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Subscribe today for new videos 11 00:00:44,927 --> 00:00:45,367 Speaker 2: each week. 12 00:00:48,647 --> 00:00:52,607 Speaker 3: Osteogenesis imperfecta has resulted for me in a lot of pain, 13 00:00:53,247 --> 00:00:57,697 Speaker 3: a lot of medical challenges, ranging from fractures to repair 14 00:00:57,737 --> 00:01:02,137 Speaker 3: surgeries for those fractures, to corrective surgeries, to even intravenous 15 00:01:02,197 --> 00:01:06,517 Speaker 3: treatment to treat the condition. My experience with my condition 16 00:01:06,797 --> 00:01:10,337 Speaker 3: has helped me to be more empathetic and more compassionate. 17 00:01:11,997 --> 00:01:15,107 Speaker 4: Welcome to the Jesus Calling Podcast. Best known for his 18 00:01:15,187 --> 00:01:18,207 Speaker 4: role as Brick Heck on the NBC hit show The Middle, 19 00:01:18,647 --> 00:01:22,467 Speaker 4: actor and YouTuber Atticus Schaefer shares the profound lessons learned 20 00:01:22,507 --> 00:01:25,717 Speaker 4: from living with chronic pain and the medical challenges of 21 00:01:25,877 --> 00:01:30,307 Speaker 4: osteogenesis imperfecta. He also reflects on his moving caretaking journey, 22 00:01:30,587 --> 00:01:33,447 Speaker 4: discussing the role reversal of supporting his mother through her 23 00:01:33,527 --> 00:01:36,767 Speaker 4: own health struggles and how their shared hardships deepened his 24 00:01:36,817 --> 00:01:41,937 Speaker 4: capacity for compassion. Later, we speak with content creator Ariel Fitzpatrick. 25 00:01:42,377 --> 00:01:45,477 Speaker 4: Raised in a strict, rule-bound home, Ariel grew up hiding 26 00:01:45,517 --> 00:01:48,157 Speaker 4: her mistakes out of shame. As an adult, she learned 27 00:01:48,177 --> 00:01:51,717 Speaker 4: to run toward God instead of away, transforming her perspective 28 00:01:51,757 --> 00:01:55,657 Speaker 4: on grace. Today, she leverages her social media platform to 29 00:01:55,697 --> 00:01:59,727 Speaker 4: promote a healthy lifestyle for Gen Z Let's begin with 30 00:01:59,847 --> 00:02:00,927 Speaker 4: Atticus Schaefer's story. 31 00:02:04,927 --> 00:02:09,126 Speaker 3: Hello, everyone. My name is Atticus Schaefer. I have been 32 00:02:09,347 --> 00:02:13,187 Speaker 3: a working actor in the entertainment industry for over 20 years. 33 00:02:15,707 --> 00:02:17,947 Speaker 3: I had the absolute best parent that I could have 34 00:02:17,997 --> 00:02:21,037 Speaker 3: ever hoped for in my mom. My mom knew prior 35 00:02:21,097 --> 00:02:24,137 Speaker 3: to me being born and finding out about my genetic 36 00:02:24,197 --> 00:02:27,797 Speaker 3: orthopedic condition or anything like that, that she wanted me 37 00:02:27,897 --> 00:02:30,857 Speaker 3: to be homeschooled. And I am so incredibly grateful that 38 00:02:30,917 --> 00:02:34,647 Speaker 3: she did. This is a genetic orthopedic condition that I 39 00:02:34,707 --> 00:02:37,806 Speaker 3: live with. I was born with it. My mom actually 40 00:02:37,847 --> 00:02:39,787 Speaker 3: has it. My brother has it. But if you keep 41 00:02:39,927 --> 00:02:42,427 Speaker 3: deviating out from the family tree, you can see the 42 00:02:42,467 --> 00:02:43,907 Speaker 3: different people who do have it. 43 00:02:43,937 --> 00:02:44,907 Speaker 1: And who don't have it. 44 00:02:46,437 --> 00:02:50,417 Speaker 3: Osteogenesis imperfecta has resulted for me in a lot of pain, 45 00:02:51,157 --> 00:02:55,527 Speaker 3: a lot of medical challenges, ranging from fractures to repair 46 00:02:55,587 --> 00:02:59,987 Speaker 3: surgeries for those fractures to corrective surgeries to even intravenous 47 00:03:00,047 --> 00:03:05,367 Speaker 3: treatment to treat the condition. And in that, it also 48 00:03:05,547 --> 00:03:09,687 Speaker 3: gave me the opportunity to be able to be in 49 00:03:09,767 --> 00:03:13,757 Speaker 3: specialty hospitals or clinics where I was able to witness 50 00:03:13,817 --> 00:03:17,157 Speaker 3: and see other children who had their own struggles that 51 00:03:17,197 --> 00:03:21,737 Speaker 3: they were contending with. Everything from burn victims to amputees 52 00:03:21,837 --> 00:03:25,567 Speaker 3: to you name The result of all of this was 53 00:03:26,157 --> 00:03:28,167 Speaker 3: not just for me, but even more so for my mom, 54 00:03:28,207 --> 00:03:30,507 Speaker 3: given that she was the parent and with me during 55 00:03:30,567 --> 00:03:34,387 Speaker 3: these years and through all of this treatment. It's a 56 00:03:34,467 --> 00:03:40,847 Speaker 3: way and a means of getting the epitome of humbling sobriety, 57 00:03:41,607 --> 00:03:46,047 Speaker 3: having one's priorities set in place. And it came to 58 00:03:46,097 --> 00:03:49,237 Speaker 3: pass that I was the poster child for my hospital. 59 00:03:49,937 --> 00:03:53,497 Speaker 3: where I was receiving treatment for my genetic orthopedic condition, 60 00:03:53,517 --> 00:03:57,437 Speaker 3: osteogenesis imperfecta. While I was the poster child, I would 61 00:03:57,457 --> 00:04:00,357 Speaker 3: need to go to banquets and make speeches. I never 62 00:04:00,417 --> 00:04:03,767 Speaker 3: had stage fright. I was never intimidated by talking to 63 00:04:03,817 --> 00:04:07,207 Speaker 3: people of various ages, most of which were adults. And 64 00:04:07,247 --> 00:04:09,387 Speaker 3: at the very end of my time being the poster 65 00:04:09,407 --> 00:04:12,027 Speaker 3: child for the hospital, which lasted a year, there was 66 00:04:12,067 --> 00:04:15,627 Speaker 3: a charity football game for the hospital. And at halftime, 67 00:04:15,667 --> 00:04:17,967 Speaker 3: I went down to make a speech. I was just 68 00:04:18,007 --> 00:04:20,027 Speaker 3: doing what I wanted to be able to do, which 69 00:04:20,067 --> 00:04:22,946 Speaker 3: was tell my story. But my mom was telling me 70 00:04:23,166 --> 00:04:28,007 Speaker 3: later how the entire auditorium just got completely quiet. And 71 00:04:28,066 --> 00:04:30,846 Speaker 3: people were giving me this attention and listening to me. 72 00:04:31,027 --> 00:04:31,787 Speaker 1: Share my story. 73 00:04:31,827 --> 00:04:34,506 Speaker 3: And my mom sat back and she said to herself, 74 00:04:34,546 --> 00:04:37,207 Speaker 3: there's got to be more to it than this. So 75 00:04:37,426 --> 00:04:40,347 Speaker 3: eventually what ended up happening is that we found out 76 00:04:40,387 --> 00:04:44,297 Speaker 3: the information for an entertainment industry manager. So we ended 77 00:04:44,356 --> 00:04:46,856 Speaker 3: up meeting with the manager and the manager said, I 78 00:04:46,907 --> 00:04:49,407 Speaker 3: love your voice. You read very well. I'd love to 79 00:04:49,426 --> 00:04:52,026 Speaker 3: bring you on for voiceover work, but I would also 80 00:04:52,066 --> 00:04:54,387 Speaker 3: love to bring you on for theatrical work as well, 81 00:04:54,827 --> 00:04:56,967 Speaker 3: which is in front of the camera work. And we 82 00:04:57,007 --> 00:04:58,926 Speaker 3: can see what happens. And we told her about my 83 00:04:58,986 --> 00:05:01,777 Speaker 3: condition and everything like that. And she's like, that's fine. 84 00:05:01,837 --> 00:05:04,076 Speaker 3: You just keep telling me what you can or can't do. 85 00:05:05,056 --> 00:05:10,416 Speaker 3: And my very first audition that I received ever was 86 00:05:10,616 --> 00:05:14,706 Speaker 3: a guest star role. for a CBS show called The Class. 87 00:05:15,267 --> 00:05:19,436 Speaker 3: It was directed by James Burroughs, and I just got 88 00:05:19,476 --> 00:05:21,817 Speaker 3: the audition, and Mom and I were excited, and so 89 00:05:21,876 --> 00:05:24,436 Speaker 3: we ran lines together. I was able to memorize lines 90 00:05:24,496 --> 00:05:26,897 Speaker 3: very well. It turns out I have something of a 91 00:05:26,936 --> 00:05:29,896 Speaker 3: photographic memory, so that really helped, and it ended up 92 00:05:29,916 --> 00:05:32,816 Speaker 3: being a very amazing experience, and things just snowballed from there. 93 00:05:38,356 --> 00:05:40,956 Speaker 3: As I made mention, my mom shares the same condition 94 00:05:40,996 --> 00:05:43,907 Speaker 3: that I do, We spent 10 years locked up in 95 00:05:43,947 --> 00:05:47,416 Speaker 3: a soundstage, not being able to be nearly as active 96 00:05:47,717 --> 00:05:50,537 Speaker 3: as other people were able to be or would be. 97 00:05:50,556 --> 00:05:54,077 Speaker 3: And that was a myriad of our life circumstances coupled 98 00:05:54,157 --> 00:05:56,657 Speaker 3: with the nature of how the show was filmed, and 99 00:05:56,707 --> 00:05:59,487 Speaker 3: especially me being the only child actor on the show, 100 00:05:59,527 --> 00:06:02,226 Speaker 3: and I'm speaking of the middle now. So being on 101 00:06:02,267 --> 00:06:05,207 Speaker 3: a dark soundstage all that time, you know, my mom... 102 00:06:05,457 --> 00:06:08,297 Speaker 3: was not able to get out and be active the 103 00:06:08,356 --> 00:06:11,837 Speaker 3: way that she wanted to be. I myself was more 104 00:06:11,936 --> 00:06:15,137 Speaker 3: sedentary than I could have been. Granted, because I was 105 00:06:15,176 --> 00:06:18,316 Speaker 3: the actor and therefore was the subject that was actually working, 106 00:06:18,697 --> 00:06:20,437 Speaker 3: there was a lot of times where I could move 107 00:06:20,496 --> 00:06:23,487 Speaker 3: around and do things and not be a sedentary. And 108 00:06:23,587 --> 00:06:27,327 Speaker 3: so my mom faced a very steep decline while I 109 00:06:27,366 --> 00:06:31,106 Speaker 3: was still on the show. And so unfortunately, my poor mom, 110 00:06:31,246 --> 00:06:34,246 Speaker 3: she has been through a lot of horrific things with 111 00:06:34,287 --> 00:06:38,126 Speaker 3: her back, with her abdomen. And the result of that 112 00:06:38,186 --> 00:06:42,627 Speaker 3: has been she has been forced to sacrifice the life 113 00:06:43,027 --> 00:06:47,426 Speaker 3: of a homesteader, an artist, a gardener, and not be 114 00:06:47,476 --> 00:06:49,537 Speaker 3: able to do the things that she has had nothing 115 00:06:49,577 --> 00:06:50,637 Speaker 3: but a passion to do. 116 00:06:50,546 --> 00:06:51,816 Speaker 1: Since she was a very little girl. 117 00:06:52,916 --> 00:06:55,756 Speaker 3: That has resulted in a lot of sacrifice for my mom, 118 00:06:55,796 --> 00:06:59,466 Speaker 3: and I'm witnessing her go through her own crisis of faith, 119 00:07:00,166 --> 00:07:04,127 Speaker 3: where she is legitimately asking God, why? Why did this 120 00:07:04,226 --> 00:07:07,626 Speaker 3: have to happen to me? Why was this allowed? What 121 00:07:07,787 --> 00:07:10,747 Speaker 3: is the bigger picture for this that I am personally missing? 122 00:07:10,907 --> 00:07:13,727 Speaker 3: Because I feel like all I've been asked now is 123 00:07:13,777 --> 00:07:16,437 Speaker 3: to sacrifice. What is the reward? 124 00:07:16,777 --> 00:07:17,897 Speaker 1: What is the growth here? 125 00:07:18,697 --> 00:07:21,016 Speaker 3: And there are many times in this life where God 126 00:07:21,057 --> 00:07:24,377 Speaker 3: does not give a direct answer immediately. Sometimes he doesn't 127 00:07:24,417 --> 00:07:27,396 Speaker 3: give a direct answer at all. But we as Christ 128 00:07:27,437 --> 00:07:31,017 Speaker 3: followers are in need of still pursuing the upward call 129 00:07:31,057 --> 00:07:34,316 Speaker 3: of Christ, despite what we may or may not understand, 130 00:07:34,717 --> 00:07:36,727 Speaker 3: because we need to remember who God is and who 131 00:07:36,767 --> 00:07:40,967 Speaker 3: his character is. So these are huge lessons coupled with many, 132 00:07:41,007 --> 00:07:44,287 Speaker 3: many others that I've learned that I've been able to witness. 133 00:07:44,867 --> 00:07:48,427 Speaker 3: My mom has spent my entire life caretaking for me 134 00:07:48,707 --> 00:07:52,247 Speaker 3: as I've gone through my medical ailments and my challenges 135 00:07:52,327 --> 00:07:55,527 Speaker 3: and injuries and pains. And now the roles of that 136 00:07:55,607 --> 00:07:58,527 Speaker 3: have been reversed. My mom would always tell me, no, 137 00:07:58,787 --> 00:08:00,987 Speaker 3: I want to be taking care of you. I don't 138 00:08:01,066 --> 00:08:02,967 Speaker 3: want it to be that you are taking care of me. 139 00:08:03,727 --> 00:08:04,727 Speaker 4: But it is what it is. 140 00:08:05,607 --> 00:08:10,597 Speaker 3: And my respect for her as a nurturer, as a caretaker, 141 00:08:10,737 --> 00:08:13,957 Speaker 3: and quite frankly, that of those who truly and genuinely 142 00:08:14,057 --> 00:08:17,197 Speaker 3: are caretakers and have a nurturing spirit within. 143 00:08:16,937 --> 00:08:20,016 Speaker 1: Them has only quadrupled. 144 00:08:20,867 --> 00:08:24,217 Speaker 3: Because of the work and the care and the dedication 145 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:27,517 Speaker 3: and the love that is truly had. My mom has 146 00:08:27,557 --> 00:08:30,237 Speaker 3: done nothing but live the Christian life when it came 147 00:08:30,357 --> 00:08:33,536 Speaker 3: to me and my brother for that matter. She has 148 00:08:33,577 --> 00:08:37,697 Speaker 3: done nothing but sacrifice for our well-being, sacrificing her time, 149 00:08:37,857 --> 00:08:41,377 Speaker 3: her energy, her emotional well-being. And the thing is, is 150 00:08:41,457 --> 00:08:43,947 Speaker 3: if you were to ask her or prompt her a 151 00:08:44,007 --> 00:08:47,567 Speaker 3: response from me saying that, she would say, but it 152 00:08:47,647 --> 00:08:49,927 Speaker 3: never felt like sacrifice. I did it because I love 153 00:08:49,967 --> 00:09:00,377 Speaker 3: my children. In my early teenage years, we had just 154 00:09:00,437 --> 00:09:04,847 Speaker 3: concluded a season of filming of The Middle. And the 155 00:09:04,927 --> 00:09:08,287 Speaker 3: very next day, it's my very first day of my hiatus, 156 00:09:08,667 --> 00:09:10,547 Speaker 3: and I was much more fragile than I should have 157 00:09:10,567 --> 00:09:13,427 Speaker 3: been at that particular point in time, had a horrific 158 00:09:13,527 --> 00:09:16,187 Speaker 3: accident in my living room. And I ended up breaking 159 00:09:16,227 --> 00:09:19,386 Speaker 3: both of my legs and cracking my shoulder blade. And 160 00:09:19,727 --> 00:09:21,827 Speaker 3: the hospital that we were going to at the time 161 00:09:22,227 --> 00:09:27,197 Speaker 3: did not have emergency services. And so right then, instantaneously, 162 00:09:27,577 --> 00:09:28,717 Speaker 3: I am in horrific pain. 163 00:09:28,897 --> 00:09:29,557 Speaker 5: Mom, help. 164 00:09:29,937 --> 00:09:30,417 Speaker 3: I'm hurt. 165 00:09:31,317 --> 00:09:31,937 Speaker 4: What do we do? 166 00:09:33,217 --> 00:09:37,907 Speaker 3: It wasn't a conscious surrender of control to God. It 167 00:09:37,937 --> 00:09:43,567 Speaker 3: was completely subconscious. And it was from beginning, middle to end, 168 00:09:43,907 --> 00:09:47,167 Speaker 3: everyone from the paramedics who came and got me to 169 00:09:47,227 --> 00:09:50,827 Speaker 3: the hospital that I was taken to, it was completely 170 00:09:51,537 --> 00:09:55,587 Speaker 3: from God. And I ended up Getting through the surgery, 171 00:09:56,257 --> 00:09:59,237 Speaker 3: being all casted up, patched up where I needed to be. 172 00:10:00,797 --> 00:10:03,477 Speaker 3: And so I woke up. I was sore as I 173 00:10:03,517 --> 00:10:06,497 Speaker 3: was waiting for the pain medicine to kick in. I go, okay, 174 00:10:06,517 --> 00:10:08,657 Speaker 3: let me turn on the TV and distract myself. And 175 00:10:08,677 --> 00:10:10,997 Speaker 3: when I turned on the TV, it instantly went to 176 00:10:11,037 --> 00:10:14,597 Speaker 3: Christian television. I have no clue who it was that 177 00:10:14,637 --> 00:10:17,197 Speaker 3: I watched. I could never tell you the pastor's name. 178 00:10:18,057 --> 00:10:20,497 Speaker 3: All I remember is that the pastor was speaking on 179 00:10:21,117 --> 00:10:24,377 Speaker 3: what does it truly mean to give your life to Christ? 180 00:10:24,937 --> 00:10:27,057 Speaker 3: And have relationship with him. 181 00:10:27,257 --> 00:10:28,037 Speaker 2: It's not religion. 182 00:10:28,357 --> 00:10:29,157 Speaker 4: It's relationship. 183 00:10:30,357 --> 00:10:35,557 Speaker 3: And that was so profound to me. And so I 184 00:10:35,617 --> 00:10:38,237 Speaker 3: prayed along with the pastor on the TV. And I 185 00:10:38,297 --> 00:10:41,557 Speaker 3: gave my life to Christ. In that moment. And from 186 00:10:41,597 --> 00:10:44,197 Speaker 3: that moment on actually. I shared with my mom that 187 00:10:44,217 --> 00:10:46,197 Speaker 3: I gave my life to Christ the next day. When 188 00:10:46,237 --> 00:10:47,957 Speaker 3: we came home from the hospital. She gave me my 189 00:10:47,997 --> 00:10:51,317 Speaker 3: first Bible. And thus began my journey of reading the 190 00:10:51,357 --> 00:10:53,697 Speaker 3: word of God for myself. And being able to cultivate 191 00:10:53,717 --> 00:10:56,707 Speaker 3: my relationship with him. I'd sit with my Bible and 192 00:10:56,727 --> 00:10:59,847 Speaker 3: look up the scripture, which was cool because Jesus Calling 193 00:10:59,887 --> 00:11:02,167 Speaker 3: was a means for me to get better at finding 194 00:11:02,247 --> 00:11:05,127 Speaker 3: chapter and verse in the Bible of different things. As 195 00:11:05,167 --> 00:11:07,967 Speaker 3: we were going through the devotionals that she gave, it 196 00:11:07,997 --> 00:11:10,357 Speaker 3: was a means of like, let's finalize the day. Let's 197 00:11:10,397 --> 00:11:12,677 Speaker 3: have this be what's in our mind as we're going 198 00:11:12,717 --> 00:11:15,717 Speaker 3: to sleep. We're easing now into sleep. We're dwelling on 199 00:11:15,757 --> 00:11:18,997 Speaker 3: the word. And so that was really profound for us 200 00:11:19,037 --> 00:11:20,797 Speaker 3: to be able to do that. That was like the 201 00:11:20,837 --> 00:11:23,867 Speaker 3: devotion thing that we were dedicated to through my time 202 00:11:23,917 --> 00:11:26,506 Speaker 3: on the shelf. I'm very grateful that I've been able 203 00:11:26,527 --> 00:11:29,327 Speaker 3: to have a very long career in the entertainment industry 204 00:11:29,567 --> 00:11:32,907 Speaker 3: and hopefully that's able to continue. I often say that 205 00:11:33,027 --> 00:11:36,227 Speaker 3: actors are like nomads, you know, creatives were always kind 206 00:11:36,267 --> 00:11:39,307 Speaker 3: of moving around to find new work and find the 207 00:11:39,367 --> 00:11:42,167 Speaker 3: things that we need to do to continue those careers 208 00:11:42,487 --> 00:11:45,567 Speaker 3: and be able to be creative. But I'm very grateful 209 00:11:45,667 --> 00:11:47,497 Speaker 3: for all of the different things that I've been able 210 00:11:47,537 --> 00:11:50,677 Speaker 3: to do in my life thus far, namely the middle 211 00:11:50,977 --> 00:11:53,347 Speaker 3: and being able to be one of the leads on a, 212 00:11:54,157 --> 00:11:56,656 Speaker 3: now going down in history, family sitcom. 213 00:11:58,717 --> 00:12:01,597 Speaker 4: To learn more about Atticus Schaefer, follow his Twitch and 214 00:12:01,617 --> 00:12:04,897 Speaker 4: YouTube channel. You can find him through his handle, Atticus 215 00:12:04,937 --> 00:12:09,147 Speaker 4: Schaefer Vlog. Stay tuned to Ariel Fitzpatrick's story after a 216 00:12:09,167 --> 00:12:21,527 Speaker 4: brief message. These uncertain times bring anxiety and fear, but 217 00:12:21,567 --> 00:12:24,727 Speaker 4: Jesus listens prayers for every season, gives you daily prayers 218 00:12:24,767 --> 00:12:29,627 Speaker 4: of comfort. With seasonally inspired illustrations, this beautiful book includes 219 00:12:29,687 --> 00:12:33,047 Speaker 4: prayers that speak to your situation, whether it's a time 220 00:12:33,087 --> 00:12:36,987 Speaker 4: of stress or strength. Look for Jesus Listens Prayers for 221 00:12:37,107 --> 00:12:47,587 Speaker 4: Every Season wherever you buy books. Content creator Ariel Fitzpatrick 222 00:12:47,807 --> 00:12:50,747 Speaker 4: grew up viewing God through a lens of fear and perfectionism, 223 00:12:51,157 --> 00:12:54,017 Speaker 4: often hiding her mistakes out of shame. As an adult, 224 00:12:54,117 --> 00:12:57,257 Speaker 4: she transformed her perspective on grace, learning to run toward 225 00:12:57,297 --> 00:12:58,937 Speaker 4: God rather than away from Him. 226 00:13:00,197 --> 00:13:02,157 Speaker 5: My mother, she was born in Trinidad and Tobago. My 227 00:13:02,197 --> 00:13:05,597 Speaker 5: dad was born and raised in St. Vincent and the Grenadines, 228 00:13:05,717 --> 00:13:07,797 Speaker 5: and they both migrated to Montreal where they met and 229 00:13:07,877 --> 00:13:11,897 Speaker 5: had me and my four other siblings. And I really, 230 00:13:11,937 --> 00:13:15,057 Speaker 5: truly believe that being raised by parents who grew up 231 00:13:15,097 --> 00:13:17,247 Speaker 5: in that culture, and they were both Christians, and they 232 00:13:17,267 --> 00:13:20,167 Speaker 5: were both saved from a very young age, they brought 233 00:13:20,207 --> 00:13:21,967 Speaker 5: that with them to Montreal. 234 00:13:22,667 --> 00:13:25,127 Speaker 1: And we were literally raised in. 235 00:13:25,087 --> 00:13:29,427 Speaker 5: Montreal, but we were completely surrounded by Caribbean people. So 236 00:13:29,867 --> 00:13:34,087 Speaker 5: in church, it was people from Trinidad, St. Vincent, Barbados, Grenada, St. Lucia, 237 00:13:34,137 --> 00:13:36,777 Speaker 5: name it. Everybody was there and everybody kind of came 238 00:13:36,817 --> 00:13:41,057 Speaker 5: with the same type of upbringing. And it is quite 239 00:13:41,117 --> 00:13:46,516 Speaker 5: different from Canada's outlook on, let's say, church and Christianity 240 00:13:46,577 --> 00:13:49,857 Speaker 5: and faith and morals and habits. And it's a very 241 00:13:49,917 --> 00:13:52,276 Speaker 5: strict one. It's a very like, you better follow the 242 00:13:52,297 --> 00:13:55,617 Speaker 5: Bible to the T. There's also some other, there's some 243 00:13:55,717 --> 00:13:57,917 Speaker 5: other rules that not necessarily from the Bible, but they 244 00:13:57,957 --> 00:13:59,297 Speaker 5: in there and, you know, you kind of have to 245 00:13:59,337 --> 00:13:59,797 Speaker 5: follow them. 246 00:13:59,837 --> 00:14:02,277 Speaker 1: So I was raised very strict in that. 247 00:14:02,357 --> 00:14:05,557 Speaker 5: And to add on top of it, my parents are 248 00:14:05,597 --> 00:14:08,537 Speaker 5: also pastors from before I was even born. 249 00:14:08,577 --> 00:14:11,547 Speaker 1: So it just added an extra layer to it. So 250 00:14:11,617 --> 00:14:12,597 Speaker 1: they came up here. 251 00:14:12,477 --> 00:14:14,657 Speaker 5: With like, we're going to make sure our children are 252 00:14:14,717 --> 00:14:18,397 Speaker 5: like very much planted in the word of God and 253 00:14:18,437 --> 00:14:21,597 Speaker 5: in the ways of righteousness. So I grew up very sheltered, 254 00:14:21,977 --> 00:14:24,207 Speaker 5: very much like you can't do this, can't do that, 255 00:14:24,247 --> 00:14:26,467 Speaker 5: can't go here. All the stuff that the other kids 256 00:14:26,487 --> 00:14:28,107 Speaker 5: were doing, I was not allowed to do. You're going 257 00:14:28,127 --> 00:14:30,487 Speaker 5: to be in church. Church was my playground. It was 258 00:14:30,527 --> 00:14:34,997 Speaker 5: my school. It was my lunchroom. It was my social. 259 00:14:35,057 --> 00:14:38,057 Speaker 1: It was everything. It was my house at many points. 260 00:14:38,077 --> 00:14:40,507 Speaker 5: So church was just like, That and everything about the 261 00:14:40,527 --> 00:14:43,427 Speaker 5: Caribbean culture was also infused into that very, very intensely. 262 00:14:43,507 --> 00:14:47,827 Speaker 5: So it really influenced like everything about my upbringing and 263 00:14:47,867 --> 00:14:50,467 Speaker 5: everything about how I am today. 264 00:14:51,667 --> 00:14:53,337 Speaker 1: I grew up seeing God as. 265 00:14:53,317 --> 00:14:55,377 Speaker 5: That type of father where it's like, oh yeah, Jesus 266 00:14:55,417 --> 00:14:57,437 Speaker 5: loves you and all that stuff. But if you mess up, 267 00:14:57,537 --> 00:15:00,217 Speaker 5: he's going to whoop your behind type thing. I grew 268 00:15:00,257 --> 00:15:02,357 Speaker 5: up thinking where it's like, if I mess up, I'm 269 00:15:02,397 --> 00:15:04,157 Speaker 5: going to get in so much trouble. 270 00:15:04,697 --> 00:15:06,157 Speaker 1: God is going to be so mad at me. 271 00:15:06,837 --> 00:15:08,257 Speaker 5: And I'm kind of seeing it like how when I 272 00:15:08,297 --> 00:15:10,877 Speaker 5: would get in trouble with my earthly father, I'm thinking of. 273 00:15:10,857 --> 00:15:12,717 Speaker 1: That type of reaction. I feel the shame. 274 00:15:12,777 --> 00:15:14,057 Speaker 5: I don't want to go and tell my dad what 275 00:15:14,097 --> 00:15:16,097 Speaker 5: I did because if I do, he's going to be upset. 276 00:15:16,417 --> 00:15:18,237 Speaker 5: I know he loves me. I know without a doubt 277 00:15:18,297 --> 00:15:20,177 Speaker 5: he loves me, but I'm scared to tell him. So 278 00:15:20,217 --> 00:15:21,437 Speaker 5: I'm going to run away and I'm not going to 279 00:15:21,497 --> 00:15:23,737 Speaker 5: tell him that. And I took that same type of 280 00:15:23,797 --> 00:15:27,277 Speaker 5: behavior into my walk with Christ, which was ineffective. I'm 281 00:15:27,297 --> 00:15:29,297 Speaker 5: not ashamed now. Even if I feel sometimes you feel 282 00:15:29,317 --> 00:15:31,177 Speaker 5: a little guilt, you feel a little shame. But at 283 00:15:31,197 --> 00:15:33,457 Speaker 5: least now I know for a fact that even if 284 00:15:33,497 --> 00:15:34,897 Speaker 5: I feel that little guilt and shame, I better not 285 00:15:34,917 --> 00:15:36,397 Speaker 5: let it last for too long. I need to run 286 00:15:36,417 --> 00:15:38,657 Speaker 5: straight to him and be like, God, this is what happened. 287 00:15:39,037 --> 00:15:39,837 Speaker 5: Please forgive me. 288 00:15:40,297 --> 00:15:40,917 Speaker 1: Help me. 289 00:15:41,097 --> 00:15:43,287 Speaker 5: And then just take the right steps to be better 290 00:15:43,347 --> 00:15:46,367 Speaker 5: and not keep on doing the same errors over and 291 00:15:46,387 --> 00:15:49,327 Speaker 5: over again. Growing up in Montreal, if that's where I'm 292 00:15:49,347 --> 00:15:53,107 Speaker 5: supposed to be and influencing millions of people, Montreal is 293 00:15:53,127 --> 00:15:55,387 Speaker 5: like the worst city to start out in. I'm already 294 00:15:55,427 --> 00:15:57,587 Speaker 5: at a disadvantage. I'm a Black. 295 00:15:57,347 --> 00:16:00,167 Speaker 1: Woman and I am... English speaking. 296 00:16:00,247 --> 00:16:02,667 Speaker 5: And Quebec is like the total opposite of that. I 297 00:16:02,687 --> 00:16:04,887 Speaker 5: don't even speak the same language as the place that 298 00:16:04,927 --> 00:16:08,647 Speaker 5: I live in. And I've faced so many difficulties here. 299 00:16:08,667 --> 00:16:10,387 Speaker 5: I was like, first of all, I'm starting off in 300 00:16:10,427 --> 00:16:12,387 Speaker 5: the wrong place. I used to literally tell God, God, 301 00:16:12,407 --> 00:16:14,977 Speaker 5: I think you accidentally made me grow up in the 302 00:16:14,997 --> 00:16:16,777 Speaker 5: wrong city. I'm like, I think I needed to grow 303 00:16:16,817 --> 00:16:19,937 Speaker 5: up in the States or something like that. And then 304 00:16:20,197 --> 00:16:23,877 Speaker 5: pursuing school and then having to drop out of my 305 00:16:23,937 --> 00:16:25,497 Speaker 5: programs because I was going to be a doctor. And 306 00:16:25,517 --> 00:16:28,307 Speaker 5: then I was going to going to be an actuary 307 00:16:28,467 --> 00:16:31,007 Speaker 5: and just knowing that God is showing me like, that's 308 00:16:31,087 --> 00:16:31,567 Speaker 5: not it. 309 00:16:31,567 --> 00:16:33,087 Speaker 1: That's not the path I had for you. 310 00:16:33,667 --> 00:16:35,947 Speaker 5: So I'm dropping out of those and then I'm not 311 00:16:35,987 --> 00:16:38,747 Speaker 5: seeing results and then I'm quitting my job and I'm 312 00:16:38,827 --> 00:16:41,687 Speaker 5: still not seeing results and I'm finally finding my groove 313 00:16:41,747 --> 00:16:44,287 Speaker 5: and I'm getting somewhere and then I'm getting pulled. 314 00:16:43,727 --> 00:16:47,217 Speaker 1: 10 steps back. It was just a lot of what 315 00:16:47,297 --> 00:16:48,327 Speaker 1: on earth is going on? 316 00:16:49,367 --> 00:16:51,907 Speaker 5: But I'm realizing every step of the way is important 317 00:16:52,047 --> 00:16:54,707 Speaker 5: in developing who you are, my strength, and how I'd 318 00:16:54,727 --> 00:16:56,947 Speaker 5: be able to deal with the opportunities coming my way, 319 00:16:56,967 --> 00:16:58,807 Speaker 5: making sure I don't compromise, making sure I know who 320 00:16:58,867 --> 00:17:01,407 Speaker 5: I am. Before I even got on social media, it 321 00:17:01,447 --> 00:17:05,956 Speaker 5: was all so necessary. So I always knew that was 322 00:17:06,017 --> 00:17:09,436 Speaker 5: something that I was aspiring towards. And I knew I 323 00:17:09,456 --> 00:17:12,437 Speaker 5: was just doing it in a positive light for God's glory. 324 00:17:13,837 --> 00:17:16,686 Speaker 1: But the path to get there was. 325 00:17:18,317 --> 00:17:20,597 Speaker 5: It's not easy and it didn't look like that's where 326 00:17:20,617 --> 00:17:21,817 Speaker 5: it was going to end up at all. There were 327 00:17:21,837 --> 00:17:24,397 Speaker 5: times when it was just like, wow, this is giving 328 00:17:24,417 --> 00:17:28,997 Speaker 5: the total opposite of what my vision is. It's just 329 00:17:29,157 --> 00:17:32,587 Speaker 5: always been important to me, especially when I became a 330 00:17:33,327 --> 00:17:40,367 Speaker 5: young adult to humanize the Christian walk. Because again, the 331 00:17:40,387 --> 00:17:43,627 Speaker 5: way I grew up, it was like there's this disconnect 332 00:17:43,827 --> 00:17:44,487 Speaker 5: with reality. 333 00:17:45,207 --> 00:17:46,527 Speaker 1: You're being raised different. 334 00:17:47,117 --> 00:17:49,256 Speaker 5: In a church or in a culture where it's like, 335 00:17:49,297 --> 00:17:50,957 Speaker 5: don't do this, don't do that, don't do this, don't 336 00:17:50,997 --> 00:17:51,317 Speaker 5: do that. 337 00:17:51,337 --> 00:17:52,917 Speaker 1: It's a sin, it's bad, you'll end up in hell. 338 00:17:53,917 --> 00:17:59,696 Speaker 5: But then there is almost no provisions for, okay, so 339 00:17:59,717 --> 00:18:02,237 Speaker 5: what if I do do it? Most of us know 340 00:18:02,257 --> 00:18:05,177 Speaker 5: the message of forgiveness. You go to God, you confess 341 00:18:05,197 --> 00:18:06,897 Speaker 5: your sins and he forgives you. But then we end 342 00:18:06,917 --> 00:18:11,377 Speaker 5: up in this loop sometimes of being repeat offenders. And 343 00:18:11,477 --> 00:18:13,937 Speaker 5: it's kind of like, well, if I'm a repeat offender, 344 00:18:13,957 --> 00:18:15,367 Speaker 5: I can't just keep going back to God because now 345 00:18:15,407 --> 00:18:18,457 Speaker 5: he's mad at me. And I think that's what's missing 346 00:18:18,937 --> 00:18:21,377 Speaker 5: in so many of our walks. There's nothing perfect about 347 00:18:21,417 --> 00:18:25,716 Speaker 5: the human. The only thing that makes us perfect is 348 00:18:25,737 --> 00:18:29,177 Speaker 5: when we are fully in Christ. Paul literally said over 349 00:18:29,217 --> 00:18:31,297 Speaker 5: and over again, he's like, I will to do good. 350 00:18:31,677 --> 00:18:32,457 Speaker 1: I really do. 351 00:18:32,917 --> 00:18:35,067 Speaker 5: But every time I will to do good, I just, 352 00:18:35,387 --> 00:18:38,387 Speaker 5: I do evil. And I have to kill my flesh 353 00:18:38,607 --> 00:18:42,227 Speaker 5: every single day. And he's showing you that's the human experience. 354 00:18:42,547 --> 00:18:45,987 Speaker 5: You're going to mess up. You're going to do things 355 00:18:46,027 --> 00:18:49,077 Speaker 5: that are outside of what you know you should do. 356 00:18:49,757 --> 00:18:52,277 Speaker 5: And it's not like I get saved and now I'm 357 00:18:52,977 --> 00:18:56,317 Speaker 5: perfect or I'm righteous. It's like, no, righteousness is a 358 00:18:56,417 --> 00:18:58,867 Speaker 5: gift and you have to receive that gift every day. 359 00:19:01,687 --> 00:19:07,186 Speaker 5: I realized that social media wasn't just a creative outlet when. 360 00:19:07,047 --> 00:19:12,747 Speaker 1: I was receiving a And I was just having fun. 361 00:19:13,007 --> 00:19:15,817 Speaker 5: And I was happy that my fun and my success 362 00:19:15,857 --> 00:19:18,557 Speaker 5: was found in Christ. I saw it as, I'm not 363 00:19:18,677 --> 00:19:20,537 Speaker 5: adding to negativity in the world. I may not be 364 00:19:20,577 --> 00:19:22,577 Speaker 5: fixing the world, but I'm not adding to the negativity. 365 00:19:22,697 --> 00:19:26,917 Speaker 5: I'm doing something positive online that's benefiting me and benefiting others. 366 00:19:27,217 --> 00:19:29,797 Speaker 1: In some way or some form. 367 00:19:30,797 --> 00:19:34,077 Speaker 5: So I never really took it too seriously until one 368 00:19:34,117 --> 00:19:37,617 Speaker 5: day my father, he spoke to me and he's like, 369 00:19:38,037 --> 00:19:40,337 Speaker 5: you do realize like what you're doing is ministry, right? 370 00:19:40,377 --> 00:19:42,807 Speaker 5: And you need to take it as such. You need 371 00:19:42,827 --> 00:19:45,777 Speaker 5: to see it as that important. And at first I 372 00:19:45,797 --> 00:19:49,696 Speaker 5: was just like, no, I don't think so. I'm like, 373 00:19:49,737 --> 00:19:52,726 Speaker 5: it's just social media. I'm just making some cute little videos. 374 00:19:53,167 --> 00:19:53,807 Speaker 1: I love Jesus. 375 00:19:53,827 --> 00:19:55,817 Speaker 5: So this is coming off naturally, but I don't see 376 00:19:55,837 --> 00:19:57,437 Speaker 5: that as ministry. I don't see it as a calling. 377 00:19:58,297 --> 00:20:00,236 Speaker 1: And one of the reasons why I responded that way is. 378 00:20:00,237 --> 00:20:02,877 Speaker 5: Because I don't like the idea of the responsibility of 379 00:20:02,917 --> 00:20:04,897 Speaker 5: that because I grew up seeing that. I grew up 380 00:20:04,957 --> 00:20:06,577 Speaker 5: as a PK and I'm like, I don't want that. 381 00:20:06,857 --> 00:20:10,477 Speaker 5: I've never wanted that. It was kind of intimidating. But 382 00:20:10,617 --> 00:20:12,897 Speaker 5: the more I did it, the more I'd receive messages 383 00:20:12,937 --> 00:20:17,367 Speaker 5: from like other pastors and I'd receive from viewers, from teenagers, 384 00:20:17,527 --> 00:20:23,097 Speaker 5: adults talking about their children, being just so overwhelmingly grateful 385 00:20:23,397 --> 00:20:25,337 Speaker 5: and thankful for what I was doing, saying that it 386 00:20:25,397 --> 00:20:27,837 Speaker 5: changed their lives, saying that it brought them back to 387 00:20:27,857 --> 00:20:29,517 Speaker 5: the word and stuff like that. So I'm like, oh, 388 00:20:29,557 --> 00:20:33,017 Speaker 5: this is like a common thread. This is something that's 389 00:20:33,317 --> 00:20:34,277 Speaker 5: consistently trending. 390 00:20:34,307 --> 00:20:35,327 Speaker 1: So I'm like, okay, God. 391 00:20:35,207 --> 00:20:37,367 Speaker 5: Didn't just give this to me to say, oh, I 392 00:20:37,387 --> 00:20:41,287 Speaker 5: got a platform and I do social media. He intentionally 393 00:20:42,007 --> 00:20:44,717 Speaker 5: gave me this opportunity to help people like One of 394 00:20:44,757 --> 00:20:47,657 Speaker 5: the stories with a lady that was about to commit suicide, 395 00:20:48,197 --> 00:20:49,877 Speaker 5: she said she had no idea who I was. And 396 00:20:49,897 --> 00:20:51,917 Speaker 5: one of my videos popped up and it literally stopped 397 00:20:51,957 --> 00:20:56,237 Speaker 5: her from making that decision. And I was just like, okay, yeah, 398 00:20:56,277 --> 00:20:59,367 Speaker 5: this is not just some cute idea of making little 399 00:20:59,387 --> 00:21:06,107 Speaker 5: videos online. I think one of the greatest lessons I've 400 00:21:06,167 --> 00:21:10,027 Speaker 5: learned with my walk with Christ, Dr. Miles Monroe, he 401 00:21:10,087 --> 00:21:12,827 Speaker 5: said in one of his messages before he passed away, 402 00:21:13,437 --> 00:21:19,466 Speaker 5: And he said, God will never show you the detailed 403 00:21:19,567 --> 00:21:21,507 Speaker 5: path to where he's taking you. 404 00:21:21,827 --> 00:21:24,347 Speaker 1: He only gives you like the end vision. 405 00:21:24,647 --> 00:21:26,986 Speaker 5: He drops in your spirit, either in a dream or 406 00:21:27,007 --> 00:21:29,607 Speaker 5: a passion or whatever you desire to do. And you 407 00:21:29,627 --> 00:21:31,506 Speaker 5: can see, oh, this is what I want. That's where 408 00:21:31,527 --> 00:21:33,177 Speaker 5: I'm going to end up. And he paints that picture 409 00:21:33,217 --> 00:21:37,157 Speaker 5: for you. But the steps to get there, he doesn't. 410 00:21:37,297 --> 00:21:40,147 Speaker 5: And then When you go throughout scripture, you see that 411 00:21:40,167 --> 00:21:41,706 Speaker 5: this is not something I'm just making up. This is 412 00:21:41,747 --> 00:21:45,227 Speaker 5: something that is proven. And like an example of that 413 00:21:45,427 --> 00:21:48,827 Speaker 5: is Joseph. When he got the dream, God gave him 414 00:21:48,867 --> 00:21:51,087 Speaker 5: the dream that, you know, his brothers were going to 415 00:21:51,107 --> 00:21:52,687 Speaker 5: bow down to him, that he was going to be 416 00:21:52,727 --> 00:21:55,467 Speaker 5: a ruler over all of them. That's all Joseph saw. 417 00:21:56,027 --> 00:21:57,607 Speaker 5: He just saw that, oh, I'm going to be a ruler. 418 00:21:57,627 --> 00:22:00,246 Speaker 5: I'm going to be on top of my brothers. But 419 00:22:00,267 --> 00:22:01,897 Speaker 5: God didn't show him what he would have to go 420 00:22:01,977 --> 00:22:04,977 Speaker 5: through to get there. He didn't show him the betrayal. 421 00:22:04,997 --> 00:22:06,417 Speaker 5: He didn't show him that his brothers were going to 422 00:22:06,457 --> 00:22:08,677 Speaker 5: try to kill him. He didn't show him that he 423 00:22:08,697 --> 00:22:10,577 Speaker 5: was going to be sold into slavery. He didn't show 424 00:22:10,637 --> 00:22:13,727 Speaker 5: him that he's going to be falsely accused and then 425 00:22:13,767 --> 00:22:14,667 Speaker 5: thrown into prison. 426 00:22:15,487 --> 00:22:17,427 Speaker 1: And then you're going to become the ruler over your brothers. 427 00:22:17,467 --> 00:22:18,467 Speaker 1: He didn't show him all that. 428 00:22:18,667 --> 00:22:21,027 Speaker 5: Because maybe if he showed him that, Joseph would have 429 00:22:21,047 --> 00:22:23,427 Speaker 5: been like, you know what? The end result looks great, 430 00:22:23,467 --> 00:22:24,657 Speaker 5: but I'm a pass, God. 431 00:22:24,677 --> 00:22:28,256 Speaker 1: I'm a pass. That's Abraham. That's David. God gave them 432 00:22:28,277 --> 00:22:31,217 Speaker 1: all these beautiful end visions. And they had no idea 433 00:22:31,237 --> 00:22:32,157 Speaker 1: what they were going to go through. 434 00:22:32,177 --> 00:22:36,157 Speaker 5: And I can see that in my life where God, 435 00:22:36,217 --> 00:22:38,907 Speaker 5: from a very young age, God has showed me. And 436 00:22:40,527 --> 00:22:43,907 Speaker 5: I think it's important for me and creatives like me 437 00:22:44,537 --> 00:22:48,196 Speaker 5: to use our imaginations to paint the picture that the 438 00:22:48,257 --> 00:22:52,097 Speaker 5: Bible is singing. Because not everybody's going to pick up 439 00:22:52,157 --> 00:22:56,677 Speaker 5: a book. I encourage everyone to. But I think creating 440 00:22:56,757 --> 00:23:00,206 Speaker 5: that visual and using the imagination that God gave me, 441 00:23:00,827 --> 00:23:03,307 Speaker 5: using the creativity that God gave me to paint that visual, 442 00:23:03,967 --> 00:23:07,087 Speaker 5: that's going to be a help to get people who 443 00:23:07,147 --> 00:23:09,727 Speaker 5: won't necessarily, like Gen Z, who wouldn't necessarily open the 444 00:23:09,767 --> 00:23:12,417 Speaker 5: Bible and read it. So I think that's the importance 445 00:23:12,657 --> 00:23:17,087 Speaker 5: of using social media effectively. and imagination and creativity to 446 00:23:17,167 --> 00:23:22,927 Speaker 5: reach the generation that's here now. Jesus Listens, July 21st. 447 00:23:23,927 --> 00:23:26,707 Speaker 5: My living Lord, help me not to be so hard 448 00:23:26,767 --> 00:23:29,337 Speaker 5: on myself. I know that you can bring good out 449 00:23:29,357 --> 00:23:33,277 Speaker 5: of everything, even my mistakes. My finite mind tends to 450 00:23:33,297 --> 00:23:37,397 Speaker 5: look backwards, longing to undo decisions I have come to regret. 451 00:23:38,057 --> 00:23:40,587 Speaker 5: This is such a waste of time and energy, leading 452 00:23:40,887 --> 00:23:45,077 Speaker 5: only to frustrations. Instead of floundering in the past, I 453 00:23:45,117 --> 00:23:47,997 Speaker 5: want to release my mistakes to you. As I look 454 00:23:48,037 --> 00:23:51,917 Speaker 5: to you in trust, I'm confident that your infinite creativity 455 00:23:52,397 --> 00:23:55,937 Speaker 5: can weave my good choices and my bad ones into 456 00:23:55,977 --> 00:23:59,257 Speaker 5: a lovely design. I know I'll continue to make mistakes 457 00:23:59,297 --> 00:24:02,777 Speaker 5: in this life because I'm only human. My failures can 458 00:24:02,977 --> 00:24:06,767 Speaker 5: actually be a source of blessing, humbling me and giving 459 00:24:06,787 --> 00:24:11,917 Speaker 5: me empathy for other people in their weaknesses. Also, Failure 460 00:24:12,017 --> 00:24:16,197 Speaker 5: vividly highlights my dependence on you. I'm grateful that you're 461 00:24:16,357 --> 00:24:20,107 Speaker 5: able to bring beauty out of the mores of my mistakes. 462 00:24:20,917 --> 00:24:23,547 Speaker 5: My part is to trust you and watch to see 463 00:24:23,827 --> 00:24:28,067 Speaker 5: what you will do. In your marvelous name, Jesus. 464 00:24:28,667 --> 00:24:28,987 Speaker 1: Amen. 465 00:24:31,287 --> 00:24:34,667 Speaker 4: To learn more about Ariel Fitzpatrick, visit her YouTube channel 466 00:24:34,947 --> 00:24:36,966 Speaker 4: and be sure to check out her new book, I'm 467 00:24:36,987 --> 00:24:40,167 Speaker 4: a C for Myself, A Stubborn Girl's Guide to Trusting God, 468 00:24:40,347 --> 00:24:44,067 Speaker 4: the first time around at your favorite retailer. If you'd 469 00:24:44,087 --> 00:24:46,787 Speaker 4: like to hear more stories about overcoming shame through grace, 470 00:24:47,247 --> 00:24:54,477 Speaker 4: check out our interview with Lisa Harper. Next time on 471 00:24:54,497 --> 00:24:57,657 Speaker 4: the Jesus Calling Podcast, we'll hear from gospel music legends 472 00:24:57,757 --> 00:25:00,657 Speaker 4: Bill and Gloria Gaither, who after years of creating their 473 00:25:00,717 --> 00:25:03,407 Speaker 4: own music, have given their lives to celebrate the gifts 474 00:25:03,447 --> 00:25:07,466 Speaker 4: of others through preserving legendary voices and mentoring young singers. 475 00:25:09,527 --> 00:25:13,577 Speaker 1: I'm grateful back in 62 that God looked at. 476 00:25:13,577 --> 00:25:17,417 Speaker 4: Two school teachers in central Indiana and said, I think 477 00:25:17,477 --> 00:25:18,557 Speaker 4: this is a good thing. 478 00:25:18,577 --> 00:25:20,827 Speaker 1: Because when it's that good, it has to be God. 479 00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:29,186 Speaker 2: And just blessed it. 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