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<v Speaker 1>I'm you, Hewittt. Welcome to the Big Weekend Pod. Four

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<v Speaker 1>weeks of the war with Iran are in the books.

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<v Speaker 1>America continues to win decisively alongside of our ally Israel.

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<v Speaker 1>Two allies have stood up verbally strongly with us, the

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<v Speaker 1>United Arab Emirates and Ukraine, and all the people out

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<v Speaker 1>there have been wondering, shall we really be supporting Ukraine?

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<v Speaker 1>Take note. Old Europe is nowhere to be found. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they sit around, they say they're going to participate

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<v Speaker 1>in opening the Straits of Horror moves, but we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen a British ship, we haven't seen a French ship

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<v Speaker 1>Wenesday in anything from Old Europe that we liberated twice

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<v Speaker 1>in the last century. But the United Arab Emirates, they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting into the fight, and Ukraine has been in the

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<v Speaker 1>fight for weeks, sending all the anti drone technology to

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<v Speaker 1>protect our golf allies. So when it comes time to

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<v Speaker 1>remember this for let's remember who was there and who wasn't. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a long time supporter of NATO. Everyone listens

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<v Speaker 1>to my show knows that. But at some point you

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, are those countries broken beyond repair? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they'll revive. It's possible Nigel Farage or somebody else

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<v Speaker 1>will rise in Britain. It's possible that Macrone's successor won't

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<v Speaker 1>be a weak need surrender monkey. I don't know it's possible,

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<v Speaker 1>but them been there thus far, and UAE and Ukraine

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<v Speaker 1>have been And when I count wins and losses and

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<v Speaker 1>friends and allies, I want you to remember that Ukraine

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<v Speaker 1>United Arab Emirates. Secondly understated by our defeatist and demoralized

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<v Speaker 1>legacy media is the fact we're winning decisively. We're winning

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<v Speaker 1>so fast you can't even leave how fast we're winning.

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<v Speaker 1>We're winning in every part of the country, We're winning

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<v Speaker 1>in every battlefield. We have lost seventeen Americans, another a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen are severely wounded. Their families are suffering grievously. It

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<v Speaker 1>is not a war without costs. We've lost two f

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen to friendly fire. We've lost a dozen drones that

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<v Speaker 1>were old school. But the Israelis have lost between twenty

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty five civilians and soldiers and a number of

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<v Speaker 1>direct hits on their infrastructure. Our golf allies have lost

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<v Speaker 1>more than twenty of their people. So it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>bloodless for and we are smashing Iran on every level.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's no telling who's in charge. There's no telling

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<v Speaker 1>what is a lie and what isn't a lie. But

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<v Speaker 1>so long as the war goes on, I'm all in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of it because Iran's killed more than a thousand

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<v Speaker 1>Americans since the revolution in nineteen forty seven. They are

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<v Speaker 1>our sworn enemy. They chant death to America and they're

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<v Speaker 1>sleep and they mean it. They want it to happen,

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<v Speaker 1>and I am so glad this is finally happening. And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still broadcasting because they've been killing Americans for as

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<v Speaker 1>long as I've been on the air, and I've been

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<v Speaker 1>on the air a long time. Finally, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>point out two things. First of all, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people are mad at Donald Trump for not giving a

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<v Speaker 1>Churchillian speech, you know, summoning the nation to war. We

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<v Speaker 1>will fight on the beach at a different time, and

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people now he's not clear, and he

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<v Speaker 1>changes his mind and he's ambiguous. I will use a

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<v Speaker 1>Churchillian if you listen to Doctor Ironer and I talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Winston Churchill on the Hillsdale Dialogues all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been in Churchill's The Gathering Storm for a year now.

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<v Speaker 1>If you listen to us talk about Churchill, I think

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<v Speaker 1>you will have heard us refer to the famous I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was a toast that he gave ironically in

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<v Speaker 1>Tehran at the Tehran Conference in nineteen forty three, and

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he gave the toast to Stalin, and the

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<v Speaker 1>toast went in wartime. Truth is so precious that she

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<v Speaker 1>must always be attended by a bodyguard of lives. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, you've always got to use misdirection in war.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't tell people what you're going to do. You

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<v Speaker 1>don't tell them what you've done. You don't tell them

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<v Speaker 1>what losses you've suffered. You tell them the truth that

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<v Speaker 1>we're in a war and we got to win it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an evil regime. You tell them big victories. Churchill

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<v Speaker 1>kept suppressed the news of sinkings sometime for weeks at

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<v Speaker 1>a time and a month at a time. But we

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<v Speaker 1>are winning decisively. But spare me the og. He hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>given us the battle plan in detail to put on

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<v Speaker 1>the front page of the New York class. No, we're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to win. And then, finally, the biggest picture of

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<v Speaker 1>all what Donald Trump is doing right now with this war,

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<v Speaker 1>along with Secretary of Exist Sherman of the Joint Chiefs

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<v Speaker 1>of Staff, Cain, everyone up and down the chain of command,

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone a Jay to the Shain of Command, Vice

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<v Speaker 1>President's Secretary of State, Gang of eight, and the Senate

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<v Speaker 1>in the House. People on the inside, they know that

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<v Speaker 1>he's restoring American deterrence which is lost by Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>when he withdrew precipitously from Afghanistan in the summer of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty one, which led to the Ukraine War. He's

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<v Speaker 1>also restoring deterrence with Iran, which was given away by

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<v Speaker 1>Barack Obama in the JCPOA, which was the worst deal

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<v Speaker 1>in history, as President Trump said. And he's doing it

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<v Speaker 1>in a way the same way that Reagan and George H. W.

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<v Speaker 1>Bush did over a period of time. Reagan started with

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<v Speaker 1>GREATA small operation killed a bunch of Cubans, got him

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<v Speaker 1>off of Grenada. George H. W. Bush followed with the

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<v Speaker 1>Panama invasion, then with the big punch in Gulf War one,

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<v Speaker 1>and after Gulf War one one hundred Hour War. Though

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<v Speaker 1>it was perhaps concluded too soon, it re established in

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<v Speaker 1>the minds of our enemy, do not mess with America.

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<v Speaker 1>That same message is coming through right now now. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you have not yet read Mobilized by Schum Sandcar,

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<v Speaker 1>that's spelled shyam sa nkr Sandcar and it's simply called Mobilize.

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<v Speaker 1>Schum wrote it with Madelon Hart, and I talked to him.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find it over at my YouTube channel. On Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Realize that, yeah, we didn't build a lot for the

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<v Speaker 1>last thirty years, and maybe that we got lucky that

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<v Speaker 1>we're now building what we need for the next generation

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<v Speaker 1>of warfare, which is completely different from what we needed

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<v Speaker 1>to win the Cold War. Golf four one, Golf four two,

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<v Speaker 1>the March to Baghdad. It's a different kind of war.

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<v Speaker 1>And right now you'll hear me ask Sankar this if

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<v Speaker 1>you listen to it, how soon can we build a

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<v Speaker 1>long range drone with a heavy payload by the hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands that can take off from anywhere in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and go anywhere in the world. Because when

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<v Speaker 1>we've got that, we've got the terns. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>when can we deploy that Leonidas system that you talked about.

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<v Speaker 1>The Leonidas system is a way to knock down drones?

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<v Speaker 1>And how soon can we defeat the chicoms Leonidis. The

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<v Speaker 1>battlefields of Ukraine and Iran are showing us stuff, But

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<v Speaker 1>more importantly, they're putting to end. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if it'll be immediate or if it'll take a year,

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<v Speaker 1>but this regimes finished in Iran. Everybody hates it. They're

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<v Speaker 1>out of money, their leadership has been destroyed, their weaponryes

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<v Speaker 1>and the shambles. They're getting off one or two missiles

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<v Speaker 1>a day, sometimes five, a very great cost to Israel, annoying, exhausting, tiring.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety percent of Israel support the war because they do

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<v Speaker 1>not have a defeatis demoralized press. So sit back and listen.

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<v Speaker 1>They have John Allison Ellis items to talk about, some

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<v Speaker 1>of the headlines you might not have seen. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>Charles C. W Cook, who is pro war sort of.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I've got Eli Lake who's very pro war.

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<v Speaker 1>And so the new news and review is coming up

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<v Speaker 1>this week is a fabulous weekend review the Big Weekend Pod.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening. Enjoy the Big Weekend Pod Studio

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<v Speaker 1>Beltwigh Today it is the Weekend Review program. And what

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<v Speaker 1>a week it's been. The conclusion of the fourth week

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<v Speaker 1>of the war with Iran. I begin as I do

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<v Speaker 1>most Fridays and weekends with John Ellis, Founder of News Items,

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<v Speaker 1>editor in chief of News Items, and John always sends

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<v Speaker 1>me the stories he wants to cover, and I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>the first story was Iran. John, I'm going to give

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<v Speaker 1>you the stage, but I'm going to say beforehand, I

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<v Speaker 1>try and read everything about the war, listen to the

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<v Speaker 1>informed speculation, and I'm an optimist. I think it's going

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<v Speaker 1>very very well. I'm not sure you are, so have

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<v Speaker 1>at it well. I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's difficult because the Ranians have a lot of leverage

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<v Speaker 2>with the straight being able to close the straight essential

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<v Speaker 2>which creates stress, you know, all the way down the line.

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<v Speaker 2>East Asia obviously the ones that feel it most acutely first.

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<v Speaker 2>So it also seems unlikely that that can be resolved

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<v Speaker 2>without the commitment of US troops quote on the ground

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. And I think that's what President Trump is

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<v Speaker 2>leading up to. And anytime troops are on the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be you want to be hopeful that

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<v Speaker 2>need it'll work out, and you want to be realistic

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<v Speaker 2>about the fact that it might go awry.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm reminded, and I remind everyone of an ironically

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<v Speaker 1>something Churchill said in Tehran in nineteen forty three to

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<v Speaker 1>Stalin in more time. Truth is so precious it must

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<v Speaker 1>be protected by a bodyguard of lives. So I don't

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<v Speaker 1>believe anyone on anything. All I can tell is facts

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<v Speaker 1>and the facts from scentcom and the idea they do

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<v Speaker 1>seem to dictate to us that the Iranian military is crumbling.

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<v Speaker 1>It's in shambles. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that the you know, the projection of force

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<v Speaker 2>that has been executed by the Americans and the Israelis

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<v Speaker 2>is just absolutely astonishing. And to me it's a wonder

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<v Speaker 2>that the regime, the Iranian regime still stands. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think there really is a regime anymore. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps that remains. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>very decentralized command structure, and so if you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>one part gets blown up, other parts all across the

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<v Speaker 2>country keep going. And really the question is how much

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<v Speaker 2>pain can they withstand. They've withstood enormous pain so far.

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<v Speaker 2>The historical record the Iran Iraq War in the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>They lost six hundred to eight hundred thousand people in

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<v Speaker 2>that war. So they certainly have a history of being

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<v Speaker 2>able to withstand a lot of pain.

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<v Speaker 1>That's absolutely true. In there once again relying on children recruits.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was forty seven years ago and the revolution

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<v Speaker 1>was fresh and the enthusiasm was there. Now the real

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<v Speaker 1>is worth nothing. And the people I talked to it

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<v Speaker 1>you tell me, if you talk to other people, adamal

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Montgomery and others, they tell me that the operation

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<v Speaker 1>in the Strait, while difficult, is not that difficult, especially

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<v Speaker 1>if we have allies, and you pointed out to me

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<v Speaker 1>we do. We've got real allies who are going to

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<v Speaker 1>help us clear and keep the straight open. Once that's done,

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<v Speaker 1>They've played all their cards, haven't they. I think they have.

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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing is, we have friends who have

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<v Speaker 2>family in Tehran, and you know, on the ground so

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<v Speaker 2>to speak. No one's looking forward to getting slaughtered by

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<v Speaker 2>leading and uprising in downtown Tehran, but there's real hope

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<v Speaker 2>that the US operation will be successful, and that has

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<v Speaker 2>to eat away at the regime. I think the card

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<v Speaker 2>that the Iranians have is that the longer they can

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<v Speaker 2>delay the you know, petroleum products getting through the strait,

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<v Speaker 2>the more difficult it is for everyone all around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, to continue on with their normal economic activity.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's done, If this operation is successful in the

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<v Speaker 2>next two to four weeks, then you know it'll it'll

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<v Speaker 2>slowly but certainly go back to where we were before.

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<v Speaker 2>If it goes much longer than that, then it really

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<v Speaker 2>becomes problematic.

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<v Speaker 1>Last on this topic, John, I've told people I think

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<v Speaker 1>it will go to early June, because at that point

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<v Speaker 1>it's either frozen or it's over. And I also think

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<v Speaker 1>the Trump card is he has to win. He can't lose.

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<v Speaker 1>If he loses, it's the most important sequence of events

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<v Speaker 1>of his two presidencies, and it will mark him forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you agree with me on the stakes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's existential for both sides, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>for the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, this is it.

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<v Speaker 1>If they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if if they don't quote, well, if they

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<v Speaker 2>don't not lose, then they're dead. Then it's over. The

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<v Speaker 2>population will turn against them. It'll be curtains for them.

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<v Speaker 2>And for Trump. He's not going to die, obviously, but

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<v Speaker 2>he will politically, he'll be dead. So both sides, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>need to well, the Iranians need to not lose and

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<v Speaker 2>the Americans need to win. And well, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no other other way.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. I want to combine two of your topics, both

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<v Speaker 1>the AI backlash and the Big Energy conference in Houston

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<v Speaker 1>this week, because it seems to me to be that

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<v Speaker 1>in a graded we need AI. AI projects are increasingly

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<v Speaker 1>running into local nimbiism and that was, I guess to

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<v Speaker 1>be expected, but we really can't afford it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't you explain, Well, you know, AI needs electricity essentially,

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<v Speaker 2>and in order, we don't have enough on the grid.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have to build out capacity with dedicated natural

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<v Speaker 2>gas plants, with dedicated solar, with dedicated wind, and as

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<v Speaker 2>much of it as we possibly can to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>data Summer Data Centers Humming, twenty four to seven. There's

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<v Speaker 2>real concern amongst voters in America about big bad Ai

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<v Speaker 2>and the big bad companies behind them. My son in

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<v Speaker 2>law is working on a solar project in West Texas

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<v Speaker 2>and he thought, you know, they got all their approvals,

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to provide power to a data center there,

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<v Speaker 2>and he you know, everything was going smoothly, and then

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<v Speaker 2>it'll was all reversed. And at first he thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's because people in Texas don't really like solar power,

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<v Speaker 2>but actually that wasn't the reason at all. What they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't like were the data centers themselves. Uh so they

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<v Speaker 2>you know that that populous backlash I think is not

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<v Speaker 2>just about the noise and the water that's used to

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<v Speaker 2>make these data centers go. I think it's also a

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<v Speaker 2>concern that these big companies basically are rolling over everybody

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<v Speaker 2>and that they have no voice in in how this

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<v Speaker 2>is happening. And we're seeing this backlash everywhere. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you see it in West Texas and you know

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<v Speaker 2>you're you're you're looking at a genuine populist issue, arising.

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<v Speaker 1>Tea party sort of stuff. And I got to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I talked yesterday with Shiam Sankar volunteered got this new

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<v Speaker 1>book out, Mobilized, which I read in two days fabulous book.

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<v Speaker 1>We got to build a lot of ai DA data centers,

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<v Speaker 1>We got to build a lot of factories to produce

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<v Speaker 1>drones and anti We got to build a lot. So

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<v Speaker 1>people have to make the argument to Americans that we

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<v Speaker 1>need to build. Is anyone doing that? I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean Trump has been all in on AI and

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<v Speaker 2>data center, So that's a positive. You know, having the

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<v Speaker 2>president fully supportive is a good thing. But there's a

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<v Speaker 2>story in the Washington Post today that the US has

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<v Speaker 2>used up eight hundred and fifty Tomahawk cruise missiles and

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<v Speaker 2>we only make about three hundred a year. Are you

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<v Speaker 2>know you and I have talked about this before, that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have mind sweepers. We have these weapons that

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<v Speaker 2>don't work. We lack munitions where we need them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to build out much greater capacity for Tomahawk

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<v Speaker 2>cruise missiles. It's stunning to me, how you know, how

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<v Speaker 2>the war has revealed the deficiencies in our in our

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<v Speaker 2>defense manufacturing capabilities.

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<v Speaker 1>Sankar makes the argument, he persuaded me, it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>stockpile that's the issue, it's the production line behind it.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a big stockpile, but if you haven't got

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<v Speaker 1>a production line, You're screwed. The good news is people

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<v Speaker 1>like Palmer Lucky any names throughout this entire book, which

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<v Speaker 1>I recommend to everyone, called Mobilize. He names about a

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<v Speaker 1>half dozen, maybe even a dozen entrepreneurial companies that are

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<v Speaker 1>building the weapon system that Ukraine is using in that

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<v Speaker 1>we're using and we can mass produce. John ellis if

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<v Speaker 1>we choose to. But I don't like your son in

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<v Speaker 1>law's experience. We got to go to the break to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about gambling because we really to talk about gambling.

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<v Speaker 1>But are they overcoming are they going to overcome the

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<v Speaker 1>resistance in the Texas model? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean those you know, those permits and permissions that

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<v Speaker 2>were granted have been withdrawn. So my son in law

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<v Speaker 2>sort of stuck. They don't know what to do. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>their choices are to bring legal action, which you know

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<v Speaker 2>and out of state company bringing legal action against against

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<v Speaker 2>the local.

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<v Speaker 1>Advisory board or whatever it is. That's going to be difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>So I did that for thirty years. That was my

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<v Speaker 1>land News practice for thirty years. Never good to be

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<v Speaker 1>out of state against the locals. John Allison is going

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<v Speaker 1>to stay with me one more segment during the break,

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<v Speaker 1>which we'll put on the Big weekend Pod, Don't Go Anywhere, America.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm back with John Ellison. John, I wanted to talk

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<v Speaker 1>to you about the story on gambling and baseball. Last night,

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball Season Open Guardians won two home runs from Chase

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<v Speaker 1>to Lotter, only the seventh rookie to ever do that

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<v Speaker 1>in his first game in the Major League. But gambling

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<v Speaker 1>is hanging over baseball. Two Guardians are not playing this

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<v Speaker 1>year because they're going to go to jail, probably for gambling,

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<v Speaker 1>and gambling is ubiquitous everywhere. Do you think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>way to teach gen alpha and gen beta that this

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<v Speaker 1>is a crazy, addictive, life ruining habit. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I find the whole gambling thing and prediction markets to

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<v Speaker 2>be extraordinarily dangerous. You have a generation of kids that

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<v Speaker 2>are you know, have a view or many have the

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<v Speaker 2>view that their financial futures are by no means secure,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they have sort of turned to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>I'll win the lottery or I'll be able to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>bet correctly and therefore make more money to have a

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<v Speaker 2>better financial future, and that is.

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<v Speaker 1>Not going to work out.

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<v Speaker 2>And the amount of advertising that goes into urging people

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<v Speaker 2>to gamble. I mean I watch a fair amount of

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<v Speaker 2>local news and stuff it in sports events on TV,

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<v Speaker 2>and the amount of advertise, I would say that half

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<v Speaker 2>of the ads I see on you know, a Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>game or whatever have to do with betting. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>really discouraging and you know, the horses out of the

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<v Speaker 2>barn and I'm not sure we can get it back

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<v Speaker 2>into the barn. So it's going to take some real

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<v Speaker 2>leadership at the national level, end at the state level

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, encourage people to you know, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>cap them out that they're willing to bet or something.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's it really is a it's really troubling.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Yeah, the only answer is actually federal preemption

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<v Speaker 1>and coupled with maybe nil a lot, because it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to bankrupt a generation. They just don't realize it yet.

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<v Speaker 1>That Arch Schlater is a name every Buckeye football fan knows.

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<v Speaker 1>Great quarterback went to jail for gambling. Event. It's an addiction,

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<v Speaker 1>and it gets there's a bell curve and it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to get so many people and it's going to get more.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you wrote about it in the news items. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to subscribe to news items, just Google news

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<v Speaker 1>Items and John, you'll be smarter to anybody else by

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<v Speaker 1>John Allis follow him on exit Ellis Items. Thank you, John,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back. Welcome back, America. I'm to Hewett

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<v Speaker 1>Charles C. W. Cook as my guest senior writer, Senior

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<v Speaker 1>editor for National Review, podcaster Exurreinaire on The Editors and

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<v Speaker 1>his own podcast, The Charles C. W. Cook Podcast. Inexplicably

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<v Speaker 1>a Jacksonville Jaguars fan, Charles, I was in your neck

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<v Speaker 1>of the woods two weeks ago at Flagler College, guest

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<v Speaker 1>of John Delaney. Had a wonderful time at Amelia Island

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<v Speaker 1>and at Flagler. But have you ever been to the

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy Space Center.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I took the kids last year.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think of it?

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was fantastic. I loved it. I'm into

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<v Speaker 4>all that stuff though. It's one of the things I

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<v Speaker 4>loved about America when I was little.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I love it too, but I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>ineffectively educational. Other words, it was s Timu Disneyland and

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<v Speaker 1>not educational enough. Did you find out what you needed

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<v Speaker 1>to know? Did your kids.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I mean it depends what you mean. We had

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<v Speaker 4>a great time standing next to the huge rockets and

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<v Speaker 4>going inside this space shuttle and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppecially right.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe they could have been more reading, but we could

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<v Speaker 4>do that at home. It was seeing set in five

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<v Speaker 4>and a space shuttle and the original consoles they used

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<v Speaker 4>on the Apollo program.

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<v Speaker 3>That was the best part.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. I like the memorial too. We'll have to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this at greater length, Charles. I want to

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<v Speaker 1>start in an unusual way. I want to play for

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<v Speaker 1>you something that Marco Rubyo said on the tarmac in

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<v Speaker 1>Europe today about Cuba to a reporter and then break

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<v Speaker 1>out brought out into Iran and the war, the information war.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's what he had to say in response to question

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<v Speaker 1>about Cuba cut number ten regime change. But now there

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be a sense that perhaps President Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>Would be happy with the win, which would only entail

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<v Speaker 5>an economic deal.

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<v Speaker 1>You said, the sense where do you get that sense

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<v Speaker 1>from report? Well, there's a lot of reporting that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of faith any no, no, no, no, no. Any reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on Cuba that you didn't get from me or the

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<v Speaker 1>president is a liar because there're the only people working

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<v Speaker 1>on pine change. We're warning you, guys, all these sources

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<v Speaker 1>that are pitching you on Cuba, on Old Jack, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not in the mix. I promise you they don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what the hell happens. What's your reaction to that statement,

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<v Speaker 1>I think absolute clarity and truth.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think it's particularly appropriate given so much of

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<v Speaker 4>the coverage of the war in Iran, about which, as

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I have been ambivalent. But the coverage of

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<v Speaker 4>the Iran war is driven by a lot of wish casting.

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<v Speaker 4>There's a little bit of it on the pro war side,

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<v Speaker 4>but the press seems to be running its own show.

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<v Speaker 4>So I'm not surprised to hear Secretary of State Rubio

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<v Speaker 4>exasperated that the same thing's happening on Cuba.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you and I going to talk about Ironda, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in with the Hawks, with Noah and Eli Lake

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<v Speaker 1>and a few other people Eleana Johnson, John bad Or.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to win, win, win, win, and make sure

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<v Speaker 1>no one can say we do other than win. But

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<v Speaker 1>I also don't believe anything that anyone says, including the President,

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<v Speaker 1>because ironically enough, at the Terran conference in nineteen forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>Churchill said to Stalin, in wartime, truth is so precious

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<v Speaker 1>it must be guarded by a bodyguard of lies. Why

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<v Speaker 1>would we believe anyone about the war?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, sure, that's one reason, though I find it quite

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<v Speaker 4>difficult to evaluate. And I've said over and over I'm

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<v Speaker 4>someone agnostic because I just it's not that I'm a

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<v Speaker 4>foreign policy expert anyway, but I find it so hard

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<v Speaker 4>to know what's going on, to get past the agendas,

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<v Speaker 4>to get past those lies.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a long way away.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not affecting Americans, particularly with the exception of gas prices.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not likely in London in nineteen forty one. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's pretty difficult to tell.

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<v Speaker 1>So what have you been able to glean that you

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<v Speaker 1>think is reliable. I think we're kicking the living daylights

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<v Speaker 1>out of the Iranian military and the regime, and they

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<v Speaker 1>have one card, which is the Strait. And I also

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<v Speaker 1>think that's not a particularly difficult though it is a

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<v Speaker 1>dangerous mission, it's just not a difficult mission.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm not sure we agree on the last part.

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<v Speaker 4>We certainly agree on the first part. I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a one sided war. The United States has a remarkable military.

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<v Speaker 4>It's done remarkable things. They clearly don't have the ability

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<v Speaker 4>in Iran to fight back.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't really know what the state.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the regime, such as it is, is, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we're winning in that respect. I'm more worried about the

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<v Speaker 4>Strait than you are, purely because I.

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<v Speaker 3>Am not sure that there is enough.

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<v Speaker 4>Willingness from the public and perhaps even from the President,

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<v Speaker 4>to do what would be necessary to reopen it, especially

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<v Speaker 4>given gas prices higher and the mid times are a

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<v Speaker 4>few months away.

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<v Speaker 3>But I could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I base my optimism only on the informed speculation of

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<v Speaker 1>people like where Admiral Mark Montgomery's retired now, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>let a carrier strike force group, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>people like Aaron McLean and his guests at School of

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<v Speaker 1>War seem to believe. It's also not a particularly difficult

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<v Speaker 1>military objective, though it is dangerous to a small person.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not the Battle of the Atlantic, but it's not nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be right back with Charles c. W. Cook. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>go anywhere. I'm back now with Charles c. W. Cook. Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>another Marco Rubio quote for you, cut number six on

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<v Speaker 1>the Allies. Did they want to set up a tolling system?

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<v Speaker 1>In the strengths of Hormons. Not only is this illegal,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unacceptable, it's dangerous for the world, and it's important

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<v Speaker 1>that the world have a plan to confront it. The

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<v Speaker 1>United States is prepared to be a part of that plan.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have to leave that plan, but we were

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<v Speaker 1>happy to be a part of it. But these countries

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of state, not just to see seven countries,

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<v Speaker 1>but countries.

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<v Speaker 6>In Asia and all over the world have a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of state and should contribute greatly.

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<v Speaker 1>To that effort to ensure that need of the straits.

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<v Speaker 5>Of hormones or frankly, any international waterways should ever be something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's controlled or told by a nation state or.

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<v Speaker 7>By the terroristics of the government like the one that

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<v Speaker 7>exists in Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>Today and that clerical, radical clerical regime. Now I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to beat up on you because you used to

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<v Speaker 1>be British, Charles, but I am so disappointed in the

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 1>United Kingdom and in France Old Europe. Meanwhile, people like

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine are doing their part. The Poles are stepping up

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<v Speaker 1>to the extent that they can spare stuff. UAE is

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<v Speaker 1>in the fight. What do you make of Great Britain

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<v Speaker 1>and FRN Are they spent as forces in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and we talked about this last time. I think

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<v Speaker 4>they're absolutely spent. I think they're run by people who

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<v Speaker 4>don't think about foreign policy much, who are not interested

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<v Speaker 4>in projecting power, who have come to the conclusion that

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<v Speaker 4>the United States will protect them if push comes to shove,

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<v Speaker 4>but that everything else can fall by the wayside.

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<v Speaker 3>The French.

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<v Speaker 4>We'd love to make jokes about the French in the

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<v Speaker 4>US and especially in Britain, but the French do have

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<v Speaker 4>a very proud military history. The big low point, of course,

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<v Speaker 4>was that the first Hurdle in World War Two, But

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<v Speaker 4>before that they were a remarkable fighting force and they've

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<v Speaker 4>been a remarkable fighting force. More recently, they've just decided

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<v Speaker 4>for now not to play the game. So yeah, basically

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<v Speaker 4>they are spent.

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<v Speaker 1>We did talk about this three or four weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 1>What we didn't get to Can a nation change its

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<v Speaker 1>mind and reclaim? Can it come back?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure?

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<v Speaker 4>But it's very difficult, and it takes will and it

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<v Speaker 4>takes time. Even missus Thatcher didn't get everything she wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to done. That's not for lack of will on her part,

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<v Speaker 4>although maybe some around her like will. She had eleven years.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not enough. You have to commit to a part

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<v Speaker 4>to do that. So you would need to see a

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<v Speaker 4>substantial and long lasting change in Britain, France and other

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<v Speaker 4>nations before that happened. And I'm just not sure they've

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<v Speaker 4>got it in them absence some sort of international cataclysm

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<v Speaker 4>that pushes them into it, which I should be very clear,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, nobody does thirty seconds. In terms of anybody at

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<v Speaker 1>all in the British political firmament who has the capacity

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<v Speaker 1>to lead such a renewal, I don't think it's Nigel Farage.

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<v Speaker 1>But is there anyone?

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<v Speaker 3>No, well, no, I don't think there is.

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<v Speaker 4>But of course, as we know from American history, that

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't mean they don't exist. Nobody knew Abraham Lincoln would

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<v Speaker 4>be the man to do it, Nobody knew George Washington

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<v Speaker 4>would be the man to do it. Certainly nobody knew

0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 4>Churchill would be He was something of a laughing stock

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<v Speaker 4>in the nineteen thirties. So if there is the will,

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<v Speaker 4>if there's the demand, then often the supply catches up right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right back with Charles C. W. Cook standby Welcome Back America.

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<v Speaker 1>Charles C. W. Cook is my guest. He's senior editor

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<v Speaker 1>at National Review. Host they podcast that bears his name,

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<v Speaker 1>Charles C. W. Cook podcast, frequent contributor to the editors. Charles.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a long clip of President Trump on the

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<v Speaker 1>Five last night, but it is very emblematic of how

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>he communicates. He calls in to the highest rated show

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<v Speaker 1>on cable. His face isn't on, He's just shooting the

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<v Speaker 1>breeze with five hosts, cut number.

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<v Speaker 8>Fourteen, like the ultimate pol But I knew how well

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<v Speaker 8>we did the second time, but the third time we

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<v Speaker 8>made it too big to rig. So for those people

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<v Speaker 8>that say the level of popularity, CNN, your friends at CNN,

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<v Speaker 8>fake new CNN, one of the worst networks you'll ever say,

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:15.000
<v Speaker 8>one of the most dishonest, disgusting groups of people. But

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<v Speaker 8>what happened is they did a poll and the poll

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<v Speaker 8>came out yesterday, day before and is Trump losing MAGA support?

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<v Speaker 8>The poll was one hundred percent. And you know their polster,

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<v Speaker 8>he's got a lot of energy and he's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 8>He probably won't have a job very long. But he said, whoa, whoa.

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<v Speaker 8>It was one hundred percent of the people, the MAGA people,

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<v Speaker 8>and which is mostly I think MAGA is almost the

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<v Speaker 8>whole Republican Party. You want to know the truth, Almost

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<v Speaker 8>everybody endors wins. Almost every single person that I endorse wins.

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<v Speaker 8>And Kayley knows that better than anybody. She was witnessed

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<v Speaker 8>to it for a long time and she's doing a

0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 8>good job, by the way, but almost everybody. So they

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<v Speaker 8>did a poll, let's see it then two days ago,

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<v Speaker 8>and I think you probably saw it, maybe you put

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<v Speaker 8>it on, but it was one hundred percent support. So

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<v Speaker 8>it's wrong. We have people that are weak or stupid

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<v Speaker 8>or low IQ people that don't mind having a ran

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<v Speaker 8>have a nuclear weapon. The MAGA people are smart. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>that doesn't mean they want us over there. For like

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<v Speaker 8>Bush for for years, you know, just for years. I

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<v Speaker 8>always said, don't go into a rack, but if you do,

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<v Speaker 8>keep the oil. Well, we are a very powerful military

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<v Speaker 8>with the most powerful military nation in the world, and

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<v Speaker 8>we did a big number on them, and our people

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<v Speaker 8>like it because they don't want to see us one

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<v Speaker 8>hundred percent, think of it. One hundred percent in a

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<v Speaker 8>CNN poll. A CNN poll, which are the worst polls, almost.

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<v Speaker 1>As bad as Fox poles. I hate Fox bowls well,

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<v Speaker 1>so Charles A. What do you make of the method,

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<v Speaker 1>and B what do you make of the message?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think the method's good. I think it's refreshing

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<v Speaker 4>after Joe Biden. I have no issue with modern presidents

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<v Speaker 4>using modern techniques. The message bothers me in so far

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<v Speaker 4>as it's incomplete.

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<v Speaker 3>Trump's right.

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<v Speaker 4>He is in good standing with Republicans and in good

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<v Speaker 4>standing with self identified MAGA supporters.

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<v Speaker 3>That's important.

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<v Speaker 4>You want to keep your base on side, but he does,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think sometimes the right suffers from this issue.

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<v Speaker 4>Conflate the right or the Republican Party or MAGA with

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<v Speaker 4>the country and elections are one in the middle. He's

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<v Speaker 4>not doing particularly well with independence, He's not doing well

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<v Speaker 4>with Democrats, but he's never going to do well with Democrats.

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<v Speaker 4>We do have a two party system. So less important

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<v Speaker 4>than how he's doing with MAGA is how he's doing

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<v Speaker 4>with everyone else. And I think there's a tendency with

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:06.800
<v Speaker 4>Trump to ignore that. He effectively sees his supporters as

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<v Speaker 4>the only people he has to please, and I worry

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<v Speaker 4>about that, And you know you do not have disagreed

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<v Speaker 4>on this a little bit, but I worry about that

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<v Speaker 4>with Iran too. Okay, So one hundred percent of MAGA

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<v Speaker 4>supports this action. That's good. I'd rather that than the opposite.

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<v Speaker 4>But what does everyone else think? And how long is

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 4>he going to be able to keep this up if

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<v Speaker 4>the Poles keep looking like they do now.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we'll be able to judge the Iran

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<v Speaker 1>war until after it's over, and probably a good bit

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<v Speaker 1>of distance thereafter. But I do think it has the

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<v Speaker 1>potential to be a pivot point in history, that if

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<v Speaker 1>Iran were to go from the dark side to the

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<v Speaker 1>right side, even to sort of neutral Swedish kind of

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.480
<v Speaker 1>side though they're in NATO. Now let me come up

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:55.640
<v Speaker 1>with a better analogy, but just not be the agent

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<v Speaker 1>of evil that it's been for forty seven years. It

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<v Speaker 1>would represent such a great win for the world. Am

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<v Speaker 1>I right about how important this moment is? Because I

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<v Speaker 1>think we haven't had a moment like this since nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine about which we were aware when it was happening.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes you are.

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<v Speaker 4>I was saying on the editors this morning that I've

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<v Speaker 4>spoken to a lot of military veterans in the last month,

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<v Speaker 4>partly because of where I live in Jacksonville, it's near

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<v Speaker 4>a naval base, and partly because they come to events

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<v Speaker 4>I've spoken at. We get chatting, and pretty much every

0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 4>single one of them is elated by this because they

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<v Speaker 4>say that if they served in Afghanistan or Iraq, Iran

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<v Speaker 4>was instrumental in killing their friends.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of them have volunteered to go over.

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<v Speaker 4>Some of them are in the reserves and have volunteered

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<v Speaker 4>to go over, And you do get the impression talking

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<v Speaker 4>to them just how pernicious Iran has been in targeting Americans,

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<v Speaker 4>in providing weapons and support to those who would hurt us. So, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I think you are right. I just think that if

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<v Speaker 4>the politics and the virtue of this get too far

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<v Speaker 4>upa then we'll have a problem.

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<v Speaker 1>And then a final question. I spent yesterday talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Sham Sankar, who wrote this book which I recommend to

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<v Speaker 1>you and to everyone who's serious about defense, so called Mobilized.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the chief technology officer at Palenteer. And between what

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<v Speaker 1>we're seeing on the Ukraine Russian front and now Ukraine's

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<v Speaker 1>making long range strikes into rush against undefended LNG terminals

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<v Speaker 1>and the drone warfare and the you know, let's pick

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:34.440
<v Speaker 1>off this besiege. You standing on the corner in Kum

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:39.959
<v Speaker 1>and they're gone. War has changed completely and I don't

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 1>even know how to articulate it. Do you agree with

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<v Speaker 1>me about that?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>And I must say I'm very worried at the moment

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<v Speaker 4>because defense spending is about sixteen percent of the federal budget,

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<v Speaker 4>but the way the politicians talk that you would think

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<v Speaker 4>it was eighty And increasingly the argument against the wars

0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 4>it is to expect, which is not a good argument

0:37:01.480 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 4>against the war. And people say, oh, if we spend

0:37:04.280 --> 0:37:07.080
<v Speaker 4>the money on this or that instead, then we could

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.880
<v Speaker 4>do this or that. But we're actually spending most of

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<v Speaker 4>our resources on entitlements and on social spending and not

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<v Speaker 4>most of them on defense. And I worry that we've

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<v Speaker 4>got the balance wrong. I think you're right. I think

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 4>there is a huge change of foot I think there

0:37:24.960 --> 0:37:28.239
<v Speaker 4>are a lot of threats. I think we're underprepared. And

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<v Speaker 4>the fact that the rhetoric is going in the other direction,

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<v Speaker 4>that is that we're somehow wasting money or overspending on defense,

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<v Speaker 4>is alarming to me because I think we should.

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<v Speaker 3>Be spending more on defense and less on social spending.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think if you read mobilize, the turn has happened.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't have to spend as much per dollar of

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<v Speaker 1>defense bought that we have been spending because the new

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.439
<v Speaker 1>systems don't cost what the old systems cost, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>not burdened by technology costs if we're willing to shed

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<v Speaker 1>the old. Charles gw cot bom him on Exit, Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>you be joined by one of our favorite guests, Eli

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<v Speaker 1>Lake at The Free Press, host of the Breaking History podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And I asked Eli for extended time today because we

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<v Speaker 1>got to talk you about the Iran War. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have to start with the new episode of Breaking History

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<v Speaker 1>because it absorbed an hour and a half of my

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<v Speaker 1>time today because I kept replaying parts of it to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure I got it right. Eliot, it's a fabulous,

0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 1>fabulous addition. Though I'd never heard of Kayla until today,

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 1>and I only knew a little bit about the Red Brigade.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I wonder where you get your ideas from.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, this was Jay Solomon, who was a dear friend

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<v Speaker 7>and a colleague at the Free Press. I had known

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 7>he was working on this and its friends do. He'll

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 7>tell me about it. You'll never guess where she is now.

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:49.279
<v Speaker 7>She's in Lebanon. She's doing this. And I just said,

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<v Speaker 7>as soon as this comes out. I want to make

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<v Speaker 7>sure I get we do a breakdown of the story,

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<v Speaker 7>because it is a fascinating tale. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 7>it's I think she is an I mean this in

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<v Speaker 7>the sense of she's an outlier. I think she's an

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<v Speaker 7>extraordinary example of someone who would be willing to I

0:39:06.960 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 7>think she is now putting her life in danger to

0:39:09.600 --> 0:39:13.359
<v Speaker 7>follow her kind of radical belief that she is now

0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:16.120
<v Speaker 7>aligning with them.

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, she's resistance, but it's happened before. Is she in

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:23.080
<v Speaker 1>Iran now?

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.360
<v Speaker 7>Well, no, she's not in Iran. She's in Lebanon. But

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 7>she has traveled No, no, she traveled to Iran. So

0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 7>but she she's now based in Lebanon basically kind of

0:39:34.280 --> 0:39:38.440
<v Speaker 7>working for Iranian Press TV, which is their propaganda arm.

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:41.759
<v Speaker 7>And I saw a parallel to someone who we did

0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:44.320
<v Speaker 7>an episode last year on, which is Ulrikameinhoff of the

0:39:44.360 --> 0:39:46.439
<v Speaker 7>Bottom Mine Holf group of the Red Army faction in

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 7>West Germany, as somebody who comes from and you could

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:52.640
<v Speaker 7>also look at this as the weather underground in America,

0:39:52.640 --> 0:39:55.239
<v Speaker 7>which I've also looked into, and I've done work on

0:39:55.520 --> 0:39:58.520
<v Speaker 7>UH and breaking history as well. What is it when

0:39:58.560 --> 0:40:01.600
<v Speaker 7>you have somebody who is basically raised with all the

0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 7>advantages of the West, people who go to college, who

0:40:05.040 --> 0:40:07.960
<v Speaker 7>have all these opportunities in front of them, why did

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:11.800
<v Speaker 7>they then join the forces that are trying to destroy

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 7>our country? And that was a question that that when

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 7>you were a young aid to Richard Nixon, that was

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:22.440
<v Speaker 7>what America was kind of going through, because that was

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:24.800
<v Speaker 7>right after you saw the kind of weather underground in

0:40:24.840 --> 0:40:28.320
<v Speaker 7>the early seventies and some of these other offspring. Germany

0:40:28.400 --> 0:40:31.120
<v Speaker 7>is a fascinating example because Alrika Meinhoff was such a

0:40:31.160 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 7>successful celebrity journalist who then literally joined the terrorist group

0:40:35.719 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 7>that she was interviewing or the leader of. She helped

0:40:39.560 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 7>break him out of jail. Andre Spotter. So to me,

0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 7>I'm fascinated by this question, what are the conditions in somebody?

0:40:47.040 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 7>Why do they break rad what makes them.

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah breaking? One of the things that I occurred to

0:40:56.120 --> 0:40:58.960
<v Speaker 1>me was listening Greta Thunberg came to mind, and this

0:40:59.120 --> 0:41:05.680
<v Speaker 1>lethal comment nation of celebrity and youth and if whatever

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>you get your endorphins from, if you get your endorphins

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:14.680
<v Speaker 1>from being famous for being a political actor, because for

0:41:14.719 --> 0:41:16.800
<v Speaker 1>a variety of reasons, it can happen when you're young,

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:19.919
<v Speaker 1>you might be trapped. It might be worse than being

0:41:19.960 --> 0:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>a child actor. In many ways. It's like being a

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>child actor, eli, isn't it. Yeah. I think it's a

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:27.799
<v Speaker 1>great analogy. Yeah.

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.440
<v Speaker 7>If you think about people who become incredibly famous as children,

0:41:30.480 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 7>like Michael Jackson, they usually have very unhappy adulthoods. And

0:41:35.040 --> 0:41:38.919
<v Speaker 7>the reason for that is that they experience a kind

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:41.320
<v Speaker 7>of the rush of fame at such an early age.

0:41:41.920 --> 0:41:44.280
<v Speaker 7>How do you just sit with yourself, read a book,

0:41:44.680 --> 0:41:46.040
<v Speaker 7>you know, go to a cafe.

0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 1>It's very hard.

0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:50.279
<v Speaker 7>And I do have some sympathy and something like that

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:52.759
<v Speaker 7>did happen with Kala Walsh, which is that you know,

0:41:53.080 --> 0:41:55.439
<v Speaker 7>she was being featured in the New York Times as

0:41:55.480 --> 0:41:59.360
<v Speaker 7>this wonderkind activist when she, you know, as a fifteen

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:03.239
<v Speaker 7>year old, gets involved in Ed Markey's race for the

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:07.400
<v Speaker 7>Senate and I think, you know, through a series of

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:11.239
<v Speaker 7>decisions that she makes, she kind of gets more and

0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 7>more radical.

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Some of that.

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 7>As Jay I think really ablely reported that she was

0:42:15.400 --> 0:42:18.839
<v Speaker 7>also spotted at first by Cuban intelligence and then later

0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:21.640
<v Speaker 7>by the Iranians, and they be chilling them.

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>It's so chilling. And my message to parents and teachers

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 1>out there. Let them be speech tam nerds. There is

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:32.360
<v Speaker 1>a vent for them to let them do mock trial.

0:42:32.880 --> 0:42:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Let them get involved, but don't get on TV. And

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:39.160
<v Speaker 1>the TV producers think it's cool to cover the kids

0:42:39.160 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>who are going on strike, it's not. You're distorting their reality.

0:42:43.760 --> 0:42:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Let them be anonymous and as absolutely useless to the

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:54.160
<v Speaker 1>modern world as they are until they can vote and

0:42:54.239 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 1>actually participate. I don't care what they know. They're not

0:42:57.200 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>old enough to know anything, are they. I mean, even

0:42:59.640 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>if you're a great violinist, you just can't contribute anything

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.080
<v Speaker 1>to us. Well.

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 7>Yes, and I also thought about it. I'm a fairly

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:08.799
<v Speaker 7>new father. I have a four and a half year

0:43:08.800 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 7>old daughter. I can't imagine the anguish of the father

0:43:14.480 --> 0:43:17.720
<v Speaker 7>and what he must be going through because you're always

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 7>going to love your child. But what happens when your

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 7>child decides to basically align themselves and join the cause

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 7>of terrorists who want to destroy your country. That is

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:32.720
<v Speaker 7>a hard, hard fate and I would not wish to anyone.

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:35.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, let me turn to Iran because we had

0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:38.719
<v Speaker 1>a lot to cover. Yeah. First, the end of the

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>fourth week of the war is today. I think we

0:43:41.160 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 1>are living in a moment of history as significant as

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 1>the fall of the Berlin Wall. It's a pivot point

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.440
<v Speaker 1>where the possibility of changing the trajectory of the world

0:43:51.520 --> 0:43:53.560
<v Speaker 1>is in front of us, and we're watching it unfold.

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>And I don't see it being covered that way. First

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.719
<v Speaker 1>of my being melodramatic, and two do you see this

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.319
<v Speaker 1>weirdness in the coverage that I do?

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:09.239
<v Speaker 7>Well, Listen, I respect somebody who would say, I'm not

0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 7>sure how this is going to end. There's a lot

0:44:11.760 --> 0:44:15.080
<v Speaker 7>we can't know, and we don't know, but I'm not

0:44:15.120 --> 0:44:18.160
<v Speaker 7>optimistic for these reasons. Okay, fine, because history tells us

0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 7>there's never been successful regime change from the air or

0:44:21.200 --> 0:44:23.960
<v Speaker 7>something like that. What I have a problem with is

0:44:24.000 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 7>the tenor of the coverage, which is assuming or asserting

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 7>or smuggling in the conclusion that the war is already

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 7>a failure and how why Because the price of gasoline

0:44:38.440 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 7>has gone up because we have yet to resolve the

0:44:41.960 --> 0:44:45.839
<v Speaker 7>Strait of Hormuz. And when I see analysts, and I'll

0:44:45.920 --> 0:44:48.560
<v Speaker 7>name some like Valey Nasser, who you know is the

0:44:48.600 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 7>former president of SYS. I think he's still at SEYS.

0:44:51.040 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 7>Johns Hopkins, serious guy, very respected, kind of getting out

0:44:57.160 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 7>there and telling me that you know, now you've just

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:03.840
<v Speaker 7>made the Iranian regime more hardline and more determined to

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 7>get nuclear weapons.

0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 1>I want to bang my head against the wall. You

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:08.160
<v Speaker 1>have no.

0:45:08.160 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 7>Idea how much these pressures from the financial I mean,

0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.160
<v Speaker 7>are they going to pay the salaries of the besieg

0:45:15.360 --> 0:45:20.000
<v Speaker 7>and the IRGC officers, to the decapitation strikes, to the

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:24.120
<v Speaker 7>fact that I don't know about the command and control

0:45:24.160 --> 0:45:27.200
<v Speaker 7>obviously there is some And then I think in some

0:45:27.280 --> 0:45:29.600
<v Speaker 7>ways I was talking to you know, Dwayne, you know

0:45:29.680 --> 0:45:31.879
<v Speaker 7>before we got on, and he had a great point.

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.360
<v Speaker 7>I want to credit him with this by extending these negotiations.

0:45:35.600 --> 0:45:38.720
<v Speaker 7>What a mind game Trump is playing on the regime.

0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:41.640
<v Speaker 7>Now you've got all the long knives out looking at it.

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 7>Who's the collaborator, who's selling us out? Because I think

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:47.040
<v Speaker 7>there is a lot of confusion. So I just think

0:45:47.080 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 7>all of these assumptions that it was a blunder, that

0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:53.520
<v Speaker 7>we're going to be stuck with an even more radical regime,

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:58.160
<v Speaker 7>there's no reason to think that at this point, I personally.

0:45:57.680 --> 0:46:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Am make a diversion. But last week and this week

0:46:03.840 --> 0:46:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Sunday and Monday, I listened to Vali Nasser's Iran Grand

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:11.960
<v Speaker 1>strategy of political history, and I recommended it to people

0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:16.680
<v Speaker 1>because while I did detect a certain softness towards part

0:46:17.440 --> 0:46:21.319
<v Speaker 1>of the terrible atrocities Iran committed, especially in the eighty

0:46:21.320 --> 0:46:25.239
<v Speaker 1>to eighty eight war, that it was objected. I thought

0:46:25.280 --> 0:46:28.839
<v Speaker 1>it was objected about the history. So he's gone off

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the deep end because I want to withdraw my recommendation

0:46:32.960 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of Iran is very good. I want to say.

0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:39.279
<v Speaker 7>The reason I bring him up because he has done

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:44.120
<v Speaker 7>important scholarship. His response now as a commentator on the war,

0:46:45.040 --> 0:46:47.040
<v Speaker 7>what I think he makes this error, which is that

0:46:47.080 --> 0:46:50.040
<v Speaker 7>he is assuming everything he knows about the nature of

0:46:50.080 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 7>Iran's regime would apply without factoring in unprecedented levels, as

0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.640
<v Speaker 7>I said, the decapitation and everything else. My problem is

0:47:00.680 --> 0:47:04.640
<v Speaker 7>that his analysis is if they would behave the same

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 7>way they always have, even though they've never faced a

0:47:08.280 --> 0:47:11.880
<v Speaker 7>challenge like this before. And my challenge to it is,

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.960
<v Speaker 7>how are you going to I mean, I'm sure I

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:18.680
<v Speaker 7>agree that I understand the nature of what Haviv Redik

0:47:18.680 --> 0:47:21.759
<v Speaker 7>Gore talks about the muk Ohama ideology, that you know,

0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.120
<v Speaker 7>it's important that we will face death willingly and all

0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 7>of this. That's true for some but most times in history.

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 7>As you know, most people are not martyrs. They don't

0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:35.480
<v Speaker 7>seek martyrdom. The reason they don't seek martyrdom is because

0:47:35.480 --> 0:47:37.239
<v Speaker 7>most human beings want to live and spend time with

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:37.960
<v Speaker 7>their families.

0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:38.799
<v Speaker 1>So at a.

0:47:38.680 --> 0:47:41.799
<v Speaker 7>Certain point, I'm just saying I would like to know

0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:45.560
<v Speaker 7>how the regime is. I'm sure there is fracturing, and

0:47:45.640 --> 0:47:48.440
<v Speaker 7>I'm sure that we can't really see it because that's happening,

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:51.799
<v Speaker 7>you know, around the dinner table in private homes at

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.040
<v Speaker 7>this point. But it's got to be intense, That's what

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:54.399
<v Speaker 7>I'm saying.

0:47:54.760 --> 0:47:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm a civilian, civilian that I do also know the

0:47:58.960 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 1>military rule that when thirty percent of any particular military

0:48:05.000 --> 0:48:09.720
<v Speaker 1>organization has been rendered inoperable either killed or wounded, that

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:14.200
<v Speaker 1>that formation loses its effectiveness thirty percent. Can't you cannot

0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:18.000
<v Speaker 1>lose thirty I think they've lost more than thirty percent

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.879
<v Speaker 1>of the IRGC. We'll come back and talk about that

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:23.640
<v Speaker 1>during the break and after the break with Eli Lake.

0:48:23.680 --> 0:48:26.680
<v Speaker 1>Follow him at the Free Press, follow Breaking History, and

0:48:26.800 --> 0:48:29.520
<v Speaker 1>follow him on Exit. Eli Lake. Stay tuned. I'm back

0:48:29.560 --> 0:48:31.760
<v Speaker 1>with Eli Lake. Eli. When we come back from break

0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>on the network, I'm going to ask you where do

0:48:34.040 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 1>you get your information from because too many people are

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 1>getting lowsy information from too many sources. But if I

0:48:40.600 --> 0:48:43.640
<v Speaker 1>have a chance on Special Report tonight, I'm going to

0:48:43.719 --> 0:48:48.040
<v Speaker 1>quote Churchill ironically in Tehran in nineteen forty three talking

0:48:48.080 --> 0:48:52.040
<v Speaker 1>on his birthday to Joseph Stalin, when he said, very famously,

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:57.480
<v Speaker 1>in war, truth is so important, so precious, that it

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:00.239
<v Speaker 1>must be protected by a bodyguard of lies. S So

0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>I assume everybody's lying when they talk about the war,

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.160
<v Speaker 1>unless it's sentcomm telling us something we've blown up. Do

0:49:06.239 --> 0:49:10.439
<v Speaker 1>you bring the same filter to everything you hear? Yeah?

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 1>I love the bodyguard lies.

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.320
<v Speaker 7>I also like the fog of war is an important

0:49:14.719 --> 0:49:16.560
<v Speaker 7>because sometimes you think you know something you don't.

0:49:18.000 --> 0:49:19.760
<v Speaker 1>It's a great it's a great point.

0:49:21.640 --> 0:49:24.960
<v Speaker 7>Again, there's so much that we can't know about the

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:28.480
<v Speaker 7>internal dynamics of like the kind of unit cohesion or

0:49:28.520 --> 0:49:33.399
<v Speaker 7>battalion cohesion. Uh in the repressive instruments of the state,

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:38.360
<v Speaker 7>the institutions like the IRGC, like the BESIEG, like the MOIS,

0:49:38.440 --> 0:49:41.000
<v Speaker 7>their intelligence service. And then what we do get is

0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:43.960
<v Speaker 7>we get this leader has been knocked out. You know,

0:49:44.000 --> 0:49:47.640
<v Speaker 7>the Israelis are pretty good. It's when they confirm the kill.

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 7>So I mean again, you know, sometimes Trump, who you know,

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:57.000
<v Speaker 7>it can sometimes, I think his critics say, always all

0:49:57.040 --> 0:50:00.719
<v Speaker 7>over the place, but he can blurt out truths, you know,

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:04.440
<v Speaker 7>in his in his you know, unique kind of style

0:50:04.520 --> 0:50:06.880
<v Speaker 7>where he at one point, I think he said it

0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:09.359
<v Speaker 7>on Fox and Friends last night. What did he say

0:50:09.400 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 7>or not Fox and Friends? It was the five where

0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:14.279
<v Speaker 7>he said, not a lot of people want to be

0:50:14.320 --> 0:50:14.960
<v Speaker 7>the next leader.

0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.360
<v Speaker 1>So that tells me two things. One is maybe.

0:50:18.160 --> 0:50:21.920
<v Speaker 7>Most of a most of a common ae is dead

0:50:22.200 --> 0:50:26.040
<v Speaker 7>or is just he also said he was gay and

0:50:26.200 --> 0:50:30.440
<v Speaker 7>a como or inpacitated. We haven't seen him right, he

0:50:30.480 --> 0:50:33.600
<v Speaker 7>was saying he was gay, right, Okay, that you know, okay,

0:50:33.600 --> 0:50:36.840
<v Speaker 7>But my point is is that well is he is

0:50:36.880 --> 0:50:39.920
<v Speaker 7>he telling us something there that there is a leadership

0:50:40.000 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 7>vacuum and nobody wants the job. That's pretty important information, right.

0:50:43.880 --> 0:50:45.920
<v Speaker 7>I mean, now, I'm not saying that Trump is the

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.120
<v Speaker 7>most reliable narrator and everything, as I think you're right

0:50:48.120 --> 0:50:50.400
<v Speaker 7>about the bodyguard of lies. But I also think that

0:50:50.440 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 7>he has a propensity because he is unfiltered so much

0:50:53.080 --> 0:50:56.320
<v Speaker 7>of the time, to blurt out truths that other people

0:50:56.320 --> 0:50:57.959
<v Speaker 7>won't say. In fact, I think it's a key part

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 7>of his appeal. That's not my of course, only sources

0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 7>of information, but I'm just saying that that's an important factor,

0:51:04.520 --> 0:51:06.040
<v Speaker 7>you know. But when you ask me the question again,

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 7>I have other other sources that I think are or.

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Bring it back after visuals. But he My favorite President

0:51:11.960 --> 0:51:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Trump's story is when he talks about the discombobulator. He

0:51:15.600 --> 0:51:18.319
<v Speaker 1>so badly wants to tell us what it is, but

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:20.160
<v Speaker 1>he knows they they got to.

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 6>He comes right up to the edge again and again

0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:25.800
<v Speaker 6>to tell us what the disc combined.

0:51:25.840 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 1>He named it, by the way, he did.

0:51:28.640 --> 0:51:30.879
<v Speaker 6>You see in the cabinet meeting yesterday they said they're

0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:32.839
<v Speaker 6>going to put his statue up to him in Venezuela,

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:35.319
<v Speaker 6>And with perfect timing, he said, I care more about

0:51:35.360 --> 0:51:38.719
<v Speaker 6>the statue. And you know, it was self effacing, but

0:51:38.800 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 6>it was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>It was genuinely fun Yes, yes, I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>generally funny.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean on Venezuela. The one thing I'll say, oh

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<v Speaker 7>go ahead, we got a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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<v Speaker 7>What I'm gonna say is that I really hope that

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<v Speaker 7>there is some planning now that we've got some distance

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<v Speaker 7>to finally get to what a transition and an election.

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<v Speaker 1>I under stand the logic.

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<v Speaker 7>I understand the strategy of not wanting to go straight

0:52:04.600 --> 0:52:08.719
<v Speaker 7>to a Maria Machado or something like that. But at

0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:10.320
<v Speaker 7>a certain point there has to be an election so

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<v Speaker 7>we can have a legitimate government.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, pause, right there. I think you're right. I

0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:15.960
<v Speaker 1>think Rubio's got that under control. We'll be right back

0:52:16.000 --> 0:52:23.400
<v Speaker 1>with Eli Lake. Teach get you. Welcome back in America.

0:52:23.520 --> 0:52:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm Hugh Hewett. I'm playing radical music from the seventies

0:52:27.920 --> 0:52:31.319
<v Speaker 1>because of the latest Breaking History edition by Eli Lake,

0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:36.480
<v Speaker 1>which is about when kids go breaking rad is what

0:52:36.520 --> 0:52:40.120
<v Speaker 1>it's called, and I would recommend you listen to Breaking History.

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to talk with Eli about Iran, primarily

0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.320
<v Speaker 1>in the fog of war when truth must be protected

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:50.680
<v Speaker 1>by a bodyguard or lies. You are a national security

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.799
<v Speaker 1>reporter for as long as I've known you. He would

0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:55.960
<v Speaker 1>you tell people how long you've been doing it? And

0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:58.840
<v Speaker 1>then b how are you reporting this war? What do

0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you rely on? Okay?

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<v Speaker 7>So I have been writing about national security since two

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:08.040
<v Speaker 7>thousand and one, when I was hired as a young

0:53:08.120 --> 0:53:11.400
<v Speaker 7>man for by the old old Wire Service called UPI

0:53:11.840 --> 0:53:15.880
<v Speaker 7>to cover the State Department, and that was a wonderful education,

0:53:17.480 --> 0:53:19.920
<v Speaker 7>you know, beginning and then and then you know it's

0:53:19.960 --> 0:53:22.800
<v Speaker 7>I sort of from there. I covered the two thousand

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:24.840
<v Speaker 7>and three Iraq War. I went to a rock several times,

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 7>covered Afghanistan war.

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<v Speaker 1>So I've been doing it two thousand and one. That

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<v Speaker 1>would be.

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<v Speaker 7>Let me that, okay, So two thousand and one, two

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<v Speaker 7>thousand and twenty five year, Yah, it's a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So you when you made that choice, how would

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:44.680
<v Speaker 1>you prepared to do that? Where did you go to

0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:47.359
<v Speaker 1>school and what did you study? Oh?

0:53:47.440 --> 0:53:50.200
<v Speaker 7>Thank you for I went to I went to a

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:52.759
<v Speaker 7>Hebrew day school called a Kiba Hebrew Academy in Philadelphia,

0:53:52.760 --> 0:53:54.400
<v Speaker 7>where I grew up. And then I went to a

0:53:54.400 --> 0:53:58.560
<v Speaker 7>liberal arts college called Trinity College, which an excellent school.

0:53:58.600 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 7>Recommend it, and I knew that I wanted to write.

0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:06.319
<v Speaker 7>I wrote a lot in college, you know, for our

0:54:06.320 --> 0:54:10.319
<v Speaker 7>college newspaper, and I got a job after doing some

0:54:11.160 --> 0:54:13.360
<v Speaker 7>political work. Back then, I was far more left. I

0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:16.160
<v Speaker 7>worked with the Democratic Party briefly in the cycle of

0:54:16.239 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 7>nineteen ninety four when I graduated, doing opposition research and

0:54:20.520 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 7>other things. And then, as you remember, they lost very

0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:27.120
<v Speaker 7>badly that year, and I didn't have any killary Care,

0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:28.760
<v Speaker 7>Hillary Care.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, all of that.

0:54:29.880 --> 0:54:35.000
<v Speaker 7>And I then got hired with a newsletter company called

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<v Speaker 7>Inside Washington Publishers, which has launched a number of careers

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:43.040
<v Speaker 7>in among Washington journalists. Jim vanda High worked there, John

0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:44.320
<v Speaker 7>Bresnahan worked there.

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<v Speaker 1>I can name more.

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<v Speaker 7>It was a wonderful experience, and that was a job

0:54:52.120 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 7>where they took you with no journalism experience. If you

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:58.919
<v Speaker 7>knew how to write and you were ambitious, they gave

0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:01.320
<v Speaker 7>you a very low salary, but they also gave you

0:55:01.320 --> 0:55:03.719
<v Speaker 7>an expense account. And my job was to cover the

0:55:03.760 --> 0:55:08.280
<v Speaker 7>Office of Water at the EPA. So you can imagine

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:12.360
<v Speaker 7>the jokes right themselves, Eli Lako were covering the Office

0:55:12.360 --> 0:55:17.920
<v Speaker 7>of Water. But it was a great experience because, as

0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.040
<v Speaker 7>you know, and I would I recommend it, it's a

0:55:21.040 --> 0:55:23.800
<v Speaker 7>great experience in Washington journalist because I had to actually

0:55:23.920 --> 0:55:28.799
<v Speaker 7>cover the EPA the rulemaking process, but also Congress. I

0:55:28.840 --> 0:55:31.520
<v Speaker 7>had to get to know lobbyists and really learn how

0:55:31.880 --> 0:55:35.680
<v Speaker 7>policy was made. And it was it's hard work, but

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<v Speaker 7>you know you.

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<v Speaker 1>For thirty plus years I was a land use lawyer

0:55:40.280 --> 0:55:42.600
<v Speaker 1>while also being a broadcast journalist. And what I did

0:55:42.600 --> 0:55:45.040
<v Speaker 1>in land use lawyer was dealing with the Army Corps

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:48.200
<v Speaker 1>of Engineers, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, and the

0:55:48.280 --> 0:55:50.759
<v Speaker 1>EPA whenever they would want to elevate a four or

0:55:50.840 --> 0:55:54.560
<v Speaker 1>four permit, and that meant the division of water. And

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<v Speaker 1>so you were cast into regulatory hell. But you'll learn it.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll learn it well.

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<v Speaker 7>And I'll say, I think my experience there were two

0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:09.840
<v Speaker 7>things that kind of made me kind of intellectually go

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 7>towards the right. It was reading a book called Free

0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 7>to Choose by Milton Friedman and Rose Roodman, which was

0:56:16.560 --> 0:56:19.840
<v Speaker 7>really influential for me, I have to say. And the

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<v Speaker 7>second thing was covering the EPA, because what ended up

0:56:24.160 --> 0:56:27.200
<v Speaker 7>happening was I went into it having been a left

0:56:27.200 --> 0:56:32.040
<v Speaker 7>wing college student thinking that the bad guys were the industry.

0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:35.719
<v Speaker 7>And what I found out was that one a lot

0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:39.120
<v Speaker 7>of times there would be mandated technologies that didn't work,

0:56:39.239 --> 0:56:41.799
<v Speaker 7>and it was the industry people who had to just

0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:44.600
<v Speaker 7>pay for it even though it didn't work, and then

0:56:44.640 --> 0:56:46.480
<v Speaker 7>they would know that there would be another one. I

0:56:46.480 --> 0:56:48.680
<v Speaker 7>thought that was kind of deeply unjust. But the other

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:52.040
<v Speaker 7>thing was is that you realize that it's not this

0:56:52.360 --> 0:56:56.040
<v Speaker 7>clear division, Hugh as I'm sure you know that, oh,

0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:58.200
<v Speaker 7>industry is always the bad guys, and they don't like

0:56:58.280 --> 0:57:02.320
<v Speaker 7>environmental protections. A lot of them love the regulations because

0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 7>it keeps their competitors out of it. And so once

0:57:05.600 --> 0:57:07.400
<v Speaker 7>you sort of once I was you know, once you

0:57:07.440 --> 0:57:10.879
<v Speaker 7>have some Milton Friedman and the sort of first hand

0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:14.800
<v Speaker 7>experience of dealing with the inefficiencyeds of the regulatory state.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is a road to making you a conservative.

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<v Speaker 1>The regulatory community wants clarity and decisions. They don't want

0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:27.400
<v Speaker 1>ambiguity and delay. It is that simple. I don't know

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.439
<v Speaker 1>if you've had a chance to read the new book yet,

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Mobile Eye ELI by Sean Shankar, who's the chief technology

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:39.480
<v Speaker 1>officer at Palent. It's on the future of warfare and

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:42.680
<v Speaker 1>how we prepare for it. I talked to him today

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<v Speaker 1>for thirty minutes, and I'll tell you regulators will kill us.

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:48.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they'll get us killed in the next war

0:57:48.800 --> 0:57:50.600
<v Speaker 1>if we don't get them out of the way. Because

0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:52.480
<v Speaker 1>we got to develop a lot of new stuff in

0:57:52.520 --> 0:57:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a hurry, and we can, but we need the regulators

0:57:55.560 --> 0:57:57.200
<v Speaker 1>to get out of the way on land use and

0:57:57.240 --> 0:57:59.320
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that. Back to it, if he get into

0:57:59.320 --> 0:58:03.680
<v Speaker 1>the supply chain is absolutely one of the takeaways is

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:07.720
<v Speaker 1>the stockpile is not the problem. The production line is

0:58:07.760 --> 0:58:11.520
<v Speaker 1>the problem. So you can have no stockpile if you've

0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:14.560
<v Speaker 1>got a production line. And I gave my hypothetical, if

0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.360
<v Speaker 1>we need a long range drone that can be fired

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<v Speaker 1>from anywhere in the United States, from Alaska to Texas

0:58:19.560 --> 0:58:23.320
<v Speaker 1>to Florida to Maine, carrying a decent heavy payload that

0:58:23.360 --> 0:58:25.680
<v Speaker 1>can go around the world, how long will it take

0:58:25.760 --> 0:58:27.400
<v Speaker 1>us to make that and where can we make it?

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I don't know the answer, but it's very doable.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's what we need. And I also found from

0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:37.040
<v Speaker 1>him Ukraine is now producing. Are you sitting down a

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:44.960
<v Speaker 1>million drones a month? A million drones a month? Wow? Wow? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And their main ally they're helping us. Only the UAE

0:58:49.720 --> 0:58:53.080
<v Speaker 1>and Ukraine have actually raised their hands and say we're

0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 1>in this fight. I hear Saudi Arabia is back. There

0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:59.120
<v Speaker 1>anyone else actually in the fight besides his real New

0:58:59.200 --> 0:59:01.880
<v Speaker 1>York obviously. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, the the Israel part of this is just amazing.

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<v Speaker 7>We've discussed it a few times on the show. I

0:59:09.120 --> 0:59:11.320
<v Speaker 7>just have to say, I mean, I think they emerge

0:59:11.560 --> 0:59:14.600
<v Speaker 7>if the war goes as we think it will, I

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:17.800
<v Speaker 7>think Israel emerges as a kind of regional hedgemon at

0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 7>that point.

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<v Speaker 1>Enough of edgemon that Turkey is afraid of them.

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<v Speaker 7>I think Turkey is already I mean, has to respect them.

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<v Speaker 7>But I think when i'm when I'm when I what

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, what I mean by regional hegemon is that

0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:33.480
<v Speaker 7>Israel will be capable of performing a lot of the

0:59:33.560 --> 0:59:35.680
<v Speaker 7>role that America does now in the region, which is

0:59:35.960 --> 0:59:38.760
<v Speaker 7>to sort of be the guaranteur of the stability and

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:43.040
<v Speaker 7>this freedom of navigation. I think Israel has demonstrated that capability,

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<v Speaker 7>not immediately, but if you talk about this idea that's

0:59:46.320 --> 0:59:49.600
<v Speaker 7>been in our conversation now for a quarter century, America

0:59:49.640 --> 0:59:52.440
<v Speaker 7>has to pivot to Asia to kind of meet the

0:59:52.480 --> 0:59:54.520
<v Speaker 7>moment against the Chinese communists.

0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 1>This might be our ticket to doing that. Now. Do

0:59:58.680 --> 1:00:01.600
<v Speaker 1>you think you're getting rid of that issue? Is only

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<v Speaker 1>ten million people? I think sometimes nine million work for

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<v Speaker 1>the masade, but it's not the case. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>they have Turkey as penetrated as they do Ron.

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<v Speaker 7>That's a great question, and I don't want to answer

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<v Speaker 7>it just yet, but I would say this, if it's

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<v Speaker 7>not the case now, it will be the case within

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<v Speaker 7>a few years.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'm coming back with Eli Lake for one

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<v Speaker 1>more segment after the break. I'll talk to him during

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<v Speaker 1>the break as well. Don't forget Breaking History has been

1:00:29.600 --> 1:00:33.840
<v Speaker 1>his brand new episode. His dropped on breaking rad when

1:00:33.960 --> 1:00:38.000
<v Speaker 1>kids become political radicals, and boy, there's a bad case

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Do not miss it. It's over at the

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<v Speaker 1>Free Press website. You can also get wherever podcasts are available.

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<v Speaker 1>Eli's coming right back one more segment on the air,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll talk to him during the break as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned when I come back, Eli Lake, I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask you on the network where you get

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<v Speaker 1>your information from that you rely on. Okay, But now

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<v Speaker 1>I want to get your prediction. Guy Benson and I

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about when the war will wrap up, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was a little bit stunned when I said, by June,

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<v Speaker 1>I put no stock in estimates from anyone, even Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>because nobody knows because the enemy gets are saying this too.

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<v Speaker 1>But by June, the massive firepower that has been accumulated

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<v Speaker 1>by then will have crushed everything there is to crush,

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<v Speaker 1>and the straits will be open. What is your prediction, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I would look at it like this.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that there will be a phase of combat

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<v Speaker 7>operations that will come to a close, and it may

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<v Speaker 7>be as long as June, it may be sooner, maybe

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<v Speaker 7>a little later, and I don't necessarily know, but that's

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<v Speaker 7>one way let's look at that. That's the big American

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<v Speaker 7>join Israeli flying sorties all that. Then there's another phase

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<v Speaker 7>which I think we have to keep in mind. Israel

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<v Speaker 7>has Iran wired that Mosad appear to be everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>There are a number of relationships that Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>Has made over the years with various ethnic factions within

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<v Speaker 7>Iran and other opposition groups.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, and I think that then there will be

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<v Speaker 1>a real.

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<v Speaker 7>Push once the bombs stopped dropping, which is what Trump

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<v Speaker 7>and Nana who have said all along, to then foment

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<v Speaker 7>or rekindle the energy that we saw at the.

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<v Speaker 1>Beginning of the year.

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<v Speaker 7>And that I think is really interesting because Israel's demonstrated

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<v Speaker 7>that they already control drones that are armed that can

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<v Speaker 7>take out besides a tech checkpoints in Tehran. They've shown

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<v Speaker 7>that they've shown that capability.

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<v Speaker 1>So then you have.

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<v Speaker 7>This prospect that I think we talked about before of

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<v Speaker 7>a velvet revolution of sorts in Iran, but with close

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<v Speaker 7>air support from Israel, and I would love to see it,

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<v Speaker 7>and I think that that image will be the real

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<v Speaker 7>end of the war. That might not be for six months,

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<v Speaker 7>it might not be for a year. I think that's

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<v Speaker 7>a little long, but that's how I look at it.

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<v Speaker 7>The real end of the war is when the Iranian

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<v Speaker 7>people finally take their country back, and of course the

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<v Speaker 7>Islamic Revolution of seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about kinetic action major. I don't think Trump

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<v Speaker 1>will leave anything left that can be bombed or shun coom.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll say to him, finally, sure, we're bouncing rubble now

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<v Speaker 1>and we can't waste the munitions we need him in

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific. When do you think that point comes?

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<v Speaker 7>It's hard to say, because I think you have to

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<v Speaker 7>look at two things. One is the straight up permus

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<v Speaker 7>that's got to be You got to have a situation

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<v Speaker 7>where the Iranians can no longer threaten to close it

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<v Speaker 7>or threaten the vessels that go through. So he's got

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<v Speaker 7>to solve that problem before he can end the war.

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<v Speaker 7>And the second thing is is the you know the

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<v Speaker 7>four or five hundred I forget the exact number kilograms

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<v Speaker 7>of enriched uranium that are at the bottom of these,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, underground facilities and Naton's Fourdeaux and Isfahan. He's

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<v Speaker 7>got to make sure he we got to get that.

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<v Speaker 7>I think he wants that. I think that's that. Those

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<v Speaker 7>are the two things I wanted I would see to

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<v Speaker 7>look as at the end of the kinetic operations.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I'll be right back with Eli. Like Shay tuned.

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<v Speaker 8>Kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't matter what you did off, don't tiptoes, don't time,

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<v Speaker 3>no both then stay within the.

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<v Speaker 1>Tear around about Pepa queen news. Bought of clean clothes

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to wear. A man of Welcome Back

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<v Speaker 1>America subtraining Homesick Blues by Bob Dylan. Noticed the weathermen

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<v Speaker 1>in that that's the originals. Yeah, I had a letter.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a letter from Tom Ayden that ends with

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<v Speaker 1>don't you don't need a weatherman to know which way

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<v Speaker 1>the wind blows? Tom? Because he was mayor. He ran

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<v Speaker 1>from mayor in LA. When I was doing the nightly

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<v Speaker 1>news there Eli, we got five minutes. I listened to

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron McClain yesterday with a couple of great guests, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Richard Goldberg and another great guy and informed speculation is smart.

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<v Speaker 1>So I like listening to school war. Who do you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to? What do you read to get information on

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<v Speaker 1>the Iran war?

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<v Speaker 7>I was, I got a I got a list. The

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<v Speaker 7>first of all Iran International. Iran International has I think

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<v Speaker 7>real coverage, not just of Iran's internal opposition, but they

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<v Speaker 7>do have a way of getting the information out of

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<v Speaker 7>the country, even when there's an Internet blackout. It's always

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<v Speaker 7>worth reading them, and so that's at the top of

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<v Speaker 7>my list. Iran International Commander. They had a great interview, terrific. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 7>I love that. And A Meet Sagal Nadava Yel you

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<v Speaker 7>know them, probably from Dan Senor's great Call Me Back.

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<v Speaker 7>We are now publishing at the Free Press. A Meet

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<v Speaker 7>Sagal's daily newsletter. I highly recommend it. He gets very

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<v Speaker 7>good stuff. He's very reliable, and so I like a

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<v Speaker 7>Meet Sagala. I like anything in David A y'all does now.

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<v Speaker 7>I still think you have to read the Journal, the Times,

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<v Speaker 7>You have to read the big American newspapers even if

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<v Speaker 7>you even though I think they have done you know,

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<v Speaker 7>they've put a bit of spin on the ball. At

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<v Speaker 7>the same time, I think that they have the ability

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<v Speaker 7>and they have the resources to get to kind of

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<v Speaker 7>pull out important scoops.

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<v Speaker 1>It's important to know that. And then you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>got to say I have started to really monitor. I

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<v Speaker 1>have a list. I'm not going to give you the

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<v Speaker 1>names right now.

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<v Speaker 7>I can maybe private vite lator, but there's a lot

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<v Speaker 7>you can get on x from Iranians who are not

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<v Speaker 7>in Iran but are in constant contact. That's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 7>for like news, it's social media, but it can give

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<v Speaker 7>you a sense of kind of where the mood is

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<v Speaker 7>and where people are. And this is very important because

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<v Speaker 7>you know, you'll there are stories that suggest that I

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<v Speaker 7>think Iranians are very fearful, but if that's all you

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<v Speaker 7>get that, if they're very fearful at this point, you're

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<v Speaker 7>not getting the whole story. What they're afraid of is

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<v Speaker 7>that the war ends and then the whatever's left of

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<v Speaker 7>the regime takes it out on the Iranian people. So

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<v Speaker 7>that to me is a message to keep going and

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<v Speaker 7>make sure that we understand that the war isn't done

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<v Speaker 7>until we have a new regime.

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<v Speaker 8>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>In the day of the war began, the free press

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<v Speaker 1>recognized the demand signal, the bat signal, and they got

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<v Speaker 1>Neil fergus They got you, Ferguson, they got you, They

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<v Speaker 1>got everybody Aviv was on. Did they realize the demand

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<v Speaker 1>signal is still up? I think if you ran that

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<v Speaker 1>weekend gathering every weekend, you would own the interwebs. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the demand signal for serious informed speculation. Informed speculation is

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. If Aaron McClain was on CBS

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<v Speaker 1>for an hour, I'd watch it. Do the news media

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<v Speaker 1>understand that serious people really want to know what's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>We understand this moment in history.

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<v Speaker 7>We definitely do with the free press. Just to give

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<v Speaker 7>the Hugh Hewett audience a sense. I was supposed to

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<v Speaker 7>in the month of March be off of print and

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<v Speaker 7>just focused on the next full season of Breaking History.

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<v Speaker 1>And as soon as the war started, literally.

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<v Speaker 7>On the twenty eighth of February, I had a phone

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<v Speaker 7>call with Oliver Weisman, my editor, and he said, Allie said,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>We need you for the war.

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<v Speaker 7>And I'm like, I know, and I'm by the way,

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<v Speaker 7>a happy warrior in that regard, because I think it's

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<v Speaker 7>such an important, you know, hinge of history story. So

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<v Speaker 7>to me, you know, we'll get back to the breaking

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<v Speaker 7>history thing. But yeah, no, I think we definitely understand it,

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<v Speaker 7>and we've had some great stuff. We had Yoev Gallant

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<v Speaker 7>was really good this week. You should read that on

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<v Speaker 7>the importance of taking carg Island.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that the Free press has set the standard

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<v Speaker 1>for good coverage. But what I really want is more

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<v Speaker 1>podcasting from you, from Aaron McLain, from a commentary. I

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<v Speaker 1>hate it. In fact, my reflex is when the commentary

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<v Speaker 1>podcast talks about anything other than the war, I get

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<v Speaker 1>mad at it because you know, I'm normally interested in everything,

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<v Speaker 1>but all I wanted to do is talk about the war,

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<v Speaker 1>because this is it's like the Berlin Wall falling and

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<v Speaker 1>they're covering, you know how the magazine subscription is doing. No, No, well,

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<v Speaker 1>can I come about I give.

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<v Speaker 7>A little preview? Yeah, because I've gotten the message. Next week,

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<v Speaker 7>early in the week we just recorded it. There is

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<v Speaker 7>a long form conversation with me and Aviv on his

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<v Speaker 7>really deep thinking on the theory of muk Ohama or

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<v Speaker 7>kind of permanent revolution, and I think it'll it's all

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<v Speaker 7>about the war, It's all about the implications. So I'm

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<v Speaker 7>really excited about It's a good conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait to hear the episode ninety three and

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<v Speaker 1>ninety nine of Asked Aviv Anything are the introduction to

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<v Speaker 1>what will be the seminar that Eli will conduct with

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<v Speaker 1>the Vive Ready Gore next week. You should subscribe to

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<v Speaker 1>the Free Press because it really does take the Shariot

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<v Speaker 1>stuff seriously. Eli, thank you for your extra time today.

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<v Speaker 1>Shabbat Shalom and follow him at Eli Lake and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be back right after this. America Staytion