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Speaker 1: I'm you, Hewittt. Welcome to the Big Weekend Pod. Four

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Speaker 1: weeks of the war with Iran are in the books.

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Speaker 1: America continues to win decisively alongside of our ally Israel.

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Speaker 1: Two allies have stood up verbally strongly with us, the

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Speaker 1: United Arab Emirates and Ukraine, and all the people out

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Speaker 1: there have been wondering, shall we really be supporting Ukraine?

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Speaker 1: Take note. Old Europe is nowhere to be found. I

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Speaker 1: mean they sit around, they say they're going to participate

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Speaker 1: seen a British ship, we haven't seen a French ship

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Speaker 1: Wenesday in anything from Old Europe that we liberated twice

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Speaker 1: in the last century. But the United Arab Emirates, they're

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Speaker 1: getting into the fight, and Ukraine has been in the

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Speaker 1: fight for weeks, sending all the anti drone technology to

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Speaker 1: protect our golf allies. So when it comes time to

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Speaker 1: remember this for let's remember who was there and who wasn't. Now.

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Speaker 1: I've been a long time supporter of NATO. Everyone listens

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Speaker 1: to my show knows that. But at some point you

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Speaker 1: have to say, are those countries broken beyond repair? Now?

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Speaker 1: Maybe they'll revive. It's possible Nigel Farage or somebody else

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Speaker 1: will rise in Britain. It's possible that Macrone's successor won't

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Speaker 1: be a weak need surrender monkey. I don't know it's possible,

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Speaker 1: but them been there thus far, and UAE and Ukraine

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Speaker 1: have been And when I count wins and losses and

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Speaker 1: friends and allies, I want you to remember that Ukraine

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Speaker 1: United Arab Emirates. Secondly understated by our defeatist and demoralized

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Speaker 1: legacy media is the fact we're winning decisively. We're winning

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Speaker 1: so fast you can't even leave how fast we're winning.

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Speaker 1: We're winning in every part of the country, We're winning

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Speaker 1: in every battlefield. We have lost seventeen Americans, another a

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Speaker 1: dozen are severely wounded. Their families are suffering grievously. It

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Speaker 1: is not a war without costs. We've lost two f

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Speaker 1: fifteen to friendly fire. We've lost a dozen drones that

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Speaker 1: were old school. But the Israelis have lost between twenty

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Speaker 1: and twenty five civilians and soldiers and a number of

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Speaker 1: direct hits on their infrastructure. Our golf allies have lost

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Speaker 1: more than twenty of their people. So it's not a

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Speaker 1: bloodless for and we are smashing Iran on every level.

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Speaker 1: And there's no telling who's in charge. There's no telling

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Speaker 1: what is a lie and what isn't a lie. But

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Speaker 1: so long as the war goes on, I'm all in

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Speaker 1: favor of it because Iran's killed more than a thousand

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Speaker 1: Americans since the revolution in nineteen forty seven. They are

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Speaker 1: our sworn enemy. They chant death to America and they're

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Speaker 1: sleep and they mean it. They want it to happen,

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Speaker 1: and I am so glad this is finally happening. And

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Speaker 1: I'm still broadcasting because they've been killing Americans for as

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Speaker 1: long as I've been on the air, and I've been

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Speaker 1: on the air a long time. Finally, I want to

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Speaker 1: point out two things. First of all, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people are mad at Donald Trump for not giving a

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Speaker 1: Churchillian speech, you know, summoning the nation to war. We

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Speaker 1: will fight on the beach at a different time, and

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Speaker 1: a lot of people now he's not clear, and he

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Speaker 1: changes his mind and he's ambiguous. I will use a

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Speaker 1: Churchillian if you listen to Doctor Ironer and I talk

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Speaker 1: about Winston Churchill on the Hillsdale Dialogues all the time.

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Speaker 1: I've been in Churchill's The Gathering Storm for a year now.

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Speaker 1: If you listen to us talk about Churchill, I think

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Speaker 1: you will have heard us refer to the famous I

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Speaker 1: think it was a toast that he gave ironically in

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Speaker 1: Tehran at the Tehran Conference in nineteen forty three, and

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Speaker 1: I believe he gave the toast to Stalin, and the

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Speaker 1: toast went in wartime. Truth is so precious that she

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Speaker 1: must always be attended by a bodyguard of lives. In

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Speaker 1: other words, you've always got to use misdirection in war.

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Speaker 1: You don't tell people what you're going to do. You

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Speaker 1: don't tell them what you've done. You don't tell them

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Speaker 1: what losses you've suffered. You tell them the truth that

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Speaker 1: we're in a war and we got to win it.

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Speaker 1: It's an evil regime. You tell them big victories. Churchill

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Speaker 1: are winning decisively. But spare me the og. He hasn't

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Speaker 1: given us the battle plan in detail to put on

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Speaker 1: trying to win. And then, finally, the biggest picture of

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Speaker 1: all what Donald Trump is doing right now with this war,

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Speaker 1: along with Secretary of Exist Sherman of the Joint Chiefs

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Speaker 1: he's restoring American deterrence which is lost by Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, which led to the Ukraine War. He's

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Speaker 1: also restoring deterrence with Iran, which was given away by

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama in the JCPOA, which was the worst deal

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Speaker 1: in history, as President Trump said. And he's doing it

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Speaker 1: in a way the same way that Reagan and George H. W.

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Speaker 1: Bush did over a period of time. Reagan started with

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Speaker 1: and after Gulf War one one hundred Hour War. Though

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Speaker 1: it was perhaps concluded too soon, it re established in

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Speaker 1: the minds of our enemy, do not mess with America.

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Speaker 1: That same message is coming through right now now. And

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Speaker 1: if you have not yet read Mobilized by Schum Sandcar,

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Speaker 1: that's spelled shyam sa nkr Sandcar and it's simply called Mobilize.

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Speaker 1: Schum wrote it with Madelon Hart, and I talked to him.

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Speaker 1: You can find it over at my YouTube channel. On Thursday.

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Speaker 1: Realize that, yeah, we didn't build a lot for the

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Speaker 1: last thirty years, and maybe that we got lucky that

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Speaker 1: we're now building what we need for the next generation

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Speaker 1: of warfare, which is completely different from what we needed

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Speaker 1: to win the Cold War. Golf four one, Golf four two,

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Speaker 1: the March to Baghdad. It's a different kind of war.

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Speaker 1: And right now you'll hear me ask Sankar this if

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Speaker 1: you listen to it, how soon can we build a

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Speaker 1: long range drone with a heavy payload by the hundreds

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Speaker 1: when can we deploy that Leonidas system that you talked about.

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Speaker 1: The Leonidas system is a way to knock down drones?

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Speaker 1: And how soon can we defeat the chicoms Leonidis. The

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Speaker 1: battlefields of Ukraine and Iran are showing us stuff, But

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Speaker 1: more importantly, they're putting to end. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it'll be immediate or if it'll take a year,

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Speaker 1: but this regimes finished in Iran. Everybody hates it. They're

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Speaker 1: a day, sometimes five, a very great cost to Israel, annoying, exhausting, tiring.

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Speaker 1: not have a defeatis demoralized press. So sit back and listen.

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Speaker 1: They have John Allison Ellis items to talk about, some

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Speaker 1: of the headlines you might not have seen. I've got

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Speaker 1: Beltwigh Today it is the Weekend Review program. And what

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Speaker 1: a week it's been. The conclusion of the fourth week

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Speaker 1: of the war with Iran. I begin as I do

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Speaker 1: most Fridays and weekends with John Ellis, Founder of News Items,

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Speaker 1: editor in chief of News Items, and John always sends

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Speaker 1: me the stories he wants to cover, and I'm glad

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Speaker 1: the first story was Iran. John, I'm going to give

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Speaker 1: you the stage, but I'm going to say beforehand, I

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Speaker 1: try and read everything about the war, listen to the

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Speaker 1: informed speculation, and I'm an optimist. I think it's going

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Speaker 1: very very well. I'm not sure you are, so have

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Speaker 2: It's difficult because the Ranians have a lot of leverage

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Speaker 2: with the straight being able to close the straight essential

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Speaker 2: which creates stress, you know, all the way down the line.

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Speaker 2: East Asia obviously the ones that feel it most acutely first.

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Speaker 2: So it also seems unlikely that that can be resolved

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Speaker 2: leading up to. And anytime troops are on the ground,

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Speaker 2: you want to be you want to be hopeful that

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Speaker 1: Now I'm reminded, and I remind everyone of an ironically

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Speaker 1: something Churchill said in Tehran in nineteen forty three to

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Speaker 1: It's in shambles. Oh.

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Speaker 2: I think that the you know, the projection of force

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Speaker 2: that the regime, the Iranian regime still stands. I don't

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Speaker 2: the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps that remains. They have a

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Speaker 2: pain can they withstand. They've withstood enormous pain so far.

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Speaker 2: The historical record the Iran Iraq War in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 2: They lost six hundred to eight hundred thousand people in

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Speaker 1: That's absolutely true. In there once again relying on children recruits.

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Speaker 1: But that was forty seven years ago and the revolution

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Speaker 1: Mark Montgomery and others, they tell me that the operation

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Speaker 1: in the Strait, while difficult, is not that difficult, especially

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Speaker 1: if we have allies, and you pointed out to me

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Speaker 1: They've played all their cards, haven't they. I think they have.

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Speaker 2: And the other thing is, we have friends who have

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Speaker 2: that the US operation will be successful, and that has

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Speaker 2: the more difficult it is for everyone all around the world,

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Speaker 2: If it's done, If this operation is successful in the

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Speaker 2: slowly but certainly go back to where we were before.

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Speaker 2: If it goes much longer than that, then it really

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Speaker 1: Last on this topic, John, I've told people I think

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Speaker 1: it will go to early June, because at that point

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Speaker 1: Items and John, you'll be smarter to anybody else by

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Speaker 1: Charles C. W. Cook as my guest senior writer, Senior

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Speaker 1: his own podcast, The Charles C. W. Cook Podcast. Inexplicably

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Speaker 1: a Jacksonville Jaguars fan, Charles, I was in your neck

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Speaker 1: of John Delaney. Had a wonderful time at Amelia Island

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Speaker 4: I thought it was fantastic. I loved it. I'm into

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Speaker 1: think that's not a particularly difficult though it is a

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not sure we agree on the last part.

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Speaker 4: We certainly agree on the first part. I think it's

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Speaker 4: a one sided war. The United States has a remarkable military.

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Speaker 4: It's done remarkable things. They clearly don't have the ability

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Speaker 3: I don't really know what the state.

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Speaker 4: Of the regime, such as it is, is, but yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're winning in that respect. I'm more worried about the

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Speaker 4: Strait than you are, purely because I.

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Speaker 3: Am not sure that there is enough.

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Speaker 4: Willingness from the public and perhaps even from the President,

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Speaker 4: to do what would be necessary to reopen it, especially

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Speaker 4: given gas prices higher and the mid times are a

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Speaker 4: few months away.

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Speaker 3: But I could be wrong.

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Speaker 1: I base my optimism only on the informed speculation of

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Speaker 1: people like where Admiral Mark Montgomery's retired now, but he's

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Speaker 1: let a carrier strike force group, and the fact that

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Speaker 1: people like Aaron McLean and his guests at School of

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Speaker 1: War seem to believe. It's also not a particularly difficult

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Speaker 1: military objective, though it is dangerous to a small person.

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Speaker 1: It's not the Battle of the Atlantic, but it's not nothing.

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Speaker 1: I'll be right back with Charles c. W. Cook. Don't

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Speaker 1: go anywhere. I'm back now with Charles c. W. Cook. Charles,

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Speaker 1: another Marco Rubio quote for you, cut number six on

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Speaker 1: the Allies. Did they want to set up a tolling system?

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Speaker 1: In the strengths of Hormons. Not only is this illegal,

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Speaker 1: it's unacceptable, it's dangerous for the world, and it's important

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Speaker 1: that the world have a plan to confront it. The

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Speaker 1: United States is prepared to be a part of that plan.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to leave that plan, but we were

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Speaker 1: happy to be a part of it. But these countries

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Speaker 1: have a lot of state, not just to see seven countries,

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Speaker 1: but countries.

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Speaker 6: In Asia and all over the world have a lot

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Speaker 6: of state and should contribute greatly.

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Speaker 1: To that effort to ensure that need of the straits.

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Speaker 5: Of hormones or frankly, any international waterways should ever be something.

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Speaker 1: That's controlled or told by a nation state or.

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Speaker 7: By the terroristics of the government like the one that

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Speaker 7: exists in Iran.

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Speaker 1: Today and that clerical, radical clerical regime. Now I don't

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Speaker 1: want to beat up on you because you used to

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Speaker 1: be British, Charles, but I am so disappointed in the

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Speaker 1: United Kingdom and in France Old Europe. Meanwhile, people like

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Speaker 1: Ukraine are doing their part. The Poles are stepping up

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Speaker 1: to the extent that they can spare stuff. UAE is

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Speaker 1: in the fight. What do you make of Great Britain

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Speaker 1: and FRN Are they spent as forces in the world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and we talked about this last time. I think

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Speaker 4: they're absolutely spent. I think they're run by people who

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Speaker 4: don't think about foreign policy much, who are not interested

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Speaker 4: in projecting power, who have come to the conclusion that

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Speaker 4: the United States will protect them if push comes to shove,

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Speaker 4: but that everything else can fall by the wayside.

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Speaker 3: The French.

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Speaker 4: We'd love to make jokes about the French in the

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Speaker 4: US and especially in Britain, but the French do have

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Speaker 4: a very proud military history. The big low point, of course,

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Speaker 4: was that the first Hurdle in World War Two, But

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Speaker 4: before that they were a remarkable fighting force and they've

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Speaker 4: been a remarkable fighting force. More recently, they've just decided

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Speaker 4: for now not to play the game. So yeah, basically

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Speaker 4: they are spent.

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Speaker 1: We did talk about this three or four weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: What we didn't get to Can a nation change its

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Speaker 1: mind and reclaim? Can it come back?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 4: But it's very difficult, and it takes will and it

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Speaker 4: takes time. Even missus Thatcher didn't get everything she wanted

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Speaker 4: to done. That's not for lack of will on her part,

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Speaker 4: although maybe some around her like will. She had eleven years.

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Speaker 4: It's not enough. You have to commit to a part

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Speaker 4: to do that. So you would need to see a

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Speaker 4: substantial and long lasting change in Britain, France and other

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Speaker 4: nations before that happened. And I'm just not sure they've

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Speaker 4: got it in them absence some sort of international cataclysm

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Speaker 4: that pushes them into it, which I should be very clear,

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Speaker 4: I don't want.

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Speaker 1: Oh, nobody does thirty seconds. In terms of anybody at

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Speaker 1: all in the British political firmament who has the capacity

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Speaker 1: to lead such a renewal, I don't think it's Nigel Farage.

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Speaker 1: But is there anyone?

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Speaker 3: No, well, no, I don't think there is.

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Speaker 4: But of course, as we know from American history, that

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Speaker 4: doesn't mean they don't exist. Nobody knew Abraham Lincoln would

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Speaker 4: be the man to do it, Nobody knew George Washington

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Speaker 4: would be the man to do it. Certainly nobody knew

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Speaker 4: Churchill would be He was something of a laughing stock

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Speaker 4: in the nineteen thirties. So if there is the will,

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Speaker 4: if there's the demand, then often the supply catches up right.

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Speaker 1: Right back with Charles C. W. Cook standby Welcome Back America.

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Speaker 1: Charles C. W. Cook is my guest. He's senior editor

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Speaker 1: at National Review. Host they podcast that bears his name,

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Speaker 1: Charles C. W. Cook podcast, frequent contributor to the editors. Charles.

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Speaker 1: This is a long clip of President Trump on the

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Speaker 1: Five last night, but it is very emblematic of how

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Speaker 1: he communicates. He calls in to the highest rated show

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Speaker 1: on cable. His face isn't on, He's just shooting the

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Speaker 1: breeze with five hosts, cut number.

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Speaker 8: Fourteen, like the ultimate pol But I knew how well

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Speaker 8: we did the second time, but the third time we

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Speaker 8: made it too big to rig. So for those people

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Speaker 8: that say the level of popularity, CNN, your friends at CNN,

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Speaker 8: fake new CNN, one of the worst networks you'll ever say,

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Speaker 8: one of the most dishonest, disgusting groups of people. But

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Speaker 8: what happened is they did a poll and the poll

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Speaker 8: came out yesterday, day before and is Trump losing MAGA support?

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Speaker 8: The poll was one hundred percent. And you know their polster,

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Speaker 8: he's got a lot of energy and he's pretty good.

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Speaker 8: He probably won't have a job very long. But he said, whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 8: It was one hundred percent of the people, the MAGA people,

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Speaker 8: and which is mostly I think MAGA is almost the

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Speaker 8: whole Republican Party. You want to know the truth, Almost

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Speaker 8: everybody endors wins. Almost every single person that I endorse wins.

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Speaker 8: And Kayley knows that better than anybody. She was witnessed

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Speaker 8: to it for a long time and she's doing a

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Speaker 8: good job, by the way, but almost everybody. So they

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Speaker 8: did a poll, let's see it then two days ago,

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Speaker 8: and I think you probably saw it, maybe you put

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Speaker 8: it on, but it was one hundred percent support. So

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Speaker 8: it's wrong. We have people that are weak or stupid

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Speaker 8: or low IQ people that don't mind having a ran

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Speaker 8: have a nuclear weapon. The MAGA people are smart. Now,

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Speaker 8: that doesn't mean they want us over there. For like

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Speaker 8: Bush for for years, you know, just for years. I

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Speaker 8: always said, don't go into a rack, but if you do,

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Speaker 8: keep the oil. Well, we are a very powerful military

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Speaker 8: with the most powerful military nation in the world, and

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Speaker 8: we did a big number on them, and our people

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Speaker 8: like it because they don't want to see us one

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Speaker 8: hundred percent, think of it. One hundred percent in a

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Speaker 8: CNN poll. A CNN poll, which are the worst polls, almost.

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Speaker 1: As bad as Fox poles. I hate Fox bowls well,

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Speaker 1: so Charles A. What do you make of the method,

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Speaker 1: and B what do you make of the message?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the method's good. I think it's refreshing

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Speaker 4: after Joe Biden. I have no issue with modern presidents

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Speaker 4: using modern techniques. The message bothers me in so far

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Speaker 4: as it's incomplete.

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Speaker 3: Trump's right.

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Speaker 4: He is in good standing with Republicans and in good

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Speaker 4: standing with self identified MAGA supporters.

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Speaker 3: That's important.

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Speaker 4: You want to keep your base on side, but he does,

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Speaker 4: and I think sometimes the right suffers from this issue.

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Speaker 4: Conflate the right or the Republican Party or MAGA with

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Speaker 4: the country and elections are one in the middle. He's

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Speaker 4: not doing particularly well with independence, He's not doing well

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Speaker 4: with Democrats, but he's never going to do well with Democrats.

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Speaker 4: We do have a two party system. So less important

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Speaker 4: than how he's doing with MAGA is how he's doing

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Speaker 4: with everyone else. And I think there's a tendency with

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Speaker 4: Trump to ignore that. He effectively sees his supporters as

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Speaker 4: the only people he has to please, and I worry

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Speaker 4: about that, And you know you do not have disagreed

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Speaker 4: on this a little bit, but I worry about that

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Speaker 4: with Iran too. Okay, So one hundred percent of MAGA

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Speaker 4: supports this action. That's good. I'd rather that than the opposite.

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Speaker 4: But what does everyone else think? And how long is

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Speaker 4: he going to be able to keep this up if

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Speaker 4: the Poles keep looking like they do now.

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Speaker 1: I don't think we'll be able to judge the Iran

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Speaker 1: war until after it's over, and probably a good bit

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Speaker 1: of distance thereafter. But I do think it has the

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Speaker 1: potential to be a pivot point in history, that if

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Speaker 1: Iran were to go from the dark side to the

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Speaker 1: right side, even to sort of neutral Swedish kind of

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Speaker 1: side though they're in NATO. Now let me come up

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Speaker 1: with a better analogy, but just not be the agent

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Speaker 1: of evil that it's been for forty seven years. It

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Speaker 1: would represent such a great win for the world. Am

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Speaker 1: I right about how important this moment is? Because I

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Speaker 1: think we haven't had a moment like this since nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty nine about which we were aware when it was happening.

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Speaker 3: Yes you are.

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Speaker 4: I was saying on the editors this morning that I've

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Speaker 4: spoken to a lot of military veterans in the last month,

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Speaker 4: partly because of where I live in Jacksonville, it's near

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Speaker 4: a naval base, and partly because they come to events

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Speaker 4: I've spoken at. We get chatting, and pretty much every

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Speaker 4: single one of them is elated by this because they

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Speaker 4: say that if they served in Afghanistan or Iraq, Iran

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Speaker 4: was instrumental in killing their friends.

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Speaker 3: Many of them have volunteered to go over.

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Speaker 4: Some of them are in the reserves and have volunteered

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Speaker 4: to go over, And you do get the impression talking

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Speaker 4: to them just how pernicious Iran has been in targeting Americans,

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Speaker 4: in providing weapons and support to those who would hurt us. So, yes,

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Speaker 4: I think you are right. I just think that if

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Speaker 4: the politics and the virtue of this get too far

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Speaker 4: upa then we'll have a problem.

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Speaker 1: And then a final question. I spent yesterday talking to

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Speaker 1: Sham Sankar, who wrote this book which I recommend to

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Speaker 1: you and to everyone who's serious about defense, so called Mobilized.

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Speaker 1: He's the chief technology officer at Palenteer. And between what

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Speaker 1: we're seeing on the Ukraine Russian front and now Ukraine's

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Speaker 1: making long range strikes into rush against undefended LNG terminals

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Speaker 1: and the drone warfare and the you know, let's pick

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Speaker 1: off this besiege. You standing on the corner in Kum

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Speaker 1: and they're gone. War has changed completely and I don't

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Speaker 1: even know how to articulate it. Do you agree with

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Speaker 1: me about that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I must say I'm very worried at the moment

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Speaker 4: because defense spending is about sixteen percent of the federal budget,

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Speaker 4: but the way the politicians talk that you would think

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Speaker 4: it was eighty And increasingly the argument against the wars

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Speaker 4: it is to expect, which is not a good argument

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Speaker 4: against the war. And people say, oh, if we spend

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Speaker 4: the money on this or that instead, then we could

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Speaker 4: do this or that. But we're actually spending most of

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Speaker 4: our resources on entitlements and on social spending and not

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Speaker 4: most of them on defense. And I worry that we've

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Speaker 4: got the balance wrong. I think you're right. I think

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Speaker 4: there is a huge change of foot I think there

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Speaker 4: are a lot of threats. I think we're underprepared. And

649
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Speaker 4: the fact that the rhetoric is going in the other direction,

650
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Speaker 4: that is that we're somehow wasting money or overspending on defense,

651
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Speaker 4: is alarming to me because I think we should.

652
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Speaker 3: Be spending more on defense and less on social spending.

653
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Speaker 1: And I think if you read mobilize, the turn has happened.

654
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Speaker 1: We don't have to spend as much per dollar of

655
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Speaker 1: defense bought that we have been spending because the new

656
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Speaker 1: systems don't cost what the old systems cost, and we're

657
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Speaker 1: not burdened by technology costs if we're willing to shed

658
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Speaker 1: the old. Charles gw cot bom him on Exit, Charles,

659
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Speaker 1: you be joined by one of our favorite guests, Eli

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Speaker 1: Lake at The Free Press, host of the Breaking History podcast.

661
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Speaker 1: And I asked Eli for extended time today because we

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00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: got to talk you about the Iran War. But I

663
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Speaker 1: have to start with the new episode of Breaking History

664
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Speaker 1: because it absorbed an hour and a half of my

665
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Speaker 1: time today because I kept replaying parts of it to

666
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Speaker 1: make sure I got it right. Eliot, it's a fabulous,

667
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Speaker 1: fabulous addition. Though I'd never heard of Kayla until today,

668
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: and I only knew a little bit about the Red Brigade.

669
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I wonder where you get your ideas from.

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Speaker 7: Well, this was Jay Solomon, who was a dear friend

671
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Speaker 7: and a colleague at the Free Press. I had known

672
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Speaker 7: he was working on this and its friends do. He'll

673
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Speaker 7: tell me about it. You'll never guess where she is now.

674
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Speaker 7: She's in Lebanon. She's doing this. And I just said,

675
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Speaker 7: as soon as this comes out. I want to make

676
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Speaker 7: sure I get we do a breakdown of the story,

677
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Speaker 7: because it is a fascinating tale. I don't know if

678
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Speaker 7: it's I think she is an I mean this in

679
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Speaker 7: the sense of she's an outlier. I think she's an

680
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Speaker 7: extraordinary example of someone who would be willing to I

681
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 7: think she is now putting her life in danger to

682
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Speaker 7: follow her kind of radical belief that she is now

683
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Speaker 7: aligning with them.

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Speaker 1: Well, she's resistance, but it's happened before. Is she in

685
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Speaker 1: Iran now?

686
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 7: Well, no, she's not in Iran. She's in Lebanon. But

687
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Speaker 7: she has traveled No, no, she traveled to Iran. So

688
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Speaker 7: but she she's now based in Lebanon basically kind of

689
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Speaker 7: working for Iranian Press TV, which is their propaganda arm.

690
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Speaker 7: And I saw a parallel to someone who we did

691
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Speaker 7: an episode last year on, which is Ulrikameinhoff of the

692
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Speaker 7: Bottom Mine Holf group of the Red Army faction in

693
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Speaker 7: West Germany, as somebody who comes from and you could

694
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Speaker 7: also look at this as the weather underground in America,

695
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Speaker 7: which I've also looked into, and I've done work on

696
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Speaker 7: UH and breaking history as well. What is it when

697
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Speaker 7: you have somebody who is basically raised with all the

698
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Speaker 7: advantages of the West, people who go to college, who

699
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Speaker 7: have all these opportunities in front of them, why did

700
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Speaker 7: they then join the forces that are trying to destroy

701
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Speaker 7: our country? And that was a question that that when

702
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Speaker 7: you were a young aid to Richard Nixon, that was

703
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Speaker 7: what America was kind of going through, because that was

704
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Speaker 7: right after you saw the kind of weather underground in

705
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Speaker 7: the early seventies and some of these other offspring. Germany

706
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Speaker 7: is a fascinating example because Alrika Meinhoff was such a

707
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Speaker 7: successful celebrity journalist who then literally joined the terrorist group

708
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Speaker 7: that she was interviewing or the leader of. She helped

709
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Speaker 7: break him out of jail. Andre Spotter. So to me,

710
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Speaker 7: I'm fascinated by this question, what are the conditions in somebody?

711
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Speaker 7: Why do they break rad what makes them.

712
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Speaker 1: Yeah breaking? One of the things that I occurred to

713
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Speaker 1: me was listening Greta Thunberg came to mind, and this

714
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Speaker 1: lethal comment nation of celebrity and youth and if whatever

715
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Speaker 1: you get your endorphins from, if you get your endorphins

716
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Speaker 1: from being famous for being a political actor, because for

717
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Speaker 1: a variety of reasons, it can happen when you're young,

718
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Speaker 1: you might be trapped. It might be worse than being

719
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Speaker 1: a child actor. In many ways. It's like being a

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Speaker 1: child actor, eli, isn't it. Yeah. I think it's a

721
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Speaker 1: great analogy. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: If you think about people who become incredibly famous as children,

723
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Speaker 7: like Michael Jackson, they usually have very unhappy adulthoods. And

724
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Speaker 7: the reason for that is that they experience a kind

725
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Speaker 7: of the rush of fame at such an early age.

726
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Speaker 7: How do you just sit with yourself, read a book,

727
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Speaker 7: you know, go to a cafe.

728
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Speaker 1: It's very hard.

729
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Speaker 7: And I do have some sympathy and something like that

730
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Speaker 7: did happen with Kala Walsh, which is that you know,

731
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Speaker 7: she was being featured in the New York Times as

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Speaker 7: this wonderkind activist when she, you know, as a fifteen

733
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Speaker 7: year old, gets involved in Ed Markey's race for the

734
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Speaker 7: Senate and I think, you know, through a series of

735
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Speaker 7: decisions that she makes, she kind of gets more and

736
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Speaker 7: more radical.

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Speaker 1: Some of that.

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Speaker 7: As Jay I think really ablely reported that she was

739
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Speaker 7: also spotted at first by Cuban intelligence and then later

740
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Speaker 7: by the Iranians, and they be chilling them.

741
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Speaker 1: It's so chilling. And my message to parents and teachers

742
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: out there. Let them be speech tam nerds. There is

743
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: a vent for them to let them do mock trial.

744
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: Let them get involved, but don't get on TV. And

745
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: the TV producers think it's cool to cover the kids

746
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Speaker 1: who are going on strike, it's not. You're distorting their reality.

747
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: Let them be anonymous and as absolutely useless to the

748
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Speaker 1: modern world as they are until they can vote and

749
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Speaker 1: actually participate. I don't care what they know. They're not

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Speaker 1: old enough to know anything, are they. I mean, even

751
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Speaker 1: if you're a great violinist, you just can't contribute anything

752
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Speaker 1: to us. Well.

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Speaker 7: Yes, and I also thought about it. I'm a fairly

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Speaker 7: new father. I have a four and a half year

755
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Speaker 7: old daughter. I can't imagine the anguish of the father

756
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Speaker 7: and what he must be going through because you're always

757
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 7: going to love your child. But what happens when your

758
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 7: child decides to basically align themselves and join the cause

759
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 7: of terrorists who want to destroy your country. That is

760
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Speaker 7: a hard, hard fate and I would not wish to anyone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, let me turn to Iran because we had

762
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Speaker 1: a lot to cover. Yeah. First, the end of the

763
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Speaker 1: fourth week of the war is today. I think we

764
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Speaker 1: are living in a moment of history as significant as

765
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Speaker 1: the fall of the Berlin Wall. It's a pivot point

766
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Speaker 1: where the possibility of changing the trajectory of the world

767
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Speaker 1: is in front of us, and we're watching it unfold.

768
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Speaker 1: And I don't see it being covered that way. First

769
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 1: of my being melodramatic, and two do you see this

770
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Speaker 1: weirdness in the coverage that I do?

771
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Speaker 7: Well, Listen, I respect somebody who would say, I'm not

772
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Speaker 7: sure how this is going to end. There's a lot

773
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Speaker 7: we can't know, and we don't know, but I'm not

774
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Speaker 7: optimistic for these reasons. Okay, fine, because history tells us

775
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 7: there's never been successful regime change from the air or

776
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 7: something like that. What I have a problem with is

777
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 7: the tenor of the coverage, which is assuming or asserting

778
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Speaker 7: or smuggling in the conclusion that the war is already

779
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 7: a failure and how why Because the price of gasoline

780
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Speaker 7: has gone up because we have yet to resolve the

781
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Speaker 7: Strait of Hormuz. And when I see analysts, and I'll

782
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Speaker 7: name some like Valey Nasser, who you know is the

783
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Speaker 7: former president of SYS. I think he's still at SEYS.

784
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Speaker 7: Johns Hopkins, serious guy, very respected, kind of getting out

785
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 7: there and telling me that you know, now you've just

786
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 7: made the Iranian regime more hardline and more determined to

787
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Speaker 7: get nuclear weapons.

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Speaker 1: I want to bang my head against the wall. You

789
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: have no.

790
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 7: Idea how much these pressures from the financial I mean,

791
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 7: are they going to pay the salaries of the besieg

792
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Speaker 7: and the IRGC officers, to the decapitation strikes, to the

793
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 7: fact that I don't know about the command and control

794
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 7: obviously there is some And then I think in some

795
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 7: ways I was talking to you know, Dwayne, you know

796
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 7: before we got on, and he had a great point.

797
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 7: I want to credit him with this by extending these negotiations.

798
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 7: What a mind game Trump is playing on the regime.

799
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Speaker 7: Now you've got all the long knives out looking at it.

800
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Speaker 7: Who's the collaborator, who's selling us out? Because I think

801
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 7: there is a lot of confusion. So I just think

802
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 7: all of these assumptions that it was a blunder, that

803
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 7: we're going to be stuck with an even more radical regime,

804
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Speaker 7: there's no reason to think that at this point, I personally.

805
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: Am make a diversion. But last week and this week

806
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 1: Sunday and Monday, I listened to Vali Nasser's Iran Grand

807
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: strategy of political history, and I recommended it to people

808
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: because while I did detect a certain softness towards part

809
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Speaker 1: of the terrible atrocities Iran committed, especially in the eighty

810
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Speaker 1: to eighty eight war, that it was objected. I thought

811
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Speaker 1: it was objected about the history. So he's gone off

812
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Speaker 1: the deep end because I want to withdraw my recommendation

813
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Speaker 1: of Iran is very good. I want to say.

814
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Speaker 7: The reason I bring him up because he has done

815
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Speaker 7: important scholarship. His response now as a commentator on the war,

816
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 7: what I think he makes this error, which is that

817
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 7: he is assuming everything he knows about the nature of

818
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Speaker 7: Iran's regime would apply without factoring in unprecedented levels, as

819
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 7: I said, the decapitation and everything else. My problem is

820
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 7: that his analysis is if they would behave the same

821
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 7: way they always have, even though they've never faced a

822
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 7: challenge like this before. And my challenge to it is,

823
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Speaker 7: how are you going to I mean, I'm sure I

824
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 7: agree that I understand the nature of what Haviv Redik

825
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 7: Gore talks about the muk Ohama ideology, that you know,

826
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Speaker 7: it's important that we will face death willingly and all

827
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Speaker 7: of this. That's true for some but most times in history.

828
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Speaker 7: As you know, most people are not martyrs. They don't

829
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Speaker 7: seek martyrdom. The reason they don't seek martyrdom is because

830
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 7: most human beings want to live and spend time with

831
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Speaker 7: their families.

832
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Speaker 1: So at a.

833
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Speaker 7: Certain point, I'm just saying I would like to know

834
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 7: how the regime is. I'm sure there is fracturing, and

835
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Speaker 7: I'm sure that we can't really see it because that's happening,

836
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 7: you know, around the dinner table in private homes at

837
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 7: this point. But it's got to be intense, That's what

838
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 7: I'm saying.

839
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Speaker 1: I'm a civilian, civilian that I do also know the

840
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: military rule that when thirty percent of any particular military

841
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,720
Speaker 1: organization has been rendered inoperable either killed or wounded, that

842
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: that formation loses its effectiveness thirty percent. Can't you cannot

843
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: lose thirty I think they've lost more than thirty percent

844
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: of the IRGC. We'll come back and talk about that

845
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: during the break and after the break with Eli Lake.

846
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: Follow him at the Free Press, follow Breaking History, and

847
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: follow him on Exit. Eli Lake. Stay tuned. I'm back

848
00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: with Eli Lake. Eli. When we come back from break

849
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Speaker 1: on the network, I'm going to ask you where do

850
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: you get your information from because too many people are

851
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: getting lowsy information from too many sources. But if I

852
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: have a chance on Special Report tonight, I'm going to

853
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: quote Churchill ironically in Tehran in nineteen forty three talking

854
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 1: on his birthday to Joseph Stalin, when he said, very famously,

855
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: in war, truth is so important, so precious, that it

856
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 1: must be protected by a bodyguard of lies. S So

857
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I assume everybody's lying when they talk about the war,

858
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: unless it's sentcomm telling us something we've blown up. Do

859
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: you bring the same filter to everything you hear? Yeah?

860
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 1: I love the bodyguard lies.

861
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Speaker 7: I also like the fog of war is an important

862
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Speaker 7: because sometimes you think you know something you don't.

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Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great point.

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Speaker 7: Again, there's so much that we can't know about the

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Speaker 7: internal dynamics of like the kind of unit cohesion or

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Speaker 7: battalion cohesion. Uh in the repressive instruments of the state,

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Speaker 7: the institutions like the IRGC, like the BESIEG, like the MOIS,

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Speaker 7: their intelligence service. And then what we do get is

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Speaker 7: we get this leader has been knocked out. You know,

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Speaker 7: the Israelis are pretty good. It's when they confirm the kill.

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Speaker 7: So I mean again, you know, sometimes Trump, who you know,

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Speaker 7: it can sometimes, I think his critics say, always all

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Speaker 7: over the place, but he can blurt out truths, you know,

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Speaker 7: in his in his you know, unique kind of style

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Speaker 7: where he at one point, I think he said it

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Speaker 7: on Fox and Friends last night. What did he say

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Speaker 7: or not Fox and Friends? It was the five where

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Speaker 7: he said, not a lot of people want to be

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Speaker 7: the next leader.

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Speaker 1: So that tells me two things. One is maybe.

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Speaker 7: Most of a most of a common ae is dead

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Speaker 7: or is just he also said he was gay and

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Speaker 7: a como or inpacitated. We haven't seen him right, he

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Speaker 7: was saying he was gay, right, Okay, that you know, okay,

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Speaker 7: But my point is is that well is he is

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Speaker 7: he telling us something there that there is a leadership

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Speaker 7: vacuum and nobody wants the job. That's pretty important information, right.

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Speaker 7: I mean, now, I'm not saying that Trump is the

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Speaker 7: most reliable narrator and everything, as I think you're right

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Speaker 7: about the bodyguard of lies. But I also think that

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Speaker 7: he has a propensity because he is unfiltered so much

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Speaker 7: of the time, to blurt out truths that other people

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Speaker 7: won't say. In fact, I think it's a key part

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Speaker 7: of his appeal. That's not my of course, only sources

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Speaker 7: of information, but I'm just saying that that's an important factor,

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Speaker 7: you know. But when you ask me the question again,

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Speaker 7: I have other other sources that I think are or.

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Speaker 1: Bring it back after visuals. But he My favorite President

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Speaker 1: Trump's story is when he talks about the discombobulator. He

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Speaker 1: so badly wants to tell us what it is, but

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Speaker 1: he knows they they got to.

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Speaker 6: He comes right up to the edge again and again

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Speaker 6: to tell us what the disc combined.

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Speaker 1: He named it, by the way, he did.

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Speaker 6: You see in the cabinet meeting yesterday they said they're

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Speaker 6: going to put his statue up to him in Venezuela,

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Speaker 6: And with perfect timing, he said, I care more about

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Speaker 6: the statue. And you know, it was self effacing, but

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Speaker 6: it was funny.

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Speaker 1: It was genuinely fun Yes, yes, I think it is

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Speaker 1: generally funny.

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Speaker 7: I mean on Venezuela. The one thing I'll say, oh

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Speaker 7: go ahead, we got a minute.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 7: What I'm gonna say is that I really hope that

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Speaker 7: there is some planning now that we've got some distance

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Speaker 7: to finally get to what a transition and an election.

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Speaker 1: I under stand the logic.

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Speaker 7: I understand the strategy of not wanting to go straight

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Speaker 7: to a Maria Machado or something like that. But at

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Speaker 7: a certain point there has to be an election so

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Speaker 7: we can have a legitimate government.

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Speaker 1: All right, pause, right there. I think you're right. I

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Speaker 1: think Rubio's got that under control. We'll be right back

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Speaker 1: with Eli Lake. Teach get you. Welcome back in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm Hugh Hewett. I'm playing radical music from the seventies

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Speaker 1: because of the latest Breaking History edition by Eli Lake,

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Speaker 1: which is about when kids go breaking rad is what

929
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Speaker 1: it's called, and I would recommend you listen to Breaking History.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to talk with Eli about Iran, primarily

931
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Speaker 1: in the fog of war when truth must be protected

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Speaker 1: by a bodyguard or lies. You are a national security

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Speaker 1: reporter for as long as I've known you. He would

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Speaker 1: you tell people how long you've been doing it? And

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Speaker 1: then b how are you reporting this war? What do

936
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Speaker 1: you rely on? Okay?

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Speaker 7: So I have been writing about national security since two

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Speaker 7: thousand and one, when I was hired as a young

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Speaker 7: man for by the old old Wire Service called UPI

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Speaker 7: to cover the State Department, and that was a wonderful education,

941
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Speaker 7: you know, beginning and then and then you know it's

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Speaker 7: I sort of from there. I covered the two thousand

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Speaker 7: and three Iraq War. I went to a rock several times,

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Speaker 7: covered Afghanistan war.

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Speaker 1: So I've been doing it two thousand and one. That

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Speaker 1: would be.

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Speaker 7: Let me that, okay, So two thousand and one, two

948
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Speaker 7: thousand and twenty five year, Yah, it's a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you when you made that choice, how would

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Speaker 1: you prepared to do that? Where did you go to

951
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Speaker 1: school and what did you study? Oh?

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Speaker 7: Thank you for I went to I went to a

953
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Speaker 7: Hebrew day school called a Kiba Hebrew Academy in Philadelphia,

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Speaker 7: where I grew up. And then I went to a

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Speaker 7: liberal arts college called Trinity College, which an excellent school.

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Speaker 7: Recommend it, and I knew that I wanted to write.

957
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Speaker 7: I wrote a lot in college, you know, for our

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Speaker 7: college newspaper, and I got a job after doing some

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Speaker 7: political work. Back then, I was far more left. I

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Speaker 7: worked with the Democratic Party briefly in the cycle of

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Speaker 7: nineteen ninety four when I graduated, doing opposition research and

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Speaker 7: other things. And then, as you remember, they lost very

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Speaker 7: badly that year, and I didn't have any killary Care,

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Speaker 7: Hillary Care.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all of that.

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Speaker 7: And I then got hired with a newsletter company called

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Speaker 7: Inside Washington Publishers, which has launched a number of careers

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Speaker 7: in among Washington journalists. Jim vanda High worked there, John

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Speaker 7: Bresnahan worked there.

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Speaker 1: I can name more.

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Speaker 7: It was a wonderful experience, and that was a job

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Speaker 7: where they took you with no journalism experience. If you

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Speaker 7: knew how to write and you were ambitious, they gave

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Speaker 7: you a very low salary, but they also gave you

975
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Speaker 7: an expense account. And my job was to cover the

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Speaker 7: Office of Water at the EPA. So you can imagine

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Speaker 7: the jokes right themselves, Eli Lako were covering the Office

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Speaker 7: of Water. But it was a great experience because, as

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Speaker 7: you know, and I would I recommend it, it's a

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Speaker 7: great experience in Washington journalist because I had to actually

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Speaker 7: cover the EPA the rulemaking process, but also Congress. I

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Speaker 7: had to get to know lobbyists and really learn how

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Speaker 7: policy was made. And it was it's hard work, but

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Speaker 7: you know you.

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Speaker 1: For thirty plus years I was a land use lawyer

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Speaker 1: while also being a broadcast journalist. And what I did

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Speaker 1: in land use lawyer was dealing with the Army Corps

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Speaker 1: of Engineers, the US Fish and Wildlife Service, and the

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Speaker 1: EPA whenever they would want to elevate a four or

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Speaker 1: four permit, and that meant the division of water. And

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Speaker 1: so you were cast into regulatory hell. But you'll learn it.

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Speaker 1: You'll learn it well.

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Speaker 7: And I'll say, I think my experience there were two

994
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Speaker 7: things that kind of made me kind of intellectually go

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Speaker 7: towards the right. It was reading a book called Free

996
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Speaker 7: to Choose by Milton Friedman and Rose Roodman, which was

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Speaker 7: really influential for me, I have to say. And the

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Speaker 7: second thing was covering the EPA, because what ended up

999
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Speaker 7: happening was I went into it having been a left

1000
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Speaker 7: wing college student thinking that the bad guys were the industry.

1001
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Speaker 7: And what I found out was that one a lot

1002
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Speaker 7: of times there would be mandated technologies that didn't work,

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Speaker 7: and it was the industry people who had to just

1004
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Speaker 7: pay for it even though it didn't work, and then

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Speaker 7: they would know that there would be another one. I

1006
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Speaker 7: thought that was kind of deeply unjust. But the other

1007
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Speaker 7: thing was is that you realize that it's not this

1008
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Speaker 7: clear division, Hugh as I'm sure you know that, oh,

1009
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Speaker 7: industry is always the bad guys, and they don't like

1010
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Speaker 7: environmental protections. A lot of them love the regulations because

1011
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Speaker 7: it keeps their competitors out of it. And so once

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Speaker 7: you sort of once I was you know, once you

1013
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Speaker 7: have some Milton Friedman and the sort of first hand

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Speaker 7: experience of dealing with the inefficiencyeds of the regulatory state.

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Speaker 1: I think it is a road to making you a conservative.

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Speaker 1: The regulatory community wants clarity and decisions. They don't want

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00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 1: ambiguity and delay. It is that simple. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you've had a chance to read the new book yet,

1019
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Speaker 1: Mobile Eye ELI by Sean Shankar, who's the chief technology

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Speaker 1: officer at Palent. It's on the future of warfare and

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Speaker 1: how we prepare for it. I talked to him today

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Speaker 1: for thirty minutes, and I'll tell you regulators will kill us.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they'll get us killed in the next war

1024
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Speaker 1: if we don't get them out of the way. Because

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Speaker 1: we got to develop a lot of new stuff in

1026
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Speaker 1: a hurry, and we can, but we need the regulators

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Speaker 1: to get out of the way on land use and

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Speaker 1: stuff like that. Back to it, if he get into

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Speaker 1: the supply chain is absolutely one of the takeaways is

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Speaker 1: the stockpile is not the problem. The production line is

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Speaker 1: the problem. So you can have no stockpile if you've

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Speaker 1: got a production line. And I gave my hypothetical, if

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Speaker 1: we need a long range drone that can be fired

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Speaker 1: from anywhere in the United States, from Alaska to Texas

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Speaker 1: to Florida to Maine, carrying a decent heavy payload that

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Speaker 1: can go around the world, how long will it take

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Speaker 1: us to make that and where can we make it?

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Speaker 1: He said, I don't know the answer, but it's very doable.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we need. And I also found from

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Speaker 1: him Ukraine is now producing. Are you sitting down a

1041
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Speaker 1: million drones a month? A million drones a month? Wow? Wow? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And their main ally they're helping us. Only the UAE

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Speaker 1: and Ukraine have actually raised their hands and say we're

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Speaker 1: in this fight. I hear Saudi Arabia is back. There

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Speaker 1: anyone else actually in the fight besides his real New

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Speaker 1: York obviously. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the the Israel part of this is just amazing.

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Speaker 7: We've discussed it a few times on the show. I

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Speaker 7: just have to say, I mean, I think they emerge

1050
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Speaker 7: if the war goes as we think it will, I

1051
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Speaker 7: think Israel emerges as a kind of regional hedgemon at

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Speaker 7: that point.

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Speaker 1: Enough of edgemon that Turkey is afraid of them.

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Speaker 7: I think Turkey is already I mean, has to respect them.

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Speaker 7: But I think when i'm when I'm when I what

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Speaker 7: I mean, what I mean by regional hegemon is that

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Speaker 7: Israel will be capable of performing a lot of the

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Speaker 7: role that America does now in the region, which is

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Speaker 7: to sort of be the guaranteur of the stability and

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Speaker 7: this freedom of navigation. I think Israel has demonstrated that capability,

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Speaker 7: not immediately, but if you talk about this idea that's

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Speaker 7: been in our conversation now for a quarter century, America

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Speaker 7: has to pivot to Asia to kind of meet the

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Speaker 7: moment against the Chinese communists.

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Speaker 1: This might be our ticket to doing that. Now. Do

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Speaker 1: you think you're getting rid of that issue? Is only

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Speaker 1: ten million people? I think sometimes nine million work for

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Speaker 1: the masade, but it's not the case. Do you think

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Speaker 1: they have Turkey as penetrated as they do Ron.

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Speaker 7: That's a great question, and I don't want to answer

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Speaker 7: it just yet, but I would say this, if it's

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Speaker 7: not the case now, it will be the case within

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Speaker 7: a few years.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'm coming back with Eli Lake for one

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Speaker 1: more segment after the break. I'll talk to him during

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Speaker 1: the break as well. Don't forget Breaking History has been

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Speaker 1: his brand new episode. His dropped on breaking rad when

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Speaker 1: kids become political radicals, and boy, there's a bad case

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Speaker 1: right now. Do not miss it. It's over at the

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Speaker 1: Free Press website. You can also get wherever podcasts are available.

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Speaker 1: Eli's coming right back one more segment on the air,

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Speaker 1: and I'll talk to him during the break as well.

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Speaker 1: Stay tuned when I come back, Eli Lake, I am

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Speaker 1: going to ask you on the network where you get

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Speaker 1: your information from that you rely on. Okay, But now

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Speaker 1: I want to get your prediction. Guy Benson and I

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Speaker 1: were talking about when the war will wrap up, and

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Speaker 1: he was a little bit stunned when I said, by June,

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Speaker 1: I put no stock in estimates from anyone, even Trump,

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Speaker 1: because nobody knows because the enemy gets are saying this too.

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Speaker 1: But by June, the massive firepower that has been accumulated

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Speaker 1: by then will have crushed everything there is to crush,

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Speaker 1: and the straits will be open. What is your prediction, Well,

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Speaker 1: I would look at it like this.

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Speaker 7: I think that there will be a phase of combat

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Speaker 7: operations that will come to a close, and it may

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Speaker 7: be as long as June, it may be sooner, maybe

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Speaker 7: a little later, and I don't necessarily know, but that's

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Speaker 7: one way let's look at that. That's the big American

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Speaker 7: join Israeli flying sorties all that. Then there's another phase

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Speaker 7: which I think we have to keep in mind. Israel

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Speaker 7: has Iran wired that Mosad appear to be everywhere.

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Speaker 1: There are a number of relationships that Israel.

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Speaker 7: Has made over the years with various ethnic factions within

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Speaker 7: Iran and other opposition groups.

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Speaker 1: I think, and I think that then there will be

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Speaker 1: a real.

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Speaker 7: Push once the bombs stopped dropping, which is what Trump

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Speaker 7: and Nana who have said all along, to then foment

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Speaker 7: or rekindle the energy that we saw at the.

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Speaker 1: Beginning of the year.

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Speaker 7: And that I think is really interesting because Israel's demonstrated

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Speaker 7: that they already control drones that are armed that can

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Speaker 7: take out besides a tech checkpoints in Tehran. They've shown

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Speaker 7: that they've shown that capability.

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Speaker 1: So then you have.

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Speaker 7: This prospect that I think we talked about before of

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Speaker 7: a velvet revolution of sorts in Iran, but with close

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Speaker 7: air support from Israel, and I would love to see it,

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Speaker 7: and I think that that image will be the real

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Speaker 7: end of the war. That might not be for six months,

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Speaker 7: it might not be for a year. I think that's

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Speaker 7: a little long, but that's how I look at it.

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Speaker 7: The real end of the war is when the Iranian

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Speaker 7: people finally take their country back, and of course the

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Speaker 7: Islamic Revolution of seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about kinetic action major. I don't think Trump

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Speaker 1: will leave anything left that can be bombed or shun coom.

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Speaker 1: We'll say to him, finally, sure, we're bouncing rubble now

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Speaker 1: and we can't waste the munitions we need him in

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Speaker 1: the Pacific. When do you think that point comes?

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Speaker 7: It's hard to say, because I think you have to

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Speaker 7: look at two things. One is the straight up permus

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Speaker 7: that's got to be You got to have a situation

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Speaker 7: where the Iranians can no longer threaten to close it

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Speaker 7: or threaten the vessels that go through. So he's got

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Speaker 7: to solve that problem before he can end the war.

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Speaker 7: And the second thing is is the you know the

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Speaker 7: four or five hundred I forget the exact number kilograms

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Speaker 7: of enriched uranium that are at the bottom of these,

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Speaker 7: you know, underground facilities and Naton's Fourdeaux and Isfahan. He's

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Speaker 7: got to make sure he we got to get that.

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Speaker 7: I think he wants that. I think that's that. Those

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Speaker 7: are the two things I wanted I would see to

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Speaker 7: look as at the end of the kinetic operations.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll be right back with Eli. Like Shay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Tear around about Pepa queen news. Bought of clean clothes

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Speaker 1: you don't need to wear. A man of Welcome Back

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Speaker 1: America subtraining Homesick Blues by Bob Dylan. Noticed the weathermen

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Speaker 1: in that that's the originals. Yeah, I had a letter.

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Speaker 1: I have a letter from Tom Ayden that ends with

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Speaker 1: don't you don't need a weatherman to know which way

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Speaker 1: the wind blows? Tom? Because he was mayor. He ran

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Speaker 1: from mayor in LA. When I was doing the nightly

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Speaker 1: news there Eli, we got five minutes. I listened to

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Speaker 1: Aaron McClain yesterday with a couple of great guests, you know,

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Speaker 1: Richard Goldberg and another great guy and informed speculation is smart.

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Speaker 1: So I like listening to school war. Who do you

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Speaker 1: listen to? What do you read to get information on

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Speaker 1: the Iran war?

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Speaker 7: I was, I got a I got a list. The

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Speaker 7: first of all Iran International. Iran International has I think

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Speaker 7: real coverage, not just of Iran's internal opposition, but they

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Speaker 7: do have a way of getting the information out of

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Speaker 7: the country, even when there's an Internet blackout. It's always

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Speaker 7: worth reading them, and so that's at the top of

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Speaker 7: my list. Iran International Commander. They had a great interview, terrific. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

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Speaker 7: I love that. And A Meet Sagal Nadava Yel you

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Speaker 7: know them, probably from Dan Senor's great Call Me Back.

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Speaker 7: We are now publishing at the Free Press. A Meet

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Speaker 7: Sagal's daily newsletter. I highly recommend it. He gets very

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Speaker 7: good stuff. He's very reliable, and so I like a

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Speaker 7: Meet Sagala. I like anything in David A y'all does now.

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Speaker 7: I still think you have to read the Journal, the Times,

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Speaker 7: You have to read the big American newspapers even if

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Speaker 7: you even though I think they have done you know,

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Speaker 7: they've put a bit of spin on the ball. At

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Speaker 7: the same time, I think that they have the ability

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Speaker 7: and they have the resources to get to kind of

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Speaker 7: pull out important scoops.

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Speaker 1: It's important to know that. And then you know, I

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Speaker 1: got to say I have started to really monitor. I

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Speaker 1: have a list. I'm not going to give you the

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Speaker 1: names right now.

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Speaker 7: I can maybe private vite lator, but there's a lot

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Speaker 7: you can get on x from Iranians who are not

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Speaker 7: in Iran but are in constant contact. That's not necessarily

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Speaker 7: for like news, it's social media, but it can give

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Speaker 7: you a sense of kind of where the mood is

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Speaker 7: and where people are. And this is very important because

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Speaker 7: you know, you'll there are stories that suggest that I

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Speaker 7: think Iranians are very fearful, but if that's all you

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Speaker 7: get that, if they're very fearful at this point, you're

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Speaker 7: not getting the whole story. What they're afraid of is

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Speaker 7: that the war ends and then the whatever's left of

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Speaker 7: the regime takes it out on the Iranian people. So

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Speaker 7: that to me is a message to keep going and

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Speaker 7: make sure that we understand that the war isn't done

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Speaker 7: until we have a new regime.

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 1: In the day of the war began, the free press

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Speaker 1: recognized the demand signal, the bat signal, and they got

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Speaker 1: Neil fergus They got you, Ferguson, they got you, They

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Speaker 1: got everybody Aviv was on. Did they realize the demand

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Speaker 1: signal is still up? I think if you ran that

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Speaker 1: weekend gathering every weekend, you would own the interwebs. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the demand signal for serious informed speculation. Informed speculation is

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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. If Aaron McClain was on CBS

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Speaker 1: for an hour, I'd watch it. Do the news media

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Speaker 1: understand that serious people really want to know what's going on?

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Speaker 1: We understand this moment in history.

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Speaker 7: We definitely do with the free press. Just to give

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Speaker 7: the Hugh Hewett audience a sense. I was supposed to

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Speaker 7: in the month of March be off of print and

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Speaker 7: just focused on the next full season of Breaking History.

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Speaker 1: And as soon as the war started, literally.

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Speaker 7: On the twenty eighth of February, I had a phone

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Speaker 7: call with Oliver Weisman, my editor, and he said, Allie said,

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Speaker 7: you know, you can't.

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Speaker 1: We need you for the war.

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Speaker 7: And I'm like, I know, and I'm by the way,

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Speaker 7: a happy warrior in that regard, because I think it's

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Speaker 7: such an important, you know, hinge of history story. So

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Speaker 7: to me, you know, we'll get back to the breaking

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Speaker 7: history thing. But yeah, no, I think we definitely understand it,

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Speaker 7: and we've had some great stuff. We had Yoev Gallant

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Speaker 7: was really good this week. You should read that on

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Speaker 7: the importance of taking carg Island.

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Speaker 1: I believe that the Free press has set the standard

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Speaker 1: for good coverage. But what I really want is more

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Speaker 1: podcasting from you, from Aaron McLain, from a commentary. I

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Speaker 1: hate it. In fact, my reflex is when the commentary

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Speaker 1: podcast talks about anything other than the war, I get

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Speaker 1: mad at it because you know, I'm normally interested in everything,

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Speaker 1: but all I wanted to do is talk about the war,

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Speaker 1: because this is it's like the Berlin Wall falling and

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Speaker 1: they're covering, you know how the magazine subscription is doing. No, No, well,

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Speaker 1: can I come about I give.

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Speaker 7: A little preview? Yeah, because I've gotten the message. Next week,

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Speaker 7: early in the week we just recorded it. There is

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Speaker 7: a long form conversation with me and Aviv on his

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Speaker 7: really deep thinking on the theory of muk Ohama or

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Speaker 7: kind of permanent revolution, and I think it'll it's all

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Speaker 7: about the war, It's all about the implications. So I'm

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Speaker 7: really excited about It's a good conversation.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait to hear the episode ninety three and

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Speaker 1: ninety nine of Asked Aviv Anything are the introduction to

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Speaker 1: what will be the seminar that Eli will conduct with

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Speaker 1: the Vive Ready Gore next week. You should subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the Free Press because it really does take the Shariot

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Speaker 1: stuff seriously. Eli, thank you for your extra time today.

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Speaker 1: Shabbat Shalom and follow him at Eli Lake and I'll

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Speaker 1: be back right after this. America Staytion