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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. Welcome back on here. I'm Hugh Hewett.

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Speaker 1: Josh Holmes, one of the fellas from the Ruthless podcast,

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Speaker 1: joins me. Follow Josh on x at Holmes Josh follow

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Speaker 1: the Ruthless podcast or podcasts or are If you wish

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Speaker 1: to appine on anything the fellas have to say, you

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Speaker 1: must like and subscribe. Mister Holmes, I just came in

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Speaker 1: smoking hot after an eleven minute monologue on anti Semitism.

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Speaker 1: So sorry about that. I want to switch up on

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Speaker 1: your own.

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Speaker 2: Oh I want it. I will tell me. I'm glad

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Speaker 2: to do it.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the Republicans have done enough on anti Semitism?

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Speaker 1: Because I don't know that we have.

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Speaker 3: I do not, Hugh, I do not, and I do

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Speaker 3: not see this as a political debate.

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Speaker 2: We cover this on the show today.

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Speaker 3: This is not a political debate when You've got a

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Speaker 3: group of people over the last forty years who want

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Speaker 3: to eliminate an entire existence, in this case, the Jewish

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Speaker 3: people in the Jewish State. We know how history has

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Speaker 3: dealt with this sort of thing. You cannot turn a

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Speaker 3: blind eye to it. You just simply can't. It's not

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Speaker 3: a political debate. There is no Michigan problem for Democrat.

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Speaker 3: For Democrats, this is a domestic terror situation. This is

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Speaker 3: an international terroristic situation. You've got to address it with

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Speaker 1: And I hope DOJ does. After the Bondayed Beach thing,

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Speaker 1: I just said, what in the world has gone on here?

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Speaker 1: This is going to get worse. It's going to happen

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Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. It's going to happen in New York.

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Speaker 1: It took two guys and they can't even get guns

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Speaker 1: in Australia. Australia can't get guns, and so can you

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Speaker 1: imagine what happens when they decide to start popping off

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Speaker 1: here in the United States at Jews.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we know, we know. I mean this

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Speaker 3: Look, my lifetime is marked by demarcations of attacks to

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Speaker 3: try to eliminate either the Jewish people or Western civilization.

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Speaker 3: Time and time again, it wasn't until post nine to

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Speaker 3: And you know, like, let's let the twenty years of

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Speaker 3: the war on terror set that aside for a moment.

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Speaker 3: The point is, these people want to kill us, and

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Speaker 3: there isn't That's not a political debate, that's an objective fact.

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Speaker 1: And I am hoping Republicans stand up and say, we

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Speaker 1: want the assault law, we want the FBI in there,

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Speaker 1: we want thej in there. But now I got to

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Speaker 1: go to politics, Josh, I'll go listen today's podcast. The

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Speaker 1: Republicans are tying they got dragged onto the dance floor

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Speaker 1: by the Democrats into healthcare. They didn't want to do

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Speaker 1: this dance. They didn't create Obamacare. Obamacare is the other

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Speaker 1: team's complete cataclysmic failure, and they're getting dragged in. What

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Speaker 1: would your advice be to Republican would be to leave

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Well, you certainly don't want to

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Speaker 3: payer healthcare system. They look at a place like the

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Speaker 2: They see that as a virtue.

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Speaker 3: on how they deal with and so they prefer to

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Speaker 3: ruin our healthcare system, and that's what they have attempted

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Speaker 3: to do with Obamacare. But the idea, first of all,

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Speaker 3: this whole issue arose of rising premiums, rising premiums that

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Speaker 3: Republicans have a different set of ideas on all that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can see the space entirely, but

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Speaker 2: I mean, there's no sense in just ignoring it.

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Speaker 1: Now. You've been in the Hill, and I think you're

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Speaker 1: Bill Man. Remember he said, go ahead, go for whatever

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Speaker 1: It's a nightmare. I think the Republicans ought to come

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Speaker 1: I'm a dummy. I don't know how hard reconciliation as

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Speaker 1: you actually know it can. It be done.

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Speaker 2: Well, it can be done hypothetically. And there's an awful

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Speaker 3: They're talking about that could be attempted here, and I

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Speaker 3: Big Beauty is a no brainer from a Republican standpoint,

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Speaker 3: to make a beautiful bill that they've passed last July.

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Speaker 3: That is something that left to right across the spectrum

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Speaker 2: And that was tough. That was hard to do.

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Speaker 3: We've had more difficult political environment since then. We have

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Speaker 3: I think they ought to try to do something, and

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Speaker 3: I think that the President actually has a unique opportunity here, Hugh,

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Speaker 3: maybe another shutdown discussion or something. But it's certainly not

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Speaker 3: a midterm where the American people can see, is there

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Speaker 3: a party that's fighting to try to lower your premiums

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Speaker 3: I think Republicans would be comfortable with that. They can

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about it? I mean, right now,

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Speaker 1: when it locks in? You're the pros. Does it lock

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, historically speaking, where consumer comp evidence and your

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Speaker 2: And that opportunity is all in front of us. There's

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Speaker 3: I think Republicans in the president the United States really

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Speaker 1: It's a narrative war. This is why I love Rootless.

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Speaker 1: I want every youngster out there. You guys are setting

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Speaker 1: the narratives. But it is a narrative war. Our legacy

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just just consider for a second that

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Speaker 3: which Democratic leaders say, what is Trump doing about this?

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Speaker 3: You built the thing, supercuse over the objections of every

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Speaker 1: That's what they do at Ruthless. That's why it's got

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Speaker 1: to be on your podcast list. Send it spent, get

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Speaker 1: the new here at job. Welcome back, America, I'm here

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Speaker 1: you att joined by David M. Drucker of The Dispatch.

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Speaker 1: Hello David, how are you great? Hugh?

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Speaker 4: How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm hot. I started this show very hot because

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Speaker 1: Do you think that Americans are serious about anti Semitism.

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Speaker 1: Do they have any idea to escape the scope and

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Speaker 4: I don't know, because some do, but some don't. And

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Speaker 4: this is now both a right and left problem. This

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Speaker 4: for a minute about whether or not anti Semitism is

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Speaker 4: you follow the news a lot, because you know, in

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Speaker 4: my lifetime, right I'm fifty four and I am Jewish.

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Speaker 4: You know, for most of my lifetime, you didn't really

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Speaker 1: Anti semitism in the United States.

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Speaker 4: You didn't have to deal with it. Really, this is

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Speaker 4: a problem that definitely needs to be confronted and addressed yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I divided time into pre nine to eleven and

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Speaker 5: she has great standing in the President's eyes no matter.

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Speaker 6: What she says.

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Speaker 5: I think he believes that she is the one that

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Speaker 5: I would do it, though.

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Speaker 1: I think she's superwoman. I hope she's not going anywhere.

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Speaker 1: But no one walks away from those things the way

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Speaker 1: And I just am always amazed. Tim Alberta's got a skill,

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Speaker 1: John Bayner got away with it once with a Tim

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Speaker 5: Mega shorts, don't go for fifteen interviews, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my view is runaway. Brett Behar will be watching

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Speaker 1: my friend. Brett bear Tonight's special report every night Monday

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Speaker 1: David Sachs, President Trump's Czar of AI. Right ahead here

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Speaker 1: on the Hugh Hewitt Check Quarterback America. I'm Hugh HEWITTT.

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Speaker 1: Byron new York is the chief correspondent for the Washington

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Speaker 1: Examiner and a weekly guest. Byron, how are you today? Cold?

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Speaker 1: I assume cold.

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Speaker 6: You're exactly right, but do it well? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, you meet both I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about three things. The Bondai Beach masker, the Brown University shooting,

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Speaker 1: and last night's New York subway assault on two habodic

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Speaker 1: Bodniks people from about who are put upon by anti

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Speaker 1: semits in the subway. Do they tie together in your mind?

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Speaker 6: Well, no, I'll be interested to hear. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 6: the Bandai Beach thing is clearly the authorities there actually

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Speaker 6: knew that these shooters had connections to ices. They may

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Speaker 6: have known that they went off and trained for a

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Speaker 6: month beforehand, and even after that happens, even after, even

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Speaker 6: after the murders take place, the authorities talk about gun

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Speaker 6: control as if they couldn't have found these people and

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Speaker 6: and gotten rid of them.

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Speaker 1: Now, Byron, I'm I'm larry about what I read. I've

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Speaker 1: read there were only two policemen at the Hanika celebration.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen that?

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Speaker 6: Well, I have. I have seen that, and it's it's

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Speaker 6: it's hard actually to believe. I've seen about you know,

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Speaker 6: the lack of training and all of that of these

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Speaker 6: But I am not clear enough myself on exactly what

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Speaker 6: how long it took them from the first shot that

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Speaker 6: was fired, how long it took them to respond me.

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Speaker 1: Second subject I don't know is the Brown University massacre.

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Speaker 1: I asked Brett Barrett earlier. He said there are reports,

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Speaker 1: I'm confirmed, but reports that the words that were shouted

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Speaker 1: were alaa akbar. Have you read those reports as well?

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Speaker 1: I have.

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Speaker 6: I have the story right now, though, I have to

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Speaker 6: say with Brown is just about the authorities. And I mean,

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Speaker 6: this is a mask killer who goes in with a

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Speaker 6: long gun and shoots a bunch of people and gets away.

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Speaker 6: In addition, in a community that is apparently just jammed

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Speaker 6: with surveillance cameras in which he's alreadys can't produce any

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Speaker 6: really useful information. I think I think people have a

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Speaker 6: right to be really nervous Byron.

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Speaker 1: You know, in thirty five years in this business, and

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Speaker 1: But I've been known for no mass killer has ever

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Speaker 1: evaded a rest for forty eight hours. It's never happened.

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Speaker 1: So this is a first time ever collapse of police incompetence.

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Speaker 1: And they won't tell us what he shouted. Why do

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Speaker 1: you think they won't tell us what he shouted.

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Speaker 6: Well, we don't know who he is, and we don't

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Speaker 6: know you know, we don't know anything about this. And

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Speaker 6: a long a killer who takes a long gun to

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Speaker 6: a mass shooting is probably not planning to get away. Yes,

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Speaker 6: and a lot of these are suicide missions with the

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Speaker 6: that that had happened, but it didn't, so it's really extraordinary.

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Speaker 1: The third event is last night. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you've seen the video of the New York subway where

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Speaker 1: two members of the local Habad were assaulted and they

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Speaker 1: were battered. Assault is the imminent, unlawful permitted of touch,

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Speaker 1: unpermitted touching and battery at the actual grabbing of someone.

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Speaker 1: They managed to get off the subway without getting be

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Speaker 1: not but it was clearly antisemitic, and there was antisemitic talk.

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Speaker 1: So my question is, are we expecting an explosion of

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Speaker 1: anti Semitism even bigger than what we've been through since

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Speaker 1: ten seven in the United States? I mean, you can't

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Speaker 1: match ten seven in Israel. But do you think we

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Speaker 1: have a Bondai beach coming here?

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Speaker 6: Well, you clearly, you clearly have to worry about such

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Speaker 6: a thing. In part in part. You know, when you

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Speaker 6: involve our immigration policies of letting in people without enough

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Speaker 6: betting from countries in which there's a lot of hatred

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Speaker 6: of views. There's the support for terrorism that and now

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Speaker 6: you have that in the United States and the elites.

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Speaker 1: I got a letter from Harvard yesterday went to everyone

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Speaker 1: I'm not special, announcing they're very pleased to extend Neil

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Speaker 1: Garber's presidency and that he remained down four paragraphs down,

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Speaker 1: he remains committed to finding anti semitism and anti Arab discrimination.

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Speaker 1: There is no anti Arab discrimination at Harvard Byron, there isn't.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you about Harvard. Have they changed?

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Speaker 6: Well, they're certainly not interested in finding out evidence of

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Speaker 6: anti Semitism in their community. And the idea of equating

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Speaker 1: It's ludicrous.

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Speaker 6: It's ludicrous, confuse, confuse people, and muddle up the whole situation.

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Speaker 1: And that is the problem. And I think, what do

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Speaker 1: you expect the president to talk about tomorrow night? I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's announcing the invasion of Venezuela. If it is,

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Speaker 1: it's the least surprise invasion ever, although George HW. Bush

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Speaker 1: ordered the trips in on December fifteenth, nineteen eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: But what do you think he's going to talk about.

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Speaker 6: I think you're going to talk about what a great

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Speaker 6: job is administration has done on everything and prices, inflation,

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Speaker 6: affordability and sort of a year end progress report.

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Speaker 1: Good move, not a bad move.

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Speaker 6: I don't don't know how much effect it will have,

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Speaker 6: but I do I do think. You know, when he

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Speaker 6: plus plus plus, I think it was five pluses. Uh,

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Speaker 6: that's something that a lot of people, you know, don't accept.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 6: They're not feeling it as opposed to just saying, look,

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Speaker 6: the rate of inflation is going down, but we know

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Speaker 6: that means prices are still going up, and that's not

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Speaker 6: good enough. And what we have to do is we

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Speaker 6: have to bring your wages up to where they are

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Speaker 6: outstripping a low level of inflation.

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Speaker 1: YEP. It depends entirely on what he says, and he

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Speaker 1: hasn't got the Bill Clinton, I feel your pain down

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Speaker 1: and he never will, but he's pretty good with everything

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Speaker 1: is great. Yeah, that's bad. That's not so good. Byron,

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Speaker 1: New York. Talk to you again next week if we're lucky.

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Speaker 1: Follow him on x at Byron York. Follow me in

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Speaker 1: the next segment of America on The Hugh Hewit Show.

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Speaker 1: According Laura and Edan Graces in America, I'm Hugh Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to this chief day edition of the u Hewit Show.

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Speaker 1: A couple of weeks back in the green room over

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Speaker 1: at Fox, I met a young Congressman, Riley Moore from

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Speaker 1: West Virginia, the second district, or at least he seems

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Speaker 1: young to me. He's not that young, and we got

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Speaker 1: to talk at it. He's on approps. I would like

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Speaker 1: to talk to freshman on appropriations because that's a big deal.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know what happened, but Wan Sin's come on,

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Speaker 1: he got the magic one waved over him four years

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Speaker 1: ago and became a freshman on approaches and I talked

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Speaker 1: to Wan off, and so I wanted to talk to

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Speaker 1: Riley more day. Congressman. Welcome, Merry Christmas to you. How

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Speaker 1: you enjoyed DC in your first wrap up session?

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Speaker 7: Well, Merry Christmas to you. As well, Hugh.

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Speaker 8: And you know, it's a little bit of a rough

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Speaker 8: ride here today. Looks like a rules about to go

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Speaker 8: down as we're speaking, So it's gonna be hard to

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Speaker 8: move that healthcare.

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Speaker 7: Package forward that leadership has.

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Speaker 8: So but all in all i'd say is, in terms

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Speaker 8: of appropriations, I feel super optimi. I think we're going

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Speaker 8: to get, if not all of them, most of the

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Speaker 8: appropriations bills done, which is a feat in itself in

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Speaker 8: terms of re establishing regular order in this institution.

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Speaker 7: So happy about that.

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Speaker 1: I am very happy that the National Defense Authorization Act

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Speaker 1: looks like it's going to make its way through. And

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Speaker 1: I know over on the other side, Senator Collins's share

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Speaker 1: of appropriations, and I'm just curious, were you happy when

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Speaker 1: they gave you the big committee? I only thought Approach

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Speaker 1: was the most important committee. Although I know people like

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Speaker 1: to say there are three Democrats, Republican and appropriators. Do

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Speaker 1: you like being on appropriations?

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Speaker 8: I love being on appropriations, And you know, from my

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Speaker 8: state of West Virginia, we have a long.

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Speaker 7: History of appropriators here.

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Speaker 8: Certainly, I'm sure, as you know as a student of

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Speaker 8: this institution. So yeah, I mean, for me, that was

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Speaker 8: the only committee that I was angling for.

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Speaker 7: I wanted appropriations and.

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Speaker 8: Was blessed enough to get the High sign to serve

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Speaker 8: on that committee.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm just thrilled to be able to be

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Speaker 7: on there now.

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Speaker 1: Ken the audience expect that there will be any kind

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Speaker 1: of a shutdown in January if you've got regular order

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Speaker 1: for all but one or two of the bills. If

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Speaker 1: there's a shutdown, it won't be for much of the government, right.

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Speaker 7: No, won And remember we've already passed.

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Speaker 8: Three bills, so you'd already just being a partial shutdown there.

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Speaker 8: I don't see any resistance at all as it relates

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Speaker 8: to getting defense done.

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Speaker 7: And when you do defense, you always.

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Speaker 8: Couple labor h labor HHS with that bill as well,

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Speaker 8: So I think we're clear there. But I think what

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Speaker 8: you're going to see next is a three pack of

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Speaker 8: appropriations bills coming back over from the Senate that be

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Speaker 8: Energy and Water, Interior, and Commerce, Justice, Science, and then

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Speaker 8: I think towards the end of this cr you'll see

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Speaker 8: defense and labor hhs get passed. But I think you're

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Speaker 8: going to have upwards of eighty five percent of the

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Speaker 8: discretionary budget passed. I think I wouldn't say easily, but

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Speaker 8: feeling confident about getting that done, and then right you'd

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Speaker 8: end up cring maybe two of the bill's Homeland Security.

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Speaker 8: You got to think, look, we got Homeland Security one

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Speaker 8: hundred and seventy five billion dollars in reconciliation. Maybe perhaps

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Speaker 8: the juice isn't worth the squeeze on conferencing that bill

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Speaker 8: since we were able to get them fund through reconciliation

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Speaker 8: of the one.

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Speaker 7: Big beautiful bill.

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Speaker 8: But I'm hopeful we get all twelve done, I am,

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Speaker 8: and that we are working towards that. The speakers talked

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Speaker 8: about that, Chairman Tom Cole has talked about that, and

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Speaker 8: so Susan Collins. So I am very optimistic and hopeful

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Speaker 8: that we are able to actually at all twelve of

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Speaker 8: these bills done, which would be just marvelous.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't want to conflate your Christmas spirit, Congressman more,

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Speaker 1: but I've been doing this show for twenty five years,

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Speaker 1: and you may be peaking in your freshman year. In

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Speaker 1: terms of regular order, it doesn't normally go this smoothly,

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Speaker 1: but so you might want to write down what it

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Speaker 1: feels like to actually get it done before I come

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Speaker 1: back to the Republican Healthcare Bill. I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about something I talk with Governor Morrissey about.

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Speaker 1: You know, the FEDS are trying to move the FBI

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Speaker 1: across the street to the Reagan Building because the old

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Speaker 1: Hoover Building is the ugliest building in town. I talked

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Speaker 1: to your aunt about this, and she said, no, we

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Speaker 1: think I ought to go on that bill. And I

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Speaker 1: talked to your governor, Governor Morrissey, and I said, why

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Speaker 1: don't you send it out and give it a campus

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Speaker 1: where you're from? Harper's Crossing? What do we call that,

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Speaker 1: Harper's Ford, Harpers Ferry. Why don't we give Why don't

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Speaker 1: we give it a campus in West Virginia? What do

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Speaker 1: you think about that? It seemed like a crazy thing

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Speaker 1: to move it across the street.

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Speaker 7: Now I'm totally into that. And see, here's the thing.

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Speaker 8: Why does the FBI headquarters have to be in Washington,

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Speaker 8: d C.

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 7: It actually doesn't.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know you have the number two headquarters

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Speaker 8: of it is in Alabama, right, But the actual headquarters

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Speaker 8: of the FBI.

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Speaker 7: It doesn't need to be there.

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Speaker 8: And I think the more government entities we get out

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Speaker 8: of here act into real America, I think the better

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Speaker 8: off we're all going to be, So I'm definitely for that.

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Speaker 8: If somehow somebody could do that, I'll vote for it

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Speaker 8: every day of the week, if that's possible. To move

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Speaker 8: the FBI headquarters to West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Now, I have a manager over at Salem who drives

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Speaker 1: in every day from Harper's Ferry every single day. It's

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Speaker 1: not a bad community. Do you do that or do

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Speaker 1: you stay in town overnight?

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Speaker 8: Well, it just depends what's going on here. So tonight

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Speaker 8: I will go home. I want to see my kids.

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Speaker 8: I got three kids, seven, five, and three, and I'm

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Speaker 8: trying to balance doing this job and being a father

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Speaker 8: and a husband. So I go back as much as

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Speaker 8: I can now once we're in markup season. As it

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Speaker 8: relates to appropriations, I you know, many nights I stay here,

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Speaker 8: and I stayed here last night, So it just kind

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Speaker 8: of depends on the schedule and what's going on. Still

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Speaker 8: doing my job, but then also being able to see

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Speaker 8: my family in the evening as well or in the morning.

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Speaker 7: When I get up very early. To come back down here.

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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense to me. All of

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Speaker 1: my friends for the ten i've been back for ten years,

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Speaker 1: but for the thirty years I lived in California and

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Speaker 1: they would fly back and forth. That was really a

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Speaker 1: nightmare for a congressman on the West coast. Here's where

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Speaker 1: I want to finish. I don't think we're going to

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Speaker 1: get anything down on healthcare. I don't know if you'll

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Speaker 1: get anting out of the House. Maybe it will, it's

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Speaker 1: not going to get out of the Senate. I don't

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Speaker 1: know why we're going through all these shenanigans, and I

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Speaker 1: want to see the actual price hikes that will impact

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Speaker 1: the twenty percent of Americans that are in the state

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Speaker 1: exchanges before we decide on what to do. Why are

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Speaker 1: Democrats in such a scream and hurry to get past

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Speaker 1: the artificial deadline that they built into the law. Did

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Speaker 1: anyone explain it to you, why we must get something

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Speaker 1: done right now?

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Speaker 8: Well, they're using this artificial deadline to bludge in the

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Speaker 8: Republican Party with misinformation about this and the unfortunate thing

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Speaker 8: they've been able to intertwine the idea of extending the

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Speaker 8: COVID era subsidies for Obamacare with everybody's premiums go up.

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Speaker 7: That's not correct at all.

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Speaker 8: We could tomorrow vote to extend these covid Ara subsidies,

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Speaker 8: and that's not going to affect everybody else's premiums at all.

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Speaker 8: If they're going up, they're going.

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Speaker 7: To go up.

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Speaker 8: So the people need to disentangle those ideas from each other.

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Speaker 8: What we're trying to do, in a more holistic sense

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Speaker 8: is lower everybody's premiums in this country. Why are we

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Speaker 8: focused on the one point six million people that would

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Speaker 8: be affected by the covid air of subsidies being extended.

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Speaker 8: How about everybody's healthcare is getting more expensive. It's harder

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Speaker 8: out here for everybody, and we have to handle this

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Speaker 8: in a manner that's fair to everybody. Else creates more,

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Speaker 8: creates more affordability, but also portability for people to be

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Speaker 8: able to choose.

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Speaker 7: What healthcare plans are best for them.

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Speaker 1: I think that'll let you do some of the messaging.

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Speaker 1: Riley More, Congressman Rilly More, freshman from West Virginia second District,

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Speaker 1: thank you, Merry Christmas, to safe driving home tonight, if

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Speaker 1: it's indeed tonight or tomorrow.

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Speaker 7: Thanks so much you God bless you, Merry Christmas, and.

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Speaker 1: To you welcome back in America. I'm Hugh HEWITTT, so

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Speaker 1: please to welcome back to the program, David Sachs. David

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Speaker 1: is the chair of the President's Council of Advisors on

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Speaker 1: Science and Technology. He's the AI and cryptos are. He's

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Speaker 1: actually a doublesar, which is really something I haven't heard

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Speaker 1: of before. There's ours all over DC. But he said,

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Speaker 1: doubles are David, Are you the only doubles are you

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Speaker 1: know of? As far as I know, yes, I guess

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Speaker 1: that's right to you. Good to see you again. It's

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Speaker 1: good to see you again, and thank you for spending

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Speaker 1: time with me. I want to remind people before we start,

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Speaker 1: David went to Stanford. He's a Chicago lawyer, so he

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Speaker 1: knows what he's talking about on the law. He's one

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Speaker 1: of the original pay Pal Mafia. He's been on the

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Speaker 1: show before, he's on the All In podcast, so it's

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Speaker 1: a smart guy Alert David. I want to remind you

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Speaker 1: we're talking to Steelers fans, so we've got to slow

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Speaker 1: everything down. First question is out of the box. When

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Speaker 1: Oppenheimer blew up the bomb, he turned to his friends

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Speaker 1: and said, now I have become Death, the destroyer of worlds.

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Speaker 1: Have you had that fee all a feeling come over you?

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Speaker 1: As you deal with AI as the White House are.

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Speaker 9: Yet well, Hugh, I'm personally not that worried that AI

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Speaker 9: is going to be this catastrophic technology. I understand that

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Speaker 9: a lot of people are afraid of it, and in fact,

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Speaker 9: for the last couple of years, you've heard this analogy

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Speaker 9: that AI is like nuclear weapons. I think that analogy

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Speaker 9: is highly overstretched. And the reason I say that is because,

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Speaker 9: first and foremost, AI is.

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Speaker 1: A consumer technology.

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Speaker 9: The best AI models are the ones that you can

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Speaker 9: get as a consumer, you know, whether it's Chat, GPT

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Speaker 9: or grock or the new Gemini model which is available

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Speaker 9: on Google Search. You know, the best AI models are

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Speaker 9: ones that you can use for yourself. And so every

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Speaker 9: consumer is going to have a powerful AI model in

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Speaker 9: their pocket on their phone. Every business is going to

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Speaker 9: use this technology, and I do think that makes it

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Speaker 9: quite different than nuclear weapons, although certainly there is you know,

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Speaker 9: a potential dual use there that that AI is a

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Speaker 9: technology that can be used for military purposes, you know,

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Speaker 9: and I certainly acknowledge that, but I think it's also,

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Speaker 9: like I said, a very powerful consumer technology, and that

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Speaker 9: does make it quite different than something like nukes.

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Speaker 1: Well, a few years ago a few days ago, I

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Speaker 1: was on the Special Report panel and was asked by

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Speaker 1: Brett my opinion of the President's AI EO, and I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm all in favor of it because there is no

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Speaker 1: silver medal in AI. There's only a gold medal, and

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Speaker 1: we have to win it. China can't win it so

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Speaker 1: because it has national security ramifications that are immense and

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Speaker 1: consumer ramifications that are amants, but mostly naturally, we can't

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Speaker 1: afford to come in second.

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Speaker 9: Was that a fair statement. Yes, yes, I think it is.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I think we completely agree on this view.

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Speaker 9: We are in an AI race. It's a global competition,

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Speaker 9: and at the national level, our main competitor is China.

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Speaker 9: The only other country that has the talent, the technology,

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Speaker 9: the expertise to potentially beat us.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they will.

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Speaker 9: If we do the right things, or keep doing the

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Speaker 9: right things under the President's leadership, we are ahead in

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Speaker 9: the AI race.

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Speaker 1: But it is.

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Speaker 9: Definitely a competition. It's going to have major infications for

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Speaker 9: our economy and for our national security, and it's definitely

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Speaker 9: a competition we want to win. And that's where you

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Speaker 9: and I are completely aligned on this.

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Speaker 1: You so the thing we need and explain to people

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Speaker 1: is why can't we catch up once we fall behind?

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Speaker 1: Is there an exponential sort of growth and advantage that

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Speaker 1: occurs to whoever makes the breakthroughs an AI first.

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Speaker 9: Well, that's possible, but I think we just don't want

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Speaker 9: to fall behind, because once you do, it's hard to

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Speaker 9: catch up. I mean, there are motes that get established

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Speaker 9: in whether they're business modes or their research and development breakthroughs.

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Speaker 9: It's definitely the kind of thing where you don't want

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Speaker 9: to fall behind. Another reason why you don't want to

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Speaker 9: fall behind is that in technology races, what we see

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Speaker 9: is that the companies or the technologies that build the

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Speaker 9: biggest ecosystems are the ones that win. And this is

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Speaker 9: why you know our leading technology companies want to do

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Speaker 9: things like have app stores or build platforms. Is because

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Speaker 9: if you get the most apps in your app store,

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Speaker 9: or you get the most developers riding on top of

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Speaker 9: your platform, then that creates powerful lock in and we

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Speaker 9: don't want to get in the situation or behind China

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Speaker 9: in those areas, and they build the biggest ecosystem and

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Speaker 9: then the whole world will be using Chinese technology instead

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Speaker 9: of American technology, and then it'll be Chinese values that

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Speaker 9: are spreading across the world to seven American values, and

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Speaker 9: that's definitely a situation we don't want now. As soon

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Speaker 9: as I made my Sweepee endorsement, I guess it was Taisha,

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Speaker 9: not Brett. Phil Wegman over at Real Clear Politics chimed in,

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Speaker 9: then why are we allowing them to buy and Video's

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Speaker 9: last generation of chips, to which my only answer is

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Speaker 9: they're not that good compared to Gemma whatever. Blackwell it

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Speaker 9: comes up, Why are we allowing them to buy the

869
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Speaker 9: last generation as opposed to Blackwell?

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Speaker 1: I think that's a fair question, Hugh.

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Speaker 9: I mean, here's the way that we see it is

872
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Speaker 9: that the American policy, and this is bipartisan, it goes

873
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Speaker 9: back into the Biden administration, is that China is not

874
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Speaker 9: allowed to buy our leading edge chips, but they are

875
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Speaker 9: allowed to buy our lagging chips. The H two hundred

876
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Speaker 9: chip that you're talking about, and before that, the H

877
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Speaker 9: twenty chip, it is not a leading its chip. It

878
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Speaker 9: may have once been a leading edge chip, but it

879
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Speaker 9: is now a lagging chip. And the reason why you're

880
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Speaker 9: willing to sell them lagging chips is because it takes

881
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Speaker 9: market share away from their national champion Whawei, and that's

882
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Speaker 9: important because it deprives Wawei of revenue that they can

883
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Speaker 9: use to then scale up. And also there's a very

884
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Speaker 9: important developer network effect built on top of these chips.

885
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Speaker 9: So it's not just about the chips, it's about the

886
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Speaker 9: software that's running on top of the chips. And Vidia

887
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Speaker 9: has this operating system called Kuda. There's a bunch of

888
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Speaker 9: developer toolkits, toolchains and libraries that run on top of Kuda.

889
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Speaker 9: And if you deprive China and so if you allow

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Speaker 9: China to use the old generation of Nvidia chips and

891
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Speaker 9: at least you keep them dependent on that software ecosystem,

892
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Speaker 9: China has several hundred thousand AI developers and they would

893
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Speaker 9: rather use the Nvidia ecosystem and stay on Nvidia. But

894
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Speaker 9: if you force them onto the Wahwei ecosystem, then they

895
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Speaker 9: will start writing software for the Huawei stack, and that

896
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Speaker 9: would be something that's undesirable.

897
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Speaker 1: So we think there's.

898
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Speaker 9: Some value in maintaining a Chinese dependency on the previous

899
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Speaker 9: generation of chips. Now, for that very reason, the Chinese government,

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Speaker 9: according to an article in the Financial Times, is saying

901
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Speaker 9: they're not going to allow the Nvidia.

902
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Speaker 1: Chips in there.

903
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Speaker 9: So I think that Chinese government sees the same thing

904
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Speaker 9: that we do, which is they want to be semiconductor independent,

905
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Speaker 9: the same way hu that we wanted to be energy

906
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Speaker 9: independent as a nation.

907
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Speaker 1: They want to be.

908
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Speaker 9: Semiconductor independent, saying they're not going to allow those Nvidia

909
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Speaker 9: chips in because they want to prop up and boost

910
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Speaker 9: up Huawei.

911
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: They're national champions.

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Speaker 9: So this is you know, this is a case where

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Speaker 9: I think that there's always going to be room for

914
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Speaker 9: disagreement because there's that you know, where exactly we draw

915
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Speaker 9: that line between leading and lagging chips is always going

916
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Speaker 9: to be up for debate. But it looks to me

917
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Speaker 9: like right now the Chinese government's not going to allow

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Speaker 9: in our chips because they want to be independent.

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Speaker 1: If they don't allow in the old chips, that is

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Speaker 1: a that is a complete answer to the argument that

921
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Speaker 1: Philip put forward, because then the indigenous they want to

922
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Speaker 1: grow their indigenous.

923
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Speaker 9: Chip yes sector, There's no question they want to indigenize.

924
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Speaker 9: They definitely want to indigenize their their chips sector. There's

925
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 9: no question about it. Now let me just he and

926
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Speaker 9: just just here.

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Speaker 1: One just one last thought on this is that China is.

928
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Speaker 9: The second largest market in the world for chips. So

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Speaker 9: if China is able to indigenize and they give that

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Speaker 9: market exclusively to Whahwei, Whuawei will use that to then

931
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Speaker 9: scale up a chief critical mass and then they will

932
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Speaker 9: then export chips at low cost all over the world.

933
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Speaker 9: So that is basically their strategy. And again, if we

934
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Speaker 9: can take share away from Whahwei and slow them down

935
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Speaker 9: from doing that, then that's a worthwhile pursuit. So that

936
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Speaker 9: is the thinking. But I think that the Chinese government

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Speaker 9: sees the same thing we do, and that's why they

938
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Speaker 9: are essentially giving this huge market subsidy to Huawei.

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense to me. I'm coming right back

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Speaker 1: with David Sacks, you chair of the president Council of

941
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Speaker 1: Advisors on Science and Technology. He's the AI crypto guru.

942
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Speaker 1: The deal will ha to Guru. Don't go anywhere in America.

943
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Speaker 1: I'll be right back with David Sacks after the break.

944
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt, back with David Sacks,

945
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Speaker 1: who's the chair of the President's Council on Advisors on

946
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Speaker 1: Science and Technology. David one market question. I'm not a

947
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Speaker 1: market guy. I don't give market advice. But I read

948
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Speaker 1: the journal in the Financial Times. Is there an AI bubble?

949
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Speaker 1: In your view? Are we going to see a rapid

950
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Speaker 1: deflation and value in some sectors in the AI? What realm?

951
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a bubble, Hue.

952
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Speaker 9: I would say that there's a lot of volatility because

953
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Speaker 9: anytime you're underwriting to a very big outcome in the future,

954
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Speaker 9: and we're talking about investments that are being made on

955
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Speaker 9: a five to ten year timeframe, there's gonna be a

956
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Speaker 9: lot of volatility in that. But one important indicator here

957
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Speaker 9: is that all of the GPUs that are being bought

958
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Speaker 9: and run in data centers are being used. I mean,

959
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Speaker 9: there is tremendous demand for this type of computing processing power.

960
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Speaker 9: That makes it a little different than the dot com bubble.

961
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Speaker 9: If you go back to the late nineties and we

962
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Speaker 9: had this big fiber build out, there was a lot

963
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,839
Speaker 9: of what was called dark fiber back then, where again,

964
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Speaker 9: these huge investments are being made that weren't being used yet.

965
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Speaker 9: Now eventually all that fiber got used, but people realized

966
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Speaker 9: in the year two thousand that the fiber wasn't being

967
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Speaker 9: used and we had a big crash. In this case,

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Speaker 9: all the GPUs are being used, so there's tremendous end

969
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Speaker 9: user demand for these services.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to thank you for one thing. You're

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Speaker 1: a very successful investor, innovator, entrepreneur, and lawyer, and you've

972
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Speaker 1: agreed to go back to d C. How do you

973
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Speaker 1: find the DC bureaucracy compared to the Silicon Valley entrepreneurial

974
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Speaker 1: investing environment.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's a big culture clash. I mean, these are

976
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 9: two very very different cultures. Silicon Valley obviously moves very quickly.

977
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Speaker 9: There's tremendous competition there. Companies perceive that they're in a

978
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 9: race for survival a lot of the time, and they

979
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 9: just move very quickly. And there's also a mentality that again,

980
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 9: like I mentioned before, you want to build the big,

981
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 9: biggest tech ecosystem, so there is a partner mentality. You

982
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 9: want to encourage other people developing software on top of

983
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 9: your on top of your applications. DC is a little different.

984
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Speaker 9: It's a different mindset. It's a little bit more of

985
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 9: a command and control mindset. It's a little bit more

986
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 9: bureaucratic obviously, so things move more slowly and people update

987
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 9: their assumption a little bit more slowly about what's happening, so.

988
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: Two very very different cultures right now. I'm saving the

989
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: vegetables for the last segment in the segment on the podcast,

990
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: which has to do with preemption, and I'll explain why

991
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Speaker 1: when we get there. Let me give you the last

992
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: sexy question. In my world of punditry, there's no one

993
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: greater than doctor the late doctor Charles Crodhammer. He proposed

994
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: the theory that the reason we've never heard from another

995
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: advanced civilization is that all advanced civilizations always blow themselves up,

996
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: that they always take their technology to the logical level

997
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: of destroying each other skynet. Do you view that as

998
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: the inevitability?

999
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 9: Well, I see those movies too, and I understand the concern,

1000
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 9: but I think it's pretty much in the real of

1001
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 9: science fiction, we don't really see that happening right now,

1002
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 9: if you. I mean, what I would recommend that everyone

1003
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 9: do is just try these new tools.

1004
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:56,920
Speaker 1: You go to check.

1005
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 9: GPT, or you go to rock or use good Google,

1006
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 9: and what you'll see is that these AI chatbots are

1007
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 9: good at giving you answers, but it's really like a

1008
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 9: better web search. It doesn't have a mind of its own,

1009
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 9: it can't provide its own objective. It doesn't again, it

1010
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 9: doesn't try to figure out what it's supposed to be

1011
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 9: doing other than what you tell it to do. And

1012
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Speaker 9: there's really no evidence that that is not the case.

1013
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 9: So you know, we're building these they're called link large

1014
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 9: language models, and that's quite different than I think what's

1015
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 9: portrayed in a lot of the science fiction.

1016
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Speaker 1: In my law school faculty meeting, all we hear about

1017
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: llms is that we can't give take home exams anymore. Okay,

1018
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: that's a change, but it's not the end of the

1019
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: world because people will go home. Will it wipe out

1020
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 1: the millions of jobs that the doom sayers say? I

1021
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: don't think it will, But what do you think? No,

1022
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: why not? I don't think so.

1023
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 9: We don't see any well, we don't see any evidence

1024
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 9: of that. So, in fact, it's quite the opposite. We're

1025
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 9: seeing a job boom right now. So you look at

1026
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 9: the build out right now, if data centers and infrastruate

1027
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 9: ructure construction workers are seeing their wages increase thirty percent

1028
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Speaker 9: because of the demand. In fact, we're seeing many categories

1029
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 9: of labor. We have unfilled jobs. It's everything from plumbers

1030
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 9: to electricians, electricians to carpenters, the people who pour concrete

1031
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 9: or hang drywall, drivers, even architects.

1032
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: Engineering. There's a tremendous demand.

1033
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 9: Being created right now, and so wages are going up

1034
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 9: because we can't hire enough laborers.

1035
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 1: So it's just not the case that we're seeing a

1036
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Speaker 1: lot of job loss.

1037
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Speaker 9: And in fact, there was just a study by Yale

1038
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Speaker 9: by the Yale Budget Lab saying that in the thirty

1039
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,839
Speaker 9: three months since the launch of chat GPT, there's been

1040
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 9: no discernible disruption to the labor market.

1041
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: They're seeing no major job loss.

1042
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 9: So again, you're hearing a lot of these doomer forecasts,

1043
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 9: but we're not seeing any of it in the data

1044
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Speaker 9: so far.

1045
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Speaker 1: And a quick exit question is the next segment, how

1046
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: interested is the president in this? Does you call him

1047
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 1: to say, David, tell me about this every day or

1048
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: is it quarterly or monthly? How interested?

1049
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 5: Is he.

1050
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: Very interested in this?

1051
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 9: I think that he wants America to win. He's the

1052
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 9: one who declared that we have to win the AI

1053
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 9: race and his AI speech on July twenty third, and

1054
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Speaker 9: he understands how important this is for our economy. Right now,

1055
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Speaker 9: AI is providing roughly half of the growth of the economy.

1056
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Speaker 9: The President gets that he wants us to win.

1057
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Speaker 1: We come back. We're going to talk about the EO

1058
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,839
Speaker 1: and that is the vegetables. But you've got to understand it,

1059
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Speaker 1: especially you governors who are pissed off out there. Stay tuned.

1060
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Speaker 4: It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas everywhere you go.

1061
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Speaker 1: Welcome back in America. I'm here, Hugh at David Sachs

1062
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Speaker 1: is still with me. Now we get to the meet

1063
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Speaker 1: and the vegetables of the discussion. Last week, President Trump

1064
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Speaker 1: issued an executive order preempting the States from regulating artificial

1065
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Speaker 1: intelligence and its development. I set up and shared can

1066
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Speaker 1: I teach preemption every year, and I explain to people

1067
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Speaker 1: that Congress was given the interstate of Commerce authority to

1068
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Speaker 1: make sure that the States didn't screw it up. But

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Speaker 1: I've never seen done by executive order before. David, now

1070
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Speaker 1: you're a University of Chicago trained lawyer, say you're a

1071
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 1: smart guy. Have you ever seen executive order used to

1072
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: declare preemption before?

1073
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Speaker 9: Well, we know we're being careful about what we can

1074
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 9: do by executive order and what has to be done

1075
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Speaker 9: by legislation. So in the executive order, we recognize that

1076
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 9: we need Congress to enact a federal framework, and so

1077
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Speaker 9: we're asking for a law, and the EO task members

1078
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Speaker 9: of the administration to work with Congress to deliver that framework.

1079
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Speaker 9: We again want to bill that the President can sign,

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Speaker 9: and the executive Order provides a set of principles that

1081
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Speaker 9: we'd like to see contained in that bill. And then furthermore,

1082
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Speaker 9: it contains a set of tools that the federal government

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Speaker 9: can use to push back on the most onerous examples

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Speaker 9: of excessive state law in this area. So we're recognizing

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Speaker 9: that this EO is not the preemption itself. It's more

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Speaker 9: of a roadmap to the preemption, but we will ultimately

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Speaker 9: need a law from Congress.

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Speaker 1: All right, then we are in one hundred percent agreement,

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Speaker 1: and it's a good message to the governors and the

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Speaker 1: state legislatures to stay away. Let's get into the nitty gritty.

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Speaker 1: Section three of the EO reads, within thirty days of

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Speaker 1: the date of this order, and it was December eleventh,

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General shall establish an AI Litigation Task Force

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Speaker 1: whose sole responsibility shall be to challenge state AI laws

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Speaker 1: inconsistent with the policy set forth in Section two of

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Speaker 1: the order. That's the policy saying the Feds are going

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Speaker 1: to clear the ground here, and the task Force shall

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Speaker 1: consult from time to time with the Special Advisor for

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Speaker 1: AI and CRYPTO. That's you. So are you going to

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Speaker 1: have to sit down with a bunch of lawyers from

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Speaker 1: Justice every now and then and talk about scurring the

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Speaker 1: states out of screwing the Feds.

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Speaker 9: Well, so this is one of the powers or one

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Speaker 9: of the tools that's created by the EO. And let

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Speaker 9: me just say that the DJ already has the power

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Speaker 9: to challenge state laws, so this is not a new power.

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Speaker 9: But what the EO is doing here is enumerting and

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Speaker 9: marshaling all the tools of the federal government behind the

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Speaker 9: President's policy to create a national framework. And so yes,

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Speaker 9: we are going to meet with a DOJ, this task

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Speaker 9: force to try and figure out again what are the

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Speaker 9: most egregious examples of state laws that we should oppose.

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Speaker 9: And we're going to oppose them either on FORSMA grounds

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Speaker 9: or on interstate commerce grounds. These are areas where the

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Speaker 9: states do not have the right to impose these excessive regulations.

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Speaker 9: So that is the purpose of that. But let me

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Speaker 9: just say that there are areas that we will not

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Speaker 9: challenge the states, and this is important too. What we

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Speaker 9: said is that we we recognize that the states have

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Speaker 9: an interest in protecting child safety, for example, and furthermore,

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Speaker 9: we realize that localities have an interest in choosing what

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Speaker 9: their local infrastructure is. We're not going to interfere with

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Speaker 9: the rights of communities to decide whether they want to

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Speaker 9: have a data center or not. So there are areas

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Speaker 9: that we're not going to challenge, and those are enumerated

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Speaker 9: in this Executive order as well.

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Speaker 1: Now you're in northern California and I'm a Southern Californi

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Speaker 1: until I fled a decade ago because it had fallen

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Speaker 1: off the cliff. We can't let California screw this up?

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Speaker 1: Are they trying to screw They screwed everything up, Literally

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Speaker 1: everything they touched they screw up. Is California trying to

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Speaker 1: screw up AI?

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Speaker 9: Yes, I mean by the way that you and I

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Speaker 9: would define it, They are absolutely screwing this up. They

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Speaker 9: already passed one bill called SB fifty three, which creates

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Speaker 9: this reporting regime for AI models, and it's burdened some

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Speaker 9: in and it's burdened some in and of itself, but

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Speaker 9: now multiplied by fifty You're going to have AI companies

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Speaker 9: trying to file reports with different definitions and fifty states

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Speaker 9: to fifty different state regulators with fifty different deadlines. This

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Speaker 9: is going to be an absolute morass and it's going

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Speaker 9: to be very expensive. Look, the big tech companies can

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Speaker 9: always afford to comply. They're going to figure it out.

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Speaker 9: But it's the little tech It's the startup founders and entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 9: the innovators who are going to get tangled up by this.

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Speaker 9: And this is where we start to impede innovation and

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Speaker 9: it could cost us this AI race with China.

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Speaker 1: So you know, what we need to do is move to.

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Speaker 9: A federal framework, not a patchwork at fifty different states.

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Speaker 9: And it's true that you know, California is the state

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Speaker 9: that has the most market power and it has the

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Speaker 9: most nexus to AI companies. So you know, I know

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Speaker 9: there's a lot of red state governors who are saying

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Speaker 9: that they're opposed to the federal role as well, but

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Speaker 9: they can't stop Gavin Newsom and the local assemblyman's Scott

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Speaker 9: Wiener is writing all these laws from foisting these laws

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Speaker 9: on the entire country because you know, almost all of

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Speaker 9: the major AI companies are in California, and they're going

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Speaker 9: to have to abide by these California laws, and those

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Speaker 9: California laws are therefore going to become de facto for

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Speaker 9: the rest of the country. So, you know, I understand

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Speaker 9: that some of the concerns the Red States, but they

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Speaker 9: need to understand that President Trump is the only elected

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Speaker 9: official in America who can protect the Red States from

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Speaker 9: what California is going to do. And you know it's

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Speaker 9: not just Gavin Newsom, it's the Scott Wiener for example.

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Speaker 9: They already pass SB fifty three. Wieners got seventy more

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Speaker 9: bills to go. And again, these are going to become

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Speaker 9: day facto law for all of America because of California's

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Speaker 9: market power. If we don't move to some sort of

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Speaker 9: national framework directly.

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Speaker 1: Then you'll need aship, You'll need a whack a mole

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Speaker 1: lawyer or phalanx of lawyers over doj to spread out

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Speaker 1: over California. And every time they propose a reg or

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Speaker 1: a statute, challenge it under the negative commerce clause. Now

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Speaker 1: Clarence Thomas doesn't like the negative commerce clause, but I

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Speaker 1: think it's clearly there is that what the AI litigation

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Speaker 1: subsection is all about standing up people to go out

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Speaker 1: there and hit them as soon as they come up

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Speaker 1: with a bad idea.

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Speaker 9: Well, it does give us the power to do that,

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Speaker 9: but I think in practice we're going to have to

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Speaker 9: be selective and decide where to pick our battles.

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Speaker 1: And again, what we say.

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Speaker 9: In the executive Order is we want to go after

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Speaker 9: the most onerous and excessive state regulations. So California is

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Speaker 9: certainly capable of producing those regulations, and if they're unchecked.

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Speaker 1: This is again, this is not a stable equal.

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Speaker 9: They've already passed I think several AI laws and there's

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Speaker 9: dozens more waiting to go. So yes, at some point

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Speaker 9: they're going to do something that we just absolutely cannot accept.

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Speaker 9: But we're going to be selective about picking these battles.

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Speaker 9: We want to make sure that we win these battles

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Speaker 9: in court, and the best arguments are going to be

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Speaker 9: first Amendment arguments and then interstate commerce arguments.

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Speaker 1: They are clearly the best. When we come back, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to continue my conversation will be on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Because preemption is not for the feint of heart. I

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Speaker 1: didn't put too many vegetables on your plate, but I

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Speaker 1: assure you this is the executive order for which President

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Speaker 1: Trump will be remembered for decades if in fact it works,

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Speaker 1: and we established for national security paper purposes an AI

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Speaker 1: advantage which is insurmountable and I think will grow exponentially

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Speaker 1: once we get it going. David Sachs will be back

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Speaker 1: with me after the break. Don't go anywhere America except

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Speaker 1: over to the YouTube channel and we'll continue the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Play more of it tomorrow on the next Hewitt Show.

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Speaker 1: I am back down with David Sachs, who is the

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Speaker 1: chair of the President's Council once on Science and Technology,

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Speaker 1: the AI zar and the crypto's arm. We stand far

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Speaker 1: away from crypto because that makes my head hurt. David,

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Speaker 1: tell me about this. Mike Gallagher, former congressman, really smart

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Speaker 1: guy now with Palenteer, was on earlier this week telling

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Speaker 1: me that Palenteer is hooking up with the Department of

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Speaker 1: the Navy to build ships faster, which is music to

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Speaker 1: my ear because we need ships and we need ships faster.

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Speaker 1: What kind of advantages does AI bring to national security? Well,

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Speaker 1: here there's a couple of things.

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Speaker 9: First of all, economically, we're not going to be the

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Speaker 9: world's leading economy if we're not number one in AI.

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Speaker 9: It's such an important driver of future growth and innovation

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Speaker 9: that we can't maintain our economic supremacy unless we are

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Speaker 9: the leaders in AI.

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Speaker 1: And if we cripple.

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Speaker 9: Our innovators and the development of AI by having the

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Speaker 9: state by state regulatory approach, this patchwork of confusing regulations

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Speaker 9: that are often contradicting each other, there's no way we're

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Speaker 9: going to be able to maintain that lead.

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Speaker 1: So i'd say economy is number one.

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Speaker 9: Number two is that there are going to be powerful

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Speaker 9: applications that are developed militarily. We know that, for example,

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Speaker 9: AI is the you could call it the brain of

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Speaker 9: future drones, autonomy, things like that.

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Speaker 1: It's gold today, it's the Golden down Golden Dome without it.

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Speaker 9: Yes, whether you're talking about offensive weapons, drones autonomy, things

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Speaker 9: like that are defensive, the missile defense shield, those systems,

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Speaker 9: the guide systems are going to be powered by AI algorithms,

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Speaker 9: and you can imagine that wars the future are going

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Speaker 9: to be algorithm wars. So it's very important that we

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Speaker 9: stay on the cutting edge of this technology.

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Speaker 1: So my last two questions, have you invited the state

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Speaker 1: regulators and the state want to be big shots and

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Speaker 1: AI for a variety of regions. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of incentives. Do want to be the David Sacks of

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Speaker 1: California or the David Sacks of Iowa, or the David

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Speaker 1: Sacks of Florida. Have you invited them all to DC

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Speaker 1: to sit down and talk to them about why you

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Speaker 1: caep them informed? But they really can't things up.

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Speaker 5: You.

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Speaker 9: I did a call last week with the governors and

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Speaker 9: their staffs to talk about the EO and walk them

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Speaker 9: through what was in it, was not in it, that

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Speaker 9: sort of thing, And I think we're going to do

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Speaker 9: another call in the next week. So I am starting

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Speaker 9: to have those conversations, and if any of them want

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Speaker 9: to meet with me in DC, I'm happy to do

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Speaker 9: that as well. So we are trying to keep the

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Speaker 9: dialogue open. And I think it's important I understand why

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Speaker 9: our governors want, why they feel they have the right

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Speaker 9: and responsibility to protect their state populations. But they just

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Speaker 9: need to understand that there's a huge externality created when

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Speaker 9: you have fifty different governors or fifty different states running

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Speaker 9: in fifty different directions.

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Speaker 1: And I came out of the world, and only I

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Speaker 1: came out of environmental law, and all it is is

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Speaker 1: the nightmare of non preemption. Here's where I want to

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Speaker 1: close with our last four minutes. You've got a variety

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Speaker 1: of committees in the Senate, in the House. They all

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Speaker 1: want to be big. You got twenty five different agencies.

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Speaker 1: They all want to expand their wrint. Do we need

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Speaker 1: a new agency for AI to be set up by

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Speaker 1: a congressional statute? Is the best way to go forward

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Speaker 1: for a framework for AI development and regulation? I would

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Speaker 1: lean against that.

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Speaker 9: I think a preferable approach would be to allow our

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Speaker 9: existing agencies to govern those aspects of AII that pertain

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Speaker 9: to them. So, for example, if there are concerns about

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Speaker 9: the use of AI when it comes to drug development

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Speaker 9: or something like that, I'd rather see the existing agency,

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Speaker 9: which I gets to be the FDA, deal with that

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Speaker 9: than rather than create a new agency that would then

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Speaker 9: be in competition with the FDA, and so forth and

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Speaker 9: so on down the line. So it's called a sexual approach,

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Speaker 9: and I tend to think that the sexual approach would be.

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Speaker 1: Better, But we haven't made a final determination on that.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm going to want a chance to argue out

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Speaker 1: of that. Only because I spent so long enough. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Well tell me, Well, the FEDS are all full of

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Speaker 1: people who've been doing what they've been doing for thirty years,

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Speaker 1: and they've been thinking the way federal regulators think for

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Speaker 1: thirty years, and they've never been quick on their feet

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Speaker 1: and nimble in their response to change technology. So you

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Speaker 1: got thirty different bureaucracies that will movement the speed of glue,

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Speaker 1: and they will never catch up to the innovators who

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Speaker 1: are coming up on AI. So I would stand up.

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Speaker 1: You might want to defer to the FDA's recommendations, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: create a new agency, and you want.

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Speaker 9: You want to see a new agency. That's interesting. I mean, look, Hugh,

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Speaker 9: we have not made that decision yet, so I'll take

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Speaker 9: your opinion into advisement there.

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