1 00:00:02,640 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey, their friend Heather creekmar here, thanks for 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: listening to the Compared to You podcast today. I have 3 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: the stories of three real women, and I know how 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: much you love hearing stories of women who have been 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: maybe on the same or similar journey to you. These 6 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: are three women who have struggled with body image and 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: food issues in a variety of ways. They're different ages 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: from different parts of the country, and I think you're 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: really going to get something out of hearing about their journeys. 10 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're here today. 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And I think 31 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: it might just be a great step for you if 32 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: you're seeking body image of freedom this January. And hey, 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: who isn't glad you're here? Let's get today's great episode. Okay, 34 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: this is one of the most fun types of episodes 35 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: that I get to do. And we'll see if I 36 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: can make it through without crying. Man, I'm gonna start 37 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: crying now. What is my problem is? It is amazing 38 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: to be able to walk with women who are on 39 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: a journey to body image freedom. And that's what we 40 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: have here today. We have three women, just Diane and Patricia, 41 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: who have all started their body image journey. Well, I 42 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: don't know, Maybe started might be an overstatement, but they've 43 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: all been on a body image journey and we hear 44 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: it compared to who had an opportunity to be part 45 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: of that journey. And they're here to share their story 46 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: with you today, and I'm so honored to have them. 47 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: So here's how I'd like to start this lead. Because 48 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: they'll only know you by your voice, I would love 49 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: for us to just to go around and say something simple, 50 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, like your name and maybe your age range. 51 00:03:12,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: You don't have to give us your age, but your 52 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: age range, maybe where you live, and maybe just a 53 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: little bit about yourself and your journey. Patricia, would you be. 54 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 2: Willing to stir? 55 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 3: So, my name's Patricia and I'm forty five. I don't 56 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: mind saying my name's or my age still. I have 57 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 3: four kids and I live in California, and I started. 58 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: While you say body image journey, it's been a journey, 59 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: but ever since I found found you, it's been it's 60 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 3: been a journey to freedom instead of body image bondage. Really, 61 00:03:56,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: so that really heavily started when I was twenty two 62 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 3: and I had body image issues my whole life. But 63 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 3: I found what I thought was the solution at twenty two, 64 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: and really stayed in that bondage for nineteen years until 65 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 3: I realized it wasn't what the Lord wanted for me, 66 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: even though I thought I was being obedient to him. 67 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 3: And I think I found compared to who through the 68 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: Bible app actually a devotion. And then I at the 69 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 3: end of it, of course, it says if you want 70 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 3: more information, and then that's when I found the podcast, 71 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 3: and that's where the freedom journey began. 72 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I love hearing that, and I'm sure everyone listening will 73 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: be excited to hear the rest of the journey what 74 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: those nineteen years are like, especially Diane. Would you go 75 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: next for us? 76 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 4: Sure? My name is Diane. I live in New York. 77 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 4: I also don't mind saying my age. I'm seventy one. 78 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 4: I probably I don't know, Heather. You'll probably have to 79 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: tell me if I could get a medal for being 80 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: the person with the longest I mean, I started this 81 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 4: journey probably when I was in third or fourth grade, 82 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 4: and I'm seventy one years old now, so that's like 83 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 4: sixty years. 84 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 1: But so common, Diane, so common. 85 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 4: Go ahead, I'm married now forty nine years. I have 86 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 4: a very good marriage. I'm the mother of four adult sons, 87 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: grandma to five grandchildren. I'm a retired nurse, and like 88 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 4: I said, my body image and food food disorder started 89 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 4: in third or fourth grade. And looking back, I really 90 00:05:54,279 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: really see that during different seasons of my life. Again, 91 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 4: I'm going back sixty years now, it really flared up 92 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 4: a lot. I never, ever, in this whole time, ever 93 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 4: saw a doctor, ever saw a therapist. I never had counseling. 94 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 4: I in fact, I never ever talked to anybody anybody, 95 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 4: not even my husband, we have a very good marriage, 96 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,599 Speaker 4: about my issues. I kind of just believe that this 97 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 4: is the way. It was not that everybody thought this way, 98 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 4: but this was just who I was. It was such 99 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 4: a part of my identity. The more I did these 100 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 4: courses and learn more, I recognize that I am sure. 101 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 4: I'm sure that I must have had some kind of 102 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 4: an anorexy at some point. I was always been a restricter, 103 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 4: always counting calories, you know, depending on the diet I 104 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 4: was on, counting carbs, counting sugar, counting fat rams, whatever 105 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,720 Speaker 4: plan I was on probably for fifty of those sixty years, 106 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 4: and I'm not exaggerating. Probably for about fifty years, I 107 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 4: weighed myself almost every day. I not for fifty years, 108 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 4: but probably forty years. I exercised every day. I was 109 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 4: like the mailman through rain ice. I got out there 110 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 4: and either ran, walked, ride, I rode my bike, and 111 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 4: I felt guilty if I didn't do it. So but 112 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: through this all all I kept saying was I was 113 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 4: a health nut and I was doing it because I 114 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 4: wanted to stay healthy. And I think most of my 115 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 4: family thought that I was just very disciplined and I 116 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 4: had a very sensitive stomach with my food corks. 117 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, thanks for sharing all that, Diane. I 118 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: know that's not uncommon. I know that's not uncommon, and 119 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: I love what you said about identity. I hope we 120 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: can revisit that as we go forward. Jess, tell us 121 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: a little bit about you. So I'm Jess. 122 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 2: I live in Georgia. I am a mom to four 123 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: and plus four bonus. My husband and I have been 124 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: married for just over ten years and have eight kids 125 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: between the two of us, so and then we have 126 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 2: eight grand kids. Very busy at my household. I would 127 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: say that I didn't realize I had body image issues 128 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: until I found you. I always just thought it was like, 129 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 2: I'm just trying to lose weight, just trying to be healthy. 130 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: It's like all the things. I was so entrenched in 131 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 2: all the things. But I didn't really ever have a 132 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: weight problem until I had four kids in seven years 133 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: and then it was all downhill after that. But yeah, 134 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: definitely found once I found you, read some up your books, 135 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 2: listen to your podcast, went through the programs, and just 136 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 2: definitely have a new level of freedom now. So I'm 137 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: looking forward to sharing that. 138 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: I love that. And it's very funny that all four 139 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: of us have four kids. I don't think I knew 140 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,200 Speaker 1: that coming in, so that's pretty funny. We all have 141 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: that in common. So okay, ladies, Like when we're in 142 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: diet culture, right, Like we're promises before and afters, right, 143 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: And it's always a picture, right, It's always an image. 144 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,760 Speaker 1: It's always a like I'm skinny before and or excuse me, 145 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: I'm a certain size before and then I'm skinny after. 146 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: Is what we're looking for, right, Or maybe I was 147 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 1: a certain degree of unhealth before and healthy after. Right, 148 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,479 Speaker 1: there's all these before and afters that we get promised, 149 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: and in a lot of ways, our bodymage stories are 150 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: before and after stories too, So Patricia, I want to 151 00:09:57,679 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: start with you, like what's your before? Like who were 152 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: you before you started this journey? Like what did life 153 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: look like? What did you obsess about? What did you 154 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: do practically? Like I'm guessing for all of us, like 155 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: Diana think you mentioned this, but I'm guessing it's true 156 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: for you, jessin you Patricia too, Like this isn't something 157 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: people know, right, I mean, just chime in there is people? 158 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: Did everyone know that you were struggling? Oh no, no, no, Diane, 159 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: you said no, Patricia? Did everyone know this was? No? 160 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 4: No, nobody, nobody, not even my hosband nobody. 161 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:34,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Patricia, did people know? 162 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: Well no, because I looked like I had it all 163 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: together for those nineteen years. I was full of self 164 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:41,839 Speaker 3: control and. 165 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's the picture of self control. 166 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 4: Right. 167 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: So it's a lot of secret stuff going on in 168 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: our heads and in our hearts. Patricia, What did that 169 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: look like for you before? And then? What has changed? 170 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: What is your ass? 171 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: So? 172 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 5: Oh gosh, well, my before finding you was only maybe 173 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 5: three years, maybe two years, So it was this two 174 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 5: years where I had been. 175 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 3: I think what I was in was direxia. I've kind 176 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 3: of come to termin it that now, But I was 177 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 3: in a very strict food program, and I think I 178 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 3: almost would call it a cult now because there's a 179 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 3: lot of unwiring that's having to be done. But I 180 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 3: was told things and believed for all those years, during 181 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 3: such my early adult years, I mean twenty two to 182 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 3: forty one years old, that to eat was to die. 183 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 3: And so you stick to this food, and you weigh 184 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: and measure it, and you eat it these times and 185 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 3: you don't go out of that, and so so much 186 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: of my value was being able to stick to that, 187 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: and so I was very thin. My obsession went from 188 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 3: I want to eat more, I want to eat more. 189 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: I want to eat more, which was how I was 190 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 3: before I found that program, too, I want to get skinnier. 191 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: I want to get skinnier. I want to get skinnier. 192 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: I never felt like I was thin enough, and I 193 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 3: was extremely underweight. I did not look like I had 194 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 3: had four kids at all. So when I left that program, 195 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 3: it was a lot of years of me just feeling like, 196 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 3: I don't think this is what God wants. I feel 197 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: like I'm in bondage. And I would use that word 198 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 3: even though what I was being told is this is freedom, 199 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: this is freedom, this is freedom. But inside I was like, 200 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 3: and this is a secular program. So here I am 201 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 3: a believer, and inside I just knew, like this isn't right. 202 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: So anyway, I had these two years, and of course 203 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: I was terrified because I felt like, they can't be right, 204 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 3: they can't be right, that if I leave here, I'm 205 00:12:55,200 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 3: going to get big as a house and look my 206 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 3: life and I'm powerless over food all that stuff. So 207 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: so my before coming here or finding this, was still 208 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: believing that my worth was in my weight, that I 209 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 3: wasn't lovable unless I looks like every woman wanted to look. 210 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 3: I was terrified that my husband was going to be 211 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: disgusted with me because I had been so thin all 212 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 3: those years. I was terrified that that if I ate 213 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: those foods, I was going to be out of control again. 214 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 3: And yeah, food, there were foods that were bad, foods 215 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: that were good. Don't get fat, because if you do, 216 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 3: you're like you're like worthless. And so I've been kind 217 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 3: of on this journey for a few years or a 218 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: couple of years, I don't know now, maybe two. And 219 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 3: it's not totally easy. I mean, my weight just kind 220 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 3: of keeps going up and up, I think, But I think. 221 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: I think the way that I keep going, the way 222 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: that I keep chasing after freedom is what I've learned 223 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 3: is about God. That's what I loved so much from 224 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 3: all the different courses was it was just kept bringing 225 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: me back to. 226 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 2: God. 227 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 3: Isn't disappointed because you're putting on some weight. God says, 228 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 3: all foods are fine. Like just learning those things that 229 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: take the moral issue out of food and out of 230 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 3: body size. So that's the journey that I'm on. But 231 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 3: I have to remind myself a lot still. Tons of 232 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 3: people are on azembic at work. Oh it's tempting. 233 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 6: It's so tempting because I do love the way it 234 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 6: feels to be thin, But. 235 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 3: Because I'm learning more about God, I'm like, Lord, I 236 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: just want to be more faithful to you than anything else. 237 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 6: I tore that stupid saying nothing tasteses good is being 238 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 6: thin feels, And I'm like, nothing looks as good as 239 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 6: knowing my heart is following after God. So I might 240 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 6: just keep getting bigger, But as long as God is 241 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 6: pleased because I love him so much, then just help 242 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 6: me keep pursuing you. 243 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 3: God. So even though it's uncomfortable. 244 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: I love that. I love your honesty, Patricia, because it is. 245 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: It's a hard journey, but it's so funny. Right, Like 246 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: I did that episode and I can't remember what it 247 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: was called, but I basically was using like a I 248 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: call BS because I think so many of us in 249 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: that season, like for you that Interrexic season, likely right 250 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: in that season, it's like, oh, it was so amazing. 251 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: I felt so great with that body. And then it's like, yeah, 252 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: but like it was never enough, Like no, it's not 253 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: really true, Like I mean, it wasn't like we just 254 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: romanticize what it was, but it was. But oh goodness, 255 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: it's hard. It's hard to wrestle with that. Diane. What 256 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: you shared some of kind of what your journey looked 257 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: like before, a lot of counting and tracking and exercising, 258 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: what was going on in the inside. Those are the 259 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: behaviors people saw. What were your thoughts inside? 260 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 4: I think I really it was very insecure. I don't 261 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 4: really I don't know really where I got the connection 262 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 4: to put it to food. But all I wanted to 263 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 4: do was to be accepted and loved on a very 264 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 4: very non contra confrontational type of person, any kind of conflict, 265 00:16:53,800 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 4: disagreement really frightens me. I avoided it costs, and that's 266 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 4: why I had mentioned different seasons of my life, I 267 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 4: think my eating disorder got worse. And two specific times 268 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 4: that I thought of was when my husband and I 269 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 4: were dating for many years before we got married, and 270 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 4: from the moment I started dating my husband, my parents 271 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 4: did not approve of him, and that was something that 272 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 4: was very, very very difficult for me because I think 273 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 4: we all, matter how old we are, would love to 274 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 4: have our parents' approval. But I was an adult. Unfortunately, 275 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,640 Speaker 4: I didn't have the strength to stand up and say, 276 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 4: you know, this was my decision, and so I know 277 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 4: there were many, many years and it lasted. Eventually they 278 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 4: grew to love him, but it took a long time. 279 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 4: So that really threw me into a lot of anxiety 280 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 4: and insecure. Again. It made my eating. And then the 281 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 4: second period of my life that I remember I was 282 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 4: really obsessed more about eating was when I started a 283 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 4: new job, extremely stressful. The people that I were working 284 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 4: with who were training me more in today's day and age, 285 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 4: they would definitely be classified as bullies, and I again 286 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 4: didn't stand up to them. I wanted to be accepted. 287 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 4: The other big what it looked like for me was 288 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,199 Speaker 4: that there was a lot of good and bad. I 289 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 4: was a good person if I stuck to my diet 290 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 4: and if I was always a restrictor, and like Patricia said, 291 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 4: I was always underweight. Didn't think that I was underweight, 292 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 4: but I was always underweight because I was a restrictor. 293 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,119 Speaker 4: So then if I ate a lot, I felt that 294 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 4: I was a bad person. It was all like a 295 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 4: lot of black and white thinking. I was either a 296 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 4: good person or a bad person. And what I ate 297 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 4: kind of was my identity. So that's it was just very, 298 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 4: very sad when I think back about it. I remember 299 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 4: going to a family gathering at my sister's home. I 300 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:28,959 Speaker 4: have Celiac, so I have to risk Kennedy gluten, so 301 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 4: aside from all these issues of dieting, so anyway, at 302 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 4: my sister's gathering, she was so kind and she made 303 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 4: a gluten free dessert just for me, just for me. 304 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 4: I mean it was she had enough on her plate, 305 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 4: a lot of people that she was entertaining, and in 306 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 4: my restricting days, I wouldn't eat at the gathering. I 307 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 4: wouldn't eat the she made for me even to try it, 308 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 4: And thinking back now, I said that was so that 309 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 4: was so like hurtful of me, Like she was so 310 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 4: kind and gracious, Like I carried it that far, Like 311 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 4: I wouldn't even just taste it as if it was 312 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,160 Speaker 4: poison because it was something sweet. That was the other 313 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 4: thing that I totally like. I had such a fear, 314 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 4: fear of carbs, fear of sugar, fear of ugar was 315 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 4: unbelievable if I had any any bit of sugar, Like 316 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 4: I thought, if I had a piece of cake, let's 317 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 4: say that I would gain five pound, which is ridiculous 318 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,920 Speaker 4: thinking back now. So I was just very obsessed, always 319 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 4: counting calories. Always counting calories kind of goes hand in 320 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 4: hand with weighing myself every day. I felt good if 321 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 4: I stayed at my weight and if I gained a 322 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 4: pound pound a pound. Who notices a pound? I I 323 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 4: it's really sad when I think of at her. So 324 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 4: that's where I was, and I'm in a much much 325 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 4: better place now. I'm still still struggle. You know, it's 326 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 4: not done and then fixed, but I just feel I'm 327 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 4: just so much more aware aware of ways that I was. 328 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 4: And the other thing is I'm I was always brought 329 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: up in church. I'm Catholic. We went to church every week. 330 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 4: I brought my children of Catholic. But it was kind 331 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: of like two worlds I was in. Like I never 332 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 4: connected my faith life with my eating issues. They were 333 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: two entirely different things, entirely until until I started you 334 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 4: know your program, this journey and and now it's all 335 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: about God and my relationship with God. 336 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,879 Speaker 1: Oh, thanks for sharing all that, Diane. Yeah, and I 337 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: hear that major theme again that Betrisha mentioned too, of fear. Right, 338 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: It's so driven by fear. And that's the series we 339 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: did off Fall was you know, fear free Fall. Like 340 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: all these little fears keep us in bondage. It feels 341 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: so overwhelming to feel so afraid of eating the wrong thing, 342 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: or doing the wrong thing, or missing the workout or 343 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: not doing the best healthiest thing. And yeah, there's a 344 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: lot of fear fear in all of our stories. I think, Jess, 345 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: how about you any fear there? 346 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: So I actually have a little bit of a different background. So, 347 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 2: as I mentioned, I didn't have a white problem until 348 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: after I had my children, and so I spent a 349 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 2: lot of my thirties and forties, dieting and losing and 350 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: gaining and losing it and playing that game. And then 351 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 2: I just finally like I just stopped because I was like, 352 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: this is ridiculous, Like I'm not getting anywhere. And so 353 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 2: there was a lot of shame. I had a lot 354 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 2: of shame around my situation and a lot of like worth, 355 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,199 Speaker 2: Like I felt like I was unworthy. Like I got 356 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: to a point where I was like, somebody just tell 357 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 2: me what to eat, when to eat it, how to 358 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 2: eat it. Just put it all together for me, and 359 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: I can do this. But it became I had become 360 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: so obsessed with trying to lose weight that I literally 361 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 2: swung the other way and I'd just like let everything go. 362 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 2: So I wasn't like exercising, I wasn't die, I wasn't 363 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: doing any of the things. And then but there was 364 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 2: still like my weight just kept creeping up, and the 365 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: higher my weight went, I was like, why why can't 366 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: I figure this out? So I felt a lot of 367 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: a lot of guilt and shame around my body and 368 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 2: why I couldn't figure it out and I couldn't lose 369 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: the weight and I couldn't keep it off. And so 370 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: even before I found you, I started doing a lot 371 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 2: of that, like thought work around that, and like really 372 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 2: paying attention to how the trauma of my childhood and 373 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 2: my earth adulthood, how a lot of that played into 374 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: the roles and into the decisions I was making and 375 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: the way I was living my life. So when I 376 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: found you, I had come from this place where I 377 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 2: knew diets didn't work. I knew that there wasn't like 378 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: there wasn't a plan I could follow. There wasn't a 379 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: thing that I could do to make it make my 380 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 2: body do what I wanted my body to do. But 381 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 2: I still had like a lot of that shame and 382 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: a lot of like this unworthy feeling of the whole, 383 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: Like being in a bigger body makes me invisible, It 384 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 2: makes me unworthy, It makes me people look at me 385 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: and they think I'm unhealthy. And so I had a 386 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 2: lot of that. And so going through this, going through 387 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: the courses with you and working with Tera, I found 388 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: a lot of freedom on the other side of that. 389 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,640 Speaker 2: And now I stand here today and I can tell 390 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: you I love this body. This is the body that 391 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: God gave me, and it has done amazing things for me, 392 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 2: and it has carried me through amazing things, and if 393 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: I never lost another pound, I have this amazing body 394 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: that God gave me and this amazing life that He 395 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 2: has given me to live, and I want to do 396 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,959 Speaker 2: whatever he wants me to do. And it took me 397 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: from going in this place of shame and wanting to 398 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: hide to I am here and I am all in 399 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: for God and for what he has for my life. 400 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: I love that. I love that so much, Jess. And yeah, 401 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,679 Speaker 1: I mean that's that's shame, right. Enemy comes in wherever 402 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: we're at, right, because I think Diane you would say 403 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: you felt shame, and Patricia like it has different shades, right, 404 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: different different looks, different colors, if you will. But man, 405 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: the enemy is not very creative. He's just trying to 406 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: get us all to hide, right, trying to get us 407 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: all to feel bad about our bodies or what we 408 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: eat all the time. So to your point, Jess, so 409 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: we'll be rendered and effective, right, So we'll be so 410 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: caught up and I've got to get to that number 411 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: or I've got to keep that number right, And what 412 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 1: an empty thing to chase because we all know you 413 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: see that number and it doesn't like all of a 414 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: sudden fix all the problems in your life, right, I mean, 415 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 1: have you had that experienced in your shape? 416 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 4: Because I did reach that number. I reached the number, 417 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 4: and I was still miserable. In fact, when I was 418 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 4: at that number, which was so underweight, I remember being 419 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,360 Speaker 4: with my grandkids and I my daughter in law sent 420 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 4: me a picture and I said, oh, my goodness, I 421 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:53,959 Speaker 4: looked ill, Like I looked wrinkled and ill. And it 422 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 4: was the first time that I just saw how unhealthy 423 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: I looked and I had reached that number. 424 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 1: M hm, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other theme, though 425 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: I hear, is you guys sharing this journey wasn't really 426 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 1: about figuring out your ideal size or figuring out how 427 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:26,159 Speaker 1: to love your cellulite or lack thereof. I don't know, 428 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: And that's not really what it was about, Jess. I 429 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 1: want to start with you this time of work backwards, 430 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: like you said, a lot of great stuff. Any what 431 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: was a big takeaway? Like was there a pivotal moment? 432 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: Was there like this is what? This is what shifted 433 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: my think? 434 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 2: I think it was so subtle, though, But when when 435 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 2: my my my thinking finally shifted, I think it was 436 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: so subtle that I didn't realize it, and I remember 437 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: there was a moment when I was going through the 438 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 2: intuitive eating part with both Terra and I had said 439 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,239 Speaker 2: to her, I was like, I am so mad at 440 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: this book because I know all of this, and when 441 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 2: is it gonna get to like this place where you're 442 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: gonna give me something new? And it was literally like 443 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: the very next chapter, and I was like, Okay, God, 444 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 2: I see you, and I see that you still see me, 445 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 2: and that you know where I'm at, and that you're 446 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: gonna meet me right here in the middle of this mess. 447 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: And it was almost like it was so subtle for 448 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: me because it was I almost missed it because I 449 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: was so angry. I was like, why am I spending 450 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: all of this money and doing all of this time 451 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 2: and putting in all of this work and nothing is changing. 452 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 2: And then it was just suddenly it was like the 453 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 2: sudden shift of Okay, wait minute, there is something here 454 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: for me. 455 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that, I mean, And that's that's the 456 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: tricky part right where we live in an Amazon Prime society, 457 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: like I need the change delivered within twenty four hours, 458 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: profably between four and eight a m. You know, like 459 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: so I can wake up now tomorrow. Oh and it's 460 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: hard work, yeah, isn't it. 461 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's still I just I'm sorry, I just 462 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 2: want to add one more little piece. It's still a 463 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 2: day to day thing for me. But but I have 464 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 2: so much more freedom now and I don't get so 465 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: caught up in the I don't get so tired at 466 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 2: a knots over all of it. 467 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and I think I as I coach, you 468 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: all have tried to be very clear about that, right 469 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: that it isn't like a oh now I never think 470 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: about my body again ever. Right, that's just not what's real. 471 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: This is something we're going to all have some degree 472 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: of struggle with until we get to have it and 473 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:44,959 Speaker 1: get glorified bodies. But it's having the tools to know 474 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: how to fight. But it's also the change of heart 475 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 1: and mind where it's like, oh this, this can be redeemed. Right, 476 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: this for you, Diane, what fifty years struggle? Sixty years struggle? 477 00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 4: Right? 478 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: I mean, Patricia, twenty years? You know, Jess, I don't 479 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: know if you say ten years, twenty, I don't know 480 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: how many years you'd claim. But it it can be redeemed, 481 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: like God can do a work and pull us out 482 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: of that pit. Diane, any like what it was pivotal 483 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: for you, so. 484 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 4: Little for me probably. Well, first of all, just like 485 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 4: Jess said, it was very gradual. It wasn't like one 486 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 4: day I woke up and I figured this out and 487 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 4: not at all. It was gradual that I was slowly 488 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 4: recognizing that it was really nothing to do about food, 489 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 4: nothing to do about food. And what changed for me 490 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 4: was I started eating and religiously. Now I ate three 491 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 4: meals a day and a snack. Come like the mailman, 492 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 4: come rain shine, holiday, not holiday snow. I eat three 493 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 4: mil a day and a snack. And because of that, 494 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 4: I think that I can think a little clearer. I 495 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 4: stopped weighing myself. Again. I'm not perfect, but certainly not 496 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 4: every day. You know, I would say maybe, I don't know. 497 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 4: Once every couple of months, and then I feel again, 498 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 4: I feel guilty that I weigh myself. So I'm not 499 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 4: cured yet, will never be cured, as you say. But 500 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 4: the biggest thing for me is I now have a 501 00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 4: relationship with God. I really I knew God. I prayed 502 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 4: to God, but I don't think I really ever had 503 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 4: a relationship with him. I had really hard time, really 504 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 4: hard time, and that I had to do a lot 505 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 4: of soul searching and digging about this. Why, how how 506 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 4: could God love somebody like me who wasted so many 507 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 4: years wasted and I knew he died on the cross 508 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 4: to save me. How could I have not just fallen 509 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 4: on my knees and thanked him instead of instead of 510 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 4: being so distracted and self absorbed. 511 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 2: I was very. 512 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 4: Very ashamed of that, very very guilty of that. So 513 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 4: it took a lot of work for me to not 514 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 4: think of myself as unworthy in his eyes. And I'm 515 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 4: still working on that. But that's been a big shift 516 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 4: in my mindset that God loves me no matter what. 517 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 4: Forget the food, but the God of the universe loves me, 518 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 4: and he could care less what I look like. And 519 00:32:55,840 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 4: that's been hard for me, but that has really I 520 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 4: can feel the shift. I can feel the shift in 521 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 4: my head in the way I'm acting in many situations. 522 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: Last week, I was preached. 523 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 4: I just wanted to say one thing. Last week I 524 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 4: went out to lunch with three old friends and we 525 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 4: went to a Greek restaurant. Haven't seen them in a 526 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 4: long time, and we all ordered different meals, but we 527 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 4: commented when we got our meals that they were big, 528 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 4: big portions. We finished our lunch, and when I first 529 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 4: got mine, I had ordered a wrap. It was cut 530 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 4: in half. I said, oh, I'll never eat this whole wrap. 531 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 4: It's so big. It was huge. Meanwhile, I finished the 532 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 4: whole rap, and everybody else got doggy bags to take 533 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 4: home because they said there was so much food. And 534 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 4: I finished everything, and years ago, I would have been humiliated. 535 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,600 Speaker 4: First of all, I never would have eaten all that 536 00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 4: food in front of people. But I ate it and 537 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 4: I felt fine. And my girlfriend actually commented to me 538 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 4: and she said, wow, you ate a lot of food. 539 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 4: I've never seen you eat that much food. She wasn't 540 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 4: being mean to me, and I answered her. You know 541 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,919 Speaker 4: what I said to her, I said, I did eat 542 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 4: the whole thing, and I really enjoyed it. It was great. 543 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 4: End the story, like, I didn't feel guilty, and I 544 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 4: walked out of that restaurant. I said, I'm in a 545 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 4: different place. I never would have acted that way a 546 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:33,399 Speaker 4: year ago. Ever. So I'm so grateful, so grateful for you, 547 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 4: for for all the people, Tara. Everybody has been just 548 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 4: I keep saying, it's life changing for me. Life changing. 549 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I love that, Diane, thank you for sharing all that. Patresha, 550 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: how about you, What's been the most important part of 551 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: this journey for you. 552 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,759 Speaker 3: I remember when I found the podcast. I think I 553 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 3: must have started at the beginning, you know, went to 554 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,319 Speaker 3: oldest and I remember when I was I was on 555 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 3: a walk. I would just go on walks and just 556 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 3: listen to the podcast. And when I heard it described 557 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: as idolatry, it was like the emoji that with the 558 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 3: whole brain just explodes. I mean, I just I couldn't. 559 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 3: It was just like the most intriguing thing I had 560 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:25,399 Speaker 3: ever heard, and it just kind of it just kind 561 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 3: of blew the cover. It kind of blew open the lie. 562 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,680 Speaker 3: Let's call it for what it is. This isn't me 563 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,279 Speaker 3: trying to be healthy, This isn't me. I just unearthed 564 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 3: so much just from really realizing it was an idolatry 565 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 3: and and what was I idolizing? I was like, I 566 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 3: was actually idolizing people idolizing me. And that was a 567 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:56,759 Speaker 3: huge awareness to see and to just oh, it makes 568 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 3: me embarrassed kind of and kind of sad or like 569 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 3: grossed out in a way that I actually liked somewhere inside. 570 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 3: Knowing that women would look at me and go, wow, 571 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 3: she had four kids. Look at her. So just really 572 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 3: getting to see this and I'm not being hard on 573 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 3: myself but see it as sin, because for me it 574 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 3: was sin. I was going to everything. I was going 575 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 3: to my own means of feeling worth anything. And Jess 576 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 3: said something that made me think might have been when 577 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 3: she was saying the thing about she and Gil. I'm 578 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 3: not sure, but what I really got stuck on a 579 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 3: little bit in the beginning was when we talk about 580 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 3: this is the botto oh. It was when Jess was 581 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 3: talking about like truly loving her body that she's in. 582 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 3: I am not there. I kind of accept it, like 583 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 3: and what I still do a lot of, like I 584 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 3: just don't look a whole lot at my body when 585 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 3: it's not in clothing because I know that I'll be 586 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 3: really hard on myself and I don't want to be. 587 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 3: So that's my progress where I'm not like looking at 588 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 3: every angle of myself. But I really got hung up 589 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 3: on thinking that I ruined what God gave me. I 590 00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,839 Speaker 3: really got hung up on that, like, Okay, yes, this 591 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 3: is the body God gave me, but look what I'm 592 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 3: doing to it. I'm ruining it. And it took me, 593 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,320 Speaker 3: you know, like Diane's talking about, like just getting closer 594 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 3: and closer to God, understanding his character more and more 595 00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,920 Speaker 3: to realize I'm not ruining it, because to ruin it 596 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 3: would mean that there's a good body and a bad 597 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 3: body type in his opinion, and I don't think there is. 598 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 3: I don't think he cares. I love when somebody said like, 599 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 3: we're not going to I think it was probably on 600 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 3: a podcast, We're not going to get to heaven and 601 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 3: he's gonna have the scale out, like step On, let's 602 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 3: see how you did that whole journey that you had 603 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,160 Speaker 3: down there. Did you focus enough on your way? It 604 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 3: doesn't look like you did on the scale, you know. 605 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 3: So it's been such a perspective shift, like what's this 606 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 3: life really all about? It's really not about me, and 607 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: it's really not about how I'm looking to other people. 608 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,320 Speaker 3: It's not about their opinions. The only opinion that matters 609 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 3: is God's. And again I'm not saying like I'm all, oh, 610 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 3: I totally get this, and I'm it's not peaceful in 611 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 3: my head all the time, but but the truth is 612 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 3: in there now I can like fight the lies with 613 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:39,640 Speaker 3: that truth. 614 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: Most days, So brass taxes were kind of close today. Okay, 615 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: I think I think it's true. You all started with 616 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,480 Speaker 1: the forty day Journey. Is that right? Everyone started the 617 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: forty day Journey. Okay, so we're gonna just kind of 618 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: like poke through here. So, Patricia, what was your path 619 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: you started the forty day Journey? Well, actually, to listen 620 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,399 Speaker 1: to the podcast, it started the forty Day Journey, and 621 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: then you went on to work with Tara. 622 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 4: No. 623 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 3: I did the Freedom Body Framework, I think is what 624 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,200 Speaker 3: it's called the Framework. 625 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 1: Yep, that's my freedom framework. 626 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 3: Yep. That's my favorite because of all the collar sermons. 627 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,239 Speaker 3: I just loved how biblically based that one was. It 628 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 3: really helped me. And then I did the Intuitive Eating 629 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 3: I believe, I don't remember what it's called, but I 630 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 3: did that one and yeah, yeah, oh oh. And then 631 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 3: after that one, I did do small group sessions with 632 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:43,040 Speaker 3: Tara and four other women from my Intuitive Eating group. 633 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,560 Speaker 1: Awesome. And Diane, I know you started. You weren't even 634 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: in there that long ago you were in the forty 635 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:50,800 Speaker 1: Day Journey. 636 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,919 Speaker 4: No, No, not at all. I listened to my My 637 00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:01,319 Speaker 4: journey started probably about three years ago. When I was 638 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 4: listening to. I loved podcasts, always listened to them as 639 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 4: I walked. And I was listening to a podcast Intuitive 640 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 4: Eating for Christian Women, and you were a guest Heather 641 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,799 Speaker 4: on the podcast, and that in turn led me to 642 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 4: listen to your compared to Who podcasts, and it was 643 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,800 Speaker 4: mind blowing to me because I'm like, oh my god, 644 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 4: you're talking to me. And again, remember I had never 645 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 4: ever opened up with anybody, so just to hear these words, 646 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 4: it was like oxygen, oxygen to my soul. I just 647 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 4: I couldn't listen to the podcast, and every time I walked, 648 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,719 Speaker 4: I listened to another podcast, and I really hesitated to 649 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,839 Speaker 4: take the forty day Journey course. It probably took me 650 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 4: about nine months to get the courage to sign up 651 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 4: because I was afraid. I was really afraid that I 652 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,760 Speaker 4: was going to look different and I just wasn't ready 653 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,400 Speaker 4: for that. But I knew when I took that course 654 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 4: that oh I needed more like again, it was just 655 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 4: I needed more oxygen. So currently I'm just finishing up 656 00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 4: the twenty week twelve excuse me, twelve week course, the 657 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 4: Body Image Freedom Framework course, and the coaching with Tara, 658 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:26,719 Speaker 4: which the coaching has been unbelievable, truly supportive. I can't 659 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 4: imagine doing the course without the coaching. It's just fantastic. 660 00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,680 Speaker 4: And that's where I'm at now, and I think, I know, 661 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 4: I know I need more because I'm not there yet. 662 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 4: But I can so relate to Patricia what you said 663 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:51,200 Speaker 4: about the idolatry piece, because that was also mined. I 664 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 4: again also know that I practice idolatry for all those years. 665 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing on that, Dan Okay, Jess, your path 666 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: started with forty Journey and then we worked together, yes, 667 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: and then tell me where you went from there, and then. 668 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 2: It went back to the forty day journey because I've 669 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 2: been in the forty day journey a couple a few 670 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 2: times now, and I've really enjoyed every time I come back, 671 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,840 Speaker 2: I get something new out of it. So after we 672 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,120 Speaker 2: worked together and I came back into the forty day Journey, 673 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 2: then I went in and I worked the freedom framework 674 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 2: with Terra, and then I went into the intuitive eating 675 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 2: part with Terra. So I've been through the whole through 676 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,239 Speaker 2: all of it, but I've been with you almost since 677 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 2: the beginning of all of the forty day But I 678 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 2: also wanted to throw out one other thing and the 679 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 2: so the body adult idolatry part like that was a 680 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,719 Speaker 2: mind blown to me. But the thing out of the 681 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 2: forty Day Journey that really hit me hard was objectification 682 00:42:55,880 --> 00:43:01,680 Speaker 2: and objectifying not only other people's bodies but my and 683 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 2: that was like one of the things that really almost 684 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,520 Speaker 2: broke me. Going through that journey was like really coming 685 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:13,160 Speaker 2: to terms with letting go of those ideals in my head. 686 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,800 Speaker 1: So yeah, thanks for sharing that. Okay, as we close, Diane, 687 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: you started you kind of warmed me up for this. 688 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: There's a woman listening today that's like, Okay, I probably 689 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,520 Speaker 1: need to join the forty Day Journey. It's a new year. 690 00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,720 Speaker 1: Maybe I already started a new diet or exercise plan, 691 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: but I know that this one probably isn't it either. 692 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: I probably need to do the forty Day Journey. But 693 00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm scared to death. I'm scared of my body changing. 694 00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,600 Speaker 1: I'm scared of facing all these things that are underneath 695 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: my things. Patricia, you go first, How do you encourage 696 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: how do you encourage her to take that first step? 697 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: What would you say? 698 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 3: Well? I was afraid too, because I had the feeling that, 699 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 3: look at you, Patricia, you're just running after another thing. 700 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 3: You're just seeking seeking, seeking, and I just thought, well, 701 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 3: it's inexpensive. What have I got to lose? I need 702 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 3: help thinking about this differently, And what I'll say is 703 00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:27,920 Speaker 3: that it's a super gentle process. It's not scary at all. 704 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 3: You get to share as much as you honor as 705 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,640 Speaker 3: little as you want. I'm a big talker, so I 706 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,080 Speaker 3: like to talk. It helps me. But not everybody on 707 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,799 Speaker 3: those is a big talker at all, so you know, 708 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,799 Speaker 3: And it's just it's worth the perspective shift that you 709 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,839 Speaker 3: will get. It's really not about trying to be successful 710 00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,480 Speaker 3: at yet another thing. That's what sets it apart. You're 711 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,319 Speaker 3: not trying to be successful at anything. You're really just 712 00:44:56,440 --> 00:45:00,839 Speaker 3: learning how to really let go and trust God with you, 713 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,480 Speaker 3: because that's what this is about. This isn't me about 714 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 3: with checking in with somebody on a scale or someone 715 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 3: who I have to report my food to. This is 716 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 3: about really learning to trust God with me. So I'm 717 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 3: nothing to lose in that. 718 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:19,840 Speaker 1: I love it. Preach girl, Preach Diane. What do you 719 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,160 Speaker 1: say to the woman who's like, I'm kind of scared. Actually, 720 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: maybe it's a woman, because I hear this a lot. 721 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: You are not the oldest person to have gone through 722 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,960 Speaker 1: the fourty day journey. So I'm sorry, we're not going 723 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,239 Speaker 1: to give you a medal for that. But I know 724 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: I hear that a lot like women say, well, I'm 725 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: already seventy. I mean, I'm not going to change it's 726 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,840 Speaker 1: too late for me, or you know why even bother Now, 727 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 1: what would you say to that woman? 728 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,000 Speaker 4: I would say that even if you only I mean, 729 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,240 Speaker 4: if I live till ninety, let's say I have twenty 730 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:58,840 Speaker 4: more years left on this earth, wouldn't you want to 731 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,840 Speaker 4: live twenty more years three and not be obsessed about 732 00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,520 Speaker 4: the past. Wouldn't you want to think about the future? 733 00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 4: And also that I don't want to. I just didn't 734 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,040 Speaker 4: want to waste any more time just being so self absorbed. 735 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 4: It was really frightening for me, really frightening. I had 736 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,040 Speaker 4: never done anything like that before. I was so afraid 737 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,040 Speaker 4: of somebody was going to find out that I was 738 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 4: sick or weird. Maybe somebody I knew would actually be 739 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 4: listening to this, to this or be a member of 740 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,719 Speaker 4: this course that I would you know, my secret would 741 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,759 Speaker 4: be found out. But it was just such a welcoming 742 00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,399 Speaker 4: and like Patricia said, if you didn't want to talk, 743 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,759 Speaker 4: You didn't have to talk, you know, you could just 744 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 4: listen and everybody was in the same boat. So it 745 00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,920 Speaker 4: was just so many really shared stories. Is that just 746 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 4: I just And I also said the same thing. It 747 00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,560 Speaker 4: was not expensive, So I said, if I just took 748 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 4: one or two classes, one or two weeks and I 749 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,360 Speaker 4: didn't like it, I just won't come back. But the 750 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,280 Speaker 4: rest is history. 751 00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 1: Oh I love it. Thanks Dan. Okay, Jess, close this 752 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:24,239 Speaker 1: up here. What do you say to her? Those are 753 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: really hard to follow? 754 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 2: We want to go do it again? I would say, 755 00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:34,719 Speaker 2: just you're worth it. You're one hundred percent worth it, 756 00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,200 Speaker 2: and you are. You can dip your toe in and 757 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,120 Speaker 2: just go and listen and be a fly on the wall. 758 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,919 Speaker 2: But what you're gonna find is there are other women 759 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,200 Speaker 2: out there struggling with the same thing that you're struggling with, 760 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 2: and that there is a lot of power in walking 761 00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:53,960 Speaker 2: through this with other women and really getting to know 762 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,680 Speaker 2: other women and finding you won't be fixed on the 763 00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,640 Speaker 2: other side. We really won't be fit ever, but you 764 00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,400 Speaker 2: will find a lot of freedom at the end of 765 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:05,480 Speaker 2: the forty days. 766 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,319 Speaker 1: I love that, And yeah, let me just kind of 767 00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,920 Speaker 1: glom onto what you said, thank you for the commercial, Like, 768 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,600 Speaker 1: you can go buy my book. You can go buy 769 00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: the forty Day Body Maage Work book. And I think 770 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:18,120 Speaker 1: you'll get something out of it just reading it. I mean, 771 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,840 Speaker 1: I hope you will, but I believe you will. It'll 772 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 1: challenge you and it'll encourage you. But if you read 773 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,799 Speaker 1: it in community with other women, then when you get 774 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: to the hard chapters, you don't quit right. And it 775 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: does make a difference to hear other women who say 776 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 1: out loud they're struggling with the same thing you're struggling with. 777 00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,200 Speaker 1: It makes all the difference to the way you process 778 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 1: your journey. So it's not like you said, Diane, it's 779 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: not like I feel weird, someone's going to find me out. 780 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: It's all these women saying, oh yeah, I do that too, 781 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think like that too. And there's great 782 00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:58,120 Speaker 1: freedom in hearing others say that. Ladies, thank you so 783 00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: much for doing this. I appreciate you giving of your 784 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,880 Speaker 1: time and sharing your stories. Thanks for being here. 785 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:07,120 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you, Heather. 786 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,000 Speaker 3: We're grateful for. 787 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 2: You, definitely grateful for you. Thank you for having me. 788 00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,160 Speaker 1: And thank you for listening today. I hope something today 789 00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,359 Speaker 1: has helped you stop comparing and start living. Thank good 790 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,040 Speaker 1: bye it Compared to You podcasts is probably part of 791 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,640 Speaker 1: the life Audio podcast network. For more Great Question podcast 792 00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: go to life audio dot co.