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Speaker 1: Welcome to Christian Parent Crazy World, the podcast that tackles

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Speaker 1: tough topics to help you be a godly parent in

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Speaker 1: an ungodly world. I am your host, Catherine Seegers, and

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Speaker 1: in today's episode, we will tackle this a very pertinent question.

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Speaker 1: Do you ever feel like your prayers aren't getting answered,

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Speaker 1: like there's a bottleneck in your prayer life and you

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Speaker 1: don't know why that is. Do our prayers really change anything? Well,

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Speaker 1: most of us have felt that tension at some point

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Speaker 1: in our walk with God. We pray sincerely, faithfully, even desperately,

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Speaker 1: and yet nothing seems to move. And when that happens,

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Speaker 1: it can leave us wondering whether we're praying the right

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Speaker 1: way or even praying for the right things. I am

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Speaker 1: joined today by fellow life audio podcaster Jamie Hampton of

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Speaker 1: the Praying Christian Women podcast, and together we're going to

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Speaker 1: dive deep into one of the most powerful and transformative

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Speaker 1: books on prayer that either of us have ever read.

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Speaker 1: It really challenged and reshaped both of our prayer lives

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Speaker 1: in profound ways. That is the ground we will cover

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Speaker 1: in this episode of Christian Parent Crazy World. So let's

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Speaker 1: get started. So today we are going to wrestle with

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Speaker 1: some of the most important questions we can ask about prayer,

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Speaker 1: questions like how does prayer actually work, what role does

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Speaker 1: God's will play and answered prayer? And how do we

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Speaker 1: learn to align our prayers with what God desires, not

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Speaker 1: simply what we want. The book we are discussing today

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Speaker 1: is called let Us Pray by Watchman Knee, and though

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Speaker 1: it's nearly a half century old, it feels almost startlingly relevant.

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Speaker 1: Knee challenges believers to rethink what prayer actually is, not

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Speaker 1: simply bringing our wishes, our needs, our agendas before God,

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Speaker 1: but learning how to discern His will and pray in

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Speaker 1: alignment with what He already desires to do. He argues

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Speaker 1: that the highest form of prayer is not persuading God

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Speaker 1: to bless our plans, which really doesn't work, by the way,

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Speaker 1: although we've all tried to do that, haven't we. Rather,

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Speaker 1: the highest form of prayer is positioning ourselves to pray

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Speaker 1: His will into being. Thy will be done on earth

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Speaker 1: as it is in heaven. That idea alone has the

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Speaker 1: power to completely reshape how we approach prayer, and it

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Speaker 1: certainly did for me. I first read this book over

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Speaker 1: both my understanding and practice of prayer. I return to

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Speaker 1: it often because the truths in this book are timeless, humbling,

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Speaker 1: and clarifying. So for a frame of reference, Watchman Knie

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Speaker 1: didn't write this book from the comfort of theory. No,

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Speaker 1: he paid dearly for his faith in Christni was imprisoned

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Speaker 1: by the Chinese government, and he spent more than twenty

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Speaker 1: years in prison and ultimately died there, never recounting his faith,

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Speaker 1: never abandoning the truths he taught, truths that he learned

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Speaker 1: under persecution. Knowing his story adds tremendous weight to his

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Speaker 1: words on prayer, on surrender, and on obedience. So today

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Speaker 1: I am joined by my friend and fellow life audio podcaster,

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Speaker 1: Jamie Hampton, who has been co host of the Praying

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Speaker 1: Christian Women podcast for eight years now. Jamie is also

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Speaker 1: a Christian author, a hockey mom, a camper, and coffee enthusiast.

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Speaker 1: But more than that, she is a woman who deeply,

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Speaker 1: deeply loves prayer. This book absolutely blew her mind and

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Speaker 1: her heart as well as it did mine, and together

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Speaker 1: we're going to reflect on how its message continues to

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Speaker 1: challenge and transform us today. One final note, we are

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Speaker 1: going to be airing this interview on both Praying Christian

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Speaker 1: Women and Christian Parent Crazy World, so you're gonna hear

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Speaker 1: Jamie's voice first instead of mine. So that said, let's

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Speaker 2: Hi there, and welcome to the Praying Christian Women podcast.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Seegers, It's just so good to have you here

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Speaker 2: for this special kind of dual episode, and we're just

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Speaker 2: really excited to be able to have you on our show.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be here and welcome to you,

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Speaker 1: Jamie Hampton to Christian Parent Crazy World. We're very excited

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Speaker 1: to have you here. It's so good to get to

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Speaker 1: know you. Wy don't you tell we're going to tell

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Speaker 1: each other's listeners a little bit about ourselves, because our

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Speaker 1: listeners know a little bit about us, but your listeners

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Speaker 1: don't know about me, and my listeners don't know about you.

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Speaker 1: So why don't you start tell us a little bit

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Speaker 1: about Jamie Hampton and your family and your podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm Jamie Hampton. I am a wife and

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Speaker 2: mom of three kids. So we have a nineteen year

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Speaker 2: old or fourteen almost fifteen who's in ninth grade, and

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Speaker 2: then an eleven year old daughter. The others are boys

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Speaker 2: who's going into sixth grade. So we live in Utah.

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Speaker 2: We recently relocated from Alaska, so it was a big,

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Speaker 2: big change of location and culture shock and you know,

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Speaker 2: climate change and everything else. But we've been here for

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Speaker 2: about a year and it's been going really well. And

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Speaker 2: our podcast is the Praying Christian Women Podcast. My co

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Speaker 2: host is Alana Terry. Alana and I were longtime friends

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Speaker 2: and podcasts I'm sorry and prayer partners before and that's

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Speaker 2: kind of how Praying Christian Women was born out of

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Speaker 2: our own conversations about prayer, our questions, and our you know, basically,

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Speaker 2: it's just an extension of our talks discussions over coffee

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Speaker 2: that we would have as friends, and we just kind

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Speaker 1: I love that. I think that is awesome. And so

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Speaker 1: my name is Katherine Seekers. I am host of Christian

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Speaker 1: Parent Crazy World. I have five kids, ages twenty, seventeen, fifteen, ten,

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Speaker 1: soon to be eleven. He would tell you that very

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Speaker 1: very every day I'm getting a request for his birthday

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Speaker 1: gifts coming up. And we also have an eight year old,

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Speaker 1: and so my show started. We had a little bit

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Speaker 1: of a conversation about this because your new Life Audio

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Speaker 1: Audio family recently, which I have been a part of

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Speaker 1: for a time, right, So it's been what a couple months.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been several months.

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Speaker 2: It's probably been long, probably been six months because it

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Speaker 2: feels like about two. So that's how time goes. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: Welcome being grafted into the family. I told you before,

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Speaker 1: I was, I guess an original kid here because I

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Speaker 1: was created in house. Our show was created in Life Audio.

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Speaker 1: I was a writer over at Crosswalk I Believe, Bible,

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Speaker 1: City Tools and Christian Headlines, and they were looking for

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Speaker 1: our shows a lot. Of course, your show is all

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Speaker 1: about prayer, and my show deals with theological topics and

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Speaker 2: It was First of all, it was so basic in

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Speaker 2: the relationship between us and God. And I've always known

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Speaker 2: that we have a partnership, but the way that Watchman

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Speaker 2: Nay explains that partnership, which I feel like we should

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Speaker 3: Our actual prayers may not.

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Speaker 2: infuses our prayers and for me like just stokes the

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Speaker 2: if that makes sense, and I think it unlocks doors

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Watchman Nie was a Chinese church leader. He

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Speaker 1: devoted to the Lord. And he contemplated, I believe a

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Speaker 1: And I think we all see that in our lives sometimes,

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Speaker 1: and we all want that. That's all we want, right

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Speaker 1: We want God to remove the rocks, but sometimes keeps

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Speaker 1: the grace to us to live to rise above the rocks.

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Speaker 1: So that's a little bit about the man who wrote

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Speaker 1: this book. It's called Let Us Pray. It's like eighty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I couldn't stop often enough to write down or

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful book. So it's this allegory where much

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Speaker 1: Afraid is the main character. It's been goodness, it's probably

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Speaker 1: been over twenty twenty five years since I read this book,

436
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Speaker 1: but much Afraid is the main character is named much Afraid,

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Speaker 1: and she's going trying to get to high places, and

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Speaker 1: she's following the shepherd. She's following the shepherd up this

439
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Speaker 1: path and she loses side of the shepherd and she

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Speaker 1: kind of loses side of the path, and she's so afraid,

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Speaker 1: I've lost him, I've lost the right way. I don't

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Speaker 1: know which way I'm supposed to be going. And this

443
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Speaker 1: kind of parallels to what is your will?

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Speaker 3: God?

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Speaker 1: Which way am I supposed to be going? What am

446
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Speaker 1: I supposed to be praying? And then finally the shepherd

447
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Speaker 1: comes back and she's like, I couldn't see you. I

448
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Speaker 1: didn't I was so afraid i'd gotten off the path.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to definitely paraphrase this because, like I said,

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Speaker 1: it's been twenty five years, but this impacted me so

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Speaker 1: powerfully as a young adult a believer. He says to her.

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Speaker 1: The Shepherd looks at her, and he says, did you

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Speaker 1: really think I'd let you get off the path and

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Speaker 1: not let you know? His love was so overflowing, isn't

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Speaker 1: going to let her get so far off the path

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Speaker 1: as long as you know? Yeah, you can get off

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Speaker 1: the path if you're walking in rebellion and you're rebelling

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Speaker 1: against God in his ways, and you're not trying to

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Speaker 1: spend time with him, and you're trying to either divorce

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Speaker 1: yourself from his word or trying to make his word

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Speaker 1: into something that it's not, trying to twist it and

462
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Speaker 1: turn it into a pretzel to affirm what you want

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Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, you can get off the path there.

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Speaker 1: But if you're genuinely seeking the Lord, and you're genuinely

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Speaker 1: seeking his will, he will reveal it to you. You know,

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Speaker 1: maybe not in a neon flashing sign, or maybe not

467
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Speaker 1: as much of it as we want to know. Maybe

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Speaker 1: it might just be the next step down the road

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Speaker 1: that you need to take, but he will reveal it.

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Speaker 1: It is his will for you to know his will.

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Speaker 1: So I think we can rest in that fact that

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Speaker 1: if we're seeking him, he will reveal it to us.

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Speaker 1: And when we understand what his will is, we can

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Speaker 1: pray that fourth and confidence. And as we were talking before,

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Speaker 1: you know, I've got friends here sick. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: pray for their healing. I'm just I'm not going to

477
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Speaker 1: pray for God to tell you I'm praying for them

478
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Speaker 1: to be healed because Bias Stripes, we're healed now. I

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Speaker 1: you know, it's always discouraging when you pray for someone

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Speaker 1: to be healed and they're not. You know, and we

481
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Speaker 1: just talked about you know, Watchman Need what did he say?

482
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Speaker 1: He was healed from tuberculosis and the one instance, but

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Speaker 1: not from angina pectoris. And so the other thing we

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Speaker 1: can always pray according to as will is God give

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Speaker 1: this person the grace for this part of the journey

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Speaker 1: that they're on. I have someone very very very dear

487
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Speaker 1: friend of mine who right now the only diagnosis left

488
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Speaker 1: is als and four months ago, this person was walking

489
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Speaker 1: and now they're in a wheelchair. That's the only diagnosis

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Speaker 1: they have left. Am I accepting that no, God's name

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Speaker 1: is bigger. It's bigger than la als. So I am

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Speaker 1: praying for a complete healing. And some of the principles

493
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Speaker 1: in this book he talks about, you know, transactional prayers,

494
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Speaker 1: looking at your prayers almost as illegal in a legal way,

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Speaker 1: because the enemy is going to attack us. We know this.

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Speaker 1: That's what he does. He has come to steal, to kill,

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Speaker 1: and destroy. That's what he does. That's his mo and

498
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Speaker 1: he will do that if left unchallenged, our prayers are

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Speaker 1: many times the things that prevent his work from prevailing.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that. I believe that that's what the

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Speaker 1: scriptures show. That we have a part to play, which

502
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Speaker 1: is another big principle in the book. I would love

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Speaker 1: to dig into this idea of co laboring with God.

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Speaker 1: You know a lot of people say, well, do my

505
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: prayers really matter? Do they really accomplish anything? If God

506
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Speaker 1: is all powerful, and he is, and he's all knowing,

507
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Speaker 1: he's omniscient, he's omnipresent, he's omnipotent, then what does he

508
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Speaker 1: need me for? Why does he need me to pray.

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Speaker 1: That's one of the big obstacles to pray because we

510
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Speaker 1: don't really have a motivation to do it. If he's

511
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Speaker 1: going to do what he wants to do anyways, then

512
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Speaker 1: why should I even participate? Why does it matter? And

513
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Speaker 1: here's the way I look at it. This is also

514
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Speaker 1: leaning back into some differences between your more Calvinist perspective

515
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Speaker 1: of sovereignty versus your Armenian perspective of sovereignty. And I

516
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Speaker 1: would be on the Arminian side. But I think that

517
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Speaker 1: is shown throughout scripture that yes, sovereignly, God is going

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Speaker 1: to do what God is going to do. For example,

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Speaker 1: he gave the Israelites the Promised Land. He said, this

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Speaker 1: is a land that I have given to you. Right.

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Speaker 1: But what happened with the Israelites that came out of Egypt.

522
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Speaker 1: They failed to believe, They failed to stand in faith

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Speaker 1: with Joshua and Caleb's reports about what was in the

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Speaker 1: Promised Land. They came back saying, it's flowing with milk

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Speaker 1: and honey. The grapes are so massive we can't even

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Speaker 1: carry them. All. The other ten Spies came back said, no,

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Speaker 1: there's giants where like grasshoppers in their sight, and they

528
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Speaker 1: sided with that. So God was going to give this nation,

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Speaker 1: the nation of Israel, to promise land. But those individuals

530
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Speaker 1: didn't get to go in because they didn't believe. For

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Speaker 1: forty years, they had to wander around and die off

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Speaker 1: in the desert. So sovereignly God was going to do

533
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Speaker 1: what God was going to do, But we get to

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Speaker 1: choose whether or not we are going to participate in it.

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Speaker 1: And is his will going to be accomplished in my

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Speaker 1: life and in your life? And that's somewhere we would

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Speaker 1: potentially argue theologically. Okay, is God's will always accomplished? Well?

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Speaker 1: Second Peter three nine says that it's not his will

539
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Speaker 1: that any should perish, but all should come to repentance.

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Speaker 1: Do some perish? Well, we know that some do perish.

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Speaker 1: So I can choose not to cooperate with God. But

542
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Speaker 1: if I choose to cooperate with God, and he's looking

543
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Speaker 1: for people to partner with him in prayer, then it

544
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Speaker 1: is true that some things may go undone not his

545
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Speaker 1: overarching sovereign will for all of humanity. But I believe

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Speaker 1: his will for my life. I did not have to

547
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Speaker 1: say yes to having Segars number four and Secres by

548
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Speaker 1: the way, that turned into a Segars number five too,

549
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Speaker 1: because he revealed to us he had one more child

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Speaker 1: after Secers number four.

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Speaker 3: He didn't stop there.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, he only told me the one at first,

553
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Speaker 1: Thank goodness. But I could have said no, and I

554
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Speaker 1: still would be a believer. I'm still going to heaven.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that the rest of my life is

556
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Speaker 1: forfeit because I disobey God or I didn't get on

557
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Speaker 1: board with his plan and his will for my life.

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Speaker 1: But I would not have two of my kids in

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Speaker 1: my life. He didn't supersede my will. I didn't accidentally

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Speaker 1: get pregnant. I cooperated with God, and so did my husband.

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Speaker 1: He had a big part to play, but we cooperated

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Speaker 1: with God in order to see his will come about

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Speaker 1: in our family.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: It's not his will that kids wander away from the faith,

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Speaker 1: that people are addicted to drugs and pornography. This is

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Speaker 1: not his will, and yet it happens all the time

568
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Speaker 1: because we do have a free will, so we can

569
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Speaker 1: cooperate with God or not. And prayer is one of

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Speaker 1: the primary ways we're leaving the physical realm and going

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Speaker 1: to the spiritual realm when we pray and we're helping

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Speaker 1: to enact his will here on earth as it is

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Speaker 1: in heaven. It says that in Lord's prayer right, it says,

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Speaker 1: Thy Kingdom Come, Thy will be done on earth as

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Speaker 1: it is in heaven. So he has a will in heaven.

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Speaker 1: What we do is we get close to him, we

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Speaker 1: ascertain what that is, and when we understand what it is,

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Speaker 1: we speak it forth. And let me tell you this

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Speaker 1: may I don't know if it'll depending on where you are.

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Speaker 1: Theologically may ruffle some feathers. But when I understood that

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Speaker 1: it was God's will for us to have a fourth child,

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Speaker 1: and he called this child to be a son, I

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Speaker 1: began to pray very authoritative prayers, like on my knees,

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Speaker 1: I would be like, in the name of Jesus man

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Speaker 1: in my body to come in alignment with the will

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Speaker 1: of my heavenly Father and produce a son. And then

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Speaker 1: we actually had a lot of scriptures we got together,

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Speaker 1: especially for a fifth child. That was another big journey

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Speaker 1: because we we had a miscarriage in between. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: really praying emphatically, but we came to a place where

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Speaker 1: I had a miscarriage at fifty four. I'm sorry, forty

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Speaker 1: four was forty four years old. And then God, I

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Speaker 1: got really mobilized at this point. I'm like, Okay, God,

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Speaker 1: I believe you promised us this fifth child, and so

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Speaker 1: we assembled. That's one of the things I would recommend

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Speaker 1: people to do when you've got something you're really praying for.

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Speaker 1: Get your weapon is the word of God. Get the

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Speaker 1: word of God and pray the word of God over

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Speaker 1: that situation. Pray the word of God over that lost child.

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Speaker 1: Pray the word of God over that ailment. Pray the

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Speaker 1: word of God over your womb if you're looking to

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Speaker 1: I've actually got a list of scriptures that we used

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Speaker 1: to pray, and we conceived that child. Had that child

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Speaker 1: at the age of forty five. I had doctors coming

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Speaker 1: into my room. It was it was a bit of

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Speaker 1: a bumpy ride. It was interesting, but I had doctors

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Speaker 1: coming into my room saying like, did you do fertility

608
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Speaker 1: treatments and stuff? And I'm like, nope. I prayed the

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Speaker 1: Word of God because I knew that this was His

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Speaker 1: will for our family, and so I prayed very authoritatively

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Speaker 1: with that. But I to I will tell you Seegars

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Speaker 1: four and five Weston and Evangeline Seegers would not be

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Speaker 1: here if I had not cooperated with God and also

614
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Speaker 1: in prayer prayed these things forth. I believe, and that's

615
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Speaker 1: that's what we do in our prayer walk with God

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Speaker 1: when we come to understand what his will is.

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Speaker 2: Wow, what a great example. And I have an Evangeline.

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Speaker 2: My youngest is an Evangeline.

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Speaker 1: So I love that name. It means good news. It's

620
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Speaker 1: such a what's what's her middle.

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Speaker 3: Name, d Ann.

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Speaker 2: It's family names. Yeah, between my mom and my mother

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Speaker 2: in law. Yeah, kind of a combination.

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Speaker 1: That's a beautiful name. We have an Evangeline Faith, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: I named her Faith because it took so much faith.

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Speaker 1: It took a lot of faith to believe that. You know,

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Speaker 1: I can tell you my body was not going the

628
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Speaker 1: direction of conceiving again. It felt like it was kind

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Speaker 1: of shutting down. And I'm like, no, you promised this, Lord,

630
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Speaker 1: I really, I really believed he had promised that. So

631
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Speaker 1: I stood in faith. But the groundwork for that was

632
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Speaker 1: laid and it was we had it. Your listeners don't

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Speaker 1: know this, mine do, but it's so in line with

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about. So in it was twenty fifteen

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day. We had a miscarriage on Thanksgiving Day. The

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Speaker 1: child that we miscarried, it was very early on, but

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Speaker 1: we named her Hope. And I just kind of got this,

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Speaker 1: oh no, you didn't kind of attitude with the enemy.

639
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Speaker 1: I'm like, you just stole this from me. I know

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Speaker 1: that the Lord had promised us this child, and up

641
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Speaker 1: until this point, I kind of honestly I given God

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Speaker 1: an ultimatum. I said, I don't want to be forty

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Speaker 1: five and pregnant, so if we're gonna have this fifth child,

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Speaker 1: let's let's do it fat. And so that window came

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Speaker 1: and went, and I'm like, oh, I must have missed

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00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 1: hurt God. I was wrong. I wasn't wrong. Don't give

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving Day, and then I just mobilized something in me.

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Speaker 1: I felt the Lord speak so clearly to me. He said, yes,

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Speaker 1: I have promised you this child, but she won't be

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Speaker 1: like the others. You'll have to fight for I said, okay,

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Speaker 1: how do I fight? And he said, get your weapons together?

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Speaker 1: And I got I don't know it was like five

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Speaker 1: six seven pages of scripture together, just about how you

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Speaker 1: would not drop your fruit before it's time, or the

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Speaker 1: fruit wouldn't wither before it's time, and none shall me

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Speaker 1: carry or be barren in your land. That's out of

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Speaker 1: the Book of Exodus, and just a bunch of scriptures.

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Speaker 1: I got together and we started praying them over my body,

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Speaker 1: like every single day. And let me tell you, we

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Speaker 1: were serious about this, because you know, I'm pretty old

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Speaker 1: at this point, and we prayed like twenty to thirty

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Speaker 1: the Word of God over my body. We did this

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Speaker 1: for like six months. And at this point, I'm you know,

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Speaker 1: going to be forty five. I'm pregnant now. I'm going

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Speaker 1: is going to happen. I wasn't. I was discouraged. I

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Speaker 1: got frustrated, and so I went to the Lord and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Lord, what do I do now? And I

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Speaker 1: felt like you said, double down, go twice as hard,

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Speaker 1: twice as long. I'm like, okay, all right, And we

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Speaker 1: I believe you promised this. We started, you know, I

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Speaker 1: prayed it, prayed it, prayed it. I kid you not.

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Speaker 1: The week that Hope was due, I was pretty discouraged.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, here we are, she was due this week.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe, you know, and I'll yeah, am I

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Speaker 1: I thought I was crazy. I thought I was just like,

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Speaker 1: did I invent this whole thing? Did I really just

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Speaker 1: think you were speaking this to my spirit? And I've

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Speaker 1: been having a communication with I don't know, know some

689
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Speaker 1: bad Chinese food last night. That's what the dreams were about.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, what, what what have I been doing all this?

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Speaker 1: That's the enemy in your ear?

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Speaker 3: That's exactly what that is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, we can all relate totally totally.

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Speaker 1: And he will steal your dreams. He will steal God's

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Speaker 1: calling and purpose and try to convince you this isn't

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Speaker 1: God's will. And you know, I've known people that thought

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Speaker 1: that the will of God was something other than what

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Speaker 1: one hundred percent track record. I don't, but you know,

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Speaker 1: I was really deep in it at this point. I

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Speaker 1: may be praying, you know, an hour a day, like

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Speaker 1: for months. We were committed. We were eight months into

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Speaker 1: this thing, and so Hope was due this week. She

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Speaker 1: just invent this whole thing? Is this crazy? And the

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Speaker 1: morning she was due Hope was due, I felt the

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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit prick me and say, take a pregnancy test.

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Speaker 1: Hey friends, it's Katherine here. If you're trying to raise

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726
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Speaker 1: don't have to do it alone. And the morning she

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Speaker 1: was due, Hope was due, I felt the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 1: prick me and say take a pregnancy test, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, that's just man. Oh

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Speaker 1: but I did, and lo and behold, I kid you not.

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Speaker 1: The day Hope was due, we found out we were

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Speaker 1: expecting Evangeline faith and only God can write that kind

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Speaker 1: of story. Yes, but the principles that I learned in

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Speaker 1: this book let us pray and some other books. Another book,

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Speaker 1: An Intercessory Prayer by Dutch, sheets some of the principles

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Speaker 1: and that where I when I was convinced that it

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Speaker 1: was the will of God. I prayed it forth, I

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Speaker 1: spoke it authoritatively, and like I got angry at the

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Speaker 1: enemy for trespassing, for stealing something from me that was

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Speaker 1: not God's will. But God's will was that we had

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Speaker 1: another child, and I could not make this be a

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Speaker 1: girl and my fourth child be a boy like my dreams.

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Speaker 1: Only God could do that. And let me just add

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Speaker 1: this in here in case your listeners are wondering why

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Speaker 1: did it take so much prayer? Well, I actually at

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Speaker 1: twenty six weeks started having an abruption and spent the

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Speaker 1: entire last month in the hospital. And it was pretty rocky.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty difficult. But let me tell you, like

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Speaker 1: just like Watchman Knee at the beginning we talked about

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Speaker 1: God raising the level of the water, I still had

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Speaker 1: the abruption. Those are some pretty big rocks. The connection

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Speaker 1: between me and this child was tenuous and dangerous. That

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Speaker 1: can kill a mother as well as a child, and

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Speaker 1: it can happen very quickly, which is why I ended

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Speaker 1: up spending the entire last month in the hospital. And

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Speaker 1: let me just say, the last day in the hospital

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Speaker 1: an episode of CSI in my hospital room. It was

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Speaker 1: a bloody mess. But every day when they would test,

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Speaker 1: they would monitor me. They told me her her heart beat,

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Speaker 1: her in her movement was perfect. Perfect. And my doctor

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Speaker 1: was on call. There were like twenty three doctors in

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Speaker 1: the in her practice. She was on call that weekend,

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Speaker 1: my doctor who had delivered my four other kids, and

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Speaker 1: she said, we got to get her out. They took

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Speaker 1: me in, did an emergency C section. They bring this

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Speaker 1: kid to me. She's perfect. She's perfect, there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with her. And I know that that's why all that

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Speaker 1: prayer was necessary. Yes, she wouldn't I don't think she

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Speaker 1: would have made it. I don't know that I would

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Speaker 1: have made it. But God led us to pray like

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Speaker 1: that because it was something miraculous was happening. She's a miracle.

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Speaker 1: Every child is a miracle, but this one in particular

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Speaker 1: was a journey. But not only that, it was a

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Speaker 1: journey of learning how to emphatically pray for the will

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Speaker 1: of God when he has revealed it to you, and

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Speaker 1: then you know, standing in prayer and saying transactionally. He

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Speaker 1: talks about this in the book, that it's a legal transaction.

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Speaker 1: The enemy doesn't have a right to steal things from you.

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Speaker 1: But he will if you let him, he will do it.

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Speaker 1: He'll steal your kid's faith. You know, I've told you

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Speaker 1: before the show, and my listeners know we've gone through.

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Speaker 1: My oldest has had a prodigal journey well, and she's

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Speaker 1: come back to believing in God. But I want to see,

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Speaker 1: you know, a fervency and a pursuit of the Lord,

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Speaker 1: which I don't see. And you know what, at this point,

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Speaker 1: she's an adult, she lives in my home, she's an adult.

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Speaker 1: But where are we battling this? You know what I did?

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Speaker 1: I learned how to do it with Evangeline, with that baby,

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Speaker 1: all the scriptures I got together. You know what I did.

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Speaker 1: I created a scripture list to pray over my daughter

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Speaker 1: every day and over her faith. And I pray it

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Speaker 1: every day without fail. My husband and I pray. It's

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Speaker 1: five pages of scripture. That's a free resource. By the way,

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Speaker 1: on my website too. If anybody is looking for scriptures

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Speaker 1: to pray over lost children, what.

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Speaker 3: Is your website so they can go there if they want.

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Speaker 1: It's Katherine Seegers dot com with A C C A

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Speaker 1: T H E R I N E S E G

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Speaker 1: A R s a link to that in our Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just link in the show notes and I'll link yours

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Speaker 1: as well. But the point I'm saying is he taught

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Speaker 1: me through that experience what it means to pray and

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Speaker 1: to intercede for something. So are these prayers fully realizing?

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of There are a lot of

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Speaker 1: kids I'm praying for. I've got a bookmark in my

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Speaker 1: Bible that's got the list of a lot of names

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Speaker 1: kids who are on prodigal journeys. Have I seen it

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Speaker 1: yet fully realized?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 1: But this is this is what we have in our faith,

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Speaker 1: is that we were not left without a strategy. We

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Speaker 1: have a strategy with the Lord, and we can partner

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Speaker 1: with him and do things. This is one of the

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Speaker 1: great principles of the book. Do things go undone when

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Speaker 1: we don't pray, Yes, they do. I don't have to

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Speaker 1: be a part of the promised land. I don't have

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Speaker 1: to receive the promise. I can choose to stay out

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Speaker 1: in the desert. But by God, I am going to

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Speaker 1: be one of those leavers who persists in prayer. I'm

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Speaker 1: not going to miss it because I didn't pray for it.

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Speaker 1: Now maybe I'll miss it because I prayed for the

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Speaker 1: wrong thing and I didn't properly ascertain the will of

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Speaker 1: God because I can't change his mind. That's another big

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Speaker 1: principle in the book. I'm not trying to change God

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Speaker 1: to mind. What I'm trying to do is get through

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Speaker 1: the opposition. And we have a really big example of

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Speaker 1: that in Daniel chapter ten, when Daniel prayed and fasted

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Speaker 1: for three weeks and the Angel was coming with the

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Speaker 1: answer to his prayers, but he was he was upheld

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Speaker 1: in the spiritual realm. He had to fight that off,

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Speaker 1: and then he finally got what what if Daniel got

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Speaker 1: tired after two weeks? What if we had gotten tired

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Speaker 1: after six months and I didn't go on, I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't think my child would be here. But we

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Speaker 1: have to persist in prayer and believe that we're co

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Speaker 1: laboring with God, and it matters. Our prayers deeply matter.

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Speaker 1: Because if I don't think they matter, then I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to do it. It's just a waste of time.

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Speaker 1: It's just theatrics, it's just jumping.

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Speaker 2: Through hoops, and again that is the enemy coming up

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Speaker 2: against us with that belief that oh, it's okay, God's

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Speaker 2: going to do what he wants.

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Speaker 3: To anyway, just let it go.

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Speaker 2: What you said brought up two things that I think

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Speaker 2: are so important that he said. Thing one is this

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Speaker 2: analogy that he gives of where God's will is and

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Speaker 2: what our role is. We and our prayers are like

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Speaker 2: the rails of a train. Yes, and God's plans and

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Speaker 2: God's kingdom come. His will be done is the train.

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Speaker 2: And the train could go where the tracks have not

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Speaker 2: been laid, but it will sink into the earth and

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Speaker 2: go nowhere.

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Speaker 3: But where we are.

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Speaker 2: He talks about, like, let's pray to lay these tracks

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Speaker 2: like a network across the whole earth where there is

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Speaker 2: no old place where his desired will doesn't get to

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00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: go on earth. And I mean, the question is why

860
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 2: does God, being omnipotent and omniscient and omnipresent, why does

861
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 2: he need us? And he doesn't, but he wants us

862
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: to partner. He gives us the privilege because he loves us.

863
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 2: And for there's still a mystery, I mean, there's still

864
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 2: things we don't understand about why. But for some reason

865
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 2: he loves us that much and he wants us to

866
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: come into partnership. And so when I think of the blessings,

867
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 2: the things that he wants to do, the kingdom, purposes

868
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: that he desires that are already conceived in Heaven that

869
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: he wants to bring down to earth, this whole idea

870
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 2: of our prayers being trained tracks just made me go

871
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 2: to God immediately. I pushed pause and I was like, God,

872
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 2: help me to hear.

873
00:47:58,040 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 3: What do you want?

874
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: What do you want me to pray? And that's where

875
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 2: this prayer without ceasing comes in. And he the other

876
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: part of that is if we are not constantly praying,

877
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: we are the We are the bottleneck. Yes, And so

878
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 2: it just makes me want to just go through my

879
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 2: day like hearing from him. Where in this sphere of influence,

880
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: Where at this supermarket do.

881
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 3: You want me to be praying?

882
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,320
Speaker 2: Or even if you're one place and you know, where

883
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: in government, in world, world interaction and the unfolding of history,

884
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: Where in my personal relationships?

885
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 3: Where in whatever? What is it that you want?

886
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: And it just I think it's a sign of a

887
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 2: great book that glorifies God that it It just made

888
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: me want to immediately take action and not be the bottleneck.

889
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 2: I want to pray without ceasing, so as many of

890
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: those train tracks that reflect his will can be laid

891
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 2: according to his will.

892
00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 3: And that's just exciting.

893
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Speaker 1: That is so exciting. I want to read a couple

894
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Speaker 1: of quotes, and I love that you brought up the

895
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Speaker 1: train tracks, man, because we can be that bottleneck. And

896
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Speaker 1: you know what, he can use somebody else's train tracks, sure,

897
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:14,280
Speaker 1: but don't.

898
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 3: Go on it.

899
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: I want him to use mine.

900
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Speaker 3: I guess you know.

901
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that person that ends up

902
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 1: left out in the desert for forty years and dies off.

903
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 1: I want the promised Land. I want the promises to

904
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: come into my life. I want the fulfillment of His

905
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: will in my life. And I don't have to participate.

906
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: I can still believe, I can still go to church,

907
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: I can still do all of these things. But just

908
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: say the enemy. The enemy isn't scared of a believer

909
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: just because they sit in a pew on Sundays. But

910
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: when a believer really gets a hold of the concepts

911
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: that he has in these books and starts to pray

912
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: that let me tell you the first episode I ever

913
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Speaker 1: did on prayer. This is hilarious, this is true. Though

914
00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: I did it actually a little series on prayer. Early on,

915
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: between the time I turned in the episode and the

916
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Speaker 1: time it came out, my computer crashed, like completely crashed.

917
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 1: I'd go spend thousands of dollars to get a new computer.

918
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, are you crazy? And I can tell you

919
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: more than any other topic that I've ever ever podcasted on,

920
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,959
Speaker 1: this is the one, and I think the enemy hates

921
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Speaker 1: the most. Yeah. I can talk about all the cultural

922
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: issues and those are important, or political issues, or even

923
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: some deep weighty theological issues. But if the enemy can

924
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: get us to not pray, if he can sideline, if

925
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: he can sideline believers on this issue of prayer. Because

926
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: God has given us authority, He has given he wants

927
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Speaker 1: to work through our prayers. Our prayers are the tracks.

928
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Speaker 1: Why is he chosen to work this way? I can't

929
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 1: really answer that. That is the mystery part. But what

930
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: we see time and time and time again throughout scripture

931
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Speaker 1: is that God is partnering with human beings in order

932
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Speaker 1: to accomplish his will here on earth. I'm going to

933
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Speaker 1: read a couple of Knees quotes here. On page four,

934
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Speaker 1: he says prayer does not alter that which God has

935
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Speaker 1: determined it never changes anything. It merely achieves what He

936
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: is already for ordained. Prayerlessness, though, does affect change, because

937
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: God will let many of his resolutions go suspended due

938
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Speaker 1: to the lack from his people of prayerful cooperation with him.

939
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Speaker 1: That's on page four. So our prayers don't change what

940
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 1: his will is. We're not trying to say God do

941
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: something that he didn't already want to do. Rather, we're

942
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: ascertaining what his will is, and we're praying that forth.

943
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 1: But if we don't do that, will his will not

944
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Speaker 1: come to pass in this particular situation or in this

945
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: particular life. Very possibly that could be the case. And

946
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Speaker 1: you know, I remember a story once that a minister

947
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: told of another minister who God He was actually a businessman,

948
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: and God called him to start a two church, and

949
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: he was going to start this church. He actually had

950
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:09,720
Speaker 1: the plans drawn up, and he got discouraged. It got hard,

951
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: there was a lot of opposition, and so one one

952
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: day he was driving by and he saw a church

953
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: that looked exactly like the church that he was supposed

954
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Speaker 1: to build, right where he was supposed to build it.

955
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Speaker 1: And he went there week after week, weeping in the

956
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Speaker 1: front row and the pastor who was preaching, He was like,

957
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: why is this guy constantly here? He has a deep burden.

958
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: And he went and talked to him and he asked him, like,

959
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: what's going on? And he showed him the plans for

960
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 1: the building that they were in. He got discouraged. He

961
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: didn't pray through, he didn't keep seeking the Lord. Now

962
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: he's still a believer, he still loves God, but he

963
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: gave up like Daniel. You know, it would have been

964
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: like Daniel giving up on week two. He didn't persevere

965
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: all the way to receive the answer from God. So

966
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: if we don't have to participate in God's plan, I

967
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: didn't have to have Seegers four and five, and God

968
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: do through their lives what he wanted to do. God

969
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: can pick somebody else. And this think of esther. Mordecai

970
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: came to her and said, maybe you were born for

971
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: such a time as this, but if not, if you

972
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Speaker 1: choose not to do this, God will raise up a deliver.

973
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 1: He will deliver his people, but you will be lost.

974
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: So we have a choice as to whether we want

975
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: to participate with what God does. And on page twenty

976
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: five he says, how many things the Lord indeed desires

977
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: to do, yet does not perform them because his people

978
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: do not pray. He will wait until men and women

979
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: agree with him, and then he will work. This is

980
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: a great principle in God's working and it constitutes one

981
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 1: of the most important principles to be found in the Bible.

982
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 1: And I think when we understand that God's waiting on us,

983
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: that He's not just going to do yet. Ultimately his

984
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: will will be done because you know what he's going

985
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: to find. He's going to find the pastor who will

986
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: build the church. He's going to find him. He's going

987
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: to find the mother who will have the child to

988
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: fulfill that calling. He will find that person. Somebody will

989
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: say yes. But the question that is posed to you, Jamie,

990
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 1: and to me and to every audience member is when

991
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: he comes to you, will you say yes? Will you

992
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: partner with him? Will you believe? Will you seek his will?

993
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 1: Will you persevere in prayer against great opposition in order

994
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: to see His will fulfilled here in your life and

995
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 1: in your situation. That's the question we all have posed

996
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: to us.

997
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: And that will never happen if we treat prayer like google.

998
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 2: If we decide, oh, I'm going to throw out the

999
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: request and just you know, I want it right away

1000
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 2: or I'm not going to get it. And so that's

1001
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 2: why I think it's so important to like understanding some

1002
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: of these inner workings and some of the biblical principles

1003
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: behind prayer and stoking that passion for prayer is so important,

1004
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: so that we don't give up, so that we do

1005
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 2: press in, so that we do set aside white space

1006
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: and quiet time with the Lord to train our brains

1007
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: to interact with him and tune our ears to his voice.

1008
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: That is so true. This has been amazing.

1009
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Speaker 2: Has one thing. I know, we probably got to wrap up.

1010
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 2: We could talk about this. I mean, I've got like pages,

1011
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,680
Speaker 2: but I don't want to leave without something.

1012
00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 3: You said.

1013
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 2: He said something, and he said it over and over.

1014
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: In the first couple of times, I glossed over it,

1015
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 2: and then I was like, Lord, are you trying to

1016
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: tell me something?

1017
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:39,760
Speaker 3: He said over and over again.

1018
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 2: We are to be outraged by Satan, to detest him

1019
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 2: and his demons, to speak accusations against him. He's called

1020
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 2: the accuser, but we are to accuse him, resist him,

1021
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: rejecting what he throws our way. And I admit I

1022
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 2: do not often have outrage against Satan and his minions.

1023
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: I really don't. I have outrage about my circumstances. I

1024
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: definitely find myself getting outraged by others who come against

1025
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: God or against the knowledge of God, and it makes

1026
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: me frustrated. And that goes back to our battle is

1027
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 2: not against flesh and blood. Our battle is against our

1028
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: spiritual enemies, who are deceivers, who like you said, to steal, kill, destroy.

1029
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:34,520
Speaker 2: But you talked about how during your after your miscarriage,

1030
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: that you had this anger and this you know, just

1031
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: opposition against the enemy, and you were outraged that he'll

1032
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,640
Speaker 2: steel what God intended. And I think that is so

1033
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 2: important because if we don't, I think that's another way

1034
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:57,839
Speaker 2: we are lulled into not praying as effectively, because we

1035
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 2: pray things like I'm outraged about this person, God sick

1036
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 2: it to them, you know, or or we get derailed

1037
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: in our relationships or Heaven forbid, in the body of Christ.

1038
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 2: We have these fissures among believers and among denominations and

1039
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: among whatever philosophies, but that we direct our prayers in

1040
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: the wrong direction because we're not outraged at the enemy,

1041
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 2: and we're not fighting that battle against the principalities and

1042
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 2: the authorities in the spiritual realm that stand against God,

1043
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: and so that hit me like a ton of bricks.

1044
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: I need to make sure that my outrage is directed

1045
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 2: in the right direction so that I'm praying more effectively.

1046
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Speaker 1: I love that you brought that up. Thank you, Thank

1047
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: you for bringing that up, because that was a significant

1048
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: pivotal point of my journey, because I could have turned

1049
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: that outrage one of two directs, and a lot of

1050
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: people do we turn we you know, something horrible happened,

1051
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: the diagnosis came, the miscarriage happened, the accident happened, whatever,

1052
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 1: and we are supposed to get angry about that, but

1053
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: not at God. Are outraged often a lot of times.

1054
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: And by the way, I don't know why this was

1055
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: popped in my head. Maybe somebody needs to hear this,

1056
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:27,200
Speaker 1: you know. Charles Darwin had a daughter who died of

1057
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: very young, of some sort of I don't know if

1058
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: it was tuberculosis or a lung disease or something. She

1059
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 1: died very young, and he was She was the light

1060
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 1: of his life, the apple of his eye, and a

1061
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: lot of that fueled his passion to find answers for

1062
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: the origin of the species outside of God because of this,

1063
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: because he was raised in a Christian home and he

1064
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: believed that. And then, you know, so we can turn

1065
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: our anger against God, or we can turn it against

1066
00:58:57,400 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: the one who steals, kills and destroys. And I get it.

1067
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: I understand because we're like but He's all powerful. He

1068
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: could prevent this, he could stop this. He could have

1069
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: prevented the accident, he could have prevented the miscarriage. He

1070
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 1: could have prevented this diagnosis from coming or this thing

1071
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: from setting in someone's body. He is all powerful. But

1072
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,479
Speaker 1: we know and we have to wrestle through the fact

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Speaker 1: that we live in a world that has fallen. And

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Speaker 1: there are ramifications from that. But and going back to

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Speaker 1: the beautiful picture that we had at the beginning from

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Speaker 1: Watchman Nie. Sometimes God will remove the rocks, but he

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't remove the rocks, he will raise the

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Speaker 1: water level.

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Speaker 3: Amen.

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Speaker 1: He will do it every time. And I love the

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Speaker 1: outrage there though, we've got to point it in the

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Speaker 1: right direction. And I very much see my prayer life,

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Speaker 1: particularly in that season, but in every season, like walking

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Speaker 1: through this season with a prodigal a legal transaction before God,

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Speaker 1: I see myself in a heavenly courtroom, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: the enemy is stealing something that is not his. He

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Speaker 1: did not author this child. You authored this child through me. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: I am going to rebuke and bind all of these

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Speaker 1: things that are preventing this child from following you. And

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Speaker 1: I'm going to he goes into the binding and loosening

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Speaker 1: principles in the book from those are from Matthew sixteen nineteen.

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Speaker 1: And I, by the way, just listen to a long

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Speaker 1: series where a lot of people don't believe that we

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Speaker 1: have this authority. I want to acknowledge that there may

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Speaker 1: be some people out there in the listening audience and well,

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Speaker 1: that doesn't apply to us. I didn't see a statute

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Speaker 1: of limitations on it. I looked for it. I could

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Speaker 1: not find that. A lot of people say that was

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Speaker 1: just an authority they gave to the original disciples. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe. So what happened there. It's a fascinating chapter

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Speaker 1: in Matthew sixteen. Jesus is speaking to his disciples. He

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Speaker 1: takes the to Cesarea Philippi, to what's called the gates

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Speaker 1: of Hell, and a lot of people think he's just

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Speaker 1: referring to the Gates of Hell, like he just.

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Speaker 2: Learned this recently and it blew my mind. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: tell them.

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Speaker 1: So the Gates of Hell is, well, it's a physical

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Speaker 1: place where all of the you know, the false gods

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Speaker 1: were worshiped, the sacrifices, where it was the portal of

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Speaker 1: all demonic activity in that region of the world at

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Speaker 1: that time.

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Speaker 3: I had no idea.

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Speaker 1: Just imagine all of these demons coming and going right.

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Speaker 1: And he's just had this encounter with the Pharisees where

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Speaker 1: they were asking him for a sign, and he's telling him,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's this, you know, they want him to

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Speaker 1: perform like a dancing monkey or something, and he refuses

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Speaker 1: to do it. And so he goes with his disciples

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Speaker 1: in front of imagine just the most satanic place on

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Speaker 1: earth that you can think of. That's where he's standing.

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Speaker 1: He's standing in front of that place, and he looks

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Speaker 1: at him and he says, who do people say that

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Speaker 1: I am? And they're like, well, some say John the Baptist,

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Speaker 1: say the Spirit of Elijah, okay, And then he looks

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Speaker 1: at his disciples and he says, who do you say

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Speaker 1: that I am? And Peter Ah love Peter. He speaks

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Speaker 1: up and he says, you're the Christ, the son of

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Speaker 1: the Living God. And he said, blessed are you, Peter,

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Speaker 1: Because flesh and blood man did not reveal this to you.

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Speaker 1: The Spirit of God revealed this to you. And he said,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the keys of the Kingdom,

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Speaker 1: and upon this rock. What is the rock? It's the

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Speaker 1: revelation of who Jesus Christ really is. He's not John

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Speaker 1: the Baptist, he's not Elijah. He is the promised Messiah.

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Speaker 1: And he came to take back what the enemy stole

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Speaker 1: and the garden. And this is where I differ with

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Speaker 1: a lot of the criticism. They're like, well, we think

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Speaker 1: we have this binding and loosening principle given to us

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Speaker 1: just in Matthew sixteen. No, what happened was we gave

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Speaker 1: it away Adam and Eve at the fall, that gave

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Speaker 1: the keys and the authority on earth to the enemy.

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Speaker 1: And then Jesus came back to regain that authority. And

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Speaker 1: then he turns around and who does he give it to? Peter,

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Speaker 1: who represents the church. He says, I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: you the keys of the Kingdom, and whatever things you

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Speaker 1: bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven. That's

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Speaker 1: the more literal translation. We're not binding things he hasn't bound.

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Speaker 1: What we're doing is what we talked about earlier. We're

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Speaker 1: ascertaining what the will of God is. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: in front of the local convenience store and loosening a

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Speaker 1: lottery winning lottery ticket. It's not name it claimant theology.

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Speaker 1: I want to be very clear about this. It's ascertaining

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Speaker 1: what the will of God is, like we talked about

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Speaker 1: earlier in intimacy, and then what we do is we

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Speaker 1: bind the things that are preventing that from happening, and

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Speaker 1: then we lose the things that will allow it to

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Speaker 1: happen that are in accordance with the will of God.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, I don't see a statute of

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Speaker 1: limitations anywhere where we see that this authority that He

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Speaker 1: gave to the early Church through the disciples is somehow

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Speaker 1: not an authority that you and I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of Christians say that we don't, and I have listened

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Speaker 1: to them, and I respectfully disagree, because a lot of

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Speaker 1: them I do respect immensely. But I don't see the

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Speaker 1: statue of limitations. And I can say from the personal

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Speaker 1: testimony of my life. I don't believe. I don't look

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Speaker 1: at the circumstances of my life in order to explain theology.

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Speaker 1: But my understanding of scripture and theology has to be

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Speaker 1: able to explain my experience. And so in prayer, when

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Speaker 1: I commanded my body to come in alignment with the

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Speaker 1: will of God, I bound the things that were preventing it.

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Speaker 1: I lose the things that would cause that to happen,

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Speaker 1: And it happened. Now somebody else may have a different

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Speaker 1: explanation for it, but I lived it. I lived through

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Speaker 1: the dark knight of the soul, there through the loss,

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Speaker 1: I lived through the wrestling. I got angry at the

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Speaker 1: right source, which was the enemy of my life, soul

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Speaker 1: who stole something from me. I didn't get angry at

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Speaker 1: God over it. I got angry at the enemy. And

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Speaker 1: he justifies that anger because he's angry too. He's not

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Speaker 1: the author of death, He's not the author of theft.

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Speaker 1: God is the author of life, and he came to

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Speaker 1: give us life abundantly. So I believe those those principles

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Speaker 1: in Matthew sixteen nineteen, which he does go into the book,

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Speaker 1: I believe they still applied to us today. I've prayed it,

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Speaker 1: and I've seen the fruit of it in my life.

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Speaker 1: I see them every day. They're being very quiet upstairs

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Speaker 1: right now while I'm podcasting.

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Speaker 3: I'm so proud of them, and I'm so proud.

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Speaker 1: Of Speakers four and five. But they're in my house.

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Speaker 1: I look at them every day. You can't tell me

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Speaker 1: that this isn't a reality and that we can't pray

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Speaker 1: with authority because I could not have produced a boy

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Speaker 1: at age forty three or a girl at age forty

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Speaker 1: five of my own strength, you know, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: can't determine what they're going to be. God revealed his will.

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Speaker 1: I prayed authority. I bound the things that were obstacles.

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Speaker 1: I lose the things that were in alignment with his will,

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Speaker 1: and we saw it come to pass. And so that

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Speaker 1: transactional nature where I see myself in a heavenly courtroom,

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Speaker 1: I'm using that now to pray over my friend who's

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Speaker 1: been diagnosed essentially with als. And whether the Lord raises

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Speaker 1: the water level or he removes the rocks, I'm praying

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Speaker 1: that he removes the rocks. That's what I'm praying emphatically

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Speaker 1: that that happens. But we're submitting to him through this,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to continue to pray with authority according

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Speaker 1: to a lot of the principles that I've learned in

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Speaker 1: this book to see God's will be done in his

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Speaker 1: life and in the lives of my children and those

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Speaker 1: around me.

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Speaker 3: Amen. Amen, boy.

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Speaker 2: I would love to continue for you know, however long,

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Speaker 2: but I'm guessing we need to wrap up at least

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Speaker 2: this episode. Maybe we'll get to revisit this another time.

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Speaker 2: But this has been wonderful, wonderful, Catherine, thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for this, for bringing this book to my attention

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Speaker 2: and allowing our listeners to get to benefit.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you enjoyed it. I wondered, you know,

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Speaker 1: because there's some depending on where you're coming from theologically,

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Speaker 1: some people might not agree with all of the theology

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Speaker 1: in this book. I do agree with it, and I've

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Speaker 1: seen the fruit of.

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Speaker 3: It well, and it's okay. You know.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing we talked about before we hit record,

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Speaker 2: was there is there's enough space in God's kingdom for

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Speaker 2: us to major on the majors. And with a book

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Speaker 2: like this, someone could read it and test it against

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Speaker 2: what you know to be true, test it against your

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Speaker 2: understanding come at it with an open mind and ask

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Speaker 2: for God to really just reveal truth to you, because

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I think there's there's room for us

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Speaker 2: not to agree with one hundred percent of things, but

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Speaker 2: to take away some really very powerful truths.

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Speaker 1: I just want to add one final thing to encourage people.

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Speaker 1: I wish I remembered this woman's name. I'm seen her

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Speaker 1: at church before. We had a big healing service recently,

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Speaker 1: and our church practices the kind of things that we're

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Speaker 1: talking about in this book. Has We had a big

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Speaker 1: healing service and they did baptisms of healing in the

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Speaker 1: water and it was it was really powerful, really really powerful.

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Speaker 1: And this woman has Parkinson's disease and she has been

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Speaker 1: in a wheelchair for years, couldn't walk, one of her

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01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,480
Speaker 1: eyes is blind, and one of her legs was outturned,

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01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 1: and so they they prayed the kind of binding and

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Speaker 1: loosening prayers that we're talking about right now. And Parkinson's,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is a disease where something has been

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Speaker 1: defective at you're missing something in your brain, it's been

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Speaker 1: destroyed in your brain, and so it is truly a

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Speaker 1: miracle if someone is healed from that. It's a regenerative miracle.

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Speaker 1: I saw that woman this last Sunday walk into church.

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Speaker 1: She walked into church, her eyesight is coming back, her

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Speaker 1: leg is turning, and it's not it wasn't instantaneous. It's

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Speaker 1: like each day. She went shopping with her grandchildren the

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Speaker 1: other day and she hasn't been able to do that

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Speaker 1: in years.

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Speaker 2: And so she's literally walking out her healing. Yes, kind

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Speaker 2: of like the lepers walking to the priests as they

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Speaker 2: were healed along the way as they went.

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Speaker 1: And my friend also was in the water and the

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Speaker 1: als the one who is essentially that's where that diagnosis is.

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Speaker 1: And he got worse the next week. I can't answer why,

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Speaker 1: but you know what, I'm in the hot We were

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Speaker 1: at the hospital with him, and man, his faith is

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Speaker 1: so high and I can see God raising the water level.

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Speaker 1: So I don't have all the answers, and I'm still

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Speaker 1: praying for complete healing there, but you know God is going.

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Speaker 1: He never healed the same way twice. He did everything

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Speaker 1: according to his timeline, his way. I'm just going to

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Speaker 1: be the person that's believing in faith. I know that

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Speaker 1: God can do it. I'm praying that he will do it,

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Speaker 1: and I'm going to pray according to what I believe

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Speaker 1: his will is in the situation.

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Speaker 3: I love that. What a great word.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us to on Christian Parent Crazy World. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm joining your show, you're joining mine. This has been fun,

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Speaker 1: this has been amazing, and I've just I can't tell

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Speaker 1: you what do we talk for over an hour before

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Speaker 1: we started?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we did. I guess we should hit record at

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Speaker 3: some point.

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Speaker 1: I do that a lot. But I just have the

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Speaker 1: most amazing people on my show, and I'm so so

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Speaker 1: thrilled to add you to that roster. And I know

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Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna do an episode on the process

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Speaker 1: of letting our children go as well, because my life

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Speaker 1: is kind of transitioned to where I'm having to do

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Speaker 1: that pretty quickly and in a different way than I

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Speaker 1: thought I was going to have to. So we're gonna

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Speaker 1: do that episode coming up. So but this has been amazing.

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Speaker 1: I've just so enjoyed this and so enjoyed getting to

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Speaker 1: know you better and talking about these principles about prayer

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Speaker 1: because I think they're revolutionary. They are revolutionary if you

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Speaker 1: will grasp a hold of them and believe, and and

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Speaker 1: I encourage other people grab the book eighty seven pages.

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Speaker 1: Let us pray. I think where'd you get yours? Amazon?

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Speaker 3: Audible?

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Speaker 1: Audible? You got an audible Okay, yeah, so I think

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Speaker 1: you can still get it on Amazon though, I'm pretty sure. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let us pray. It's a wonderful book. So this has

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Speaker 1: been awesome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, And can I close us in

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Speaker 2: prayer real quick?

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Speaker 1: I always welcome prayer.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's pray. Let us pray. Father.

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Speaker 2: We just thank you so much for I thank you

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Speaker 2: for Catherine for just kind of bringing us together, allowing

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Speaker 2: our podcasts to intersect, and just thank you for Life

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Speaker 2: Audio for kind of being the source of our connection.

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Speaker 2: We just pray, Father, that you would help us to

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Speaker 2: just attune our ears to the voice of your will,

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Speaker 2: your Kingdom Come, Your will be done, so that we

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Speaker 2: can lay those train tracks, so that we can be

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Speaker 2: part of partnering with you to bring those things to pass.

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Speaker 2: We just thank you so much for just the love

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Speaker 2: that you have, for that you allow us to be

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Speaker 2: partners in this miraculous and mysterious work of prayer. We

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Speaker 2: just pray that for anyone who is struggling and suffering

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Speaker 2: in their relationship with You, who's been disappointed, who's had

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Speaker 2: just unspeakable heartache in their lives, who doesn't know if

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Speaker 2: you care or if you hear that you would just

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Speaker 2: right now minister to them, that they would feel your presence,

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Speaker 2: your holy spirit would just surround them like a warm blanket,

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Speaker 2: that you would just fill them with your love and

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Speaker 2: your peace and with a knowledge that you hear them

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Speaker 2: that you want them to draw near to you, that

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Speaker 2: you want them to partner with you in bringing blessing

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Speaker 2: and Kingdom purposes onto this earth as it is in heaven.

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Speaker 2: I lived up Catherine to you and just pray for

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Speaker 2: her family, for each one of her children, that each

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Speaker 2: of them would come to know you in a personal,

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Speaker 2: intimate way and would just passionately pursue a relationship with

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Speaker 2: you for the rest of their lives. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: her powerful testimony, just for the birth of her numbers

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Speaker 2: four and five, and that you have just given her

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Speaker 2: such a personal look at how you work through persistent

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Speaker 2: and passionate prayer. We just pray that you would bless

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Speaker 2: this time and just be glorified in it in Jesus name.

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Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, Amen, Why don't you tell my listeners where

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Speaker 1: they can learn more about your podcast and get in

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Speaker 1: touch with you guys.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we are at just the Praying Christian Women podcast

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Speaker 2: anywhere you listen to podcasts. You can find us at

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Speaker 2: Praying Christianwomen dot com and we are on substack and

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Speaker 2: Instagram and Facebook at Praying Christian Women.

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Speaker 1: How about you. You can find me at Christian Parent

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Speaker 1: Crazy World with Life Audio. It's wherever podcasts where you

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Speaker 1: listen to your podcast. We deal with tough theological, cultural,

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Speaker 1: apologetic issues and relational issues. And I'd love to dig

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Speaker 1: into a good topic like prayer like this, because I mean,

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Speaker 1: we wonder why do we pray? Does it really accomplish anything?

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Speaker 1: And I think we really answered that question today in

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Speaker 1: a way that is in line with scripture. You can

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Speaker 1: also find me at Katherine Segers dot com. I have

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Speaker 1: like scripture lists to pray over your children, particularly prodigal

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Speaker 1: children or women who are struggling with fertility and other

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Speaker 1: issues like that. And I'm also on Instagram at Catherine

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Speaker 1: Seegers and Facebook. I don't mosey over there as much

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Speaker 1: as I need to because I'm pretty busy and maybe

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Speaker 1: soon to be substack. I need to get over there,

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Speaker 1: but this has been delightful and it's such a joy

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Speaker 1: and I can't wait to talk to you again about

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Speaker 1: the process of letting our children go. That's going to

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Speaker 1: be an amazing episode too, I know it is.

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Speaker 2: Well, Thank you, Catherine.

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Speaker 1: So to answer the question I posed at the top

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Speaker 1: of the show, do our prayers really change anything? Well?

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Speaker 1: I think that Jamie and I answered that question and

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Speaker 1: our conversation pretty well, but I just want to circle

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Speaker 1: back to that question and give a very clear answer.

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Speaker 1: Do our prayers really change anything? Well? That depends. It

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Speaker 1: depends entirely on whether we are praying our will or

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Speaker 1: His will. If we are praying our will, the only

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Speaker 1: change we're probably gonna see is a lot of frustration

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Speaker 1: growing inside of us. But if we are praying his will, well,

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Speaker 1: now that changes everything. Praying God's will can change a

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Speaker 1: prodigal journey or.

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Speaker 3: An empty womb. It can change a.

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Speaker 1: Marriage or a family, or a diagnosis. It can change

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Speaker 1: a church or a nation. You guys, praying according to

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Speaker 1: the will of God can change the world. So be

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Speaker 1: encouraged and keep praying, and don't forget to join us

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Speaker 1: again next week. As Jamie and I shift our focus

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Speaker 1: from prayer to the people we are so often praying

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Speaker 1: for our kids, we'll be talking honestly about empty nesting.

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Speaker 1: Jamie has walked that road, then I'm standing right on

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Speaker 1: the edge of empty nesting two kids at once. You guys.

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Speaker 1: Empty nesting is not the finish line of parenting, but

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Speaker 1: it is a major milestone, one that reshapes our roles,

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Speaker 1: our relationships, and the way we continue to love and

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Speaker 1: lead our children. And as we navigate every season of

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Speaker 1: parenting beginning, middle, and beyond, this truth remains the same.

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Speaker 1: God gave you your kids, your specific kids for a reason.

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Speaker 1: That's because you hold the key to unlocking who God

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Speaker 1: created them to be. We'll see you next time.

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