1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: Welcome to Everyday Prayers with Million Praying Moms. I'm your host, 3 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: Nicolette Bell, and I'm so glad you have joined us 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 2: for our Friday interview. We have a special guest today, 5 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 2: Jennifer Watson, author and mom. 6 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 3: Jennifer, Welcome to the show. 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,240 Speaker 4: Thank you so much for having me. It's such an honor. 8 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 3: I'm so glad that you're here today. 9 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,599 Speaker 2: Why don't you begin by telling everybody a little bit 10 00:00:36,640 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: about you. Tell us about your kids, about your family, 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 2: and about what you do in your work in ministry. 12 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 4: Yes, so, my girls are my everything. I had trouble 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 4: with infertility and lost two babies. Now I have two 14 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 4: adult babies, two girls, Whitley and Elise, and they are 15 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:00,639 Speaker 4: twenty three and twenty one. And so so I have 16 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 4: such a heart for mothers in the trenches, you know, 17 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 4: with the littles, feeling like you're making a mess of everything. 18 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 4: So motherhood and just reaching out to people who maybe 19 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 4: are waiting on a promise and maybe haven't had the 20 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 4: blessing of motherhood yet better praying for that. So that's 21 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 4: been a huge part of my ministry. So I work 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 4: with nonprofits and I've just been a writer and podcaster 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 4: and do a little bit of everything, but my claim 24 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 4: to fame is being a mama. I love it. That's 25 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: so special. That's so special. 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,639 Speaker 2: I can definitely identify with your story of infertility. Actually 27 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: was doing a little reflection as we're kind of approaching 28 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 2: Mother's Day and was just thinking about all the years 29 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: that that was such a hard day and I was 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: longing to be a mom, and so I was reminding 31 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: myself that even on these hard days of mothering, to 32 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: be thankful and to be grateful, because there's somebody who's 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: longing to be in your shoes. 34 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 4: And I don't want. 35 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: To miss the beauty in the moment, you know, the 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 2: little hardness or uncomfortable that it comes with it, or 37 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 2: the stretching that comes with it. 38 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:14,640 Speaker 4: Yeah. 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, Jennifer, you have written a book that released. 40 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 4: End of last year, right end of last year. 41 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 3: Yes, and it is. 42 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 2: I love the title of your book, So tell us 43 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 2: where the title came from and kind of the inspiration 44 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 2: behind this project. 45 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 4: I think women are so incredibly hard on ourselves and 46 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 4: there's so many times where like we're getting it all wrong, 47 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 4: and so as I was like toying with a book 48 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 4: and just writing it. We could not land on a title, 49 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 4: and they just said, just do a video about your book, 50 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 4: And out of that came I think you're doing better 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 4: than you think. And I just thought, that's what women 52 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 4: need to hear more than ever, is that we're doing 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 4: so much much better than we think. We always highlight 54 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 4: the negative things. So it's finding courage and confidence when 55 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 4: life is messy, and that's a lot of the times 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: when we're mom it's a plot twist, things never go 57 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: as planned. It's always interested and I just looking back to, 58 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 4: you know, twenty year old me raising these babies, you know, 59 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 4: being a stay at home mom and really like that 60 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,240 Speaker 4: was my whole world and feeling like that was my 61 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 4: biggest investment, but still hearing God say, there's something else 62 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 4: that I want you to be doing. And so writing 63 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 4: was that part of exploring my the missing piece of 64 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 4: my calling while I was being in the trenches of motherhood, 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 4: which I love so from this book is just you know, 66 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 4: watching your babies grow up into adults and realizing that 67 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 4: they don't need a perfect mom, they just need you 68 00:03:56,160 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 4: in the gifted presence, even in your messiness. That's that's 69 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 4: such a gift that you give them is to show 70 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: them how to fall and get back up. 71 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that we're not idolizing this idea of perfection 72 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: or whatever. And that might be I'm already seeing that 73 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: in my four year old. As you know, she she'll 74 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 2: do a simple example. Yesterday, she struggles with her eating. 75 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: She's just not a great eater. And so we work 76 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: on that a lot right now, and it can seem 77 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: kind of monotonous, and like, I'm tired of trying with this, 78 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: but you know, we sent something that we know she 79 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 2: likes in her lunch box. And I asked her when 80 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 2: she came home from school, you know, did you eat 81 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: what I. 82 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 4: Sent in your lunch box? And yes, mommy, Yes, ma'am. 83 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 4: I did, yes, mommy. 84 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: And so then I just went along, you know, throughout 85 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: the day or whatever. And last night, after she went 86 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 2: to bed, I was packing her lunch for the for today, 87 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 2: for the following day, and I opened the lunch box 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: and there is this little the the bread that I 89 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: had sent in her in her lunch box, and I went, 90 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 2: oh my gosh, she just wanted to please me. She 91 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: wanted she told me what she thought was going to 92 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: make me happy, right, yea that in that moment, and 93 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: so I just want It's like such a reminder. I 94 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 2: want to be so careful of what I am saying 95 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: to her, how I'm responding when she does things that 96 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: are need correcting and I need to address, but that 97 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: she knows it's okay, Like it's gonna be okay that 98 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: you didn't eat what was in your line. 99 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 1: You don't have to. 100 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: Lie about that, right, But it was this such this 101 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: little innate desire in her. I want to please my mom, 102 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: And so it's just, you know, I was thinking about 103 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: that this morning as I was getting dressed. 104 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 4: I was like, Lord, you know, help me. 105 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: How do I show her like it's okay to make mistakes, 106 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 2: it's okay to fail, It's okay. 107 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 4: When you don't do the right thing. 108 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 2: But how we respond to that is what's important and 109 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: how we move forward in that. 110 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: So that makes me kind of think about what you saying. Yeah, well, 111 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 4: I was just thinking about when Elisee was really little, 112 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 4: and it was around Mother's Day and I was feeling 113 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 4: like a royal failure and she came in with this 114 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 4: little heart, you know, that she had made, and she said, 115 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 4: no one could be gooder than you. You know, it 116 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 4: was like one of these moments where your kid asars 117 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,840 Speaker 4: to you and I was a bald you know, I 118 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 4: want to cry nout, But it was just one of 119 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 4: those things that you know, that's what she saw, not 120 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 4: me being like irritated and all of the other things. 121 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 4: No one could be gooder than me. And I think 122 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 4: that that's what our kids look at us and think, 123 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 4: is like, my mom is like everything and that's such 124 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 4: a precious place to be in. 125 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 2: And you know from you know, now your girls are older, 126 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 2: that can change or feel like it changes in those 127 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: teenage years, right, But a lot of times that comes 128 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: back around for girls and their moms, and that can 129 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 2: feel really challenging to moms that things that are in 130 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 2: that in that spot of when you're your teenager no 131 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: longer says those words. 132 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 3: Do you write those encouraging words? 133 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: Do you fe feel like you're just pouring all of 134 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: yourself out? Now I have not raised teenagers. 135 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: I have been in youth ministry and in family ministry 136 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: for a long time, so I've been around a lot 137 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 2: of teenagers. 138 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 3: But men, you know, that can feel. 139 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 2: Just like a thankless, thankless job as a mom, and 140 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: so holding on to those little nuggets and memories and 141 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 2: just what we know to be true from the Bible 142 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: is how we can assure ourselves in those moments of uncertainty. So, Jennifer, 143 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: you talk a lot about outing your brokenness instead of 144 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: faking perfection. What did that look like in your own life? 145 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: How did you make that transition? 146 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 4: So I was in a very public facy like ministry 147 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: still am, you know, to a big degree, and like 148 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 4: everybody's looking for the standard of motherhood and it's you know, 149 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 4: that's so high and lofty and none of us can 150 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 4: do it. So I just found that I connected more 151 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 4: with women when I was really honest and vulnerable about 152 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 4: my struggles, my missus, my mishaps, missteps, because I feel 153 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 4: like that brings us together. We need a community of 154 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 4: women around us. Or like, however, we connect with people 155 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 4: and they need to know that they're not alone, that 156 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 4: there's no perfect, cookie cutter mold for motherhood. And so 157 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 4: as I shared more, it was like the doors opened 158 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 4: more for me by outing my brokenness and talking about 159 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 4: it honestly, because we cannot confront what we won't just 160 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 4: talk about and release. And so I feel like when 161 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: we say it out loud, that means we have to 162 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 4: address it and deal with it. And when we say 163 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 4: that out loud to a trusted inner circle of godly women, 164 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 4: you have an army that there's shoulder to soldier with 165 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 4: you in those battles to where you can conquer things 166 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 4: better together. So yeah, So that's why I shifted is 167 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,679 Speaker 4: because everybody thought, and you know, would kind of put 168 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 4: me in the hallmark mom category when I wasn't being starky, 169 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 4: and I was just like, no, Like, it's all of it. 170 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: It's the sweet, it's a bessie, it's the irritation, it's 171 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 4: all of it together. But when we look at it 172 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 4: looking back, I was doing so much better than I thought, 173 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 4: And I wish that's what I would say to that 174 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 4: young mom, is like you were doing so good. Keep 175 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: going like struggle for baby, because you've got. 176 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 2: This and we so need that encouragement, you know, with 177 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: I have a four year old and a four month old, 178 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: and so you know, sleep is limited now, which makes 179 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: patience thinner and all of the pieces for that to 180 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 2: I just find myself just relying on the Holy Spirit 181 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: in ways that I haven't had to before, and just 182 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: really in a place of dependency and needing him, but 183 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: also you know, finding those moments very quickly of where. 184 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 4: I can lose my temper with the four year old and. 185 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: Whatever, you know, And so it reminds me the outing 186 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: your your brokenness reminds me of what Paul writes that 187 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: we're going to will boast in our weakness because in 188 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 2: our weakness is where he his strength is shown, right, 189 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 2: is where he is strown. And so in those weak 190 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: place in our lives, if we allow it to, then 191 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: we when we come to God in our neediness and 192 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: say we need you to help us, is how we 193 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: can we can see His strength in our lives. So 194 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: that's such a great, such a great encouragement, because it 195 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: can seem like you can get stuck in these little moments. 196 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 2: It feels like and I love like your perspective as 197 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 2: somebody further down the road than me, of going like 198 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 2: you're never at the end of your motherhood journey, but 199 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: like your girls are grown now and so looking and 200 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: going like there was so much more to that bigger 201 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,199 Speaker 2: picture than that one time I lost my temper. 202 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 4: Or whatever, right, and they don't remember it. There's a 203 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 4: lot of things that they're not going to remember. And 204 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 4: I think that that's why I'm even just writing this book. Specifically, 205 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 4: we rehearse the low light reels and we play those 206 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 4: over and over, and that is just not our story. 207 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: There's so much more to it. And so those moments 208 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 4: where we overcome, if we could just celebrate those more 209 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 4: than we do the times that we mess up, then 210 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: our focus completely shifts into the bigger picture moment of like, 211 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 4: you know, God, I'm here today, use me. Whatever that 212 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 4: looks like. If that's just loving on my kid, you know, like, 213 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: whatever that looks like today, that's going to be enough 214 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 4: for me, because it's more than enough for him. 215 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: So, I know you talk a lot in the book 216 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 2: about struggling with mental health, and I know for a 217 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: lot of women that is a struggle. A lot of 218 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: women experience that postpartum or maybe later on in motherhood 219 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: or due to a traumatic event. And then also many 220 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 2: women are navigating children that are struggling in the same way. 221 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: How do you hope that comes to this conversation about 222 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: mental health helps reframe the conversation for women. 223 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, I really want us to pay better attention to 224 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 4: it and try instead of trying to dismiss it or 225 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 4: downplay it. These things are really intense and it's a struggle. 226 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 4: I went through postpartum depression. Later on in life, I 227 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: still struggled with depression, and so once my girls became older, 228 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 4: it was something that I wanted to have a conversation 229 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 4: with them about because I knew women and hormones and 230 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 4: all the things. You were going to feel anxious at times. 231 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 4: You're going to feel depressed at times. So when we 232 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 4: have those conversations and we let them know, hey, me too, 233 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 4: then when they start to struggle, they'll come to you 234 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 4: and it won't be a place of shame, it'll be 235 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: a place of strength and honor, saying, you know what, 236 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 4: I'm so proud of you for admitting that you're struggling 237 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 4: with that. What can we do together to kick this? 238 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: Because people need to know that they're not alone. We're 239 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 4: all going to struggle, especially in this world in comparison 240 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 4: in the trap, and we kind of want to do more, 241 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 4: try harder, and that's what feeds into anxiety and depression. 242 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 4: The depression tells us we are not enough as mothers, 243 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 4: as women. Anxiety tells us we're not doing enough. And 244 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 4: if you listen to those voices, they're going to be 245 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 4: the boss of you. But when you say, you know 246 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 4: I can do all things through Jesus Christ, who strengthens 247 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 4: me that in my weaknesses, that's where God's going to 248 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: show up in a big way. Those just say, you 249 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,000 Speaker 4: know what, I'm going to shift this focus from me 250 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 4: to Him and what God, what do you want to 251 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: do in this? And through being honest with our struggles, 252 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 4: we give people the permission to do the same, because 253 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 4: the most devastating thing for depression and anxiety and mental 254 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 4: health issues is the silence and to pull yourself back 255 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 4: from community when you need them more now than ever. 256 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 4: So that's that's what the enemy does. He tries to 257 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 4: get us away from those positive voices. So when we 258 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: talk about those open and honestly, we just open the 259 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 4: door for other people to find healing in the same places. 260 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: That's so good and I think you know, normalizing the 261 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: conversation around it is so so important in the church, 262 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: in the realm of Christianity. And I think you know, 263 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: recognizing the need for help when you need it and 264 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: being willing to seek that help and to tell that 265 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: community around you when you think you might need help 266 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 2: or have people in your life that can intervene in 267 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: those moments when it's more than what you can handle. 268 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: I think you know that also can have a certain 269 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 2: conversation around it within the church, and we can feel like, man, 270 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: you know I've heard I've talked about, you know, going 271 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: to therapy before it, and people have been like, well, 272 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: you just must not be praying hard enough or whatever, 273 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 2: and it's like, wait, no, we've gotten this so backwards, right, 274 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 2: And so we want to raise kids that know that 275 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: when these struggles arise, we don't want them to wait 276 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 2: as long as we did to have to get help 277 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: with these things, right because of the narrative that we 278 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: were told, And so having these conversations helps encourage our 279 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 2: children and encourage those around us. 280 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: Hey, you know, Jennifer's struggling with depression. 281 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 2: Like she's a follower of Christ, like she's seeking Him, 282 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: and this is something that she's still struggling with. 283 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: Like, Wow, it. 284 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 2: Doesn't mean I'm not seeking God if I'm struggling with 285 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: these things. 286 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 4: Right, right, Well, we don't get to take the sidelines. 287 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 4: I mean, I've been in the trenches of ministry, dude, 288 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 4: really incredible work, and depressed out of my mind to 289 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 4: where everything felt foggy, especially like after you have a baby, 290 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 4: when you're just like, you know, you just feel like 291 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 4: you're in this tunnel and everything's loud and echoey and 292 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: nothing to really makes sense. But God used me in 293 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 4: those places too, you know, And so that that's important 294 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 4: for us to remember too, is that it's there's like 295 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 4: joy's always gonna come and might not be to borrow boarding, 296 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 4: but it will come. And when you kind of get 297 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: your your smart bag, you appreciate it even more. But 298 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of therapy. I'm a big fan 299 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 4: of outing your brokenness and telling people, especially those are 300 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 4: close to you, saying I'm struggling right now and today, 301 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 4: what I need more than anything is to not show 302 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 4: up and pretend I'm perfect Like that. That's it's the 303 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 4: whole past to be flawed human, you know, females who 304 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 4: who love God but you know, just need help times. 305 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: That's so good, I think, And I want to ask you, 306 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: what are some signs that someone may be doing better 307 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 2: than they think, even if they don't feel like it. 308 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 2: What can we kind of point to as some of 309 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:14,919 Speaker 2: those markers for encouragement. 310 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:20,120 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, I think that women are incredible especially bombs. 311 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,959 Speaker 4: Oh my goodness. I mean, they're powerhouses and they're always giving. 312 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,240 Speaker 4: So when you see someone who like is frayed thin, 313 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 4: but she'll step in and bring a meal to someone 314 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 4: who's just had surgery. So anytime that you see someone 315 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 4: doing something for someone else and you know that they've 316 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 4: got little people running around, you know, in they're homes 317 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 4: and don't have a lot of time or maybe even 318 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 4: the resources, but they give it themselves so freely. The 319 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 4: times that you show up with a cup of coffee 320 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 4: for someone, it's those simple, tiny things that are beautiful 321 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 4: and make a difference. Just being face to face, looking 322 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 4: someone in the eye, putting your phones down and just 323 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 4: saying what do you need today? Just seeing someone in 324 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 4: their struggle and saying I see you, and how can 325 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: I love you through that? I'm going to be in 326 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 4: this with you. So I feel like there's so many 327 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 4: things that women do, especially as mothers, so well, and 328 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 4: they don't even realize how selfless and how holy that is. 329 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 4: Even in the struggles the tension of maybe marriage or 330 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 4: home life or work life, or they're trying to balance 331 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 4: it all, they're still giving, sometimes out of a place 332 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 4: of lack you know, and they give out of a 333 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 4: place of abundance when they have it. And so just 334 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 4: noticing women and saying well done, I see you, or 335 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 4: like maybe you need to rest, you know, say like 336 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 4: what can I do to like serve you today? I 337 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 4: see you doing everything for someone else. What is one 338 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 4: way that I can love you well today? What do 339 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 4: you need? And then doing that, Yeah, that's really sweet. 340 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,320 Speaker 2: Actually on the phone with a friend of mine yesterday, 341 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 2: she kind of called me out of the blue and 342 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: we were talking back and forth about a couple of things, 343 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 2: and I mentioned my baby said that four month sleep 344 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 2: regression and we were sleeping eight hours and then now 345 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 2: we're up every hour and it has just been a 346 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 2: an adjustment to our house and sleep is everything right, 347 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,000 Speaker 2: so when it is affected, I feel like it affects 348 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 2: everything about you. And and so I was just kind 349 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: of sharing that with her and just briefly in a 350 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: quick conversation, and she said, I mean, can I bring 351 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: you dinner tonight? 352 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: And I was like, that is so kind. 353 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 2: I actually, by some miracle, like we have leftovers to 354 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: eat tonight, so we are good for tonight. 355 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 3: So thank you, But you know, how how kind was 356 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 3: that offer? 357 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: And like, I know she meant it like she would 358 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: actually have dropped what she was doing to bring me dinner. 359 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: And that's just so kind and so that was so 360 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: loving to me, even though she didn't actually bring it, 361 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 2: even just the thought of it with so loving and 362 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 2: caring to me. 363 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 4: And that's a good example of kind of what you 364 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 4: were talking about. 365 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,400 Speaker 2: So, Jennifer, one more thing I want to ask you, 366 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 2: because we wrap this up, I know, for women who 367 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: are in the trenches like you're talking about, and in 368 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 2: the seasons of motherhood, whether it's toddlerhood or teenagers navigating teenagers, 369 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 2: whatever that might look like, how did you connect with 370 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,400 Speaker 2: God in those moments? Because God's voice is the one 371 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 2: that tells us we're doing better than you think and 372 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: reminds us of that in those hard moments, and it 373 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: can feel hard to find those connecting points with God 374 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 2: and loud seasons of our life. How did you keep 375 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 2: showing up and connecting with Him? What tips do you 376 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 2: have for moms? 377 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 4: So what I realized is when I was struggling the 378 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 4: most that sometimes those one worded prayers like He hears 379 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,880 Speaker 4: them just like they're log with all of these words. 380 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: If it's like help, helping Jesus, you know, one sentence 381 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 4: like God being near. It doesn't have to be elborate, 382 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 4: but just having Him in the back of your mind, 383 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,120 Speaker 4: taking those moments where there's through praise and worship, where 384 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 4: you're listening all the way, you feed your kids Chick 385 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 4: fil A in the back, and you just have a 386 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 4: moment with the Lord. It doesn't have to be this 387 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 4: long span of time. It doesn't have to be at 388 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 4: a certain time. Just you can connect and you'll know 389 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 4: what it is. Sometimes it's around that time. For me, 390 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,919 Speaker 4: it's we're in bed and everybody was asleep and the 391 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,359 Speaker 4: house was quiet, and then that was my time to 392 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:34,120 Speaker 4: just connect with the Lord. But just to know that 393 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 4: like he gets our heart and he sees you. Even 394 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 4: if you don't you're not doing the devotional and all 395 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: the checklists that we want to do as like tired 396 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 4: busy moms that meditating on one scripture and thinking about 397 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 4: that throughout the day, Like those connection points. It might 398 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,639 Speaker 4: seem small and significant, but he sees it and it's 399 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 4: a big deal to him. So anything that we do 400 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,679 Speaker 4: obedience to him, just to connect and say Lord, you 401 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 4: know I'm here. I feel kind of scattered, but can 402 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 4: you meet me in this place? 403 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: That is enough. 404 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 4: It's enough, it's good, that's really good. 405 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 3: You know. 406 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 2: I think sometimes in my own life, if I don't 407 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 2: get an end in the morning, like I know, for 408 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: in my own life, it is best for me to 409 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: meet with the Lord in the morning. 410 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 4: Like I've just figured it out over the years, right, 411 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 4: Like I. 412 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 2: It's it's I come with that neediness first thing in 413 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: the morning. 414 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: I need it. 415 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 4: I need him. 416 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: And sometimes when I don't get that, then I'm like, oh, 417 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: I missed it for today, you know, And it's like wait, no, 418 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: like he's here all day long, Like can I find 419 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 2: you know, three minutes here, five minutes here to pray, 420 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: to connect to remember versus scripture? You know, I have 421 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 2: scripture written kind of in different places in my home. 422 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: Can I just stop and actually see it and read 423 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 2: it out loud to myself or whatever that might look like. 424 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 2: And that's a shift that I need to be making 425 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 2: in my own life. It's like, Okay, if I missed 426 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 2: this morning time, like yeah, that's okay, you know, but 427 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 2: still try to connect with the Lord throughout the day. 428 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I feel like we get we get due 429 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 4: overs throughout the day to be like, all right, I 430 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: would check in and miss the first session, you know, right, right, 431 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 4: wait right. 432 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 2: I have a friend and who has a complex child, 433 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: a child that has a lot of delays due to 434 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: a complex heart condition that he was born with, and 435 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 2: he's her third child, and so she was telling me 436 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 2: the other day she's been listening to the Everyday Prayers 437 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: podcast in the morning because she can't do her devotion 438 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 2: in the morning the way that she used to. She 439 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: has to do his feeding tube, there's all these things 440 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 2: that she has to do before and she's got to 441 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 2: get her other kids ready for school, and she just 442 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: was missing it because she wasn't it wasn't looking like 443 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 2: the way she wanted it to. And so she started 444 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 2: just listening to our podcast in the morning as her 445 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: devotion and then she's doing more of her like devotional 446 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: quiet time in that evening. And it's kind of made 447 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 2: that adjustment. And she was just kind of sharing with 448 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 2: me what an encouragement. 449 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 3: It's been to her. 450 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 2: And just to have that the scripture Prey playing in 451 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 2: the background and a prayer to pray over her kids 452 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 2: as she starts today. So that might be something that 453 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 2: you know, people could try on Fridays we do these interviews, 454 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,439 Speaker 2: but Monday through Thursday, we are providing scripture with a 455 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: little bit of a devotional thought and a prayer, a 456 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: scripture inspired prayer for your kids every day. So that's 457 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 2: a great way to kind of connect as well of that. Yeah, well, Jennifer, 458 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us today and for 459 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,719 Speaker 2: all of the encouragement you have given us. I wonder 460 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: if you first I want you to tell us where 461 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: we find you, where we find your book, how do 462 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: we connect with you, because I know everybody's going to 463 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 2: want to grab a copy. And then finally, would you 464 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 2: do me an honor of praying over our listeners as 465 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 2: we close. 466 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,439 Speaker 4: Out our episode. Absolutely so, you can find me at 467 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 4: Jennifer Renee Watson dot com. I also have a podcast 468 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 4: it's called More Than Small Talk where we just kind 469 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 4: of go deep in that launches every Thursday. And then 470 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,879 Speaker 4: you can find my book where you get your books. 471 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 4: A lot of people like to hang out on Amazon, 472 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 4: but you can get it anywhere, Brons and Noble, and 473 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 4: it's what if you're doing better then you think finding 474 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:15,879 Speaker 4: It's also in. 475 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 2: Our Mom's Shop for on million PRAI Moms dot com 476 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,359 Speaker 2: slash shop it's there as well. 477 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 4: Perfect. I love that so much, And I would love 478 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 4: to just pray over your listeners and these sweet mamas. Yes, 479 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 4: thank you, Lord, thank you so much for the heart 480 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 4: of women. You have raised them up to be mighty 481 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 4: women of you. Got to pray that they would fill 482 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 4: your presence even in the chaos, even in the messiness. 483 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 4: Got to pray that you would whisper over them when 484 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 4: they start to discount what they're doing or maybe being 485 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 4: too hard on themselves, remind them they are doing so 486 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 4: much better than they think, that they are fearfully and 487 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 4: wonderfully made, and that you have a specific plan for them, 488 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 4: and that they can trust you with it. That what 489 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 4: they bring to the table is exactly what you need 490 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 4: from them. And they are your prize possession. 491 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: They are they're your heart. 492 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 4: God, you love them so much. So God, I just 493 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 4: pray that you'd speak to the frazzle mombs, to the 494 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 4: tired moms, to the mombs just you know, feeling like 495 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 4: they're hanging on by a thread, and remind them that 496 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 4: this is fleeting and you are with them even in 497 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 4: the messy places. And your precious name, I pray Amen. 498 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jennifer. Thank you everyone for tuning in, 499 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 2: and we will see. 500 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 4: You back on Monday. 501 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 2: May is the month to celebrate moms, and we've updated 502 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: our mom shop just in time with some of our 503 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 2: favorite resources. Be sure to check out our updated shop 504 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: at Million Praying Moms dot com, forward slash shop, or 505 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 2: click shop from our homepage. 506 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,239 Speaker 3: Until next time, friends, the Lord bless you and keep you. 507 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 2: Make his face shine upon you and be gracious to you. 508 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 3: May the Lord look with favor on you and give 509 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: you peace.