1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: They should not have released that video of the bad 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: guy at Nancy Guthrie's front door, that from Supervisory Special 3 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: Agent Dan Brunner, formerly the FBI. He says they should 4 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 1: have held on to it. He says they actually tipped 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: off the bad guy. Do you agree, we're gonna get 6 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 1: into it. We're going to talk about that. Plus does 7 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: the cartel have Nancy Guthrie? Don't miss this. Does the 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: cartel have Nancy Guthrie? Is that a possibility? 9 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 2: Listen, Anything is a possibility at this point because you 10 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 2: can't discount any leads. As an investigator. You got to 11 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: keep all the possibilities open. But I would say less 12 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: likely than not. I don't think the cartels have her 13 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 2: because the numerous red flags leading up to this investigation, 14 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 2: numerous red flags were lighting off that you know, if 15 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: this were a cartel kidnapping, which it's possible, like you said, 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 2: it's possible, Yeah, but I'd say unlikely because listen, and 17 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: I said this before the video was released, that these 18 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: were amateurs. These were amateurs group. You don't kidnap an 19 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 2: eighty four year old woman. Not to mention if the 20 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 2: cartel wanted to send a message to Savannah Guthrie. They'd 21 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: be kidnapping her sister, who could have a longer life 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 2: span alonger holding, you know, if they really did want 23 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: to hold her for ransom. That's why I don't think 24 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 2: that they went after this grandmother, you know, knowingly. I 25 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 2: think that this was somebody from her secondary circle, someone 26 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: who knew her target of opportunity, that possibly didn't even 27 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 2: know that she was Savannah Guthrie's mom, and then just realized, 28 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: you know, I've bit off more than I could chew. 29 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 2: And then when the video was released, you saw the 30 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: amateurish you know, weapon in the backpack, I mean distinctive clothing, 31 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: you know, the weapon and where it was placed, the 32 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: holster where it was placed. These are not professionals. This 33 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 2: was not an individual who knew what they were doing. 34 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 2: They were inside the house for forty one minutes. If 35 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: this really was a home invasion, you know, and turned 36 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: into a kidnapping, they were there for forty one minutes. 37 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: Home invasion is done in minutes. If this were a 38 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: kidnapping for ransom, they would have been in and out 39 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: in minutes. But they were there for forty one minutes. 40 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: There's a countless number of questions that no one can 41 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: answer right now, and I don't think that the cartel 42 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: has them, but it can't be discounted until we have 43 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: a good solid lead in figuring out who it is. 44 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: You know, it's all very interesting because and I want 45 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: to hone in on one thing that you said, and 46 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: I've been talking about this on my show recently too, 47 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: the way the guy carried the gun. Now, I'm not 48 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: familiar with carrying a gun like that. You carried a 49 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: gun for your living. I carry a gun all the 50 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: time now I'm in Texas. You have to. It's just 51 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: what we do. But I would never carry the gun 52 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: like he did. But then somebody who was also i 53 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: think former FBI said, we call that a Mexican carry. 54 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,119 Speaker 1: So is that literally? Would cartel members carry the gun 55 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: in front of their business like that? And I mean, 56 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: I guess it's accessible, but it just seems so weird 57 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: to have it where he had it. For those who 58 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 1: are listening on the radio, he had it in front 59 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 1: of his pants, almost in front of his area. I mean, 60 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: it would be easy access, but it just seemed very 61 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: flimsy where it was. 62 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: Well, you have people who do what's called appendix carry 63 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: hurs literally is put You're putting it inside the waistband, 64 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: but almost like one or two inches away from your 65 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 2: private area. This was a holster. It looked appeared to 66 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 2: be a full sized weapon. So not like a glock 67 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: miniature or a sig miniature which would be used utilized 68 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: normally as an appendix Carrie. This was a full sized 69 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: weapon directly in front of of his private area. So 70 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 2: I don't believe that this is individual with law enforcement training, 71 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: military training, or regular weapons training. Again, so that would 72 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: discount the possibility of this being cartel. Obviously we know 73 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 2: cartel members carry weapons as frequently, so is this possible. Again, 74 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 2: anything is possible, but because we don't have a solid suspect, 75 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: But I just say it's less likely that it is 76 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: somebody who is a professional kidnapper, a professional organization. I 77 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: think this guy's an amateur. I think they just saw 78 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: a target of opportunity. They wanted to take advantage of 79 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 2: a little old woman, and they thought they would have 80 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 2: a payday, and you know, they made a mistake. 81 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: Retired of being Supervisory Special Agent Dan Brunner, Dan, I 82 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: appreciate the time of the access. I don't want to 83 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: say Mexico did it or has her, but I want 84 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: to exclude Mexico. It jumps out at me when they 85 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: do the DNA that the guy's not in CODIS, and 86 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: I'm guessing Mexican cartel members are not in CODIS either. 87 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: That's why I keep saying, Look, you're an hour the border, 88 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: and the one guy they detained for like seven hours 89 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: was twelve miles from the border, and I guess through 90 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: pinging his location through GEO tracking on his phone, they 91 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: knew that he was delivering packages in that area, not 92 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: that he did anything wrong. But again, there seems to 93 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: be some vectoring with Mexico. Does that jump out at 94 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: you as a former FBI guy, that the DNA is 95 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: an encodis But one would assume you think this is 96 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: his first rodeo. I mean, I would think this guy 97 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: the way he's dressed, and he's covered head to toe, 98 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: and he might have two masks on, and he's got 99 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: tape on his wrists, and it almost looked like either 100 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: he planned it for a really long time and has 101 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: never done anything wrong before, or maybe he's a bad 102 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: guy from somewhere else. 103 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 2: Again, and I hate to harp on this is saying 104 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 2: we don't know anything, But you're right. I think a 105 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 2: lot of the point of what he was wearing is 106 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 2: into me. In my opinion, he wore a very distinctive backpack. 107 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 2: You know, he wore a very distinctive shirt, right, things 108 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 2: that could be identifiable. A professional criminal is good wearing. 109 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: You wouldn't do that something that could be identified. And 110 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 2: here's one of the things that was a disadvantage to 111 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: this investigation. I believe the video the video was released 112 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 2: too soon. So whoever released it at FBI leadership, because 113 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 2: I know the case agents on the ground did not 114 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 2: did not want this released, but they released it the 115 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:18,920 Speaker 2: day it was recovered from the servers, that which caused 116 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: a severe damage to the investigation. 117 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: I got to stop you, dan Etchei. You're the first 118 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: person I've heard say that that's amazing. Many people thought 119 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: they released it, they waited too long to release it, 120 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: and that they have more video that they should release. 121 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: Start from the beginning. Why was it bad that they 122 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: released this when they did? 123 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: Well, when you get an investigation, I've been involved in 124 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 2: numerous fugitive investigations. I captured a ten most wanted in 125 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: New Jersey. I want all the intelligence at my hands 126 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: to be dissected, to be broken down, to really look 127 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: at it before I give it up into the public sphere. 128 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 2: I don't want the bad guys to know of all 129 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 2: the information. I know we as a public want to 130 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: know everything. We want to know what's going on, but 131 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: we don't need to know. That's the most important part. 132 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,560 Speaker 2: The investigators needed to have time to really dissect it, 133 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: look at how tall he was, where the backpack was purchased, 134 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: where this was and for them to discreetly approach these 135 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: companies and say, listen, do you have someone with this 136 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: backpack and this shirt, and not to do it in 137 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: the public sphere, on the social media sphere. By doing this, 138 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 2: you have said you've allowed the individual to not only 139 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: know that they are aware of his identity, that they've 140 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 2: got video of him, but most importantly, he's able to 141 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 2: discard all of that physical evidence. That backpack, the shirt, 142 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 2: he's destroyed. That stuff is gone. And that's exactly what 143 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 2: a US attorney from the Department of Justice wants to 144 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: have in court when that individual is taken into custody. 145 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: They want to be able to conduct a search warrant 146 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 2: at somebody's house that they've been surveilling for a couple 147 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:49,039 Speaker 2: of days now to identify this individual, search the house, 148 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 2: find the backpack, find the shirt, find the glove, and 149 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: then they can present that into court by releasing that 150 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: video the day it was released. And I'm suspecting that 151 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 2: it came from the top from cash Bettel, that that 152 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: he wanted is in the social media sphere. I guarantee 153 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,559 Speaker 2: you every single case station on the ground, every single 154 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 2: member of cast, this cellular analysis team, everyone said no, please, 155 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 2: don't release it. We need to analyze this, we need 156 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: to break it down, we need to understand it. And 157 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 2: then once that is squeezed for everything that it can 158 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 2: be squeezed for, all the evidence, all the descriptions, all 159 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: the physical where it was purchased, everything is squeezed down, 160 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 2: and then no additional leads, then you can present that 161 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: to the to the media, to the world. We don't 162 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 2: need to know, we want to know, we don't need 163 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: to know as civilians. And so it was released too early. 164 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: It caused damage to the investigation because now the bad 165 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: guy goes, well, they've got me on video, I better 166 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 2: high tail it out of here, and he's got you 167 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 2: could be on the other side of the planet right now, 168 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 2: if we hadn't released it, he wouldn't know that. We know, 169 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: he wouldn't know that we've got the idea of the 170 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 2: backpack and the gun and all those things. And then 171 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 2: they can conduct surveillance, quietly, surveil somebody, identify a location, 172 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: hit him with a search warrant, and if he's got 173 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: the backpack, we've got our guy. And that's gone there. 174 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: Great point, Dan, it's Dan Brunner. Go go and check 175 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: out Bruner sierragroup dot com. It's his website for his group. Man, 176 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: there's a lot there. So let's break that down a 177 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: little bit further. You're right, he would not have known 178 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: that his breaking the camera didn't work. He wouldn't know 179 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: that they even have that video. So I'm with you 180 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: one hundred percent on that. But keep in mind, I'm 181 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: just a doork who watches two hour movies and I see, 182 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: you know, crimes get solved in two hours or even 183 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: an hour if it's on network television with commercials. In 184 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: forty minutes, you can solve, you know, a multiple murder situation. 185 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: From my perspective as the layperson, don't you want people 186 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: in Tucson on the surrounding areas to see his gaidence dride, 187 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: to see how he sort of shuffles around, to see 188 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: the kind of shoes he has on, don't you want? 189 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: Because those things can be indicators to those who are close. 190 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 1: Like if I if you showed me a video of 191 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: my wife, you know, and covered up from head to toe, 192 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: when I see her walk, I probably know it's her, 193 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So it wasn't there some 194 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: advantage of putting it out when they did, or you 195 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 1: canmpletely say no, they could have waited a few more days. 196 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: Yes, there is advantages to it, but the disadvantages could 197 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 2: clearly outweigh those advantages without a doubt the difficulty of 198 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 2: the case team to be able to slowly analyze it, 199 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 2: not to mention, in addition to just not being able 200 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 2: to do this that Phoenix, the Arizona Division was inundated 201 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 2: with tens of thousands of tips because it was just 202 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: a general video. If they had been given time to 203 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 2: slowly break it down, and they say, okay, we're looking 204 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 2: for a male individual five foot ten, the five foot 205 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: ten wasn't figured out until twenty four hours later, forty 206 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 2: eight hours after the video was released. We're looking for 207 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 2: an individual five foot nine to five foot ten has 208 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 2: a backpack of this make and model, this shirt making model. 209 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 2: Does this person fit the description? Like I said, squeeze 210 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: the juice for all the juice that it's that you 211 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: can get out of that video then presented to the public, 212 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: and then those you know, twenty thirty thousand leads, which 213 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: every single lead has to be vetted and has to 214 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: be analyzed. That twenty thousand becomes less ten thousand. So 215 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 2: not only are the case team in a you know, 216 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: you know, working behind because now the the individual has 217 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 2: got a lead on them, he's got the advantage out, 218 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: he's holding the cards. You are inundating a case. You know, 219 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 2: an individual's the you know, the service people of the 220 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 2: you know, support individuals, other case teams, other special agents, 221 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: people that have been flown in with thousands of leads 222 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 2: that they don't need to look at. You focus it, 223 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: You take your time slowly. The fact is someone at 224 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: FBI headquarters, whether it p Cash, Hotel or somebody else, 225 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 2: made the decision that they were going to drive the 226 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 2: narrative via social media. You cannot run a major case 227 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: investigation via social media. It doesn't work. It just doesn't work. 228 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: Daniel Brunner, Dan, I appreciate the time former FBI supervisory 229 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: special agent. I like Cash, I like the President had 230 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: them both on a lot of times on the show. 231 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: The President about a day after the video came out, 232 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 1: said we're really close going to have We're gonna have 233 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: some sort of a solution soon. Do you think they 234 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: thought they had the guy? Because for the President to 235 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: say that, and I thought that he was premature in 236 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,640 Speaker 1: saying it, obviously, and it turns out at what he was, 237 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: But for him to say that somebody had to give 238 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: him a week and or not, Hey, we got the guy, 239 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: don't worry, it's going to end soue. Do you think 240 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: that they preemptively thought they had the person. 241 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: I think that they did. I think that they We've 242 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 2: seen this before, that things have been tweeted online that 243 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:32,119 Speaker 2: or we have our guy and then and then that's backtracked. 244 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 2: It happens countless time. 245 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: Now, Charlie Kirk case exactly right, did Charlie Kirk case. 246 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: They said they had the guy and then they said, oh, 247 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: we let him go. It wasn't the guy, right? 248 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 2: Go ahead, correct? And you cannot dictate an investigation via 249 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: social media. It has to be done by the case team. 250 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: Let them do it, let them vet it out. There's 251 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 2: a chain of command. Let them work their investigation, and 252 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 2: then they report up. And then when they have it, 253 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 2: now do they if they want to say, we have 254 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 2: a person of interest you know, being questioned right now, great, 255 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 2: that's totally fine. I have no problem with questioning one 256 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 2: hundred people, bringing them in, putting them in the box 257 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: and talking to them. I have no problem with that 258 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 2: and figuring out what their alibi is. But to come 259 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 2: out and to say we have our guy, I think 260 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 2: it's it's difficult because it then you know, may you know, 261 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: may have somebody stop phoning in a tip, which could 262 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 2: be the tip. So I think, yes, I think it's 263 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 2: difficult to say, you know, to have to be put 264 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 2: on social media to do it. I understand, we want 265 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: to know. I understand, we get that, but it's just 266 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 2: not the efficient way. That's not the best way to operate, 267 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: and the FBI never has really operated that way. We 268 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: like to work in our darkness. We like to work 269 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 2: in the quiet. We've got the best resources, the FBI 270 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 2: agents on the ground, the cast team, the evidence team. 271 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 2: There's no one that can compare to them. Let them 272 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: work their magic, let them use their training, get the guy, 273 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 2: and then once they conduct surveillance, they arrest him and 274 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: then we can make the announcement. 275 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: Bruner sierragroup dot com is the website at Stan Brunner. 276 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate the time and the access. It seems clear 277 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: to me that there was a camera on the roof. 278 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: That's why they were up on the roof. They owned 279 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: a lot of business up there. Do you think they 280 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: have footage from that too? And then they wizened up 281 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: and said, let's not release this because we can really 282 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: track this guy down from this. Again, if it was 283 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: on the roof, we know if he'd probably if he 284 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: had somebody in the car, if there was a second 285 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: person that wasn't on the phone, the ring camera or 286 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: the nest camera in the front, do you think they 287 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:18,679 Speaker 1: had video from that camera. 288 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: I think we were lucky to get the camera from 289 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: the ring the doorbell camera, I think in general because 290 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 2: it wasn't recorded, she didn't have a paid subscription for 291 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 2: the doorbell camera and so thus there wasn't a recording 292 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 2: on her service. In other words, I heard it was 293 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: It took a lot of work by the cast members 294 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 2: by the FBI working with Nest to go dig deep 295 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 2: into their computers and retrieve just these few seconds of video. Now, 296 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: if you look at the video, there are two portions, 297 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 2: one where the individual's not wearing a backpack and the 298 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: other one where he's wearing it backpack. Really, it did 299 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 2: not see that you look at there's a there's so 300 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,440 Speaker 2: it seems to be matched together with the video that 301 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,280 Speaker 2: was released by the FBI. It seems a little bit different. 302 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: So either that he approached earlier or somewhere else. But 303 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: I think that we I think that, I mean, I 304 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 2: think that most of the video would have been released, 305 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: including that roof camp. Okay if they, like I said, 306 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 2: I think that it's just it's tremendous work by the 307 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 2: FBI cast members to recover just this clip, so to 308 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: be to say that we could recover other videos. I mean, 309 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: hopefully maybe they're still working on it at this time 310 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 2: and maybe they have it. 311 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: It is Dan Brunner. Dan, let's finish show with the 312 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: three case. I want to go into what happened in 313 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: Mexico this past weekend. In a second. Let me let 314 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: me finish with this, because nobody's giving me a really 315 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: good answer. I think we're kind of afraid to say 316 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: why he was in the house for forty one minutes. 317 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 1: Why do you think he was in there for so long? 318 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 2: That's one of the ten thousand dollars questions because there's 319 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: so many interesting questions as to how this happened, why 320 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: it happened, why the individual was in the house at 321 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: forty one minutes. If you look at the Another question 322 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: is like, if you look at the blood on the 323 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: front porch, so there was When the scene was released 324 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 2: by p maccounty, a cameraman came forward and took video 325 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: of the portion of the blood droplets. If you look 326 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 2: at it, those are blood droplets, not at a string 327 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: which she was standing there. She was bleeding out, you know, 328 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 2: whether it be from her arm, a cut on her arm, 329 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 2: or whatever is. Her blood was going straight down. It 330 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: wasn't at an angle. She wasn't being dragged. 331 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. It could have been from her nose. It probably 332 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: could have done that too, Yeah. 333 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: Correct, from her nose, from any orifice right where she 334 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: was just bleeding down. It wasn't bleeding out. She wasn't 335 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 2: getting dragged out, so she I would believe that she 336 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 2: was taken out of there under her own power, and 337 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: whether she was waiting there for a vehicle to pull 338 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 2: up and then she get put into the vehicle, I 339 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: don't know. And why they were inside for forty one minutes. 340 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 2: That's another great question as to so many of them 341 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: that I have in this case. And I've been asked 342 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 2: interviews from around the world, Australia, Canada, you know, in England, 343 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: all there if they were fascinated with this case to 344 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 2: find out why, and I still would love to know why. 345 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: Daniel Brunner go and check out his website Brunner sierragroup 346 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: dot com. He's a He's a former FBI Supervisory special Agent. 347 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: I promised this was the last question. My sister was 348 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: a dispatcher for a police department for a long time 349 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: and she called me yester. He said, how do we 350 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: know that blood was from right when she left? Could 351 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: she have gotten back home from her daughter's house and 352 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: maybe had a nose bleed and was standing out front 353 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: before she could open her door. Do we know how 354 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 1: long that blood was there because we didn't know she 355 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: was missing for twelve hours. 356 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: And you're right, anything is possible. But I think that 357 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: if she was bleeding there. She would have been bleeding 358 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 2: inside the house. Ah, God, there would have been a lot. 359 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 2: There would have been a lot of blood trails or 360 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 2: rags or tissues or things along those lines. Good point 361 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 2: to show that she was. She moved it from the 362 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 2: porch to in the house. So I don't know if 363 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 2: there was blood in the house, that's that's something that 364 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: could be that the case team could have had. But 365 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: I suspect it was the other way around, that she 366 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 2: was either cut, you know, just leaving the house and 367 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: then just laid, you know, just stood there waiting for 368 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: a vehicle or somebody to come pick her up. But 369 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: I think it was the other way around. I think 370 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: it was, you know, coming from the house. 371 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: Let's switch to Mexico. We started this conversation about the 372 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 1: cartel and whether they could or could not have Nancy Guthrie. 373 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 1: You don't think it's probable, but certainly possible. We'll keep 374 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 1: on following that lead. Whatever the leads take us. But 375 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: what the will happened in Jllisco, Mexico. Suddenly the drug king, 376 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: the cartel boss is dead. Did we kill him? Did 377 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: our agencies kill him? Did Mexico kill him? What happened there. 378 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: So what is so SEEJNG is the new generation Jalisco cartel. 379 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 2: It is one of the most powerful cartels, really one 380 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 2: of the most powerful organizations in this world. They had 381 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 2: literally weaponry, armory, weapons, tanks, vehicles, armored, you name the 382 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 2: kind of weapon they have, they have it. They had 383 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: people sent to the Ukraine to be trained on how 384 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 2: to conduct drone war. Wow, this is how powerful SIEJNG 385 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 2: was moving billions of dollars with the narcotics, weapons, human trafficking, 386 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 2: human smuggling, all of it. They were a full criminal organization, 387 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 2: even going into identity that that's how advanced CJ and 388 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 2: G was. And their leader is Elmentcho. So he was 389 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: been you know, he's been this mythic, you know, this 390 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 2: mythical person who supposedly died in twenty twenty two and 391 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: then resurfaced. So there's been a lot of speculation. He's 392 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: one of the most wanted individuals in this in the world. 393 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: He's been sought after here in the United States. The 394 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 2: DEA has got great case against them. So he was 395 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 2: finally located and I am assuming from what I understand 396 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: you utilizing US intelligence. US intelligence could be anything, could 397 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: be signals intelligence where they are tracking a cell phone, 398 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 2: you know, individual covert intelligence. So you had sources that 399 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: are on the ground reporting that we're looking to get 400 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:44,400 Speaker 2: that fifteen million dollars pay day. That intelligence or and 401 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 2: you know you've got aircraft, drones could have been conducting 402 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 2: surveillance anything like that. Surveillance was provided to Mexican authorities 403 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 2: and they conducted the strike. They conducted the attack on 404 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 2: Elmencho in the location that where he's at now. Supposedly 405 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: reporting is that he was wounded and he was put 406 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,919 Speaker 2: on an aircraft to go to the hospital, but he 407 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 2: died en route. So that has thus created the situation 408 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 2: we have here. We've seen it in the past where 409 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: individual senior leaders of the cartels have been taken into 410 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 2: custody and then there's all out warfare in certain towns. 411 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 2: This is different, and here's why. There are approximately thirty 412 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: seven smaller cartels that are part of CJNG. CJNG is 413 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: not just one cartel. They are the conglomerate. It's almost 414 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 2: a group of thirty seven smaller cartels that all operate 415 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:37,639 Speaker 2: under one umbrella and distribute their wealth equally. These thirty 416 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: seven cartels have each individual leader, they have a cartel 417 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 2: leader themselves. Each one of those leaders now want to 418 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 2: be Emento. They want to be the boss. So they're 419 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 2: now battling utilizing all these weapons that they have, fifty 420 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 2: caliber barrett you know, full automatic machine guns, you know, 421 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 2: fully armored vehicles. There are battling not only the Mexican 422 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: National Guards, the police, but they're going to start battling 423 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: each other because they want they want superiority. 424 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: Let me stop, if you don't mind, let me stop 425 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 1: you there, because again, just watching over the weekend, we 426 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 1: see them like taking over airports. We hear about them 427 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: wanting to go and take Americans hostage. So I thought 428 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 1: the reaction was, let's go and get a bunch of 429 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 1: people who show them how strong we are. But you're 430 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 1: saying this is actually leading to and all out war 431 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: to see who the new leader of the cartel is 432 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: going to be. 433 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: Not only that, here's the other thing that this could 434 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: lead to all out civil war between the cartels because 435 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 2: not only do you have the thirty seven or so 436 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: cartel bosses all trying to become the new leader of 437 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: CG ANDNG, but then you'll have rival cartels like Sinaloa 438 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 2: or Baja or or the Gulf cartel. All of them 439 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: are going to want to get a slice of CG 440 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 2: andng's pie. So you're going to see them fighting with 441 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,239 Speaker 2: CG ANDNG forces to push back and say we are 442 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: now the big dog. CG and G and Sinelo have 443 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: been the two big cartels in Mexico for a while 444 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 2: now here in Montana where I live. There, they have 445 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: a presence here in Montana. 446 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 1: Stop. 447 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, so they're in Montana. It's 448 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 2: both CJ and G and Cineloa. There's a lot of 449 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: drug trafficking, huge trafficking up here, and you have to 450 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 2: take care of a lot of the north you know, 451 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 2: southern border has been locked down, thankfully, and but you've 452 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 2: got a lot of the northern border, which are. 453 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: They going around there bringing it in through places like 454 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: Montana and Washington State and just down the line. I mean, 455 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: that's just crazy. I would I would even think about that. 456 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: So they're circumventing it by going through Canada. 457 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 2: There's also reports of Sineloa has set up their methamphetamine factories, 458 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: you know, building their factories in Canada so that they 459 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: don't have to create it in Mexico. Ship it to 460 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: Canada and then they just they just by gone they 461 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: created in Canada and then ship it straight south. There's 462 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: parts of the northern border which are completely open, people 463 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: can walk straight across. It's not like the southern border. 464 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 2: It's completely different territory. That's why one of the things 465 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: that Cash Hotel has done is create the FBI Billings Division. 466 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: So there's now going to be more FBI forces that 467 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 2: are going to be put here in Montana because we 468 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: are a border state. So there's going to be a 469 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 2: lot of concern but hit that's the thing is one 470 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: of the things that concerns me is we're seeing all 471 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 2: this fighting right now, fighting with the National Guard, the 472 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:21,959 Speaker 2: Mexican National Guard. We're going to see fighting in amongst 473 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 2: the cartels and between Senelo and CJNG. Is that coming 474 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,479 Speaker 2: here to the United States. That concerns me because there 475 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: are so many cartel members here in the United States 476 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 2: because of the billions and billions of dollars that can 477 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 2: be made from drug trafficking. What's to say that they 478 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: don't start fighting each other on our streets that we're 479 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: going to see what's happening in Mexico. 480 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, did they did they have a presence here 481 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: before Biden and then it was put on steroids when 482 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: the border was just wide open? Did tons and tons 483 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: of cartel members come here illegally and then given temporary 484 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: status or parole or whatever we're calling it when Biden's 485 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: let them stay, you know, an asylum judge is going 486 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 1: to see them in seven years. Did all that happen 487 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 1: in the four years Biden? Or were they already hear? 488 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 2: I think a lot of them were here. But yes, 489 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: we had a lot to come across the border during 490 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 2: the years. But here's the thing is is, Okay, we 491 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: have the twelve to fifteen million that were you know, 492 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: came across during the Biden administration. Many of them were 493 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 2: members of TDA MS thirteen. We all know that the 494 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: ten percent of these twelve to fifteen million, I say 495 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 2: it's about ten percent work, you know, hardened criminals. As 496 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 2: percent we don't know. Here's the thing is, the cartel 497 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 2: members don't want their people to be documented. Cartel members 498 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 2: are going to smuggle their individuals utilizing the tunnels. So 499 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 2: we're going to I believe that a lot of these 500 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 2: carteil members here in the United States. We don't even 501 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 2: know about they're here in the United States. They were 502 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 2: smuggled in and are here quietly. They weren't documented, they 503 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: weren't encountered by CBP or Ice E. R O. And 504 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: I believe that they're here in the United States, you know, 505 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: almost as sleeper cells, and then all they would take 506 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: to do is, you know, create the wrong, you know, 507 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 2: wrong moment and they could be activated. And that concerns me. 508 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: But right now in Mexico, you're seeing, you know, they're 509 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 2: battling and they killed twenty five National guardsmen Today here 510 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 2: in Mexico, they ambushed a vehicle and they killed twenty 511 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 2: five Mexican National Guardsmen. This is just the beginning. I 512 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: believe that we're going to see a number of days 513 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: of violence and then you're going to see cartel leaders 514 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 2: start battling each other for territory. 515 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: Daniel Brunner Brunner Sierragroup dot comas's website. He's a retired 516 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: FBI Supervisory special Agent. When it comes to them going 517 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: and like people were running for their lives at the airport, 518 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: why go there? Were they going there to take on government? 519 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: Were they going there, as I said earlier, to take hostages? 520 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: Was he just complete mayhem or is there a plan 521 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: in place? You take out our boss and we're going 522 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: to do these seventeen things in retaliation. Was this just 523 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: you know, a spur of the moment or was this 524 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: a plan? 525 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: No? I think if they have a plan and it's 526 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 2: set in motion. I mean a lot of these organizations 527 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: like CJNG and SINELOA, they have just like US. I mean, 528 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: they're operational, they have a command structure, they have you know, 529 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 2: they have a military leader, they have everything broken down. 530 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 2: And I believe that if they have a little almost 531 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 2: like a notebook that if if this happens, this is 532 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: going to occur, and then yes, I believe that they 533 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: knew that they were target the airports, you know, the travelers, 534 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 2: and you know right now from what intelligence of understood 535 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 2: to be is that they are targeting Mexican National Guard. 536 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: But they are warning individuals to not leave your homes 537 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: or hotels because they've also threatened saying listen, we're going 538 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 2: to go to the hotels. We're going to go to 539 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 2: the beaches. Cartels have attacked you know, resort beaches in 540 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: the past. It's nothing new, it's not a surprise. And 541 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 2: I'm talking to a numerous number of C suite level 542 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 2: executives down there in Mexico and providing them assistance and extractions. 543 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: I I've already talked to two different members and I'm 544 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 2: working on an extraction for another team right now getting 545 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: them out of Mexico. They want to get out of 546 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 2: Mexico right now, So we're working with our Mexican support. 547 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: That we that I could say, is getting them, the 548 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 2: C suite level executives out of Mexico and back to 549 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 2: the United States, back to safety. 550 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: Bronar sierragroup dot com is the website. Can you explain 551 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: the hierarchy in a Mexican cartel? And what I mean 552 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: by that is, I'm an Italian guy from New York, 553 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: so I know a lot. I've talked to Rudy Giuliani 554 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: a million times about how he used Rico. I've got 555 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: at Michael Franzis as a friend of mine, a former mobster. 556 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: Is it like a New York mob family? Is it is? 557 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: The hierarchy? There's a boss, there are there's a second 558 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: in command, and then you've got your captains, then you've 559 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: got your street level soldiers. How does it work? 560 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: So I and absolutely I understand when you're saying RICO. 561 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: I was a RICO agent in New Jersey for twenty years. 562 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: I took out MS thirteen with two big, massive RICO investigations, 563 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 2: So I understand RICO investigations. I understand. Yes, this is 564 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 2: all structure. There has to be. It is a command 565 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 2: there's bosses, there's you know, section bosses, and there's different 566 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,520 Speaker 2: you know, all the way down to the street level, 567 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: and then drug trafficking, and then you were going to 568 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 2: have command structures of human trafficking, weapons trafficking. So it 569 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,919 Speaker 2: is all organized. It's all divided because you not, you 570 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 2: had chaos because this is a billions of dollars industry 571 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 2: and there has to be structured an organization. And if 572 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 2: you're not structured and organized like these these cartels are 573 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,919 Speaker 2: other cartels that are structured and organized will wipe you 574 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 2: out in an instant without command structure, without communications they have. 575 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 2: They're beyond advance with what they have at their disposal. 576 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 2: Like I said, they've sent people to the Ukraine to 577 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 2: train weapons, to train drone strikes. They utilize cell phones, 578 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,239 Speaker 2: tracking system. They understand the most advanced technology because they 579 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,359 Speaker 2: have billions of dollars at their disposal. So it definitely 580 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 2: is a command structure. It definitely has a hierarchy. They're organized, 581 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 2: it's it's a billion dollar company, just like any other 582 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 2: company here in the United States. There has to be 583 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: someone at the boss, and there has to be worker beason, 584 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 2: there's got to be at the ditch, diggers everywhere in between. 585 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 2: It's all about giving orders, following orders, and the money 586 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 2: is controlling everything. 587 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: I know that you've got others waiting for you. Let 588 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: me just ask you one last question. I really appreciate 589 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: the time and the access when we've got to do 590 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: it again, Dan, I love the knowledge. Let me let 591 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 1: me just ask you one last question. Ken, the Mexican 592 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: government if it wanted to take the cartels out. The 593 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: reason I ask is there's always this insinuation that they 594 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,879 Speaker 1: own the Mexican government, that they owned the federalities. Obviously 595 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 1: they don't own the National Guards. They're killing them. They 596 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to kill them that they own them. Is there? 597 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 1: First of all? Is there the wherewithal? And is there 598 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: the ability? I mean, do they want to and could 599 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: they if they wanted to get rid of the cartels? 600 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: No, I don't believe that they have the ability to 601 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 2: destroy the cartels. First of all, this is a billion 602 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: dollar industry. There's a billion dollar companies, companies, and they 603 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 2: have a tremendous amount of resources at their disposal. But 604 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: most importantly, the president of Mexico serves one term six years. 605 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: They come up with a plan when they take office. 606 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 2: President Steinbaum came in and said, I want to do X, 607 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 2: Y and Z by the time she is out of office, 608 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 2: by the time she's able to start implementing her changes. 609 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: That takes one to two years. And then they start 610 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 2: making the changes. By the time she's getting ready to 611 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: leave office, and then the next president coming in, they've 612 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: come up with a new plan, a new team, so 613 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 2: it completely erases it and they start to scratch as zero. 614 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 2: So no, and I believe that the power of influence, 615 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 2: the power of the money, is too much for somebody. 616 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: So I believe that there's a lot of corruption in 617 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 2: the Mexican government, Mexican law enforcement. So I believe that 618 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 2: that's way too powerful of a tool for the Mexican 619 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: cartels to get destroyed. So I don't believe it. So 620 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 2: I don't believe we'll ever win the war on drugs. 621 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 2: I believe that now that Elmento has been taken out, 622 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 2: somebody else is going to replace him, and that the drugs, 623 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 2: the drug war will continue. We will just continue to 624 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: fight on our side of the border, and if we 625 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 2: have to, we continue taking them out, continue providing support 626 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 2: to Mexican authorities, Mexican military, and to take them out 627 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 2: and just to have them just go from one square 628 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: to the next fear for their lives and then hopefully, 629 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 2: you know, we were able to slow the tide a 630 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,880 Speaker 2: little bit, but I don't think we'll ever get them 631 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 2: destroyed now. I think it's too powerful of a tool. 632 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: I didn't realize it was just one term. So these 633 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,480 Speaker 1: people are getting elected president by saying I'm going to 634 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: take on the cartel. Then they don't have time to 635 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: do it, or they don't have the wherewithal, they don't 636 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: want to have the want to do it. Then the 637 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 1: next person comes in and does the same thing. Is 638 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: there a huge cartel money being being paid for these 639 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: political ads and to get these people in office? 640 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: I believe that that there is. I mean, I'm not 641 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: obviously to current you know what you're looking at. You 642 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 2: see on media you can talk to I watched Mexican 643 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 2: National TV News. You can see the influence just like 644 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: an El Salvador and Bukel and MS thirteen, how they 645 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 2: influence even though they're they're almost a silent partner. Absolutely, 646 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 2: I believe the money is way too powerful and it's 647 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 2: it's it's part of the system. 648 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: Now, this has been extremely enlightening. Daniel Daniel Brunner go 649 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: and check him out brunnersierragroup dot com. He's a former 650 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: FBI Special Supervisory special Agent and I just love the knowledge. 651 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: You went everywhere with me. Let's do it again very soon, 652 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: my man. 653 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: Thank you great Joff, I'll talk to you soon. 654 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Unshaken and Unafraid with 655 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 1: Joe PAGs another one who drop very soon. Keep it 656 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: right here, make sure you subscribe.