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Speaker 1: I'm you you A good Monday. To you in this

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Speaker 1: the middle of the Christmas season, I hope you were

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Speaker 1: enjoying the holidays, all of the pageantry, all the caroling,

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Speaker 1: all of the church services, all of the little kids

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Speaker 1: doing their their annual chaotic reenactment of the arrival of

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Speaker 1: Jesus in the world. But you know, it occurred to

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Speaker 1: me last night, touching missus Hewett and I were at

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Speaker 1: our highest and best uses last night. We were babysitting,

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Speaker 1: and we are driving on pretty late from where we

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Speaker 1: were babysitting, and there are many Christmas lights out, and

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Speaker 1: I realized lots of people don't know why we do

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Speaker 1: Christmas lights or what it's all about. They know it's

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Speaker 1: the holiday season, and we don't live in a post

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Speaker 1: Christian age. We live in an anti Christian age. We

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Speaker 1: live in an actually post post Christian age, one that

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Speaker 1: is resolutely secular. Some would say secular absolutism is our

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Speaker 1: media's religion, and I would agree with them. But nevertheless,

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Speaker 1: most Americans still believe that Christmas is real about a

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Speaker 1: real event that happened. I'll talk about this with Bethany

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Speaker 1: Mandel a little bit later in the program, and you

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Speaker 1: can listen to that if you want. Here's the short

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Speaker 1: summary for those of you who are driving around or

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Speaker 1: are watching on Salem News Channel. Here's just the short

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Speaker 1: summary of why we are here. There are always two stories.

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Speaker 1: Why you are where you are individually and why the

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Speaker 1: world is where it is collectively. And it's mostly history.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit of theology, but it's mostly history.

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Speaker 1: There's a logic embedded in the United States Declaration of

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Speaker 1: but mostly it's just history with a little bit of logic. Basics.

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Speaker 1: Big Bang happens thirteen point eight billion years ago. Science

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Speaker 1: agrees on that. Thirteen point eight years ago. Thirteen point

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Speaker 1: eight billion years ago. Everything got started with the Big Bang. Now,

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Speaker 1: who's the prime mover. We think it's God. Christians believe

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Speaker 1: it's God, so do Jews, and I think Muslims do

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Speaker 1: About four point five four billion years ago, the Earth

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Speaker 1: about two hundred thousand years ago, so mankind has been

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Speaker 1: on the Earth a relatively short period of time. Now.

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Speaker 1: Whenever Homo sapiens developed consciousness, the first thing they encountered

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Speaker 1: was the natural law. That's actually what sets us apart

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Speaker 1: recognition of natural law, and as soon as we realized it,

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Speaker 1: we broke it all right, So we are people of

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Speaker 1: free will, and inevitably, every single one of us, me, you,

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Speaker 1: everyone hearing this, we screw up, and we break the

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Speaker 1: natural law that is encoded into the universe by the

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Speaker 1: Big Banks Creator, whoever, whatever you want to call that.

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Speaker 1: The Big Bang Creator created a natural law. Inevitably, we

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Speaker 1: screw up. Recognizing that God the Creator chose the Jewish

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Speaker 1: Messiah has come to demonstrate the right way to act,

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Speaker 1: to demonstrate how to live, and to be the ultimate

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Speaker 1: Now God gave the Jews the Ten Commandments as a

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Speaker 1: greatness with God. That's the whole story. People who ask

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to in America. I'm Hugh Hewitt. Senator Marsha

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Speaker 1: state of Tennessee. Senator, your Titans beat my Browns yesterday,

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Speaker 1: to you. I hope you are having a great holiday season.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you about the legislative rush at the

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Speaker 1: end here. Are you going to do something about Obamacare

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Speaker 3: We are working through that Senators Cassidy and Crapo are

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Speaker 3: introducing an alternative today, and it has with getting resources

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Speaker 3: That the Democrats are the ones that want to keep

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Speaker 3: just funneling money to big insurance instead of focusing on

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Speaker 3: the root cause, which is the out of control cost

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Speaker 3: be paying for alcohol treatment? So some practicality needs to

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Speaker 3: Health savings accounts are important, cost saving reductions are important,

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Speaker 1: And succinctly said, if the problem is affordability, the answer

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Speaker 1: Bethane got so sick of all the holiday merrymaking inside

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Speaker 5: I am so disappointed to miss out on the party circuit.

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Speaker 1: Right now, Bethanie. What I like the most about your

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Speaker 5: At A lot of people have asked me. It's funny

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Speaker 5: But there's been times where I haven't let my kids

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Speaker 1: And the more you come back knowing about that, the better.

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Speaker 1: Continued Safe travels, Bethany Mandel. Will talk to you next

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Speaker 1: Joined by an old friend, Scott Johnson of Powerline blog

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Speaker 1: dot com.

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Speaker 2: Scott joined us from the Twin Cities.

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Speaker 1: Scott. Since your appearance last week to discuss the Somali

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Speaker 1: and smally American scandal concerning feed our future, I have

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Speaker 1: been inundated with requests for more data, and I have

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Speaker 1: gone without much success for a comprehensive overview of how

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Speaker 1: it got started, when it was first discovered. How could

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Speaker 1: Eric Holder have missed this when he vetted Tim Wall,

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Speaker 1: I've got a thousand questions. So since you're the og

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Speaker 1: is one of my guests, said the original guy on

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Speaker 1: the story, I asked you to come back, and I

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Speaker 1: hope we can start by having you set up. When

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Speaker 1: did you become aware of the scandal that was brewing

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Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities Somali community?

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Speaker 8: Do Amazingly enough, I first wrote about Somali fraud with

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Speaker 8: the link to terrorism for a City Journal column that

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Speaker 8: was published in twenty eighteen years ago. But after that,

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Speaker 8: this case, to use the lingo that the prosecutors use

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Speaker 8: went overt when federal agents flew into the Twin Cities

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Speaker 8: from all over the country and raided sites under search

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Speaker 8: warrants all over the Twin Cities. Federal agents fluent from

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Speaker 8: all over the United States. It was a big moment.

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Speaker 8: It was widely reported. The search warrants were sealed until

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Speaker 8: the I felt the searches went down. That's when we

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Speaker 8: became aware of this case that was in January twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty two, so it's nearly the case is nearly four

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Speaker 8: years old. Indictments followed. The first set of forty seven

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Speaker 8: indictments were announced by Andy Luger, the then US attorney,

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Speaker 8: in September twenty twenty two, and so far some fifty

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Speaker 8: defendants have pleted guilty. Two trials have been I covered

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Speaker 8: both of those trials on a daily basis for power Line.

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Speaker 8: I thought it was an incredibly interesting and important story

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Speaker 8: because of the immigration aspect. We have something like one

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Speaker 8: hundred thousand Somalis in the state of Minnesota, concentrated to

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Speaker 8: some extent in the Twin Cities, and this fraud was

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Speaker 8: concentrated in the Twin Cities but also around the state.

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Speaker 9: It's just unbelievable. So I thought it was an incredibly

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Speaker 9: interesting story.

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Speaker 8: And after the second of these trials, which included a

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Speaker 8: white ringleader named Amy Bach, who was the CEO of

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Speaker 8: this nonprofit sponsor of all these Somali sites around the state.

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Speaker 9: Her name is Amy Bach.

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Speaker 8: She was on trial and the second of the two

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Speaker 8: trials with one of her biggest Somali fraudsters. After that,

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Speaker 8: the guilty verdicts were returned in that case, which I

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Speaker 8: had reported on, as I say on a daily basis,

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Speaker 8: I wrote up a column for the Washington Free Beacon

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Speaker 8: about the guilty verdicts of trying to give the kind

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Speaker 8: of review that you're asking before right now, and I

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Speaker 8: thought it would some attention, But no, I've just been

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Speaker 8: talking to myself mostly for the past four years, and

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Speaker 8: the case has now exploded because of the column that

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Speaker 8: Chris Ruffo wrote for City Journal and President Trump's taking

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Speaker 8: note and announcing that he was terminating temporary protected status

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Speaker 8: immigration status for Somali's in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: Well, let me give you my big takeaway. Then we're

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Speaker 1: going to dive into some deal detail. Scott. I have

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Speaker 1: a column coming out for Fox tomorrow arguing that President

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Speaker 1: Trump has an opportunity to use this moment to turn

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Speaker 1: the searchlight on COVID era fraud everywhere. Because in California,

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Speaker 1: of course, the unemployment claims filed by people in prison

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Speaker 1: built the state of a minimum twenty billion, the maximum's

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Speaker 1: thirty two billion. These are bees, all right, twenty billion

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Speaker 1: dollars in unemployment fraud from people in prison to thirty

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Speaker 1: two billion.

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Speaker 2: Those are the estimates never made a ripple. It never dented.

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom, I am curious, what do you think the

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Speaker 1: number is of all the different grips in a Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: whether it's Feed Our Future or the autistic children. There

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Speaker 1: are many different gripts they're being investigated. What's the total

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Speaker 1: builk number in terms of money stolen.

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Speaker 8: In the constellation of the Feeding Our Future cases, the

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Speaker 8: two that have gone to trial. I think there's a

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Speaker 8: number of three hundred million dollars of those that have

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Speaker 8: been submitted to a jury. But one of those frauds

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Speaker 8: remains to be prosecuted with its full extent. That's from

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Speaker 8: another nonprofit that might get us up to four hundred

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Speaker 8: and fifty or five hundred million dollars. But the Feeding

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Speaker 8: Our Future cases, and there have been eighty seven indictments

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Speaker 8: in those cases. Those cases opened a window onto another

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Speaker 8: set of frauds in fourteen so called Wavered program in

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Speaker 8: Minnesota Medicaid, and they appear to be virtually invitations to

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Speaker 8: fraud that were accepted by a white swath of the

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Speaker 8: Somali community, and those the most knowledgeable person in the

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Speaker 8: state of Minnesota is the chief prosecutor of these cases,

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Speaker 8: Joe Thompson. Joe has said that his office he thinks

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Speaker 8: will be able to prosecute up to one billion dollars,

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Speaker 8: but that the total fraud in.

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Speaker 9: These all these cases will be in the billions.

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Speaker 1: Noot long ago, a guy named James Fallows, who used

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Speaker 1: to be a pretty good reporter, wrote a story on

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Speaker 1: Pathway immigration how one immigrant group would put down a

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Speaker 1: stake in this case, it was I believe people from

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Speaker 1: Guatemala in the stores of Houston cleaning, and then others

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Speaker 1: would come in and the community would gather around it.

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Speaker 1: You've got a large Somali community in Minnesota. There's another

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Speaker 1: large Somali commun unity in Portland, Maine. Those are the

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Speaker 1: two places that, for whatever in the wisdom in the

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Speaker 1: federal government, we decided to plant refugees from Somalia in

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Speaker 1: the Twin Cities and Maine. Would you expect, as a

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Speaker 1: good lawyer who studied this case, that the practices of

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Speaker 1: the corrupt in Minnesota will have transferred to the corrupt

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Speaker 1: Somalis in Maine. Because there's no headlines yet, I'm just

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Speaker 1: curious what your instinct.

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Speaker 8: Is you and that column that I vote for the

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Speaker 8: Washington Free Beacon about these cases. I said to that

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Speaker 8: this is what you get when you cross a third

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Speaker 8: world tribal culture with a corrupt democratic establishment.

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Speaker 9: That's what we have in Minnesota. I don't know Maine

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Speaker 9: well enough to say, but I think it's a.

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Speaker 1: Corrupt democratic establishment. It's a corrupt democratic establishment.

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Speaker 8: The Somali culture is tribal, and what you have here

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Speaker 8: is an intensely tribal culture taking advantage of the Native Minnesota.

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Speaker 8: You know, Minnesota and Ice, let's put it that way.

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Speaker 8: So I would expect that that will travel, and I

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Speaker 8: wouldn't be surprised to see it elsewhere. But this medicaid fraud,

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Speaker 8: who's these waivered programs are special to Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: They're just ludicrous.

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Speaker 8: So I would expect the fraud might be taking place

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Speaker 8: where the opportunity is there, and the opportunity has been

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Speaker 8: here to a maximum stand in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: So I've spent time over at power Line trying to

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Speaker 1: find the various article you've added a third wheel. Bill,

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Speaker 1: tell me about Bill. I don't know any about Bill Well.

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Speaker 8: Bill is a former deputy commissioner from from the Timpleanny administration.

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Speaker 8: A very knowledgeable guy, and he's a fellow at the

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Speaker 8: center of the American American Experiment. My colleague, longtime colleague

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Speaker 8: at power Line as John Hinderocker. He's been working for John,

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Speaker 8: a senior fellow at the Center, for the past several years.

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Speaker 8: And Bill has taken this up, the subject up in

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Speaker 8: a methodical way. He posts both that Center of the

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Speaker 8: American Experiment site and a power Line And if you

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Speaker 8: want to get into the details, there's nobody better than Bill.

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Speaker 9: And he's very well spoken too well.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm going to have to read the detail

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Speaker 1: and that My next question is, after you submitted your

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Speaker 1: piece to the Free Beacon, did anyone ever I've read

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Speaker 1: the roof of piece with the second author. I can't

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Speaker 1: think of his name right now. It's some Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: somewhat comprehensive, but it isn't really. It's limited in time

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Speaker 1: and scope. Has anyone done a deep dive into how

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Speaker 1: vast the corruption is in Minnesota and not just in

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Speaker 1: the Somali community. It would seem to me that anyone

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Speaker 1: with a brain would take advantage of these programs.

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Speaker 8: Well, he I first got a window onto this finale,

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Speaker 8: I would say, in the terrorism trial that was conducted

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Speaker 8: before federal.

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Speaker 9: Judge Michael Davis in twenty sixteenth, which.

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Speaker 8: I also covered on a daily basis for power Line.

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Speaker 8: There were nine Somalis charged with material aid to terrorism

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Speaker 8: as they sought to join ISIS in Syria, and these

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Speaker 8: guys were turned on by the prospect of chopping heads

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Speaker 8: and joining the teahat the six of them pleaded guilty.

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Speaker 8: The three who went to trial at the trial that

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Speaker 8: to take advantage of financial aid to promote what they

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Speaker 8: wanted to do. One of these guys, his last move

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Speaker 8: was to take his student loan debit card and cash

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Speaker 8: it out for five hundred dollars to buy a ticket

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Speaker 8: to Turkey. It was unbelievable. I mean, you know you

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Speaker 8: could use a debit card for your student loan. Well,

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Speaker 8: I learned that first bad trial, so I had some

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Speaker 8: insight about the sophistication in finding the seams and these

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Speaker 8: programs for let's say their private purposes.

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Speaker 1: They're worst actors. I'm going to talk with Scott during

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Speaker 1: the break, and it's going to be on the other

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Speaker 1: side because I think my suggestion to President Trump is

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Speaker 1: that he actually throw a searchlight on the COVID era

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Speaker 1: giveaways because my guess is where we found one giant

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Speaker 1: nest of corruption. We will find others. Coming back with

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Speaker 1: Scott during the break will all be over at YouTube

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Speaker 1: as well, and he'll be on the other side. When

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Speaker 1: we returned to the Guji show. I'm back with Scott

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Speaker 1: Johnson of power Line. You can read power Line Blog

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Speaker 1: at power line blog dot com. Scott, what role, if any,

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Speaker 1: did Tim Walls and Keith Ellison, the governor and the

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Speaker 1: Attorney General, respectively of Minnesota have in turning their heads

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Speaker 1: the other way so as not to see this corruption.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's probably a little bit worse than that. Bill

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Speaker 9: Gland from the.

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Speaker 8: Second of these trials, these Feeding our Future trials that

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Speaker 8: I'm referring to. Bill got the audio recording of Keith

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Speaker 8: Ellison meeting with the fraudsters and they were seeking his

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Speaker 8: help and fighting back against the forces that they thought

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Speaker 8: they were contending with that were trying to put a

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Speaker 8: crip in their program. And Allison, you know about his

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Speaker 8: support and blah blah blah blah blah.

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Speaker 9: You have to hear it to believe it. It's a

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Speaker 9: forty five minute recording.

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Speaker 8: So Allison was at the least guilty of nonfeasance and

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Speaker 8: at worst guilty of complicity. And his office did a

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Speaker 8: pitiful job representing the Minnesota Department of Education when they

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Speaker 8: were sued by Feeding our Future, the chief the sponsor

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Speaker 8: of the fraudsters. It was a pitiful performance, that's all

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Speaker 8: I can tell you. And so when push camp to shove,

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Speaker 8: they gave up. They gave Feeding our Future everything they

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Speaker 8: wanted in that lawsuit and went on their very way.

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Speaker 8: And when this thing became a scandal, that was in

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty one that that lawsuit was resolved by remote

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Speaker 8: Attorney General's office. When this thing became a scandal in

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Speaker 8: twenty twenty two, Tim Walls blamed the judge for forcing

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Speaker 8: him to continue to make these payments. And it was

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Speaker 8: this that was in September twenty twenty two, when the

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Speaker 8: indictments came out and the judge que issued I would

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Speaker 8: say an extraordinary public statement that this posted online.

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Speaker 9: His name is John Guthman.

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Speaker 8: Gutdhma n had refuting Walls's attribution of blame to him,

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Speaker 8: And you have to read the whole thing to believe it.

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Speaker 8: I had a Joe Joe Biden moment last week when

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Speaker 8: we were talking when I was trying to remember my

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Speaker 8: Wall Street Journal column about Walls. I quoted that statement

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Speaker 8: of Judge Gouthman in the Wall Street Journal column, trying

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Speaker 8: to make a point about the dishonesty with which Walls

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Speaker 8: has dealt with this program on the few occasions when

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Speaker 8: he's been asked about this fraud program, for the few

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Speaker 8: occasions he's been asked about it.

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Speaker 1: Last question before we go back on the network, is

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Speaker 1: anyone other than power Line following the story in Minnesota?

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Speaker 1: It's now got national attention and Fox News others are

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Speaker 1: diving deep into this, But is the the remnant of

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Speaker 1: the Star Tribune is Minnesota Public Radio? Is anyone digging

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Speaker 1: into it? You got thirty seconds before we go back

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Speaker 1: on air.

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Speaker 9: I greatly admire the local reporter group.

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Speaker 8: Lou Ragoose r A g U s E at our

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Speaker 8: local care eleven broadcaster. Lou posts fact checking videos on

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Speaker 8: his x site and he has one d D ticking

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Speaker 8: up the question of how much was lost in these frauds,

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Speaker 8: which refuses start tribute story we should talk about.

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Speaker 1: How do you spell last name?

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Speaker 8: Our ag u s E Lou l Ou Lou Ragoose excellent.

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Speaker 8: I posted his video on powerline just where I came

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Speaker 8: on with you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we will go repost that shortly. We're coming

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Speaker 1: back on the national feed shortly.

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Speaker 4: It's beginning to go up like Christmas.

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Speaker 1: It's doing Christmas every day of the year for the

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Speaker 1: fraudsters in Minnesota. I'm hugh. He went back with Scott Johnson,

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Speaker 1: one of the founders of power Line Blog. You can

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Speaker 1: visit power line blog dot com. Scott. In Tomorrow's Fox

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Speaker 1: News column, I point out that when Kamala Harris became

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Speaker 1: the nominee of the Democratic Party, she appointed a committee

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Speaker 1: of two Eric Holder and former White House Council Dana Remis,

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Speaker 1: Eric Holder of Courts, the former Attorney General, to quote

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Speaker 1: vet the nominees who could be her running mate. They

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Speaker 1: vetted and cleared Tim Walls. Was that malpractice on their

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Speaker 1: part given the record that was known in the summer

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Speaker 1: during Bratt's summer in twenty twenty four, Well.

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Speaker 8: That was the gist of the Wall Street Wall Street

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Speaker 8: drawn column that I wrote tod after Harris selected Walls,

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Speaker 8: and I don't understand how they landed on him. There

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Speaker 8: were better candidates out there. He wasn't even know a

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Speaker 8: good politician yet, with the jazz hands and the whole thing.

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Speaker 8: He became kind of a laughing stock. But that was

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Speaker 8: aside from this. This scandal didn't make it into the

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Speaker 8: national news during the campaign, and yet was it was

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Speaker 8: out there for anyone with eyes to see. So I

726
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Speaker 8: find that a hard question to answer. I don't know

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Speaker 8: how we passed the test. You think they really have

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Speaker 8: nobody if they landed on him.

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Speaker 1: Well, this is what brings me to the next step.

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Speaker 1: The fact that there's focus and interest across national media

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Speaker 1: now in your story that power Line covered better than

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Speaker 1: anyone else leads me to hope that the same level

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Speaker 1: of interest will now turn to the Department of Unemployment

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Speaker 1: in California, run exclusively by two Gavin Newsom employees. Throughout

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Speaker 1: the COVID era and the fraud, there is between twenty

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Speaker 1: and thirty two billion dollars given the There are hundreds

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Speaker 1: of cases because there are hundreds of little prisoner groups

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Speaker 1: inside the prisons who filed for and got unemployment COVID benefits.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this volcano of corruption in Minnesota is

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Speaker 1: going to set off attention to other volcanoes, and maybe

741
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Speaker 1: beyond Minnesota and California, maybe in every blue state do

742
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Speaker 1: you think that that's what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 8: Well, it would take someone with the public relations genius

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Speaker 8: of christ Re Roofle.

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Speaker 9: I'm afraid to make that happen. But a whole springs

746
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Speaker 9: eternal I hope you can.

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Speaker 6: Do with you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I just what do you think you've covered?

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Speaker 1: You sat in those trials, you listen to the testimony,

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Speaker 1: you listen to prosecutor. Do you think the federal government,

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Speaker 1: the DOJ, has a plan to take down the fraud

752
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Speaker 1: of the COVID era because it's so big.

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Speaker 2: It's bigger than prohibition, It's it's just massive.

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Speaker 8: Well, I'm thinking while you're talking, we're lucky that these

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Speaker 8: cases have been prosecuted. I wanted to mention the chief

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Speaker 8: prosecutor in these cases is a native Minnesota named Joe Thompson,

757
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Speaker 8: whose first legal experience was prosecuting public corruption in Chicago.

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Speaker 8: He was recruited to come back to Minnesota by Andy

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Speaker 8: Lueger and has led the prosecution of these cases. But

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Speaker 8: it's not a huge office. He's got four or five

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Speaker 8: prosecutors maybe working for him on all these cases. And

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Speaker 8: the limitations that he's experiencing, our limitation of resources in

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Speaker 8: being able to prosecute these cases. They just don't have

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Speaker 8: the team that's necessary to deal with the magnitude of

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Speaker 8: the fraud that Minnesota is special. I think because of

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Speaker 8: these wavered uh we have five hundred million dollars of

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Speaker 8: this COVID free lunch, free lunch program fraud. The rest

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Speaker 8: of the fraud, to a great extent, of these Minnesota

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Speaker 8: wavered medicaid programs that are just ludicrous, you know you

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Speaker 8: refer to them. Unfortunately, I didn't keep my mind notes

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Speaker 8: from prepared preparing to talk with you last week. I'm

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Speaker 8: struggling to remember these, you know, the autism case and

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Speaker 8: the Housing Stabilization Services case. This Housing Stabilization Services is

774
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Speaker 8: a Minnesota program supposedly to help the homeless find housing.

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Speaker 8: It was budgeted at two million dollars when they legislature

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Speaker 8: adopted it, and it.

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Speaker 9: Has zoomed up to something like a hundred plus million

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Speaker 9: dollars In the last year.

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Speaker 8: They've spent something like two hundred and forty million dollars

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Speaker 8: on I'm going to say the whole program is riddled

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Speaker 8: with fraud, and it's so bad that Walls has shut

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Speaker 8: it down and he has suspended these fourteen Minnesota we

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Speaker 8: were medicaid programs.

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Speaker 9: That's what I know about.

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Speaker 8: You know, we're waiting for the hammer to fall on

786
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Speaker 8: the rest of these cases.

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Speaker 9: A few of them have been charged.

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Speaker 8: There's been a guilty plane I think in the first

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Speaker 8: Housing Stabilization Services case, and those are Somali frauds too.

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Speaker 8: I'm sorry to say, but that appears to be the

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Speaker 8: same cast of characters.

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Speaker 9: That's how we.

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Speaker 8: Happened onto these cases is that some of the defendants

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Speaker 8: in the Feeding our Future fraud case we're running these

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Speaker 8: other Minnesota medicaid program.

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Speaker 1: That makes perfect sense. Of course they would be. It's

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Speaker 1: like asking baby Face Nelson, why did you rob banks?

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Speaker 1: And the answer is because that's where the money is. Well,

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Speaker 1: why did you defraud the Minnesota state government? Because they

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Speaker 1: didn't care. But I'm also I'm working on the theory

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Speaker 1: that blue state corruption is not unique, that bureaucracy are

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Speaker 1: greatly afraid of the charge of racism. That's what I

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Speaker 1: think is underlying the indifference to the fraud here. Do

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Speaker 1: you agree with me or is it more sophisticated than that.

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Speaker 8: I can tell you that at Minnesota that's one percent

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Speaker 8: the case when Feeding our Future brought that Boss against

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Speaker 8: the Minnesota Department of Education, which was administering the free

808
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Speaker 8: food program. The charge was racism. All this Ani Moch

809
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Speaker 8: had recruited a large cast of Somali fraudsters, and when

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Speaker 8: the acts was going to fall, when the acts could

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Speaker 8: have fallen, if anyone at the Minnesota Department of Education

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Speaker 8: had driven to one of these fraudulent sites and seeing

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Speaker 8: nobody there, they cried racism and they recruited Keith Ellison

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Speaker 8: to help them on that basis. They were being persecuted

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Speaker 8: because they were a minority. And here one thing I

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Speaker 8: didn't mention last week when we spoke. I mean, we've

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Speaker 8: seen things in these cases that we've never seen elsewhere

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Speaker 8: in Minnesota. And the first beating our future case involved

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Speaker 8: seven defendants, several of them got together at the end

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Speaker 8: of the case and he had two hundred thousand dollars

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Speaker 8: in cash to be dropped off at the home of

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Speaker 8: a juror whom they had identified as possibly sympathetic to them.

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Speaker 8: And thank god, the juror called the local police and

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Speaker 8: the FBI.

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Speaker 9: Got involved that night.

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Speaker 8: But uh, juror bribery, that's a new one out here

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Speaker 8: in Minnesota.

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Speaker 9: And that's how that first case ended.

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Speaker 8: It's I give that the folks prosputing hit these cases

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Speaker 8: a little bit of grief that they didn't scoop up

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Speaker 8: all the cash search.

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Speaker 9: For us don't to try to bribe a juror. But

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Speaker 9: it didn't work.

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Speaker 8: And one of the seven who was acquitted at that

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Speaker 8: first trial has it is involved in the jur bribry

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Speaker 8: and is going to go to prison in that case.

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Speaker 8: So thank the Lord as well that he's not going

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Speaker 8: to go Scott free.

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Speaker 1: Well, kudos to you, Scott W. Johnson into your colleagues

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Speaker 1: at power Line. I will continue to check it daily

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Speaker 1: for updates. Don't over don't overlook the fact that a

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Speaker 1: comprehensive rite up by the one, two or three of

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Speaker 1: you of a timeline, et cetera, would be of great

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Speaker 1: use to everyone going forward, because it's just a very

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Speaker 1: confusing story. And every time I go around another corner

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Speaker 1: or I'm just astonished that had happened in minnesot cold,

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Speaker 1: you know, good old nice Minnesota where everyone opens the

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Speaker 1: door for each other and it's hot dishes for all around.

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Speaker 1: I just I can't believe it. But what it makes

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Speaker 1: me think about San Francisco and La crime and fraud

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Speaker 1: that gives me shivers. Scott W. Johnson follow him on

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Speaker 1: x go to power Line blog dot com and get

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Speaker 1: smart about this case. I'm glad that City Journals following

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Speaker 1: up on it. But the og is the guy I'm

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Speaker 1: talking to, Scott Johnson, and I appreciate your time. Scott.

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Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere America. I'm Heugh, youw Att stay tuned.

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Speaker 10: That's no matter how the farway. When you pine for

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Speaker 10: the sunshine of a friend of the game all day,

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Speaker 10: you can't be home.

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Speaker 2: We aimed please here at the who Hewett Show.

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Speaker 1: So when Vic matdis cohost of Begetting Hammered podcast, which

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Speaker 1: has returned, by the way, we'll celebrate that, requested the

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Speaker 1: Robert Gleay version.

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Speaker 2: Of this song.

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Speaker 1: We were quick to find that you have Adam to

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Speaker 1: thank for that. Merry Christmas? How are you Merry Christmas? Hugh,

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Speaker 1: and thank you Adam.

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Speaker 11: It is a great version of that song because Gulet

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Speaker 11: is so silly.

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Speaker 2: You just have to embrace the cheese.

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Speaker 11: If you listen to the very end of the song,

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Speaker 11: he's talking about the chicken pot pies and there's a

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Speaker 11: tear in his eye.

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Speaker 2: It's great stuff. You just have to embrace the cheese.

875
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: You absolutely do.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to embrace the applause. You and Mary

877
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Speaker 1: Catherine are back now. I haven't listened to the new episode.

878
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you about it first. Is

879
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Speaker 1: it a Christmas special or is it the beginning of

880
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Speaker 1: a regular routine?

881
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 11: Again, always is the beginning of a regular routine here

882
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 11: once a week, so let's not all get too excited.

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Speaker 2: I know you wanted us to go three, four or

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Speaker 2: five times. Yeah, yeah, I did actually once a week

885
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Speaker 2: for now, and it was a lot of news.

886
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Speaker 11: We did a little quick catch up on our lives

887
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 11: over the last couple of months, but it is largely news.

888
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Speaker 11: We'll probably get to a Christmas one in the next

889
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Speaker 11: couple of weeks.

890
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:13,960
Speaker 2: I believe we're taping.

891
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Speaker 11: Tomorrow, so I think our next episode is going to

892
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Speaker 11: be on Wednesday. But we just wanted to focus on

893
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Speaker 11: everything that's happening all around us, whether it be Minnesota

894
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Speaker 11: or Venezuela, you name it.

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Speaker 2: We are all over it again. We're back.

896
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Speaker 1: We ran into your co host, Mary Catherine leaving a party,

897
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Speaker 1: potentially missus. You and I are the first to arrive,

898
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Speaker 1: first to leave. That's just what we are. We don't

899
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Speaker 1: much care for missing Ohio State games. So we were

900
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Speaker 1: going out the door and in walk Mary Catherine and

901
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: shit obviously been celebrating Georgia's win, and I think that's just.

902
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Speaker 2: Fine, but it would have been that would be rough.

903
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: Got if you were a Georgia fan and it was

904
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Speaker 1: a weekend of a holiday party. Did you are you

905
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Speaker 1: a holiday party person? I'm not.

906
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Speaker 2: I don't like them.

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Speaker 11: Well, Hugh, I think when I was younger and I

908
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Speaker 11: was out in the town, I used to go to

909
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Speaker 11: all of them, whether it be Heritage or Hoover or.

910
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Speaker 2: Any of the other media parties.

911
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 11: If you remember back in the day in the Weekly Standard,

912
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:09,879
Speaker 11: he used to have a great one too.

913
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: I really didn't want to miss AEI.

914
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Speaker 11: I didn't want to miss any of those, Hudson, you

915
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Speaker 11: name it, I was there. And now maybe it's you know,

916
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 11: definitely our own party at the.

917
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:20,919
Speaker 2: Free Beacon because I work here.

918
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Speaker 11: I definitely show up for that to my wife's and

919
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:24,879
Speaker 11: that's about it.

920
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Hey, I had a party that had to be the

921
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,080
Speaker 1: dullest party in America. I mean, I love the work

922
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: that they do, don't get me wrong, but AEI that

923
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: it's not got a reputation for really ripping and rarin.

924
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Speaker 11: Yeah no, it's not like you know, you should have

925
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Speaker 11: seen Herbstein doing the cake stand.

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Speaker 5: It was.

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Speaker 2: Let me turn to the Kennedy Center Honors last night.

928
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Speaker 1: I got a last second invite from a buddy of

929
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Speaker 1: a buddy, and you know, I said, no thanks, we're babysitting,

930
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Speaker 1: so my son and daughter in Locke can go. And

931
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Speaker 1: they had a blast at the Kennedy Center Honors last night.

932
00:51:57,239 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: And apparently Donald Trump at the the Oscars because he

933
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Speaker 1: killed it. What do you think about that trumpet the Oscars?

934
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Speaker 1: The ratings would benefit right.

935
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Speaker 11: Oh, people who would definitely watch, whether it because they

936
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Speaker 11: they love him or to hate watch them. You know,

937
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 11: that's guaranteed ratings boom. You know, we have to wait,

938
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Speaker 11: most of us, You have to wait for the official

939
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Speaker 11: broadcast later on CBS. But I got an indication how

940
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Speaker 11: good he was because it's the first thing I read

941
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Speaker 11: in the morning in Politico's playbook, and they grudgingly had

942
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Speaker 11: to conceive that, you know what, he was pretty good

943
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Speaker 11: at this, And of course he's good at this.

944
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Speaker 2: The guy was made for TV.

945
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Speaker 11: He spent many years, you know, on NBC's The Apprentice,

946
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Speaker 11: and he's been in movies, you name it. He is

947
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 11: a natural, whether it be his body language or his cadence,

948
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Speaker 11: he knows what he's doing.

949
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, I heard he was a big hit.

950
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: What I would love to see is will Smith storm

951
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: the stage and see how close he got to the

952
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: President before the Secret Service took him down, preferably physically,

953
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 1: not with lethal force, of course, But you know, you

954
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't get to slap the president, no matter what you

955
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 1: said about Jada bin Kat.

956
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,160
Speaker 2: No, that's right, But I don't think. I don't think

957
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 2: Donald Trump would go there. You know, it's not clear

958
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: to me. You know, his friendships in Hollywood.

959
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 11: I think there are a lot of people who actually

960
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 11: might like him but are too.

961
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: Afraid to admit that. And so I mean, that would

962
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: be interesting to see play out.

963
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 11: But of course, yeah, you're not going to have a

964
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 11: shocker where Chris Rock is going to be completely unprotected

965
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 11: while people on the side think this is some part

966
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Speaker 11: of an act, and of course it wasn't, and it

967
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Speaker 11: was uncomfortable for everybody.

968
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 2: No, that's not going to happen with Trump on stage obviously.

969
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: Now, Vick, have you run into the phenomenon that people

970
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: won't admit that the president is funny. I mean, I disagree.

971
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: I've got a long list of things I disagree with

972
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: him on. Most recently, I think he's mad at me

973
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: because I'm for the filibuster and I'll throw myself in

974
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: front of anyone who wants to change the filibuster.

975
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 2: But he's funny. Do you run into people who don't,

976
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: who will refuse to admit that he's funny.

977
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: He's got good timing.

978
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 11: Yeah, And I think what they do is they just

979
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 11: turn it off one to actually have to admit that

980
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 11: he's very good with timing.

981
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 2: But I do know a lot of people who will concede.

982
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 11: They'll be like, you know, if only he was doing

983
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 11: this in not running the country, or if he wasn't

984
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 11: in charge of policies that I really disagree with, because again,

985
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 11: there's a reason why he was on NBC for so long,

986
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 11: and that he did a number of comedies, and that

987
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 11: he was on you know, WWE wrestling doing various you know,

988
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 11: stunts and even even his little cameo bit on Home

989
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 11: Alone two.

990
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 12: People watch Home Alone two just to see that part. Yeah,

991
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,919
Speaker 12: So yeah, he's very good. So Vick, let me turn

992
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 12: to the Minnesota fraud star. I spent a half hour

993
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 12: with Scott Johnson in power Line. I'm just getting my

994
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 12: arms around it. Do you think it could potentially lead

995
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 12: to other people studying other COVID frauds because California had

996
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 12: one of between twenty and thirty billion with the unemployment

997
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 12: checks to the prisoners. Do you think this might be

998
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 12: a stepping stone to studying every COVID program and.

999
00:54:57,440 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: How much got ripped off?

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00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 11: Well, it should, And as you're mentioning, a lot of

1001
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 11: people are saying, if you think Minnesota is bad, look

1002
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 11: at California. So this could not have come at a

1003
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Speaker 11: worse time for Governor Gaviniesem as he's thinking obviously of running.

1004
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 2: For president next year.

1005
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 11: We know that the fraud was rampant, people took advantage

1006
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 11: of it in a lot of states.

1007
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: But the question is.

1008
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 11: Who among the higher ups, who among our elected officials,

1009
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 11: had any knowledge of this happening In Minnesota. There's questions

1010
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,600
Speaker 11: about Keith Ellison, as you know, who I believe is

1011
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 11: the Attorney General of the state of Minnesota, meeting with

1012
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Speaker 11: some of these people before these investigations took place. And

1013
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,080
Speaker 11: now people are wondering, what are the implications for a

1014
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 11: Congresswoman elan Omar. I have to tell you again the

1015
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Speaker 11: fraud was rampant even in my home state of New Jersey.

1016
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Speaker 11: I have you know there are two people I know

1017
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Speaker 11: who got caught up in this fraud.

1018
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: Scheme, and it's no joke. You know one's in jail.

1019
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: I really believe it's President Trump's unique opportunity to throw

1020
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: a searchlight on the way gar approaches entitlements and how

1021
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 1: they just give the money away rather than say no.

1022
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Speaker 1: I hope he takes advantage of it. Talk to you

1023
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Speaker 1: next week.

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Speaker 13: Vic.

1025
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Speaker 1: The new edition of Getting Hammered is available wherever you

1026
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: get your podcasts, and we're very pleased that they're back

1027
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: on a weekly basis at Getting Hammered. Mary Kapernham and

1028
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,320
Speaker 1: Vic Mattis stay tuned, America. I'm here doing joining me today.

1029
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Speaker 1: Admiral Mark Montgomery, retired from the United States Navy Navy

1030
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Speaker 1: is senior Fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy.

1031
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Speaker 1: Merry Christmas to you, Admiral. I'm wondering how many Christmas

1032
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: seasons did you spend away from home when you were

1033
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 1: serving the United States Navy.

1034
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Speaker 6: You know, my wife and I were talking about it.

1035
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Speaker 13: First of all, happy holidays and Merry Christmas to you

1036
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 13: as well to the My wife and I were talking about.

1037
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Speaker 6: This and I'd say, is fifty on Christmas.

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Speaker 13: Weirdly, it was like one hundred percent of my birthday

1039
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Speaker 13: and look close to zero percent of my wife's birthday,

1040
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 13: which is good planning.

1041
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: Biden, that was smart, That was good maybe planning. They

1042
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: always took care of the spouses. But it's just it's

1043
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: a reminder that we're all having fun because the holidays,

1044
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: but there are a lot of people floating around the

1045
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: big blue ocean who do not have that opportunity, are

1046
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: based far away on land as well, and we should

1047
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Speaker 1: keep them in our thoughts. Admiral, I wanted to talk

1048
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: to you about the NDAA and the fact it isn't

1049
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: past yet and it isn't funded yet. Can you talk

1050
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 1: about why that is crazy? I think it's crazy that

1051
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: we're in this situation. What should the American publicly think

1052
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 1: about this?

1053
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 13: Well, we should be disappointed at ourselves. And it starts

1054
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 13: with I will say, in an election season, the year

1055
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,919
Speaker 13: after an election change over, there's it's always a little

1056
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:39,479
Speaker 13: bit late.

1057
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Speaker 6: But we've come to accept this. We've come to accept

1058
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Speaker 6: that this is a win right now, the fact that.

1059
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Speaker 13: The conference report is done pre Christmas, so they could

1060
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 13: do the votes. The House and Senate can vote and

1061
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 13: pass the NDA over the next two weeks. Most likely

1062
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 13: it's considered a win in Washington. You know, if you

1063
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Speaker 13: were doing your home bowsing or checkbook and you and

1064
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 13: your spouse finished it three months late and for three

1065
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Speaker 13: months didn't know what you could and couldn't buy, you would.

1066
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Speaker 6: Not desire a win. Right, you got a loss. But

1067
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Speaker 6: inside the military it's a win. So here's what I'll

1068
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Speaker 6: tell you.

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Speaker 13: I'm I'm excited that they're at least getting it done

1070
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Speaker 13: before the end of the calendar year. And it's a

1071
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 13: demonstration of how backwards we've gotten that I'm excited that

1072
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Speaker 13: we're three months late.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense to me. Now, is the funding a

1074
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 1: second step? And in other words, does an appropriation bill

1075
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Speaker 1: now have to follow to make the NDAA a reality.

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Speaker 13: It does, But I believe we now know the number, right,

1077
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Speaker 13: we know the number is probably an eight billion dollar

1078
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 13: increase in the base budget over the president's.

1079
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Speaker 6: Budget, you know budget that he's submit mission in the spring,

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Speaker 6: late spring. Yeah, his submission.

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Speaker 13: So now look this is important because this I was

1082
00:58:57,920 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 13: arguing hard for a big base increase.

1083
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 6: The reason is I'm worried.

1084
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Speaker 13: You have the fiscal year twenty twenty five budget done

1085
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Speaker 13: by the Biden administration was basically two point nine percent

1086
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 13: of GDP on defense below three percent, the first time.

1087
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Speaker 6: In a while that was followed.

1088
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Speaker 13: This year is going to be if we just went

1089
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Speaker 13: with the president's base budget two point eight percent, but

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Speaker 13: reconciliation bumped you up to three point two percent. You

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Speaker 13: know the one hundred hundred and thirteen, one hundred and

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Speaker 13: fifty billion in reconciliation money that added to defense. When

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Speaker 13: I looked at twenty twenty seven, Hugh, that meant your

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Speaker 13: baseline that russ Vote and Jerry Hendricks and the others

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Speaker 13: that OAB were starting with would have been about two

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Speaker 13: point seven percent of GDP, right, because the reconciliation's gone.

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Speaker 13: Unless you believe there's going to be a big budgetary,

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Speaker 13: not just a reconciliation, a reconciliation with money for defense

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Speaker 13: thrown on top of it, very few of us think

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Speaker 13: that's going to happen. So getting that that thirty two

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Speaker 13: billion bump that Rocker Roger Wickers saw this knew it

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Speaker 13: was a problem, and he tried to increase the base

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Speaker 13: for twenty six so that the base for twenty seven

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Speaker 13: would start higher, and he got twenty five. He got

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Speaker 13: an eight billion dollar increase instead of a thirty two

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Speaker 13: billion dollar increase.

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Speaker 1: So we're behind. We're not at three percent. In other words,

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Speaker 1: going forward with most bad news. Okay, So noted, tell

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Speaker 1: me something about the likelihood of our being able to

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Speaker 1: acquire and deploy the iron beam rapidly, because to me,

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Speaker 1: that's such a game changer. We ought to have a

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Speaker 1: prime Minister. Net I was down at mar A Lago

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Speaker 1: in December for a few days. I hope they're just

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Speaker 1: talking about iron Beam, which can become Golden Beam in

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Speaker 1: President Trump's world, but we want.

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Speaker 13: It so right now the US Army, US Navy, and

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Speaker 13: Israeli forces are all building very short range.

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Speaker 6: Directed energy weapons.

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Speaker 13: I think iron Beam was probably because we put a

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Speaker 13: lot of money into it in the Israeli supplemental eighteen

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Speaker 13: months ago or sixteen months ago. That twelve million dollars

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Speaker 13: supplemental had quite a big chunk for Ironbam in it.

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Speaker 13: I think the iron Beam might be in the lead

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Speaker 13: of the three, but none of them are like this

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Speaker 13: directed energy weapon that's going to be a big part

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Speaker 13: of Golden Dome. It's going to be is a great

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Speaker 13: part of a drone defense, you know, local based drone defenses.

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Speaker 13: And so if it turns out that iron Beam finishes,

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Speaker 13: you know, several years ahead of the army variant that's

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Speaker 13: being tested on strikers right now in the Middle East,

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Speaker 13: being used in combat, then we should we should buy

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Speaker 13: the iron Beam as well as the existing army system,

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Speaker 13: and if the pricing becomes a big difference, we should

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Speaker 13: buy the cheapest one of them, the naval based one.

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Speaker 13: Again as the Israeli has put it on their frigates

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Speaker 13: if or their corvettes. If it gets ahead of the

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Speaker 13: one the US Navy has two test platforms of right now,

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Speaker 13: then we should you know, look at that, I will say,

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Speaker 13: we're really talking about a point defense system right now.

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Speaker 13: We have not solved the how do you generate enough

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Speaker 13: energy to cut through the atmosphere and the atmosphere and

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Speaker 13: this isn't about climate change anything, but the atmosphere in

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Speaker 13: the several thousand feet closer to us is pretty nasty

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Speaker 13: stuff for cutting a laser being through.

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Speaker 1: What I'm most concerned about in my layman civilian world

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Speaker 1: is can we surround our deterrence with this? In other words,

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Speaker 1: can we put them around the missiles? Can we get

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Speaker 1: our shipyards where the Ohio class are being repaired and made,

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Speaker 1: and where the carriers are. Can we surround them with

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Speaker 1: something that will protect them? Does this system do that

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Speaker 1: if it's deployed there?

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Speaker 13: So what's going to attack our bases in the United

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Speaker 13: States is probably not small drones, right because now look

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Speaker 13: that can happen, you still have to have it. Operation

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Speaker 13: Spider Web by the Ukrainians show that you need to

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Speaker 13: have YEP, localized based defense against small things. Counter drone

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Speaker 13: capabilities developing in Ukraine, in Israel, and in the United

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Speaker 13: States at breakneck speeds, and I think some of the

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Speaker 13: stuff I've seen in Ukraine is just eyewatering. And what

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Speaker 13: I love about the Ukrainians is that a guy showed

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Speaker 13: me a weapon system, the first one off the line,

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Speaker 13: first one, and he goes, Zamani, I'm going to test

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Speaker 13: this tonight, And I was like, great, where he wears

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Speaker 13: the range.

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Speaker 6: He goes to range.

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Speaker 13: No, and I'm going for the then forty kilometers seas

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Speaker 13: to give and I'm going to wait for a SHIHI

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Speaker 13: was going to Jaran, which is a shahedron, to fly

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Speaker 13: over me.

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Speaker 6: And he did it, and he shot it down one

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Speaker 6: for one.

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Speaker 13: You know, he's skipped eighteen months of US government testing

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Speaker 13: in about in about eighteen hours.

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Speaker 1: Now more time. We'll do that to production facility. Let

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Speaker 1: me ask you about And that's bringing my last question.

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Speaker 1: I'll go ahead, go ahead, you want to finish because

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Speaker 1: we've got time.

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Speaker 13: Well, look, one thing I want to say is you

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Speaker 13: know that Ronald Reagan had the right answer on the

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Speaker 13: on the Cruise and Ballistic Missile Defense United States.

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Speaker 6: It's going to be space based, you know, believe it

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Speaker 6: or not.

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Speaker 13: You a couple of the weapon sysys I'm looking look

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Speaker 13: a lot like brilliant pebbles.

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Speaker 2: I mean, oh, I'm not surprised much. I had the

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Speaker 2: great honor.

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Speaker 1: I had the great honor of interviewing Edward Teller when

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Speaker 1: he was alive and probably ninety three or ninety four,

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Speaker 1: and he pounded the table on the set that we

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Speaker 1: had to build brilliant pebbles, pounded the table. It was

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Speaker 1: quite the excitable guy at that age. Last question, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what to believe when I see it on

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Speaker 1: X But I saw a video of a submersible or

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Speaker 1: a surface drone take out allegedly part of the Russian

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Speaker 1: ghost fleet and blew up a tanker. And this thing

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Speaker 1: looked like a shark like. It looked like the Jaws

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Speaker 1: going after this tanker. Is that actually happening and if so,

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Speaker 1: what's that mean for everyone at sea?

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Speaker 13: So I've been in their maritime up centers when they've

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Speaker 13: done this. So look, I can't attest whether what you

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Speaker 13: saw was you know, was a deep fake, but they're

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Speaker 13: doing it. And so what I would tell you is

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Speaker 13: they've gone from jet skis, which is how they started

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Speaker 13: with like explosive strap to them, to you know, very

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Speaker 13: low forms unmanned surface vecils, to now unmanned undersea.

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Speaker 6: Vessels that pop up just to get targeting information and

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Speaker 6: then show in.

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Speaker 13: But it's those unmanned surface vescials, the newer ones of that,

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Speaker 13: that I think of the right thing.

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Speaker 6: We're starting to develop them.

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Speaker 13: But I have to tell you when I see the

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Speaker 13: Ukrainian one, which is pretty good, let's say it costs

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Speaker 13: a dollar, I then go to Taiwan they're building one

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Speaker 13: for about same thing, for about three dollars and.

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Speaker 6: When I go to the US system, they're building safety

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Speaker 6: for ten dollars. We got to drive ourselves down towards

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Speaker 6: the Taiwan cost.

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Speaker 13: Maybe the Ukraine cost on these, you know, so that

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Speaker 13: we can build them at scale, you know, and have

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Speaker 13: and have as many as we need.

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Speaker 6: And what's it mean for the navy?

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Speaker 13: It means for the navy, you know, we're probably that's

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Speaker 13: one more reason we're not inside the first island chain.

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Speaker 13: That's one more reason. You give yourself a little bit

1225
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Speaker 13: of depth and we'll be okay. You know, my son's

1226
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Speaker 13: under destroyer. I worry about a lot of things. I'm

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Speaker 13: confident in his ship. Captain will keep them outside that range.

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Speaker 13: And the Navy's developing the weapons to defeated, but we

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Speaker 13: do have to work on the counters to that. It

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Speaker 13: can't be your normal fixed guns because they don't point

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Speaker 13: down well. But we're working on that right now and

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Speaker 13: I think we'll be okay.

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Speaker 6: But this is the.

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Speaker 13: Evolution of warfare and we better be as adaptive and

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Speaker 13: aggressive as the Ukrainians have been.

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Speaker 1: It's mind boggling, and I'm glad that the foundation for

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Speaker 1: the defensive democracy is out there, making it accessible to

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Speaker 1: civilians like me who don't have the background. All we

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Speaker 1: see is X and so I'm glad you're available, Admiral,

1240
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Speaker 1: and thank you. Merry Christmas to you. I hope I

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Speaker 1: see it before the holidays. If not, enjoy one at

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Speaker 1: home for a change, I'm glad you're getting one. Don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere, America. I'll be right back on today's You

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Speaker 1: Hewt Show. Welcome back in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. I'm

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewittt. In the world of journalism, there's political journalism.

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Speaker 1: I do that, and then there's sports journalism, and I

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Speaker 1: don't do that. I'm JO just a fan. Doug lay

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Speaker 1: Marie does sports journalism, and in fact Bill and Doug

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Speaker 1: Show is the highest rated individual team substack show in America.

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Speaker 1: And you can look at it if you go to

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Speaker 1: Bill and OSU dot substack dot com and you'll never

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Speaker 1: turn back. The Bill and Doug Show is fabulous, but

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Speaker 1: usually heavy on the OSU. Today, though, Doug, I got

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Speaker 1: a question for you, because I've been pounded people who

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Speaker 1: knew you were coming. We're notre Dame and BYU screwed,

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Speaker 1: And you're the guy to ask that because you know

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Speaker 1: what you probably got incoming.

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Speaker 14: Were they screwed, so they were led on. We talked

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Speaker 14: about this on a show today. I said, Notre Dame

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Speaker 14: kind of got ghosted, right, and it's not. I think

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Speaker 14: in the end, I think it is the right decision.

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Speaker 14: But what the playoff committee did, it's a group of people,

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Speaker 14: Hugh and I was thinking about this. Imagine if the

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Speaker 14: NFL playoffs had a show where they play all year

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Speaker 14: and then they're like, we're gonna have a show to

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Speaker 14: decide who gets in. A committee's picking who gets in

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Speaker 14: the playoffs, that playoff show would do a gazillion rating, right,

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Speaker 14: That's what college football does. Notre Dame was in all

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Speaker 14: year and then for the last rankings they flipped Notre

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Speaker 14: Dame in Miami because Miami had beaten Notre Dame during

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Speaker 14: the regular season, but the whole time they still had

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Speaker 14: Notre Dame ahead of Miami. But then when it counted,

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Speaker 14: they flipped them. So Notre Dame is mad. Their adeas

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Speaker 14: come out. Notre Dame turned down a bowl game. Was

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Speaker 14: the decision in the end?

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Speaker 7: Wrong?

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Speaker 14: I say no, And I say this as a person

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Speaker 14: who picked Notre Dame to win the national title in

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Speaker 14: the preseason, and I think right now, Notre Dame is

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Speaker 14: one of the four best teams in the country right now.

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Speaker 14: They lost their first two games. Your resume matters. Your

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Speaker 14: resume matters you. You can't throw games away just because

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Speaker 14: they were a long time ago. So I think the

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Speaker 14: correct decision was made. But I understand why Notre Dame

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Speaker 14: is mad because the perception got thrown off.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 14: The process of the decision making wasn't great, But the

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Speaker 14: decision I think, in the end was correct.

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Speaker 1: So Doug explain to me, I really want to understand

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Speaker 1: that if you Notre Dame is one of the four

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Speaker 1: best teams in the country right now, how should a

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Speaker 1: system be constructed so that they don't get left out?

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Speaker 1: And how is it constructed that they were left out?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it'd be one of those And like we talked

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Speaker 14: about it all year at the NFL qu the Chiefs

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Speaker 14: lost again this week. They're six and seven. They're out

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Speaker 14: of the playoff mix right now. They're probably not going

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Speaker 14: to make the playoffs. If the Chiefs do make the playoffs,

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Speaker 14: they're probably would would be one of the four teams

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Speaker 14: that people would pick to win the Super Bowl. But

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Speaker 14: just because you have talent and just because you play well,

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Speaker 14: that's not what it's about. It's about what the scoreboard says.

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Speaker 14: Otherwise we're just doing a talent accumulation. So I think

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Speaker 14: you have to be judged by how good you are,

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Speaker 14: but the scoreboard your record is an indication of how

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Speaker 14: good you are.

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Speaker 7: And so Notre Dame.

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Speaker 14: They lost two games in their first two tries to

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Speaker 14: good teams.

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Speaker 7: Then they won ten straight.

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Speaker 14: None of those ten wins were against a team currently

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Speaker 14: racked to the top twenty five.

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Speaker 7: They don't have a great win. Think think they're good.

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Speaker 14: Their defense looks good, they have a great running back,

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Speaker 14: their young quarterbacks played well, but the.

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Speaker 7: Resume doesn't say it.

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Speaker 14: And I think you in sports, if we get too

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Speaker 14: far away from resume and what's been proven and too

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Speaker 14: far into well, I think this the talent tells me that.

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Speaker 14: I think that's a danger zone. So that's the part

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Speaker 14: of it that I wish Notre Dame was in. I'd

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Speaker 14: love to watch them play. In the end, I think

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Speaker 14: their resume is a tiny bit short.

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Speaker 1: Well, then, isn't every athletic director talking to every football

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Speaker 1: coach right now about lining up a MAC team for

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Speaker 1: the first three games before they go into their conference,

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Speaker 1: Because why would Texas want to play Ohio State? Vice versa?

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Speaker 1: Why should Notre Dame open the season in Miami? Didn't

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Speaker 1: TV just shoot itself in the foot?

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Speaker 14: Well, I think it would be harder in some of

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Speaker 14: the other things, right, Like people were wondering would Alabama

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Speaker 14: get left out after Alabama made the SEC championship game

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Speaker 14: and lost? If they had not gotten in after losing

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Speaker 14: the SEC championship game, say, what are we gonna do

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Speaker 14: with championship games?

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Speaker 7: Championship games? You're done because.

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Speaker 14: If you earn the right to go there and lose,

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Speaker 14: now they kick you out of the playoff. We're not

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Speaker 14: playing championship games anymore. Vanderbilt is ten and two. They

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Speaker 14: also didn't make the playoff. They have two good losses,

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Speaker 14: they don't have a great win. They didn't play anybody

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Speaker 14: in the non conference who was so good. So I

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Speaker 14: still think you do get credit. You do get credit

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Speaker 14: if you play a good team and lose, but you've

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Speaker 14: got to back it up with good wins. So I

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Speaker 14: hope the athletic directors realize that that the good wins

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Speaker 14: still are important and they still do help you. And

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Speaker 14: in the end, probably what would have helped Notre Dame.

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Speaker 14: It's not that they look could they wound up losing

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Speaker 14: the two playoff teams Texas AM and Miami. All right,

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Speaker 14: we lost to two of the top twelve teams. Why

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Speaker 14: didn't we get in? You know what, if you had

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Speaker 14: one more top twenty five win, you'd probably be in.

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Speaker 14: You could argue that Notre Dame's problem is they didn't

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Speaker 14: schedule hard enough. They're an independent, they're doing the whole

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Speaker 14: schedule on their own. They're picking their twelve opponents. You

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Speaker 14: schedule five ten years ahead, so you think this team's

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Speaker 14: going to be good, and then they're not that good, right,

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Speaker 14: So some of it's not your fault. I think in

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Speaker 14: the end, it's not necessarily about that they lost a

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Speaker 14: good team. That said they didn't play enough good teams.

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Speaker 14: So if they were two and two against good teams,

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Speaker 14: they're in. They're zero to two against good teams, they're out.

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Speaker 2: So should Notre Dame join a conference?

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's the great conversation.

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Speaker 14: Pepavaqua, their ad said today, like this just makes us

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Speaker 14: realize we're staying independent because you know, they'd rather fight

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Speaker 14: for themselves.

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Speaker 7: They're mad at the ACC.

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Speaker 14: They have an agreement with the ACC as a conference

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Speaker 14: that they play five ACC teams a year. They have

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Speaker 14: other associations with the ACC, but they're not in the

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Speaker 14: ACC in football all the way. Well, Miami's in the ACC.

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Speaker 14: So over the weekend before the committee made their announcement,

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Speaker 14: the ACC network, which is a different specific network, they

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01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 14: played the Notre Dame Miami game every hour.

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Speaker 13: Huh.

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Speaker 14: They kept playing the Notre Dame Miami game. Look, remember

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Speaker 14: Miami beat Notre Dame. The ACC came out against Notre

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Speaker 14: Dame for the team in their conference. Notre Dame is

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Speaker 14: now mad at the ACC. So it's one of those things.

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Speaker 14: When you're in a conference, you have a conference to

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Speaker 14: fight for you, but when you're not in a conference,

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01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 14: you only have to answer to yourself. So on some level,

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Speaker 14: some people would say, join a conference, this is your

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01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 14: own fault. On the other hand, Notre Dame's saying, you

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Speaker 14: know what, no one's going to look out for number

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Speaker 14: one other than us. This is proof we're never joining anybody.

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Speaker 1: All right, last quick question, Doug, we got thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: You're a Heisman voter. Is it tough for you? Is

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Speaker 1: it difficult? Do you have an easy choice? I know

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Speaker 1: what you said, but you weren't supposed to say it,

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01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:45,519
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to say it.

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Speaker 14: So if I if I told you right now, they're

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Speaker 14: announcing the Heisman finalists. Four Heisman finalists announced on the

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Speaker 14: ESPN between six thirty and seven o'clock tonight.

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Speaker 7: The ballots for due at five pm.

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01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 14: If I told you right now who I voted for

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01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 14: in the Heisman A poison dark with the shot by

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Speaker 14: someone from the Heisman Trust, I will tell you it

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01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 14: was not a difficult choice for me, at least for

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Speaker 14: number one.

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Speaker 2: All Right, dougo Ama Rays always got to talk to you.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you and we'll talk about Texas A

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Speaker 1: and m and Miami, the buck guys, eventual opponents.

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