1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, I'm Danielle Gill. Welcome back to the Danielle 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: Gill Show. Today we are going to talk about the 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: conflict in Iran, where the conflict is heading. We're going 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: to speak with Denesh about this issue. 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 2: He's going to give us all of his expertise. 6 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: We're also going to talk about the Obama Presidential Library 7 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: contrasted with the Trump Presidential Library. So stay with us. 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 3: Breaking down politics, culture, and the buzz of the day 9 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: with bold conversations about faith, family and living what you believe. 10 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 3: This is the Danielle Gill Show. 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: I am delighted to welcome our guest today, Denish. 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. 13 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 5: Good stuff, glad to be glad to be. 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: Back on Well, you just dropped a new show that 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 1: was fascinating where you dived into the details with Iran. 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: I know that a lot of the times when you 17 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 1: come on the show, we've talked about this as the 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: conflict has progressed. But maybe you can tell us a 19 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: little bit about what the recent show was about. 20 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 4: The new show is called end Game in Iran. Now, 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 4: an end game is always something you need to think 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 4: about generally before you get into it. It's a little 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 4: bit harder sometimes to think about an endgame when you're 24 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 4: in the middle of something. 25 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 5: Right, If you think about a fight and you have 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 5: a goal. 27 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 4: Some guy, let's say, stole fifty dollars from you, and 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 4: your endgame is you want to get the fifty dollars back. 29 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,839 Speaker 4: But if you start getting into the fight, you haven't 30 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 4: thought about. 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 5: What you want. 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 4: You know, you're in the middle of raining blows and 33 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 4: he's throwing some back. You're too much in the heat 34 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 4: of it to think about any kind of endgame. You're 35 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 4: just you just keep going, he keeps going. So it's 36 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: good to ask ourselves at this stage we should have 37 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 4: thought about this all beforehand. What is our real goal 38 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 4: in Iran? And this is important because there are two possibilities. 39 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 5: Now. 40 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 4: I'm not considering here the people who think Iran is 41 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 4: not a threat, we should not have gotten involved at all. 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 5: It's going to be World War three. 43 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 4: I mean, those people are have been discredited again and 44 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 4: again and again. I'm thinking about what are the two 45 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 4: legitimate objectives in Iran. So there's the ambitious objective and 46 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 4: the more scaled back objectives. Let's call them objectives one 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 4: and two. Objective one is regime change, getting rid of 48 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 4: the Mullahs, producing a new regime in Iran that is 49 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 4: better than the one that is there now. That's objective one. 50 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: Objective two is essentially knocking out the military and terrorist 51 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 4: and nuclear strength of Iran. That's the more modest objective 52 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 4: because you can achieve objective two without getting to one. 53 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 4: Now we seem to have largely achieved objective two, as 54 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 4: Trump has said. Hex that said because basically Iran doesn't 55 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 4: have right now, air force, they don't have a navy, 56 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 4: their facilities are debilitated, not just their nuclear facilities but 57 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 4: all their infrastructure, and there's just not much left over 58 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 4: there in terms of institutional power. But they have a 59 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 4: large territory. It's very difficult to go in there and 60 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 4: pull it out root and brant because the Mulas have 61 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 4: had almost fifty years to take over every school, every 62 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 4: every local council, every business, every organ and media. 63 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 5: So it would require. 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 4: A much more sort of door to door type of 65 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 4: occupation to extricate the Mullas, not just the top Mullas, 66 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 4: but all the Mulas. 67 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 5: And their apparatics from power. 68 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 4: Yes, in fact evokes I think haunting memories like we 69 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 4: tried to do it Iraq, Shanistan. This is essentially what 70 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 4: a lot of people are afraid of. It's quagmire, it's 71 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 4: getting stuck over there. So it may be that we 72 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 4: have reached the point I actually think we have, or 73 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: were close to it. I'm not saying, you know, we 74 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 4: have to withdraw from Iran like on Wednesday or Friday. 75 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 4: I'm saying it is time to start thinking about getting 76 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 4: out because objective to which is, by the way, the 77 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 4: way this war was sold, right the war was sold, 78 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 4: is these people are a big threat to us. They're 79 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 4: trying to get nukes, they're organizing all this terrorist activity. 80 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 4: All right, Well, once you have to mobilized them from that, 81 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 4: then your goal is back is achieved. 82 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 5: Now. 83 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 4: I know that there are people in Iran who would 84 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 4: be disappointed and they'd be like, well, you come so close, 85 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 4: why did we get to regime change? And my answer 86 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 4: to those people, and we can talk about it further, 87 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 4: my answer is that last page is actually up to you. 88 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 5: In fact, I think back to the end of. 89 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: The Cold War, when at some point it was clear 90 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 4: that the regimes were weak, and so the people of Poland, 91 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 4: the people of Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, or Romania, they came into 92 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 4: the speed, they took over the governments, they dealt with 93 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 4: Choo chesscoo. This was not something that had to be 94 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 4: done from the outside. At some point, you create a window, 95 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 4: you create an opportunity, but it's up to the people 96 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 4: of the country to seize back their own country and 97 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 4: take responsibility for their own freedom right. 98 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I do think that it kind 99 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: of came across like, Okay, there's these two polarizing views 100 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: of Iran. Either we don't get involved in any conflicts 101 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: or it's no holes barred, full blown war situation, which 102 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 1: of course hasn't really been the case because it's been 103 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: a very nuanced fight. Do you think that there's been 104 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: a turning point where now you're saying, okay, you know, 105 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: we kind of we went after the nukes. 106 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 2: We did that. 107 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Now we don't need to send boots on the ground. 108 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: Is that kind of the message or how long I 109 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: guess do you also foresee this going on? Because some 110 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 1: people would say, okay, six weeks, you know, however many 111 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: weeks and then other people say, okay, if this is 112 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: still going on past the midterms, that might not be 113 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: good for the Republicans, what's your analysis. 114 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:24,599 Speaker 4: Let's leave the mid terms to decide for a moment, 115 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,799 Speaker 4: because I don't want it to seem like I'm making 116 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 4: an analysis that says, hey, let's get out of Iran 117 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 4: because we've got some midterms coming up. I want to 118 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 4: just focus on the analysis for just a minute, because 119 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: I think that we should always think about ends and mean, 120 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 4: the end is what you want. So in terms of 121 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 4: the end, I would like to see the Mulla's fall. 122 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 4: I'm not worried about those. Well, nurse you, we have 123 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 4: no idea what's going to come next. I don't know 124 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 4: for sure what's going to come next. It could be 125 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 4: a monarchy. It could be a constitutional monarchy. It could 126 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: be an authoritarian system similar to the ones we see 127 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 4: in the Gulf kingdoms. 128 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 5: It could be a parliamentary democracy. 129 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 4: It doesn't really matter because one thing, we can be 130 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 4: pretty sure what would come after would be a lot 131 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 4: better than what we have now. And that's the measure 132 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: of politics. You never get perfection, you never get utopia. 133 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 4: You get something better and you should be happy with you. 134 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 4: Look at Russia. You know, at the end of the 135 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 4: Cold War we got Putin. 136 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 5: Is he a good guy? Not really. 137 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: It's a bit of a gangster Russia has a kind 138 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 4: of gangster capitalism going on. It's a mafioso type of system. 139 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 4: But is it better than the Soviet Union. Yes, So 140 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 4: even in the Cold War, a great victory for the West, 141 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: we got an outcome that's less than ideal, but nevertheless 142 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 4: huge improvement. Now, even if you have a worthy goal 143 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 4: getting rid of Malla's, you then have to ask a 144 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 4: second question, what price. 145 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 5: Are you willing to pay? And I am not willing to. 146 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 4: Pay the price smitting US food into a kind of 147 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 4: prolonged conflict over there. 148 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 5: Now. 149 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 4: Interestingly, in my view, this is where the US and 150 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 4: Israeli interest might diverge. 151 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 5: In fact, I think it does diverge. 152 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 4: The Iranians were one of the actors he forces behind 153 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: October seven. 154 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 5: Israel has every right to strike back at them. Israel 155 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 5: has every right to say. 156 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 4: In fact, when I interviewed net and Yahoo for the 157 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 4: Dragon's Prophecy, he said to me, he said, I want 158 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 4: to remake the map of the Middle East, and in 159 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: his map as he envisions it, maybe Iran is no 160 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 4: longer ruled by the Moullas. So Israel might decide and 161 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 4: It's people might support we want to go all the way, 162 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 4: and I would say to them, my guest, I wish 163 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 4: you well. America continues to be a ally, but it 164 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 4: is not our fight that degree. But the thing is, 165 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 4: this is not right way as they are. 166 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 5: You know, allies often do diverge, like I mean, think 167 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 5: of it. 168 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: The United States and Britain could not have been closer 169 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 4: allies in the nineteen thirty and yet when Germany attacked 170 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,839 Speaker 4: Poland and Britain got into World War two, America didn't. 171 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 4: We said to the British, look, yeah, we sympathize with you. 172 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 4: We don't like the Nazis either, but it's not our 173 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 4: fight yet, right And we said that because it wasn't 174 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 4: until the Japanese attacked in Pearl Harbor nineteen forty one 175 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: two years later. 176 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 5: Only then did the US get in. 177 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 4: And what I'm saying here in this situation is my 178 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 4: message in a sense to Israel is it's not our 179 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:45,719 Speaker 4: fight anymore. 180 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 5: By that, I mean simply, you. 181 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: Want to go all the way and take it to 182 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 4: the Mallahs and take it street by street and eject 183 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 4: them from power. That's a good thing. We actually support 184 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 4: that goal, but we don't want to. We do not 185 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 4: think it is in our national troops to achieve that goal. 186 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 4: Now again, I'm not second guessing Trump. I'm calling this as. 187 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 5: I see it. 188 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 4: But as it turns out you mentioned earlier the midterms, 189 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: I think I am offering a pathway that is unifying 190 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 4: for our party for the mid terms, because if we're 191 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 4: able to say, all right, you know what he achieved, 192 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 4: our objectives declare victory, we're getting out, I think that 193 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 4: the skeptics on the right would heave a sigh of 194 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 4: relief and we could all focus jointly on the important 195 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: things that need to be done between now and November. 196 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 1: M It does seem interesting because the faster the conflict is, 197 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: in a way, the less prolonged the inviting. Really is 198 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: not that that's the main goal to mitigate that, but 199 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: it is kind of good to say, Okay, look, we 200 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: have these quick victories and now we can kind of 201 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: move on or focus on some other some other things 202 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: going on here. 203 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 2: Do you think that. 204 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: The relationship between I guess the other countries in the 205 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: Middle East, I mean, what do you think are the 206 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: biggest factors at play that could be pulling kind of 207 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: us in different directions beyond maybe just the direct kind 208 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: of situation with the Malas in Iran, maybe even leaving 209 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: us at Israel, but just other Muslim countries, because other 210 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: ones they have also been on our side with this 211 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: conflict too. Do you think that could be part. 212 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: Of this Well, I think that all helps in what 213 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 4: I'm recommending, because in fact, one of our fears with 214 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 4: regard to Israel or ally is that if we would 215 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 4: draw at any point, were leaving Israel alone and isolating. 216 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 4: But that's not the case right now because a number 217 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 4: of the Arab countries, from Saudi Arabia to the United 218 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 4: Arab Emirates to Kuttar, these are by the way powerful 219 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: countries and they have resources available to them, well, almost 220 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: unlimited financial resources, but they also have military resources, and 221 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 4: they have a lot of power in the Middle Eastern. 222 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 4: They also have the power of being able to deny 223 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 4: Iran the claim of seeking for it, which has been 224 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 4: one of Iran's You know, we are on the front 225 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 4: lines of fighting for Islam. It would have been very 226 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 4: clever of Iran to try to make this look like 227 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: a fight against Islam, but they have bungled that and 228 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 4: by launching attacks on some of the other Muslim countries. 229 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 4: They have infuriated the leaders of those countries, who are 230 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: now in a sense allied. They may not be actively 231 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 4: in the fight yet, but they've already started doing things 232 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 4: like confiscating Iranian money in their countries and limiting Iranian access, 233 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 4: and of course condemning Iran publicly and diplomatically. So I 234 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 4: think all of this means that all these other countries 235 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 4: are now keeping a watchful eye over Iran, and that 236 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:03,719 Speaker 4: is also a good thing. 237 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 5: This was actually a comma. 238 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 4: Gift to the United States and Israel, because if had 239 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 4: Iran not in a certain I think foolish way, attack 240 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: those countries, they would not have made all these additional enemy, 241 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 4: very bad. 242 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 5: Enemies for them to have. Wow. 243 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 1: Well, zooming out a little bit, maybe you can tell 244 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: us a little bit about what do you think the 245 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: left wants in this conflict? What do you think Obama 246 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: would want or benefit from? Because of course the left, 247 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: they are always coming out against Trump, so we know 248 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: that that's kind of their default mode. You just oppose 249 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: anything Trump does. But what do you think is in 250 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: the interest for the left ideologically. 251 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 4: Well, Obama and the Obama kind of left, which is 252 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 4: the most powerful left. Those are the people who are 253 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: running the country Underbiden. These people wanted, and I think 254 00:13:56,280 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: still want Iran to get nuclear weapons. They can't say that, 255 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 4: So their idea was, how do we help them to 256 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 4: practically do it while publicly disavowing that that is our goal. 257 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 5: This was the essence of the Iran Deed. The essence 258 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 5: of the Iran Deal. 259 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 6: Was, we figured all the way to try to prevent 260 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,240 Speaker 6: Iran from building a nuclear weapon, and we're going to 261 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 6: do this by giving them hundreds of billions billions dollars 262 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 6: of pallets and cash, and we're going to reduce our 263 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 6: inspections the nuclear sites because they've given us assurances. 264 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 5: Blah blah blah. And see what's going on here. 265 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: Obama pretends rhetorically this is classic Obama, like I am 266 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 4: I am slowing down Iran from building a nuclear weapon, 267 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 4: whereas in reality, through financial mechanisms, diplomatic mechanisms, oversight mechanisms, 268 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 4: he's hurrying them up. Now, for a lot of Americans, 269 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 4: it's really hard to believe, even for a lot of conservatives. 270 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: They keep thinking, well, no, Obama doesn't want them to 271 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 4: get a nuclear weapon, and either he just doesn't understand 272 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 4: this is our In fact, this was my topic of 273 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 4: the monologue you know last week was our foolishness and 274 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: thinking that Left doesn't understand what they're doing well, always 275 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 4: trying to like it rucked them as a worthy adult, 276 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 4: and they're the kid, and we need to. 277 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 5: Give them lessons on how to occur Iran. 278 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 4: It is they want to strengthen the enemies of America, 279 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 4: and the reason for it quite simply is that they 280 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 4: hate traditional America as much as the enemies. Obama feels 281 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: the same way about traditional America. You asked, Obama, give 282 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 4: the Malas and Obama a common lesson American history. Do 283 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 4: you think that the American founding is a good idea? 284 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 4: Mala's no, Obama. Do you think it's a good idea 285 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 4: for America to be the world's fool superpower Balla's no, Obama. No, 286 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 4: would be a good thing to see America considerably weakened 287 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 4: and other powers rise that you don't have a polar 288 00:16:06,680 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 4: world with. 289 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 5: A multi polar world. The Malas, yes, Obama. 290 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 4: You can see as we go down here, there's a 291 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 4: commonality of gold. 292 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 5: So it's not surprising that Obama takes us speak. 293 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: Since we're on the topic of Obama, and I know 294 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: that this is an area in which you are an 295 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: expert on this person. Why don't we talk a little 296 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: bit about the libraries of Obama and the upcoming library 297 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 1: for Trump. I know that Obama's library is coming up Chicago, 298 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: major site for sore eyes. It's incredibly ugly. And then 299 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: we have Trump. Of course, his style is completely different 300 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: from Obama's. So maybe you can tell us a little 301 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: bit about these two presidential libraries for our recent presidents. 302 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 4: Well, the new information is coming from video that Eric 303 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 4: Trump just posted, and it is the architectural vision. A 304 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 4: nice thing about architecture these days is that. 305 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 5: They essentially give you a visual preview of what the 306 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 5: whole thing is going to look like. 307 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 4: And so the architectural review of the Trump Library. Now, 308 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 4: it's very Trump. In fact, it looks like a Trump hotel. 309 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 4: It's got kind of a gold blaze, It's got Trump's 310 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: nave on it. It's like a tall tower, similar to 311 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 4: Trump Tower in Vegas, even Trump Tower in New York City. 312 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 4: It inside looks like it's God forums for meetings from 313 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 4: people all over the world. It's got a ritzy kind 314 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 4: of air to it, and I believe it's going to 315 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 4: have Air Force one in there, so a big hangar 316 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 4: and places where you can have receptions in the hangar 317 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: and have large numbers of people visit. Now, the location 318 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 4: is Florida and it's the post of Florida. So Trump 319 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 4: has picked a library a architectural style very much keeping 320 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 4: with his own personality, just as Obama has. And so 321 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 4: the two side by side couldn't be a more dramatic contrast. 322 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 4: I mean Obama's library it's uh, it's it's a modern monstrosity, 323 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 4: doesn't even look like a normal building, looks like a 324 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 4: trash dump that has been made into five stories and uh. 325 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 4: And it has even the lettering. Now it doesn't have 326 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 4: Obama library itself. It has this lettering, but it's not 327 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 4: like normal lettering like you can you can read. It's 328 00:18:54,880 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 4: lettering that looks like a Kune form or hieroglyphics. And 329 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 4: it's the combination of the ugly and the bizarre, which 330 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 4: I think does characterize Obama pretty well. It's not really 331 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 4: I'm not saying it's a physical description of Obama, but 332 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 4: I think it's almost like it's almost like the two 333 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 4: libraries are a window into the two men. 334 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's interesting because modern art is just so 335 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: ugly and it really does speak to the soul. 336 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: And so the left, though, they love that stuff. 337 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: They love the modern art that's like postmodern, or it's 338 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: beyond trash. 339 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 2: It's just shapes. 340 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 5: I don't even know. 341 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 2: It's just a place you wouldn't want to be. 342 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 4: And you know, when I was younger, Daniel, the interestingly, 343 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:46,199 Speaker 4: the left was, I would say, the party that seemed 344 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 4: to be the party of beauty. And I say this 345 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 4: because by and large, the left was obsessed with beauty 346 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 4: at many different levels. The left was much more into 347 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 4: classical music, for example, than the right, and the left 348 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 4: was very much into physical appearances, books, just physical beauty. 349 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 4: The left was also, in general, much more into academics, 350 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 4: and by that I mean they were They're all over 351 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 4: the idea of studying literature. And if somebody wanted to 352 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 4: get a PhD in literature, they're much more. 353 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 5: Likely to be on the left. 354 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 4: So it's interesting that beauty has become increasingly a kind 355 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 4: of prerogative of the right. The left has become alienated 356 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: from great literature. They don't want to study it except 357 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 4: to like deconstruct it, think of what a deconstruction like 358 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 4: taking the beauty down. And similarly, the left has become 359 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 4: very much into very skeptical of physical attractiveness. They're into 360 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 4: body positivity, you know, the fat affirmation movement. Then, of course, 361 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 4: sure enough it's mirrored an architecture where the uglier the style, 362 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 4: the more the left gravitates. And then in paintings suddenly 363 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 4: you know this, Well, this is not a new development, 364 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 4: but it's new to the. 365 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 5: Degree that even mainstream people. 366 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 4: A billionaire on the left, oh, yeah, so I want 367 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 4: my house, but no, I don't really want any furniture 368 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 4: in it. Instead, I want like a series of built 369 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 4: right in the middle of my living group. This is 370 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,439 Speaker 4: freakish and it's freakingly ugly, and it is it doesn't 371 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 4: elevate life. And so that has now become a feature 372 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 4: of the right. But it wasn't always like that. 373 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it seems like too. Yeah. 374 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,679 Speaker 1: The older kind of perception was, oh, the liberals are cool, 375 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: they're the Hollywood people, they're the you know, the people 376 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: who have it going on, and the right people were correct, 377 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: but we're not as Yeah, we're not as in to 378 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: get the appearances or just being cool, so to speak. 379 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: But now it seems like the left because they've embraced ugliness, 380 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: because they've embraced weirdness, and they've gone beyond. It's almost like, 381 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: once you protest something too far, you lose even the base, 382 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: or you lose the center of what is even like 383 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: considered acceptable, and they've lost that. And then on the right, 384 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: I think we went down this road. I guess maybe 385 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: you can speak to this. Tell me if you think 386 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: this is true that right wingers were kind of like 387 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,040 Speaker 1: maybe more libertarian some decades ago. Maybe they were kind 388 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: of like, Okay, we just like utilitarian things. 389 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 2: We just like, you know, to let other people do whatever. 390 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 2: But that's okay because. 391 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 1: We have common sense or we have a system to 392 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: get where we want to go. And now it seems 393 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: like right like like right wingers are realizing more that no, 394 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,639 Speaker 1: we do like good, true, beautiful things, which is more conservative, 395 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: I would say than libertarian. And the left isn't really 396 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: used to conservatives liking those things. They're used to having 397 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,040 Speaker 1: the monopoly over culture. 398 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 4: The left, as it started moving in the direction of ugliness, 399 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 4: they thought, no problem, we'll just make ugliness cool and 400 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:16,479 Speaker 4: they worked really hard to pull it off. Yeah, they 401 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 4: would produce a feminist with like a full scale mustache 402 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 4: and basically go, she's beautiful. 403 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 5: Uh. 404 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: They will take Michelle Obama and Donald Trump's Millennia Trump, 405 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 4: put him side by side and say, with a total 406 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 4: straight face, Michelle Obama's ten times better looking at la Trump. 407 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 5: Wow. Right, now, it can be done to a point. 408 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: I mean, if you own Vogue magazine and you own 409 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 4: you know, if you if you dominate the culture, you 410 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 4: can say this on it again and again again, and 411 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,479 Speaker 4: there will be a small cohort of people that that 412 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 4: kind of are intimidated into going along with you because 413 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 4: they grew that you are the culture commissars, and you 414 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,880 Speaker 4: set the standards and you control the organs of culture. 415 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 5: But at a certain point, I think. 416 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 4: What you're getting at here is that you realize the 417 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 4: emperor has no clothes and know that you know the 418 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 4: trans woman I either biological man in a dress, not 419 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 4: the most beautiful person in the room with all those women. Uh, 420 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 4: And so you can't pull it off. So the left 421 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 4: wing charade is classical. That's true. On the right made 422 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 4: a really subtle point here that's worth highlighting, and that 423 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: is that libertarianism has in a way deflected our attention 424 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 4: away from what is good and true and beautiful because 425 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,639 Speaker 4: it monomoniacally focuses on the issue of having a choice. 426 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 5: These libertarians, I want. 427 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 6: To have a choice, So girl, what the choice you make? 428 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 6: But I want to have a choice. Leave me alone, 429 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 6: Let me make my choice, you know. And and it's 430 00:24:59,040 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 6: like and. 431 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 4: Because you keep doing that, nobody pays any attention to 432 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 4: what anyone chooses, and so the libertarian almost becomes indifferent 433 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 4: to the they'll deny this, but they become indifferent to 434 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 4: the content of choice because they spend all day emphasizing 435 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 4: choice itself. 436 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 5: But it is true. 437 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 4: I think that libertarism leads to a certain type of 438 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 4: cultural indifference, not necessarily at the individual level, but certainly 439 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 4: at the level of the culture itself. You're indifferent between 440 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 4: whether someone takes drugs or not because they have a 441 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 4: right to take drugs. We have a right to choose. 442 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 4: So you're all focused on the right. You're not focused 443 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 4: on the bag. That guy's out of his mind. He's 444 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 4: ruined his life. He can't support himself anymore, his parents 445 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: can't look after him. He's spreading the murderous sister. So 446 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,880 Speaker 4: this is the I would say the limitation and ballast 447 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 4: of libertarianism. So conservatism always said, no, choice is important, 448 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 4: but choice is a means to an end. 449 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,879 Speaker 5: What is really important is what right. 450 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: And there is a hierarchy of goods, there is right 451 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: and wrong all those things. Somehow the libertarians always end 452 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: up smelling like weed. Somehow they're always the people who 453 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: want more people that have access to drugs and someone. 454 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: And so I think there was a time when it 455 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: was like, maybe they were the cool people on the right, 456 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: but they're not the cool people anymore because even if 457 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: you know, we still have some libertarians on our side. Ultimately, 458 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: I think conservatism is much more rooted in long term 459 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: stability and values and also religion, also Christianity, which is 460 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: not really a who cares mentality but a very you know, 461 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 1: set belief system. So I guess as we go back 462 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: to the Obamas, as we go back to talking about 463 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 1: them versus Trump, what do you think This is kind 464 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: of just a random question, but what do you think 465 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: has been the biggest change for people who are bureaucrats 466 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: in DC or who were at these long term jobs 467 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 1: when they see a president like Obama or a Biden 468 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 1: and an experienced Trump. I know some of them have 469 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: been fired, so some of them have lost their jobs, 470 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: they've been canned. They're not in the swamp anymore, but 471 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 1: there might be some survivors. So how do you think 472 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: they're impacted by these kinds of things. 473 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 5: I think the main difference is not even so much ideological. 474 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 4: You would think that as the presidency moves from Republican 475 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 4: to Democrat, the bureaucrats who have been essentially having a 476 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 4: feast under the Democrats, where their jobs are safe, more 477 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,920 Speaker 4: money is being shoveled their way. The whole enterprise of 478 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 4: government is aimed at looting the citizens more and transferring 479 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 4: more wealth from the private sector to the public sector. 480 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 4: It would be hog heaven the bureau That's generally true, 481 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 4: and you would think that they would become a little 482 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 4: more uneasy. Even Republicans come in because there's always at 483 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 4: least talk, even if it's not always followed up by 484 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 4: action of getting rid of departments or the scaling the 485 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 4: back and creating efficiency commissions a la Doge, and so 486 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 4: that the bureaucrats would be a little more rest But 487 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 4: I think with Trump it's it goes more than that. 488 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 4: It's not just the ideological dimension because Trump comes in 489 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 4: and basically goes. You know, the government is essentially like 490 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 4: a big hotel, or the government is like a big 491 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:32,680 Speaker 4: trump power. I want employees who are efficient, who look 492 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 4: forward to their jobs, come up with creative ideas, who 493 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 4: make their sectors better. Who uh, And so these bureaucrats 494 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 4: are like, what I mean, we've never heard of such 495 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 4: a thing. We don't We've never thought about a bottom 496 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 4: line or for the public sector. So the job of 497 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 4: a school is, for example, not to educate anybody. It's 498 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 4: just to create employment for all the bureaucrats who run around. 499 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 4: And so the more more seminars we have and the 500 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 4: more meetings we have, you know, this is what we're 501 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 4: here to do. We're not here to do anything. And this, 502 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 4: by the way, although this seems like a very caricatured 503 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 4: view of government, I can tell you close up that 504 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,760 Speaker 4: this is actually what the government is. 505 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 5: You have a Department of Education, thousands of employees. You know, 506 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 5: the building. 507 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 4: It stretches across a giant block, and that's only one 508 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,600 Speaker 4: part of it. There's a lot more to it, and 509 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 4: of course many scattered buildings all over the place. The 510 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 4: Department of Education with all its tens of thousands of employees, 511 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 4: educates nobody. And then you have a Department of Transportation, 512 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 4: and it's just a big maybe bigger, and it doesn't 513 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 4: transport anybody from here to there. 514 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 5: It doesn't make a single car, it doesn't make a sign, 515 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:50,160 Speaker 5: but or plane, and on and on the list you go. 516 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 4: A Department of Energy doesn't really make any energy either. 517 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:58,680 Speaker 4: So the Department of Energy this to confiscate resources from 518 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 4: the energy sector transfer them to the company. The Department 519 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 4: of Transportation exists to rip off the transportation sector and 520 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 4: transfer resources to the government. Uh, this is what the 521 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 4: government is there for. The bureaucrats at some level. The 522 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 4: lazy bureaucrat who sits what's his leg up his desk, 523 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 4: doesn't do one thing, arrives at let's say late in 524 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 4: the morning, sits there, has about seven cups of coffee, 525 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 4: and then goes a little early to lunch, takes the 526 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 4: two and a half hour lunch, comes back for an hour, 527 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: and then leaves early to beat the traffic. That guy 528 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: actually knows what government is there to do. Government is 529 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 4: there to do? 530 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: Wow, these agencies, these people are just absolutely worthless. We 531 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: have to just drain it even further because yeah, there's 532 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: so many useless, useless agencies, useless buildings. 533 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 2: It's crazy. 534 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: Well, well, thank you so much for joining us today 535 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: and diving into this conflict and everything going on with 536 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: the Obamas. 537 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 5: Good stuff always. 538 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 2: Well, that wraps up today's show. 539 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: If you enjoyed the show, make sure to find me 540 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: I am Danielle Gill on all the platforms Facebook, Instagram, 541 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: ex True Social, YouTube and Rumble and I'll see you 542 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: next time. 543 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 3: Breaking down politics, culture, and the buzz of the day 544 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,760 Speaker 3: with bold conversations about faith, family, and living what you believe. 545 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 3: This is the Danielle Gill Show.