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Speaker 2: Hello, everybody, Welcome back in for another episode of the

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Speaker 2: Built Different Podcast. As always, I'll be your host today,

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Speaker 2: doctor Zach Clinton, and this is an interview I've been

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Speaker 2: looking forward to for a while because even though I'm

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Speaker 2: a diehard Pittsburgh Steelers fan, today I get to sit

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Speaker 2: down with the enemy right in a sense. The Dallas

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Speaker 2: Cowboys legend, the playmaker, Michael Irvin. He's the Hall of

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Speaker 2: Fame wide receiver, a three time Super Bowl champion, one

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Speaker 2: of the fiercest competitors the game has ever seen. But

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Speaker 2: behind the fame, behind the lights, behind the legacy, was

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Speaker 2: a man fighting battles far bigger than football. Things that

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Speaker 2: he's been very open about, addiction, brokenness, suffering. But then,

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Speaker 2: just like all of our lives, there was a grace.

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Speaker 2: In two thousand and one. Everything changed when Michael Irvins

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Speaker 2: surrendered his life to Jesus Christ. And what followed wasn't perfection,

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Speaker 2: it was transformation. And today we're not just talking about football.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about faith, overcoming adversity, redemption and what it

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Speaker 2: really means to be faithful over famous. Michael, my friend,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining me on the show.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Bild Different Podcas.

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Speaker 3: I love the name built different because all of us,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's a double untundrum.

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Speaker 4: Really, we're all built.

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Speaker 3: Different, all uniquely divinely made, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: But the built different also says that you know, I'm

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Speaker 3: committed to like what I like to say, Doc is

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Speaker 3: when we go through the prayers and you hear God said,

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Speaker 3: let it be done on earth as it is in heaven.

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Speaker 3: You know what can be done on earth as it

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Speaker 3: is in heaven. And I think through even that prayer,

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Speaker 3: and I said, what in heaven God is? He's a

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Speaker 3: king over his domain, over that domain. So he's a

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Speaker 3: men to be kings over our domain that that I

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Speaker 3: have given you the shepherd, You shepherd, you see what

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Speaker 3: so he's telling us to be great fathers.

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Speaker 4: I love that piece of it.

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Speaker 1: Michael.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait for this conversation. Like I said, I've

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Speaker 2: been looking forward to it for a while, because, Man,

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Speaker 2: you are everywhere. The question isn't where is Michael Iban,

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Speaker 2: it's where is he not? You're all over television, You're

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Speaker 2: on the sidelines all over the place, You're hosting shows.

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Speaker 2: God's doing something special and in through your life. I think,

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Speaker 2: just to begin, I just want to know what are

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Speaker 3: You know what seeing my mom's words, I'm too fouition. No,

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Speaker 3: is no longer in time. They are in eternity. But

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Speaker 3: my mom would always say, Doc, when I was a kid,

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Speaker 4: So that's where it all started. My mom used to.

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Speaker 3: Tell me that God told me you're going to be

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Speaker 3: you hold such a position, you're too hot. You're too

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Speaker 3: that's what I love because God has given me opportunity. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: You know, all of that you have. It's so funny.

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Speaker 3: Somebody said to me, Michael, A'm bringing God over here.

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Speaker 3: You know, I told my mom, I may be able

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Speaker 1: Michael.

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Speaker 2: I love hearing that from you because like you said,

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Speaker 2: to Steward right, and it's just hearing a praying Mama,

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Speaker 2: these prayers coming to fruition through you today and just

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Speaker 2: continuing to recognize that God has his hand on your life,

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Speaker 2: that God has given you platforms and pedestals, and you

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Speaker 2: know what, like you said, when you're given those things,

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Speaker 2: to who much is given, much is required. And here

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Speaker 2: you are continuing to bring the good news of the Gospel,

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Speaker 2: being able to expose your faith in places that may

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Speaker 2: And my friend, you know, as you mentioned, I want

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Speaker 2: to have a very in depth conversation about your faith

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Speaker 2: But you know, I just wanted to touch on Miami

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Speaker 2: here for a moment. Miami's run was pretty incredible this

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Speaker 3: You know, and watching this team and people doctor what

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Speaker 3: When I'm watching those guys on the field, you know,

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Speaker 3: And it's nothing, It's nothing, nothing in this world more

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Speaker 3: I said, listen, right here, right now, determines how you

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Speaker 3: that you cannot have what I call individual isolated success. Basketball,

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Speaker 3: You don't need any other teammates to do that. There's

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Speaker 2: Like you mentioned, football is a great game, it's a

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Speaker 2: It was, It definitely was. And then Caleb downs Is,

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Speaker 3: We must focus on winning. That's how we get everything else.

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Speaker 2: year span.

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Speaker 1: But I want to talk about the triplets here first.

437
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,399
Speaker 2: That and Troy eight mean, Emmett Smith and you Michael

438
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,359
Speaker 2: Lrvin quarterback, running back, wide receiver. Doesn't get much better

439
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: than that. I'm interested just the impact that maybe Troy

440
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: and Emmett had on your life. And is that still

441
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: something that carries out to today.

442
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, and and and that's why in bringing

443
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,360
Speaker 3: it up. It's phenomenal relationship we still have to this day.

444
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 3: You know, we we've had we've had such great success

445
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,439
Speaker 3: on the football field together, but we came from you know,

446
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 3: uh not not such a great place, and we build

447
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 3: it together.

448
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: And that journey is what made that game.

449
00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 3: That first super Bowl, that first touchdown so great because

450
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 3: just four years before that, before that, people are like,

451
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 3: no way, you know that this isn't working, you know,

452
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 3: And then and then we made that commitment and we

453
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: got it together and we have never had an issue. Now,

454
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,200
Speaker 3: Troy is a choice choice just he's the greatest.

455
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:58,080
Speaker 4: He really is. He's the greatest dude in the world.

456
00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 4: I love him.

457
00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: I appreciate them as quarterback, and I love no man

458
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,480
Speaker 3: like I love that man. You know, he's always been

459
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 3: there for me. It really has, even in my lowest moments.

460
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 3: And when I you know, when I was in court

461
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: for some for some of the mess I was doing,

462
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 3: I was so I was like, man, I can't take this,

463
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 3: and it bothers me to see like this. I said,

464
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: don't worry, let me do, let me do my time,

465
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: let me do what I gotta do. I made a

466
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: bad decision that saw me. Let let me do what

467
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 3: I gotta do. He said, no, I'm gonna come. I said,

468
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: do not come. Don't come. I don't want that. I

469
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 3: don't want to put you in this. Do not come.

470
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 3: And he showed up. Anyway, doctor, you know, we're as men.

471
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 3: We will say things like that because you know, I'm like, listen, man,

472
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 3: And I was a minute like I don't want people

473
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 3: to throw you in it this, you know, really don't come.

474
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: But you know he shows up and he tells you

475
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,439
Speaker 3: how much that really meant to you. You know, it

476
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,880
Speaker 3: meant everything that he showed up after I told him

477
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,520
Speaker 3: not to come and and you know, to me, that's

478
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 3: just everything. But Troy's a stern, straight, just just so mature,

479
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 3: so straight kind of a guy, you know. And we

480
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: it took a while, you know, because every time we talk,

481
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 3: I would say, at the end of the day, man,

482
00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: love you guys, love you guy, and Fir Troy, Yeah, gotcha, gotcha, bro, gotcha, bro,

483
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: gotcha bro. But now years later, you finally he'll say

484
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: I love you back. We all just say I love you.

485
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: We could.

486
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: It was harder to get them when they were younger,

487
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 3: you know, said I come from a big family. We

488
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 3: see it all the time, and it's not something football

489
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,960
Speaker 3: players save to each other, you know, all the time.

490
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 3: But me, Troy, emmett in Dion, you could put Dion

491
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 3: in there too. Now that's something we were we and

492
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,919
Speaker 3: we say because Dion says we makes us say it.

493
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: We don't say I love you to death. We'll say

494
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 3: I love you to life. We won't even speak to

495
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: death part because you know, you manifest what comes out

496
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 3: of your mouth. So we always love you to life, man.

497
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 3: And I think that that's a beautiful thing. They have

498
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: grown men that accomplished be that transparent with each other.

499
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, Michael, I think it's important that we

500
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,360
Speaker 2: have friends for the fire. We have that band, right men,

501
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: that we can do life with that, we can be

502
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: honest with that, we can be vulnerable with that, we're

503
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 2: not afraid to share those seasons of suffering because shared

504
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 2: suffering is the only way to do suffering. And Michael,

505
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: you know, I was just thinking about this idea of

506
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,919
Speaker 2: you being called the playmaker, probably at a very young age,

507
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: and I'll just be real with you. I work with

508
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 2: a lot of athletes who have platforms and have pedestals,

509
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: and you know, they have all the followers, but at

510
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 2: the end of the day, there's a lot of emptiness

511
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: because they feel like they have to live up to

512
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: the expectation of being the playmaker all the time, or somehow,

513
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 2: some way that name or that nickname becomes their identity

514
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: and maybe it boosts up their pride or the boosts

515
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: their head a little bit, blows them up, and then

516
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, we sometimes can fall into making

517
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,560
Speaker 2: decisions that maybe we're not very proud of.

518
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: And you've been very open.

519
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate your honesty and your vulnerability talking about just

520
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,160
Speaker 2: even some of the things when it comes to a decision,

521
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 2: or it comes to addiction, or it comes to brokenness,

522
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 2: or it comes to suffering. But I'm just interested what's

523
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: going through a young Michael Irvin who's at the peak

524
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: of his career, going through all of the things that

525
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: you had to navigate injury included the spinal cord, the

526
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: neck injury that really forced you into retirement. Like, how

527
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: did you hit a low point? Was there a moment

528
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: in life where it was like, man, you have to

529
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,159
Speaker 2: give this all over because you can't keep going the

530
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: way that you're going. Was there a moment like that

531
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: for you?

532
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: You know?

533
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 3: And there are always there a few moments for me,

534
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: God be honest with you. And because you know, my

535
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 3: father was a pastor, you know, so I call myself

536
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 3: blessed in this sense. And I think God has given

537
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,719
Speaker 3: me a great understanding and given me and put me

538
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: in a lot of different atmosphere and situations. You know,

539
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 3: I grew up my dad was a pastor, you know,

540
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 3: and the revenue irv and we were in a primitive

541
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 3: Baptist church. That means, you know, you're in church nine

542
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 3: to four and afternoon you break for lunch and I

543
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 3: mean it's all day service.

544
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, on a Sunday.

545
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 3: I went to Primitive Baptist then then got kicked out

546
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 3: of public schools early, then went to a private school,

547
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 3: Saint Thomas Aquinas Catholic School. It's a Catholic school. So

548
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 3: I learned from Primitive Baptists. Then I learned from a

549
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 3: Catholic school. Then got to work with rich Eyes and

550
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 3: and and I do, but I did.

551
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 4: Richard a great friend of mine.

552
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: So I did his his his baby naming ceremony by

553
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: Miss Foods. And I'm telling you, I see, I see

554
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 3: certain elements in all of it that we should implement

555
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: in all of us.

556
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: You see what I mean.

557
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 3: And I get so caught up with the discipline and

558
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: all of us that men put on spirituality and try

559
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 3: to funnel it like the baby naming ceremony.

560
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 4: I try to tell my people about this.

561
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 3: That was such an experience for me to be in

562
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 3: a Jewish house and see what they do when they

563
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: have birth of a baby. Everybody's coming, everybody's holding up

564
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 3: the name, holding up the baby, speaking what the name means,

565
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 3: and they're passing the baby to the next group and speak.

566
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 3: That's phenomenal. That's phenomenal and at all now videotaping it.

567
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 3: Let me tell you why I say it's phenomenal. So

568
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 3: so you do a baby naming and you got all

569
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: that on the video tape and everybody's watching. Then at

570
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen sixteen they do a by misful right, and

571
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: you have all that on video tape to come back

572
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 3: and watch. And then like a young Michael Irvin, you

573
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: get nineteen twenty twenty one says train them up in

574
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: the way and when they stray, they'll find their way back.

575
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 3: Let me tell you they have tools to help them

576
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: find their way back, because the baby naming ceremony has

577
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 3: been all filmed to say this is what your name means,

578
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: this is what you should be doing. And then if

579
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 3: I Missigal, this is what you should be doing.

580
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 4: So they have tools to.

581
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 3: Help them find themselves again, Prodigal son, we do the

582
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: same thing. We spend money and we call it a

583
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: baby shower, and everybody do. They come in to dance.

584
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 3: But what good is that when the kids strays, he

585
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 3: comes back to see his baby shower and just a

586
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 3: bunch of old people dancing. What good is that gonna

587
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 3: help him find his way?

588
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 2: Back.

589
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: What good is a sweet sixteen where he gets when

590
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 3: he gets lost and he's trying to find his way

591
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: back and he comes and just see a bunch of

592
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: people at the party and dancing. I was like, I

593
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 3: don't care that you do the party, but make it

594
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: have something. If you want to do a baby, shall

595
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: you make it have something to it. You talk the

596
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 3: name of this baby so that baby can understand it's

597
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 3: not for you to come and get drunk and go crazy.

598
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: It's something for the baby for later on. I think

599
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: we have to implement stuff like this to be better,

600
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: for us to be better. And well, no, that's what

601
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: Jewish people do. That that's what we all should be doing,

602
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying.

603
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you know, and as you're mentioning, it's like that

604
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 2: rite of passage, that idea of reminding yourself of who

605
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: you are because of whose you are, like you said,

606
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: training us up in the way we should walk to

607
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 2: that later on in life we would not depart from it.

608
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 2: But those who strayed from it can't find a way

609
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: back into the relationship with God.

610
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: And I agree with what you're saying.

611
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: That religious dogma, right, there's a lot of people who

612
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 2: just go through routines, but it's really understanding, like what

613
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 2: a relationship with Jesus is all about. And I know

614
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 2: I'm a firm believer of this, Michael, that sometimes you

615
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: have to hit rock bottom in order to recognize that

616
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 2: God is the rock at the bottom it Sometimes. My

617
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: dad told me this as a young kid growing up, Michael,

618
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 2: that it's your moments of powerlessness zact that will draw

619
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: you closer to and reveal the character of God's heart

620
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 2: the most. And I'm just thinking of Michael Irvin in

621
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 2: the pinnacle of his career when all of those things

622
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: were going on, and there's a lot of different things

623
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 2: in and out of court, a lot of challenges up

624
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: against you. But in two thousand and one, I've heard

625
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: you say that you found your way and you surrendered

626
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: your life to Jesus. And I'm interested what that change

627
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: or what that transformation. Like you said, it's not perfection.

628
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: Nobody's life is perfect. This is a long obedience in

629
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 2: the same direction, it's a sanctifying process. But for you, Michael,

630
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: what did that day in two thousand and one start

631
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: within you? That is still being sanctified today.

632
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: And I'm so thankful for the man God sent me too, Yes,

633
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: because honestly, God, I was actually trying to run from

634
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 3: this man, the Bishop TD Jakes.

635
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 4: Yes, you know when I got d On here, when

636
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 4: I got Dion to move.

637
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: Over here to Dallas from San Francisco, he came in

638
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: and he got close to Bishop Jake's my wife. Before

639
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 3: Dion got here in ninety four five, my wife would

640
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: have him on all day. I mean, you know, because

641
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 3: I'm out in the streets and she's trying to do

642
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: her little piece to get me right, you know. So

643
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: no matter what room I walked in, this big joke

644
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 3: on TV, you know, and I'm like, okay that she's

645
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: just doing this. You know, she's let's see what she's

646
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: trying to bring me back. That's what That's what she

647
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 3: was doing, you straight. I'm trying to get you back right,

648
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: you know. So so I would see him everywhere, and

649
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 3: then Dion came, you know, and Dion somehow met him,

650
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: and then Dean would bring him over to the house

651
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: in plants we're doing Bible study. Used to Bible study,

652
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: and one time at Dion's house, I got up and

653
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: went to the bathroom.

654
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 4: Bishop comes in the bathroom. I'm literally he was in

655
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 4: the bathroom.

656
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 3: And and he's behind me, and he's like, God's telling

657
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 3: me you're running from something.

658
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: Okay, Joa, what's up? Man? Use the bathroom here, you know.

659
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 3: And you always said, well, I'm just telling you, God

660
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: telling me you're running from something. And you know, I

661
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: sat and talked with them real cord, right, but left

662
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: and I from that day on, I was running from him.

663
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 3: You see what I'm saying. If you say you're already

664
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: talking to God about me, okay, that's it. I'm writing

665
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 3: from you, so you I was. I would dodge him

666
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: even when I wanted to. You know, I started at

667
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 3: when I retired. I retired. Ninety nine was the last

668
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 3: time I played. In two thousand. I retired, I realized

669
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 3: I had been been all my career right playing ball

670
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: off seasons. Come after we went a Super Bowl as February.

671
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 3: That's the first weekend in February. So I'll have all

672
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 3: the way till March fifth, and then I would party

673
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: and go have fun, travel and chase women, do all

674
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: kinds of.

675
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 4: Stuff for that whole month and a half of that month.

676
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 3: And then and then and then I'm telling you, right

677
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: after that March fifth, little party thing. I would have

678
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 3: start training and I would stop doing everything because I

679
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: was training and it was and I'm fine. And I

680
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: would see people and I put my mouth on people

681
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: because they would get lost in drugs and stuff, and

682
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 3: I said, how did you get lost?

683
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 4: Why can't you? I don't know why you can't stop?

684
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 4: I could stop.

685
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: I do it.

686
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 4: I missed. I stopped. I just stopped. You just got

687
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: to make your mind up to stop now. Now once

688
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 4: I retire, it crystallized. You see.

689
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 3: I was saying I stopped, but I didn't necessarily stop.

690
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 3: What I was doing was switching addictions.

691
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 4: You see.

692
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: Football is an addiction for me, and it's some good addictions,

693
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 3: a positive addiction. I just stayed to it. Put my

694
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: so I got football all, you know. Then I'll see

695
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 3: the football's gone. Now I'm getting high, having fun, doing

696
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 3: what I want to do.

697
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 4: Football coming around again. Damn I to drop that now,

698
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 4: you know.

699
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 3: When I retired into ninety nine two thousand and I

700
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 3: would say to myself, all right, I'm gonna go one

701
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 3: more week and have fun, said stop, focus on what

702
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: I'm doing next. And week went by, found myself doing

703
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: something again. Then I would say it again okay, one more, three,

704
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 3: this the last weekend, and carry it on for a minute,

705
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: and then I had to come and be like, wait

706
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 3: a minute, whoa, whoa. I've said that's it a few

707
00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: times and I'm still fine. And and it was through

708
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: my wife one time, you know. I said, baby, I'm

709
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 3: gonna grow up the street and I'll be back right

710
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: and she said, okay, you promise. I said, I promise, baby,

711
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 3: I'll come back and score up before it better than

712
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: hour hour and a half no more. When out ran

713
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 3: into some girls, stayed out all night though all night.

714
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: I'll never forget it. It was Valentine's and I was

715
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 3: out all night, man, and I remember coming home and

716
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: my wife said to me, she said, baby, you lie

717
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 3: to me. And I said, baby, I lied to me.

718
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 3: I lied to me, you know. And that was when

719
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 3: I realized I had been lying to me. You know,

720
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: this is a problem, and I just I had been

721
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: switching addictions, and now I didn't have that switch, so

722
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: I couldn't turn it off, you know. And so I

723
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: had been lying to me, and I had to find

724
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 3: out and get some help. And now I went to

725
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: the other pastors because I didn't want to go to

726
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: Bishop Jays. I went to other pastors to try to

727
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: get some counseling, but I never felt like I was

728
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: picking up my mail where I was when I tried

729
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 3: those other places. I walked into part of the house

730
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 3: basically like I don't know what else to do here.

731
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: And Bishop, I'll never forget he was preaching, it's time

732
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 3: to come out the ring.

733
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 4: Dude.

734
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 3: He said it exactly. He said, everybody sees you. I felt,

735
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: you know, you felt like, oh, it's joking on That

736
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: mail was delivered just like this one with my name

737
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: on it. That you see that that says my name

738
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: order Mike word, that's where he delivered my mail.

739
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 4: Right there.

740
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: He said, everybody see you driving the fancy cars, and

741
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 3: you got the nice clothes and got a fat bank account,

742
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: and they think you got it all together. But you

743
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 3: falling apart, drenched and falling a party says the day

744
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,399
Speaker 3: of your day, come to this altar and you get

745
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: out to reign. I'll never forget that. And I went

746
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 3: to that altar. I laid down on that altar and

747
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 3: Bishop came to me in church and he said, we've

748
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 3: been waiting on you messed me up. And then he

749
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: said to me. He got he said, he said, this

750
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: is my son. You will travel with me. I want

751
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 3: to make sure that God all the way in before

752
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: I let you out of my eyesight. So I traveled

753
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: with him as his holmor bear Wow for quite a while,

754
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 3: whenever he went to preach. We were doing a time

755
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 3: life project. He was doing a time life project of

756
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: video time life and we were shooting in La. I'll

757
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 3: never forget. We were going to La to promote it.

758
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 3: I'm his honor bear, I'm kid. We were walking in

759
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 3: to the radio show to do a Steve Harvey interview.

760
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: You know, Steve Harvey's my God. Steve Harvey was right

761
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 3: here in Dallas with me when I got here. He

762
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: had his own comedy club, and I used to go

763
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 3: and be with him over his comedy club.

764
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 4: So when we walk in to to Steve Harvey's.

765
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: Radio show, I remember him saying, oh my god, folks

766
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: coming up next, Bishop td Jakes, And I'm gonna tell

767
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: you right now, you had somebody with him. And I'll

768
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: never forget he said this. He said, folks, He said

769
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: td Jakes had somebody with him. And if God gets

770
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 3: saved him, Bob gets saved anybody.

771
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 4: Bishop td Jakes and Mike Herby.

772
00:39:54,520 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 3: Next Boo, Wow, I was mad at five because I'm thinking, Oh,

773
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 3: what are you trying to say? You know, because I'm young,

774
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm new into this, man, that's what

775
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 3: you trying to say. You trying to say I'm so bad,

776
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: you know.

777
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 4: But but I was. But but I realized that that's

778
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 4: that's part of God's planning. What don't be mad about this?

779
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: Mike, Wait a minute, so so so they put it

780
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: out like that when you were when I was running around.

781
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 4: Now, let's let them put it out like this, right.

782
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: So he was right.

783
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 3: If God can save him, God can save anybody and

784
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 3: for you. For a while, that messed with me until

785
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 3: I got more more tour in it. But but Bishop,

786
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: I love him. I love him for taking that time

787
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 3: to making sure that the word is ingrafted. That's what

788
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: he would always say to me. I got to make

789
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: sure the word is ingrafted so we can do what

790
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 3: God has ordered you to do. So yeah, I love him.

791
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: That that's how that started.

792
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: It's amazing, Michael. I'm grateful. You know, our family is

793
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: grateful for Bishop td Jakes. My dad is pre and

794
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 2: spoken several times in the Potter's house over the years,

795
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,320
Speaker 2: and so we have a deep relationship. I know my

796
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 2: dad admires him and respects him so deeply. And the

797
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 2: work that God has done and the work that He

798
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 2: has done in and through your life and just continuing

799
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: to guide you home. You know, as I think about you,

800
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,359
Speaker 2: and I think about your story, and I think about

801
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: what Steve Harvey even said, just this idea that man

802
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,280
Speaker 2: God can redeem what has been broken, and there's beauty

803
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: in his grace. There's beauty in the extension of something

804
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 2: that we do not deserve, because his love and his

805
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: grace and his mercy and his forgiveness are something that

806
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 2: we could never earn because he doesn't ask us to.

807
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking about you here for a moment, Michael,

808
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: just thinking about somebody out there today who's listening or

809
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: who's watching that feels like, you know what, I'm too

810
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: far gone, or you know, I've gone too far astray,

811
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 2: or maybe I'm that prodigal and I want to come home,

812
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure how my father's going to welcome me.

813
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: What's a word of encouragement that you would give that

814
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 2: person today about the grace and the warmth and the

815
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: embrace of Christ that is waiting on them to just

816
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 2: come back home.

817
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 3: Come back home, and and and come back home with

818
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 3: the right heart, you know, because there's pain that's been

819
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 3: going on with whatever you've been dealing it. Both ways, yes,

820
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 3: both ways. I'm sure thankful for Bishop and all of that.

821
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 3: He's taught me through the process. Like when I when

822
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: I retired, you know, when I retired and I started

823
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: coming home. You know, the first thing Bishop said to

824
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: me and say, he work your way back home. That's

825
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: what you mean, you know, the man in the ego,

826
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 3: what are you talking about. I pay all them bills.

827
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna work my way back home.

828
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: That's my house.

829
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: And you know, and he explains it to me this ways,

830
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: his son who've been on the road working, doing what

831
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: you have to do. The house has been running, and

832
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 3: they ran the house well without you don't come back

833
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: trying to get it right, trying to boss everybody around

834
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: because they're out on the field bosting around, defensive back seating.

835
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 4: Or you know what I'm saying. So I was like,

836
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: you know, that does make sense.

837
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 3: And if you look at the divorce rate of retired players,

838
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: it's hot. Yeah, because they're trying to transition. They no

839
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: longer have opponents to fight, so then you go home

840
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 3: and fight there, and that becomes an opponent, and now

841
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,959
Speaker 3: you're gone. You know, just all of this was saying.

842
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 3: You know, around forty five fifty, she's going to start changing.

843
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: You're going to see some mental policy issues. Don't take

844
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 3: it personally, don't be coming back and what don't be

845
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 3: taking it personally.

846
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 4: This is part of the process.

847
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 3: You know, that kind of guy, that kind of mentoring

848
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 3: is the world because somebody before you has gone and

849
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 3: ran that race, so now they're helping you. Here hints

850
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: is why the word says profess one to another, crazy

851
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 3: one for the other.

852
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 4: Somebody else is going ahead.

853
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: If we're talking about the journey, will get some knowledge

854
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 3: about where we're going because we're supposed to share that.

855
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 3: That that I think is very crucial, very crusive. Being

856
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: able to open up and share with somebody and talk

857
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 3: about what you're going through.

858
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 4: I always crucial for Bishop to.

859
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 3: Make sure these are some things I probably would have

860
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: been afraid to ask, but he knew already what to

861
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 3: prepare me for. So so when things happened and my

862
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 3: wife did start going with the menopause, and he say,

863
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 3: don't take that personally.

864
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 4: They got nothing to do with you.

865
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: Don't even act like that, you know, like you know,

866
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 3: because if it's a defensive bagg of taking it personally,

867
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 3: I don't know whop your book, you know, and you

868
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: take that mentality everywhere. So it's been that great that

869
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 3: I appreciate. Now you asked me something. I want to

870
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 3: say this everywhere I go because people love sports. There

871
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: are always people coming around. But you know, I I

872
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 3: try to always remember what you said earlier. Well, God,

873
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: to who much is given, much is required, you know,

874
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 3: And I say, I don't ever want my profession to

875
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 3: be bigger than my person. You gotta, you know, you

876
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 3: gotta make sure you don't make you don't make what

877
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 3: you do bigger than who you are. And I am

878
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,919
Speaker 3: God's child, so so so you don't know who God

879
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 3: is sending to you. So I have to monitor me.

880
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 3: I have to monitor that I'm accepting. I want to

881
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 3: be open to it. And if I am not, say

882
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 3: that long day and maybe I wasn't as cordial as

883
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 3: somebody's wanting to autograph for a picture.

884
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 4: That vexed me.

885
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 3: It vexes me because I'm saying, I don't know. You know,

886
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: I don't know who God sinds. So I have to

887
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: be right for everybody. And you know that I think

888
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: is very important. Don't make what I do bigger than

889
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 3: who I am. I'm God's servant. I did football, you

890
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying. But I am God's servant. I

891
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 3: did football, and now we're going to use football. If

892
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 3: I am that way, and you know, not cordial people,

893
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: not right with people, how can he use me? The

894
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: only way God can you? The only way God shows

895
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 3: us He loves us. He uses others to do that.

896
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: He sends people for you. So I have to be

897
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 3: available and I don't know when He's sending so I

898
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 3: have to make sure my spirit is right when people

899
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 3: approach me.

900
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 4: So I try to always keep that in my mind.

901
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 2: Michael, I have just a couple final questions for you,

902
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 2: and I'm just thinking about your entire story that you've

903
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 2: unpacked for us today. And like I said, I so

904
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: appreciate your honesty, your vulnerability, because I think those are

905
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: the things that break down the walls and the barriers

906
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 2: to those that maybe are wandering away, that have straight

907
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: away from God to know that there is hope, there

908
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: is grace, there is redemption for them, And I'm just

909
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 2: thinking about you know, when it comes to this journey

910
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: of spirituality and building a relationship with Christ, this is

911
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: a process.

912
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 4: Again.

913
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: We talked about sanctification, becoming more like Christ every day,

914
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 2: but it starts with simply spending time with Him. And

915
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 2: God will place people in our lives like the TD

916
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: Jakes's or those that will impact us that will draw

917
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: us back on track. He will use people as conduits

918
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 2: through which He channels his message of love and forgiveness

919
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 2: in our lives. But I'm interested what are some of

920
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: the disciplines that you are engaging in on a daily,

921
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: weekly basis that keep you anchored in your faith because

922
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: there might be somebody out there it's like, you know what,

923
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: I'm just starting this journey. But man, it's a process.

924
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:35,839
Speaker 3: Every day.

925
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: We're all the work in progress.

926
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:38,800
Speaker 3: So what do you do?

927
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 1: Michael right?

928
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 3: And we all we are all a work in process.

929
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 3: But what you have to do and what I try

930
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,240
Speaker 3: to do, it's be mindful and guard my gates, your gates,

931
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: our gates. We got five gates to bring information into

932
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 3: our soul. Your I gate, your gate, you know gate

933
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 3: your mouth gate, and you're a touch gate that brings

934
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: information into our soul. I want to guard those gates.

935
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make sure that they are that they are right,

936
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 3: and they're bringing the right things in and not letting

937
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 3: the wrong things come in. You know. I want to

938
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: make sure every day that I am available, trying to

939
00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 3: be available.

940
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 4: So so how do I guard my gates? Every morning?

941
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 3: I wake up, doctor, I want to when I'm put

942
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 3: in two prostitutes, I'm in the mirror. So I don't

943
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 3: wake up and grab this and start strolling, because that way,

944
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,720
Speaker 3: I'm letting the world in right away.

945
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 4: The Bible talks about first fruits. The Bible talks about

946
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: first fruits. I get up in the morning. I want

947
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 4: to be.

948
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 3: Praying and preparing me before I touched the world. You

949
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying. So I'm getting up, I'm praying,

950
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 3: thank you Father for another day, and then by that time,

951
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: I'm in that mirror.

952
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 4: Now, let's go win this day that you have been given.

953
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 4: You know, I'm pumping me up. I'm getting me ready.

954
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: Now I can receive the world and whatever they have

955
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: because I have prepared me.

956
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 4: I believe. I believe in this whole ardly.

957
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 3: I believe in this hard and I even speak to

958
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: it sometimes when I do corporations and corporation speakings or organizations,

959
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 3: I come up with things like how to see your

960
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 3: way to a championship? Doctor, right, yes, and I'll give

961
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 3: you six seeds. Six seeds, not not your iGATE, don't

962
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: use your divince. I'm gonna give you six seeds. The

963
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: first will be called. Know that you're called. Whatever you're doing,

964
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: you know what you're called. I don't care if you're

965
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: in the mail room and your call to the CEO

966
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: position in your spirit. Once you know you are called,

967
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: you will handle that mail room job a little differently.

968
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 3: And if you know you are called, it changes your

969
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: daily routine. You see, if you're called to do be

970
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 3: the CEO. But even if you start in the mail room,

971
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: you're waking up every day not duty bound, but destiny

972
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 3: bound because you notice your calling. You know, at most

973
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 3: of the world, my mom, most of the world wakes

974
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 3: up every day duty bound and they hated, man, I

975
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 3: gotta do this. But but when when your called to something,

976
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 3: you wake up, you wake up destiny. Well, I got

977
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 3: another day to go fulfill my destiny. It's a whole

978
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 3: change a perspective and then a second sey would be

979
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: so couraged. Once you chalge, once you share people that

980
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: you have a great call and in you. They didn't

981
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 3: see that call. So like me and Elsa, you better

982
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: have a bank up plan literally, so you gotta show

983
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: courage to stick to the call and that God has

984
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 3: told you showed you in you show courage. The third

985
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: one is you got to wake up every day and

986
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 3: challenge yourself. You challenge yourself. You challenge yourself every day.

987
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 3: Everybody around you seeing that, and what do they do?

988
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 3: Then they'll start challenging themselves and what do we have?

989
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,839
Speaker 3: We have that four sea, which is a natural competition.

990
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 3: You want competition. We want everybody to bring the best

991
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: out of themselves. So they got to compete, and that's

992
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,600
Speaker 3: what we're doing. We're going to compete. Dion and nine

993
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 3: worked out against each other in practice Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

994
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 3: Friday and Saturday we competed. But on Sunday now we're collaborating.

995
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 3: You know, I'm seeing Dion on the field. I'm like,

996
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: hey man, Jared Rice, just put their feet up. When

997
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 3: he put the foot up, he's running slim. Idealy you

998
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 3: see that I'm working with him, you know. So you

999
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 3: go from competing collaboration, and the most important I think

1000
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: out of these first six sees would be celebrations. NFL

1001
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 3: set this up perfectly. They say, anytime you sit on

1002
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: the goal line and your goal is another goal, the

1003
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 3: other goal line, one hundred yards and four downs is

1004
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,479
Speaker 3: way too far. That goal very few people will reach.

1005
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 3: But if we just say, don't worry about the one

1006
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 3: hundred yards, just go ten yards and we'll give you

1007
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 3: a small celebration called first down, you know what I mean.

1008
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 3: And all you gotta do is focus on the first downs.

1009
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 3: First down first, don't worry about the one hundred yards.

1010
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 4: Just to ten. You get ten of those, you'll have

1011
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: one hundred. And that's the kid.

1012
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: You gotta make sure you have celebrations every Sunday. The

1013
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,320
Speaker 3: team got got together to celebrate. We talked about what

1014
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: we did, but we're also talking about what we're about

1015
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 3: to do and next week.

1016
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 4: That's why the celebration is so important.

1017
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 3: It acknowledged what's accomplished, but it also resolidifies what must

1018
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 3: be done moving forward. I give kids under eighteen and

1019
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 3: extra point c. That was six seeds. The extra point

1020
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 3: C is to make sure as you move up in

1021
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: your profession that you have equal growth in your person

1022
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 3: or you will have a big problem like I did

1023
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 3: early on in my career, shooting up in my profession

1024
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: without equal growth and my person put me in some

1025
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 3: bad situations.

1026
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 4: You see what I mean? Now?

1027
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 3: Does those first three seeds call courage and challenge yourself?

1028
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 3: You know you notice something about those? Those are you

1029
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: dealing with you?

1030
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: That's right.

1031
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 3: You have to deal with you first before you hit

1032
00:53:20,719 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 3: those second three seeds. Compete, collaborate, and congratulate, because that's

1033
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 3: you dealing with others.

1034
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 4: Come home, wake up and deal with you before you

1035
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:32,880
Speaker 4: go tap in to others.

1036
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 3: You get right with God before you go try to

1037
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,919
Speaker 3: help others get right with God, is what I'm saying.

1038
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 2: That's a word right there, Michael Irvick. Come on, those

1039
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: are some six golden nuggets plus one, my friend. That's

1040
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 2: what I hope and pray that every listener would begin

1041
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 2: to implement those things and those simple strategies into their

1042
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 2: life every single day, because we need those things to

1043
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: continue to push us to become the man or the

1044
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 2: woman that God has called us to become. I want

1045
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: to close this way with you, my friend the playmaker, right,

1046
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: somebody that has understood what the bright lights mean, somebody

1047
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 2: who has hoisted trophies, somebody who has congratulated and celebrated

1048
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 2: quite a bit. But I'm reminded of of Thessalonians, Chapter four,

1049
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: verses eleven to twelve, and this is what they say.

1050
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: They say, make it your aim or ambition to live

1051
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: or to lead a quiet life, minding your own business,

1052
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 2: working with your hands, just as you've been instructed. Why

1053
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: so that way you might win the respective outsiders and

1054
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: not grow dependent upon anyone. I'm just thinking about someone

1055
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 2: who's experienced fame, someone who's experienced fortunes, somebody who write

1056
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 2: females and all of the things that a lot of

1057
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: athletes to this day would say. Like that's what it's about, though, right,

1058
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 2: But I'm just thinking, like, how does Michael Irvin want

1059
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 2: to be remembered? What legacy do you not just want

1060
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 2: to leave behind, but what legacy does Michael Irvin want

1061
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: to put into motion?

1062
00:54:56,280 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 3: And the great question of legacy iss question because when

1063
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 3: I when I look back and see my journey, you know,

1064
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 3: I think about how I want people to see me,

1065
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: and what you ultimately want.

1066
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 4: It's about what God wants.

1067
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 3: Like this gives me peace right here, Like, dude, I

1068
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 3: lived with such regret on some of the bad decisions

1069
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: that I have made, but have an opportunity to flush

1070
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 3: it out. Talk about it now. It gives it some crezis. Okay,

1071
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: I know, okay, I know why now because God did

1072
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 3: this so I can do this. You know, before I

1073
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 3: was living in a place where, man, why did I

1074
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 3: make that decision?

1075
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 4: If I never would have done this, this would have happened,

1076
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 4: This would have happened.

1077
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: Why couldn't I have a perfect run with no problems

1078
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 3: like Troy had or him it had and everything, and

1079
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 3: then I had to come to the place that's.

1080
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:59,800
Speaker 4: Not that's not what God had for me, you know.

1081
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 4: And that's not what he had for me.

1082
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Speaker 3: He allowed certain things, and he's pulled me out of

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Speaker 3: certain things. Now here's the kicker. Here's a kicker.

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Speaker 4: Doctor. The world will tell you if you have if

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00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 4: you're falling.

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Speaker 3: Into some of these situations that you are no longer useful,

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00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: They say you're not a.

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00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 4: Good role model. So now what you will say? He said, Man,

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Speaker 4: I made those bad decisions and now.

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Speaker 3: I can't do anything with him because I'm not a

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00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 3: the role model, so nobody will listen to me. The

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00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,919
Speaker 3: reality is, the reality is, that's the world speaking, that's

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00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 3: the world. But the reality is, if you are really

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00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 3: in a tough situation, you want to hear from somebody

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00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 3: that came through that situation and God say, that's what

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00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 3: Bishop says to me. God saved you, not for you.

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00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: He would have saved you, and he knows how crazy

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00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 3: you are. He'd have saved you and killed you right

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00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 3: there because he knows that the best you ever going

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00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 3: to be. But he saved you, so you can go

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00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 3: back in them holes and get his kids, the rest

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Speaker 3: of his people. So when they see you, they'll say, oh,

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00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 3: if he came out of it, if God brought him

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00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 3: out of it, he can bring me out of it.

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Speaker 3: And you have to stand You have to stand there

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00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 3: and and take that pride. So now what I used

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00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 3: to run from telling people yeah yeah, or you used

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00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: to want people not to bring it up in interviews

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00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 3: and everything.

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Speaker 4: God was saying that that's wrong, and you know what,

1111
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:35,919
Speaker 4: it's real. It's wrong because it is true.

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Speaker 3: If you don't bring it up, they're gonna always bring

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00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 3: it up. They gonna bring it up to shoot you

1114
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 3: all the time, to shoot you down. And you know

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00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 3: all them why you ain't mentioning this, why you ain't

1116
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: bringing this up right? But if you bring it up,

1117
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 3: and it's the base from which you've been prepared propelled,

1118
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 3: now you rob them and you help the ones you're

1119
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,320
Speaker 3: supposed to help. And that's why God save you. God

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Speaker 3: did save me for me. God save me for his

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00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 3: use to go get the rest of his kids. And

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Speaker 3: I have to be transparent and make myself available to.

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Speaker 4: Be that servant.

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Speaker 2: Our goal is not to be famous, Our goal is

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Speaker 2: not to build a fortune. It's just simply to be

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00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 2: found faithful. Well you just said, Michael reminds me of

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00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 2: Genesis thirty two, where Jacob is literally wrestling with the

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00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 2: Lord God, and all of a sudden, in the midst

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00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 2: of that, it says, the Lord asks a question, what

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00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: is your name?

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00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:32,720
Speaker 4: Right?

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00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 2: And he says Jacob, which means liar, deceiver. You think

1133
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 2: about he believed that shame was his name, but God

1134
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: said no more. He renames him.

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Speaker 1: And that's what he does for all of us.

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00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,120
Speaker 2: And that's what he's done for you, my friend, And

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Speaker 2: I would say this from all of us at ignite

1138
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: in aacc on behalf of my dad and myself. Michael,

1139
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: I'm grateful for you. I can sense that God is

1140
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: doing something special in and through your life, and I

1141
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 2: would encourage you and challenge you, brother to brother, continue

1142
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 2: to own your influence because God is going to continue

1143
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 2: to use you in ways that you could have never thought, asked,

1144
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: or possibly imagined. My friends, so thank you for your testimony,

1145
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 2: thank you for speaking openly and boldly, and thank you

1146
00:59:09,880 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 2: for bringing the Gospel to places that not other people could. So,

1147
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 2: my friend, you are a gift. Grateful that you took

1148
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: some time today to join us on the podcast. Thank

1149
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,840
Speaker 2: you for what God is doing in and through you

1150
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: and dog Think.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for opening the doors. Doc.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this means everything to me. I get to

1153
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: speak a lot of times in a lot of places,

1154
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: but this is what it's all about. And it's important

1155
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 3: guys like you to keep reaching back and getting guys

1156
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 3: that have gone from situations to talk because think about

1157
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, they they would tell you you made

1158
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 3: a mistake.

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Speaker 4: That's it. You can't be a role model, and that's

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00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 4: just simply not true.

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00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 3: If you just brought up Jacob, think about all that

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00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 3: they called Jacob trickster, no good everything what Jacob the

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Speaker 3: you see what I mean? And God, as you said,

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Speaker 3: God delivered a lot through Jacob. So yeah, yeah, So

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Speaker 3: anybody out there, I don't care what you're going through,

1166
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 3: what you've been through, what you've done, doesn't matter, doesn't matter.

1167
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:20,760
Speaker 3: God will use it for his good and ultimately that

1168
01:00:20,920 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 3: will be for your good. So he don't be afraid.

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01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 3: Just lay it at his feet and get moved.

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Speaker 1: And my friend, thank you so much for joining me.

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Speaker 4: Michael any time. Man, I can't wait to see your personally.

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Speaker 2: I want to close this way to all of our

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01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: audience here. Have built different No matter what mistake you've made,

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01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 2: no matter what past you've come through, it does not

1175
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 2: disqualify you from leadership. And I'm reminded of Hosea chapter two.

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Speaker 2: It says that even in the valley of Acre, Acre

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01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: is symbolic of a value of suffering. It says that

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Speaker 2: when we return to the Lord, that a door of

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01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 2: hope will be opened wide. Unto you, shame is no

1180
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: longer your name.

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Speaker 1: God can use you. He can use your story because

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01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: He is not done with you yet.

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Speaker 2: I hope you are as encouraged by Michael Irving today

1184
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 2: as I was. He's not just a playmaker. I believe

1185
01:01:11,880 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: that he is a world changer. Cannot wait to see

1186
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: what God does in and through your life. Thank you

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01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:18,720
Speaker 2: for joining us, love being a part of your life.