1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: There are things about Epstein and some of the biggest 2 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: true crime cases in this country that you were never 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: supposed to see, not because they don't exist, but because 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: they've been buried. This guy who's built one point five 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: million subscriber base digs into this and he says, what's 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: really going on is way darker than people realize. 7 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: I've been talking about Jeffrey Epstein for years and diving 8 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 2: into that story, and I've part of what I've been 9 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: working on for the last two years are these two 10 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: different investigative documentary series following these pedophile rinks, historical pedophile rinks. 11 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 2: And it's a totally different line of work that I 12 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: fell into through my wife and i's work. But when 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: I tell you that some of the stuff that we're 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: going to be revealing and talking about is crazy, that 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: is the understatement of the century. It is. It's been 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: quite the journey. 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: It is. The Paranormal Files is the YouTube channel, and 18 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: in the podcast is Murder in America. People should go 19 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 1: and keep both of those out. For me, the Epstein 20 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: situation as a political commentator and doing news and commentary 21 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: is my main job. I'm done. I mean, I'm a 22 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: conservative guy, but I don't care who's on the list. 23 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: I want everybody. I want it to be released. I 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: wanted to know who was in the ring. Was Pizzagate 25 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: really a thing? Was that Epstein involved in that? If 26 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: Trump is on it, I want to know. And I'm 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: a Trump fan, so for me, and I think most 28 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: people who are watching and listening right now, Colin, they 29 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: want the answers, and the fact that they're not giving 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:32,400 Speaker 1: us the answers really pushes people to a page like yours. 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: So when they go to your page, have you got 32 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: a list of videos that are talking about Epstein already 33 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: and what you've uncovered and found out? 34 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. On my channel, the Conspiracy Files, I have been 35 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: doing deep dives into Epstein for years. It was actually 36 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 2: the very first video that I did on the channel 37 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty four was dealing with the mysterious 38 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 2: death of Epstein and what we knew back then. Now, 39 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 2: in the last few years, I've traveled the world interviewing survivors, 40 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 2: working with survivors of sexual violence and these rings, and 41 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 2: I've learned so much from them, and it is so 42 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: much bigger and more insidious than people can imagine. And 43 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 2: some of the allegations veer into fantasyland territory where it's 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 2: just so beyond the threshold that people have they just 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: can't bring themselves to even believe that this reality could 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: potentially be true. But that's where I've lived for the 47 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: last eleven years with my channel and my lifestyle and 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 2: you know, being in the paranormal. So I've been examining 49 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: those kind of those wilder allegations and yeah, interviewing people. 50 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: For example, I was interviewing a woman in Germany and 51 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: she told me essentially of this cult that she was 52 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: a part of when she was a child, and she 53 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 2: said that her parents brought her into this cult and 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: they were her main abusers, and she was trafficked to 55 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: these different individuals that were in this group, and she 56 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: told us, and I'm sitting here listening to this woman 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 2: tell me the story she told me on camera that 58 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 2: it's really graphic and disturbing. But in the middle of 59 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: one of these cult gatherings or ceremonies, these children were 60 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: circled up and essentially an adult female was placed in 61 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: between these kids in the middle of the circle, and 62 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 2: a weapon was inserted into the woman and she was 63 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: then shot and killed. And the children who were there, 64 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: these are her words, were forced to lick the meat 65 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 2: from what happened. Yeah. So the reason I'm saying that 66 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: is because I have talked to these people, and I 67 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 2: know these people, and I'm really good friends with these 68 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 2: people that have survived these things. So when I've gone 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 2: into these investigations dealing with Epstein, my mind has already 70 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: been open, and it is just shocking how many things 71 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: don't make it onto Let's just call it the boogeyman. 72 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: Mainstream media, you know, mainstream media outlets, even photographs of 73 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: Epstein that you can find your self, and the files 74 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: that it seems like they refuse to report on for. 75 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: I mean, you could say unknown reasons, but I mean 76 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: I think we all know why they they don't want to. 77 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: I mean, well, I was going to ask you as 78 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: you were as you were talking about it, and you're 79 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: actually going to time maybe you're using paranormal psychology or 80 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: something to get this question out of my brain? Why 81 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: don't we know more about it? I've been in news 82 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: and information for thirty six years now, thirty seven years now, 83 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: and these stories are sometimes popped out in the go away. 84 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: We never ever focus on it. We never ever get 85 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: an answer. We to this moment, Colin, don't know what 86 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's job was. Clearly he had billions of dollars. 87 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 1: We don't know why he's got billions of dollars, but 88 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: we assume he's either masade or a CIA, but it 89 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: might not be any of those things. We know that 90 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: he's a pedophile, disgusting piece of garbage that owned an island, 91 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: that would fly the biggest dignitaries on the planet to 92 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: his island to do allegedly discussing things with children. Why 93 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: don't we know more about this? Is there is there 94 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: a scheme in place? And this goes into conspiracy, But 95 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: is there a scheme in place to hide this information 96 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: to where he's got leverage or people like him have 97 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: leverage on all the legacy media, on all the big media, 98 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: on everybody in government. How's that possible? 99 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: Well, I think it's I mean, it's a multi it's 100 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: a complex question that requires a multifaceted answer almost. I 101 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: mean when it comes to legacy media. Uh, I don't 102 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: know if you remember that clip of Amy I forget 103 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: to last name Roorbach. 104 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: Or she's yes, I do remember that she had the 105 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: good yeah. 106 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: About Epstein, and she's saying on camera on the hot mic, 107 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 2: essentially that they wanted her to kill the story. So 108 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 2: you can see that right there. That is the mentality 109 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: years ago of these mainstream kind of legacy media outlets. 110 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 2: They didn't want this to come out for one reason 111 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: or another, whether it was too graphic and they didn't 112 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: feel like their audience would respond to it, as callous 113 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 2: as that is, or you know, they were being paid 114 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: off and protected. That's that's just something we don't know. 115 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 2: But what I can say when I could speak to 116 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 2: from personal experience, I know that they censor stories based 117 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 2: on or about Epstein on social media, like it is 118 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: absolutely insane. And I've tried to raise the alarm about this. 119 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 2: But for example, on TikTok I post, I've got almost 120 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: four million followers on TikTok and I talk about Epstein 121 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: every single day, and I've been one of the OG's 122 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 2: talking about Epstein for years and I have never let 123 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: the story up. But I get about four to five 124 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 2: videos every single week removed from my TikTok for completely unknown, 125 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: mysterious reasons. They don't even provide me with a strike. 126 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: They say community guidelines. This violated the guidelines. They don't 127 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: let me appeal. It's actually peculiar. I can pull it 128 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 2: out right now and show you there are certain videos 129 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 2: that they removed of mine that normally when you try 130 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 2: to you get a video or move, there's a whole 131 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: process you follow, you have to go through, you do 132 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 2: the appeal, you get it back. You know, you see 133 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 2: the result. For certain videos, I'm not even given the 134 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 2: opportunity to appeal. And when and I clicked the screen 135 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: that would usually take you to the appeal screen, it 136 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 2: brings me to this really weird. It's got like a 137 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 2: ufoon in a spaceship and it says something went wrong. Sorry, apologies. Yeah, 138 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: it's crazy. And so I can't I can't even try 139 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: to get the videos back because it doesn't give me 140 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 2: the option. And that's happened. I mean, I was talking 141 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: about Bohemian Grove on Facebook, right because I went outside 142 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 2: of the grove and interviewed people a few years ago, 143 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 2: and because I posted a video about Bohemian Grove on 144 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: Facebook in twenty twenty four, my entire Facebook and Instagram 145 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: was taken offline for about six months. It was insane. 146 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: Well, it is insane and that censorship is real. I've 147 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: got one point one million on TikTok, but you'll see 148 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: there's no virality at all. I mean it used to 149 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: be like I used to do a video, I get 150 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: twelve million views. Now I'm getting fifty thousand if I'm lucky, 151 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: and they're constantly telling me to buy ads. I can 152 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: get fifty thousand more views if I want. I don't 153 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: buy any ads at all. Haven't paid for any followers, 154 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: just like you haven't. We built this organically, and it's 155 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: like the platforms punish you because you're telling the truth. 156 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: So let me finish on Epstein this way. Charlie Kirk, 157 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: before his disgusting, untimely assassination said on I Think Patrick 158 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: bet David's podcast, it's clear that Epstein was blackmailing everybody. 159 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 1: It was a blackmail scheme and he had control and 160 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: leverage over everybody. Then he just sort of is not 161 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: on earth anymore. Is that what you're finding as well? 162 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 1: There's there's no doubt in my mind because he got 163 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: a slap on the wrist in two thousand and eight 164 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: or nine. He's somebody who ended up behind bars and 165 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: then somehow died allegedly, we don't even know if he's dead, 166 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: and everybody, but everybody that he had this leverage over 167 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: still isn't talking. If the guy's dead, if he's gone, 168 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: why can't we know everything now? So is it your belief, 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: like what Charlie said, that this was all about blackmailing 170 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: the biggest names on the planet. 171 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 2: And when it comes to stories of political blackmail, there's 172 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 2: historicity to those claims, not only just I mean, obviously 173 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,199 Speaker 2: we all know that politicians are compromised and they're blackmailed 174 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 2: all the time, whether it's from a drug habit or 175 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: some sort of cross dressing kink, whatever it is. Now 176 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 2: people will get that information and they will hold it 177 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 2: against anybody. But when it comes to the kind of 178 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 2: Epstein's scheme where you're hooking in these politicians and getting 179 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 2: them on camera doing things, we'll just say to skirt 180 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 2: the censors with miners. There are stories exactly like that 181 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,319 Speaker 2: from decades prior. For example, in the Plaza Hotel and 182 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 2: the fifties I believe it was fifties, could be early sixties, 183 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 2: j Edgar Hoover and Roy Kohane allegedly essentially created the 184 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 2: sexual blackmail scheme so they were having these parties in 185 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: the Blue Suite at the Plaza Hotel. It's an infamous room, 186 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 2: and they were doing essentially what boils down to the 187 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 2: same thing that Epstein is accused of having done. They 188 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,839 Speaker 2: were bringing in politicians. They were bringing in extremely young individuals, 189 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: a lot of reports have said miners, and they were 190 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 2: secretly recording these powerful political individuals doing these things with 191 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: these miners. And this is back in the nineteen fifties 192 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: and you know, early nineteen sixties. As you go through time, 193 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 2: you see this story repeated over and over again. This 194 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: story pops up in Germany. If you are familiar with 195 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 2: the Manual Shadwald story, that's a very similar thing. A 196 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: kid that was murdered and is supposedly in retaliation for 197 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 2: his dad being involved in this sexual blackmail scheme. And 198 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: then the biggest the bad boy is the Franklin cover 199 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: up and the Franklin scandal in Omaha, which is a 200 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 2: story that I'm intimately familiar. For a number of reasons, 201 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 2: I can't talk necessarily too much about the Franklin But 202 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 2: are you familiar with that story? 203 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: It sounds familiar. I don't know much about it, though, 204 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: can you give us the nuts and bolts without getting 205 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: too in depth with it. And by the way, those 206 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: who are watching listening is Colin Brown. Go and check 207 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: out his YouTube it's the Paranormal Files and his podcast 208 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: is Awesome Murder in America. Go ahead, film me in 209 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: on Franklin. Just give me the nuts and bolts. 210 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: Franklin is essentially the Epstein of the eighties, the Epstein. 211 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 2: Before Epstein, you had the exact same allegations being made 212 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: about children being flown across the country, about parties with 213 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 2: powerful individuals in Washington, d C. About powerbrokers victimizing children, 214 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: will say, drugs, alcohol, parties, all this being recorded, and 215 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: it all disappeared after it was exposed. So essentially Franklin. 216 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 2: The main part of Franklin and the exposing of the 217 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 2: story was in the late eighties and early nineties, and 218 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 2: right after Franklin disappeared, according to reporting, that's when the 219 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: Epstein operation, at least the part where he went to 220 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: try to compromise Bill Clinton in the White House, that's 221 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: when that picked up in the early nineteen nineties. So 222 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: if you want to read a book that is that 223 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: will absolutely change your life and your mentality, especially when 224 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 2: it comes to Epstein, I would highly recommend The Franklin 225 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: Scandal by Nick Bryant. Nick's a really close friend of mine, 226 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 2: and it is truly a life changing book because it's 227 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 2: the exact same story as Epstein. Just before Epstein, I 228 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 2: get it. 229 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, I don't know anything about 230 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: the story. I thought it sounded familiar. But what you 231 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: just said doesn't ring any bells at all. And let 232 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: me say why that's important. I was a television news 233 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,319 Speaker 1: anchor for a long time. I've won many awards in journalism. 234 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: I know how to do the job, and I try 235 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: to be aware of almost everything, even if I don't 236 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: use it on my shows. I try to be aware 237 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: of everything. Why don't I know anything about that? 238 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 2: The Franklin story was completely buried, not only because it 239 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: was buried as it was happening by local media in Nebraska. 240 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 2: There were publishers that were alleged to have been a 241 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: part of this ring by victim witnesses, but in the 242 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: years afterwards. I mean essentially what ended up happening is 243 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 2: the main victim witness, her name's Alicia. She was imprisoned 244 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: on perjury charges, so they tried to claim that she 245 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 2: made the whole thing up, and she never changed her story. 246 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: The other kids, they were threatened, They had siblings that 247 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: mysteriously killed themselves in the middle of Judie racial proceedings 248 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: in the grand jury, I mean in the middle of 249 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 2: the grand jury, in the middle of the Franklin grand jury. 250 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: The main investigator, the lead investigator on this whole thing, 251 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: his name's Gary Carridori. He is flying his plane with 252 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 2: his eight year old son, Andrew, and his plane mysteriously 253 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: explodes midair and he and his son are are killed. 254 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: To this date, it's never been explained what happened to 255 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 2: the plane. It's been alleged that FBI were the first 256 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:30,680 Speaker 2: people on scene Gary's briefcase, which according to many contained 257 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:35,559 Speaker 2: compromising photos of powerful people in compromising positions. The briefcase 258 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: had vanished from the wreck of the plane by the 259 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 2: time local investigators got there, even though his son's backpack 260 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 2: was still found mostly intact. Pretty bizarre to have the 261 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,960 Speaker 2: entire briefcase handle, nuts, bolts, everything just disappear. But there 262 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: have been a lot of people that died attached to 263 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 2: the Franklin story, and they have done an absolutely immaculate 264 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 2: job of covering it up. And what's also interesting is 265 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 2: the same attorney general who was in office at the 266 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 2: time that Epstein mysteriously died, Bill Barr. He was also 267 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 2: Attorney general at the time that Franklin was covered up. 268 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 2: And that's from the very beginning. 269 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 1: There's a lot about Bill Barr that I would like 270 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: to know, because the guy said things that he didn't mean, 271 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: He meant things that he didn't say, he acted in 272 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: a way that was opposite of what he said he 273 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: was going to do. There's something very deep and dark 274 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: about that guy that I'd like to find out. Go 275 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: and binge this guy's channel, the Paranormal Files, and go 276 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: check out the podcast right now, Murder in America. It's 277 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: Colin Brown. Let's talk about Nancy Guthrie. That for me 278 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: helped build my page. I gained twenty thousand followers in 279 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: a month because I was covering Nancy Guthrie from angles 280 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: that weren't being covered in the legacy media and people 281 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: just were hungry and thirsty for information on that case. 282 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: Is this just the perfect storm case that brings people 283 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: to YouTube, to people like you, people like me in 284 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: a much lower level to find out what they're not 285 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: getting from the news. You've got somebody who's a famous person, 286 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: who's a morning show star. You got her mother is 287 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: missing and we don't know why she's missing. You got 288 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: blood on the front door. You've got some weird figure 289 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 1: that shows up in a video that they uncovered, you know, 290 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: days later or weeks later. You've got a really incompetent 291 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: sheriff in p Ma County, Arizona whose entire deputy staff 292 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: wants him gone. Not one vote of confidence for Chris 293 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: Nano's Is that why this is so interesting? And because 294 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: we have no closure. 295 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 2: I would say so. I mean it's a story that 296 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: I think everybody can empathize with and relate to. I mean, 297 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: how horrific to have your mother or father taken from 298 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 2: their own home and to have no answers. And then 299 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 2: on top of that you add so many different layers. 300 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: I mean, the incompetent police department, the mysterious evidence like 301 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 2: you just mentioned, and the fact that this is all 302 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: related to a very recognizable individual in America. Those are 303 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: kind of the symptoms or the circumstances that would be 304 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: needed to create the perfect storm of a true crime case. 305 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: And I don't know, I think it's shocking that there 306 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: are still no answers. But I mean, this is the 307 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: world that I I live in, essentially and working and 308 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: breathe in and out at every moment of the day. 309 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: There are so many cases like this throughout US history. 310 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 2: I mean, like at the top of the show we 311 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 2: were talking about Ted Bundy and the recent DNA discovery. 312 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: I mean, for me, that's shocking because there's literally I mean, 313 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 2: I know, I knew that Ted Bundy more than likely 314 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 2: had more victims, right. And it is interesting because when 315 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: I did a paranormal investigation in Salt Lake City in 316 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: Utah years ago relating to Ted Bundy, we actually felt 317 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: like we had received some sort of an answer during 318 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: that investigation, saying that there were more victims from the area. 319 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: And now, years later, years after the fact, DNA has 320 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 2: linked Bundy to another murder in Utah. Is it in 321 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: Salt Lake City? I can't remember the exact city. 322 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,640 Speaker 1: Where, I'm not sure, but I will tell you this. 323 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: You don't know this about me. I grew up in Florida, 324 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: So the Ted Bundy case was a very very big case, 325 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: not only in Florida, was nationally as well. But there 326 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: wasn't social media, and there wasn't you know, there were 327 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: two thousand channels on your TV, so we were getting 328 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,440 Speaker 1: the bulk of it immediately in Florida. And what jumps 329 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: out at me about that case, and maybe you can 330 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 1: opine about this a bit. The only reason why that 331 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:16,399 Speaker 1: case was so was so big and so intriguing to 332 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: people is a good looking guy, be really good lawyer. 333 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 1: The judge told him, you're a really good lawyer. I 334 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 1: wish that we'd have met in different circumstances. And see, 335 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: women were literally trying to still get with this guy 336 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: as he was getting ready for death. Row that angle 337 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: of it. It's almost like modern day Mangoni. This guy's 338 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: a good looking guy that everybody wants to All the 339 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: women are, oh my god, is he killed somebody? But 340 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: so what healthcare sucks in America? Is that component in 341 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: true crime stories important when it comes to virality, when 342 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: it comes to building the page, and when it comes 343 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 1: to seeking out information that you're not getting from the 344 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: legacy media. Because again, good looking guy, very intriguing. Savannah Guthrie, 345 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: very well known. You got Ted Bundy, a case that 346 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: was what five years ago that now is coming back 347 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: to the surface. Is that a component that really does 348 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: draw attention and a crowd. 349 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 2: So many different things I could comment on here that 350 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: are interesting. 351 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: Why I have you on? Yeah, go ahead away the uh. 352 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: The age of the serial killer is over in so 353 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 2: many ways, which is why I think these stories are 354 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 2: so interesting, especially to younger individuals like myself who didn't 355 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 2: really grow up in the era where these serial killers were, 356 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: you know, terrorizing the public. Now, there is a lot 357 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: to be said about some of those serial killer stories. 358 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: Some of those individuals I think are responsible for more 359 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,199 Speaker 2: victims than have been discovered. But there are stories like 360 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 2: the Son of Sam, where I believe that the police 361 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 2: got it all wrong and they actually I mean, I 362 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: don't know. There's a great series on Netflix called The 363 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: Sons of Sam and a great book by Mary Terry 364 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: or not Mary Terry. I think it's Mary Terry. I 365 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: can't remember his name. 366 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: But are you telling me that Berkowitz wasn't the Son 367 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: of Sam? What are you? What are you telling me that? 368 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 2: Well? I think that he was involved, but I think 369 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 2: that there's so much extenuating evidence, and there's so much 370 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 2: just materials surrounding the Son of Sam case. 371 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 1: I have to go a Binger Channel tonight. Now, I mean, 372 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: what the heck are you talking about? So there's newing 373 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: I have to learn about Franklin. You're saying that Burkowitz 374 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: might not have acted alone, but he was involved somehow. 375 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 1: Let's go back to Bundy because we just have we 376 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: have this late breaking evidence, and you and I can 377 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: talk for seven hours, truly, I think we can. We're 378 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 1: not going to it, but I think we can. When 379 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: it comes to Bundy, that case has been over for 380 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: so long. He's dead. He's long dead. And if I recall, 381 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: it was like seventeen co Eds or something that allegedly 382 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: he had a part in killing or killed himself. And 383 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: again here was this suaving debonair guy in the courtroom 384 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: really as a great lawyer, and now you're telling me 385 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: there's an allegation that he did something in Utah. I 386 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: mean that if that resurfaces now, you're probably going to 387 00:19:57,880 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: be able to do ten videos on that. And because 388 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: like you said, you're way younger than I am, I'm 389 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: probably old enough to be your father. So there are 390 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people from my era, from my generation, 391 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: who know a lot about this case. But there are 392 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: people that know nothing about this case. So, if I'm 393 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: a brand new viewer and I'm twenty eight and I 394 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: tune into into The Paranormal Files or Murder in America, 395 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: what do you need me to know about Ted Bundy 396 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: that's going to grab my attention and make me come 397 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: back every day. 398 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: Well, what we like to do with our shows is 399 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 2: tell the full story. And I mean that's kind of 400 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 2: something that you don't also get in the mainstream media 401 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: like Sudia. They don't have the time to be able to. 402 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: They make a lot of assumptions, whereas you can actually 403 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: spell the entire story out. I love that. 404 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's you know, that's my wife's life's work. 405 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: She absolutely is an incredible research and we have an 406 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,520 Speaker 2: incredible team of writers and researchers that help bring the 407 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 2: show to life. But you know, when Courtney and I, 408 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 2: my wife and I were starting the show, we kind 409 00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: of listen to other programs and the one thing that 410 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: we always thought and we kept telling each other was 411 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 2: we didn't feel like we were given enough information, Like 412 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,720 Speaker 2: we didn't know the full story. And so with Ted Bundy, 413 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,479 Speaker 2: I mean, you can watch a documentary about Ted Bundy 414 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 2: and learn an hour's worth of details about this guy's 415 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,200 Speaker 2: life and his crimes. But in reality, I mean, it 416 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: would take years to go through the full life story 417 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 2: if you had every detail. And that's kind of how 418 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: these crimes, you know, go unnoticed and undetected for so 419 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: many years. It's it's a thing where I mean, this 420 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: DNA is absolutely incredible. Just in Houston, I don't know 421 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: if you saw the news they had the they just 422 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 2: made an arrest in the Lover's Lane murders, which is 423 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: a very very famous unsolved homicide, double homicide here in Houston, 424 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 2: and it was through a DNA match. And recently in 425 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: Austin you also had an arrest made in the Yogurt 426 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: Shot murders, which is another infamous unsolved case, another DNA match. 427 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: We cover stories about this all the time on the show. 428 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: If I were someone who had murdered somebody back in 429 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: the seventies or sixties, and I had gotten away with 430 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 2: it up until this point, I would be shitting my 431 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: pants because this DNA is becoming so good and it's 432 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: just it's bringing all these stories back into the light. 433 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,479 Speaker 2: I mean, Ted Bundy, we're talking about a case that 434 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 2: really played out in the seventies eighties, but it's twenty 435 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 2: twenty six and we're finding new victims. Something that always 436 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: shocked me is John Wayne Gacy, paulgo of the Clown. 437 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 2: He's one of the most infamous serial killers in American history. 438 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: There are still victims of John Wayne Gacy's that have 439 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: never been identified. Same with here in Houston, Dean Coral, 440 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: the candy Man. I actually live in the heights where 441 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: Dean Coral was hunting for these young victims. His candy 442 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 2: shop was four blocks down the road from me. There 443 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 2: are victims of his that have still to this day 444 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: not been identified. So it's not shocking to me at 445 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 2: all that there would be another victim of Ted Bundy's 446 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 2: and I personally believe that there are even more. And 447 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 2: I think that sadly, because some of these killers were 448 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 2: good at what they did back then, we're never going 449 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 2: to be able to actually figure out the proper tally 450 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 2: of victims and kind of paint the full picture because, 451 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 2: let's just face it, they didn't have the technology back then. 452 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 2: It must have been so easy to be a murderer 453 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 2: back in the day when there were no live streams 454 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: and no security camera systems and no profiling and you know, 455 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: all this tech that we have now, it's always shocking 456 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 2: to me to think of, you know, what people got 457 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: away with back then that we still don't know about. Well. 458 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: Well, with Bundy, I'm surprised at Utah because he did 459 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: his killing in Florida, So I mean, that's crazy to me. 460 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 1: There was a case and I can't think of the 461 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: guy's name. You'll probably know this off the top of 462 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: your head, but there was a serial killer case where 463 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: the guy got away with it and just stopped doing it, 464 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: and they ended up getting him when he was in 465 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: his seventies. And it was a named case as well. 466 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: He was killing young women and it was a DNA 467 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: match from like nineteen seventy four or something. I think 468 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: the guy was a former cop. He was a cop, 469 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: and there were people found dead all over the place 470 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: where he was near, but they never tied two and 471 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: two together. And then they caught him when he was 472 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: in his sixties or seventies, and he admitted to everything, 473 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: and he started to say, oh, yeah, well, no, that's 474 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: not that one. There's another victim over there that I 475 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: buried over here. You know a case I'm talking about. 476 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 2: That I believe is Golden State Killer Joseph Danelo. 477 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, I mean you're right. People should be, 478 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: you know, taking that in their pants if they're a 479 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: killer and got away with it. You us think about it. 480 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety five, when OJ Simpson was on trial, 481 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: nobody trusted DNA, yet they had him dead to rights. 482 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: It was a one in eight billion chance and there 483 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 1: weren't eight billion people on earth yet that it was him, 484 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: and the jury still acquitted him. So people now trust DNA. 485 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: This is a science that I'm guessing evolved even more 486 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: since OJ Simpson. But do you think that what you 487 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: said earlier really jumped out at me? You think that 488 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: there are more victims of these serial killers than we know, 489 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: because I thought once they get caught, they're like, yeah, 490 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: there were seven more over here, and then I got 491 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: these people over here. Do you think they're not admitting 492 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: to everything. 493 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: There are tons of stories where years later more victims 494 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 2: are discovered. And I mean you had to put yourself 495 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: in that frame of mind, the mind of a killer, 496 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 2: for a moment back in the seven decade. 497 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, but we really honestly in can because we're not. 498 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: But I get it. So if you did the deed, 499 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: what would you do I mean, I get that, do 500 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: you know in your heart of hearts? And maybe your 501 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: wife and you talked about this on your podcast. Go 502 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: check it out Murder in America or check out the 503 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: Paranormal Files. Do you know why we're so interested in 504 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,439 Speaker 1: serial killers? What is it about cases like that that 505 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: makes us, as human beings that will never do anything 506 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: like that, so intrigued by it? 507 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 2: You know, I could sit here all day and try 508 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: to tell you what I believe in, but I don't 509 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 2: have the answers. Like my wife was a psych major 510 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 2: in college, That's what she graduated with a degree in psychology. 511 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: And she's tried to understand this for years. And you know, 512 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 2: I've had so many conversations with people like we do 513 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 2: the show because we'd like to memorialize victims. We like 514 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 2: to tell these stories. We like to keep these stories 515 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 2: alive and remind people of some of the horrific things 516 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 2: that have happened in US history that they don't want 517 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 2: to talk about. Or you know, we can't let people 518 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: forget about some of these things in these events. But 519 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. There are other individuals that are interested 520 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: in these stories for a multitude of reasons and it's 521 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 2: a whole spectrum. You know, there are people who are 522 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: psychologists and pathologists and people that really want to understand 523 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: the criminal psyche who are into these stories for those reasons, 524 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: and then there are also individuals who are inspired by 525 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: stories like this, you know, to commit further acts of violence. 526 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 2: So as horrific as that is, it's hard to even 527 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 2: come up with a singular reason why I would think 528 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: people are interested in these stories because there's so many 529 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: different reasons. And yeah, we've tried our hardest to make 530 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 2: a show that is focused on the victims, and we 531 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: donate every week to a different charity, and we work 532 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 2: with family members and survivers and it's been a really, 533 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: really rewarding journey. But at the same time time, it's 534 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: just so shocking to me to see how many murders 535 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: there are in America, not only every year, but I 536 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 2: mean every day. It's just it's an endless cycle of 537 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: violence that is a real problem in this country that 538 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 2: we are grappling with at all times, not even just 539 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: relating to guns, and you could get into the whole 540 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: debate of gun control and everything, but just the concept 541 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 2: of violence and murder. It is so prevalent in American 542 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 2: culture and society. You almost don't know what to even do. 543 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 2: It's just it's crazy. 544 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: The Paranormal Files is the YouTube page. Go there and 545 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,719 Speaker 1: follow right now. Make sure you subscribe. Also check out 546 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: Murder in America. It's Colin Brown. I'll leave you with 547 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: a couple of things. One, I think the reason why 548 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: we're so intrigued, just from my perspective, is a study 549 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: that was done twenty or thirty years ago about why 550 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: we slowed down and we rubberneck when there's an accident 551 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: on the highway. I think, first of all, we're glad 552 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't us, And second of all, we want to 553 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:55,919 Speaker 1: make sure we have empathy. We want to make sure 554 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 1: nobody's dead. We hope everybody survived the crash. When we 555 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: hear about the serial murderers, we think to ourselves, that 556 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: could easily have been me. How did they end up 557 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: becoming victims? How did they end up getting away with 558 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,360 Speaker 1: it so much? So I think that again, I think 559 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: mostly people are good, and we have human empathy. We 560 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,399 Speaker 1: want to know the ins and outs. But what I 561 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 1: do want to leave you with, and I want you 562 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: to leave my audience with, is how do you maintain 563 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:19,480 Speaker 1: your credibility. And the reason why I ask that is 564 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: there is so much AI now, there's so much misinformation 565 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: out there, so much disinformation. People will very fervently look 566 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: in the camera and say this is the way it 567 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: is at you and I because we have some knowledge. No, 568 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: it's not that way, but those who are watching will 569 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: believe it and will buy it hook line and sinker 570 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: in what I do in politics In that realm, there 571 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: are a lot of liars all the time, every day, 572 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: and you've got to sift through that. And I think 573 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 1: the reason why I'm so popular on TikTok and why 574 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: my show is so good on radio is that people 575 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: know I'm going to do the research and really give 576 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: them the skinny. Do you find that that's a barrier 577 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: as well, that you and your wife have to make 578 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 1: sure you dotted every eye, you crossed every t or 579 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: because if you lose credibility in what you do, you 580 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: lose your following, you lose your income. 581 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's very very interesting to me actually working in 582 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 2: not only in the true crime space in general with 583 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 2: my wife and I's show, but I have my entire 584 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: second podcast and channel which is exclusively about what people 585 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: would label conspiracy theories, but I'm more inclined to call 586 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 2: it alternate history. And with every single show that I 587 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 2: do for my channel, the Conspiracy Files, I provide the 588 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 2: primary source documents, and I link every single book that 589 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: I glean information from, and I link every program and 590 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,719 Speaker 2: every web page and you can visit and verify all 591 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: the information for yourself. And to me, that was incredibly 592 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: important starting the show, because I wanted to take these 593 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 2: stories like the Franklin story, like the Epstein story, that 594 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 2: we're living out beyond the realm of comprehension for most individuals, 595 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: to kind of pull them in to a point where 596 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: people could start to believe in these things, because it's 597 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: not like, you know, a conspiracy is really a conspirac 598 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: Most of the time, there's a there's a kernel of truth, 599 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: even if there's a lot of disinformation surrounding it, there's 600 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: always a little bit of truth where this whole thing, 601 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 2: you know, starts from it and it launches off from now. 602 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 2: I have had a lot of people, uh not only 603 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: send me disinformation, and I think that there are indeed 604 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: one thousand percent actual disinformation agents out there on the internet. 605 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 2: Person Clearly, there are no doubt. But like with Epstein stuff, 606 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 2: I covered any and every file that I could at 607 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: the very beginning when all these releases came out, and 608 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 2: I had tons of millions of people that were getting 609 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: this information from me, and I was providing every single document, 610 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: every source that I could possibly find. And it's so 611 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 2: funny to me because about a month in I all 612 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: of a sudden, in the same week, I had like 613 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,360 Speaker 2: four or five different people randomly take my video and say, Oh, 614 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: this guy's lying to you. He is saying this document 615 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 2: was this, And for example, this one guy's video got 616 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 2: like eight hundred thousand views, but he was lying in 617 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 2: his video about what I said. He just took a 618 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: screenshot of me and said that I said this, but 619 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: I was really saying this. 620 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: He was a cloud goblin. He was cloud grabbing because 621 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,000 Speaker 1: of your following and because of you your truth. But 622 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: see that's the problem. A guy like that will build 623 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: a following. And I don't know how you feel about 624 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: Candice Owans. I'll say, from my perspective, a lot of 625 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: what she said is BS. A lot of what she 626 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: says is tomorrow, I'm really going to reveal it. And 627 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 1: she gets three million views on every live stream that 628 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: she does. People are making fifteen and sixty thousand dollars 629 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: a day sometimes by doing that, so there's a great 630 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: incentive to lie. I love that you're not lying. I 631 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 1: love that you are in fact giving the evidence, giving 632 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: the links, showing the proof, because that's going to make 633 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: your channel explode even and soar higher than these other 634 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: channels that aren't telling the truth. I love that you 635 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:42,640 Speaker 1: do it that way. Listen, Colin, I could talk to 636 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: you for like seven hours, but I know that you're busy. 637 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: I know you just jumped in the chair getting back 638 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: from doing some work for the channel. So we've got 639 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: Paranormal files. You also have the conspiracy files. That's it, okay, 640 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 1: and then Murder in America is the podcast. Everybody should 641 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: go and check out everything that you do. I really 642 00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,920 Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. My daughter is one of your 643 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: biggest fans. I've become a very quick fan, and I'm 644 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: going to be binging this weekend most of what you 645 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: put out there. Let me leave you with this with 646 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: this one question. What is the number one video that's 647 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: gotten the top views on your channel that we should 648 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: maybe go and check out why they did so great? 649 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: And maybe it'll be an introduction to what it is 650 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: that you do. Is there one that's gone just nuts? 651 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 2: There's yeah, a couple. There's three that I would recommend. 652 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 2: The first is my top video, which is an interview 653 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,760 Speaker 2: I did with a guy about the Superstition Mountains in Arizona. 654 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 2: It's absolutely so compelling. Second would be a murder house 655 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: investigation that we did two years ago where we actually 656 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: brought in luminol and sprayed the house and we were 657 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: able to find all the bloodstains from this old murder 658 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 2: when we're investigating the house. It is a crazy video. 659 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 2: But my personal favorite video that I've ever done is 660 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: called Pedophile Island, and it is a trip that we 661 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: took to the Epstein Island that existed before Epstein in Michigan, 662 00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 2: in Lake Michigan, Oh Wow. And it's that story that's 663 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,959 Speaker 2: actually the base for the documentary series that now I've 664 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 2: spent the last two years investigating, traveling from Germany to 665 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: India hunting down perpetrators from this story that escape justice. 666 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 2: So if there's one documentary that I think people should watch, 667 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 2: it is Pedophile Island because it is just the most 668 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: mind blowing stuff you'll ever you'll see. It still blows 669 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: my mind and I've I've been working with survivors of 670 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 2: this network for the last few years. 671 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: I love I listen. I love the work that you do. 672 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go get myself familiar with 673 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: everything that you've done. I will check those out first. 674 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: Hopefully everybody watching and listen will do the same. The 675 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: Paranormal Files, the Conspiracy Files, Murder in America. I heard 676 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: his name is Colin Brown, and man, I hope he 677 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: can do this again. Thanks for finding me some time today. 678 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. 679 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: I'll come back on whenever. Man, I mean, the Epstein 680 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 2: rabbit hole is unending. It'sat we can talk about this 681 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: for weeks at this point. 682 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 1: One thousand percent. Colin, Thanks civilian brother. I appreciate you. 683 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: That's going to do it for unshaking and unafraid with 684 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 1: Joe Pegs this time. Make sure you subscribe. Another one 685 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: to drop very soon.