WEBVTT - MY PROBLEM WITH NIXONMAXXING

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<v Speaker 1>The newest trend of unconservative young people is Nixon maxing.

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<v Speaker 1>A recent article in The Wall Street Journal described the phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon has become a popular figure in viral YouTube, Instagram

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<v Speaker 1>and TikTok videos, where his archival footage is typically paired

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<v Speaker 1>with rap music. The Nixon Foundation is actively pushing this content. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>some of this hoopla is mere nostalgia, Nixon maxing, hats

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<v Speaker 1>and Nixon geear Nixon now more than ever, items, and

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<v Speaker 1>so on.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's more to it than this.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon maxing means maxing out on Nixon, going all in

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<v Speaker 1>on Nixon, in a sense, resurrecting Nixon from the dustment

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<v Speaker 1>of history and making him an important and relevant figure again.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon has become the younger generation's uncool cool guy. The

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon revival is a bit surprising because for the past

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<v Speaker 1>several decades, the iconic conservative figure was Reagan. Reagan dominated

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<v Speaker 1>the era from nineteen eighty to two thousand and eight

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<v Speaker 1>these are my dates for the Reagan era, and Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has dominated from twenty fifteen to now. Other figures Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford,

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<v Speaker 1>the two Bushes have been consigned to the shadows. To

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<v Speaker 1>the hazy background of history. Young conservatives, however, seem a

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<v Speaker 1>bit out of sync with Reagan. They don't identify with

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan's sunny optimism, his big sky conservatism, and so they've

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<v Speaker 1>picked Nixon as a sort of anti Reagan. They picked

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<v Speaker 1>the guy the left hated the most, the president they've

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<v Speaker 1>tried to stomp on for fifty years, and that guy

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<v Speaker 1>is now their new hero. Now I'm not a Nixon Maxer,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think the reappraisal of Nixon is both welcome

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<v Speaker 1>and overdue. Jade Vance recently said nice things about Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>at the Nixon Library, comparing Nixon to Trump. To give

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<v Speaker 1>my own take on Nixon, which comes not from a

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<v Speaker 1>millennial or gen Z, but from someone who came to

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<v Speaker 1>America as a teenager in the aftermath of the Nixon era.

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<v Speaker 1>I came to America in nineteen seventy eight. Nixon had

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<v Speaker 1>been out of office for four years, and Jimmy Carter

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<v Speaker 1>was elected in nineteen seventy six. Now, Republicans suffered a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible wipeout in the midterm election of nineteen seventy four.

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<v Speaker 1>This was the year Nixon resigned his office. Ford was

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<v Speaker 1>the well meaning but clumsy successor. Nixon's failure, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, gave Democrats not only the presidency, but large

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<v Speaker 1>majorities in the House and the Senate. Yes, Nixon one

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine states in nineteen seventy two, but he still

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<v Speaker 1>never had the sweeping control of the government that his

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<v Speaker 1>removal and disgrace gave the Democrats. Jimmy Carter almost destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>the country until the American people came to their census

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<v Speaker 1>and elected Reagan. Reagan defined a whole era as Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>did not. Both served two terms and both one with

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<v Speaker 1>big majority. But Reagan had a revolution and Nixon didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan brought the top marginal tax rate down from seventy

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<v Speaker 1>percent to twenty eight percent. Reagan won the Cold War,

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<v Speaker 1>helped deliberate Eastern Europe, and brought down Soviet Communism itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what does Nixon have.

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<v Speaker 2>To compare to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Nixon went to China and he played an important

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<v Speaker 1>role in breaking a potential Soviet Chinese alliance. In a way,

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<v Speaker 1>he separated the Russian Communists from the Chinese communists. Nixon's

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<v Speaker 1>bold move did contain Soviet expansion, but it opened a

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<v Speaker 1>pathway to closer ties with China. And what has that

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<v Speaker 1>brought us well a mixed bag. China was a sleepy,

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<v Speaker 1>backward nation when Nixon went there. Since Nixon opened up China,

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<v Speaker 1>it's become more dangerous than the Soviet Union ever was.

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<v Speaker 1>It's now an economic and military juggernaut, basically the manufacturing

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<v Speaker 1>hub of the world, and China's become our new rival

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<v Speaker 1>and adversary. So the Soviet bear has been displaced by

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<v Speaker 1>the Chinese dragon. Reagan described the Soviet Union as an

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<v Speaker 1>evil empire. Nixon never understood the ideological dimension of Soviet totalitarianism.

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<v Speaker 1>For him, the Russians were no different than the Prussian

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<v Speaker 1>Empire or Napoleon. Nixon studied Klauswitz and Sunsu to learn

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<v Speaker 1>how great powers deal with one another. Nixon was into

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<v Speaker 1>the art of warfare because that's what statesmanship was for him,

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<v Speaker 1>and art. He agreed with the Democrats and the need

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<v Speaker 1>for arms control, but insisted on what he called hard

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<v Speaker 1>headed deton He scorned Reagan's goal of rolling back the

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<v Speaker 1>Soviet Empire itself, regarding that prospect as an ideological pipe dream, foolish, reckless,

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<v Speaker 1>and dangerous. Now domestically, Nixon was a liberal. Not only

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<v Speaker 1>did he lavishly fund New Deal in great society projects.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also, in a sense, the founder of DEI. When

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<v Speaker 1>Lyndon Johnson advocated for government sponsored affirmative action, the first

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<v Speaker 1>significant affirmative action project on the part of the government

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<v Speaker 1>was carried out by Nixon. He backed racial preferences for

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<v Speaker 1>blacks in the public sector unions in Philadelphia. Nixon's program

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<v Speaker 1>was called the Philadelphia Plan. Now, Nixon's motive was Machiavelli,

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<v Speaker 1>and Nixon was a sneaky political operative. He knew the

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<v Speaker 1>Philadelphia unions were dominated by working class white Democrats. He

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to drive a wedge between the blacks and the

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<v Speaker 1>working class whites. So this was his reason for pushing

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<v Speaker 1>affirmative action or DEI. But hey, in the end, Nixon's

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<v Speaker 1>maneuver backfire. The Democrats got the blacks and they kept

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<v Speaker 1>the white working class.

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<v Speaker 2>The joke was on Nixon.

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<v Speaker 1>The EI became expanded and embedded in the American workforce,

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<v Speaker 1>first in the public sector and then in the private sector.

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<v Speaker 1>So Nixon, I'm sorry to say, had a big role

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<v Speaker 1>in starting it. Nixon was not really a conservative. How

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<v Speaker 1>could he be. He didn't even know what conservatism was.

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<v Speaker 1>He was certainly a patriot and anti communist. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>he liked Pat Buchanan so much. Buchanan, too was fiercely

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<v Speaker 1>pro man American and anti communist. But Buchanan recounts in

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<v Speaker 1>his autobiography how Nixon kept asking him, Pat, who are

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<v Speaker 1>these conservatives? What did the conservatives believe? Nixon was asking

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<v Speaker 1>as an outsider. Not only did he not regard himself

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<v Speaker 1>as a conservative, but he viewed conservatives as some strange breed,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had to investigate.

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<v Speaker 2>Who they were and what they believed.

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<v Speaker 1>For these reasons, Nixon's blindness to Soviet ideology, his welfare

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<v Speaker 1>state liberalism, his role in affirmative action and DEI, and

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<v Speaker 1>his manifest ignorance of conservatism, many conservatives at the time

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<v Speaker 1>did not like Nixon. Several times did I hear the

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<v Speaker 1>publisher of National Review, Bill Rusher say I hated Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>until Watergate. Russia's point is that only when the left

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<v Speaker 1>tried to destroy Nixon did conservatives rush to his defense.

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<v Speaker 1>Given all this, I asked myself, what is the great

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<v Speaker 1>appeal of Nixon?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Why do young people today find Nixon a more interesting

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<v Speaker 1>figure than Reagan? Why do we have Nixon maxing but

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<v Speaker 1>no Reagan maxing? Is this simply a case of the

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<v Speaker 1>younger generation rebelling against its elders and picking its own guy?

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<v Speaker 2>Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe, but why him? I think a single experience I

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<v Speaker 1>had with Nixon, the one time I met Richard Nixon,

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<v Speaker 1>the one time I got a photo with Richard Nixon,

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<v Speaker 1>might help to answer this question. I can't remember the

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<v Speaker 1>year exactly, it was in the early to mid nineteen nineties.

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<v Speaker 1>I lived in Washington, d C, where I was a

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<v Speaker 1>scholar at the American Enterprise Institute. Several of my a

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<v Speaker 1>Dartmouth buddies, about ten of us also came to d

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<v Speaker 1>C to be part of the Reagan Revolution, and we

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<v Speaker 1>asked ourselves who is the person we would like most

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<v Speaker 1>to meet? We had a list, was it Reagan, Margaret Thatcher,

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<v Speaker 1>like Valenza Gorbachev, Pope John Paul the Second. We agreed

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<v Speaker 1>that the person we most wanted to meet not the

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<v Speaker 1>most consequential person, but the most interesting, was Richard Nixon.

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<v Speaker 2>But how to meet him? Well.

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<v Speaker 1>One of our group, Greg Fasstal, a dartmucd grad who

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<v Speaker 1>worked as an editorial writer at the Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 1>was a Nixon admirer. Greg was brilliant, but also a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of an extra centric and Nixon was also eccentric.

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<v Speaker 1>So Greg identified with Nixon, and he had several years

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<v Speaker 1>earlier written a letter to Nixon, and Nixon at courteously replied, So,

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<v Speaker 1>Greg was kind of our in with Nixon, But what

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<v Speaker 1>to say to him? We came up with the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of inviting him to address the Dartmouth Breakfast Club. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no such thing as a Dartmouth Breakfast Club,

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<v Speaker 1>but on the spot we started it. We made up

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<v Speaker 1>a letterhead and Greg sent an invitation to Nixon. To

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<v Speaker 1>our amazement, he said, yes, we had breakfast, if I

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<v Speaker 1>recall correctly, at the hay Adams Hotel. We rented a

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<v Speaker 1>room and had a photographer. That's how I got my

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<v Speaker 1>photo with Nixon. He was very generous with us. After

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<v Speaker 1>the breakfast, he gave a fifteen minute talk on foreign policy,

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<v Speaker 1>a brief tour de horizon of current events. He took questions,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's one of those questions and his reply that

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<v Speaker 1>has stayed with.

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<v Speaker 2>Me over all these years.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Greg, who was never shy to ask awkward questions,

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<v Speaker 1>put this question to Nixon. How is it He asked

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<v Speaker 1>that Reagan survived the Iran contrast, but you were forced

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<v Speaker 1>to resign over Watergate. In both cases, the Democrats tried

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<v Speaker 1>to impeach and destroy a Republican president.

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<v Speaker 2>But in Reagan's case they failed. With you.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't impeach you, but they did get you out

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<v Speaker 1>of office. So what did Reagan have that you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>A bombshell of a question. Now, Nixon paused, he he scowled,

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<v Speaker 1>a famous Nixon scowl. I could see he was annoyed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, got to feel a little uncomfortable. Several people

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<v Speaker 1>in our group gave Greg a dirty look. We were like,

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<v Speaker 1>how could you ask that? And then Nixon replied it

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<v Speaker 1>was one line, very nixony. And Nixon said, ah, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>Ronald Reagan. Well, at least he could say he was stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>And there you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>What an insight. Not so much into Reagan as into Nixon.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon never understood how Reagan survived, but he didn't. More broadly,

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<v Speaker 1>he never understood how Reagan succeeded in transforming the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and he didn't. Nixon always considered himself smarter than Reagan,

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<v Speaker 1>and academically.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking, he was.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus, Nixon concluded that Reagan's secret was his stupidity. People

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<v Speaker 1>expected Reagan to be clueless about Iran contra. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what happened, and that's how he got away with it.

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<v Speaker 1>No one would say Nixon was stupid, and therefore Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't claim ignorance, and that's why he was held fully

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<v Speaker 1>accountable for all the deceptions around Watergates. So here in

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<v Speaker 1>a nutshell, we see several of Nixon's signature qualities, which

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<v Speaker 1>become even more clear when they are contrasted with Reagan's qualities.

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan was fundamentally an optimist, and that optimism characterized the

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<v Speaker 1>Reagan era and also the Reagan generation, me included that

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<v Speaker 1>came of age in that era. Nixon was fundamentally a pessimist,

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<v Speaker 1>as I guessed many of his contemporary millennial and gen

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<v Speaker 1>Z admirers also are. Nixon was also paranoid, and we

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<v Speaker 1>see this from the Watergate scandal itself. Remember, Nixon was

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<v Speaker 1>on the verge of winning forty nine states. It was

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<v Speaker 1>not exactly a close presidential election in nineteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the justification for organizing elaborate spying campaigns on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side than you have to do so elaborate

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<v Speaker 1>covers up and then you have to do elaborate cover ups,

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<v Speaker 1>and you end up throwing away your presidency over the scandal.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon is no longer with us, but as paranoia surely is.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, we live in a paranoid epoch of Nixonian dimensions.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see how the paranoia of our own era

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<v Speaker 1>where it came from. It came from numerous conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 1>coming true. It came from previously trusted institutions, the CDC,

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<v Speaker 1>the nihd FBI, all forfeiting their public trust. It also

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<v Speaker 1>came from bitter disappointments in American society, the outsourcing of jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>the march of technology that also takes away jobs, the

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<v Speaker 1>erosion of the family and the old civic sense of community,

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<v Speaker 1>the collapse of normal dating and courtship, the experience of

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<v Speaker 1>censorship and political targeting, and in general, the brutishness of

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<v Speaker 1>the left. All of this is not only fostered paranoia,

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<v Speaker 1>but also a profound sense of victimization, since paranoia and

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<v Speaker 1>his sense of victimization are both palpable. Even in the

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<v Speaker 1>one incident I recounted, Nixon remained paranoid to the end.

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<v Speaker 1>He never gave up the sense that he was shafted.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's the thing. He was right to be paranoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the saying, even paranoids have enemies. Nixon feared the

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<v Speaker 1>Eastern establishment, even the Eastern establishment in his own party,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was right to fear them. He hated the

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<v Speaker 1>Ivy League people and the mainstream media, and he thought

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<v Speaker 1>they were out to get him, as they were. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the most amazing material in the Nixon libraries tape

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<v Speaker 1>recordings of Nixon talking about Jews and Ivy leaguers. He

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<v Speaker 1>says things like, Henry, there are too many Jews on

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<v Speaker 1>the invitation list, or Henry, I don't want to have

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<v Speaker 1>dinner with anyone who went to the Ivy League. He

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<v Speaker 1>hated those people, and in the end, I suppose they

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<v Speaker 1>got him. So Nixon was justified also in regarding himself

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<v Speaker 1>to be a victim. He was in fact ousted in

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<v Speaker 1>a coup that goes by the name of Watergates. So

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<v Speaker 1>I can understand to appoint young people's enthusiasm for this

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<v Speaker 1>strange fellow who took on an all powerful establishment and

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<v Speaker 1>the paranoid conspiratorial belief that it was secretly arrayed against him.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon's paranoia, his conspiracy mindedness, even his borderline craziness, have

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<v Speaker 1>many counterparts on our social media platforms today, and in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways what they like best about Nixon is that

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<v Speaker 1>he lost. They destroyed his presidency and his reputation, and

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<v Speaker 1>this confirms the notion of an omnipotent, omniscient elite that

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<v Speaker 1>always wins in the end. Many young people today don't

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<v Speaker 1>really see a way out. They don't see a way

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<v Speaker 1>to win. They expect to lose, and they want to

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<v Speaker 1>lose like Nixon, ignominiously, to be sure, but also in

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<v Speaker 1>a way that supports and confirms the utter feelings of hopelessness.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the mantra of the Nixon maxers. See, we told

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<v Speaker 1>you we were doomed, and now we are just like

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<v Speaker 1>we said. I suppose it could be said of Nixon

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<v Speaker 1>that he remained interesting even in defeat. He said things

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<v Speaker 1>like you won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not surprising for the bitterness, but but surprising

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<v Speaker 1>that someone would publicly say it. He was more of

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<v Speaker 1>a thinker than a doer. He read the nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>historians as Reagan didn't. He didn't defeat the Soviet Empire

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<v Speaker 1>as Reagan did, but he could give an analysis of

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<v Speaker 1>Russian history in a manner that Reagan never could. Kissinger

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<v Speaker 1>and his memoirs recounts the culmination of a brilliant negotiation

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<v Speaker 1>in the Middle East. He was astounded by Nixon's grasp

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<v Speaker 1>of events and his negotiating prowess, and Kissinger writes his

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<v Speaker 1>regret was that Hey, even now, he says, Watergate is

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<v Speaker 1>closing in on Nixon. So from Kissinger's point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>a great thinker and strategist of a kind America rarely

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<v Speaker 1>gets was being undone kick. Kissinger saw it almost in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of Greek tragedy. Nixon was ultimately defeated not by

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<v Speaker 1>his foreign adversaries, but by his Hamartia, his own tragic flaw.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon wanted to be a populist, and he used the

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<v Speaker 1>campaign theme of the forgotten man in his nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>two campaign. He was quite right to stand up for

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<v Speaker 1>the ordinary American against the hippies, the druggies, the nudists,

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<v Speaker 1>the angry feminists, and the Black power revolutionaries. Yet while

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon identified with the working class American, he didn't relate

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<v Speaker 1>to him. He remained aloof an insular, a real contrast

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<v Speaker 1>with a genuine populist like Trump. Nixon was a loyal friend,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was also a great hater. He didn't conceal

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<v Speaker 1>his envy of Reagan. All it took was a single

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<v Speaker 1>question to bring it into full display. He was still

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<v Speaker 1>the guy who walked with his two arms moving in

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<v Speaker 1>the same direction, not swinging opposite ways like most people.

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<v Speaker 2>He was still the.

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<v Speaker 1>Nixon was a deeply flawed man, but he had a

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<v Speaker 1>Now, if you look at this Iran war and we've

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<v Speaker 1>got to try to be adults about all this. If

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<v Speaker 1>you get into a war and you have clear objectives,

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<v Speaker 1>the simple truth of it is, if you then turn

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<v Speaker 1>around and say, well, yes, we've lost seven men, or

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<v Speaker 1>Iran fired a missile and it got through to Israel

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<v Speaker 1>and killed two dogs, you're talking about a really powerful country.

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<v Speaker 1>If you had to specify in advance, you would expect

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<v Speaker 1>that there would be enormous casualties in Middle Eastern countries,

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<v Speaker 1>in Israel, that Iran would be hitting American targets on

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<v Speaker 1>a daily basis.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a war.

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<v Speaker 1>So what I'm suggesting here is that what Destiny is

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<v Speaker 1>doing here is setting up an absurd calculus. Iran is endured,

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<v Speaker 1>Well what alternative they have? A guy getting his ass

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<v Speaker 1>kicked in ana fight is enduring, but that doesn't mean

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<v Speaker 1>he's winning. Similarly, Iran is able to lash out here

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<v Speaker 1>and lash out.

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<v Speaker 2>There, which we would fully expect.

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<v Speaker 1>They're grabbing onto their own backyard. No surprise, they're unable

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<v Speaker 1>to maintain even control over their old network. So we've

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<v Speaker 1>disrupted the whole Iranian system.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>Places like Russia and China, they're like, Trump actually is

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<v Speaker 1>willing to use force. He's willing to do it prudently,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is willing to kick ass. And this was

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<v Speaker 1>what makes him different from, for example, an absolute mindless

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden, a giggling, idiotic Kamala Harris. So again, when

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<v Speaker 1>you're measuring Trump, you have to measure him against the

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely impermissible alternative. Can you imagine what America would have

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<v Speaker 1>been like the Democrats one? Can you imagine the world

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be living in, the rottedness of the system would continue,

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<v Speaker 1>the censorship would be accelerated, the surveillance would be going on.

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<v Speaker 1>There would be political targeting to a degree that we

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<v Speaker 1>probably never imagined. Trump would probably be serving a life sentence.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is who these people are, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>they do, and I just Trump has liberated us from that.

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<v Speaker 5>So it basically every single thing of senators is not true,

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<v Speaker 5>not true. But I mean, I guess the metal meats

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<v Speaker 5>the road. I mean here with the rubbers the road.

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<v Speaker 5>I guess what do you think a successful end state

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<v Speaker 5>for Iran looks like? What do you think it's going

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<v Speaker 5>to look like for the United States to leave that

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<v Speaker 5>conflict to emerge feeling like we were victorious, because I

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<v Speaker 5>will tell you that when Obama was in office, supposedly

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<v Speaker 5>inep president who didn't know what he was doing when

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<v Speaker 5>it came to foreign policy, we had a deal on

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<v Speaker 5>the table with inspectors in the country, and we had

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<v Speaker 5>a pathway to some kind of normalization with Iran, where

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<v Speaker 5>there was still intense pressure on that country. When Trump

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<v Speaker 5>came into the first term, he tore up the JCP

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<v Speaker 5>away with nothing to replace it with. He set off

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<v Speaker 5>the Abraham Accords and claimed piece of the Middle East

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<v Speaker 5>without dealing with the Palestinian issue. Biden comes in and

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<v Speaker 5>lo and behold what happens. Every time the Palestinians are ignored,

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<v Speaker 5>they rise up and they do an attack. It happened

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<v Speaker 5>with the first Hintevada, It happened with a second intevada,

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<v Speaker 5>and it happened with October seventh. Go you know, go

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<v Speaker 5>figure big surprise. Trump comes in the next time after

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<v Speaker 5>achieving peace in the Middle East, and then he comes

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<v Speaker 5>in and he does peace in the Middle East again

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<v Speaker 5>by attacking Iran.

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<v Speaker 2>And then he's done.

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<v Speaker 5>Pieces in the Middle East again by getting us in

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<v Speaker 5>a war with Irun. What does the end state here

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<v Speaker 5>look like? Because all I see is Trump making bad decisions,

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<v Speaker 5>the bad decisions playing out and literally the most obvious

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<v Speaker 5>manner possible, and then not knowing how we're going to

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<v Speaker 5>come out of the bad position better than we were before,

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<v Speaker 5>and conservative somehow trying to pretend like it was a

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<v Speaker 5>win every single step of the way. So yes, I'll

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<v Speaker 5>ask what is a good what is a positive resolution?

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<v Speaker 5>Where you would you would look at our exit from

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<v Speaker 5>Iran ago that was a really good idea that we

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<v Speaker 5>attacked that you know, we've this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is our second time debating and I what frustrates mean

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<v Speaker 1>debating you is that you I think you have the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong self conception, that you are somehow presenting fast and

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<v Speaker 1>you will use terms like you will use terms like

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<v Speaker 1>this is positive uh, or this is progress or so

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<v Speaker 1>for example, you start off with an almost devotional premise,

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<v Speaker 1>which is that Obama was trying to stop Iran from

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<v Speaker 1>getting a nuclear weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>My premise is the opposite.

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<v Speaker 1>Obama was trying to help Iran to get a nuclear

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<v Speaker 1>weapon while publicly professing the opposite to his domestic political audience.

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<v Speaker 2>Why couldn't they do that in eight years? Then that

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<v Speaker 2>was Obama's goal.

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<v Speaker 5>He triggered his own side into a massive riot at

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<v Speaker 5>the Capitol on January sixth. So I don't know what

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<v Speaker 5>you mean when you say.

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<v Speaker 1>They look this is like, this is like Vogue magazine

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<v Speaker 1>saying Michelle Obama's the most beautiful woman in America.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, everybody knows it's false.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody knows it's to lie or Dylan mcveahey is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a gorgeous woman.

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<v Speaker 5>This kind is just the same why that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 5>tells us when he says he loves his beautiful wife

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<v Speaker 5>when he which she was at home.

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<v Speaker 2>Taking care of their newborn child.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, we can, like, come on, Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 5>not a.

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<v Speaker 1>One says that Trump hasn't been a playboy in his

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<v Speaker 1>earlier days, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Such a pay her for sex?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we can do a lot of this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is claims and counterclaims. And we will also live in

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<v Speaker 1>a system, unfortunately, where even juries have become untrustworthy and

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<v Speaker 1>theized environment. A case in point is the January sixth defendants.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of those guys went before absolutely one sided juries.

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<v Speaker 2>Eleven out of twelve Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a jury of their peers. Again, should they have

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<v Speaker 1>broken at the capitol. No, but where they over prosecuted,

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<v Speaker 1>over punished. People actually took their lives over this incident,

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<v Speaker 1>committed suicide. The Biden administration did that to them, and

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<v Speaker 1>it did that to them. Really why because many of

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<v Speaker 1>those people were white, male, Christian and conservative. The truth

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<v Speaker 1>a case on this matter, you'd buy, like, okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>look at it, right. There were a lot of, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, suggestive reasons. It's not as if this just

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<v Speaker 1>came out of nowhere. The windows boarded up stopping five

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<v Speaker 1>places stop the count within a few seconds of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Supposedly each state is conducting their own count, and yet

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<v Speaker 1>they all stop the count at the same time.

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<v Speaker 2>And to this day, you don't know and I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>and he doesn't know who gave the order. That's none

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<v Speaker 2>of the well who gave the order.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that all the states stopped counting the same

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<v Speaker 1>They all stopped counting within a few seconds of each other.

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<v Speaker 2>They literally not okay, literally none of this is true.

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<v Speaker 5>But okay, there's a reason why you guys can't point

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<v Speaker 5>to any court documents, any filings, anything that demonstrates the

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<v Speaker 5>truthfulness of anything. It's why the guy the only guys

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<v Speaker 5>that defend this idea are the crazy my pillow dude

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.000
<v Speaker 5>who sells pillows for fourteen dollars in eighty eight cents.

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<v Speaker 2>On his website. Mike Lindell. Yeah, we can watch the video.

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<v Speaker 5>We can watch There's hours of footage of Sidney Powell

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 5>lying to people, lying to these committees that are listening

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<v Speaker 5>to them talk about all the fake votes. We can

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<v Speaker 5>see the State Farm arena footage where she says, we

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<v Speaker 5>don't know where the boxes came from. They who were

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<v Speaker 5>literally counting them, they put them under the table and

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<v Speaker 5>then they brought them back out. The full video footage exists.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a reason why they can't even make standing on

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<v Speaker 5>these cases.

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<v Speaker 3>You are right.

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<v Speaker 2>There were a lot of people that.

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<v Speaker 5>Would have had standing to bring these types of cases,

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<v Speaker 5>but none of the cases had good merits, and the

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<v Speaker 5>judges knew that people like you, who's who had nice

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.080
<v Speaker 5>interactions with Trump, would be doing propaganda form. Even the

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 5>ones that were thrown out on standing, the judges addressed

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:37.560
<v Speaker 5>the merits of those cases. If you'd read a single

0:26:37.600 --> 0:26:39.720
<v Speaker 5>one of those decisions, you would have actually seen that

0:26:40.080 --> 0:26:42.560
<v Speaker 5>they had the ability to make all of this evidence public.

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<v Speaker 5>Sidney Palgulni, where is it? Where is all of the investigation?

0:26:45.600 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 5>Whereas all of the public evidence for all of the

0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 5>Tina Peters people they had digging through these machines in

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<v Speaker 5>the background. Notice that there is not a scintilla a

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<v Speaker 5>positive evidence that there was a single vote that was

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<v Speaker 5>actually changed or rigged or anything that proper happened anywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Why did they lose on every single court case, even

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<v Speaker 5>when there were judges that looking over this that were

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<v Speaker 5>Trump nominated, Trump appointed judges.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so the judges were scared to get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on, because they judge by and large is in

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<v Speaker 1>the judicial lane and they don't want a second guest

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:16.800
<v Speaker 1>an election process. It's too complicated. They've never done it before.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me forget hold on, what do you talk?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me let me give you the big picture here

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<v Speaker 1>that I think will convince reasonable people that something fishy

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 1>happened in a big way. I'm not talking about ten

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:32.520
<v Speaker 1>guys from a nursing home. So Obama got sixty five

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<v Speaker 1>million votes in two thousand and eight, he got between

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<v Speaker 1>sixty five and sixty eight million votes. In two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight and twenty twelve, his two elections, Hillary got

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<v Speaker 1>about the same number of votes, about sixty five million votes.

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<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris, years later, with.

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<v Speaker 1>A demographic shift in the country, got close to seventy

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<v Speaker 1>five million votes. Now Joe Biden in the middle, Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe what's my middle name? Biden gets eighty one million votes.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty one million votes, which means that fifteen million more

0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>votes than Obama mysteriously showed up for Biden and promptly

0:28:17.160 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 1>six million of them at a minimum vanished even after

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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty election. So Biden, the guy who can't

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<v Speaker 1>raise one hundred dollars to build his library because everybody

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<v Speaker 1>basically considers him to be a vegetable and a pawn.

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<v Speaker 1>This Biden is evidently the most popular figure in US history,

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<v Speaker 1>surpassing Obama.

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<v Speaker 2>Have every other Democrat how many to.

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<v Speaker 4>Give our speakers a huge round of applause for a

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<v Speaker 4>spectacular start to the day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing, Thank you guys so much.

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<v Speaker 4>Are Christians morally obligated to support the Jews in Israel?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm excited for this one.

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<v Speaker 4>Pleasejoin me and welcoming Danesh de Suza.

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<v Speaker 2>Andrew Wilson.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking as Christians, so I'm assuming that the premise

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<v Speaker 1>of debate is that we are Christians, were Catholics, were Protestants,

0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>were in the mainstream of the Christian tradition. My own

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:35.760
<v Speaker 1>work in apologetics has taken the C. S. Lewis kind

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:39.479
<v Speaker 1>of mere Christianity approach. I'll be using generally that in

0:29:39.520 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>this debate. By way of background, I come from a

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<v Speaker 1>very old Catholic family in India. It goes back about

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:50.080
<v Speaker 1>four hundred years. My grandfather's brother was the Cardinal of Pakistan.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm deeply rooted in the Catholic tradition, the Catholic

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 1>intellectual tradition. I've studied it, I've written a lot about it,

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 1>and I've debated it against unrually leading atheists, people at

0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Christopher Hitchins and others. Now, Israel is not my topic,

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>and by that I mean, in a career spanning thirty

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:17.360
<v Speaker 1>five years, I haven't written about it. I barely mentioned it.

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm not known as a Zionist. I don't identify with Zionism,

0:30:22.320 --> 0:30:25.440
<v Speaker 1>which was a secular socialist movement of the nineteenth century.

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 1>I have no particular stake in Israel as a country.

0:30:29.360 --> 0:30:34.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm America first, all the way, and so keep those

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<v Speaker 1>things in mind as we have this debate. If you're

0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:39.800
<v Speaker 1>looking for me to sort of channel Ben Shapiro or

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Mark Levin, that's really not going to be happening here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a professional Israel advocate in any sense of

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<v Speaker 1>the term. I discovered Israel really two or three years

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<v Speaker 1>ago when I visited for the first time, and I

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<v Speaker 1>found it interesting in two ways. The first one simply

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<v Speaker 1>that we live at a time when cities have become

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<v Speaker 1>really homogenized these days. You know, there's no point going

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<v Speaker 1>to Zurich and Copenhagen, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>All kind of one thing. Israel is not like that.

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<v Speaker 1>In Israel, you're very conscious that you're in the land

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bible. That is a very important feeling for Christians.

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<v Speaker 1>You get the sense that this is your spiritual homeland.

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<v Speaker 1>And by spiritual homeland, what I mean is that our

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<v Speaker 1>faith is not some kind of abstraction that is delivered

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky. It could have been God could could

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<v Speaker 1>have put the Ten Commandments.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>He could have, you know, put it on the moon.

0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 2>But he didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Our Bible, our history, our Christianity is historical. It's rooted

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<v Speaker 1>in real people and real events and real places. It

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:52.280
<v Speaker 1>took place somewhere in the world, and that somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Happens to be Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>That's worth remembering and worth noting. Also discovered in the

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<v Speaker 1>course of now for visits to Israel the thing that

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<v Speaker 1>really interests me, and that is biblical archaeology. And biblical

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>archaeology has the definitive effect of authenticating and corroborating the

0:32:10.880 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 1>people and events in the Bible. We can go into

0:32:13.680 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit later. I will give you the

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<v Speaker 1>most shocking examples of this, but it is a massive

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<v Speaker 1>refutation of the skepticism and atheism of the nineteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>which basically said that the Bible was written hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>years later and most of it was kind of made up.

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<v Speaker 1>Biblical archaeology shows us that the Bible is talking about

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<v Speaker 1>real people and true events. You can debate the miracles,

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you can debate the theology, but that these things are real,

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<v Speaker 1>these people are real, the events are real has been

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<v Speaker 1>authenticated down to the most excruciating detail. That's very important

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>because it also happens to establish the presence of the

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<v Speaker 1>Jews and their ancestral homeland, and in a way, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>the fundamental question that we're discussing today. When I say

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<v Speaker 1>morally obligated, what I really mean is what's the right

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<v Speaker 1>thing to do? Now, saying what the right thing to

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:09.600
<v Speaker 1>do doesn't solve the problem of should we give money

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel or how much money should we give to Israel?

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Supporting Israel herely here basically means having a certain recognition

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<v Speaker 1>of a kind of spiritual and historical kinship or line

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 1>of continuity established by the way in the Bible. And

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 1>don't think of the Old Testament as Jewish. The New

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Testament is just as Jewish as the Old. Both are

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:37.719
<v Speaker 1>describing Jewish communities, and Christianity came right out of that.

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:40.040
<v Speaker 1>In fact, the first Christians were Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>They were Jews who followed the Messiah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think historically we could say with great accuracy they

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<v Speaker 1>were the very first Judaeo Christians. The apostles were Judaeo Christians.

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<v Speaker 1>And now, to me, the core of this question is

0:34:00.160 --> 0:34:06.280
<v Speaker 1>whose land is it? Thirty seconds thirty seconds, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just getting I was just getting warmed.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my introduction guys. All right, let me just

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:12.439
<v Speaker 2>put it this way.

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<v Speaker 1>There are three ways to get a country. First, you

0:34:17.880 --> 0:34:22.120
<v Speaker 1>were there first, that's the ancestral claim. Number two, you

0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:24.840
<v Speaker 1>got the country by some kind of negotiation or treaty.

0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Or number three, you got the lined because you captured it.

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Every single country on the map in the world now

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 1>has gotten its claim based on one of these three ways.

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<v Speaker 1>The argument I'm going to make is that Israel succeeds

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<v Speaker 1>on all three ways.

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 2>It checks all the boxes. Even America doesn't.

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 1>The American Indians were here first, we might have conquered them,

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.799
<v Speaker 1>taken the land from them, So we got it by conquest.

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>They got it by original inhabitancy. And there's a little

0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>bit of an argument over here, but I'm going to

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.799
<v Speaker 1>argue that the Jews were there, it's their land. Number Two,

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>they got it by treaty, was given to them by

0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:05.600
<v Speaker 1>the United Nations. They accepted it, the Palestinians rejected it.

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.880
<v Speaker 1>And three they got it by not just by conquest.

0:35:09.360 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>They fought three defensive wars against massive coalitions of Islamic

0:35:14.920 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>forces that are into essentially global colonization. The Muslims are

0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>the real colonizers, and so whichever box you choose, Israel succeeds,

0:35:27.280 --> 0:35:30.799
<v Speaker 1>and therefore supporting Israel isn't just sort of the biblical

0:35:30.840 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 1>thing to do, it's the right thing to do.

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<v Speaker 6>Big round of applause for to Nash, real quick, great opening,

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<v Speaker 6>but that's not going to save him. I want for

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<v Speaker 6>everybody to remember that the topic of this debate is

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<v Speaker 6>if Christians have a moral obligation to support Jews in Israel.

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<v Speaker 6>He didn't give us one. It is obvious to me that,

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<v Speaker 6>since the answer is clearly no uh oh, that Danesh

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<v Speaker 6>likely gave no reason, which means I predicted you wouldn't

0:36:04.239 --> 0:36:07.319
<v Speaker 6>give us one. I will begin by expressing to you

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 6>the audience that when discussing normative claims are in this

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.839
<v Speaker 6>place moral claims, you need to demonstrate why the moral

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.919
<v Speaker 6>obligation is there. Danesh's view comes down to a whole

0:36:15.960 --> 0:36:19.480
<v Speaker 6>bunch of really stupid propositions that actually make no sense.

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 6>Note I'm not calling Danesh stupid, He's far from it.

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<v Speaker 6>But even intelligent people can believe stupid propositions and often

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 6>do logical proposition one.

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<v Speaker 3>Christians need to support.

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<v Speaker 6>A Jewish state of Israel because their ethics and Christian

0:36:32.520 --> 0:36:33.360
<v Speaker 6>ethics overlap.

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<v Speaker 3>This is something which Danesh has said multiple times.

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<v Speaker 6>The reason this is a stupid proposition is because the

0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 6>modern state of Israel is a secular state. This date

0:36:41.120 --> 0:36:43.920
<v Speaker 6>supports abortion and most of the public supports it. They

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 6>have pregnancy termination boards which grant ninety nine percent of

0:36:47.239 --> 0:36:50.880
<v Speaker 6>applications abortions up to twenty four weeks and beyond. They

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 6>support gay marriage, and while not marrying gays themselves as

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 6>there is no civil marriage authority, they recognize all out

0:36:57.280 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 6>of country gay marriages as valid and all gay cohabitation

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 6>has identical social and financial rights.

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<v Speaker 3>Let that sync in.

0:37:05.840 --> 0:37:08.760
<v Speaker 6>They are extremely pro transgender in their public healthcare system

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 6>provides generously for trans surgery and voice mod training. According

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 6>sorry about that one second here. According to their own polling,

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<v Speaker 6>the Israeli Institute for Gender and LGBTQ Studies has supported

0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 6>seventy five percent or more for homosexual acceptance, advocacy and

0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.719
<v Speaker 6>gender care, which includes ninety percent from secular Jews and

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:37.759
<v Speaker 6>even over fifty percent from the religious Orthodox Jews. Now

0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 6>I can keep going, women in the military, IVF programs,

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:45.919
<v Speaker 6>national health care, prostitution, pornography. These are libtards, essentially who

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:49.239
<v Speaker 6>live in Israel that Denesh wants us to support a

0:37:49.320 --> 0:37:52.400
<v Speaker 6>whole nation of them. Christian ethics here in the USA

0:37:52.440 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 6>determines that we resist these things in our own nations.

0:37:55.400 --> 0:37:58.520
<v Speaker 6>Why would we support other nations which codify these things as.

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<v Speaker 3>Law anymore than we would sharia law.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want millions upon millions or billions of my

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:08.000
<v Speaker 6>dollars to be used to support a system which allows

0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 6>for these forms of degeneracy when we were busy combating

0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:12.520
<v Speaker 6>them in our own backyard.

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 3>Why would Christians support that?

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<v Speaker 1>Now?

0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 6>Dnesh can argue the USA is plagued with similar problems,

0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 6>and that's true, and Christians here oppose our own governmental

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:25.200
<v Speaker 6>national apparatus and strongly attempt to legislate against these forms

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:29.320
<v Speaker 6>of policy. We do the opposite of funding it, except

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 6>through force of tax proposition to Densh believes that the

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.879
<v Speaker 6>Christians have a stake in Israel because it's the holiest

0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:40.000
<v Speaker 6>of holies and the holiest Christian sites are there. I

0:38:40.040 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 6>grant this is true, but that doesn't give us much

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:45.239
<v Speaker 6>reason to keep the population they're Jewish. If Christians in

0:38:45.280 --> 0:38:47.480
<v Speaker 6>the West truly want access to the holy sites, then

0:38:47.480 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 6>why not just demand Israel, who is our protectorate take

0:38:50.480 --> 0:38:52.640
<v Speaker 6>a certain amount of Christians per year. I think one

0:38:52.719 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 6>hundred thousand or more should do the trick. The USA

0:38:56.239 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 6>has no cut cap on Jews immigrating here. Why not

0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:01.560
<v Speaker 6>just demand they allow Christian immigration with no cap there,

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:03.880
<v Speaker 6>or we cut off all military funding and support and

0:39:03.920 --> 0:39:08.400
<v Speaker 6>that's that. Then we get the Holy sites. He argues

0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:11.879
<v Speaker 6>that Israeli's guard these things better than Muslims. I can

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.320
<v Speaker 6>see that's true, But I'm certain millions of Christian immigrants

0:39:14.360 --> 0:39:17.680
<v Speaker 6>could protect them just fine. Not sure why there needs

0:39:17.719 --> 0:39:19.719
<v Speaker 6>to be a Jewish state to do this, or why

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:21.919
<v Speaker 6>we have a moral obligation to keep it Jewish at all.

0:39:22.880 --> 0:39:25.919
<v Speaker 6>Proposition three danesh Offen sites the biblical principle of those

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.439
<v Speaker 6>who bless Israel will be blessed. That's Genesis twelve three.

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.920
<v Speaker 6>Does a modern state of Israel seem very blessed to you?

0:39:33.200 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 6>If He took every Jew in Israel and put them

0:39:35.160 --> 0:39:37.160
<v Speaker 6>in Germany in the year twenty twenty six, they would

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 6>be safer than they are in Israel. How's that for irony?

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:49.960
<v Speaker 6>Is God blessing their abortions, their homosexuality and prostitution advocacy,

0:39:50.000 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 6>the rejection of the Messiah doesn't seem like it to me.

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.040
<v Speaker 6>If that's what a god blessed nation looks like, then

0:39:55.080 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 6>I would be very wary of the blessings of that God,

0:39:57.400 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 6>because he sure seems like he isn't very fond of

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:00.440
<v Speaker 6>them at moment.

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:02.000
<v Speaker 3>Proposition four.

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:04.919
<v Speaker 6>Do Christians have an obligation to support religious Jews naming

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 6>a Messiah considering that that Messiah figure will certainly be

0:40:08.719 --> 0:40:13.400
<v Speaker 6>false and anti christ This is obviously no. Don't know

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 6>about Dunesha over here, but the proposition of naming false

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:18.600
<v Speaker 6>Messiah and Christians supporting that by funding the religious, more

0:40:18.640 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 6>conservative section of Jewish population claiming its moral seems insane

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:22.239
<v Speaker 6>to me.

0:40:23.800 --> 0:40:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Proposition five.

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 6>Are secular Jews blessed or non religious Jews blessed by

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:33.040
<v Speaker 6>the same genesis packaged dness or passage? In other words,

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 6>if I bless atheist Jews and all their liberal policies,

0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 6>while I in turn be blessed with magic Jew blood,

0:40:38.800 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 6>do I need to fight and die on their behalf

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 6>of this blessing? Is it just a mind state like

0:40:43.440 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 6>I just kind of cheer them on? Does it require

0:40:46.520 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 6>action on my part? What are my actual obligations here

0:40:49.440 --> 0:40:52.839
<v Speaker 6>as a Christian? What's the normative framework to receive said

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 6>blessing from my support of atheist Jews, I say the opposite.

0:40:57.360 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 6>As a Christian's my duty to resist and oppose the

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:02.919
<v Speaker 6>radical as atheist and secutor Jewish agenda of Israel until

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 6>he conformed to my ethical model. I would like and

0:41:06.120 --> 0:41:08.440
<v Speaker 6>would do in all cases. I would demand this if

0:41:08.480 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 6>every nation pull all financial and military support and deal

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:15.399
<v Speaker 6>with them only as a limited capacity as they could

0:41:15.400 --> 0:41:17.880
<v Speaker 6>be dealt with. I am not in the business of

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:22.839
<v Speaker 6>funding abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, female empowerment. Christians must resist these

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.960
<v Speaker 6>propositions and demand if Israel wants our aid, they need

0:41:26.000 --> 0:41:28.319
<v Speaker 6>to conform to the standards and normative ethics of the

0:41:28.480 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 6>very Christians they endlessly demand help from.

0:41:32.200 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 3>Let us play pretend.

0:41:33.239 --> 0:41:37.720
<v Speaker 6>Okay, tomorrow all of these Islamic nations right around Israel

0:41:37.920 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 6>unite and they crush it, and they wipe Israel out

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 6>in a single day. Let's just say, in this hypothetical, okay,

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 6>what happens then to the United States? What happens to

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 6>the United States?

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:50.319
<v Speaker 1>What happens to the United States now is that you

0:41:50.440 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 1>will have created what Islam is long dreamed of, which

0:41:55.640 --> 0:41:59.800
<v Speaker 1>is a restoration of that we haven't had in a slade.

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<v Speaker 6>I give a shit about the Islamic Caliphate, though, why

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:05.840
<v Speaker 6>do I care the the Islamic Caliphate.

0:42:07.360 --> 0:42:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Uh, the Islamic Caliphate is all over Texas. It is

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:11.000
<v Speaker 1>not only taken.

0:42:11.120 --> 0:42:13.880
<v Speaker 6>That's though. We can fix immigration, whether or not you

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 6>have a Jewish state or not.

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Hold on, hold on, many of these Muslims have been

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.879
<v Speaker 1>here for decades. This project has been going on. Uh,

0:42:22.400 --> 0:42:24.520
<v Speaker 1>Muslims came to Detroit.

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 2>And then I have to do any Israel.

0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:29.440
<v Speaker 1>The anti semitism of Henry Ford where he said I

0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:32.480
<v Speaker 1>want to bring a bunch of Muslims over here on topic.

0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.400
<v Speaker 3>Israel's gone now in this hypothetical, in a single day.

0:42:35.440 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 3>They just steamroll it.

0:42:36.680 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 6>They take all the land, right, Okay, they are reforming

0:42:39.880 --> 0:42:40.880
<v Speaker 6>a caliphate.

0:42:40.520 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 3>Let's even say.

0:42:41.239 --> 0:42:42.240
<v Speaker 2>And you're like, who cares?

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, when I go down into my toolbox to grab

0:42:44.840 --> 0:42:46.560
<v Speaker 6>the ranch to wrench on my fucking car, I care

0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:46.880
<v Speaker 6>about this?

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:47.200
<v Speaker 3>Why?

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:49.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay? Why why would you care? The same thing happened

0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 1>to Alaska.

0:42:50.719 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 3>Because those are my countrymen.

0:42:52.280 --> 0:42:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh, those are your countrymen.

0:42:53.680 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 1>But you still can go to your toolbox and you

0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.359
<v Speaker 1>can work in your garage and if Alaska is off

0:42:58.360 --> 0:42:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the mat.

0:42:58.760 --> 0:43:01.400
<v Speaker 6>That would have drafts matter, that would have drastic direct

0:43:01.960 --> 0:43:05.000
<v Speaker 6>repercussions upon me. If it was the case that one

0:43:05.000 --> 0:43:07.120
<v Speaker 6>of the states of the country that I live in

0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:11.759
<v Speaker 6>was steamrolled by Islam. On the other hand, I think

0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:16.360
<v Speaker 6>that there would be far less drastic and direct consequences.

0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:20.840
<v Speaker 6>Weren't the case that, let's just say, Israel steamrolled by Islam.

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.520
<v Speaker 6>What I want to know, specifically, if it was, what

0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:26.760
<v Speaker 6>the hell does the mechanic in the garage down the street,

0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 6>what does that do to him?

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Specifically?

0:43:29.160 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 1>What well in your view of the world, if it

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:38.880
<v Speaker 1>is outside the geographic border of America, that boy has

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 1>to do with it.

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:43.440
<v Speaker 6>I want you to answer the question I ask instead

0:43:43.440 --> 0:43:44.279
<v Speaker 6>of the office games.

0:43:44.400 --> 0:43:45.839
<v Speaker 2>The world is a much more.

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:49.520
<v Speaker 3>The world's a dangerous place, a dangerous neighborhood.

0:43:49.080 --> 0:43:51.120
<v Speaker 2>In the world. I know it doesn't matter.

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:51.880
<v Speaker 3>But that's all rhetoric.

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.400
<v Speaker 6>Answer the question I asked Forget the rhetoric, give me

0:43:54.440 --> 0:43:58.919
<v Speaker 6>the logic. Let's pretend, seriously, pretend game out the hypothetical

0:43:58.960 --> 0:44:03.400
<v Speaker 6>with me. Israel's destroying a single day by its Islamic neighbors. Okay,

0:44:03.440 --> 0:44:06.480
<v Speaker 6>that's what happens. It's gone let's just say, how the

0:44:06.520 --> 0:44:09.160
<v Speaker 6>hell does that negatively affect the United States? What is

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:11.520
<v Speaker 6>it going to do to the average citizen here if

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 6>that happens, even if Muslims are getting super upany and

0:44:14.680 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 6>want their caliphate, what.

0:44:16.880 --> 0:44:17.239
<v Speaker 1>Does it do?

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Let's play it out.

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:25.439
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So number one, the let's assume that a juggernaut

0:44:25.520 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>launched out of let's say Iran and Qatar takes Israel.

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:33.080
<v Speaker 2>And not only that, but now all the other.

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Gulf kingdoms are intimidated, and so they submit to a

0:44:37.440 --> 0:44:41.200
<v Speaker 1>single unified force. Let's just call it the United States

0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:43.920
<v Speaker 1>of Islam. Okay, And that's the whole Middle East.

0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:49.000
<v Speaker 1>It is fantastically rich, it has nuclear weapons, and it

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:55.040
<v Speaker 1>has a suicidal and genocidal ideology that says, we love death,

0:44:55.400 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 1>we don't like life. These guys right are now going

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:04.319
<v Speaker 1>to start bankrolling the Islamic project in America to a

0:45:04.360 --> 0:45:06.960
<v Speaker 1>degree that you can hardly imagine. So we are now

0:45:07.000 --> 0:45:09.480
<v Speaker 1>talking about the fact, and let's let's just game it out.

0:45:09.520 --> 0:45:10.960
<v Speaker 1>You want to game it out, let's game it out.

0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:45:11.640 --> 0:45:16.680
<v Speaker 1>Every politician in Texas, by and large, if you if

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.200
<v Speaker 1>you want to get their attention, just write them a

0:45:19.280 --> 0:45:21.400
<v Speaker 1>check for ten thousand dollars and they will call you

0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:24.359
<v Speaker 1>within a week, within a week to hear you out.

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:25.319
<v Speaker 2>And what's on your mind?

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:30.240
<v Speaker 1>Now, imagine an Islamic regime, two billion people in the world,

0:45:30.680 --> 0:45:36.000
<v Speaker 1>with almost infinite resources, offering every US congressman one hundred

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:37.200
<v Speaker 1>million dollars in.

0:45:37.160 --> 0:45:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Their pack if they vote on the side of Islam.

0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.839
<v Speaker 1>What percentage of Democrats do you think would say no,

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 1>I would submit, it's about one or two percent. What

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.320
<v Speaker 1>percentage of Republicans would say no, I submit, it's about

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:49.880
<v Speaker 1>ten percent.

0:45:50.400 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Isson in law included.

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but what we're basically talking about is a buyout

0:45:56.200 --> 0:45:58.359
<v Speaker 1>of the United States of America inc.

0:45:59.120 --> 0:46:00.360
<v Speaker 2>This is on the table.

0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:04.040
<v Speaker 1>The Muslims say they're gonna do it, they are doing it.

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:09.080
<v Speaker 2>Would stands you started out.

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:13.560
<v Speaker 7>All that stands in the way of of all of

0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:17.560
<v Speaker 7>the Muslim world uniting, even though there's nukes there now,

0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:20.880
<v Speaker 7>even though they have a shared value to destroy Israel.

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.319
<v Speaker 6>Now is ten million Jews that are sitting. That's the

0:46:23.360 --> 0:46:25.000
<v Speaker 6>stupidest thing that I ever heard.

0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Here's actually well.

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 3>At all, game it.

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 6>Out a different way. They destroy Israel in a single day.

0:46:34.560 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 6>Isn't it equally possible that they open up relations with

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:39.359
<v Speaker 6>the United States and the rest of the West because

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:42.279
<v Speaker 6>they want to enter into massive trade agreements, because it

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 6>is the case that they want their own people groups

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:46.719
<v Speaker 6>to thrive, because it is the case that they are

0:46:46.800 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 6>geographically landlocked away from Europe for the most part, and

0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 6>definitely the United States.

0:46:51.800 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh, isn't it the case that we could then get

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:54.120
<v Speaker 3>oil for cheaper.

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.400
<v Speaker 6>Isn't it then the case that there's all sorts of

0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.080
<v Speaker 6>trade agreements we could have that we no longer have

0:46:59.120 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 6>to sanction them on because we don't have to have

0:47:01.480 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 6>this protectorate there. That's equally logically possible. The problem that

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 6>you have here, I'm not saying that this should happen.

0:47:08.200 --> 0:47:12.160
<v Speaker 6>I'm pointing out in analogy that you are making the

0:47:12.239 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 6>determinative kind of quality here that ten million Jews are

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:19.280
<v Speaker 6>stopping this nightmare scenario, and it's absurd.

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:21.919
<v Speaker 3>That's not what's actually going on. What's actually going on.

0:47:21.920 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 6>Is the United States military is what's stopping that nightmare scenario,

0:47:26.840 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 6>not ten million Jews in the United States. And if

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:32.440
<v Speaker 6>we had mass migration of Christians to that region for

0:47:32.600 --> 0:47:34.759
<v Speaker 6>their own holy land, for them to have their own

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 6>holy relics, for them to have the Holy Land back

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:40.880
<v Speaker 6>to them, that region would be infinitely safer than it

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:42.239
<v Speaker 6>is right this second.

0:47:42.640 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 1>So I think here we've reached the point where the

0:47:47.880 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 1>core naivete of your position, which is that the Muslims

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:56.040
<v Speaker 1>are just like the rest of us, comes to the forefront.

0:47:57.239 --> 0:48:01.160
<v Speaker 1>When the Barbary pirates were menacing American ships and Jeffersons

0:48:01.280 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 1>and ambassadors, Jefferson's question to the ambassadors was, go talk

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to the ambassador in Tripoli and ask them what is

0:48:09.600 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>their beef with America. They've been fighting with Europe for

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:15.799
<v Speaker 1>a long time. We haven't done anything to them. Why

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 1>are they doing this to us? And the ambassador abdal

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Rahman replied, he goes, it has nothing to do with you.

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:25.880
<v Speaker 1>We are doing this because it asks us to do it.

0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:29.359
<v Speaker 1>In the Quran, you are an infidel and our job

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 1>is to fight, defeat and destroy the infidels. This is

0:48:32.840 --> 0:48:37.600
<v Speaker 1>in the Quran. It is the actual constitution of the

0:48:37.640 --> 0:48:41.000
<v Speaker 1>world of Islam. So when you say these are guys

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:44.320
<v Speaker 1>who want coffee shops and tall buildings and Trump Tower

0:48:44.480 --> 0:48:48.720
<v Speaker 1>and high tech. Yes, but I would say, and here's

0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:51.680
<v Speaker 1>where you would say that the Muslims who want those

0:48:51.760 --> 0:48:55.840
<v Speaker 1>things are actually the Muslims least attentive to the Quran.

0:48:56.360 --> 0:49:00.560
<v Speaker 1>These are the Muslims who are actually less Islamic, mulim,

0:49:00.719 --> 0:49:04.120
<v Speaker 1>less in bread. The true Muslims see all of America

0:49:04.320 --> 0:49:07.880
<v Speaker 1>as the house of war. So the idea that you suggest,

0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:10.960
<v Speaker 1>which is the ge they're going to be we're landlocked,

0:49:11.000 --> 0:49:13.880
<v Speaker 1>we need to make some trade deals is a complete

0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:16.320
<v Speaker 1>misunderstanding of the nature of Islam.

0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:20.040
<v Speaker 2>And this is part of the reason I just want

0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 2>necessary acts.

0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:22.799
<v Speaker 6>I want to make sure the naivete is on my

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:25.760
<v Speaker 6>part that you believe the only thing stopping this future

0:49:25.880 --> 0:49:27.560
<v Speaker 6>is ten million Jews who are in that region.

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:29.399
<v Speaker 3>No, I just want to make sure that that is.

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:31.320
<v Speaker 2>The natural position. I'm not saying.

0:49:31.560 --> 0:49:34.840
<v Speaker 1>Look, you asked, you gave me a hypothetical, and you said,

0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:39.719
<v Speaker 1>if Israel is obliterated. The scenario I'm describing doesn't require

0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:43.759
<v Speaker 1>the obliteration of Israel. It simply requires the complete mobilization

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<v Speaker 1>of those countries. I think what Trump is doing is

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<v Speaker 1>he's playing a game in which he's trying to set

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<v Speaker 1>one Muslim off against another.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, listen, let me see.

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<v Speaker 3>This, that's actually perfect.

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<v Speaker 6>So that if it is the case, Denesh, that this

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<v Speaker 6>does not require the obliteration of Israel for Muslims to

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<v Speaker 6>do this right this second. If they do begin acting

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<v Speaker 6>this way, and I agree with you that they likely will,

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<v Speaker 6>then I could see how Christians would have an obligation

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<v Speaker 6>to intervene, especially in our own interests, because now they're

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<v Speaker 6>coming here to kill us.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, we would need to do something about that.

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<v Speaker 6>But you see how you carefully took Israel out of

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:23.760
<v Speaker 6>that equation and ten million juser out of that equation.

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<v Speaker 6>What's the obligation morally that we have to go help

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<v Speaker 6>them right this second when you just made the claim

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<v Speaker 6>that without them there or with them there, this can

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<v Speaker 6>still happen even without their obliteration.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's extend out the same analogy to see why

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm saying makes total sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's envision a.

0:50:46.000 --> 0:50:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Scenario where it's not Israel that is overrun, but Australia, Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>Great Britain, France and Germany are overrun by the Muslims.

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<v Speaker 3>With their immigration policy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, with their immigration policy, but not just immigration

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<v Speaker 1>po massively supported by terrorist infiltration money coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>Qatar and other is out of.

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<v Speaker 6>The terrorist infiltrate without the mass migration, Dinash.

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<v Speaker 2>No, many of them already in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of mass migration, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Of original mass migration.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, what we've done, Okay, that's a suicidal empathy.

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<v Speaker 6>But that has nothing at all to do if if

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<v Speaker 6>we have good border policy, and we have good immigration

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<v Speaker 6>policy locking Islam out of the United States and Western world,

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<v Speaker 6>which I would love to see, right, this problem goes away,

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<v Speaker 6>regardless of regardless of US helping Israel or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one, many of them already here. Number two. The

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<v Speaker 1>hold on the Muslim Brotherhood has made it really clear

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<v Speaker 1>in its memoranda that we don't actually want to focus

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<v Speaker 1>on bin Loaden types with long.

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<v Speaker 2>Beards and white robes.

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<v Speaker 3>On the womb.

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<v Speaker 1>We want American born kids, wo, dude, and American warn

0:52:00.480 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 1>converts to take the vanguard. We mean Islamic lawyers born

0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:10.880
<v Speaker 1>in America. So unless you have some plan for getting

0:52:10.880 --> 0:52:13.880
<v Speaker 1>out thirty million Muslims who are legal and US citizens,

0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:33.759
<v Speaker 1>by the way, you're talking nonsense, guys. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>announce I have a new book coming out in the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>and also support the twin foundations of Western civilization, which

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<v Speaker 1>are Athens and Jerusalem.

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<v Speaker 2>Stones.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be the first to get it when it's out. Hey,

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm now on substack. It's kind of full circle for me.

0:53:25.600 --> 0:53:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I started out as a journalist writing articles for National Review,

0:53:28.880 --> 0:53:32.880
<v Speaker 1>the American Spectator, the Washington Post, lots of places. After

0:53:32.960 --> 0:53:35.920
<v Speaker 1>my stint in the Reagan Whitehouse, I pivoted to writing books.

0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 2>And that was way back in nineteen ninety one.

0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 1>So I've been mainly known as an author and of

0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:44.320
<v Speaker 1>course later as a filmmaker. But my first job journalist,

0:53:44.440 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 1>and now I'm getting back to that. On substack, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>get original articles on commentary, groundbreaking investigations, exclusive access to

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<v Speaker 2>And guess what, it's free. So check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to Denesh DESUSA dot substack dot com. Jonathan Rose

0:54:07.200 --> 0:54:11.400
<v Speaker 1>was born in London moved to the United States in

0:54:11.520 --> 0:54:15.239
<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety seven. Has had a long career working for

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 1>companies like Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley Prudential Securities. He's

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:25.400
<v Speaker 1>currently the co founder and CEO of block Trust IRA

0:54:25.560 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 1>also known as block Trust. This is a company that

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 1>uses the latest cutting edge AI to drive investment strategies

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<v Speaker 1>for accounts that are in iras or in tax protected iras.

0:54:40.520 --> 0:54:42.520
<v Speaker 1>And Jonathan, We're going to talk a little bit about

0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:45.480
<v Speaker 1>about crypto and bitcoin, but I want to begin at

0:54:45.480 --> 0:54:49.719
<v Speaker 1>the sort of bitcoin for dummies level by asking you

0:54:50.440 --> 0:54:52.480
<v Speaker 1>if someone were to say, I, you know, I hear

0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:56.719
<v Speaker 1>about cryptocurrency and I sometimes hear that bitcoin is is

0:54:56.760 --> 0:55:02.760
<v Speaker 1>an asset? What is bitcoin? And crypto? Are these assets?

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<v Speaker 1>Are these currencies? How would you describe the category that

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<v Speaker 1>we are dealing with here?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's a great, great question, you know when you

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:16.759
<v Speaker 8>took me down memory lane there telling the audience, you

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.759
<v Speaker 8>know with London Metal exchangeable can standing bill into kind

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:22.799
<v Speaker 8>of brings back great memories to me and being in

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.160
<v Speaker 8>the financial realm. How I kind of answer this question

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:28.560
<v Speaker 8>is watching the evolution of everything. I used to work

0:55:28.600 --> 0:55:32.360
<v Speaker 8>on a trading stock market floor wearing a jacket, people screaming,

0:55:32.440 --> 0:55:35.279
<v Speaker 8>tickets flying everywhere, and then really the birth of the

0:55:35.320 --> 0:55:40.040
<v Speaker 8>Internet and communications being sped up and maybe not running

0:55:40.040 --> 0:55:44.000
<v Speaker 8>across the trading pit floor and communicating online with treaders,

0:55:44.400 --> 0:55:46.840
<v Speaker 8>and as things became quicker and quicker. This was the

0:55:46.920 --> 0:55:51.160
<v Speaker 8>advancement of technology, and technology was able to make better

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<v Speaker 8>decisions quicker, which ultimately led to these companies I worked

0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 8>for to make more money for the bottom line. You know,

0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:01.239
<v Speaker 8>when I was first introduced to crypto currency, which is

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<v Speaker 8>really a peer to peer system to change information much faster.

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<v Speaker 8>As intriguing as it was, I think there was kind

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<v Speaker 8>of a pushback on technology back then. And when people

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:14.480
<v Speaker 8>were telling me that cryptocurrency assets like bitcoin are going

0:56:14.520 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 8>to become the future of money and the future of

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<v Speaker 8>holding an asset class, which I guess you could call

0:56:21.239 --> 0:56:24.440
<v Speaker 8>it an asset and look at it as real money,

0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:26.920
<v Speaker 8>I always wanted guilty hands up. I was one of

0:56:26.920 --> 0:56:30.480
<v Speaker 8>those people, Nah, you absolutely crazy digital money that you

0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 8>can't see, you can't touch, and this is going to

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:36.360
<v Speaker 8>be the future and replace different asset classes. So I

0:56:37.280 --> 0:56:39.480
<v Speaker 8>Dinesh was one of those naysayers. I was one of

0:56:39.480 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 8>those naysayers that this is a fad, this isn't going

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:45.600
<v Speaker 8>to last. And lo and behold, you know, Hindsight's twenty twenty.

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:48.880
<v Speaker 8>I began to listen to a lot of my peers,

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:51.800
<v Speaker 8>you know a lot of very wealthy billionaires and people

0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 8>that were running billion dollar books and were telling me

0:56:55.000 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 8>and educating me on why assets like bitcoin is the

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.839
<v Speaker 8>future of money, and it is an asset class, and

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:04.279
<v Speaker 8>it is a store value, and it is real money,

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<v Speaker 8>especially with the limited supply, the twenty one million tokens

0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:11.200
<v Speaker 8>that can ever be minted. So in twenty and fourteen,

0:57:11.960 --> 0:57:15.880
<v Speaker 8>I was reintroduced twenty fifteen, reintroduced to bitcoin again. I

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<v Speaker 8>think it was a round about maybe five thousand dollars

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:21.600
<v Speaker 8>a token back then. I bought some, I sold some. Again.

0:57:22.200 --> 0:57:25.520
<v Speaker 8>I was looking at it and thinking, is it going

0:57:25.560 --> 0:57:27.960
<v Speaker 8>to have this staying power that everyone keeps telling me

0:57:27.960 --> 0:57:29.960
<v Speaker 8>it's going to have. I was still not one hundred

0:57:30.000 --> 0:57:33.880
<v Speaker 8>percent sold. But then when I started watching the institutions

0:57:34.200 --> 0:57:37.080
<v Speaker 8>begin to buy, because remember there's a big difference between

0:57:37.120 --> 0:57:39.880
<v Speaker 8>people like you and I on the retail level waking

0:57:39.960 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 8>up in the morning drinking their coffee, you know, reading

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 8>their paper, versus big institutions with billions of dollars in

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 8>slush fund money, siphoning that money off and start secretly

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 8>buying it. When I started seeing that, that's when I

0:57:53.480 --> 0:57:57.320
<v Speaker 8>started really paying attention because I followed the institutional money.

0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:00.680
<v Speaker 8>And then when I saw that the big, biggestitutions were

0:58:00.680 --> 0:58:04.120
<v Speaker 8>buying back in and then President Trump was making his

0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:07.360
<v Speaker 8>pitch per se on his campaign trial to realize that, Hey,

0:58:07.400 --> 0:58:10.240
<v Speaker 8>I also believe in crypto. I believe in bitcoin. It's

0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:12.320
<v Speaker 8>going to be the future of money, and we want

0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:16.480
<v Speaker 8>to make America the US crypto capital of the world.

0:58:16.920 --> 0:58:20.080
<v Speaker 8>So I think the Trump family believe it as an

0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 8>asset class as money. And with anything that's new, there's

0:58:23.840 --> 0:58:26.280
<v Speaker 8>always going to be a little bit of skepticism. But

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:29.320
<v Speaker 8>that's where I say, you know, people like you, you're

0:58:29.480 --> 0:58:33.440
<v Speaker 8>champion for information, for knowledge and laying it out in

0:58:33.600 --> 0:58:36.480
<v Speaker 8>very simple terms, and I'm a big proponent for that

0:58:36.520 --> 0:58:38.920
<v Speaker 8>for people to kind of pick up these books, speak

0:58:38.960 --> 0:58:42.760
<v Speaker 8>to people and get an education on why every day

0:58:42.800 --> 0:58:45.480
<v Speaker 8>when you're up hopefully drinking your coffee, reading the news,

0:58:45.680 --> 0:58:51.000
<v Speaker 8>you're hearing bitcoin, bitcoin institutions buying clarity acts being passed.

0:58:51.040 --> 0:58:55.000
<v Speaker 8>You know, President Trump mining bitcoin, you know bitcoin being

0:58:55.000 --> 0:58:57.560
<v Speaker 8>added to the US Treasury. You know, why do we

0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:00.920
<v Speaker 8>keep hearing about this word bitcoin every single And it's

0:59:00.920 --> 0:59:04.600
<v Speaker 8>simply because it's a new asset class that's emerged that

0:59:04.760 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 8>will eventually maybe not replace money, but it will be

0:59:08.360 --> 0:59:12.320
<v Speaker 8>a store of value where funds get siphoned to. Because

0:59:12.360 --> 0:59:14.800
<v Speaker 8>as we look at the US dollar thirty nine trillion

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:18.520
<v Speaker 8>dollars in debt and drowning, the monetary supply is under

0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:22.520
<v Speaker 8>extreme pressure. Once those cracks deepen and widen, we're going

0:59:22.560 --> 0:59:26.680
<v Speaker 8>to see more and more money shift into the cryptocurrency landscape,

0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:30.800
<v Speaker 8>particularly assets like bitcoin, which is considered an asset class

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:33.560
<v Speaker 8>in real money. And this is the time we're in

0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:36.240
<v Speaker 8>this golden age, so to speak of why people need

0:59:36.280 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 8>to get a strong understanding and education and find out

0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:42.960
<v Speaker 8>why they want to add bitcoin to their portfolio right now.

0:59:43.000 --> 0:59:45.800
<v Speaker 8>So kind of a long winded answer, but it's been

0:59:45.840 --> 0:59:48.520
<v Speaker 8>an interesting journey for me for the past, you know,

0:59:48.640 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 8>twenty years after leaving Wall Street and seeing how bitcoin

0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:56.000
<v Speaker 8>adoption has come about, and seeing what the future of

0:59:56.120 --> 0:59:58.760
<v Speaker 8>money looks like. And I think people need to not

0:59:58.800 --> 1:00:00.840
<v Speaker 8>be like an ostrich and very the head and the said,

1:00:01.200 --> 1:00:06.080
<v Speaker 8>but really pay attention and start understanding this monetary reset

1:00:06.120 --> 1:00:08.880
<v Speaker 8>that's going to be upon us shortly, and why it's

1:00:08.920 --> 1:00:13.560
<v Speaker 8>important to shift some assets into an asset like bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know that in previous years some of

1:00:17.720 --> 1:00:22.280
<v Speaker 1>these big investment houses have been skeptical of bitcoin and crypto,

1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:25.000
<v Speaker 1>and quite honestly, I think the main reason for it

1:00:25.040 --> 1:00:27.880
<v Speaker 1>is that they, you know, in a way, they saw

1:00:27.960 --> 1:00:30.560
<v Speaker 1>that they couldn't make as much money off of this

1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:33.840
<v Speaker 1>asset class as they could. If you're buying and selling shares,

1:00:33.880 --> 1:00:36.360
<v Speaker 1>you obviously need their brokers to carry it out.

1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:38.720
<v Speaker 2>And so but recently I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>Fidelity has made a big investment in crypto and in bitcoin,

1:00:44.840 --> 1:00:48.160
<v Speaker 1>and I think you mentioned that there's a tightening up

1:00:48.240 --> 1:00:53.240
<v Speaker 1>of the regulatory infrastructure. So while the bitcoin world may

1:00:53.280 --> 1:00:57.120
<v Speaker 1>have looked like the wild West, you know, twenty ten

1:00:57.200 --> 1:01:02.040
<v Speaker 1>to twenty fifteen, it's now become mainstream. And of course,

1:01:02.080 --> 1:01:05.120
<v Speaker 1>as we go into an increasingly digital world, isn't it

1:01:05.240 --> 1:01:08.280
<v Speaker 1>obvious that digital currencies are going to be the way

1:01:08.720 --> 1:01:15.080
<v Speaker 1>in which transactions take place? Are you talk a little

1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:19.280
<v Speaker 1>bit about block trust, Ira, because it seems to me that,

1:01:19.280 --> 1:01:22.480
<v Speaker 1>like your company is kind of a marriage of recognizing

1:01:22.520 --> 1:01:26.840
<v Speaker 1>the power of bitcoin and crypto but marrying it to

1:01:26.920 --> 1:01:31.320
<v Speaker 1>the technology of artificial intelligence and explain why that can

1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:35.160
<v Speaker 1>be really helpful to someone who's looking for sort of

1:01:35.520 --> 1:01:38.880
<v Speaker 1>looking for some smart people to manage their money even

1:01:38.960 --> 1:01:39.720
<v Speaker 1>while they sleep.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, good question, and I kind of reference what you

1:01:43.480 --> 1:01:47.440
<v Speaker 8>said that you know where we're now seeing Fidelity purchase bitcoin,

1:01:48.240 --> 1:01:51.840
<v Speaker 8>we are seeing Morgan Stanley, We're seeing black Rock develop

1:01:51.880 --> 1:01:55.240
<v Speaker 8>even these ets strategies for bitcoin. And in fact, if

1:01:55.280 --> 1:01:58.800
<v Speaker 8>you look at these big institutions now, the most profitable

1:01:58.960 --> 1:02:02.640
<v Speaker 8>asset class, these big institutions like Blackbrook, the most profitable

1:02:02.680 --> 1:02:06.480
<v Speaker 8>etf is bitcoin. So, like you said, if you can't

1:02:06.520 --> 1:02:09.160
<v Speaker 8>beat them, then join them, because they now trying to

1:02:09.200 --> 1:02:13.560
<v Speaker 8>find out ways on how to monetize the cryptocurrency landscape

1:02:13.560 --> 1:02:16.000
<v Speaker 8>because they've been missing out for many years. But this

1:02:16.080 --> 1:02:19.560
<v Speaker 8>is where the problem really arises. Because let's say you

1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.120
<v Speaker 8>speak to Fidelity or you're speaking to your neighbor and

1:02:22.160 --> 1:02:24.840
<v Speaker 8>you're like, Hey, you know, I'm hearing bitcoins a good investments.

1:02:24.880 --> 1:02:27.280
<v Speaker 8>I want to buy some Where do I go? And

1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:30.360
<v Speaker 8>you could be buyed online at Fidelity, you could go

1:02:30.440 --> 1:02:33.560
<v Speaker 8>to Coinbase, you could go to Kraken and then this

1:02:33.600 --> 1:02:37.240
<v Speaker 8>is where the problem starts, because they're giving you essentially

1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:41.320
<v Speaker 8>a platform, and the platform fancy word for platform is

1:02:41.360 --> 1:02:45.040
<v Speaker 8>like you buy yourself DIY, go and figure it out,

1:02:45.080 --> 1:02:46.840
<v Speaker 8>and you can try and buy some crypto over here.

1:02:46.880 --> 1:02:48.520
<v Speaker 8>And this is where people are left kind of scratching

1:02:48.560 --> 1:02:50.720
<v Speaker 8>their head because they're like, well, this is complicated. I

1:02:50.720 --> 1:02:54.800
<v Speaker 8>don't even understand how to do this. So at block Trust,

1:02:55.000 --> 1:02:57.960
<v Speaker 8>what we do is we specialize in helping people first

1:02:58.000 --> 1:03:02.040
<v Speaker 8>and foremost on board safely, securely, even with an IRA

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<v Speaker 8>or four one K, because the government lets you do that.

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<v Speaker 8>You can roll over a retirement account tax and penalty free,

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<v Speaker 8>and you could buy digital currencies with it, such as bitcoin,

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<v Speaker 8>the theory of even XRP. We have over sixty different cryptocurrencies.

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<v Speaker 8>But now this is really the main distinguishing factor between

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<v Speaker 8>block Trust and everybody else out there. So everybody else

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<v Speaker 8>out there kind of gives you a cockpit. We give

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<v Speaker 8>you a pilot, so we are here to talk to

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<v Speaker 8>you on board. You that you know you're calling a

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<v Speaker 8>phone number, you're not ending up overseas somewhere. You're actually

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<v Speaker 8>speaking to someone that has knowledge about the cryptocurrency market

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<v Speaker 8>that can walk you through a to z on how

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<v Speaker 8>to purchase this. So so number one, you're not alone.

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<v Speaker 8>Number two, you know, we take security very seriously, so

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<v Speaker 8>military greed, encryption, two hundred million dollars worth of insurance

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<v Speaker 8>when people are buying, So we want to make sure

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<v Speaker 8>people feel safe and secure. And when you buy a cryptocurrency.

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<v Speaker 8>The big maybe conundrum that people kind of talk about

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<v Speaker 8>is the volatility with crypto. Right, we know it's inherently volatile.

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<v Speaker 8>So all you can do up until we came around

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<v Speaker 8>was what we call the buy and hold strategy. So

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<v Speaker 8>buy and hold strategy may work wonders for I don't know,

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<v Speaker 8>precious metals, which I also own. You know, you buy

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<v Speaker 8>a piece of silver, you throw it in the safe

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<v Speaker 8>and you forget about it, buy and hold. But why

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<v Speaker 8>doesn't that work for cryptocurrency. Well, because it's a market

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<v Speaker 8>that doesn't sleep. It's a market that doesn't have an

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<v Speaker 8>opening bell, it doesn't have a closing bell, so it's

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<v Speaker 8>always on twenty four to seven. So the question then arises,

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<v Speaker 8>who's watching your portfolio at three am? If there's attack

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<v Speaker 8>in the Middle East, if there's fiscal policy change in Japan,

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<v Speaker 8>if there's a currency debasement. So we use very sophisticated AI,

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<v Speaker 8>which we've had for the past seven years that was

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<v Speaker 8>voted number one trading strategy by Bitcoin Magazine. And what

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<v Speaker 8>this AI is doing and it's the good kind at Dineshkase.

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<v Speaker 8>Sometimes ALI can also have a negative perspective on it,

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<v Speaker 8>but our AI is crunching data and they say data

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<v Speaker 8>is the new oil. And when you're looking at a

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<v Speaker 8>market that doesn't sleep, we have to quantify millions and

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<v Speaker 8>millions of data points. So we're looking at on chain metrics,

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<v Speaker 8>who's buying, who's selling, We're looking at investor sentiment, who's talking,

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<v Speaker 8>who's tweeting about bitcoin? And multiple different languages around the globe.

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<v Speaker 8>We're looking at priced technical analysis, trading charts, we're looking

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<v Speaker 8>at macroeconomic data, which is probably the key indicator right now,

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<v Speaker 8>especially with what's going on within Iran and the oil supply.

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<v Speaker 8>And we're quantifying these data points and the data is

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<v Speaker 8>telling us, hey, get out of the market. Volatility is

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<v Speaker 8>going to hit us. So we move our clients out

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<v Speaker 8>of the market and they sit in cash. They can

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<v Speaker 8>access their money anytime, there's no lock up period, and

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<v Speaker 8>then when the time's right to buy again, we'll get

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<v Speaker 8>these green signals and then we'll be able to buy

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<v Speaker 8>back in for our clients. So what doing is we're

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<v Speaker 8>mitigating that draw down that we see with crypto, the

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<v Speaker 8>draw down. We've seen it go stray high, but people

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<v Speaker 8>weren't able to lock in their profits at the right time.

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<v Speaker 8>So what if there was a way where this volatility

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<v Speaker 8>is like being at a beach with your family and

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<v Speaker 8>a lifeguard and he's blowing the whistle. Don't go in

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<v Speaker 8>the ocean. There's a riptide. Everyone needs to stay out.

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<v Speaker 8>So we're able to do that. We do this very successfully.

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<v Speaker 8>Twenty twenty five was a very bad year for bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 8>If you would have held it from January to December,

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<v Speaker 8>you would have been down negative six and a half percent.

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<v Speaker 8>But with our technology, we were up twenty seven percent.

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<v Speaker 8>So that's something I like to brag about. And how

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<v Speaker 8>we're able to do that is recognizing times in the

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<v Speaker 8>market where you need to be buying and selling out

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<v Speaker 8>buying and selling, and maybe we'll do that three or

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<v Speaker 8>four times a month, depending on the volatility. So we

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<v Speaker 8>look at now volatility as our friend. It's not a

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<v Speaker 8>magic crystal ball in Nasha. We're not right one hundred

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<v Speaker 8>percent of the time, but we are right more than

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<v Speaker 8>we are wrong, and then this is how we beat

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<v Speaker 8>the buy and hold strategy. So a buy and hold

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<v Speaker 8>strategy may work wonders for many different asset classes out there,

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<v Speaker 8>such as precious metals, but a buy and hold for

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<v Speaker 8>an asset class that doesn't sleep because there's no opening

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<v Speaker 8>bell or closing bell, you want to have a watchdog.

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<v Speaker 8>You want to have someone watching this twenty four to

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<v Speaker 8>seven even while you sleep, so you can make the

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<v Speaker 8>right decisions at the right time from saving you tens

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<v Speaker 8>of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars worth of

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<v Speaker 8>potential gains or losses just by using this very sophisticated

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<v Speaker 8>AI which I will add one last thing that was

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<v Speaker 8>only reserved and available for hedge funds, elite institutional investors

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<v Speaker 8>that were using our technology, and I was able to

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<v Speaker 8>bring this technology down to the retail level, so people

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<v Speaker 8>like you and I, just retail investors as well who

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<v Speaker 8>have iras and four to one ks can take advantage

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<v Speaker 8>of this. Because people want to invest and they want

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<v Speaker 8>to invest in crypto, but to not use our type

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<v Speaker 8>of technology is actually irresponsible. It will be irresponsible not

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<v Speaker 8>to use this type of technology right now. And people

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<v Speaker 8>who are looking at crypto they may be on the

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<v Speaker 8>right track, but they're on the wrong train because now

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<v Speaker 8>we have these sophisticated tools that are going to mitigate

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<v Speaker 8>risk and maximize returns. And this is exactly why block

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<v Speaker 8>trust is probably the fastest growing crypto platform in America today.

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<v Speaker 1>The company is block trust IRA. I've been talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Rose, the CEO. Jonathan, thank you very much, Thank you, Denesh.

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<v Speaker 1>We work our entire life sacrificing and saving for a

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable retirement, to leave a legacy for our children and grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 1>Right but then you see the reckless spending in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>you see the inflation that's eating away at your hard

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