throughout the Americas, 136 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: in Mexico, in. 137 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 2: Venezuela, and elsewhere. 138 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: What makes Iran so dangerous is that its power is 139 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: wedded to a revolutionary ideology that scorns death, champions martyrdom. 140 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: Seeks nothing less than the establishment of a global Islamic caliphate. 141 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: Iran seeks to become a nuclear power to help them 142 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: achieve this end goal. 143 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 2: This is not my view of them. It is their 144 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 2: view of them. 145 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: They affirm it in word and deed, and have done 146 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: so since nineteen seventy nine. Now, ordinarily, America would have 147 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: to deal with Iran by itself, and this is not 148 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: easy because America's record in fighting radical Islam is terrible. 149 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: But to our unbelievable good luck, Israel also has an 150 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: interest in getting rid of the Malahs in Iran. The 151 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: Jews live in that bad neighborhood. They understand their enemies, 152 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: they know how to deal with them. Moreover, Israel has 153 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: every justification. Iran was one of the main planners and 154 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: funders of the October seven attacks, so Israel isn't preemptively 155 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: st viking Iran. Israel is legitimately striking back. Some people 156 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: think America is getting involved to do Israel's bidding. But 157 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: here's a case where Israel's interest happily converges with our own. 158 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: Not only that, but Israel is taking the brunt of 159 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 1: the fight. Israel pulverized Iran in the twelve day attack, 160 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: and the United States simply joined for forty eight hours 161 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: by striking the key nuclear facilities. Even now, Israel is 162 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: spearheading the assault and America's participating with and behind them. 163 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: America First is not a recipe for isolation. America First 164 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: means we should not get involved in unnecessary wars. It 165 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: means we should avoid long term, protracted entanglements. America First 166 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: does not mean ignore the world and focus only on 167 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: domestic issues. America First recognizes the world as a dangerous place, 168 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: and we have allies and adversaries. America First means promoting 169 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: American interests and getting our allies to help us do it. 170 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: If our a allies benefit to all, the better because 171 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: this way they will be more motivated to help us 172 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: achieve our objectives. Our objective here is to replace the 173 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: world's greatest terrorist state, the most anti American regime in 174 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 1: the world, with a stable, prosperous, pro American Iran, governed 175 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: as they wish by the Iranian people themselves. Let's throw 176 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: the bums out and give Iran back to the Iranians. 177 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: They are smart people with ample resources. We don't have 178 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: to run their country. They can take it from here. 179 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: We have the opportunity, with Israel's help, to deal Radical 180 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: Islam its greatest blow, to take away from Radical Islam 181 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: the one major state it still controls, and we have 182 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: the Muslim country, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, the 183 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: Gulf Kingdoms, even Qatar behind us. If we're successful, this 184 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: will be our greatest triumph since the Cold War, perhaps 185 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: even since World War II. This will be regime changed, 186 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: but not Bush style Trump style regime change in the 187 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: tradition of the American founding and World War Two and 188 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: the Cold War. Trump becomes our greatest president in the 189 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: twenty first century. We become the good guys in the 190 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: world again. This isn't anti Maga, it is maga. It's 191 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: one way that we make America great again. With Trump 192 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: at the helm, we're achieving something great for the Iranian 193 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: people and for the Muslims in the region, and for 194 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: Israel and for America. The only people who are mourning 195 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: regime change in Iran are the Mullahs, the Democrats, and 196 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: Taker Carlson. 197 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: And that's the way I see it. 198 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 1: If you haven't been following precious metals, well you might 199 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: want to start look at gold and silver. Gold last 200 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: year twenty twenty five up over five thousand dollars announce, 201 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: silver over one hundred dollars an ounce, So that means 202 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: gold is up six four percent for the year of 203 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: silver one hundred and fifty percent. Now there's been a 204 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: little bit of a pullback since then, but that's normal. 205 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 1: The reason that people are doing this and the reason 206 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: central banks are buying gold they don't trust the government, 207 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: they don't trust the dollar, they don't trust the debt. 208 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: You need to find out more about this as you 209 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: figure out your own investments. I recommend a kit from 210 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: gold Code. It's the twenty twenty six Kit on Precious Metals, 211 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: a guide to gold and silver, and there's an easy 212 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: way to get it. Just go to Dinesh goold dot com. 213 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:42,599 Speaker 1: That's Danesh goold dot com. 214 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: Guys. 215 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: I'm really delighted to be joined by an Iranian, Goldiegamari, 216 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: who lives in Canada. She is a writer, she is 217 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: a political activist. She is in fact a former politician 218 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: who represented the Carlton Province in Ontario from twenty eighteen 219 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty five. She's also a former international trade lawyer. Goldie, 220 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. I really appreciate it. Let 221 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: me begin by just asking you. 222 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 2: You know, right in the. 223 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: Aftermath of the capture of Maduro, we saw all these 224 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: great videos of Venezuela and it's just going bisark, going nuts, 225 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: I mean, weeping, crying, dancing in the streets. And I 226 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: thought that was kind of a vignette, you know, to 227 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: be remembered. But I see it again now. I see 228 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: Iranians in Iran and around the world having the same 229 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: reaction to the well, to the finishing off of Hamini. 230 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: What was your emotional reaction when you first heard about it. 231 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 3: I heard about it. Well. First of all, Denis, thank 232 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 3: you so much for having me on. It's so great 233 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 3: to be here, big fan of yours. So I was 234 00:13:55,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 3: live streaming when I heard about the news, and I 235 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: just started crying. I started crying out of relief. It 236 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 3: felt like this huge, huge weight, this huge burden had 237 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 3: been lifted off of my shoulders. You know, hearing the 238 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 3: news of Hamone's extermination, it would be the equivalent of, 239 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: you know, let's say, hearing the news of Hitler. Hitler's death, 240 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 3: the same thing, the same thing. Hamone is the Hitler 241 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: of our time. He has the blood of hundreds of 242 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 3: thousands of people on his hands, not just the Iranians, 243 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 3: but you know, he has the blood of Americans on 244 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: his hands. He has a blood of Israeli's on his hands. 245 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 3: He has a blood of people in the Middle East 246 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: on his hands, so he is known as a war 247 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 3: criminal and a dictator. So for me personally, it was 248 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 3: just huge relief. And of course once I you know, 249 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 3: got over my emotions a little bit, you know, laughter, 250 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: joy and celebration, and that's exactly been the reaction of 251 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 3: Iranians in Iran and around the world. 252 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: Was it a case Goldie where for a little while 253 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: there it looked like this was a missed opportunity. I mean, 254 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: the United States pulverized the nuclear sites and it appeared 255 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: that that was the time when the US and maybe 256 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: Israel could have gone all the way, but Trump held back, 257 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: and it looked like there may be an opportunity over 258 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: time for the molas to regroup, maybe weakened, but nevertheless survive, 259 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: and then this would be another missed opportunity, kind of 260 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: like the missed opportunity of two. 261 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: Thousand and nine. 262 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: Were you worried that that was going to happen And 263 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: did that make the relief of what did happen like 264 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: all the more intense? 265 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 4: Uh? 266 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: No, So, I personally was not worried because there were 267 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 3: a lot of political signs there if you knew where 268 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 3: to look, if you know where to look, there were 269 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 3: signs that the situation was building up to this. And 270 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: I believe the reason that it took so long is 271 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: because United States had to get all of its military 272 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 3: assets in place, because as you can see, as soon 273 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: as the strikes began, the Islamic regime went haywire. And 274 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: not only did they attack Israel, but but they've been 275 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: attacking all the other countries in in the Persian Gulf 276 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: area as well. You know, many of these are countries 277 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 3: that used to support and prop up the Islamic regime. 278 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: I mean, they've even gone after Bahrain, and you know, 279 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: what is Bahrain done? What is what is the UAE done. 280 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: They've even sent missiles to Oman. Oman was like the 281 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 3: you know, supposedly the intermediary that was actually advocating for 282 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 3: and supporting the Islamic regime. So I think that's why 283 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 3: that's why it took so long, because the United States 284 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: had to make sure that when this when this military 285 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 3: intervention begins against the Islamic regime, that it has the 286 00:16:54,960 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 3: proper military assets to deal with the threat of a 287 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 3: dictatorship that's not only brutal to its people, but a 288 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 3: dictatorship that is really run and controlled by a cult 289 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: of death. 290 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: Goldie, how do you explain that weird phenomenon of the 291 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: Iranians lashing out, as you say, at other Muslim countries. 292 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there's a certain view in America that they're 293 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: all in it together, and that countries like Qatar are 294 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: playing a double game. They're actually wink wink on the 295 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: side of Iran. And yet you hear have for many 296 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: people this bizarre spectacle of Iran firing missiles at sort 297 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: of fellow Muslims and angering them, and not only that, 298 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: but sort of bringing them over to the side decisively 299 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: of the United States and Israel, thus creating a much 300 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: broader coalition against Iran. This seems to be like irrational, 301 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: suicidal behavior. Why would they do that? 302 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean that's because they're not Iran. There 303 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 3: are four occupying force that's called the Islamic Regime and 304 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 3: they're occupying Iran. Prior to nineteen seventy nine, when Iran 305 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: was a normal country, Iran was actually an ally of 306 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 3: the United States, it was an ally of Israel, and 307 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 3: it was an ally of all the other countries in 308 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 3: the Persian Gulf area in the Middle East as well. 309 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: So you know, the only reason I can think of 310 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,120 Speaker 3: that the Islamic regime is doing this is because again 311 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 3: they're a terrorist group, and you know, they might have 312 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 3: had allies like that's hard in the past, but there's 313 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: no honor amongst thieves. And so you know, the Islamic regime, 314 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 3: being the terrorist group that it is, it's going scorched earth. 315 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 3: And I trust and I hope that this will be 316 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 3: a lesson for governments out there to not prop up dictatorships, 317 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 3: to not prop up dangerous foreign governments, because by propping 318 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,120 Speaker 3: them up and by trying to legitimize them, you're only 319 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: putting the safety of your own citizens at risk. And 320 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 3: as you can see this, this Islamic dictatorship does not 321 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: care about the lives of anyone. I mean, when you 322 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 3: have an Islamic regime that mass slaughter is almost ninety 323 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: thousand innocent, unarmed Iranians just because they want freedom, they're 324 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: not going to show any sort of remorse towards towards 325 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: other countries. And you know, one of the missiles I've 326 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 3: heard even attacked, I think it was like a hospital, 327 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 3: like a Palestinian Hospital. So there you go. 328 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,160 Speaker 1: What do you how do you account for the fact 329 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: that the people who seem to be protesting the loudest 330 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: against US action and Israeli action in Iran is the left? 331 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: Is the left in the United States is the global left? 332 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Is the explanation really nothing more than the Red Green Alliance. 333 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: These people are allied with Radical Islam. A defeat for 334 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 1: Radical Islam is a weakening of the Red Green Alliance. 335 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: Therefore they oppose it is that Is that what it 336 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: amounts to? 337 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, that's definitely well, it's less about the weakening, 338 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: it's less about jihad. It's more about their own anti 339 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 3: imperialist sentiments. So the reason that the nineteen seventy nine 340 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,120 Speaker 3: Islamic Coudeta was successful in the first place is because 341 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 3: the Islamists were joined by the communists and also by 342 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: the woke progressives. So these people joined up with the 343 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 3: Islamists thinking that, okay, we're smart, we're intelligent. When we 344 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 3: overthrow the Shaw, we're going to take over. Of course, 345 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 3: the Islamists, being the violent savages that they are, as 346 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: soon as the Shaw was overthrown, they basically turned their 347 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: guns on the same people who had been supporting them 348 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 3: and pretty much executed them all and then of course 349 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 3: started their reign of mass terror. So this is I 350 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 3: think a case of useful idiots. And of course the 351 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 3: the woke left and the communists and you know so 352 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 3: called progressive progressives, they are so blinded by their anti 353 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 3: imperialist ideology that they are literally willing to side with 354 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 3: brutal Islamic dictators because all they care about is the 355 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 3: downfall of you know, Western democratic societies like the United States. 356 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 3: And I think this is very, very dangerous and it 357 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 3: has to be taken seriously. 358 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: It seems to be part of it, Goldie, is that 359 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: the left in America and in the West somehow thinks 360 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: that they can take the savages as you call them, 361 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: and domesticate them. So in other words, I think they 362 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: realize that you can't have like bin Laden in America 363 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: or mala Omar from the Taliban, or even Hameni, but 364 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: they think we can have Mamdani, we can have in 365 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: ilhan Omar. 366 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: In other words, Mamdani is in some ways. 367 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 1: An Islamist, but on the other hand, he's like he's 368 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: for the trans he's for gay rights, he's for like 369 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: mandatory healthcare, So he seems to line up with the 370 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: priorities of the progressive left, do you think. I think 371 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: what you're saying is that this sort of leftist project 372 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: to domesticate the radical Muslims might work in the short term, 373 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,520 Speaker 1: but in the in the long term, the savages will 374 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 1: show their teeth. 375 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: Oh one hundred percent. This is all about takias. So 376 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: they basically they say what they have to say in 377 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: order to gain influence and power, and then once there's 378 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 3: enough of them, they take over. That's exactly what we're 379 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 3: seeing in certain certain you know, parts of the United States, 380 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 3: and it's it's very dangerous. It's very dangerous. I mean, 381 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 3: I think just just yesterday we heard the news of 382 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:44,440 Speaker 3: a mass shooting in Austin, Texas, and you know, my 383 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 3: condolence is to Americans there. You know, that was a 384 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 3: person who who had a shirt that's at property of Allah, 385 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 3: and then underneath that he had a flag of the 386 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 3: Islamic regime. And he wasn't even Iranian. That's a scary part. 387 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: So there are a lot of people who are not Iranian, 388 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: like Mamdani for example, but he supports the Islamic regime. 389 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 3: And I think Americans need to take this threat very, 390 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:13,679 Speaker 3: very seriously. Anyone anyone who supports the Islamic regime, anyone 391 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: who carries their flag, anyone who you know is mourning 392 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 3: the death of a Muslim Nazi like the Ayahtola. These 393 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 3: people are threats to Americans and the Islamic regime. One 394 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 3: of the things they have done is they have imported 395 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: a lot of these people into the United States. They're 396 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 3: funding a lot of you know, various lobby groups, They've 397 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 3: created a whole bunch of Islamic centers. And so now 398 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 3: I think I think Americans are going to start to 399 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: see more of these sleeper cells waking up because this 400 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 3: radicalization has been happening in the United States for several 401 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: decades now, and yet when people try to call it out, 402 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 3: they're accused of Islamophobia. 403 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you, Goldie, to address a concern 404 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: that is on the right and particularly coming from a 405 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: lot of young people, young people raised in the environment 406 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 1: of the Iraq War and its aftermath Afghanistan. To them, 407 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: regime change is generally a bad word, and they see 408 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: it like happening all over again. Now, on top of this, 409 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: many of these same people say Look, the one thing 410 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: I've learned about my government is that I am at 411 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: the bottom of their list. They're always concerned about liberating 412 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: some other guy someplace else. And while we don't begrudge 413 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,360 Speaker 1: the Iranians their freedom, and we don't begrudge israel It's interests, 414 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: what about my interests? Why am I at the bottom 415 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: of the list. Why shouldn't our government prioritize America instead 416 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: of these adventures abroad? If you were speaking directly to 417 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: those people, what would you say to them? 418 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 3: So I would answer in two parts. The first part 419 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: would be with respect to regime change. The regime change 420 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: actually happened in nineteen seventy nine when Jimmy Carter and 421 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: the Democrats got involved and destroyed the constitutional monarchy that 422 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,440 Speaker 3: we had, destroyed the ally ship that Iran had with 423 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: the United States by bringing in the Iatolas in the 424 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: first place. So what's happening right now is not regime change. 425 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 3: It's a reversal. It's undoing the regime change of nineteen 426 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: seventy nine and taking Iran back to what we were 427 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 3: before American intervention. So that would be number one. Number 428 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 3: two with respect to the concern about you know, the 429 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: needs and the needs of Americans one hundred percent right. 430 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: American needs should be put forward first by American presidents 431 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 3: and American policy. And that's exactly what President Trump is 432 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: doing because you have to also, you know, if you 433 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 3: just look at the cost benefit analysis. For example, the 434 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 3: Islamic regime has been waging a forever war against the 435 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 3: United States for the last forty seven years. That is very, 436 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 3: very expensive. This is money and dollars that could be 437 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 3: going towards investing in young people in American society, and 438 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 3: yet instead these are you know, hundreds of trillions of 439 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: dollars that have been going to defend American interests in 440 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 3: American allies against an enemy that has been murdering Americans 441 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 3: for the last forty seven years. So what's happening right 442 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: now is President Trump is actually ending this forty seven 443 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 3: year forever war. Once that happens, Iran will go back 444 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 3: to being an ally of the United States and we 445 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 3: can continue then to focus on our respective countries. Iran 446 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 3: in and of itself, is you're looking at. When Iran 447 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 3: is free, that's almost going to be like one trillion 448 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: dollars worth of investment and economy that's going to open up, 449 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 3: which is also very good for the American economy as well. 450 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: So it's a win win situation for everyone here. That's 451 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 3: how I would frame it. 452 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 1: You mentioned Jimmy Carter, and this is I think something 453 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: people don't really know, which is that Jimmy Carter came 454 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: to power in nineteen seventy six. He campaigned on the 455 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: human rights platform, and then he singled out the Shah 456 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: and basically said, he's a dictator, he has a secret police, 457 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: he's a bad guy. 458 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: I need to pull the. 459 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,399 Speaker 1: Persian rug out from under him. And of course the 460 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: result was Komani. In other words, he went from the 461 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: frying pan into the fire, and trying to get rid 462 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: of the bad guy, he got the guy who was 463 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: ten times worse. So I think what you're saying, and 464 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 1: this needs to be highlighted. The United States played a role, 465 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: maybe not the decisive role, but certainly in enabling and 466 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: contributory role to the Mullahs establishing themselves in the first place. 467 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: Had it not been for Carter, or maybe had a 468 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: Republican press been in office, we would not have gotten 469 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,200 Speaker 1: that outcome. And I think what you're also saying, I'd 470 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: like you to dwell on this a little bit more, 471 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: that a free and prosperous Iran governed by Iranians is 472 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: going to be really good not only for the region 473 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: but also for the United States. Now here, I want 474 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: to raise what seems to me to be a real obstacle, 475 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: which is this that even in Venezuela you've had a 476 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: revolution that's taken to about twenty five years that happened 477 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,400 Speaker 1: Ua Javas comes to power about nineteen ninety nine. In Iran, though, 478 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: it's almost fifty years, and that's a long time to 479 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: change a society, you know, just as in Iraq, you 480 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: find a penetration of these Islamists into every level of society. 481 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: Right they run the schools, they run the local city councils, 482 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 1: they're patrolling every street. So, in other words, changing all 483 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: that is not going to be easy. And I think 484 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: this is what people are a little nervous about. It's like, hey, 485 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: we don't want the United States to be doing kind 486 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: of country management all over again. What can you say 487 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: to sort of assure Americans that, hey, guess what, you know, 488 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 1: we Iranians can sort of take it from here, that 489 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 1: there's a point at which the Iranians can and will 490 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 1: run their own country and this won't be Iraq all 491 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: over again. 492 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 3: So, I mean, the first thing I want to say 493 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 3: is that Iran is not Iraq. Iran. You know, we're 494 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 3: a civilization that's thousands of years old. We actually had 495 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 3: a constitutional revolution back in nineteen oh six, So we 496 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 3: had our first democratically elected parliament in nineteen oh six, 497 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 3: which lasted up until nineteen seventy nine. In terms of 498 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 3: what comes next, so we are a very educated society, 499 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 3: both inside of Iran and outside. Our literacy and education 500 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: rate is ninety seven percent. We already have a transitional 501 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 3: plan in place with israel Highness Riza Pahlavi, who's the 502 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 3: Crown Prince of Iran. This is a transitional plan that 503 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 3: is available online in English and in Persian. It has 504 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 3: been peer reviewed and a lot of the Iranians have 505 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,000 Speaker 3: provided their input on that as well. And so this 506 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: document pretty much outlines exactly how Iran will be transitioning 507 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: from an Islamic dictatorship to a functioning, secular, democratic society, 508 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 3: just like we used to have before nineteen seventy nine. 509 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 3: And in fact, Senator Lindsay Graham is working on creating 510 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 3: a bipartisan working group that's going to present this transitional 511 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: plan to US Congress as well. So I would say 512 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: to Americans, rest assured, Iran is not Iraq. We're not 513 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 3: even Muslim. We're not even Muslim, right, So it's a 514 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: totally different culture, totally different society. There's a reason that 515 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: ten million Iranians live outside of occupied Iran, the vast 516 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 3: majority of them being in the United States, and up 517 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 3: until now you probably didn't even know, You've probably never 518 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: heard of them. And that's because we Iranians we integrate very, 519 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 3: very well into Western society and culture, because we have 520 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 3: the same values and the same ideals. So I would 521 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,720 Speaker 3: say rest assured, like we got this covered. 522 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: I mean, one thing you're saying that's very striking to 523 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: me is when you say Iran is not even Muslim, 524 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: it's a way of saying that this Islamic project to 525 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: sort of islamize or islamicize Iran aggressively using all the 526 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: tools of government of power have failed, and that in 527 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: some ways have almost discredited Islam in the eyes of 528 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: a lot of the Iranian people. Now, this alone, to 529 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: me is hugely significant because I don't know another society 530 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: that has the islamicized itself in this way? And not 531 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: only that, I think you agree will agree with me, 532 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,160 Speaker 1: that Iran has been the sort of crown jewel of 533 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: radical Islam. Right before that you had the Muslim Brotherhood, 534 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,600 Speaker 1: you had these ragtag terrorist groups, but radical Islam did 535 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: not have a hold of a major state until Colmany 536 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: came along, and then every other Islamist has been looking 537 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: enviously like how do I do that in my country 538 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: as well? So aren't you saying in part that this 539 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: would deal a mortal blow to radical Islam, the whole 540 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: global radical Islamic project that goes beyond Iran. But this 541 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 1: would be a massive setback, and so in some ways 542 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: a victory no less spectacular than the victory in the 543 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: Cold War. 544 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 3: One hundred one hundred percent, what's happening right now is 545 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: going to be bigger than the fall of the Berlin Wall. 546 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,720 Speaker 3: The only other country I can think of that you know, 547 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: de islamized would have been Spain back when when the 548 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 3: when the Moors occupied Spain and then eventually the Spaniards 549 00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 3: were able to decolonize reclaimed Spain for Christians, That's pretty 550 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: much what's happening in occupied Iran right now. And you know, 551 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 3: the one thing that the Islamic dictatorship has done is 552 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: they have shown us the true face of Islam and 553 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 3: Islamism and Iranians we're done with it. We're done with it. 554 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 3: We're done with Islam. It doesn't mean that there aren't 555 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,479 Speaker 3: no Muslims among us. There are, you know, they are 556 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 3: a small minority. However, even the Iranian Muslims are saying 557 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: that they're sick and tired of Islam being a part 558 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 3: of government policy. You know, one thing that is you know, 559 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 3: one of the things that Iranians created two thousand, five 560 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 3: hundred years ago was the concept of human rights under 561 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 3: Cyrus the Great, and so freedom of religion has been 562 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 3: a part of the Iranian Empire, you know, also known 563 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 3: as a Persian empire. Freedom of religion has been a 564 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 3: part of our culture and our values for thousands and 565 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 3: thousands of years. So this, this notion of this Islamic 566 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 3: dictatorship trying to control us, it just it never worked 567 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 3: because ultimately, our Iranian identity, heritage, civilization, and culture is 568 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 3: much stronger, much stronger, and it has been around for 569 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of years. So this is it's a 570 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 3: failed experiment. I would say, prior to the Islamic regime 571 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,840 Speaker 3: taking over, the vast majority of Iranians were Muslim, but 572 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 3: you know they were secular Muslims, right, they just sort 573 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 3: of Muslim in name only. But now everyone's rejected it 574 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 3: because we just don't want anything to do with it anymore, 575 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 3: after forty seven years of Islamic occupation. 576 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: Now. I was in brazila a few months ago and 577 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: I met a guy who is descended actually from the 578 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: Spanish royal family, and he'd been studying the reconquest of 579 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: Spain where they threw out the Muslims, and he made 580 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: a very profound point that hadn't occurred to me. He goes, well, 581 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,399 Speaker 1: you know, the Spanish didn't actually throw the Muslims out. 582 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: He goes, we didn't throw the people out, But he goes, 583 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: we threw the leaders out. We changed the leadership's structure 584 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: of the society. And I found this kind of consoling 585 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: because part of what he's saying is you don't have 586 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: to expel a people. What you have to do is 587 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: expel an ideology, expel a leadership. And I think that's 588 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: what you're saying about Iran. We're not really going to 589 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 1: be quote chasing out the Muslims. What we're going to 590 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: be doing is chasing out radical Islam. We're going to 591 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: organize our society on a different basis, with a different 592 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: structure and a different set of freedoms. And that, it 593 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: seems to me, is in a way, not a utopian project, 594 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: but rather a more practical one. 595 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 4: Yeah. 596 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely. In fact, there are many Iranian Muslims who 597 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,920 Speaker 3: are on the front lines fighting the Islamic regime, fighting 598 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 3: the Islamic dictatorship, who have lost their lives. So you're 599 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 3: absolutely correct. This is not about chasing out Muslims. This 600 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: is about chasing out the Islamic dictatorship, chasing out the regime, 601 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 3: and of course, you know, getting rid of those people 602 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 3: who have been responsible for murdering us Iranians in the 603 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,320 Speaker 3: last forty seven years, whether or not you know, Muslim, Atheist, Christian, 604 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 3: Jews or Astria, but high whatever the case might be. 605 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 3: So you know, we Iranians were all united and we're 606 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 3: all fighting one enemy, that's the Islamic regime. Because ultimately 607 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 3: for us, because again we're such a such an old civilization, 608 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,840 Speaker 3: regardless of our religion or which part of the country 609 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 3: we're from. The one thing that unites us is our 610 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,759 Speaker 3: Iranian identity, and so we're all Iran first, and that's 611 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 3: that's what has kept us going, and that's what has like. 612 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 3: That's basically the Islamic regime is worse nightmares our Iranian identity. 613 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: And I think part of what you've been arguing here, 614 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 1: I think very well is the idea that the liberation 615 00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 1: of Iran. 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