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Speaker 1: Life Audio. Well, thank you for listening to the Christian

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Speaker 1: True Crime Junkies podcast. I'm Jamie Hampton, and today I'm

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Speaker 1: really excited to be here with Janie Cantori. Janice is

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Speaker 1: a former Long Beach police officer who writes Christian romantic

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Speaker 1: suspense novels, and those novels are kind of drawing from

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Speaker 1: her twenty two years of experience in law enforcement, and

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Speaker 1: she creates authentic stories that are all about justice, faith,

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Speaker 1: and overcoming adversity, which makes her a perfect fit for

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Speaker 1: this podcast. And her latest book, Edge of Truth, actually

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Speaker 1: releases today as of when this episode is aired February seventeenth,

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Speaker 1: So we're so excited to have you. Janis, thanks for

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Speaker 1: joining us on the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: You know, I kind of wish this kind of venue

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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: I used to love to watch all the all the

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Speaker 3: television dramas, cold case files, anything that was realistic I

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Speaker 3: used to like to watch, and true crime podcast would

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Speaker 1: Well, Alana, my co host, is a huge true crime fanatic,

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Speaker 1: and she loves listening to true crime stories because she's

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Speaker 1: also a Christian suspense author, but there's just so much

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Speaker 1: that's not desirable as a Christian. There's swearing, there's gore,

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Speaker 1: there's glorification of crime, and so she really created this

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Speaker 1: particular podcast with the idea of providing true crime access

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Speaker 1: to people without all of that and putting God at

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Speaker 1: the center of it, which I love that you do

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Speaker 1: you're just all about seeing God at work, even in

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Speaker 1: our listeners know you as a Christian suspense author, but

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Speaker 1: before that, you had this whole other life for twenty

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Speaker 3: Well, in general, my thing was, especially when I was

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Speaker 2: That wasn't in my makeup. But I thought drunk drivers

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Speaker 3: in the backseat, and I just remember seeing that, and

444
00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 3: I remember praying for them because we were there for

445
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 3: a long time waiting for everything to get cleaned up.

446
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,280
Speaker 3: But anyone about nine months, maybe a year later, the

447
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 3: newspaper used to have a religion section, and I used

448
00:21:58,040 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 3: to read it all the time, and I remember reading

449
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 3: it and it was that woman, the woman who'd been

450
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,439
Speaker 3: the driver, and she was telling the story about how

451
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: losing their nine month old baby, their first son, had

452
00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 3: strained their marriage but eventually strengthened it because they recognized God.

453
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 3: They both believed in God. And she talked about her

454
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 3: the rehabilitation on her knee, and she but most of all,

455
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,040
Speaker 3: she talked about her faith, her faith and belief in

456
00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: God and how that kept her and her husband together

457
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 3: and even though they lost their son. And I just thought, oh,

458
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,959
Speaker 3: my gosh, I mean, because we never saw the end

459
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,359
Speaker 3: result of most things, so to see that and read that,

460
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, you know, praise God. So that was

461
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,720
Speaker 3: kind of that was just a neat thing, sad but

462
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 3: very neat.

463
00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 1: Well, And I just think about you being prompted to

464
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 1: pray at that moment and just you know, someday, I

465
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: just look forward. I really truly believe that when we

466
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 1: go to Heaven, we're going to get to see some

467
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 1: of the ripple effects of our prayers. And I just

468
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 1: wonder you being prompted at that moment to pray, how

469
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: powerful and how necessary those prayers were at that time

470
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: to set the stage for all that they were going

471
00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: to have to go through in the weeks and months

472
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: and years ahead of them.

473
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was interesting they had been coming from

474
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: a Bible study.

475
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: Oh my god. They are there any other times that

476
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: you can think of where God showed up in an

477
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: unexpected way, or you just really needed God to help

478
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: you in the moment and He came through, or you

479
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: felt really prompted to pray, whether or not you saw

480
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: the outcome during your time there.

481
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,080
Speaker 2: Well, definitely during the riot.

482
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: So I was working during the Rodney King riots, and

483
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 3: that was actually what got me wanting to write, because

484
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 3: I was there the day it started and I can

485
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 3: remember it just was a normal day.

486
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: I wrote tickets. I was working dayshift at that time.

487
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 3: I was by myself, and it was just normal until

488
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 3: the kids got out of school and then pardon the expression,

489
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: but all hell broke lou and we were not prepared

490
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 3: in any way, shape or form for what happened. I mean,

491
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 3: there was a lot that happened. Most of the stuff

492
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 3: happened in La, but a lot happened in Long Beach.

493
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 3: I think something like twenty buildings were burned. We were

494
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 3: immediately told we could not go home and eventually ended

495
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 3: up on twelve hour shifts for seven days, so there

496
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 3: was no days off.

497
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 2: It was just craziness. It was crazy.

498
00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: So three am to three pm ended up being my shift,

499
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 3: and then the other half was three pm to three am.

500
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: That was how they broke it up, if I remember right. Anyway,

501
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: so working in the dark with crowds of angry, angry

502
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 2: people screaming, spitting, throwing bottles, and then eventually looting.

503
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: It was bad then, but you know now it's on

504
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 3: steroids because they burned cars and they do all kinds

505
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 3: of then they were just interested in looting. I can

506
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 3: remember my first assignment was keep people out of the

507
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 3: Long Beach Mall. They were afraid they'd get in the

508
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 3: mall and loot all the stores there, so they were

509
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: trying to give the store owners time to lock up

510
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: and everything. So we were trying to hold off this crowd,

511
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: and I remember thinking I was so glad. I was

512
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 3: standing next to a guy who was like six' to

513
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 3: two and built like a, linebacker AND i just remember

514
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 3: thinking to.

515
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: My, So i'm so Glad i'm standing next to. You

516
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 2: it was.

517
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 3: Surreal you, said. Bizarre now this is. BIZARRE i GUESS

518
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: i should have thought of this. Before we're standing.

519
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: There we don't have any riot gear, yet so all

520
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 2: we have are regular.

521
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 3: Batons we're standing there trying to keep them out of them,

522
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 3: all and then they realized they're not going to get

523
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: in them. All AND i don't even know how they

524
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: got tipped off to, that but all of a, sudden

525
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 3: they just turn like they're one.

526
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 2: Person this big.

527
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: Crowd they just turn and they run straight for this

528
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 3: supermarket and they're jumping over. Cars it was like the

529
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 3: sea of. People they're jumping over, cars and then they

530
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 3: just burst into the supermarket and there was absolutely nothing

531
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 3: we could do to stop them from looting that supermarket

532
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,239
Speaker 3: and then from there on it was just. Chaos and

533
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 3: so that was actually what made me want to start,

534
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 3: writing BECAUSE i wanted to try and invain WHAT i

535
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 3: felt that. DAY i don't know That i've ever been

536
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 3: able to because it was like it was unbelievable unless you're,

537
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: There unless you're, there it's like it was just.

538
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: Unbelievable did that inspire a particular book or did you

539
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: just kind of start writing your thoughts.

540
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 3: Down the first BOOK i wrote WHEN i first started,

541
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: writing it was pretty it was pretty, awful but EVENTUALLY

542
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 3: i did.

543
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: Put it into a. Book it Was code Of courage

544
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 2: is WHERE i eventually put the rioting into a.

545
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: BOOK i Wrote code Of courage during the twenty twenty

546
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 3: riots right when they burned Down. Minneapolis so that just

547
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 3: inspired me to start it.

548
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 2: To try and do it. Again SO i put it

549
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: In code Of.

550
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: Courage, yeah what were the feelings that you had during that?

551
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,240
Speaker 1: Time if you could kind of give us a window

552
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: into what you'd, experience just BECAUSE i think it'll help

553
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: us with just praying for law.

554
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 3: Enforcement they definitely need your prayers because they don't get

555
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: any support and you don't know what it's like when

556
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 3: you're standing in front of a bunch of people that

557
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 3: want to do you. Harm and what happens with a mob,

558
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: Mentality all they need is that one opening and then

559
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 3: you know WHAT i, mean that's when they destroyed the.

560
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 3: Supermarket they just there was that one opening and they

561
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: were in it and it was like. Locusts AND i

562
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: remember after that point in, time they put us in,

563
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 3: cars four to a, car and they kind of send

564
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 3: us to different hot, spots which was totally. Useless but

565
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 3: they were caught totally flat. Footed they DIDN'T i don't

566
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 3: think they realized how bad it was going to be at.

567
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,400
Speaker 3: First by the second and third day they were much.

568
00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 3: Better but that first RESPONSE i thought was really weak

569
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: and that was the. PROBLEM i think you need to

570
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: respond hard and fast at, first so just stop.

571
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: It but it didn't get. Stopped AND i can't.

572
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 3: Remember we were on the street and we're standing, there

573
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: and this was another supermarket they were they wanted to get,

574
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 3: to and we were trying to keep them.

575
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 2: Off AND i remember standing.

576
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 3: There in the dark thinking to, myself you, know anyone

577
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 3: could open up with gunfire from any of these windows behind.

578
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: Me you, know they could shoot all of.

579
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: Us and then now, now thankfully they have all that,

580
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: gear they have the, helmet they have the, vest they

581
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: have all the.

582
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: Gear we had none of. Them we had long riot.

583
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: Batons that was. It so so, anyway it was just.

584
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: Crazy and you, know there are STORIES i DIDN'T i

585
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: personally never went into a store to get looters. Out

586
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: that was not what WHEN i was. Working that was

587
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: never one of our. Assignments but my, partner my old, partner.

588
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: Actually did go into stores and get people. Out and

589
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: it was so.

590
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: Opportunistic and it was sat on one hand because there

591
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: were a lot of people that were just getting, food you,

592
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: know and they were making them drop it and sending them,

593
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: out you, know but there were other people that really

594
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 3: wanted to hurt. You so where do you draw the?

595
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: Line there are people that really wanted to hurt. You

596
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: they set, fires they burned buildings, down they destroyed, things

597
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,000
Speaker 3: and so you've got this mix of these opportunistic people

598
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: and these evil.

599
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: People and it was. Crazy that's. Crazy ALL i could.

600
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: SAY i might end up taking this part out That

601
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: i'm about to say because it's very, controversial BUT i

602
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: think we do need to talk about. It do you

603
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: have any insights in how we can have a conversation

604
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: that acknowledges that there are times when excessive force is.

605
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Used there are corrupt officers out there that need to

606
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: be held, accountable but that not all police are those.

607
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: People AND i would say the majority are not corrupt,

608
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: people and that there are circumstances that you can't understand

609
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: until you've been in. Them do you have any comments

610
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: or any in sites how we can have a conversation

611
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: because As, CHRISTIANS i feel like we have to try

612
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: our very best to be a. Light we have to

613
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: pray for law. Enforcement we have to pray both for

614
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: protection and for justice within law enforcement when it's. Necessary

615
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: BUT i JUST i see it being very difficult to

616
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: have the conversation without emotions on both sides getting really

617
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: high and becoming.

618
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 3: Destructive well that's the problem because each side has their own,

619
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: definition like you, Know AND i just have to pray

620
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: about this all the time BECAUSE i Know god's in

621
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,239
Speaker 3: control and nothing is out of his. Purview, HOWEVER i

622
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 3: understand everybody has the right to, protest but violence is not.

623
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 3: Protesting violence is breaking the. Law and these guys have

624
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 3: a job to do AND i absolutely if a cop is,

625
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: Wrong i'm not going to stick up for, them But

626
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: i'm Also i'm just saddened in anger WHEN i see

627
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: them so abused for just doing their, job BECAUSE i

628
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: don't want to see anyone get, hurt BUT i don't

629
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 3: want to see violent protesters getting away with it.

630
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: Either so did anything that you were a part of

631
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: with with THE lbpd make you Question god's goodness or

632
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 1: get angry With? God you?

633
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 3: Know there are, times, SURE i remember when an officer

634
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: got killed on.

635
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: Duty it was an.

636
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: Ambush they came up behind the car and just fired

637
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 3: and one of the two officers were in the, car.

638
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: One was, injured one was.

639
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: Murdered so that kind of. Stuff you, know he was

640
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 3: a really nice. Guy he was a great. Guy he

641
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 3: was not a bad. Copy he was a good. Copy

642
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 3: he loved his, community and that kind of stuff just

643
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: gives you.

644
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: Pause it's, like, Wow, Wow, lord.

645
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: Why but you, know you just have to really hold

646
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: your feet to the fact That god is a Good

647
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: god and if your foundation is on his character as

648
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: a Good, god and he knows, everything he knows the

649
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: THINGS i will never, know and you just have to

650
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: rest on that or you'll go crazy or you'll be

651
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: angry all the.

652
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: Time so, yeah. ABSOLUTELY i think that is so important

653
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: just to kind of like we were talking about, before

654
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: just you have to establish what is true as the

655
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: foundation for everything else in. Life and if we don't have,

656
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: that if we don't know what is true by knowing

657
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: what The bible says about Who god is and what he,

658
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: PROMISES i think sometimes our understanding of What god has

659
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: promised us is. Wrong oh. Yeah sometimes pastors are responsible

660
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: for false teaching that once you become A christian and

661
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: once you give your tithe to my organization or my,

662
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: church then you're going to have it. All you, know

663
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: you're going to get that, Job you're going to have, health,

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00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: wealth and prosperity for the rest of your, life and

665
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: only good things will happen to. You or you're not

666
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,719
Speaker 1: giving enough or you're not doing, enough and that is

667
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 1: contrary to what The bible. Says The bible says in

668
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: this world we will have. Trouble SO i love that

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00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: you have that solid truth to stand on That god

670
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: is good And i'm not going to always understand. IT i,

671
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: mean it doesn't make it easy in the moment to.

672
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: Swallow so for, sure how do you handle? That how

673
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: do you handle those? Moments when you are wrestling with,

674
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: that what's your go to to kind of decompress and

675
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: get back to the.

676
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: Always, yeah we're.

677
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 3: Always and there's a couple of pastors THAT i really

678
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: like to listen, to And i'll listen to them all the.

679
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: Time but it's just it really is prayer and it's

680
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 3: just resting On god's. WORD i think one pastor THAT

681
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: i listened, to he's always going To psalm, nineteen and you,

682
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 3: Know i'm going to paraphrase BECAUSE i don't know THAT

683
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 3: i will get it, right but it's basically he Is lord,

684
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: overall and it's also the solid foundation of his word being.

685
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 3: Truth AND i can remember one pastor saying there's no

686
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 3: reason For christians to be anxious because they have The

687
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: book Of. Psalms and that is so true because there

688
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: is so much comfort and truth in The book Of.

689
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 3: Psalms and so that is WHERE i go to that

690
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 3: we're having this conversation because the Book i'm working on,

691
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 3: now they just finished the edits this is the whole

692
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 3: theme because the main, character her husband is killed in a,

693
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: gunfight and this is what she wrestles. With and there

694
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: was a great quote By Elizabeth elliott and of Course

695
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: i'm going to get it. Wrong but, basically you're only

696
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 3: anxious if you're not recognizing the character Of. God if

697
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 3: your foundation is not the character Of, god then you're

698
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 3: going to be anxious something along those lines. Anyway and

699
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: so that's kind of her faith journey is to exactly

700
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 3: what you just asked. Me how do you how do

701
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 3: you Reconcile god's goodness with the evil in the, World

702
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: and you just have to go back to the basics

703
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 3: of his, character the fact that we are saved by,

704
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: grace that he gave his only son to die on

705
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: the cross for all of us and while we were

706
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: still stuck in our. Sin and when you recognize what

707
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 3: that took for, him you have to recognize That he's

708
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 3: a Good. God thing is out of his control and we.

709
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: May never see the.

710
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: Why we never get that, answer, Right we never get

711
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 3: the answer to why until we go to.

712
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: Glory but by then it probably isn't even gonna matter.

713
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: Anymore, Yeah oh that's. Beautiful thank you for. THAT i

714
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: just feel like someone listening probably really needs to hear

715
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: that right. Now, well speaking of your, Books i'd like

716
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: to just real quick ask, you can you just think

717
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: of a couple of, things like specific things that directly

718
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: made it into some of your.

719
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: Suspense elements of things have made it into my, books

720
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 3: like the opening of this book With laney that where

721
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 3: she arrests the drunk. DRIVER i, mean that could have

722
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 3: been any drunk driver THAT i, arrested except for without

723
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 3: the dead body in the.

724
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: Backseat so, thankfully that kind of, Stuff AND i try

725
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: TO i try to keep the lingo, correct AND i

726
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 4: try to keep you, know the whole, policy the police department,

727
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 4: policy so that STUFF i try to keep.

728
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: Straight so but.

729
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 3: Specific and maybe some, shootings not THAT i was involved,

730
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: with but that what that, happened that kind of.

731
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: Thing, yeah, well can you tell us a little bit

732
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: about your newest, Book edge Of. Truth is this a

733
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: standalone book or is this part of a. Series, no it's.

734
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: Standalone that's WHAT i. Thought that's That's leny And ben

735
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 3: and she it. Starts the story starts when she's a

736
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: rookie and she pulls over a drunk driver with a

737
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 3: dead body in the back of his, car and so

738
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 3: she is dealing with the fact that when.

739
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: That case is all, resolved he's let.

740
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: Go they can't find any evidence that he actually killed

741
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 3: the person that was in the, backseat so he is

742
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 3: basically let go. Anyway so then the main story opens

743
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: like fifteen years later when she was certain that he did,

744
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: it but nobody has ever been brought to justice for

745
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: the death of this young woman that she.

746
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: Found and so that's how the story. Starts and then.

747
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: We Meet, ben who is AB i agent and he

748
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 3: is struggling because his partner who went under cover has

749
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: not reported in and is now. Missing and he And

750
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:13,240
Speaker 3: laney clash together and end up being involved in the same.

751
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: Case so and that's kind Of edge Of. TRUTH i

752
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 3: don't want to do any, Spoilers.

753
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: No don't do. Spoilers they can get the book today

754
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: if they, want so it is. Available. Now where can

755
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: they find your? Book and where would you like to

756
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: send them to find out more about you and all

757
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: of your other? Books because you've written a lot of.

758
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: Books how?

759
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 3: MANY i think the ONE i just finished that we'll

760
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 3: go back to the editor in Seventeen.

761
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: All, right, yeah that's a. Few so where can our

762
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: listeners go to find all of your books and Specifically

763
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: edge Of? Truth?

764
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: ANYWHERE i have all the buttons on my website janiscantoy dot.

765
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 2: Com so you can pretty much get him.

766
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: Anywhere my favorite site to interact with fans is The

767
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,479
Speaker 3: Romantic suspense ateam On. Facebook i'm there with a bunch

768
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: of other really great, Authors diane Mill Lynette.

769
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: Esen, anyway there's a bunch of. Us they're all awesome.

770
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: Authors and where is? That what is that? Called On?

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00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: Facebook it's Called Romantic suspense.

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00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: Eighteen Romantic suspense. Eighteen we will link to that in

773
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: our show.

774
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 2: Notes that's my favorite.

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00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: PLACE i know a lot of people Use instagram and

776
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 3: a lot of people use other, platforms but that just

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00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 3: happens to be my. Favorite that's, good AND i will

778
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,880
Speaker 3: be giving away copies Of edge Of.

779
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: Truth oh great on The Romantic suspense Eighteen facebook. Page,

780
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: perfect all, right that's.

781
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 2: Awesome there's also a good giveaway on Good.

782
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Reads so a giveaway On. Goodreads and how long does that?

783
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: LAST i believe it.

784
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: Lasts tell the release, Date so From february second to

785
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 3: The february, seventeenth you can sign up on Good reads

786
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 3: for a.

787
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: Giveaway, okay? Perfect all. Right we've kind of touched on

788
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: some prayer points throughout our, Conversation so do you have

789
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: any others other than what we've already talked about that

790
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: you would, say would be some prayer points for law

791
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: enforcement and anything you'd like for us to pray about for, You.

792
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: Well for law, enforcement just pray for their safety because you,

793
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 3: know it's gotten so. CRAZY i MEAN i can think

794
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 3: of three or four incidents as where they're just sitting

795
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: in their patrol cars and somebody walks up and shoots,

796
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 3: them or somebody makes a fake call and we have to.

797
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: Respond you, know this is one thing we used to,

798
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,839
Speaker 3: say we have to respond to that ninety one one.

799
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 3: Call the fire department can, say, opes that doesn't sound.

800
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 3: Safe you let us know when it's. Safe we have to.

801
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 3: Respond and you know we are not the bad. Guys i'm,

802
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: sorry we're Not.

803
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 2: Nazis there are laws that need to be, enforced and,

804
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 2: yeah sometimes it's not, pretty but, please these men and

805
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 2: women have, families you, know people that depend on, them

806
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: and just please pray for their. Safety definitely to, ME

807
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: i just need pray for ideas ideas for the next.

808
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: Book, hey, yeah, absolutely all. Right, Well, janis thank you

809
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: so much for being here to talk with. Us this

810
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: has been really just a great conversation And i'm excited

811
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: to read your new book and then maybe go back

812
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: and read some of your old books because it sounds really.

813
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: Great so thank you so. Much all, right all, right

814
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: Well i'm going to close us in. Prayer, Okay, god

815
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 1: thank you for this time With. Janie we just thank

816
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: you for law. Enforcement we thank you for just providing

817
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: us with people that will respond to make our city

818
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: safer and to make our homes. Safer and we just

819
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: lift them up to you In jesus' name and just

820
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: pray for their. Safety we pray that you would just

821
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,439
Speaker 1: be at work in hotspots right, now especially where there

822
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: are intense conflicts involving law. Enforcement we just pray for

823
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: all parties, involved that the peace Of christ would be

824
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: unleashed on those, cities on those, towns in those, areas

825
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: in those, homes and that peace would. Prevail we just

826
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: pray for your word to go. Out thank you so

827
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,320
Speaker 1: much For janis and just the fact that she brings

828
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,959
Speaker 1: The word Of god into her. Suspense we just pray

829
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: for her, work that the word Of god would go

830
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: out through her work and through her, words and that

831
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: it would not return. Empty. Lord we just pray for

832
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: the release of this new, Book edge Of, truth and

833
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: ask that you would allow it to reach countless, people

834
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,799
Speaker 1: maybe even people that wouldn't normally open A, bible that

835
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: would just see, you See christ reflected in that book

836
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: and come to know you through. Him. Lord we pray

837
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,800
Speaker 1: for ideas and vision and inspiration and energy and motivation

838
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: for the next book and the next books for, her

839
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 1: and just thank you that you're the source of everything we.

840
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: Need you're the provider where we feel. Dry you bring

841
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: springs of living, water AND i just pray that over

842
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: her In jesus. Name, Amen, amen thank, You. Jeremy do

843
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844
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,440
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845
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: i can't wait to tell you the good. News alana

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