1 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm really happy to have a guest who is an 2 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:24,319 Speaker 1: expert on the Mexican cartels and their influence also in 3 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: the United States. I'm talking to Victor Galarza. He's been 4 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: in law enforcement since twenty eleven. He's a decorated detective 5 00:00:33,880 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: sergeant supervisor of the Narcotics Division unit in the Southwest 6 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: region of Colorado. He's been credited with some of the 7 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: largest narcotics investigations. He's also currently vice president for Colorado 8 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: Drug Investigators Association. A former Mexican diplomat in the US, 9 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: Victor Galarza has been He's had experience in the Mexican Navy. 10 00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: The Mexican Army also investigated a number of cartels, going 11 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: way back to the Guadalajara Cartel, but also more recently 12 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:12,039 Speaker 1: the Lasztas Cartel, the Sinaloa Cartel, and others. Victor, what 13 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: a pleasure. Thank you for joining me. Let me begin 14 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: by asking you about the cartels. President Trump said recently 15 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: that you know, he was talking about Claudia Scheinbaum, and 16 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: he goes, well, she's a very nice lady, but he goes, 17 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: but she doesn't run Mexico. The cartels run Mexico and 18 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: This is, of course an. 19 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 2: Idea many of us have. 20 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: The cartels are kind of a state within a state. 21 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 1: Is that an accurate description of the cartels? How powerful 22 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 1: are they really? 23 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: That is absolutely correct. The Mexican transnational criminal organization, some 24 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: of which have being classified now as foreign terrorist organizations, 25 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: are without doubt the number one criminal threat to the 26 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 3: United States in certain parts of Mexico, anywhere between thirty 27 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 3: five to forty five percent of the entire national country. 28 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 3: They controlled that area, and they control it from military, 29 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 3: they control it from state and local governments, and they 30 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: have influence all the way to the top. That will 31 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: be correct. 32 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: So this is a very striking thing you just said, 33 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: and it actually reminds me of something that I heard 34 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: from the Salvadoran president Bukele. He said, you know, hey, 35 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: if you go to Europe, he goes, there's crime over there. 36 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: But you can't say that the criminal organizations control the 37 00:02:35,639 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: south of France or that they control Rome. They don't 38 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: actually control territory. They operate within territory. But I think 39 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: what you're saying is that in Mexico, and perhaps this 40 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: is true in other parts of Latin and South America 41 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: as well, you have these cartels that actually control whole 42 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: regions of the country. 43 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: That is correct. They operate under as system called the 44 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:03,559 Speaker 3: plan a system. The word plus in Spanish is jurisdiction, 45 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 3: and they control these areas within punity. That would be correct. 46 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 2: Can you explain how this comes to be? 47 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: And I say that because again coming back to something 48 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:20,399 Speaker 1: Bouquele said which struck me. He said, look, who's more 49 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: powerful the national government or some criminal syndicate. He goes, 50 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: national government has an army, it has a navy, it 51 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: has an air force. He goes, the national government is 52 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: obviously more powerful. And therefore, if the cartels are running 53 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: parts of the country, or maybe even all of the country, 54 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: that has to be because the government is letting them 55 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: do it, or because they have somehow infiltrated the government. 56 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: So is that what's happened in Mexico. 57 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: You can describe a Mexican government that's incredibly powerful. They 58 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: have a very capable army, they have a very capable navy. However, 59 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 3: the question is do they want to operate against these 60 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: groups that control local government, state government, and influenced all 61 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 3: the way to the top. Some years ago, I have 62 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 3: a good friend of which I'm not going to mention 63 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: his name a colonel in the Mexican Navy. And when 64 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 3: I go over and I ask him, how come we 65 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: are not done with this fight against these groups? And 66 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 3: very simply what he answered, word for word is they 67 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: don't let us talking about the Mexican federal government due 68 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 3: to the influences that these foreign terrorist organizations. And let's 69 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 3: be very clear, I don't like using the word cartel. 70 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: They are in fact foreign terrorist organizations that have now 71 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: cost the life of over four hundred and sixty thousand Mexicans, 72 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 3: let alone the one hundred and sixty thousand Americans that 73 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 3: have been killed due to the overdose of very legal 74 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 3: narcotics being brought into the United States. 75 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: And is the main weapon that these terrorist organizations terrorist cartels? 76 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: Is their main weapon bribery or is it fear? In 77 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: other words, what is the most powerful mechanism that they 78 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: use to have influence within the Mexican government. Is it 79 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: that they're paying people off or is it that the 80 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 1: government officials are scared of them? 81 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 3: I guess it all depends on which organization you're talking 82 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 3: about today. Let's let's or let's talk about instance. We 83 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 3: just saw the killing of elementa the leader of this group, 84 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: and I can tell you that as we speak right now, 85 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: there's a new leader that just took over that organization. 86 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: That organization was known to have in their pockets local 87 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: state and even national military law enforcement and members of 88 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: the military in their pockets. So were they willing to 89 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: throw money at what they call their problem, their influence, 90 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 3: their political ability to influence these areas, Yes, they would 91 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 3: throw money to it. But if we talk about another group, 92 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 3: Cartel Noste, which is a splinter group from the old 93 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 3: Cetas Cartel Cetas Cartel no longer exists. Now you have 94 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: two branches. One is Cartel, the fourth largest most powerful 95 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 3: criminal organization in Mexico. They're a little more well not 96 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 3: a little more, they are definitely more vicious, more violent, 97 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 3: and they would throw bullets plommeo instead of plata silver 98 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:30,919 Speaker 3: to the problem. 99 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: Would it be accurate to say that Mexican citizens pretty 100 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: much throughout the country are aware of this problem and 101 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: operate with a certain level of fear by recognizing that 102 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: it's a problem that can at any time kind of 103 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: come to their front door. In other words, somebody could 104 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: be kidnapped, or somebody could be caught in the crossfire. 105 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 2: How serious is this a. 106 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: Problem in the ordinary fabric of Mexican life? 107 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 3: And again, it all depends on the region that you're 108 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: talking about. Again, it's between thirty five and forty five 109 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 3: percent of these national territory that these organizations control. In 110 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: some of these places they act as narco populists. They 111 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 3: provide food, they provide healthcare, they provide during COVID nineteen, 112 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: they provided all the necessary areams that the Mexican government 113 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 3: is not providing to the people that resided in those 114 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 3: specific areas. In some places they call him Los Baliantes 115 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 3: the brave ones, because they're narco populous. They act on 116 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: behalf of the people of that specific area. But if 117 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 3: you go to other areas of conflict, let's say Sinaloa, 118 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 3: let's say Noble Leon, Tamaulipas, around the border area now 119 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 3: in Sonora, you have areas where, yes, it is a 120 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: place where people are terrified of what could happen at 121 00:07:58,520 --> 00:07:59,679 Speaker 3: any moment in time. 122 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, Victor, when you talked about these narco populists, 123 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: in some ways, it reminds me of a group like Hamas, 124 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: because at some level you have organizations, terrorist organizations, that. 125 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: In Hamasa's case, of course they were able to win 126 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: an election in the early two thousands in Gaza. 127 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 2: But of course you also have terrorist groups like. 128 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: ISIS which do beheading this kind of exhibitionist violence. They 129 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: use tunnels, for example, to hide hostages, and I understand 130 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: that tunneling is also one of the ways in which 131 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: some of these cartels are able to borrow their way 132 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: into the United States. Can you talk about the eerie similarities. 133 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's not surprising to you because you 134 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: see the cartels as terrorist organizations, so maybe it's not 135 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: such a big surprise that they resemble the terrorist strategies 136 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: that we identify with them. 137 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 3: At least that's correct. In fact, two, just when Elmento died, 138 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 3: they took over twenty different well not took over, but 139 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: there was twenty different states of the national territory that 140 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 3: were influenced with that violence. February twenty second to February 141 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: twenty six, twenty states of the entire nation were engulfed 142 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 3: in fire, just due to the fact that the leader 143 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 3: had been killed. We go back to twenty and nineteen, 144 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: during an event called El Kuliakanaso, the fight for the 145 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 3: city of Kuliacan. The city is three hundred and fifty 146 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 3: thousand people strong, a very rich city, very influential city, 147 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,320 Speaker 3: the capital city of the state of Sinaloa. When the 148 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: son of a Chapeul Guzman, Oviedio Guzman, was temporarily detained, 149 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 3: the armies and I say again, the armies of La Chapizza, 150 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 3: which is the faction of Lochapitos. Los Chapitos is the 151 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: leaders of the group that splinter from the Sinaloa cartel. 152 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 3: The entire group is known as Lachapizza. The leadership is 153 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: known as Los Chiapitos. They were able to initiate a 154 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 3: takeover of the entire capital city, blocking roadways, taking over 155 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 3: the local prison, taking kidnapping, went into a military base, 156 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 3: a Mexican federal military base, and kidnapped federal families, law 157 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 3: enforcement and military officers, and threatened the Mexican government, if 158 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 3: you do not release Obilio Guzman, we will start killing. 159 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: At that point in time, the Mexican President Amlo Andres 160 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:41,440 Speaker 3: Manuel Lopez Rador said you are powerful enough, off ware, 161 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: we will release him. And that was that they released him. 162 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: That's how powerful these groups are. Yes they do have armies, 163 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: and yes they affiliated with a multiple all of their 164 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 3: criminal organizations, not just in Mexico, not just in the 165 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 3: United States, not just in Canada, but throughout the entire world. 166 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: There is a view in America that the cartel's main 167 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: commodity is drugs, and that somehow if drugs were legalized 168 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: in the United States, this would create a kind of 169 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: market for drugs, the government would regulate it, and some 170 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: of this drug violence would abate or maybe even go away. 171 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: My instinct is that is the wrong way to think 172 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: about this, and that the cartels are into, first of all, 173 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: a lot of other things besides drugs. Can you elaborate 174 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 1: why drug legalization is perhaps not a solution to this problem. 175 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: Well, that's the reason why I don't like to call 176 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 3: them cartels. The definition of cartel is a conglamortive individuals 177 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 3: that come together to with their various expertises, to keep 178 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: control of one product, a monopoly. And at that point 179 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 3: in time when a cartel was first named or created 180 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: in Mexico, that was the al Jada Carta. Yes, there 181 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: were experts at the production manufacturing at the beginning of marijuana. 182 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: Eventually they got into the game with cocaine. Nowadays, these 183 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 3: organizations are more have expanded their business models. Not only 184 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: are they doing drug trafficking, but they do motor vehicle theft, 185 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 3: They do train robberies, they do the theft of wildlife, 186 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 3: the trafficking of wildlife. Not too long ago in Mexico, 187 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: I'm not going to say exactly where, but I was 188 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: offered to purchase a Mexican brown and dangered ego for 189 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 3: twenty five thousand dollars. They go after certain fish plotters, 190 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 3: which they send them over to China through the Vancouver 191 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 3: Port in Canada and eventually bring the precursors of crystal 192 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 3: meth and fetamine and fentanyl into Mexico to produce what 193 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,400 Speaker 3: we know here in the US as the demand of fentanyl. 194 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,439 Speaker 3: They do child pornography. Mexico's one of the largest producers 195 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 3: of child exploitation material in the entire planet. They do 196 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: human trafficking, obviously organ trafficking. Nowadays, now that the US 197 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 3: border has been almost completely secured I'm not going to 198 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: say completely secured, but secured at the southern border, they 199 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,439 Speaker 3: have to change that business model. So instead of focusing 200 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: on illegal immigration and human smuggling, now a specific group, 201 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: the Cartelacon new duration cartels. Now they're having young women 202 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: from Latin America who are pregnant. They bring into their organization, 203 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 3: they keep control of them. They force labor by sea section. 204 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: The females do the ladies do not survive the sea section. 205 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: They take the child and they sell it in the 206 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: block market for eighteen hundred dollars. They will do anything 207 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: and everything to make a buck. So no, these are 208 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 3: not drug cartels. These are foreign terrorist organistas that operate 209 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: now in over one hundred countries around the world. 210 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: Talk about the cartel operations, and you understand, I'm using 211 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: cartel very much now in the way that you mean 212 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: just using the term. And you've talked about how they're 213 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: involved in Alaska, they're involved in Italy. So these are 214 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: very much international crime organizations. Talk about the influence in 215 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: the United States. Now, I'm assuming that in the Biden years, 216 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: with the border being a lot more porous, these people 217 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: had a much easier time of it. 218 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: Isn't that right? 219 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: I mean, they had an essentially free conveyance across the border. 220 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: And now I think you said a moment ago it's 221 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: more restricted. But who's to say that they don't already 222 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: have a considerable presence in the United States. 223 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: That would be correct. We estimate that there's about one 224 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: hundred seventy five thousand flag flying members of various different 225 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 3: criminal groups which we call foreign terrorist organizations and or 226 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 3: transnational criminal groups. Some of them, yes, they will be 227 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 3: operating right here in the United States, while in Mexico 228 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 3: they have a system that we now know as the 229 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: plus A system. That system does not work in the 230 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: United States. Give you an example the city of Albuquerque, 231 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: City of Albuquerque, which is not too far away from me, 232 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 3: that's called a hub of distribution, in which various members 233 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 3: of various criminal groups from Mexico have said station and 234 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 3: there they do the multiple different criminal enterprises that they're 235 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 3: involved in, including human trafficking, motor vehicle theft, train robbery, 236 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: yes right here in the United States. It just happened 237 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 3: in Flagstaff, Arizona, just last year. Motor vehicle theftfs I mentioned, 238 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 3: and yes, drug trafficking, drug trafficking which includes the very 239 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 3: popular substance which is crystal methin fetamine, crystal meth and fetamine. 240 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: In this case, what I'm holding right here is about 241 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: a pound of crystal method fetamine. This is just examples 242 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 3: of various investigations that we had. This today is one 243 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 3: hundred percent pure crystal methn fetamine. That is the risk 244 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 3: that we're facing today, one of the risks. The other 245 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: one would be a great example fentanyl, the fentanyl pills 246 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: which are out there, the fake oxycotton fentanyl pills. How 247 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 3: we know that the border is being secured and how 248 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: we know that this is working. Back in twenty nineteen, 249 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 3: I can make a telephone conversation, an undercover telephone conversation, 250 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 3: to various individuals in the city of al Kaque, and 251 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 3: I can order one of these pills for twenty five cents. 252 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 3: Twenty five cents a pill. Now the prices are going 253 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: up right now as we speak. If I were to 254 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: buy in book these pills, and this is just an example, 255 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 3: if I were to buy, let's say a thousand of 256 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 3: these little devils, these little pills that can kill a 257 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 3: human with no problem. Now it's costing me about a 258 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 3: dollar in fifty cents to two dollars. So the rise 259 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 3: and price tells us that that border is actually working, 260 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: that securing of the border is working. However, we still 261 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: don't need to do quite a lot of work. 262 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: What do you think Victor is the way to tackle 263 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: this immense problem that seems to have its headquarters in 264 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 1: parts of Mexico, but its tentacles reach all over the place. 265 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 1: Is it the case at the end that you have 266 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: to strike at the root of the problem and that 267 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 1: trying to tackle it in its subsidiaries is not going 268 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:52,639 Speaker 1: to work? Or do you need a kind of battle 269 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: at all levels in which you, on the one hand, 270 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: need to tackle the problem in the United States. 271 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 2: Trump is somehow employed. 272 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: That there may be a way to even strike at 273 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: the cartels in Mexico. I'm assuming that this would have 274 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: to be some kind of a joint operation with the 275 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: Mexican government. Do you foresee any of this even happening. 276 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, this problem has been with us for a while. 277 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: I would expect it's gotten worse. It's clearly not going 278 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: to be all that easy to root out. If Trump 279 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: were to call you right now and say, tell me 280 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: the first three things I need to do, what would 281 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: those be? 282 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: Continue the influence against the Mexican federal government by implementing 283 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: those terrorists, that's number one. For the last thirteen years 284 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 3: that I've been teaching about the subject, I have always said, 285 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 3: go to the cash cow of the Mexican government, which 286 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 3: that would be Pemis Petoleu's Mexicanos, Mexican Petroleum, Mexican Petroleum. 287 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 3: One way in the fight done by the mex and 288 00:18:55,560 --> 00:19:00,560 Speaker 3: themselves against these criminal groups also focus on the corruption, 289 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: the corruption from the very top to the very bottom. 290 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: And lastly, I would say, we need to secure our 291 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: well number three, we need to secure our border. Even more. 292 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: There is not only the southern border to Mexico to 293 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 3: the United States, but also the incredibly poorest border with 294 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 3: Canada and the United States, which these organizations have learned 295 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: to use as well. 296 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,440 Speaker 1: In past years, my wife and I have gone to Cabo, 297 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: we've gone to Puntameda, which is near Port of Iyarta, 298 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: and usually there is a sense of being in a 299 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: very safe environment. But when we talk to people, like 300 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: someone who works at a hotel and we say, hey, 301 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,120 Speaker 1: is there a cartel influence here? They go, oh, yes, 302 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: this most certainly is. It almost appears that for tourists, 303 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: for the most part, the cartels keep a sort of 304 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: a low profile. And maybe that's because the cartels invest 305 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: in these hotels. I'm not really sure. I mean, is 306 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: it safe for Americans to go to Mexico or should 307 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: Americans stay away. 308 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: I give you another perfect example. Myself took the wife 309 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 3: to a beautiful city is called San Miguel the Agende, 310 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 3: beautiful place. It's on the list of places that you 311 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 3: must go in your lifetime in the travel magazine. The 312 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: reason I wanted to go there is to prove self 313 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 3: censoring by these organizations, by the local and state government 314 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 3: stay self censored. 315 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: Uh. 316 00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: San Miguel the Agenda is a very beautiful colonial city 317 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 3: in which there's a lot of American and Canadian expats uh. 318 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 3: And my purpose of going there was to prove that 319 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 3: cj regnition was operating in that city. During my research. 320 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 3: During that time, I was able to come across a 321 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 3: get up by a get up by a sabindo of 322 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: at this pon time methanphetamine uh in the in the 323 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 3: bendle of methane. I mean it was stamped right there, 324 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 3: ho and Mexico made in Mexico CJNG with the name 325 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: of the city there is. The theory is that if 326 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: you do not put the information out there, it will 327 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 3: not harm tourism, which is a great economy for Mexico. 328 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 3: Obviously right now as we speak, due to the terroriffs 329 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: that have been placed again from the United States onto 330 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: Mexico and because of a drought. This is the first 331 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: time in fifteen years that Mexican agriculture has not made 332 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 3: it into the top four of their economies. Right now, 333 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:40,959 Speaker 3: we have manufacturing, PETROLUS, Mexicanos, Pemex oil, tourism. Those are 334 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 3: the big three at this point. So they don't want 335 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 3: to influence obviously their tourism. There are certain areas like 336 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 3: I said that, yes, you could travel, but you have 337 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,959 Speaker 3: to be very safe and you have to be very aware. 338 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: But can at any moment in time can that change? 339 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 3: Someone like us can go this is Chicago, beautiful city 340 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 3: to win the city, perfect place, but what's around the 341 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:08,880 Speaker 3: corner violence? So it all depends on where you travel 342 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 3: at one specific time. Do I suggest Americans travel right 343 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 3: now to Mexico as we speak. No, And that's another 344 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: thing I've been starting to talk about the Mexican Actually, 345 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 3: the Mexican government will be hosting the World Soccer in 346 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: the city capital city of Guadalajaa, in the capital city 347 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 3: of Mexico. Would there be a risk for people to 348 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:37,560 Speaker 3: go there and attend these games? Yes, there would be. 349 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it seems to me, Victor, that there is 350 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: an added dimension to this, because now if I go 351 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: to Chicago, I'm in the wrong neighborhood. I've got to 352 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: look over my shoulder. I've got to be very careful. 353 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 2: But on the other. 354 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: Hand, I at least have reasonable confidence. I mean, the 355 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: cops may be incompetent, maybe they avoid certain neighborhoods, but 356 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: I don't have to worry that the cops are in 357 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 1: it with the gangs, whereas it seems like in Mexico 358 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: a bigger worry is. I mean, on the one hand, 359 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: you have to worry about the bad guys, but on 360 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 1: the other hand, you have to worry that the good 361 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 1: guys may be in with the bad guys. 362 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, yes, there is a state of Champas the 363 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 3: secretary of security for the state, he was the number 364 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: one criminal mastermind of the group La Barada that was 365 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 3: under the leadership of CJNG. So yes, there might be 366 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 3: a rogue police elements. Absolutely yes. 367 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: Well, Victor, I want to thank you for the work 368 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: you've been doing to educate not just citizens but law 369 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 1: enforcement officials and dealing with a problem that requires a 370 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 1: lot of knowledge as well as a lot of expertise 371 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: I've been talking to Victor Galarza. 372 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 2: Victor, thank you very much for joining me. 373 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Be safe. 374 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: Listen. 375 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 1: When you need prescription medication, you don't want to wait 376 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 1: weeks for a doctor's appointment. You want it fast. 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