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Speaker 1: The newest trend of unconservative young people is Nixon maxing.

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Speaker 1: A recent article in The Wall Street Journal described the phenomenon.

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Speaker 1: Nixon has become a popular figure in viral YouTube, Instagram

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Speaker 1: and TikTok videos, where his archival footage is typically paired

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Speaker 1: with rap music. The Nixon Foundation is actively pushing this content. Now,

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Speaker 1: some of this hoopla is mere nostalgia, Nixon maxing, hats

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Speaker 1: and Nixon geear Nixon now more than ever, items, and

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Speaker 1: so on.

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Speaker 2: But there's more to it than this.

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Speaker 1: Nixon maxing means maxing out on Nixon, going all in

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Speaker 1: on Nixon, in a sense, resurrecting Nixon from the dustment

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Speaker 1: of history and making him an important and relevant figure again.

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Speaker 1: Nixon has become the younger generation's uncool cool guy. The

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Speaker 1: Nixon revival is a bit surprising because for the past

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Speaker 1: several decades, the iconic conservative figure was Reagan. Reagan dominated

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Speaker 1: the era from nineteen eighty to two thousand and eight

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Speaker 1: these are my dates for the Reagan era, and Trump

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Speaker 1: has dominated from twenty fifteen to now. Other figures Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford,

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Speaker 1: the two Bushes have been consigned to the shadows. To

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Speaker 1: the hazy background of history. Young conservatives, however, seem a

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Speaker 1: bit out of sync with Reagan. They don't identify with

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Speaker 1: Reagan's sunny optimism, his big sky conservatism, and so they've

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Speaker 1: picked Nixon as a sort of anti Reagan. They picked

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Speaker 1: the guy the left hated the most, the president they've

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Speaker 1: tried to stomp on for fifty years, and that guy

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Speaker 1: is now their new hero. Now I'm not a Nixon Maxer,

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Speaker 1: but I think the reappraisal of Nixon is both welcome

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Speaker 1: and overdue. Jade Vance recently said nice things about Nixon

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Speaker 1: at the Nixon Library, comparing Nixon to Trump. To give

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Speaker 1: my own take on Nixon, which comes not from a

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Speaker 1: millennial or gen Z, but from someone who came to

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Speaker 1: America as a teenager in the aftermath of the Nixon era.

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Speaker 1: I came to America in nineteen seventy eight. Nixon had

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Speaker 1: been out of office for four years, and Jimmy Carter

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Speaker 1: was elected in nineteen seventy six. Now, Republicans suffered a

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Speaker 1: terrible wipeout in the midterm election of nineteen seventy four.

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Speaker 1: This was the year Nixon resigned his office. Ford was

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Speaker 1: the well meaning but clumsy successor. Nixon's failure, I have

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Speaker 1: to say, gave Democrats not only the presidency, but large

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Speaker 1: majorities in the House and the Senate. Yes, Nixon one

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Speaker 1: forty nine states in nineteen seventy two, but he still

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Speaker 1: never had the sweeping control of the government that his

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Speaker 1: removal and disgrace gave the Democrats. Jimmy Carter almost destroyed

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Speaker 1: the country until the American people came to their census

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Speaker 1: and elected Reagan. Reagan defined a whole era as Nixon

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Speaker 1: did not. Both served two terms and both one with

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Speaker 1: big majority. But Reagan had a revolution and Nixon didn't.

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Speaker 1: Reagan brought the top marginal tax rate down from seventy

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Speaker 1: percent to twenty eight percent. Reagan won the Cold War,

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Speaker 1: helped deliberate Eastern Europe, and brought down Soviet Communism itself.

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Speaker 1: Now what does Nixon have.

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Speaker 2: To compare to that.

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Speaker 1: Well, Nixon went to China and he played an important

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Speaker 1: role in breaking a potential Soviet Chinese alliance. In a way,

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Speaker 1: he separated the Russian Communists from the Chinese communists. Nixon's

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Speaker 1: bold move did contain Soviet expansion, but it opened a

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Speaker 1: pathway to closer ties with China. And what has that

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Speaker 1: brought us well a mixed bag. China was a sleepy,

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Speaker 1: backward nation when Nixon went there. Since Nixon opened up China,

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Speaker 1: it's become more dangerous than the Soviet Union ever was.

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Speaker 1: It's now an economic and military juggernaut, basically the manufacturing

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Speaker 1: and adversary. So the Soviet bear has been displaced by

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Speaker 1: the Chinese dragon. Reagan described the Soviet Union as an

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Speaker 1: evil empire. Nixon never understood the ideological dimension of Soviet totalitarianism.

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Speaker 1: For him, the Russians were no different than the Prussian

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Speaker 1: how great powers deal with one another. Nixon was into

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Speaker 1: the art of warfare because that's what statesmanship was for him,

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Speaker 1: Soviet Empire itself, regarding that prospect as an ideological pipe dream, foolish, reckless,

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Speaker 1: and dangerous. Now domestically, Nixon was a liberal. Not only

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Speaker 1: did he lavishly fund New Deal in great society projects.

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Speaker 1: He's also, in a sense, the founder of DEI. When

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Speaker 1: Lyndon Johnson advocated for government sponsored affirmative action, the first

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Speaker 1: was called the Philadelphia Plan. Now, Nixon's motive was Machiavelli,

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Speaker 2: The joke was on Nixon.

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Speaker 1: The EI became expanded and embedded in the American workforce,

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Speaker 1: So Nixon, I'm sorry to say, had a big role

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Speaker 1: in starting it. Nixon was not really a conservative. How

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Speaker 1: He was certainly a patriot and anti communist. That's why

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Speaker 1: he liked Pat Buchanan so much. Buchanan, too was fiercely

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Speaker 1: his autobiography how Nixon kept asking him, Pat, who are

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Speaker 2: Who they were and what they believed.

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Speaker 1: For these reasons, Nixon's blindness to Soviet ideology, his welfare

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Speaker 1: his manifest ignorance of conservatism, many conservatives at the time

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Speaker 1: did not like Nixon. Several times did I hear the

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Speaker 1: publisher of National Review, Bill Rusher say I hated Nixon

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Speaker 1: until Watergate. Russia's point is that only when the left

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Speaker 1: Given all this, I asked myself, what is the great

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 1: Why do young people today find Nixon a more interesting

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Speaker 1: Maybe, but why him? I think a single experience I

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Speaker 1: might help to answer this question. I can't remember the

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Speaker 1: most consequential person, but the most interesting, was Richard Nixon.

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Speaker 2: But how to meet him? Well.

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Speaker 1: One of our group, Greg Fasstal, a dartmucd grad who

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Speaker 1: was a Nixon admirer. Greg was brilliant, but also a

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Speaker 1: So Greg identified with Nixon, and he had several years

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Speaker 1: earlier written a letter to Nixon, and Nixon at courteously replied, So,

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Speaker 1: Greg was kind of our in with Nixon, But what

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Speaker 1: a letterhead and Greg sent an invitation to Nixon. To

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Speaker 1: our amazement, he said, yes, we had breakfast, if I

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Speaker 1: a brief tour de horizon of current events. He took questions,

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Speaker 1: and it's one of those questions and his reply that

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Speaker 2: Me over all these years.

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Speaker 1: Now, Greg, who was never shy to ask awkward questions,

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Speaker 1: put this question to Nixon. How is it He asked

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Speaker 1: that Reagan survived the Iran contrast, but you were forced

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Speaker 2: But in Reagan's case they failed. With you.

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Speaker 1: They didn't impeach you, but they did get you out

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Speaker 1: of office. So what did Reagan have that you didn't

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Speaker 1: A bombshell of a question. Now, Nixon paused, he he scowled,

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Speaker 1: I mean, got to feel a little uncomfortable. Several people

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Speaker 1: in our group gave Greg a dirty look. We were like,

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Speaker 1: how could you ask that? And then Nixon replied it

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Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan. Well, at least he could say he was stupid.

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Speaker 2: And there you have it.

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Speaker 1: What an insight. Not so much into Reagan as into Nixon.

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Speaker 1: Nixon never understood how Reagan survived, but he didn't. More broadly,

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Speaker 1: he never understood how Reagan succeeded in transforming the world,

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Speaker 1: Thus, Nixon concluded that Reagan's secret was his stupidity. People

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Speaker 1: become even more clear when they are contrasted with Reagan's qualities.

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Speaker 1: Reagan was fundamentally an optimist, and that optimism characterized the

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Speaker 1: not exactly a close presidential election in nineteen seventy two.

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Speaker 1: So what's the justification for organizing elaborate spying campaigns on

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Speaker 1: Nixon is no longer with us, but as paranoia surely is.

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Speaker 1: In fact, we live in a paranoid epoch of Nixonian dimensions.

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Speaker 1: I can see how the paranoia of our own era

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Speaker 1: where it came from. It came from numerous conspiracy theories

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Speaker 1: coming true. It came from previously trusted institutions, the CDC,

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Speaker 1: came from bitter disappointments in American society, the outsourcing of jobs,

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Speaker 1: but also a profound sense of victimization, since paranoia and

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Speaker 1: his sense of victimization are both palpable. Even in the

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Speaker 1: one incident I recounted, Nixon remained paranoid to the end.

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Speaker 1: He never gave up the sense that he was shafted.

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Speaker 1: And here's the thing. He was right to be paranoid.

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Speaker 1: Remember the saying, even paranoids have enemies. Nixon feared the

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Speaker 5: when he which she was at home.

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Speaker 2: Taking care of their newborn child.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we can, like, come on, Donald Trump is

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Speaker 5: not a.

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Speaker 1: One says that Trump hasn't been a playboy in his

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Speaker 1: earlier days, but.

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Speaker 2: Such a pay her for sex?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we can do a lot of this stuff

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Speaker 1: is claims and counterclaims. And we will also live in

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Speaker 1: a system, unfortunately, where even juries have become untrustworthy and

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Speaker 1: theized environment. A case in point is the January sixth defendants.

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Speaker 1: Most of those guys went before absolutely one sided juries.

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Speaker 2: Eleven out of twelve Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Not a jury of their peers. Again, should they have

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Speaker 1: broken at the capitol. No, but where they over prosecuted,

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Speaker 1: over punished. People actually took their lives over this incident,

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Speaker 1: committed suicide. The Biden administration did that to them, and

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Speaker 1: it did that to them. Really why because many of

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Speaker 1: those people were white, male, Christian and conservative. The truth

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Speaker 1: about standing is every citizen has a stake in the election,

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Speaker 1: and so you would think that any citizen who brought

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Speaker 1: a case on this matter, you'd buy, like, okay, let's

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Speaker 1: look at it, right. There were a lot of, by

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Speaker 1: the way, suggestive reasons. It's not as if this just

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Speaker 1: came out of nowhere. The windows boarded up stopping five

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Speaker 1: places stop the count within a few seconds of each other.

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Speaker 2: Think about this.

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Speaker 1: Supposedly each state is conducting their own count, and yet

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Speaker 1: they all stop the count at the same time.

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Speaker 2: And to this day, you don't know and I don't know,

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Speaker 2: and he doesn't know who gave the order. That's none

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Speaker 2: of the well who gave the order.

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Speaker 1: The idea that all the states stopped counting the same

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Speaker 1: They all stopped counting within a few seconds of each other.

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Speaker 2: They literally not okay, literally none of this is true.

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Speaker 5: But okay, there's a reason why you guys can't point

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Speaker 5: to any court documents, any filings, anything that demonstrates the

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Speaker 5: truthfulness of anything. It's why the guy the only guys

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Speaker 5: that defend this idea are the crazy my pillow dude

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Speaker 5: who sells pillows for fourteen dollars in eighty eight cents.

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Speaker 2: On his website. Mike Lindell. Yeah, we can watch the video.

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Speaker 5: We can watch There's hours of footage of Sidney Powell

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Speaker 5: lying to people, lying to these committees that are listening

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Speaker 5: to them talk about all the fake votes. We can

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Speaker 5: see the State Farm arena footage where she says, we

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Speaker 5: don't know where the boxes came from. They who were

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Speaker 5: literally counting them, they put them under the table and

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Speaker 5: then they brought them back out. The full video footage exists.

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Speaker 5: There's a reason why they can't even make standing on

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Speaker 5: these cases.

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Speaker 3: You are right.

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Speaker 2: There were a lot of people that.

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Speaker 5: Would have had standing to bring these types of cases,

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Speaker 5: but none of the cases had good merits, and the

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Speaker 5: judges knew that people like you, who's who had nice

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Speaker 5: interactions with Trump, would be doing propaganda form. Even the

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Speaker 5: ones that were thrown out on standing, the judges addressed

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Speaker 5: the merits of those cases. If you'd read a single

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Speaker 5: one of those decisions, you would have actually seen that

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Speaker 5: they had the ability to make all of this evidence public.

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Speaker 5: Sidney Palgulni, where is it? Where is all of the investigation?

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Speaker 5: Whereas all of the public evidence for all of the

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Speaker 5: Tina Peters people they had digging through these machines in

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Speaker 5: the background. Notice that there is not a scintilla a

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Speaker 5: positive evidence that there was a single vote that was

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Speaker 5: actually changed or rigged or anything that proper happened anywhere.

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Speaker 5: Why did they lose on every single court case, even

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Speaker 5: when there were judges that looking over this that were

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Speaker 5: Trump nominated, Trump appointed judges.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the judges were scared to get into it.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, because they judge by and large is in

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Speaker 1: the judicial lane and they don't want a second guest

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Speaker 1: an election process. It's too complicated. They've never done it before.

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Speaker 2: Let me forget hold on, what do you talk?

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Speaker 1: Let me let me give you the big picture here

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Speaker 1: that I think will convince reasonable people that something fishy

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Speaker 1: happened in a big way. I'm not talking about ten

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Speaker 1: guys from a nursing home. So Obama got sixty five

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Speaker 1: million votes in two thousand and eight, he got between

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Speaker 1: sixty five and sixty eight million votes. In two thousand

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Speaker 1: and eight and twenty twelve, his two elections, Hillary got

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Speaker 1: about the same number of votes, about sixty five million votes.

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, years later, with.

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Speaker 1: A demographic shift in the country, got close to seventy

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Speaker 1: five million votes. Now Joe Biden in the middle, Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: Joe what's my middle name? Biden gets eighty one million votes.

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Speaker 1: Eighty one million votes, which means that fifteen million more

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Speaker 1: votes than Obama mysteriously showed up for Biden and promptly

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Speaker 1: six million of them at a minimum vanished even after

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty election. So Biden, the guy who can't

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Speaker 1: raise one hundred dollars to build his library because everybody

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Speaker 1: basically considers him to be a vegetable and a pawn.

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Speaker 1: This Biden is evidently the most popular figure in US history,

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Speaker 1: surpassing Obama.

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Speaker 2: Have every other Democrat how many to.

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Speaker 4: Give our speakers a huge round of applause for a

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Speaker 4: spectacular start to the day.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing, Thank you guys so much.

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Speaker 4: Are Christians morally obligated to support the Jews in Israel?

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Speaker 2: I'm excited for this one.

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Speaker 4: Pleasejoin me and welcoming Danesh de Suza.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Wilson.

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Speaker 1: We're talking as Christians, so I'm assuming that the premise

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Speaker 1: of debate is that we are Christians, were Catholics, were Protestants,

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Speaker 1: were in the mainstream of the Christian tradition. My own

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Speaker 1: work in apologetics has taken the C. S. Lewis kind

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Speaker 1: of mere Christianity approach. I'll be using generally that in

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Speaker 1: this debate. By way of background, I come from a

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Speaker 1: very old Catholic family in India. It goes back about

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Speaker 1: four hundred years. My grandfather's brother was the Cardinal of Pakistan.

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Speaker 1: So I'm deeply rooted in the Catholic tradition, the Catholic

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Speaker 1: intellectual tradition. I've studied it, I've written a lot about it,

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Speaker 1: and I've debated it against unrually leading atheists, people at

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Speaker 1: Christopher Hitchins and others. Now, Israel is not my topic,

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Speaker 1: and by that I mean, in a career spanning thirty

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Speaker 1: five years, I haven't written about it. I barely mentioned it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not known as a Zionist. I don't identify with Zionism,

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Speaker 1: which was a secular socialist movement of the nineteenth century.

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Speaker 1: I have no particular stake in Israel as a country.

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Speaker 1: I'm America first, all the way, and so keep those

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Speaker 1: things in mind as we have this debate. If you're

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Speaker 1: looking for me to sort of channel Ben Shapiro or

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Speaker 1: Mark Levin, that's really not going to be happening here.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a professional Israel advocate in any sense of

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Speaker 1: the term. I discovered Israel really two or three years

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Speaker 1: ago when I visited for the first time, and I

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Speaker 1: found it interesting in two ways. The first one simply

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Speaker 1: that we live at a time when cities have become

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Speaker 1: really homogenized these days. You know, there's no point going

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Speaker 1: to Zurich and Copenhagen, it's.

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Speaker 2: All kind of one thing. Israel is not like that.

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Speaker 1: In Israel, you're very conscious that you're in the land

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Speaker 1: of the Bible. That is a very important feeling for Christians.

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Speaker 1: You get the sense that this is your spiritual homeland.

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Speaker 1: And by spiritual homeland, what I mean is that our

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Speaker 1: faith is not some kind of abstraction that is delivered

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Speaker 1: in the sky. It could have been God could could

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Speaker 1: have put the Ten Commandments.

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Speaker 2: He could have, you know, put it on the moon.

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Speaker 2: But he didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: Our Bible, our history, our Christianity is historical. It's rooted

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Speaker 1: in real people and real events and real places. It

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Speaker 1: took place somewhere in the world, and that somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Happens to be Israel.

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Speaker 1: That's worth remembering and worth noting. Also discovered in the

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Speaker 1: course of now for visits to Israel the thing that

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Speaker 1: really interests me, and that is biblical archaeology. And biblical

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Speaker 1: archaeology has the definitive effect of authenticating and corroborating the

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Speaker 1: people and events in the Bible. We can go into

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Speaker 1: it a little bit later. I will give you the

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Speaker 1: most shocking examples of this, but it is a massive

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Speaker 1: refutation of the skepticism and atheism of the nineteenth century,

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Speaker 1: which basically said that the Bible was written hundreds of

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Speaker 1: years later and most of it was kind of made up.

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Speaker 1: Biblical archaeology shows us that the Bible is talking about

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Speaker 1: real people and true events. You can debate the miracles,

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Speaker 1: you can debate the theology, but that these things are real,

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Speaker 1: these people are real, the events are real has been

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Speaker 1: authenticated down to the most excruciating detail. That's very important

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Speaker 1: because it also happens to establish the presence of the

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Speaker 1: Jews and their ancestral homeland, and in a way, to me,

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Speaker 1: the fundamental question that we're discussing today. When I say

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Speaker 1: morally obligated, what I really mean is what's the right

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Speaker 1: thing to do? Now, saying what the right thing to

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Speaker 1: do doesn't solve the problem of should we give money

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Speaker 1: to Israel or how much money should we give to Israel?

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Supporting Israel herely here basically means having a certain recognition

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Speaker 1: of a kind of spiritual and historical kinship or line

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Speaker 1: of continuity established by the way in the Bible. And

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Speaker 1: don't think of the Old Testament as Jewish. The New

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Speaker 1: Testament is just as Jewish as the Old. Both are

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Speaker 1: describing Jewish communities, and Christianity came right out of that.

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Speaker 1: In fact, the first Christians were Jews.

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Speaker 2: They were Jews who followed the Messiah.

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Speaker 1: I think historically we could say with great accuracy they

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Speaker 1: were the very first Judaeo Christians. The apostles were Judaeo Christians.

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Speaker 1: And now, to me, the core of this question is

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Speaker 1: whose land is it? Thirty seconds thirty seconds, I was

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Speaker 1: just getting I was just getting warmed.

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Speaker 2: This is my introduction guys. All right, let me just

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Speaker 2: put it this way.

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Speaker 1: There are three ways to get a country. First, you

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Speaker 1: were there first, that's the ancestral claim. Number two, you

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Speaker 1: got the country by some kind of negotiation or treaty.

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Speaker 1: Or number three, you got the lined because you captured it.

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Speaker 1: Every single country on the map in the world now

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Speaker 1: has gotten its claim based on one of these three ways.

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Speaker 1: The argument I'm going to make is that Israel succeeds

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Speaker 1: on all three ways.

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Speaker 2: It checks all the boxes. Even America doesn't.

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Speaker 1: The American Indians were here first, we might have conquered them,

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Speaker 1: taken the land from them, So we got it by conquest.

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Speaker 1: They got it by original inhabitancy. And there's a little

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Speaker 1: bit of an argument over here, but I'm going to

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Speaker 1: argue that the Jews were there, it's their land. Number Two,

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Speaker 1: they got it by treaty, was given to them by

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Speaker 1: the United Nations. They accepted it, the Palestinians rejected it.

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Speaker 1: And three they got it by not just by conquest.

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Speaker 1: They fought three defensive wars against massive coalitions of Islamic

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Speaker 1: forces that are into essentially global colonization. The Muslims are

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Speaker 1: the real colonizers, and so whichever box you choose, Israel succeeds,

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Speaker 1: and therefore supporting Israel isn't just sort of the biblical

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Speaker 1: thing to do, it's the right thing to do.

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Speaker 6: Big round of applause for to Nash, real quick, great opening,

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Speaker 6: but that's not going to save him. I want for

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Speaker 6: everybody to remember that the topic of this debate is

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Speaker 6: if Christians have a moral obligation to support Jews in Israel.

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Speaker 6: He didn't give us one. It is obvious to me that,

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Speaker 6: since the answer is clearly no uh oh, that Danesh

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Speaker 6: likely gave no reason, which means I predicted you wouldn't

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Speaker 6: give us one. I will begin by expressing to you

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Speaker 6: the audience that when discussing normative claims are in this

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Speaker 6: place moral claims, you need to demonstrate why the moral

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Speaker 6: obligation is there. Danesh's view comes down to a whole

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Speaker 6: bunch of really stupid propositions that actually make no sense.

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Speaker 6: Note I'm not calling Danesh stupid, He's far from it.

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Speaker 6: But even intelligent people can believe stupid propositions and often

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Speaker 6: do logical proposition one.

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Speaker 3: Christians need to support.

654
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Speaker 6: A Jewish state of Israel because their ethics and Christian

655
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Speaker 6: ethics overlap.

656
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Speaker 3: This is something which Danesh has said multiple times.

657
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Speaker 6: The reason this is a stupid proposition is because the

658
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 6: modern state of Israel is a secular state. This date

659
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 6: supports abortion and most of the public supports it. They

660
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 6: have pregnancy termination boards which grant ninety nine percent of

661
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 6: applications abortions up to twenty four weeks and beyond. They

662
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 6: support gay marriage, and while not marrying gays themselves as

663
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 6: there is no civil marriage authority, they recognize all out

664
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Speaker 6: of country gay marriages as valid and all gay cohabitation

665
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Speaker 6: has identical social and financial rights.

666
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Speaker 3: Let that sync in.

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00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,760
Speaker 6: They are extremely pro transgender in their public healthcare system

668
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 6: provides generously for trans surgery and voice mod training. According

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Speaker 6: sorry about that one second here. According to their own polling,

670
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Speaker 6: the Israeli Institute for Gender and LGBTQ Studies has supported

671
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Speaker 6: seventy five percent or more for homosexual acceptance, advocacy and

672
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Speaker 6: gender care, which includes ninety percent from secular Jews and

673
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Speaker 6: even over fifty percent from the religious Orthodox Jews. Now

674
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Speaker 6: I can keep going, women in the military, IVF programs,

675
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 6: national health care, prostitution, pornography. These are libtards, essentially who

676
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 6: live in Israel that Denesh wants us to support a

677
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 6: whole nation of them. Christian ethics here in the USA

678
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 6: determines that we resist these things in our own nations.

679
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 6: Why would we support other nations which codify these things as.

680
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Speaker 3: Law anymore than we would sharia law.

681
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Speaker 6: I don't want millions upon millions or billions of my

682
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Speaker 6: dollars to be used to support a system which allows

683
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Speaker 6: for these forms of degeneracy when we were busy combating

684
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Speaker 6: them in our own backyard.

685
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Speaker 3: Why would Christians support that?

686
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: Now?

687
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Speaker 6: Dnesh can argue the USA is plagued with similar problems,

688
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Speaker 6: and that's true, and Christians here oppose our own governmental

689
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Speaker 6: national apparatus and strongly attempt to legislate against these forms

690
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Speaker 6: of policy. We do the opposite of funding it, except

691
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Speaker 6: through force of tax proposition to Densh believes that the

692
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Speaker 6: Christians have a stake in Israel because it's the holiest

693
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Speaker 6: of holies and the holiest Christian sites are there. I

694
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Speaker 6: grant this is true, but that doesn't give us much

695
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Speaker 6: reason to keep the population they're Jewish. If Christians in

696
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Speaker 6: the West truly want access to the holy sites, then

697
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Speaker 6: why not just demand Israel, who is our protectorate take

698
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Speaker 6: a certain amount of Christians per year. I think one

699
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Speaker 6: hundred thousand or more should do the trick. The USA

700
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 6: has no cut cap on Jews immigrating here. Why not

701
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Speaker 6: just demand they allow Christian immigration with no cap there,

702
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Speaker 6: or we cut off all military funding and support and

703
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Speaker 6: that's that. Then we get the Holy sites. He argues

704
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Speaker 6: that Israeli's guard these things better than Muslims. I can

705
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Speaker 6: see that's true, But I'm certain millions of Christian immigrants

706
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Speaker 6: could protect them just fine. Not sure why there needs

707
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Speaker 6: to be a Jewish state to do this, or why

708
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Speaker 6: we have a moral obligation to keep it Jewish at all.

709
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Speaker 6: Proposition three danesh Offen sites the biblical principle of those

710
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Speaker 6: who bless Israel will be blessed. That's Genesis twelve three.

711
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Speaker 6: Does a modern state of Israel seem very blessed to you?

712
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 6: If He took every Jew in Israel and put them

713
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Speaker 6: in Germany in the year twenty twenty six, they would

714
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Speaker 6: be safer than they are in Israel. How's that for irony?

715
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 6: Is God blessing their abortions, their homosexuality and prostitution advocacy,

716
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Speaker 6: the rejection of the Messiah doesn't seem like it to me.

717
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Speaker 6: If that's what a god blessed nation looks like, then

718
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Speaker 6: I would be very wary of the blessings of that God,

719
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Speaker 6: because he sure seems like he isn't very fond of

720
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Speaker 6: them at moment.

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Speaker 3: Proposition four.

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Speaker 6: Do Christians have an obligation to support religious Jews naming

723
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Speaker 6: a Messiah considering that that Messiah figure will certainly be

724
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Speaker 6: false and anti christ This is obviously no. Don't know

725
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Speaker 6: about Dunesha over here, but the proposition of naming false

726
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Speaker 6: Messiah and Christians supporting that by funding the religious, more

727
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 6: conservative section of Jewish population claiming its moral seems insane

728
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Speaker 6: to me.

729
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Speaker 3: Proposition five.

730
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Speaker 6: Are secular Jews blessed or non religious Jews blessed by

731
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Speaker 6: the same genesis packaged dness or passage? In other words,

732
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Speaker 6: if I bless atheist Jews and all their liberal policies,

733
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Speaker 6: while I in turn be blessed with magic Jew blood,

734
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Speaker 6: do I need to fight and die on their behalf

735
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Speaker 6: of this blessing? Is it just a mind state like

736
00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 6: I just kind of cheer them on? Does it require

737
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Speaker 6: action on my part? What are my actual obligations here

738
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Speaker 6: as a Christian? What's the normative framework to receive said

739
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 6: blessing from my support of atheist Jews, I say the opposite.

740
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Speaker 6: As a Christian's my duty to resist and oppose the

741
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 6: radical as atheist and secutor Jewish agenda of Israel until

742
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Speaker 6: he conformed to my ethical model. I would like and

743
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 6: would do in all cases. I would demand this if

744
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Speaker 6: every nation pull all financial and military support and deal

745
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Speaker 6: with them only as a limited capacity as they could

746
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Speaker 6: be dealt with. I am not in the business of

747
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Speaker 6: funding abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, female empowerment. Christians must resist these

748
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Speaker 6: propositions and demand if Israel wants our aid, they need

749
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Speaker 6: to conform to the standards and normative ethics of the

750
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Speaker 6: very Christians they endlessly demand help from.

751
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Speaker 3: Let us play pretend.

752
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Speaker 6: Okay, tomorrow all of these Islamic nations right around Israel

753
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Speaker 6: unite and they crush it, and they wipe Israel out

754
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Speaker 6: in a single day. Let's just say, in this hypothetical, okay,

755
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Speaker 6: what happens then to the United States? What happens to

756
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Speaker 6: the United States?

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Speaker 1: What happens to the United States now is that you

758
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: will have created what Islam is long dreamed of, which

759
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Speaker 1: is a restoration of that we haven't had in a slade.

760
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Speaker 6: I give a shit about the Islamic Caliphate, though, why

761
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 6: do I care the the Islamic Caliphate.

762
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Speaker 1: Uh, the Islamic Caliphate is all over Texas. It is

763
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Speaker 1: not only taken.

764
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Speaker 6: That's though. We can fix immigration, whether or not you

765
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Speaker 6: have a Jewish state or not.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, many of these Muslims have been

767
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Speaker 1: here for decades. This project has been going on. Uh,

768
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Speaker 1: Muslims came to Detroit.

769
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Speaker 2: And then I have to do any Israel.

770
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Speaker 1: The anti semitism of Henry Ford where he said I

771
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Speaker 1: want to bring a bunch of Muslims over here on topic.

772
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: Israel's gone now in this hypothetical, in a single day.

773
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Speaker 3: They just steamroll it.

774
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Speaker 6: They take all the land, right, Okay, they are reforming

775
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 6: a caliphate.

776
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: Let's even say.

777
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: And you're like, who cares?

778
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Speaker 6: Yeah, when I go down into my toolbox to grab

779
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 6: the ranch to wrench on my fucking car, I care

780
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 6: about this?

781
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: Why?

782
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: Okay? Why why would you care? The same thing happened

783
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Speaker 1: to Alaska.

784
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 3: Because those are my countrymen.

785
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 2: Oh, those are your countrymen.

786
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: But you still can go to your toolbox and you

787
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 1: can work in your garage and if Alaska is off

788
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Speaker 1: the mat.

789
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Speaker 6: That would have drafts matter, that would have drastic direct

790
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 6: repercussions upon me. If it was the case that one

791
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Speaker 6: of the states of the country that I live in

792
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Speaker 6: was steamrolled by Islam. On the other hand, I think

793
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Speaker 6: that there would be far less drastic and direct consequences.

794
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Speaker 6: Weren't the case that, let's just say, Israel steamrolled by Islam.

795
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 6: What I want to know, specifically, if it was, what

796
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 6: the hell does the mechanic in the garage down the street,

797
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 6: what does that do to him?

798
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: Specifically?

799
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: What well in your view of the world, if it

800
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: is outside the geographic border of America, that boy has

801
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: to do with it.

802
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 6: I want you to answer the question I ask instead

803
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 6: of the office games.

804
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 2: The world is a much more.

805
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 3: The world's a dangerous place, a dangerous neighborhood.

806
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 2: In the world. I know it doesn't matter.

807
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: But that's all rhetoric.

808
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 6: Answer the question I asked Forget the rhetoric, give me

809
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 6: the logic. Let's pretend, seriously, pretend game out the hypothetical

810
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 6: with me. Israel's destroying a single day by its Islamic neighbors. Okay,

811
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 6: that's what happens. It's gone let's just say, how the

812
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 6: hell does that negatively affect the United States? What is

813
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 6: it going to do to the average citizen here if

814
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 6: that happens, even if Muslims are getting super upany and

815
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 6: want their caliphate, what.

816
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: Does it do?

817
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: Let's play it out.

818
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:25,439
Speaker 1: Okay, So number one, the let's assume that a juggernaut

819
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Speaker 1: launched out of let's say Iran and Qatar takes Israel.

820
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 3: Huh.

821
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Speaker 2: And not only that, but now all the other.

822
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 1: Gulf kingdoms are intimidated, and so they submit to a

823
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Speaker 1: single unified force. Let's just call it the United States

824
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: of Islam. Okay, And that's the whole Middle East.

825
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

826
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 1: It is fantastically rich, it has nuclear weapons, and it

827
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: has a suicidal and genocidal ideology that says, we love death,

828
00:44:55,400 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 1: we don't like life. These guys right are now going

829
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: to start bankrolling the Islamic project in America to a

830
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 1: degree that you can hardly imagine. So we are now

831
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Speaker 1: talking about the fact, and let's let's just game it out.

832
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 1: You want to game it out, let's game it out.

833
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: Okay.

834
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Speaker 1: Every politician in Texas, by and large, if you if

835
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: you want to get their attention, just write them a

836
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 1: check for ten thousand dollars and they will call you

837
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 1: within a week, within a week to hear you out.

838
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: And what's on your mind?

839
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Speaker 1: Now, imagine an Islamic regime, two billion people in the world,

840
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Speaker 1: with almost infinite resources, offering every US congressman one hundred

841
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: million dollars in.

842
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 2: Their pack if they vote on the side of Islam.

843
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: What percentage of Democrats do you think would say no,

844
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: I would submit, it's about one or two percent. What

845
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: percentage of Republicans would say no, I submit, it's about

846
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: ten percent.

847
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: Isson in law included.

848
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: Okay, but what we're basically talking about is a buyout

849
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: of the United States of America inc.

850
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 2: This is on the table.

851
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 1: The Muslims say they're gonna do it, they are doing it.

852
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: Would stands you started out.

853
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Speaker 7: All that stands in the way of of all of

854
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 7: the Muslim world uniting, even though there's nukes there now,

855
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 7: even though they have a shared value to destroy Israel.

856
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 6: Now is ten million Jews that are sitting. That's the

857
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 6: stupidest thing that I ever heard.

858
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Speaker 2: Here's actually well.

859
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: At all, game it.

860
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 6: Out a different way. They destroy Israel in a single day.

861
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 6: Isn't it equally possible that they open up relations with

862
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 6: the United States and the rest of the West because

863
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 6: they want to enter into massive trade agreements, because it

864
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 6: is the case that they want their own people groups

865
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 6: to thrive, because it is the case that they are

866
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 6: geographically landlocked away from Europe for the most part, and

867
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 6: definitely the United States.

868
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Speaker 3: Oh, isn't it the case that we could then get

869
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 3: oil for cheaper.

870
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Speaker 6: Isn't it then the case that there's all sorts of

871
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 6: trade agreements we could have that we no longer have

872
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 6: to sanction them on because we don't have to have

873
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 6: this protectorate there. That's equally logically possible. The problem that

874
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 6: you have here, I'm not saying that this should happen.

875
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 6: I'm pointing out in analogy that you are making the

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Speaker 6: determinative kind of quality here that ten million Jews are

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Speaker 6: stopping this nightmare scenario, and it's absurd.

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Speaker 3: That's not what's actually going on. What's actually going on.

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Speaker 6: Is the United States military is what's stopping that nightmare scenario,

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Speaker 6: not ten million Jews in the United States. And if

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Speaker 6: we had mass migration of Christians to that region for

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Speaker 6: their own holy land, for them to have their own

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Speaker 6: holy relics, for them to have the Holy Land back

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Speaker 6: to them, that region would be infinitely safer than it

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Speaker 6: is right this second.

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Speaker 1: So I think here we've reached the point where the

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Speaker 1: core naivete of your position, which is that the Muslims

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Speaker 1: are just like the rest of us, comes to the forefront.

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Speaker 1: When the Barbary pirates were menacing American ships and Jeffersons

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Speaker 1: and ambassadors, Jefferson's question to the ambassadors was, go talk

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Speaker 1: to the ambassador in Tripoli and ask them what is

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Speaker 1: their beef with America. They've been fighting with Europe for

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Speaker 1: a long time. We haven't done anything to them. Why

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Speaker 1: are they doing this to us? And the ambassador abdal

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Speaker 1: Rahman replied, he goes, it has nothing to do with you.

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Speaker 1: We are doing this because it asks us to do it.

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Speaker 1: In the Quran, you are an infidel and our job

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Speaker 1: is to fight, defeat and destroy the infidels. This is

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Speaker 1: in the Quran. It is the actual constitution of the

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Speaker 1: world of Islam. So when you say these are guys

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Speaker 1: who want coffee shops and tall buildings and Trump Tower

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Speaker 1: and high tech. Yes, but I would say, and here's

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Speaker 1: where you would say that the Muslims who want those

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Speaker 1: things are actually the Muslims least attentive to the Quran.

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Speaker 1: These are the Muslims who are actually less Islamic, mulim,

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Speaker 1: less in bread. The true Muslims see all of America

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Speaker 1: as the house of war. So the idea that you suggest,

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Speaker 1: which is the ge they're going to be we're landlocked,

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Speaker 1: we need to make some trade deals is a complete

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Speaker 1: misunderstanding of the nature of Islam.

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Speaker 2: And this is part of the reason I just want

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Speaker 2: necessary acts.

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Speaker 6: I want to make sure the naivete is on my

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Speaker 6: part that you believe the only thing stopping this future

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Speaker 6: is ten million Jews who are in that region.

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Speaker 3: No, I just want to make sure that that is.

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Speaker 2: The natural position. I'm not saying.

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Speaker 1: Look, you asked, you gave me a hypothetical, and you said,

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Speaker 1: if Israel is obliterated. The scenario I'm describing doesn't require

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Speaker 1: the obliteration of Israel. It simply requires the complete mobilization

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Speaker 1: of those countries. I think what Trump is doing is

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Speaker 1: he's playing a game in which he's trying to set

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Speaker 1: one Muslim off against another.

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Speaker 2: He's like, listen, let me see.

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Speaker 3: This, that's actually perfect.

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Speaker 6: So that if it is the case, Denesh, that this

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Speaker 6: does not require the obliteration of Israel for Muslims to

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Speaker 6: do this right this second. If they do begin acting

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Speaker 6: this way, and I agree with you that they likely will,

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Speaker 6: then I could see how Christians would have an obligation

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Speaker 6: to intervene, especially in our own interests, because now they're

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Speaker 6: coming here to kill us.

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Speaker 3: Great, we would need to do something about that.

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Speaker 6: But you see how you carefully took Israel out of

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Speaker 6: that equation and ten million juser out of that equation.

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Speaker 6: What's the obligation morally that we have to go help

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Speaker 6: them right this second when you just made the claim

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Speaker 6: that without them there or with them there, this can

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Speaker 6: still happen even without their obliteration.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's extend out the same analogy to see why

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying makes total sense.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's envision a.

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Speaker 1: Scenario where it's not Israel that is overrun, but Australia, Canada,

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Speaker 1: Great Britain, France and Germany are overrun by the Muslims.

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Speaker 3: With their immigration policy.

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Speaker 1: That's right, with their immigration policy, but not just immigration

947
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Speaker 1: po massively supported by terrorist infiltration money coming out of

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Speaker 1: Qatar and other is out of.

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Speaker 6: The terrorist infiltrate without the mass migration, Dinash.

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Speaker 2: No, many of them already in the country.

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Speaker 3: Because of mass migration, because.

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Speaker 2: Of original mass migration.

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Speaker 3: Yes, what we've done, Okay, that's a suicidal empathy.

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Speaker 6: But that has nothing at all to do if if

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Speaker 6: we have good border policy, and we have good immigration

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Speaker 6: policy locking Islam out of the United States and Western world,

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Speaker 6: which I would love to see, right, this problem goes away,

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Speaker 6: regardless of regardless of US helping Israel or not.

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Speaker 1: Number one, many of them already here. Number two. The

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Speaker 1: hold on the Muslim Brotherhood has made it really clear

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Speaker 1: in its memoranda that we don't actually want to focus

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Speaker 1: on bin Loaden types with long.

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Speaker 2: Beards and white robes.

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Speaker 3: On the womb.

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Speaker 1: We want American born kids, wo, dude, and American warn

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Speaker 1: converts to take the vanguard. We mean Islamic lawyers born

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Speaker 1: in America. So unless you have some plan for getting

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Speaker 1: out thirty million Muslims who are legal and US citizens,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you're talking nonsense, guys. I want to

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Speaker 1: announce I have a new book coming out in the fall.

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Speaker 1: I'm very excited about. It's called The Stones Cry Out

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Speaker 1: subtitle Biblical Archaeology, Prophecy and the Last Days. The book

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Speaker 1: outlines the greatest discoveries in Biblical archaeology that affirm the Bible,

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Speaker 1: confirm the presence of the Jews and the Holy Land,

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Speaker 1: and also support the twin foundations of Western civilization, which

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Speaker 1: are Athens and Jerusalem.

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Speaker 2: Stones.

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Speaker 1: Cry Out has rave reviews from archaeologists, from leading pastors,

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Speaker 1: and from prominent commentators of The book, published by Charisma Books,

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Speaker 1: is available now for pre orders on Amazon. So I'm

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Speaker 1: calling on you early birds to order your copies now.

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Speaker 1: You'll be the first to get it when it's out. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm now on substack. It's kind of full circle for me.

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Speaker 1: I started out as a journalist writing articles for National Review,

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Speaker 1: the American Spectator, the Washington Post, lots of places. After

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Speaker 1: my stint in the Reagan Whitehouse, I pivoted to writing books.

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Speaker 2: And that was way back in nineteen ninety one.

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Speaker 1: So I've been mainly known as an author and of

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Speaker 1: course later as a filmmaker. But my first job journalist,

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Speaker 1: and now I'm getting back to that. On substack, you'll

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Speaker 1: get original articles on commentary, groundbreaking investigations, exclusive access to

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Speaker 1: film clips and show clips.

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Speaker 2: And guess what, it's free. So check it out.

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Speaker 1: Go to Denesh DESUSA dot substack dot com. Jonathan Rose

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Speaker 1: was born in London moved to the United States in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. Has had a long career working for

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Speaker 1: companies like Merrill Lynch and Morgan Stanley Prudential Securities. He's

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Speaker 1: currently the co founder and CEO of block Trust IRA

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Speaker 1: also known as block Trust. This is a company that

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Speaker 1: uses the latest cutting edge AI to drive investment strategies

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Speaker 1: for accounts that are in iras or in tax protected iras.

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Speaker 1: And Jonathan, We're going to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: about crypto and bitcoin, but I want to begin at

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Speaker 1: the sort of bitcoin for dummies level by asking you

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Speaker 1: if someone were to say, I, you know, I hear

1006
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Speaker 1: about cryptocurrency and I sometimes hear that bitcoin is is

1007
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Speaker 1: an asset? What is bitcoin? And crypto? Are these assets?

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Speaker 1: Are these currencies? How would you describe the category that

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Speaker 1: we are dealing with here?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a great, great question, you know when you

1011
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 8: took me down memory lane there telling the audience, you

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Speaker 8: know with London Metal exchangeable can standing bill into kind

1013
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Speaker 8: of brings back great memories to me and being in

1014
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Speaker 8: the financial realm. How I kind of answer this question

1015
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Speaker 8: is watching the evolution of everything. I used to work

1016
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Speaker 8: on a trading stock market floor wearing a jacket, people screaming,

1017
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Speaker 8: tickets flying everywhere, and then really the birth of the

1018
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Speaker 8: Internet and communications being sped up and maybe not running

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Speaker 8: across the trading pit floor and communicating online with treaders,

1020
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Speaker 8: and as things became quicker and quicker. This was the

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Speaker 8: advancement of technology, and technology was able to make better

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Speaker 8: decisions quicker, which ultimately led to these companies I worked

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Speaker 8: for to make more money for the bottom line. You know,

1024
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Speaker 8: when I was first introduced to crypto currency, which is

1025
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Speaker 8: really a peer to peer system to change information much faster.

1026
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Speaker 8: As intriguing as it was, I think there was kind

1027
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Speaker 8: of a pushback on technology back then. And when people

1028
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Speaker 8: were telling me that cryptocurrency assets like bitcoin are going

1029
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Speaker 8: to become the future of money and the future of

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Speaker 8: holding an asset class, which I guess you could call

1031
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Speaker 8: it an asset and look at it as real money,

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Speaker 8: I always wanted guilty hands up. I was one of

1033
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Speaker 8: those people, Nah, you absolutely crazy digital money that you

1034
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Speaker 8: can't see, you can't touch, and this is going to

1035
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Speaker 8: be the future and replace different asset classes. So I

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Speaker 8: Dinesh was one of those naysayers. I was one of

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Speaker 8: those naysayers that this is a fad, this isn't going

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Speaker 8: to last. And lo and behold, you know, Hindsight's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 8: I began to listen to a lot of my peers,

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Speaker 8: you know a lot of very wealthy billionaires and people

1041
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Speaker 8: that were running billion dollar books and were telling me

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Speaker 8: and educating me on why assets like bitcoin is the

1043
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Speaker 8: future of money, and it is an asset class, and

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Speaker 8: it is a store value, and it is real money,

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Speaker 8: especially with the limited supply, the twenty one million tokens

1046
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Speaker 8: that can ever be minted. So in twenty and fourteen,

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Speaker 8: I was reintroduced twenty fifteen, reintroduced to bitcoin again. I

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Speaker 8: think it was a round about maybe five thousand dollars

1049
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Speaker 8: a token back then. I bought some, I sold some. Again.

1050
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Speaker 8: I was looking at it and thinking, is it going

1051
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Speaker 8: to have this staying power that everyone keeps telling me

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Speaker 8: it's going to have. I was still not one hundred

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Speaker 8: percent sold. But then when I started watching the institutions

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Speaker 8: begin to buy, because remember there's a big difference between

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Speaker 8: people like you and I on the retail level waking

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Speaker 8: up in the morning drinking their coffee, you know, reading

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Speaker 8: their paper, versus big institutions with billions of dollars in

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Speaker 8: slush fund money, siphoning that money off and start secretly

1059
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Speaker 8: buying it. When I started seeing that, that's when I

1060
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Speaker 8: started really paying attention because I followed the institutional money.

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Speaker 8: And then when I saw that the big, biggestitutions were

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Speaker 8: buying back in and then President Trump was making his

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Speaker 8: pitch per se on his campaign trial to realize that, Hey,

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Speaker 8: I also believe in crypto. I believe in bitcoin. It's

1065
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Speaker 8: going to be the future of money, and we want

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Speaker 8: to make America the US crypto capital of the world.

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Speaker 8: So I think the Trump family believe it as an

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Speaker 8: asset class as money. And with anything that's new, there's

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Speaker 8: always going to be a little bit of skepticism. But

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Speaker 8: that's where I say, you know, people like you, you're

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Speaker 8: champion for information, for knowledge and laying it out in

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Speaker 8: very simple terms, and I'm a big proponent for that

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Speaker 8: for people to kind of pick up these books, speak

1074
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Speaker 8: to people and get an education on why every day

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Speaker 8: when you're up hopefully drinking your coffee, reading the news,

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Speaker 8: you're hearing bitcoin, bitcoin institutions buying clarity acts being passed.

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Speaker 8: You know, President Trump mining bitcoin, you know bitcoin being

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Speaker 8: added to the US Treasury. You know, why do we

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Speaker 8: keep hearing about this word bitcoin every single And it's

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Speaker 8: simply because it's a new asset class that's emerged that

1081
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Speaker 8: will eventually maybe not replace money, but it will be

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Speaker 8: a store of value where funds get siphoned to. Because

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Speaker 8: as we look at the US dollar thirty nine trillion

1084
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Speaker 8: dollars in debt and drowning, the monetary supply is under

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Speaker 8: extreme pressure. Once those cracks deepen and widen, we're going

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Speaker 8: to see more and more money shift into the cryptocurrency landscape,

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Speaker 8: particularly assets like bitcoin, which is considered an asset class

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Speaker 8: in real money. And this is the time we're in

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Speaker 8: this golden age, so to speak of why people need

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Speaker 8: to get a strong understanding and education and find out

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Speaker 8: why they want to add bitcoin to their portfolio right now.

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Speaker 8: So kind of a long winded answer, but it's been

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Speaker 8: an interesting journey for me for the past, you know,

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Speaker 8: twenty years after leaving Wall Street and seeing how bitcoin

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Speaker 8: adoption has come about, and seeing what the future of

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Speaker 8: money looks like. And I think people need to not

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Speaker 8: be like an ostrich and very the head and the said,

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Speaker 8: but really pay attention and start understanding this monetary reset

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Speaker 8: that's going to be upon us shortly, and why it's

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Speaker 8: important to shift some assets into an asset like bitcoin.

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Speaker 1: You know, I know that in previous years some of

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Speaker 1: these big investment houses have been skeptical of bitcoin and crypto,

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Speaker 1: and quite honestly, I think the main reason for it

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Speaker 1: is that they, you know, in a way, they saw

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Speaker 1: that they couldn't make as much money off of this

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Speaker 1: asset class as they could. If you're buying and selling shares,

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Speaker 1: you obviously need their brokers to carry it out.

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Speaker 2: And so but recently I saw.

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Speaker 1: Fidelity has made a big investment in crypto and in bitcoin,

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Speaker 1: and I think you mentioned that there's a tightening up

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Speaker 1: of the regulatory infrastructure. So while the bitcoin world may

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Speaker 1: have looked like the wild West, you know, twenty ten

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Speaker 1: to twenty fifteen, it's now become mainstream. And of course,

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Speaker 1: as we go into an increasingly digital world, isn't it

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Speaker 1: obvious that digital currencies are going to be the way

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Speaker 1: in which transactions take place? Are you talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about block trust, Ira, because it seems to me that,

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Speaker 1: like your company is kind of a marriage of recognizing

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Speaker 1: the power of bitcoin and crypto but marrying it to

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Speaker 1: the technology of artificial intelligence and explain why that can

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Speaker 1: be really helpful to someone who's looking for sort of

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Speaker 1: looking for some smart people to manage their money even

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Speaker 1: while they sleep.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, good question, and I kind of reference what you

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Speaker 8: said that you know where we're now seeing Fidelity purchase bitcoin,

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Speaker 8: we are seeing Morgan Stanley, We're seeing black Rock develop

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Speaker 8: even these ets strategies for bitcoin. And in fact, if

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Speaker 8: you look at these big institutions now, the most profitable

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Speaker 8: asset class, these big institutions like Blackbrook, the most profitable

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Speaker 8: etf is bitcoin. So, like you said, if you can't

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Speaker 8: beat them, then join them, because they now trying to

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Speaker 8: find out ways on how to monetize the cryptocurrency landscape

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Speaker 8: because they've been missing out for many years. But this

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Speaker 8: is where the problem really arises. Because let's say you

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Speaker 8: speak to Fidelity or you're speaking to your neighbor and

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Speaker 8: you're like, Hey, you know, I'm hearing bitcoins a good investments.

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Speaker 8: I want to buy some Where do I go? And

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Speaker 8: you could be buyed online at Fidelity, you could go

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Speaker 8: to Coinbase, you could go to Kraken and then this

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Speaker 8: is where the problem starts, because they're giving you essentially

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Speaker 8: a platform, and the platform fancy word for platform is

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Speaker 8: like you buy yourself DIY, go and figure it out,

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Speaker 8: and you can try and buy some crypto over here.

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Speaker 8: And this is where people are left kind of scratching

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Speaker 8: their head because they're like, well, this is complicated. I

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Speaker 8: don't even understand how to do this. So at block Trust,

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Speaker 8: what we do is we specialize in helping people first

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Speaker 8: and foremost on board safely, securely, even with an IRA

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01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 8: or four one K, because the government lets you do that.

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Speaker 8: You can roll over a retirement account tax and penalty free,

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Speaker 8: and you could buy digital currencies with it, such as bitcoin,

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Speaker 8: the theory of even XRP. We have over sixty different cryptocurrencies.

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Speaker 8: But now this is really the main distinguishing factor between

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Speaker 8: block Trust and everybody else out there. So everybody else

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Speaker 8: out there kind of gives you a cockpit. We give

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Speaker 8: you a pilot, so we are here to talk to

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Speaker 8: you on board. You that you know you're calling a

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Speaker 8: phone number, you're not ending up overseas somewhere. You're actually

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Speaker 8: speaking to someone that has knowledge about the cryptocurrency market

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Speaker 8: that can walk you through a to z on how

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Speaker 8: to purchase this. So so number one, you're not alone.

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Speaker 8: Number two, you know, we take security very seriously, so

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Speaker 8: military greed, encryption, two hundred million dollars worth of insurance

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Speaker 8: when people are buying, So we want to make sure

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Speaker 8: people feel safe and secure. And when you buy a cryptocurrency.

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Speaker 8: The big maybe conundrum that people kind of talk about

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Speaker 8: is the volatility with crypto. Right, we know it's inherently volatile.

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Speaker 8: So all you can do up until we came around

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Speaker 8: was what we call the buy and hold strategy. So

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Speaker 8: buy and hold strategy may work wonders for I don't know,

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Speaker 8: precious metals, which I also own. You know, you buy

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Speaker 8: a piece of silver, you throw it in the safe

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Speaker 8: and you forget about it, buy and hold. But why

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Speaker 8: doesn't that work for cryptocurrency. Well, because it's a market

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Speaker 8: that doesn't sleep. It's a market that doesn't have an

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Speaker 8: opening bell, it doesn't have a closing bell, so it's

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Speaker 8: always on twenty four to seven. So the question then arises,

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Speaker 8: who's watching your portfolio at three am? If there's attack

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Speaker 8: in the Middle East, if there's fiscal policy change in Japan,

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Speaker 8: if there's a currency debasement. So we use very sophisticated AI,

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Speaker 8: which we've had for the past seven years that was

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Speaker 8: voted number one trading strategy by Bitcoin Magazine. And what

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Speaker 8: this AI is doing and it's the good kind at Dineshkase.

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Speaker 8: Sometimes ALI can also have a negative perspective on it,

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Speaker 8: but our AI is crunching data and they say data

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Speaker 8: is the new oil. And when you're looking at a

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Speaker 8: market that doesn't sleep, we have to quantify millions and

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Speaker 8: millions of data points. So we're looking at on chain metrics,

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Speaker 8: who's buying, who's selling, We're looking at investor sentiment, who's talking,

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Speaker 8: who's tweeting about bitcoin? And multiple different languages around the globe.

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Speaker 8: We're looking at priced technical analysis, trading charts, we're looking

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Speaker 8: at macroeconomic data, which is probably the key indicator right now,

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Speaker 8: especially with what's going on within Iran and the oil supply.

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Speaker 8: And we're quantifying these data points and the data is

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Speaker 8: telling us, hey, get out of the market. Volatility is

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Speaker 8: going to hit us. So we move our clients out

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Speaker 8: of the market and they sit in cash. They can

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Speaker 8: access their money anytime, there's no lock up period, and

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Speaker 8: then when the time's right to buy again, we'll get

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Speaker 8: these green signals and then we'll be able to buy

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Speaker 8: back in for our clients. So what doing is we're

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Speaker 8: mitigating that draw down that we see with crypto, the

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Speaker 8: draw down. We've seen it go stray high, but people

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Speaker 8: weren't able to lock in their profits at the right time.

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Speaker 8: So what if there was a way where this volatility

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Speaker 8: is like being at a beach with your family and

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Speaker 8: a lifeguard and he's blowing the whistle. Don't go in

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Speaker 8: the ocean. There's a riptide. Everyone needs to stay out.

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Speaker 8: So we're able to do that. We do this very successfully.

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Speaker 8: Twenty twenty five was a very bad year for bitcoin.

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Speaker 8: If you would have held it from January to December,

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Speaker 8: you would have been down negative six and a half percent.

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Speaker 8: But with our technology, we were up twenty seven percent.

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Speaker 8: So that's something I like to brag about. And how

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Speaker 8: we're able to do that is recognizing times in the

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Speaker 8: market where you need to be buying and selling out

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Speaker 8: buying and selling, and maybe we'll do that three or

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Speaker 8: four times a month, depending on the volatility. So we

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Speaker 8: look at now volatility as our friend. It's not a

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Speaker 8: magic crystal ball in Nasha. We're not right one hundred

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Speaker 8: percent of the time, but we are right more than

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Speaker 8: we are wrong, and then this is how we beat

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Speaker 8: the buy and hold strategy. So a buy and hold

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Speaker 8: strategy may work wonders for many different asset classes out there,

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Speaker 8: such as precious metals, but a buy and hold for

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Speaker 8: an asset class that doesn't sleep because there's no opening

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Speaker 8: bell or closing bell, you want to have a watchdog.

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Speaker 8: You want to have someone watching this twenty four to

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Speaker 8: seven even while you sleep, so you can make the

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Speaker 8: right decisions at the right time from saving you tens

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Speaker 8: of thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of dollars worth of

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Speaker 8: potential gains or losses just by using this very sophisticated

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Speaker 8: AI which I will add one last thing that was

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Speaker 8: only reserved and available for hedge funds, elite institutional investors

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Speaker 8: that were using our technology, and I was able to

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Speaker 8: bring this technology down to the retail level, so people

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Speaker 8: like you and I, just retail investors as well who

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Speaker 8: have iras and four to one ks can take advantage

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Speaker 8: of this. Because people want to invest and they want

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Speaker 8: to invest in crypto, but to not use our type

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Speaker 8: of technology is actually irresponsible. It will be irresponsible not

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Speaker 8: to use this type of technology right now. And people

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Speaker 8: who are looking at crypto they may be on the

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Speaker 8: right track, but they're on the wrong train because now

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Speaker 8: we have these sophisticated tools that are going to mitigate

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Speaker 8: risk and maximize returns. And this is exactly why block

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Speaker 8: trust is probably the fastest growing crypto platform in America today.

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Speaker 1: The company is block trust IRA. I've been talking to

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Rose, the CEO. Jonathan, thank you very much, Thank you, Denesh.

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Speaker 1: We work our entire life sacrificing and saving for a

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Speaker 1: comfortable retirement, to leave a legacy for our children and grandchildren.

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Speaker 1: Right but then you see the reckless spending in Washington,

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Speaker 1: you see the inflation that's eating away at your hard

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Speaker 1: earned savings. It's infuriating. That's why I don't just sit

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Speaker 1: back and watch. I take action to help protect my family.

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Speaker 1: That's why I'm recommending you learn about how gold and

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Speaker 1: silver can help you protect and diversify your savings.

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