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Speaker 1: iTunes and Hillsdale. Joined now by the United States Senator

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Speaker 1: Tom Cotton from the great state of Arkansas. Senator Cotton,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me. I hope you have a

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Speaker 1: happy Easter week with your family. I appreciate you taking

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Speaker 1: the time to talk to me. First question, I was

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Speaker 1: on Fox earlier today and I cannot believe the Democrats

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Speaker 1: have closed the Department of Homeland Security thirty days into

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Speaker 1: a war. What are they thinking.

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Speaker 2: You They're scared or they're in league with their radical

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Speaker 2: left wing base. I can tell you last week that

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Speaker 2: on more than one occasion, Chuck Schumer had agreed to

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Speaker 2: a deal that would fund all of Homeland Security aside

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Speaker 2: from ice and border patrol, which we pre funded last

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Speaker 2: year in our big budget ill in which we plan

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Speaker 2: to return and pass a new budget that will fund

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Speaker 2: them even further into future. And they constantly moved the

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Speaker 2: goalposts on those agreements and reneged on them. One key

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Speaker 2: sticking point he is the issue of masks. I don't

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Speaker 2: think ICE officers want to wear masks to you, but

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Speaker 2: they have to because otherwise the radical left will dox

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Speaker 2: them and then left wing street militias will prize their

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Speaker 2: wives and their kids at their homes. And that's where

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Speaker 2: Chuck Schumer and Democrats have drawn a line in the sand.

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Speaker 2: We'll obviously, we're obviously never going to agree to that,

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Speaker 2: So we'll continue with the plan we had in place,

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Speaker 2: which is to use the budget reconciliation process to make

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Speaker 2: sure that we fund ICE and border patrol well into

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Speaker 2: the future, probably the TSA now that we know chruction

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Speaker 2: where in the Democrats are willing to inflict long lines

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Speaker 2: And then at that point you assume that the Democrats

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Speaker 2: that they have nothing to show for their extremism and obstructionism.

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Speaker 1: Senator, When I looked into DHS two hundred and forty

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Speaker 1: thousand employees, and there is something called the Cyber and

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Speaker 1: Infrastructure Security Agency, as well as the Coastguard, FEMA, Secret Service,

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Speaker 1: a bunch of other things besides TSA in wartime, isn't

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Speaker 1: everyone basically an essential employee at the Cyber and Infrastructure

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Speaker 1: Security Agency and they're not getting paid.

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Speaker 2: He It's an important agency, little known agency, but they

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Speaker 2: do very critical work. And that's again another example of

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Speaker 2: just how radical and ideological Democrats have become. We're fighting

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Speaker 2: against the enemy that has well known cyber capabilities that

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Speaker 2: have used them against US interests in the past, and

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Speaker 2: they would rather keep the cyber Security Agency inside of

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Speaker 2: DHS unfunded rather than allow the men and women of

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Speaker 1: Now. I was on Fox earlier today and Sandra Smith

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Speaker 1: Forty five days ago, we weren't in a battle, and

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Speaker 1: so maybe there was a political argument. But if anything

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Speaker 1: happens now, and these lines at airports are the softest

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Speaker 1: Hezbollah or an Iranian proxy, that's on the Democrats. Don't

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Speaker 2: And you just again to stress again. Republicans in the

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Speaker 2: Saria anticipated that the Democrats might full a stunt like this.

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Speaker 2: That's why last summer we pre funded ice and boarder

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Speaker 2: patrol for several years. So the Democrats are getting nothing

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Speaker 2: But the Democrats are willing to inflict long lines on

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Speaker 1: So SATA, how long will this? This is actually a

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Speaker 1: Less how long are the Democrats going to leave us

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Speaker 2: I think they're willing to do it in definitely think

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Speaker 2: that's why we've said that we're done with Chuck Shimmer

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Speaker 2: continuing to move the goalposts. We're going to move out

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Speaker 1: All right now, the last time we talked about reconciliation,

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Speaker 2: Don't think so yet. To you, it takes some time

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Speaker 2: I would remind all your listeners to you that we

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Speaker 2: still have two more shots at the reconciliation process as well,

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Speaker 2: so we don't have to include all the needed funds

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Speaker 2: a position yet to provide us those numbers. But there

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Speaker 2: is the possibility that we could pass two more bills,

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Speaker 2: one for homeland security and one for our military.

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Speaker 1: All right now, I want to switch to the actual battle. Senator,

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Speaker 1: you're a soldier, you're a vet. You know the costs

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Speaker 1: that's already been born by thirteen families and thirty additional

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Speaker 1: that's just the American side. How much can the United

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Speaker 1: kind of conflict? Do you think.

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Speaker 2: I've set from the beginning that I expected this campaign

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Speaker 2: with the last weeks, not months. Here, four weeks into it.

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Speaker 2: I'll stick to that for now, because whenever I get updates,

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Speaker 2: I hear the same consistent message. We are on time

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Speaker 2: their missiles, their missile launchers, their drones, their navy, their

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Speaker 2: going exceptionally well. I agreeve, as do all our cantons

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Speaker 2: for those soldiers who we lost and for their families,

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Speaker 2: and for the injuries, for the losses of equipment at hardware.

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Speaker 2: We may have more losses ahead, but in the long run,

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Speaker 2: it is to our great, great national security advantage that

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Speaker 2: we finally defame in New York, this terroriced revolution regime

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Speaker 2: that has been spreading chaos and violence against the United

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Speaker 1: So last question, Senator, It's crept into some of the

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Speaker 1: we're not we don't have clearances that we don't we

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Speaker 1: can't dislodge, we can't defeat the IRGC. They are veterans

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Speaker 1: of the eighty three eighty eight long war with Iran

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Speaker 2: They may not ever surrender, Hugh, But we're defeating a

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Speaker 2: target and kill their leaders. And remember, the Revolutionary Guard

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Speaker 2: after they still in the flush of revolutionary fervor. It

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Speaker 2: is now well documented. In fact, I think the Wall

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Speaker 2: ideology but corruption and get backs and payoffs and bribes.

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Speaker 2: And that's something that once the regime is defamed militarily,

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Speaker 1: Senator Tom Cotton. Happy Easter to you and your family.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining me, and I hope you can

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Speaker 1: get the Democrats to wake up to the fact that

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Speaker 1: we are playing politics at our peril. I appreciate your

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Speaker 1: joining me to take care. Welcome back to Americay, Hugh

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Speaker 1: Hewett inside the Beltwagh joined from Israel by doctor Michael

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Speaker 1: Orn former is really ambassador to the United States Doctor Orran.

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Speaker 1: I had a four hour drive this morning, so I

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Speaker 1: listened to every podcast that matter, Dan Senor talking with

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Speaker 1: Fred Kagan and Adobt a commentary to Jonathan Schanzer, and

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Speaker 1: the one thing that stuck out, well a lot suck out,

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Speaker 1: but Fred Kagan said, the Iranians have no idea how

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Speaker 1: badly they've been hurt. You know, I got to thinking

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Speaker 3: Well, it's possible they're going to wake up in the

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Speaker 4: Find out that they don't have very much.

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Speaker 5: Again, they have a different cut concept of victory.

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Speaker 4: Than we have in the West. You know, we count

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Speaker 3: Factories destroyed or unfortunately reminds me of a lot of

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Speaker 3: the Body Council of the Vietnam War. They have a different,

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Speaker 3: different definition of victory is that they just want to survive.

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Speaker 3: They're like Hamas and Gaza, and they don't think in

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Speaker 3: think in terms of years and decades. Oh, we'll be rebuilt,

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Speaker 3: especially we can get sanctions relief, then we'll rebuild. We

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Speaker 3: but also victory by their terms.

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Speaker 1: So in terms of whether or not a regime is

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Speaker 1: are you optimistic about that at all? In other words,

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Speaker 1: But we want to stay in power. Is that possible?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's possible if you look at how the Iraq

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Speaker 3: When the leaders of the Iran regime said, we know

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Speaker 3: we have to drink from the poison chalice kind of thing.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have a poison chalice moment, but you're still

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Speaker 5: Chalice very compliance with it, very very closely. But it's unlikely.

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Speaker 1: It's unlikely.

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Speaker 4: That's all I can say.

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Speaker 3: And there may be very well at tipping point, a

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Speaker 3: whether the United States and Israel can continue to stand strong,

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Speaker 4: There is an end of that, I'm certain.

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Speaker 3: And you know, we've just had two missiles fired at

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Speaker 3: us in the last hour, Hugh, We've got my daughter

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Speaker 3: was under constant fire from his bulla in the north

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Speaker 4: We're tough people, We're resilient. We're willing to see this

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Speaker 4: through the end. Uh. And you know we're asking the

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Speaker 5: We understand the American people are paying more at their

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Speaker 3: Through that the prices are going up in many fields

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Speaker 3: that are related to petroleum. We understand that, but we

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Speaker 3: ought to make the case that this is essential for

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Speaker 3: will not go down as one of the great presidents,

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Speaker 3: will go down to one of the great leaders in.

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Speaker 1: History now, DoD Oran. There are at least thirteen American

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Speaker 1: families who will not have someone coming home from this war,

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Speaker 4: We are a very resilient people.

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Speaker 1: of the Commentary Magazine podcast, John, I listened to you today.

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Speaker 6: Now, that's very very important, and it is very important

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Speaker 6: So it's not that you shouldn't believe anything. It's that

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Speaker 6: Kevin Klin, Laura Lenny Betsico, I'm seen in years. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Back to the series. Stuff is the US the United

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Speaker 6: people of Iran rose up and revolted because the real

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Speaker 6: had gone to have no value, and they were broke,

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Speaker 6: and they had no money and they had nothing. And

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Speaker 6: then the regime responded badly, and then they rose even further,

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Speaker 6: and then the regime started showing them in the streets

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Speaker 6: and the idea that the country itself was falling to

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Speaker 6: pieces as a civil society, if it could ever be

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Speaker 6: called that, and that this was a once in a

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Speaker 6: lifetime opportunity with them weekend, with them having no air defenses,

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Speaker 6: and with the with the populace restive and uncomfortable and

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Speaker 6: clearly wanting something new, and Israel developing the entil diligence

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Speaker 6: that said, if we go on this date, certain we

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Speaker 6: can decapitate the leadership all of those things coming into play.

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Speaker 6: Trump said, it's a gift on a silver platter, like

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Speaker 6: history doesn't provide these very often. It's not like he

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Speaker 6: came into office saying, let's develop the way in which

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Speaker 6: we can take Iran out. Taking Iran out became something

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Speaker 6: that developed over time in twenty twenty five, in early

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Speaker 6: twenty twenty six, and was a response to real world

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Speaker 6: dynamic changes that we are taking advantage of.

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Speaker 1: Now I've already written the column, so it's already into Fox.

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Speaker 1: I'mp here tomorrow that begins. If President Trump succeeds in

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Speaker 1: overseeing the toppling of the Iranian regime, it will rank

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Speaker 1: with the greatest achievements of presidents since World War Two

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Speaker 1: if it happens. Do you agree with me on that? Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I can't. In fact, oddly enough, it's

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Speaker 6: hard to think of another aside from winning the Cold

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Speaker 6: War that will it will be as geo politically significant

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Speaker 6: as this victory over Iran would be.

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Speaker 1: No, it's nineteen eighty nine, That's what I keep telling people. Now.

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Speaker 1: I am also on the record with at least Guy

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Speaker 1: Benson saying this is going to take at least until

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Speaker 1: June unless the conditions of regime collapse. We just can't

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Speaker 1: seek because the Internet is down. Does the American public

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Speaker 1: have the patience for a low casually though not no casually.

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Speaker 1: There are thirteen breathing families this Easter passover who have

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Speaker 1: washed it all, and there are others who are wounded.

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Speaker 1: But do we have the capacity to go to June

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Speaker 1: if it remains a low casualty situation?

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Speaker 6: I think absolutely, Because the sad part is I don't

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Speaker 6: think the American people care very much. They're very uninvested

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Speaker 6: in this. Unless gas prices go to two hundred and

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Speaker 6: fifty dollars a barrel and suddenly it's costs nine dollars

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Speaker 6: the gallon at the pump, what cost is being inflicted

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Speaker 6: on any individual America can buy this conflict? There is

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Speaker 6: no cost. There is no cost. No one in this country.

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Speaker 6: One out of every three hundred and thirty people has

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Speaker 6: a relative in the military. If that and the military

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Speaker 6: is a volunteer. And from what we now, the military

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Speaker 6: and people in the military are overwhelmingly in support of

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Speaker 6: the mission, so they're not opposed to it.

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Speaker 1: Who's opposed to it.

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Speaker 6: Are democrats and people who think that war doesn't work

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Speaker 6: and We've had a terrible time over the last twenty

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Speaker 6: five years and haven't won anything.

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Speaker 1: But so I can't.

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Speaker 6: I don't think Trump is going to get a lot

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Speaker 6: of credit for what's going on. Clearly he isn't, But

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Speaker 6: that doesn't mean that there is going to be overwhelming pressure.

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Speaker 1: And we come back from break the hardest hit I've

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Speaker 1: been doing this show for twenty five and a half year.

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Speaker 1: The hardest hit are USS Liberty, conspiracy Terrorist. But we'll

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Speaker 1: be back with John pod Howarts. Don't go anywhere in America.

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Speaker 1: I'm uqit, welcome back in America. I'm hue you at

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Speaker 1: John pod Howtz. I'm the editor in chief of Commentary

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Speaker 1: Magazine to the Daily Commentary podcast. I really recommend today, Monday,

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Speaker 1: March thirtieth, because I had a fascinating conversation. I listened

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Speaker 1: to all of it today driving back from Southern Virginia

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Speaker 1: about American public opinion and what works and what doesn't work.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I think Ame and Eleanna are just wise,

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Speaker 1: wise wise when they judge American public opinion. And I

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Speaker 1: thought you and Christine had a very interesting exchange about

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Speaker 1: what would he say? What would he do? Because in

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Speaker 1: fact about Trump. There are very few people whose minds

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Speaker 1: are going to change. Isn't that a fact? John? No

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Speaker 1: matter he can win. I mean, we could have a

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Speaker 1: patent movie made about it. It won't matter, and he

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Speaker 1: might lose terribly and his supporters won't care. It's frozen.

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Speaker 6: Look we're playing. He's playing for history here. This is

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Speaker 6: not about the next six months. It's not even about

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Speaker 6: the rest of his term. What happens here is a

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Speaker 6: world historical moment if he wins, and what happens is

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Speaker 6: the failure of this presidency if he appears to end

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Speaker 6: this on an inconclusive result, which is why he should

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Speaker 6: go for all the marbles and not worried about what

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Speaker 6: the immediate politics say. Even if, even if we need

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Speaker 6: Republicans in the Senate the House start complaining and saying

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Speaker 6: things are terrible, it doesn't make sense for him not

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Speaker 6: to complete what he started because this is too big too.

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Speaker 6: If you're going to make if you're going to take

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Speaker 6: the risk and reap the reward, you were going to

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Speaker 6: have to play the risk out. So my final point

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Speaker 6: on that podcast, and I'll say today, is we're seeing

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Speaker 6: the poll numbers looking really bad, right, but this is

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Speaker 6: a very complicated thing. First of all, people say yes

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Speaker 6: or no about things that they don't really care that

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Speaker 6: much about and aren't of that much importance to them.

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Speaker 6: And if they don't like Trump, they don't like the war,

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Speaker 6: and that that's it. That's fine, it's over with. Among

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Speaker 6: people who support Trump and who are Republicans, support for

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Speaker 6: this war has been rising, not falling, and support for

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Speaker 6: the war is at eighty to ninety five depending on

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Speaker 6: how you calculate it. And that should matter less because

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Speaker 6: you say, oh, well, he only as Republican supporting him,

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Speaker 6: So what Publican and Democratic parties are at parody? They're

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Speaker 6: both around forty two percent. Of course with leaners. If

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Speaker 6: you look at the gallop, the gallop calculations of support

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Speaker 6: for each party made this year so forty two, forty three,

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Speaker 6: forty four percent. So that's a lot of people. And

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Speaker 6: if ninety percent of forty four percent of the public

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Speaker 6: supports you, the bottom isn't going to fall.

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Speaker 1: Out for Trump.

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Speaker 6: And the people who aren't in that forty in that

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Speaker 6: in that number don't like him anyway and hate him

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Speaker 6: and think he's awful and everything he does is monstrous,

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Speaker 6: So he's got no play with them. There's nothing he

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Speaker 6: can do with them. As he once joked, you know

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Speaker 6: if he brought them the risen Christ, they would they

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Speaker 6: would reject it. So I think under those circumstances he

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Speaker 6: just should hold firm because tactically speaking, he's got all

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Speaker 6: the backing that he'll ever be able to get.

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Speaker 1: And now the only thing that can go wrong John

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Speaker 1: is an HMS Sheffield incident where Iran gets off a

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Speaker 1: lucky ballistic and they hit or a Lincoln or the

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Speaker 1: four that would change American a mass casually disaster, even

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Speaker 1: though in the run up to Normandy, not on Normandy.

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Speaker 1: The run up to Normandy, more than five thousand soldiers, sailors,

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Speaker 1: herman and marine lost their lives practicing for Normandy. We

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Speaker 1: don't have that capacity anymore. You raise something at the

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Speaker 1: very end, two things actually, One was Ukraine has really

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Speaker 1: stepped up, and I hope American's opinion that changing of

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Speaker 1: Zelenski and it's certainly a changing in the Gulf. And

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Speaker 1: then second, the reality of the Strait of Hormuz is

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Speaker 1: now in front of us. Do you think it's possible

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Speaker 1: that China takes a look at that and thinks, hmmm,

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Speaker 1: we really don't want the Mulas in charge of the

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Speaker 1: Strait of Hormuz. Maybe we don't want them to win.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if they want them to win or not.

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Speaker 6: I think that they this is their alliance, and it's

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Speaker 6: an anti American or you know, counter American alliance, and

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Speaker 6: it may not be much of an alliance, but it's

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Speaker 6: their alliance. And they don't shift very quickly the Chinese.

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Speaker 6: So I wouldn't count on the Chinese coming in with

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Speaker 6: us or something like that. But the point about horrm

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Speaker 6: Movez that is really important is this. If you hate

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Speaker 6: this war, fine you. And if you're now using the

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Speaker 6: fact that the Strait of Hormuz is being threatened by Iran, fine,

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Speaker 6: But now that the threat has been raised and you're

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Speaker 6: trying to use the threat to Hormuz as an example

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Speaker 6: of why Trump screwed up by starting the war, also fine.

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Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that you then get to say I'm

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Speaker 6: out of this, because if the Straight of Removes is

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Speaker 6: threatened and the Islamic Republic of Iran remains in power,

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Speaker 6: the Strait of Hormuz will never not be threatened again

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Speaker 6: until they're gone. They've opened the Pandora's box it's there,

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Speaker 6: it's threatened. They can threaten it at a moment's notice,

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Speaker 6: and as could the people on the other side of

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Speaker 6: the street, who certainly don't want to threaten it, but

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Speaker 6: you know, you know who's on the other side, Dubai like,

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Speaker 6: they could threaten it also, they could They could set

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Speaker 6: a drone to get They don't want to, right, but

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Speaker 6: we know Iran has opened this up as a possibility

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Speaker 6: as their attempt to blackmail the world. Once they've decided

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Speaker 6: to try to blackle the world this way, they gotta go,

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Speaker 6: what are you going to do if we don't take

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Speaker 6: them out?

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Speaker 1: You're gonna why what are you going to do?

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Speaker 6: How do you not have them on August fifteenth to

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Speaker 6: so fire a volley and blow up a tanker somewhere?

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Speaker 6: Just just to make a point, you are a.

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Speaker 1: Season you're a season Trump watcher, and you're a former

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Speaker 1: White House speech writer. Is there because Christine was talking

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Speaker 1: about making a speech to a sure Americans get the constancy?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's possible anymore in this media. But

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Speaker 1: if you were going to write him the speech to

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Speaker 1: do that, what would it say? Would it say? Do

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Speaker 1: you know how bad the Iranians are let me tell

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Speaker 1: you what, he's not really that kind of a rhetoricician.

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Speaker 6: It would probably be in three parts. Okay, the first

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Speaker 6: part would be since nineteen seventy nine. So many of

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Speaker 6: you were not born, so you don't understand what happened

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Speaker 6: in nineteen seventy nine and nineteen seventy nine.

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Speaker 1: This regime came in.

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Speaker 6: America weirdly abedded its creation, and then ten months later

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Speaker 6: they took fifty two Americans hostage and held them for

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Speaker 6: four hundred and forty four days until a president came

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Speaker 6: into power who frightened them so much that they relented

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Speaker 6: and let the hostages go. And since then, for forty

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Speaker 6: six years, they have been the world's leading sponsor of terrorism.

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Speaker 6: They have fomented three major terrorist actors in the world,

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Speaker 6: hesbal Ajamas and the Huthis. They have they started a

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Speaker 6: war that where two million people were killed from nineteen

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Speaker 6: eighty one to nineteen eighty nine, and they are developing

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Speaker 6: nuclear weapons which every president has had to deal with.

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Speaker 6: They are bad and they shouldn't exist anymore. But their

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Speaker 6: country's not bad. Their country is tw twenty five hundred

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Speaker 6: years old. It's a great old civilization. This was a

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Speaker 6: construct place there forty seven years ago. If it goes,

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Speaker 6: we're not taking out the country. We are taking out

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Speaker 6: a regime that is a modern, jury rigged, corrupt, radical,

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Speaker 6: anti American force. And it's only to the good that

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Speaker 6: they're gone and will only be to the good for

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Speaker 6: those people and for the world. And we are showing

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Speaker 6: the world what we are made of, what we can do,

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Speaker 6: and what they should not think they can threaten us with.

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Speaker 6: After this is over, and all for all those three reasons,

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Speaker 6: we're going in and we're taking them out.

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Speaker 1: I hope he does that, now, that's what I would

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Speaker 1: thirty seconds.

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Speaker 6: I don't think he's Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have that game, but maybe he could get

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Speaker 1: it thirty seconds on a scale of one to ten,

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Speaker 1: with one being I don't know, smooth Holly and ten

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Speaker 1: being Reagan walking on a recovic. What's the JCPOA.

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Speaker 6: Well, nothing's bad as bad as s. Pauley, right, so

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Speaker 6: the jcpoas well. The win JCPO is three. But if

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Speaker 6: the JCPOA actually can be viewed as the start of

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Speaker 6: the reconstruction the Middle East, as it awakened people to

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Speaker 6: the fact that unless Iran was stopped after this agreement,

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Speaker 6: everything was going to go to hell. Then the j

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Speaker 6: CPOA will have been, inadvertently, like ten to seven, a

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Speaker 6: world changing moment, although the person who was responsible for

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Speaker 6: it thought it would change the world in an entirely

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Speaker 6: different way.

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Speaker 1: Best case scenario for President Obama. Right there, John pod Or,

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Speaker 1: it's always good to talk to you. I fall him

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Speaker 1: on action, Jay pot Orritz stay tuned, America. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: in America. I'm Hugh Hewittt and meet Schagahal has been

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Speaker 1: my guest before. He is the lead analyst on Channel

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Speaker 1: twelve in Israel, the author of a fine, splendid book,

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Speaker 1: The call at four am that will, if it's possible,

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Speaker 1: explain is Raley pout to you. It's not really possible

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Speaker 1: because it doesn't make a lot of sense to Americans.

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Speaker 1: I may welcome back. My first question just ask you.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you. It's usual better up today

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Speaker 1: than it was thirty one days.

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Speaker 7: Ago, Absolutely no doubt.

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Speaker 8: You know, there is you know, this term Sizifian ritual,

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Speaker 8: something that you do all over again and again in vain.

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Speaker 7: Now, because we're.

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Speaker 8: In the news industry, we have the feeling that this

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Speaker 8: is an ongoing futile effort. However, every night the Israeli

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Speaker 8: Air Force and the US ell Force shave another layer

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Speaker 8: of this monstrous fundamentalist machine that had been built by

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Speaker 8: Iranians for the last forty seven years. Even if the

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Speaker 8: war ends today, which I hope it won't, but even

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Speaker 8: if it ends today, Iran will have to buy one

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Speaker 8: hundred new ships, a brand new airport, a force, a

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Speaker 8: brand new a ballistic MISSILEI industry, a brand new steal industry,

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Speaker 8: and of course the diamond the nuclear project, which means

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Speaker 8: that their ability to threaten the world.

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Speaker 7: And especially Israel and.

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Speaker 8: The United States has decreased dramatically. Now, I think, while

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Speaker 8: I think it's not enough, I'm still grateful enough.

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Speaker 7: For prison Trump and for these ready army for doing

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Speaker 7: the deality work.

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Speaker 1: All right, second question, which is much harder. I want

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Speaker 1: to remind people as well, and Meat is an almost

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Speaker 1: daily correspondent now for the Free Press because they take

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Speaker 1: his It's new an Israel email which I get every

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Speaker 1: morning because it's free, and a me Segal dot net.

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Speaker 1: It shows up at the Free Press, which I subscribe to,

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Speaker 1: so I get it twice. I met. This is much tougher.

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Speaker 1: Is Israel better off today than it was on ten six,

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Speaker 1: twenty three, even though the horror of that day was

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Speaker 1: ahead of it.

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Speaker 7: I think it's way better.

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Speaker 8: And you know, it's very hard to say this because

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Speaker 8: it came at a cost, at a monstrous cost, twelve

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Speaker 8: hundred casualties, but it actually quest in while on October

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Speaker 8: seventh actually revealed the plan, the Iranian plan to choke

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Speaker 8: Israel from seven different fronts, all funded and trained by Iran,

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Speaker 8: without Iranian have to spill their blood fighting Israel. And

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Speaker 8: now it's exactly the other way around. We have a

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Speaker 8: border with Iran and they don't have a bottle with us.

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Speaker 7: I just want to give you what we call proportions.

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Speaker 8: Prior to Rising Line Operation in June twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 8: the scenario was that eight hundred to four thousand Israelis

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Speaker 8: how to.

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Speaker 7: Be killed during the war.

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Speaker 8: It ended with thirty casualties in Israel in twelve days.

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Speaker 8: Now we are involved in a three front war with Iran,

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Speaker 8: Kriz Bala and the Hooties, and yet after a month

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Speaker 8: there are only twenty casualties. Now, while this is tragic

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Speaker 8: and we mourn every victim of the conflict, it's something

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Speaker 8: like less than two.

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Speaker 7: Percent of the early.

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Speaker 8: Expectations, which signals you how damage was caused by Israel

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Speaker 8: and the US to the Iranian wall machine.

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Speaker 1: Now in America, I remind people there are thirteen families

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Speaker 1: who at this Passover Easter will not have someone at

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Speaker 1: their table or know even that they're coming back, because

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Speaker 1: they're dead and they've been killed by the Iranians and

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Speaker 1: or accidents related to the war where they're on. So

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Speaker 1: it's never not extraordinarily costly. But knowing what you know now,

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Speaker 1: are we glad that Sinemore actually jumped the gun because

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Speaker 1: if it had been coordinated, I don't know if Israel

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Speaker 1: could have stood up to that, do you.

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Speaker 7: It would be way way harder.

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Speaker 8: I think lead is not the termed because every really

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Speaker 8: knowing person, some of the victims or the half the

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Speaker 8: photo hostages from October seventh. However, having said that, absolutely

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Speaker 8: the entire existence of Israel was hanging by a thread

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Speaker 8: four years, or had been hanging by a thread four years,

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Speaker 8: and we didn't know it. Now, while it was a

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Speaker 8: dramatic strategic failure, it gave Israel the opportunity to take

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Speaker 8: its enemies one enemy at a time, one tentical at

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Speaker 8: the time, and then the head of the octopus and

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Speaker 8: this is what we see today. This was the big

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Speaker 8: plan to actually eliminate Israel by the twenty thirty and

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Speaker 8: Israel was saved.

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Speaker 7: From it thanks for this.

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Speaker 8: Someone defined it in Israel a terrible miracle. I think

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Speaker 8: it's it's it's right to the point.

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Speaker 1: That is a very app description. I'll be right back

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Speaker 1: with a Meid Chagall. Don't go anywhere, America. Chat over

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Speaker 1: to his website during the break, Amid Chagal that sign

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Speaker 1: up for a daily newsletter, subscribe to the Free Press.

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00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: He's on it TV every now. I think the Israelians

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Speaker 1: appetite for news is even more satiable than mine. And

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Speaker 1: so he's working around the clock. Don't go anywhere. I'll

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Speaker 1: be right back with the meat broking back America. You're

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Speaker 1: here with a Meek Cigale Channel twelve and of the

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Speaker 1: Free Press. I mean, we are one missile away from

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Speaker 1: a mass casually event to an American ship or a base,

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Speaker 1: or a dreaded mass casualty event in Israel. Could that

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Speaker 1: change everything? One missile getting.

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Speaker 7: Through in Israel.

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Speaker 8: No, because the assumption is that Israel would be heat

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Speaker 8: so hard that it would have to stop either by

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Speaker 8: the pressure of the public opinion or by a decision

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Speaker 8: made by taken by a private san Aitanao.

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Speaker 7: I think either of the neither option is feasible.

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Speaker 8: The vast majority of the really public is fully aware

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Speaker 8: of the danger from Iran, the threat posed by this

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Speaker 8: fundamentalist regime, and there is a widespread, rare consensus support

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Speaker 8: consensus around the idea that they must be eliminated as

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Speaker 8: a military threat. At the very same time, I have

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Speaker 8: to say that as time passes, Israeli have find it

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Speaker 8: hard to actually function under this annoying sound of sirens

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Speaker 8: going off entirely around the country.

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Speaker 7: I'll explain.

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Speaker 8: Okay, there was a fascinating statistics in our whole last week.

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Speaker 8: Those with safe room in their apartment, you know, you

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Speaker 8: don't have to show your pajama to the neighbors. They

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Speaker 8: support the world seventy seven twenty two.

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Speaker 7: Those who have public shelters, you.

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Speaker 8: Know they have to to, you know, climb the stir is.

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Speaker 8: At three am, they supported sixty to forty Those without

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Speaker 8: shelters fifty seven percent to twenty two percent against the war, which.

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Speaker 7: Means that people are exhausted.

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Speaker 8: But the vastal jority of his radies is still you know,

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Speaker 8: as Britz call it, Steve upper Lip, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, No, I mean this is a difficult thing in

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Speaker 1: the middle of a war that could still have terrible

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Speaker 1: events happen in it, and no doubt we'll have other

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Speaker 1: lots of life. Prime Minister that yahoo. I can't imagine

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Speaker 1: anyone other than him leading Israel through this. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not in ISRAELI and I don't know that much. Could

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Speaker 1: anyone else have done this? In your view? I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're much younger than he is, but you know everyone

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Speaker 1: in Israel could Could anyone else have done this this way?

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Speaker 8: I think the the you know, the most important piece

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Speaker 8: in this battle is talking President Trump into attacking Iran.

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Speaker 8: This is Nataniell's main advantage over his rivals. This is

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Speaker 8: his even his most bitter enemies Rifles admits that this.

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Speaker 7: Is his main achievement and main advantage when it comes

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Speaker 7: to attack you run.

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Speaker 8: I think you I could think about a few prime

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Speaker 8: ministers would have done it, Benguion, maybe Arian Scheon, perhaps

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Speaker 8: even Idol.

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Speaker 7: But yes, I mean, this.

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Speaker 8: Is Nataniao's main achievement in his entire career, and it

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Speaker 8: has been a very long career.

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Speaker 6: As you know.

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Speaker 1: Now the budget in Israel passion for the benefit of

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Speaker 1: the American audience. That means the government can go on

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Speaker 1: to at least until October if it wants to. It's

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Speaker 1: got a hold an election in October by law, but

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Speaker 1: it can be pulled forward. The Brits in nineteen hundred,

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Speaker 1: the Tory Party had just thought they had won the

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Speaker 1: Second World War, so they held the Khaki election and

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Speaker 1: they won overwhelmingly, so they pulled it forward. Do you

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Speaker 1: think that the could coalition might pull the election forward

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Speaker 1: if this war ends soon?

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Speaker 7: And well, I'm not sure.

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Speaker 8: You know, the main difference between the Tories in forty

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Speaker 8: five and recording twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 7: Is that the war hell goes nowhere.

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Speaker 8: It's still you know, the very complicated security situation.

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Speaker 7: It's not Europe post World War two.

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Speaker 8: However, this is a dramatic achievement for Nathaniao because it's

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Speaker 8: going to be the first government to serve a full

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Speaker 8: term since nineteen sixty nine.

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Speaker 7: Sixty seven years.

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Speaker 8: Has passed since the last government seld a full term. Now,

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Speaker 8: while you know it shows the strengths, it shows weakness

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Speaker 8: as well, because the reason coalitions usually fall apart is

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Speaker 8: because some parties believe that they can gain ground in

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Speaker 8: the election. The coalition parties are relatively we following October seventh,

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Speaker 8: so they have had no incentive coding up an early election.

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Speaker 7: Having all that said, I think that is.

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Speaker 8: More than fifty percent chance of getting re elected.

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Speaker 1: All right, last question I may in times of crisis,

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Speaker 1: Americans turn on the television. They turn on radio shows

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Speaker 1: like this and television shows like this. They can't, but

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Speaker 1: then their attention dissipates quickly. Can the Israeli possibly watch

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Speaker 1: more news than they have watched consistently for the last

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Speaker 1: ten years? Our ratings up? And what I'm asking?

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Speaker 8: Oh yes, I'll give you an example. The most popular

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Speaker 8: news the most popular TV show in Israel on a

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Speaker 8: daily basis since the sixties is the eight pm news broadcast.

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Speaker 8: Usually it gets on Channel twelve, where podcast something like

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Speaker 8: fourteen percent, fourteen percent footy points. Nowadays sometimes it yes,

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Speaker 8: but this is doing in ordinary days today nowadays it's

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Speaker 8: nineteen percent.

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Speaker 7: Twenty percent.

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Speaker 8: My mid the Press show on Saturday night reached sixteen

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Speaker 8: point six percent.

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Speaker 7: It's it's it's it's yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's context. When I don't television. When we got a

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Speaker 1: share at one point we were popping child. Yeah, we

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Speaker 1: were happy as it can be. So nineteen share is remarkable.

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, the share is higher than nineteen.

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Speaker 8: Nineteen is out of Yes, the share is something like

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Speaker 8: thirty seven percent.

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Speaker 7: Okay, the point when I when.

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Speaker 8: I yeah, when I talk about points, I talk about you.

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Speaker 7: Know, the percentage of a TV is open.

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Speaker 8: Out of the out of one hundred TV televisions in Israel,

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Speaker 8: how many televisions have opened on channel twelve? Okay, so

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Speaker 8: it's thirty seven percent share and nineteen twenty percent of

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Speaker 1: the originally insured, the people's pundit, Selena Zo from the

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Speaker 1: Selena Happy Easter in advance to you. I hope you

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Speaker 1: have been planning for a big festive meal at your house.

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Speaker 9: Oh, yes, yes, yesterday we were making Sicilian doughnuts, which

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Speaker 9: we always have on Palm Sunday, which ever caught in them,

941
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Speaker 9: and you deep fry them and then you bury them

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Speaker 9: in sugar. Yeah, it's going to be cooking all week.

943
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Speaker 9: My grandchildren were cooking with me today.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry I missed the Sicilian donuts. Do you

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Speaker 1: have to be a made man to get one of those?

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Speaker 10: I can make you some. I can help you up.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 1: I want you to know you were quoted today on

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Speaker 1: the commentary podcast your famous line, Trump must be taken seriously,

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Speaker 1: not literally, but people take him literally and not seriously

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Speaker 1: and right, And someone who said that, and John Bodor said,

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Speaker 1: Selina Zito said that, do you think that's the most

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Speaker 1: famous line you've ever been.

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Speaker 10: Probably? Yeah, But you know, don't you think? I don't know.

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Speaker 10: Maybe it's very obvious to me because I straddle to

956
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Speaker 10: different worlds.

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Speaker 9: Right, If I go online and look at the political class,

958
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Speaker 9: it's the latter. If I'm out with you know, normal humans,

959
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Speaker 9: which is where I much prefer to be, it is

960
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Speaker 9: the former. You know, this is Donald Trump is a

961
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Speaker 9: guy that's been in the American cultural experience since the

962
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Speaker 9: early eighties, in the late seventies, and he's always been

963
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Speaker 9: this way. And people that consumed him on television, on

964
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Speaker 9: the New York Post and New York Times, they understood

965
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Speaker 9: that this is the way he talked, and they didn't

966
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Speaker 9: take it all that.

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Speaker 10: Literally, know, Alina.

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Speaker 1: I got old and dear friends whom Trump has completely broken,

969
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Speaker 1: and I have friends who have divorced me as a

970
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Speaker 1: friend because you know, he's a president. He's not a

971
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Speaker 1: preacher or a pastor. And he's doing a very good

972
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Speaker 1: job of taking down an a consistential threat to Israel

973
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Speaker 1: in the world and Iran. And I generally approved seventy

974
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Speaker 1: five percent of what he does, and so I'm pretty

975
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Speaker 1: happy with him as a president. I do not approve

976
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Speaker 1: a lot about Donald Trump, but he doesn't approve about

977
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Speaker 1: it a lot about me. We're not buddies. But really,

978
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Speaker 1: what is wrong with the no kingspeople? That's just constitutionally illiterate.

979
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Speaker 10: It's so I just look at it and think it's

980
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 10: so dumb.

981
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Speaker 9: But here's here's a point and a really important point

982
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Speaker 9: that I want to make. As I looked at two

983
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Speaker 9: events that happened, one in Pittsburgh and one in my

984
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Speaker 9: where I used to live in Mount Lebanon, UH and

985
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Speaker 9: Connor Lamb, who's making no bones about the fact that

986
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Speaker 9: he wants to primary John Fetterman, is speaking at the

987
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Speaker 9: one in Mount Lebanon, and I'm looking, I'm watching it

988
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Speaker 9: live online, and I'm like, oh my god, I know

989
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 9: almost everyone there nothing. These people voted the same. There's

990
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Speaker 9: no one new in this crowd. They're the same crowd,

991
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Speaker 9: regurgitated every time. Are the crowd sizeable, yes, but they're

992
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Speaker 9: not new. Why is it important? It's important because when

993
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Speaker 9: you want to build a coalition, you need to bring

994
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Speaker 9: new people into your coalition. There's no one new there.

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00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 9: These are the same voters they had in twenty twenty

996
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Speaker 9: four and they lost with these voters. And so I

997
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Speaker 9: think that aspect really needs to be driven home, because

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Speaker 9: you have to build, you have to grow. They're white

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Speaker 9: and my age right, and there's nothing. There's no one

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Speaker 9: new and young. There no, there's no diversity, not just

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Speaker 9: racial diversity, there's no cultural diversity. You don't see any

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Speaker 9: working class people there. You see culture.

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Speaker 1: Basically old, upper middle class to upper class people. Selena,

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Speaker 1: I agree. But I got to go to the more

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Speaker 1: important thing because you had insured the insur this week.

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Speaker 11: The Pittsburgh public schools are closing because of the NFL draft,

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Speaker 11: and I really I had to look twice I couldn't

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Speaker 11: believe it because the kids I am an exactly experienced

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Speaker 11: learning abundance in the last five years.

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Speaker 1: Right, learning loss is a real deal. And they closed

1012
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Speaker 1: for two days because of the draft.

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Speaker 10: Oh oh, not two days, four four days?

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Speaker 1: You know it's not worth the draft. It's even if

1015
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Speaker 1: that was all worth the draft. What's wrong with your

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Speaker 1: school district?

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Speaker 10: I attended that school district. I am shocked at this

1018
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Speaker 10: school district, but I've been shocked at it for the

1019
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Speaker 10: past thirty years. I had an excellent education there.

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Speaker 9: David mccaullaugh always said that was a premier education that

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Speaker 9: we received in those schools.

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Speaker 10: There was nothing better.

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Speaker 6: And first of football.

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Speaker 1: Out of this. We're leaving football out of this. Right.

1025
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Speaker 1: But but yes, Pittsburgh got good schools. But yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: are they getting criticized by the parents? Are the parents mad?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

1028
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Speaker 9: The parents are infuriated there. And the draft is at night.

1029
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Speaker 9: It doesn't impact the schools. And there's only one school

1030
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Speaker 9: that is anywhere near the proximity of where the draft

1031
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Speaker 9: will be held, and that's not even that close.

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Speaker 1: Has any national network covered this yet, because this is

1033
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Speaker 1: a national scandal. These kids have had learning loss, that's

1034
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Speaker 1: appreciable that everyone is documented and they're taking four days off.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was two four days off for the

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft. Has any national network covered it yet?

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Speaker 10: No, not at all.

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Speaker 1: Well, then the Salem News channel is first. I really,

1039
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Speaker 1: have they responded to the criticism or they just hunted

1040
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Speaker 1: down and they're taking their four day vacation.

1041
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Speaker 9: Oh yeah, this is my favorite criticism. Hey, we gave

1042
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Speaker 9: the parents for a month advanced notice. They should be

1043
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Speaker 9: fine with this. This is my favorite line that the

1044
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Speaker 9: public affairs person said.

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Speaker 1: You know, I just spent the weekend with my four grandkids.

1046
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Speaker 1: I just spent the weekend with my four grandkids. My

1047
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Speaker 1: son in law is deployed. I cannot believe that. There

1048
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Speaker 1: got to be a lot of people in Pittsburgh who

1049
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Speaker 1: are deployed. So they just said to all those single parents,

1050
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Speaker 1: score you for four days because we want to watch

1051
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Speaker 1: and enjoy the draft. That's really what it is, right,

1052
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Speaker 1: The teachers and the administrator want to go enjoy the draft.

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Speaker 9: I mean the teachers are mad too. By the way,

1054
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Speaker 9: it's the union and it's the superintendent. It's not the teachers.

1055
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Speaker 9: I talked to plenty of teachers. They're really upset. Most

1056
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Speaker 9: teachers really care about this kid.

1057
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Speaker 1: Of course they do, but then they would quit the union,

1058
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Speaker 1: or they would or they would start firing the superintendent.

1059
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Speaker 1: Where's the school board? Has anyone returned your call from

1060
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Speaker 1: the school board? Because this is nuts? Nope, Nope, Selena.

1061
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Speaker 1: Happy Easter to you and yours. Follow Selena on ex

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Speaker 1: Zito Selena