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Speaker 3: Hour two is underway, and it is the hour that
Speaker 3: everybody's been waiting for the results of our twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five turning.
Speaker 2: Point Action Amfest draw pole.
Speaker 3: So this is something we do at every Amfest, and
Speaker 3: we've got the we've got a major publication that's going
Speaker 3: to go live with it in just a second as well.
Speaker 3: And here to unpack what we found from this straw
Speaker 3: pole is the one and only Rich Bars Big Data
Speaker 3: Pole who conducted it on our behalf.
Speaker 2: Rich welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me as always.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well let's let's start.
Speaker 3: Let's start with your your reaction, your experience at Amfest.
Speaker 3: You were there, you you and Mark Mitchell led a
Speaker 3: breakout just you know, thirty thousand foot view. What was
Speaker 3: it like in there and maybe what what's the disconnect
Speaker 3: between maybe what some people are saying.
Speaker 2: Line versus what you experienced in person.
Speaker 4: Well, first visually and I know I actually noticed to
Speaker 4: be a fact, but visually this looked like the biggest
Speaker 4: Amfest ever and you could see it if you've been
Speaker 4: to an Amfest before, this one was just as a
Speaker 4: matter of attendance and everything that was going on was huge.
Speaker 4: It was huge. So congratulations on that. Because we're talking
Speaker 4: about a massive attendance folks. And secondly, you know, the
Speaker 4: biggest thing that'll stand out is, you know, the media
Speaker 4: narrative and the infighting that they projected was going on
Speaker 4: over there, and we'll see this with the results of
Speaker 4: the Straw Pole. Yeah, people debate, and that's what turning
Speaker 4: point has always been about. But people there, people in attendance, right,
Speaker 4: and and the folks that were talking and interacting with
Speaker 4: people agree on so much more. I mean, that's what
Speaker 4: it comes to this, that's the biggest disconnect that the
Speaker 4: media as usual always projects. There was a lot more
Speaker 4: agreement than there was disagreement.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you so some top level marks that you
Speaker 3: were just telling me about is so this was the
Speaker 3: youngest straw Pole result based on just who took the poll, right,
Speaker 3: it was. It skewed the youngest of any that we've
Speaker 3: ever had, because you know, even we struggle sometimes rich
Speaker 3: with getting the students to take the darn straw Pole,
Speaker 3: this time we got lots lots Just the average age
Speaker 3: of who took the poll was younger. So it's actually
Speaker 3: going to give us a more interesting insight in some
Speaker 3: ways about where younger Americans, younger conservative voters younger, younger
Speaker 3: base voters where their heads are at right now. And
Speaker 3: it was also the most response responses that we've ever
Speaker 3: gotten at a straw pole. And what's which remarkable of
Speaker 3: remarkable about that, Rich, is that you know, we intentionally
Speaker 3: delayed this until we sent it out overnight after day
Speaker 3: three and into day four. We wanted people to have
Speaker 3: this full experience before we asked them these questions. So
Speaker 3: the response rate on a relatively short term was pretty remarkable. Well,
Speaker 3: what just explain that from a polster's perspective, Rich, Well.
Speaker 4: Straw poles can be a bit of a polster's nightmare,
Speaker 4: right because as the polster, you like, I want to
Speaker 4: start early, I want to get this going, but you
Speaker 4: also want people to have the experience before they answer
Speaker 4: some of these questions. And honestly, it'll become very evident
Speaker 4: when we show people some of the questions, right why
Speaker 4: we want people to hear things first, which can be
Speaker 4: challenging because for people who are taking it and the polster,
Speaker 4: because you are now limiting yourself on the reaction time,
Speaker 4: so we expect a certain percentage and just from experience,
Speaker 4: we know what that is. This blew up and you
Speaker 4: said it, and I was going to say it if
Speaker 4: you didn't. This is the biggest America Fest st Straw
Speaker 4: Pole ever. It's a very large sample, which means, folks,
Speaker 4: it's representative, it's statistically significant. So I was over the moon,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean as a polster, I was over
Speaker 4: the moon when I you know, one minute you're logging in,
Speaker 4: you're seeing the responses come in. The minute you see
Speaker 4: an explosion. So I think too. It also tells you
Speaker 4: that the respondents Andrew also, we're kind of hanging back
Speaker 4: and saying, let me, you know, let me open it up.
Speaker 4: I'll take what I think I can. We always give
Speaker 4: people a little bit of time to complete it, and
Speaker 4: then once they had the experience, they felt it was
Speaker 4: sufficient for them. They they all filled it out almost
Speaker 4: at once. On that last day a huge amount came in,
Speaker 4: which was great for us, It really was. It was great.
Speaker 3: So, you know, I'm toying with everybody wants to know
Speaker 3: the the who do we want as our twenty twenty
Speaker 3: eight GOP nominee.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 3: Anybody's you know, I'm toying with delaying it, but I
Speaker 3: think we just have to, you know, I think we
Speaker 3: just have to review the reveal here, Rich, what is
Speaker 3: not surprising is who won, but what is surprising is
Speaker 3: by what margin. So you know, drum roll please, studio.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and throw up image one sixty six.
Speaker 3: Who does the am Fest attendees? Who do they want?
Speaker 3: As their twenty twenty eight GOP to twenty eight And
Speaker 3: that big old bar right at the top is, of
Speaker 3: course jd.
Speaker 2: Vance.
Speaker 3: The next closest was Marco Rubio, the great Secretary of
Speaker 3: State in the Trump administration.
Speaker 2: Rich, break this down.
Speaker 3: Jd Vance is by is running away with the who
Speaker 3: do we want as the twenty twenty eight GOP nominee.
Speaker 3: Explained the significance of that of that graph.
Speaker 4: And the consistency of him pulling at that level. I
Speaker 4: don't think he ever pulled below seventy five percent, folks.
Speaker 4: That's well over a super majority. And I will tell
Speaker 4: you this, Like we said, just a moment ago, there
Speaker 4: were people who were waiting back, waiting to see and
Speaker 4: when the Vice president gave his speech, it just went
Speaker 4: to that level. Never looked back. I mean, it was
Speaker 4: you know, some people you know, sitting back. I can't
Speaker 4: wait to see what the vice president has to say.
Speaker 4: This has never happened, Andrew, this is never I've done
Speaker 4: a lot of straw polls at a lot of different events,
Speaker 4: We've done a lot of amfest ones. Right, this has
Speaker 4: never happened. There has never been such widespread agreement over
Speaker 4: because what are they really telling you when they're picking
Speaker 4: who they want for the future nominee? Right, what is
Speaker 4: the base? What is the turning point? Family telling you
Speaker 4: this is the direction we want to go in the future.
Speaker 4: This is what we want for the future of the movement,
Speaker 4: for the future of the party. And there are you know,
Speaker 4: the media wanted to talk about all of the different
Speaker 4: factions in the in the coalition. Right, this is near.
Speaker 4: You know, it's nearly unanimous, It's overwhelming. And we asked
Speaker 4: a lot of other questions. It doesn't matter what the
Speaker 4: answers for different demographic groups, how one favored other something
Speaker 4: over the other. It doesn't matter when it comes to
Speaker 4: this question, who do you want for your nominee? Everybody
Speaker 4: is in agreement. There's not a single group that's disconnected
Speaker 4: or has a different opinion. You know, always this is statistics.
Speaker 4: You're always going to have marginal support for something over another. Right,
Speaker 4: I mean That's just the way it works. This is about,
Speaker 4: as you know, uniformity as you get close to your
Speaker 4: informative as.
Speaker 3: You get so just so people have the exact numbers,
Speaker 3: it's eighty four point two percent chose jd Vance, YEP
Speaker 3: four point eight percent, so just under five percent chose
Speaker 3: Marco Rubio, two point nine percent chose Ron DeSantis, one
Speaker 3: point eight percent chose Don Junior, point three percent chose
Speaker 3: Ted Cruz, and point four percent chose Younkin.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure why the orders got swipped.
Speaker 3: Swapped there, but so that is basically the field you
Speaker 3: know undecided was it two point five percent and that
Speaker 3: we had three point one percent ride ins, right, So
Speaker 3: I don't know if there was anybody worth mentioning in
Speaker 3: the right in section rich, but that that is, you know,
Speaker 3: the field that people most predict for twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 4: There is something worth worth mentioning, all right, and that
Speaker 4: is there is there are more than a few responses
Speaker 4: for Donald J. Trump for a third term. Right, But again,
Speaker 4: I mean you're gonna get that some and that just
Speaker 4: shows you how much the president is loved right by
Speaker 4: the base. But there's outside of that, you know, there's
Speaker 4: a representation to libertarian wing. You get a few for
Speaker 4: Thomas Massey and stuff like that, but it's not you know,
Speaker 4: you can see the percentage guys collectively, what that comes to.
Speaker 4: It's still not that much. I mean, this poll, the
Speaker 4: results of this poll are very clear. We don't get
Speaker 4: results like this. It just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: Hey, Rich, have a question in the history of a
Speaker 3: turning point straw pole that you've conducted, have we ever
Speaker 3: seen a question like this get you know, have a
Speaker 3: front lawn runner with this much margin of victory.
Speaker 4: Nope, That's what I was just about to say. Especially,
Speaker 4: I mean, could you imagine this early We did turning
Speaker 4: point straw poles going into twenty four even and it
Speaker 4: was a robust field. There's some pretty you know, significant
Speaker 4: debate between who do we want Ron destand this do
Speaker 4: we want President Trump? President Trump was always winning that,
Speaker 4: uh and winning it overwhelmingly. But is this early particularly
Speaker 4: It's not because we don't have a vision of where
Speaker 4: other candidates would take the party, Andrew, That's not what's
Speaker 4: going on here. It's that people do understand the differences
Speaker 4: and in whatever you know, minor or major that may be,
Speaker 4: they understand it. They are choosing JD Events. They're choosing
Speaker 4: the vice president.
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Speaker 3: From the big day. I'm very excited about that. So, Blake,
Speaker 3: I promised you that you were going.
Speaker 2: To get to do the big reveal.
Speaker 3: It is about to be about ready to be thrown up,
Speaker 3: so I don't know, you want to take it away, Blake.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it'll be ready by the time I get
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 6: We were we actually ready shopping what questions to put
Speaker 6: into the straw pole. We just did it the night
Speaker 6: I think Saturday night. We were talking I can out
Speaker 6: what's to put into it, and obviously we had the stuff.
Speaker 6: We've had debates over the past year about America's relationship
Speaker 6: with Israel, how it relates to stuff in the Middle East.
Speaker 5: We had people bring it up on stage.
Speaker 6: It was a recurring theme in our member exclusive interviews,
Speaker 6: so we just said throw in to the attendees, what
Speaker 6: best describes what your view of Israel as do you
Speaker 6: view them as our number one ally as just one
Speaker 6: ally of many, or do you think they're not an
Speaker 6: American ally, which some prominent figures have said. And do
Speaker 6: we have that result ready to throw up? Yeah, let's
Speaker 6: throw up one seventy eight. And I think the result
Speaker 6: was pretty refreshing. You got you said. Thirty three percent
Speaker 6: said it was a top our top ally, fifty three
Speaker 6: percent went for one of many, and thirteen percent said
Speaker 6: not an ally, which I think you mentioned. It is
Speaker 6: the youngest group we've had at Amfest, and I think
Speaker 6: it does put into perspective. I think one ally of
Speaker 6: many it gets an outright majority. I think that would
Speaker 6: probably describe the position Charlie was in the over the
Speaker 6: last couple of years that they are a friendly country,
Speaker 6: they are a country we care about, but they're not
Speaker 6: necessarily this monomaniacal focus that we must be fixated on
Speaker 6: to the exclusion of other potential allies.
Speaker 5: And I think this also shows only thirteen percent say.
Speaker 6: Not an ally that they're hot, you know, basically at
Speaker 6: best in neutral or perhaps even a hostile country to us.
Speaker 6: This is a take you here, a lot online, It's
Speaker 6: a take you here a lot on X, It's a
Speaker 6: take some influencers really push. But I don't think it's
Speaker 6: really it's taking over the GOP in the way that
Speaker 6: a lot of critics have tried to argue.
Speaker 2: Yeah so so Rich.
Speaker 3: If you go online, you would be entirely surprised by
Speaker 3: the fact that it within you know, a statistically significant
Speaker 3: sample of the youngest and the youngest sample set that
Speaker 3: we've ever had from an amphis strapol that thirteen point
Speaker 3: three percent like you, if you went online, you would
Speaker 3: think it would be.
Speaker 2: Like fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3: What do you make of this pole result and what's
Speaker 3: your message to the GOP with this in mind?
Speaker 4: You know, neither Laur or I were surprised by this,
Speaker 4: and we were thinking and comparing it to what we
Speaker 4: see and that it really has been a trend with
Speaker 4: the general public, not just among you know, the base
Speaker 4: of the Republican Party. Look, the Internet is real, but
Speaker 4: it doesn't necessarily mean that it's really representative, right, I mean,
Speaker 4: that's the difference. People have to keep reminding themselves when
Speaker 4: they see these narrative wars and these pushes online. This
Speaker 4: is basically representative too of what we heard walking around
Speaker 4: and talking to people. I mean, Andrew and same thing
Speaker 4: with winning the mid terms. By the way, that was
Speaker 4: the number one question I got walking around talking with
Speaker 4: different people. They would say, oh, this is you know,
Speaker 4: great and I understand the debate, but we really, you know,
Speaker 4: what can we do to win? We want to win.
Speaker 4: That was overwhelming, well, just walking around the place, so
Speaker 4: a lot of this didn't surprise me. I do think though,
Speaker 4: that it is a bit of a wake up call
Speaker 4: to you know, the older guard of the GOP who
Speaker 4: are used to they've become there's an expectation, you know
Speaker 4: that Israel will get a always you know, like a
Speaker 4: bit of a privileged or special place in the conversation,
Speaker 4: and that's not where the future really sees our you know,
Speaker 4: uh when it comes to you know, where we prioritize
Speaker 4: our public, our foreign policy. That's just not the future
Speaker 4: that people see, especially among younger people. So not something
Speaker 4: they'll have to come to grip with it. But it
Speaker 4: doesn't mean there's this outward hatred or anti Semitism. It's
Speaker 4: just like, hey, look, we have been put last for
Speaker 4: a very long time. We just want to be put first,
Speaker 4: and we don't really think that, you know, questioning the
Speaker 4: old Orthodoxy or the right is a bad thing, and
Speaker 4: I'm not necessarily sure it is myself, Andrew, you know,
Speaker 4: to be.
Speaker 3: Honest, No, no, totally, I share some of that. I
Speaker 3: think you you articulated it well. And in our one Rich,
Speaker 3: I said, you know what's interesting about Amfest and turning
Speaker 3: point these conferences, we're looking to define the dominant core
Speaker 3: of a winning coalition, right right, the dominant center cut
Speaker 3: and so you're gonna get these really loud voices that
Speaker 3: want us to be anti Asrie.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get these really loud.
Speaker 3: Voices that want us to, you know, essentially say that
Speaker 3: Israel is the most important topic. You know that there is,
Speaker 3: because it's a proxy war for other things whatever. What
Speaker 3: we found here is that, you know what I my
Speaker 3: my takeaway from this pole, Rich, was that maybe a
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, maybe five ten before October twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, October seventh, that you maybe would have seen
Speaker 3: that chunk that said it's our top ally be a
Speaker 3: little larger. And where it looks like the consensus of
Speaker 3: the movement is really going is that hey, Israel is
Speaker 3: an ally and they're but they're one of many, and
Speaker 3: so let's just put our own country first. I think
Speaker 3: that is the new consensus that is emerging on the right,
Speaker 3: and that's an important insight to glean from this.
Speaker 2: I really believe that.
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Speaker 3: Without further Ado Rich, we got to get to these
Speaker 3: these other these other polls. Okay, these other pole questions,
Speaker 3: and I think they're really important. So we've already kind
Speaker 3: of mentioned what are the most important topics for people.
Speaker 3: Blake kind of already did the big reveal one sixty five.
Speaker 3: The winning the midterms is the most important by far.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and show that image one sixty five.
Speaker 3: All right, see how much it stands out. It's like,
Speaker 3: you know, it's a sore thumb right there. It is
Speaker 3: by far and away the number one topic. And to
Speaker 3: Blake's point, it kind of had me wishing we wouldn't
Speaker 3: have have done that, just so we could have seen
Speaker 3: what the other ones. But what we see behind it
Speaker 3: are voter integrity, voter idea at nine point three percent,
Speaker 3: the affordability crisis, which I'm not surprised at at eight
Speaker 3: point one percent, Mass deportations five point three percent, accountability
Speaker 3: for deep state law fair at four point two percent,
Speaker 3: rounding out the top five issues.
Speaker 2: In the midterm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, go ahead, Blake that ending the war in Ukraine
Speaker 6: dead last. I think, what is that point four percent?
Speaker 6: It's well under one percent.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I noticed that too. Ending the war in
Speaker 3: Ukraine is the last. Is the last, I think, because
Speaker 3: we're not sending the money like we used to be.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's what really I think brought it home
Speaker 3: for people, is it felt like we're in these we're
Speaker 3: running these huge deficits, We've got this huge tax burden,
Speaker 3: the economy sucks, and we're spending all our money on
Speaker 3: a war, you know, abroad to fight Putin.
Speaker 2: And that's what made it. Yeah, go ahead, Rich.
Speaker 4: Well, I was just gonna say, I think it's indicative
Speaker 4: of two things. One is how many problems people think
Speaker 4: that we have. Right that has to get before that,
Speaker 4: because I don't think there's much support out there for
Speaker 4: the Ukraine war anymore. And then two is I do
Speaker 4: think and I'm just from speaking to people about this,
Speaker 4: I think everybody pretty much sees the ends and so
Speaker 4: it's really kind of only a matter of time. Among
Speaker 4: the base anyway, they definitely do. Whereas you know, the public,
Speaker 4: that's a little bit that would be a different result
Speaker 4: if we were pulling the general public. But uh, as
Speaker 4: far as that, you know, not adding the winning the
Speaker 4: mid terms, I do hear what you guys are saying.
Speaker 4: But in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, I
Speaker 4: think I am glad we did this way because it
Speaker 4: does show that despite again what the media narrative was
Speaker 4: or was trying to spin, at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: like the turning point family wants to win, despite everything
Speaker 4: that they tried to showcase. Is the vision they want
Speaker 4: to win and the number The reason for that is
Speaker 4: simple because they know what's Unlike maybe some of the
Speaker 4: middle of the country, middle of the road and the
Speaker 4: and and less you know, politically active, you know, parts
Speaker 4: of our coalition, they don't understand what's going to happen
Speaker 4: if Democrats win, you know, I mean, that's what it
Speaker 4: comes down to. While the base does they know what
Speaker 4: what you know, what kind of turbulence if that's even
Speaker 4: the appropriate word. We're in for you know what's on
Speaker 4: the horizon there with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people get it, Yeah, they get it.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and throw this one, I thought was
Speaker 3: really really surprise me actually, and this was the what
Speaker 3: are the biggest threats facing the country? Let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and throw up one point sixty four biggest threats facing
Speaker 3: America right now and up at the top. Now, this
Speaker 3: was a rank order poll, so people could go one
Speaker 3: through whatever the number was, and by far radical Islam.
Speaker 2: Rich did this surprise you?
Speaker 3: Radical Islams, Socialism, Marxism is number two, Mass migration number three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, it did a little.
Speaker 4: But then when I was looking at it, I thought this,
Speaker 4: the first two that really are at the top of
Speaker 4: the rank distribution are ideologies that the base feels are
Speaker 4: just not compatible with the American ideal, the American way
Speaker 4: of life. And then everything else kind of is stem Yes,
Speaker 4: there are problems, there are social problems, they're economic problems,
Speaker 4: but if we could tackle this other thing first, which
Speaker 4: is that fundamentally we've been letting in a lot of
Speaker 4: people who are not really compatible or not you know that,
Speaker 4: and some of those other problems are stemming from that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, I did see where they were
Speaker 4: where they were coming from with this, and then when
Speaker 4: after you get past rank two into rank three through five,
Speaker 4: we start to see, you know, those other you know,
Speaker 4: more traditional things that we would expect people to say. So,
Speaker 4: you know, given that of course large faith based, you know,
Speaker 4: obviously this is a where there's a population that is
Speaker 4: extremely Christian, so they're extremely pro America, extremely nationalists, so
Speaker 4: they're looking at some of these ideas that over in
Speaker 4: the long term. Andrew, it's almost like some of the
Speaker 4: other things are just symptoms to a greater problem, and
Speaker 4: we have to deal with the greater problem.
Speaker 2: Blake, what's your take on the top five here?
Speaker 6: Number one is just a big testament frankly to Charlie,
Speaker 6: who was really fixated on that topic in the last
Speaker 6: few months of his life. He talked about it a lot,
Speaker 6: and I think he deserves some credit for really bringing
Speaker 6: it back. In some ways, you could say it feels
Speaker 6: like a time warp to two thousand and two or something,
Speaker 6: and then we went through a pretty long period where
Speaker 6: it was more in the background. Yet it still remains
Speaker 6: a concern. And the reason it's a concern is because
Speaker 6: of issue number three mass migration. We still we went
Speaker 6: to fight them over there so that we could then
Speaker 6: import them over here and then have to fight them
Speaker 6: here again. And Charlie really saw that when he was
Speaker 6: in the UK, he was really becoming concerned. It was
Speaker 6: hitting him We're going to have this very large, often
Speaker 6: very radical Islamic component to Western societies that just did
Speaker 6: not exist before.
Speaker 5: Fifteen twenty years ago.
Speaker 6: And I think he really did a lot of work
Speaker 6: to spread that awareness among the base. Besides that, I
Speaker 6: think it's really interesting that corrupt courts, so to speak,
Speaker 6: has broke.
Speaker 5: Into the top five.
Speaker 6: That's expressing this realization that the biggest obstacle to a
Speaker 6: lot of President Trump's core agenda, certainly on mass deportations
Speaker 6: or DEI, is this fact there's just judges who seem
Speaker 6: to have really taken it to heart that even if
Speaker 6: they have no legal basis, no constitutional basis for what
Speaker 6: they're doing, they can gum up the process for years
Speaker 6: on end.
Speaker 2: They have.
Speaker 6: If you need the Supreme Court to step in for
Speaker 6: anything the president wants to do, you can really slow
Speaker 6: down the agenda in a big way.
Speaker 5: I was most surprised.
Speaker 6: Besides, I was really surprised that low fertility finished second
Speaker 6: from last. That was a big topic Charlie's talked about.
Speaker 5: It's a big thing.
Speaker 6: A lot of people have talked about the need to
Speaker 6: revive the American family, the need for people to have
Speaker 6: more kids. But we didn't successfully get it out of
Speaker 6: the base on this pole. It was right there, just
Speaker 6: only above technology and AI as a concern for America.
Speaker 4: Can I can I just add something to that real quick,
Speaker 4: because I was too I was stunned by that. And
Speaker 4: then I remembered that Benny gave this blockbuster speech and
Speaker 4: on the big screen he threw up this graph showing
Speaker 4: a recovery and fertility rates, especially among right Christians in general.
Speaker 4: And I thought, I hope that didn't impact that because
Speaker 4: it showed it showed that there has been a lot
Speaker 4: of improvement in recent years as opposed to what was
Speaker 4: really and I still believe is an existential threat to
Speaker 4: our culture, to our way of life, to our you know,
Speaker 4: being able to imperpetuity continue the American experience. So I
Speaker 4: thought about it, and I said, well, there was that,
Speaker 4: and that speech was attended. That was a that was
Speaker 4: a bar. He really he lit the house on fire
Speaker 4: with that is great, but I wonder if that didn't
Speaker 4: have something you do with it, or people in general
Speaker 4: aren't thinking that we're making more progress with it. But
Speaker 4: like Blake, I think, and that's something that you know,
Speaker 4: myself included. I mean, we need to keep an eye
Speaker 4: on because you know, while there has been progress, it's
Speaker 4: not nearly enough.
Speaker 3: I want to go to another one here, Rich, and
Speaker 3: this is this was a fascinating one pick for your
Speaker 3: approval rating of various members of the Trump cabinet. And
Speaker 3: I think some people might be surprised at who came
Speaker 3: out on top. You know, I thought for sure it
Speaker 3: was gonna be Secretary Rubio. But let's go ahead and
Speaker 3: throw up one sixty three. And the way that walk
Speaker 3: with the audience through Rich, how you had people answer
Speaker 3: this question.
Speaker 4: So it was basically the same way that a polster
Speaker 4: will ask about the approval for the president, only this
Speaker 4: we said, look, we want to ask about the cabinet
Speaker 4: members one by one, tell us whether you approve or disapprove,
Speaker 4: and of course gave them the answer to the the
Speaker 4: option for strongly somewhat. And can I just go ahead,
Speaker 4: Oh so I can just go ahead and say, look,
Speaker 4: Secretary Pete blew it away eighty three percent who strongly
Speaker 4: approve of the job that he's doing. I mean overall,
Speaker 4: with the exception of a few here and there, Pam
Speaker 4: Bondi stands out. Others are just not as well known, right,
Speaker 4: and they're not in the public light as much like
Speaker 4: Doug Bargum for instance. They for the exception of a few,
Speaker 4: the cabinet members are doing well. RFK did extremely well,
Speaker 4: Robert Kennedy June extremely I mean incredible, but heg Sath
Speaker 4: definitely came out on top here. Secretary of Rubio did
Speaker 4: strong as well, but strongly approved for him was seventy
Speaker 4: nine percent. But it really does come out, you know.
Speaker 4: I think it's the fighting spirit Andrew. You know, when
Speaker 4: the media comes after him and says we're gonna, we're
Speaker 4: gonna if this is a war crime, we're gonna impeach
Speaker 4: you for this, he says, yeah, and I'm gonna smoke
Speaker 4: another narco terrorist in this guy. You got. The base
Speaker 4: wants their leaders to fight, They want their leaders to
Speaker 4: fight for them, they want them to fight back. And
Speaker 4: Pete Hegseye fights back.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean that's exactly right. You know who
Speaker 3: surprised me on this as well. Was and I was
Speaker 3: I was looking was Secretary Christy Nome, Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 3: I actually thought she performed extraordinarily well in this poll,
Speaker 3: and I had been hearing that maybe she wouldn't perform
Speaker 3: as well in this poll. So she got seventy two
Speaker 3: point eight percent strongly approved, seventeen point three percent somewhat approve. Right,
Speaker 3: And so that people love deportations, Rich, they love the deportations.
Speaker 2: That's what it.
Speaker 4: Comes down to. And I was thinking much along the
Speaker 4: lines of what you just said. But she's a part
Speaker 4: of what people see to be Trump's biggest success or
Speaker 4: are part of that entire issue.
Speaker 3: And on that note, Yeah, Rich, why don't we just
Speaker 3: throw it throw it up the one point sixty nine
Speaker 3: Trump two point zero biggest accomplishments. We have a minute
Speaker 3: left in this segment, and it's deportations and securing the border.
Speaker 3: I mean one and two, those are the things people
Speaker 3: are most happy about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's overwhelming. And you know what, on this note,
Speaker 4: and I know we're getting close to the end of
Speaker 4: the segment. On this note, the administration is starting to
Speaker 4: do a better job of reminding the American people about
Speaker 4: this accomplishment. The base knows, the base is giving him
Speaker 4: credit for it. He's got to do a little bit better.
Speaker 4: They know that it's good that he's trying, because unfortunately,
Speaker 4: it's a sad testament to the American voter. When you
Speaker 4: fix a problem, they forget and you have to constantly
Speaker 4: remind them that remember what it was. The President did
Speaker 4: that in his speech the other the primetime speech, by
Speaker 4: the way, and that was the right move.
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Speaker 3: Uh Rich you your lovely wife gave you an insight
Speaker 3: on that fertility rate thing.
Speaker 2: What was the point there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the point was a lot of after you got
Speaker 4: pasted that, you know, first and second tier, A lot
Speaker 4: of it was about affordability. And maybe people you know
Speaker 4: are worried or concerned about being able to afford to
Speaker 4: have a lot of children, right or other people's ability
Speaker 4: to have other children, So you put that stuff first
Speaker 4: in your mind when you're considering, you know, these as priorities.
Speaker 4: And I hadn't thought about that point, but it's probably
Speaker 4: some of that has to do with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. I think affordability.
Speaker 3: I mean, also, you know the thing that occurs to
Speaker 3: me in that particular venue with those particular people, there's
Speaker 3: so many babies and kids running around, you know, like
Speaker 3: probably those most people think, you know, we're gonna have
Speaker 3: a lot of babies.
Speaker 2: That's not our top concern, So that's my other theory
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 3: And we have the most responded to youngest by with
Speaker 3: average age of the respondent. Straphole that we are unpacking
Speaker 3: with Big Dada Pole, Rich Barris, the polster that conducted
Speaker 3: the pole on our behalf, and this one Rich, I
Speaker 3: think I'm just gonna say at backstage, I had a
Speaker 3: conversation with a very important person that we're mapping out
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six in the midterms, and I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: you know, you've got this issue of base fatigue or
Speaker 3: maybe lack of enthusiasm, whatever it is. We saw this
Speaker 3: with some of the special elections we struggle in off years.
Speaker 3: The question is how do you get people energetic? And
Speaker 3: I looked at the early results on this question, this
Speaker 3: next one, and I said, I'm telling you, I know
Speaker 3: people are terrified of it. I know that the rank
Speaker 3: and file Republican in DC is terrified of it. The
Speaker 3: base wants this. If you want to drive base turnout,
Speaker 3: lean into this issue. Find a way to thread the
Speaker 3: needle so you don't freak out. You know, the people
Speaker 3: you know that are in these contested elections, I'm sure,
Speaker 3: but I'm telling you so will drive turnout. I think
Speaker 3: it's a winner even amongst some Democrats that don't want
Speaker 3: to even admit it, or Independents that don't want to
Speaker 3: admit it. They don't necessarily want to say it out loud.
Speaker 3: We asked the question, Rich, would you support an immigration moratorium?
Speaker 2: Go up and go ahead and.
Speaker 3: Throw up one sixty eight. This did way better than
Speaker 3: even I anticipated one sixty eight. Look at that number.
Speaker 3: The p ninety of the attendees at America Fest, which
Speaker 3: again is these are the grassroots. This is like the plumbers,
Speaker 3: the electricians. These are everyday people that attend this and
Speaker 3: lots of students they want in immigration moratorium.
Speaker 2: Now, I am not naive.
Speaker 3: I know that the Republicans in Congress are not ready
Speaker 3: to tackle this issue. I strongly encourage you to reconsider
Speaker 3: your appetite for this issue ahead of the midterms.
Speaker 2: Rich, what's your takeaway here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say suck it up, Buttercup. I mean,
Speaker 4: if you remember when President Trump posted that he would
Speaker 4: do the moratorium, we actually pulled that even nationally and
Speaker 4: it did extremely well. That was right before Tennessee the
Speaker 4: special election in Tennessee seven and if you remember Emerson
Speaker 4: had of poll was very close it was only two points.
Speaker 4: And then I came on the show to tell you
Speaker 4: that once he did that, how much extremely enthusiastic and
Speaker 4: certainty to vote jumped by double digits. And I do
Speaker 4: attribute that larger margin than some people expected to have
Speaker 4: come from giving him a little bit of a shot,
Speaker 4: a wake up call to the base, wake up call
Speaker 4: to the voters. This is popular. Not only is it popular,
Speaker 4: I mean look at some of the other questions. You know,
Speaker 4: mass migration is viewed as an existential threat to people.
Speaker 4: So to have this as a backbone issue which you
Speaker 4: can then deliver an economic message out of right, like
Speaker 4: so many of our problems come from this, this immigration
Speaker 4: issue basically being broken since heartseller right, So this is
Speaker 4: a gold mine Andrew a gold mine. So I mean
Speaker 4: strongly suggest I would tell them you got to do it,
Speaker 4: you want to win, do it, lean into it, make
Speaker 4: it the case.
Speaker 5: Oh sorry, yeah, it's just yeah.
Speaker 6: I honestly, when I saw it get ninety percent, the
Speaker 6: first question that came to mind was do they all
Speaker 6: know what a moratorium?
Speaker 5: Miss? Uh?
Speaker 2: But yeah, because listen, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 6: It shows the energy for the base, because in practice,
Speaker 6: would a full moratory would it really have ninety percent support.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: I kind of liked the idea, but I'm also I
Speaker 6: realized that would be pretty dramatic for a lot of people.
Speaker 5: But I think it shows the energy on this.
Speaker 6: It shows how people are enthusiastic to see a sea
Speaker 6: change on immigration.
Speaker 5: That there's really.
Speaker 6: Been an expansion of what people see is possible in
Speaker 6: American politics. Oh, you actually can secure your border. You
Speaker 6: actually can support people, especially criminals, people who hate America
Speaker 6: and so on, and so people are also entertaining, Oh,
Speaker 6: you actually can stop You don't need to let people
Speaker 6: into your country necessarily, that that's a choice that you
Speaker 6: can make.
Speaker 4: You've also had horrific scandals lately, right, that highlighted some
Speaker 4: of these right in Minnesota, and there are others, Right,
Speaker 4: They haven't gotten as much media attention, but people are
Speaker 4: seeing this, you know, when they open up their social media,
Speaker 4: they are seeing this. And again, we did pull a
Speaker 4: very similar question nationally and it got fifty five percent support. So,
Speaker 4: you know, I think that people are at a point
Speaker 4: where they understand that this thing has been kind of
Speaker 4: like a runaway you know car for years. Somebody's got
Speaker 4: to pump the brake until we figure out what it
Speaker 4: is we until we get our hands on what has
Speaker 4: happened and what needs to happen going forward, because we
Speaker 4: just how much more of this can we take?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: How much more of this.
Speaker 2: Can we take? Well?
Speaker 3: Rich, thank you for partnering with us and turning point action,
Speaker 3: getting this poll done, this drop hoole done, and I
Speaker 3: think the results are wonderfully revealing about where again, that
Speaker 3: core center winning coalition is ideologically, where they're at on
Speaker 3: the issues, where they're out on Trump, where they're aut
Speaker 3: on vance, where they're out on the cabinet. Well done,
Speaker 3: my friend, and thank you for joining us for this hour.
Speaker 4: Thank you, and Merry Christmas, guys, all.
Speaker 3: The Christmas Rich, Merry Christmas to all of you as
Speaker 3: well out there.
Speaker 2: We'll see you tomorrow.
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