1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: What I've realized is that the only thing that we 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 2: really fear is an emotion we're not sure we can handle. 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: So you mentioned. 5 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 2: Before like you can fear fear because I know I 6 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: can't handle that emotion. So I'm afraid that emotion is 7 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 2: going to show up and I won't know what to 8 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 2: do about it. But I might also be a fear 9 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 2: feeling shame because I don't know how to deal with 10 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: that emotion. And what happens with every emotion that I 11 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: don't know how to handle, my world gets smaller. 12 00:00:27,040 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 3: Welcome to the Faith over Fear podcast, where we discuss 13 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 3: powerful truths to quiet anxiety and fear big and small. 14 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 3: You know, a lot of us experienced anxiety and we 15 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 3: wish it would just go away. And I think a 16 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 3: lot of us in pray God just take this anxiety away. 17 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:47,639 Speaker 3: But what if at times God's not trying to silence it, 18 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 3: but help us understand what it's pointing to. We've got 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 3: a great guest today and we're going to explore that 20 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 3: so that by the end of our chat you might 21 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: make peace with an anxious feel I want to welcome 22 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: doctor Marcus Morner. He's the president of Deeper Walk International. 23 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 3: He's a very prolific author. Welcome aboard. 24 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: Good to be here, Carol, Thanks for having me. 25 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 3: It's my pleasure. I'm glad you're here. You seem to 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 3: be an expert on the subject of anxiety, so I 27 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: thank you for your time today, and I wonder as 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 3: we get started, have you ever had a moment where 29 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 3: your anxiety felt completely out of proportion to what was 30 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 3: actually happening. 31 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:26,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? 32 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everybody deals with anxiety. In fact, there's 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 2: whole books arch on leadership anxiety, right because as a leader, 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: you're always dealing with the future, and when you're dealing 35 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: with the future, you can imagine things happening that you 36 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 2: not sure you could handle. 37 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: I had like a year of really deep anxiety that 38 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: I had to go through in my life. I've also had. 39 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: Everything from being a little anxious and you get over 40 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 2: it shortly to it's like an unwanted friend who just 41 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: won't leave and you're like, I wish I could make 42 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: this get out, and I find I notice it first 43 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: in my body. My face will get hot, my hands 44 00:01:58,280 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: will shake, my stomach will hurt. 45 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: There's like fifteen different varieties about. 46 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: How you feel it in your body, and then what 47 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 2: happens is now your mind gets in there like, well, 48 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: why am I anxious? Because I don't always even know 49 00:02:09,280 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 2: what's causing that. It's just know that I'm feeling it 50 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: in my body. And so that creates the problem because 51 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: now I go searching for it. My mind's going through 52 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: every possible reason I get to have to feel anxious, 53 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: and that just makes me more anxious because now I'm 54 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 2: trying to go through this and get all the dots. 55 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: And I found it's almost impossible to think your way 56 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 2: out of anxiety, and especially if you've gone through trauma, 57 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 2: it's just part of the journey. 58 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 3: Well do you think the anxiety was pointing to something deeper? 59 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: You know? 60 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: I found several reasons for it. One the first time 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 2: I remember having a panic attack, and a series of 62 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: panic attacks. What happened was there was a core belief 63 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: that was driving it. Until I got to that core 64 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: belief and removed it, it didn't stop. At the time, 65 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 2: I was working with somebody who was involved with some 66 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 2: very dangerous people. I didn't realize it, but somewhere underneath 67 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: I was afraid those dangerous people were going to get 68 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: my family as soon as I set it out loud, though, 69 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: it's like it broke and it left, because in that case, 70 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: it was very much a belief oriented anxiety. But it 71 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: hasn't always been that way. Sometimes I find it can 72 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: be layered. I had a time in my life where 73 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 2: I remember drawing it out almost like concentric domes, like 74 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 2: I felt domes of doom, I called them. 75 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 1: And they were related to finances. 76 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: In this case, it's like I am so upside down 77 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 2: with my personal finances, and then I was looking at 78 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 2: the economy and like the economy is upside down, This 79 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: isn't never get to get better, and then it just 80 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: goes up. And what happened was I realized that you 81 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: kind of get the spider web of beliefs that are 82 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 2: underneath it. It's nice when it's just one and you 83 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: can kind to get rid of that one lie and 84 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: it all resolves, but there's times when it's almost like 85 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 2: a web of beliefs that have to get unraveled. So, yeah, 86 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: a little too familiar with the anxiety journey. It's been 87 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: something I've worked really hard at trying to find some 88 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: answers for because it was very personal for me. 89 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, many believers that anxiety might mean that their 90 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: faith is weak. They may think, if I trusted God more, 91 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: I wouldn't feel this way, or if I prayed harder, 92 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 3: this would disappear. So first, how does God use distress 93 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: to reveal what's happening inside our hearts? 94 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 2: Well, emotions are like an alarm system. What happens is 95 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 2: when the alarms go off, it's a sign that there's something. 96 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: Going on underneath the hood. 97 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: And so I'm like, all right, I got to lift 98 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: the lid and take a look underneath there, and I 99 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: look for three things in particular, is there a wound, 100 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: a memory of a wound that's getting triggered. Is there 101 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: a belief that is active because of that wound? 102 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: And have I made. 103 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 2: Some kind of a vow in my life where I 104 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 2: am trying to take control of something because I don't 105 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: trust God. Because what I find is that faith isn't 106 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: just this universal thing. My parts of my heart trust 107 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:50,039 Speaker 2: God completely, But then I've got these wounded places in 108 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 2: my heart where I don't trust God at all. And 109 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: so what happens was when I get triggered, it's like 110 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 2: the wounded part of my heart takes over. And when 111 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: the wounded part of my heart takes over it believed lies, 112 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: and it has made vows, and those vows are all 113 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 2: about I don't trust God. So I'm going to take 114 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: control of this and I'm going to make sure that 115 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: I make my life work. And the end result is 116 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: that I live in bondage out of that part of 117 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: my heart. And so I find it a little bit 118 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 2: of a mixed bag because people can have both. They 119 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: can have great faith in some areas of their life 120 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: and weak faith in other parts of their life. And 121 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: there is an element of unbelief involved in fear, but 122 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: it isn't often the root. It's more like the fruit. 123 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 2: My unbelief is one of the fruits of what's underneath 124 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 2: their driving it. 125 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: Okay, with that being said, I'm hearing that we need 126 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: to take a pause. We've got to look at it somehow. 127 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: So how do you do that? What's one or two 128 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: practical steps that we can encourage our listeners to take 129 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: to get closer to that riot of their distress. 130 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: I find that there's a time to dive into it 131 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: and there's a time not to. Sometimes we actually need 132 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: to distract ourself from the anxiety to not deal with it. 133 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 2: Right now, because I find that when people are in 134 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: high distress just stay there and all they do all 135 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: day long is try to figure it out. And so 136 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 2: sometimes we actually do need to distract ourself out of it. 137 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,159 Speaker 2: We need to replace those thoughts, we need to get 138 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 2: it relationally engaged. 139 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: One of my books is called Breakthrough. 140 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 2: It talks about five engines that drive our emotions, and 141 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 2: so because of that, there can be different solutions to 142 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: the anxiety in our life, and so trying to bring 143 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 2: it down to just one thing is sometimes what the 144 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: problem is. Like we're trying to say, hey, do this 145 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 2: one thing in your anxiety will resolve. So it might 146 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: actually be helpful if I explained the five engines, because 147 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: it helps people think about what could be causing my 148 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,040 Speaker 2: anxiety and what and it gives you different options for 149 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 2: what you could do about it. 150 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: Excellent. 151 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 2: There are three physical engines and two spiritual ones. So 152 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,160 Speaker 2: the three physical engines is my body, and that is 153 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: sometimes there's something wrong in my. 154 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: Body and that's causing the anxiety. 155 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: There can be times when I'm just not getting enough sleepy, 156 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 2: I've got a bad diet, and then once I have 157 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 2: a good meal and I get my sleep routine done, 158 00:06:57,680 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: my anxiety goes away. 159 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: It can literally be physical. 160 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: So that's one. Two is my beliefs, And we've talked 161 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 2: about that. A little anxiety in particular is always rooted 162 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 2: in beliefs, because I would say that anxiety is rooted 163 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: in imagination, and that is I can imagine having to 164 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 2: go through something I couldn't handle, all right, So my 165 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 2: beliefs are going to try to keep me stuck in 166 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 2: cycles of what if scenarios. 167 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: That I can't handle. 168 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 2: Yes, So tho there's the beliefs engine, and when that's 169 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 2: what's going on, it can help identifying what are the 170 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: most common what ifs that come down? 171 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: Write them down and then ask. 172 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 2: God, show me what are the replacement of beliefs you 173 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: want me to have instead? So the next time that 174 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: one gets triggered, like it comes up like what if 175 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: I get in trouble the irs? What if things don't 176 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: work out in that relationship right now? So what's the 177 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 2: replacement thought you want me to have? And kind of 178 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: preload my attack plan if you will, for that. The 179 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 2: third one is bonding, and bonding has to do with 180 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 2: isolation versus connection or fear bonding versus joy bonding. And 181 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 2: one of the things I noticed is that even in 182 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 2: my most anxiate state, when I was one on one 183 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:05,679 Speaker 2: with somebody and we were really connecting, it all went away. 184 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 2: Like while I was in that relational moment and engaged 185 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: with them, the anxiety went away. And I realized it's 186 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: because activity is actually shifting to a different part of 187 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 2: my brain, and because when I feel anxiety, I'm functioning 188 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: out of one part of my brain, but when I'm 189 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 2: functioning out of relational joy, I'm in a completely different 190 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: part of my brain. And so when I can experience 191 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: relational joy with somebody, it can help to minimize the anxiety. 192 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: And the same way, like take a little child who 193 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: is scared of a thunderstorm, just being with mom or 194 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: dad can somehow be enough to calm that. Just being 195 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: with somebody who isn't overwhelmed by it, who I feel 196 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: happy being. 197 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: With, is enough to make the anxiety go away. 198 00:08:45,400 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 2: So sometimes it's a bonding thing, and that is I 199 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: feel isolated with this, I feel all alone with this. 200 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 2: I feel like nobody gets me, nobody understands, and that 201 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: adds to the overwhelm of what's going on. 202 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: And then you get all. 203 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: Three of these working together, right a beliefs or viving 204 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 2: one thing. My body is reacting. I feel all alone 205 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: in it, and that's when you get peak anxiety because 206 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,199 Speaker 2: all of those things are working together. So those are 207 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: the three physical engines, and then the two spiritual ones 208 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: are basically the Holy Spirit and demons and the Devil's 209 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 2: the father of lies. So if I'm dealing with beliefs, 210 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: then you can pretty be pretty sure somewhere in there 211 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 2: there's demons that are that are actively trying to feed 212 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: me beliefs that are going to keep me stuck there. 213 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 2: And so sometimes there is a spiritual warfare component to this, 214 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: and I have to take thoughts captive, I have to 215 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: command things to leave. And then there's the Holy Spirit, 216 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 2: who's the spirit of truth and he's the spirit of comfort. 217 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 2: And if I can form a relational connection with the Spirit, 218 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 2: then it gets me in the relational part of my brain. 219 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: And sometimes all. 220 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 2: That helps as well. So those five engines body beliefs bonding, 221 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: three bees, body belie sponding, and then Holy Spirit wicked spirits. 222 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: And what that tells me is like, if I'm using 223 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: the same strategy over and over again, maybe I need 224 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: to try one of those other engines, Like maybe I 225 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: need to change something physically. Maybe I need to get 226 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 2: a game plan for my beliefs and how I'm going 227 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: to take those captive. Maybe I find a way to 228 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: get more joy more joyful connections with people. Maybe there's 229 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: a spiritual warfare element and I've got to address, or 230 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: there's a walking in the spirit element to this that 231 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: needs to grow in my life. And so I look 232 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: at all those things and for me, I find that 233 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: all of them played a role. 234 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,239 Speaker 3: Then you have some tools in your tool belt. 235 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,479 Speaker 1: That way exactly. 236 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: That's the whole goal is let's like have a bunch 237 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 2: of tools here and not just rely on one thing 238 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 2: to always fix it. 239 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: It's good. So anxiety may be revealing something and instead 240 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: of trying to eliminate anxiety immediately, maybe this anxiety is 241 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: telling us something you talked about a little bit earlier 242 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: about lies and fear based Can you talk a little 243 00:10:58,800 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 3: bit more about those and how? 244 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I teach a basic model I call wolves 245 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: w It's like if you take the vowels out, it's 246 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: wlvs and it's wound wounds. And the idea is that 247 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: the world the devil in the flesh are working together 248 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: to create problems in my life. 249 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: So the world wounds me. And when my. 250 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 2: Heart gets wounded, it's like this pocket of pain gets 251 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: formed in my heart. And once that wound is there, 252 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: now the devil shows up and he lies to me, 253 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: and he tells me things that. 254 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: Feel true, but they're not. 255 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: And so I begin to believe things that lead to 256 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 2: all kinds of emotions. They can lead to despair as 257 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: well as anxiety. In fact, sometimes you have a combination 258 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 2: of the two. So anxiety is like stepping on the 259 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: emotional gas, and despairs like stepping on the emotional breaks. 260 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: And you know what happens to a car if you 261 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 2: step on both at the same time, right, they just 262 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: kind of shakes. So a lot of us know that 263 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: feeling really well, and that's because the devil is the 264 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 2: multiple kinds of seeds now in this wounded place in 265 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 2: my heart. When I believe those, when I'm like that 266 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 2: that feels true to me and I agree with the 267 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: devil lies, it's like I'm entering into an agreement with 268 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: the devil and saying you're right, God is wrong. I'm 269 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 2: in agreement with you on this. That gives him permission 270 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: now to hang out doesn't mean you're possessed, but it 271 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: means he's kind of in the area. He's hanging around, 272 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: and he's got more access than. 273 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: He would have had. And then the flesh gets involved. 274 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 2: Who got the world wounds us, the devil lies to us, 275 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 2: and then our flesh is the part of us that 276 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: doesn't trust God, and that's the part that says, well, 277 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 2: God didn't protect me from this. I don't know if 278 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: I can trust God to take care of me in 279 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: the future, so I better do something to take care 280 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: of myself. 281 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: And that's a vow. 282 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: A vow starts with an I will statement, like I 283 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 2: will never let this happen, I will never experience this again. 284 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 2: I will never let myself be vulnerable. It's like some 285 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: kind of I will statement where I'm trying to take control. 286 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: And I find that one of the things that makes 287 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 2: anxiety worse is that we're not just trying to stop 288 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: it now. We want to never feel it again, and 289 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: so we're looking for a solution that won't just help 290 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 2: me right now. We're looking for something that will take 291 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: care of this forever, so that I never have to 292 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: deal with this again. That just does exists for daily 293 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 2: battles that we all go through. 294 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,680 Speaker 1: I'll el say that. 295 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 2: At the physical level, we feel every emotion that we feel. 296 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: Through our bodies. 297 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: Right once our anxiety starts, there are chemicals and hormones 298 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 2: that are activating our bodies. And even if you resolve 299 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: it immediately, it could take half an hour for your 300 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 2: body to completely calm down because it takes time for 301 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: all that stuff to process out. So some of this 302 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 2: is giving yourself grace to realize that no matter what 303 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 2: you do, this might take a little bit for this 304 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 2: to all go away. 305 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 3: My son used to get panic attacks like you're talking about. 306 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 3: It seems like it's a self perpetuating cycle. You know, 307 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,839 Speaker 3: get nervous, you're going to have an anxiety attack again, 308 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: and then it comes, and then it comes, and then 309 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 3: it comes. 310 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, because what happens is you start fearing fear itself. 311 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:44,959 Speaker 3: That's it, That's exactly it. 312 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, So tell me this. 313 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 3: You're supposed to take every thought captive? Do that in 314 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: the middle of a panic attack because Second Corinthians ten 315 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 3: to five talks about taking thoughts captive. What does it 316 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: look like beyond just thinking differently? 317 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: So there have a couple of different tools for this. 318 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: One of them we call an if prayer, And if. 319 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: IF prayers, I say, God, if I have believed the 320 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 2: thought from the devil, then I renounce it in Jesus name, 321 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: and I command whatever spirit's telling me this to leave, 322 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 2: and uh, I ask you instead to show me what 323 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 2: you want me to be thinking about. Right now, that's 324 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: one prayer, and I'm going to assume that if I'm 325 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: in fear and panic, I'm believing something from the enemy, and. 326 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: So I'm like God, I just confess I don't know 327 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: what it is. But if there's a lie, I need 328 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: to resounce what You bring it to my mind and 329 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: then you write it down. 330 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: You say, I renounce that lie in Jesus name, and 331 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: then I command whatever spirit is behind that lie to 332 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 2: leave too, and you get out. 333 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: Of here with it. 334 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: Because I find sometimes there's a messenger behind those things. Sure, 335 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: then another tool for that, especially in the middle of it, 336 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: is in the middle of it. I often won't try 337 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 2: to find the lie while I'm in the middle of 338 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 2: a panic. 339 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: I will just. 340 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: Try to quiet my body first a little, and then 341 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: once I quiet my body a little, then it's easier 342 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: to deal with the root issues. Not in the middle 343 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: of the attack. And so we talk about best practices 344 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: for quieting, and it is I want to slightly exaggerate 345 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 2: how my body is reacting to this. Now, no, don't 346 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 2: exaggerate the emotion. You don't say I'm feeling a fear. 347 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: I want to feel terror. 348 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: That's not. 349 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: But the goal here is slightly exaggerate how your body 350 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 2: is reacting to fear. So shake even more, make your 351 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 2: eyes even bigger, Because what you're trying to do in 352 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: quieting is you're trying to get control of your body 353 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 2: back from an emotion that is hijacked It this panic, 354 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: this fear has hijacked my body. I want to get 355 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 2: back in control of my body. So partly exaggerating my 356 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 2: body's reaction to the emotion puts me back in control 357 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: of my body a little. 358 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: Then I want to soothe. 359 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: One of my favorite ones is start at the shoulders 360 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: and rub down and then breathe so and a rub 361 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 2: like I'm saying, okay, I'm just rubbing this right out. 362 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: Also splashing cold water on your face, doing things to 363 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: change your body chemistry because of what's going going on, 364 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: to help bring some some control back over your body. 365 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 2: So exaggerate, soothe, maybe splash and water on there, dry 366 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 2: it off. 367 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: Get warm, and then breathe. 368 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: And then in addition to that, people do tapping, they 369 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 2: do other things. All of those, all of those practices 370 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 2: are designed to do one thing, and that is how 371 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: do I get control of my body back from this emotion. 372 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: There's also then something I do with my mind, and 373 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 2: I use the acrostic dream to help me think through this, okay, 374 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 2: And so the DA is distract yourself. 375 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: Because if I find if I'm constantly just going. 376 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 2: What's causing this, What's causing this, what's causing this, I 377 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: just stay focused on my anxiety, and sometimes I need 378 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: to distract myself out of it. 379 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: And so I'll go and just do something. 380 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: And I found that focusing on another problem is sometimes 381 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 2: easier than focusing on something happy. 382 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: And that is, Okay, this problem's consuming me. But what 383 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: if I do a math problem, or what if I. 384 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: Just focus on this other area of my life, or 385 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 2: there's a problem that needs to be solved and I 386 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: just get to get my focus on a different problem. 387 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: Sometimes that helps, and within ten to fifteen minutes, I 388 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: realize I'm not thinking about this problem anymore. I'm focused 389 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: on another one that helps me kind of set the 390 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: stage now to replace my thinking thoughts. I want to 391 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 2: think about something else, not just say stop thinking that, 392 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 2: stop thinking that. I want to replace it. And that's 393 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 2: part taking thoughts captive is replacing the thought with something else. 394 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 2: And then I'll look for e as I look for 395 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 2: a way to engage with another person, I'll make a 396 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: phone call, I'll try to connect, go and meet with somebody. 397 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: Knowing that I can have a relational connection with somebody 398 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: often helps. And then A is appreciation, and that is 399 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,159 Speaker 2: I have a list of things that I go to 400 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: that routinely are easy for me to enter into joy 401 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: and appreciation about. So they are usually memories of things 402 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: that were very happy in my life. 403 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 1: And then the m is I make a plan. 404 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: And this is like what the military teaches, and that 405 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: is you write down what's the worst thing that could 406 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 2: happen right, what's the best thing that could happen right, 407 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 2: what's most likely. 408 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 1: To happen, and then you just make a. 409 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 2: Simple one or two step plan on dealing with what's 410 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 2: most likely to happen. So I use best and I 411 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 2: use dream. It's kind of the core tools that I 412 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:01,120 Speaker 2: gathered to try to help me deal with my body 413 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 2: and my beliefs and taking thoughts captive. And I find 414 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 2: that taking thoughts captive is primarily about replacing those thoughts, 415 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: and when there's a warfare element to it, sometimes I've 416 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 2: also got to deal with demons and command them to 417 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 2: leave as well as And if I do the two 418 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: things together, if I can replace the thoughts and command 419 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 2: demons to leave, and then bring in the Holy Spirit 420 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 2: and say, God show me the truth, the combination of 421 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 2: all those engines gives me the best chance of getting 422 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 2: some resolution. 423 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: Polutely in the Holy Spirit. He is stronger than the 424 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 3: one that's in the world, So you're using all your tools. 425 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:46,360 Speaker 3: Sounds like from what you're saying that anxiety often has 426 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 3: a message attached to it. What are some of the 427 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 3: most common lies that anxiety whispers. 428 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: You can't handle this, This is going to be too 429 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 2: much for you. It will often pair with other things 430 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 2: like shame and just But anxiety is almost always with 431 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 2: what if is in there? And so back to it's 432 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 2: like what if they come after you? What if you 433 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: don't get enough money by the end of the month, 434 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 2: What if God doesn't protect you again? So anxiety is 435 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 2: almost always going to have a what if belief connected 436 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 2: to it, and anxiety is always rooted in uncertainty. The 437 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 2: problem with this is that there are no end to 438 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: what if scenarios. So you can resolve one or two 439 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,919 Speaker 2: or three of them, and your mind will just generate 440 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 2: two or three more. And that's why constantly going after 441 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 2: that that belief and that of it isn't as helpful 442 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 2: as Let's go back to the wound wounding event. Let's 443 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: find out what the core lie was that came out 444 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 2: of that wounding event. Let's replace that core lie. Let's 445 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: renounce the vows that we've made, and let's let's develop 446 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: some new vows that are going to trust God with it. 447 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: And so we invite the Holy Spirit into that wounding 448 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: memory in my past. So we have a lot of tools, 449 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: and I've got two core books that do this. One 450 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 2: is Building Bounce, and building Bounce is how we grow resilience, 451 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 2: and that's where we're going to have the best practices 452 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: and all those other things are in that. And then 453 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 2: I have one called Understanding the Wounded Heart, and that 454 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 2: gets to these issue of wounds, the wounds, the lies, 455 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 2: the bows that create strongholds in my life and how to. 456 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: Get rid of them. 457 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 2: And then overall that I don't want to people. But 458 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 2: is the book breakthrough? And that is the word teaches 459 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 2: the five engines. So I guess I have three books 460 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: on this subject. One is a breakthrough. You know, how 461 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 2: do I how do I find experience breakthrough? And the 462 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: basic idea there is that because there's five engines, a 463 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 2: lot of us are stuck because we're only addressing one 464 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: of them. The idea behind understanding the wounded heart is, well, 465 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:37,959 Speaker 2: what do I do about these pockets of pain in 466 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 2: my life? How can I invite Jesus in there and 467 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 2: actually get some healing and resolution to some of these 468 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 2: core beliefs. 469 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: And then building. 470 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: Bounce is about what are new skills that I can 471 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 2: develop in my life? What are new habits that I 472 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 2: can develop that will help me move forward? So they 473 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 2: all kind of work together. 474 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 3: You're recognizing a lie and you replace it with the 475 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: truth that so you're dealing with it both intellectually and internally. 476 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: It's to me, you do Yeah, That's why I said, 477 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: there's gond be a lot of elements to this, and 478 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: that's why there's some things you can do on your own. 479 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: There's some things you need a counselor for. There's things 480 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: you need a prayer minister for who's actually going to 481 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 2: help you deal with some of the spiritual stuff. And 482 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: there's things you need to be in a group and 483 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 2: in a community with because you need to be able 484 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 2: to share this. 485 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: With other people. 486 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: And so what I look at here is that what 487 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 2: I'm trying to do, bottom line, is not just get 488 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 2: rid of the immediate pain of the fear. I'm trying 489 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:30,919 Speaker 2: to grow my capacity to handle more emotional weight without 490 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: getting triggered. 491 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: Interesting, right, So the core. 492 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: Thing I'm actually trying to do is I'm trying to 493 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 2: grow my capacity, and that means there's some repair work 494 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: that needs to happen, and there's some new skills I 495 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 2: need to build, and there's both things going on. So 496 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:46,719 Speaker 2: repair work can be invite the Holy Spirit to do 497 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 2: healing work and things from the past. It can be 498 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 2: replacing the lies with truth. That's all repair work. The 499 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 2: building stuff is learning these skills like breathing and soothing 500 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: and learning how to take thoughts captive because what I've 501 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: realizes that the only thing that we really fear is 502 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 2: an emotion we're not sure we can handle. 503 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 3: That's interesting. 504 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 2: So you mentioned before like you can fear fear right 505 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 2: because I know I can't handle that emotion. So I'm 506 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 2: afraid that emotion is going to show up and I 507 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: won't know what to do about it. But I might 508 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: also be a fear feeling shame because I don't know 509 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 2: how to deal with that emotion. And what happens with 510 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: every emotion that I don't know how to handle. My 511 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 2: world gets smaller. Yes, this, my world gets smaller. The 512 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: only thing left is the anxiety. And that's what happens 513 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 2: to a lot of us is that as our world 514 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 2: is shrinking around just that. And so when we talk 515 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: about growing my capacity, it's like learning the skills that 516 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 2: it takes to deal with these emotions. And that's where 517 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 2: building bounds comes in. That's really focusing on what are 518 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: these skills that we need to build? 519 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: How do we do that? So repair and. 520 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 3: Rebuild, Like the part that you talk about connection is 521 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: such a big point of it. This really shifts how 522 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 3: we view what God is doing in our anxiety. Then, 523 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 3: in my opinion, he might be pointing us towards something 524 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 3: that he wants us to notice. So why does God 525 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 3: seem more focused on connection rather than immediate relief? 526 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: Do you think? 527 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: I think it's because the whole purpose of life is love. 528 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,119 Speaker 2: Love the Lord, your God with all your heart, and 529 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 2: love your neighbors, yourself. God created us for connection, and 530 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, most of our anxieties 531 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 2: are related to feeling alone and feeling like I'm going 532 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 2: to be in something I can't handle and nobody's going 533 00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: to understand it, nobody's going to be able to get 534 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: me out of this. And we've called out to God 535 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: so many times that we've kind of give up on him, 536 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 2: but we're afraid to give up on him. 537 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,360 Speaker 1: And so it becomes this catch twenty two. 538 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: I understand when you're in the middle of the struggle, 539 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 2: it creates its own kind of hopelessness. And that's why 540 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: it One of the things that defines a stronghold in 541 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 2: our lives is that something that God has told me 542 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 2: as possible feels impossible. And so when I see that, 543 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,400 Speaker 2: I know the devils at work. I know that there's 544 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 2: something going on here that isn't from God, and that 545 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: means that there's a battle here. You can tell I'm 546 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: trying to tell people this can be kind of of 547 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 2: a life reshaping thing. 548 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: That what God is doing is he's. 549 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,919 Speaker 2: Using the anxiety to point out that we kind of 550 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: need to reshape our lives, that we've built them on 551 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 2: the wrong foundation, or we've built them out on avoidance, 552 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: thinking that avoiding things will keep me from feeling fear. 553 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: But that's not actually what keeps me from feeling fear. 554 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: I've got to face things in little doses and gradually 555 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 2: build up my ability to handle more and more of 556 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: those things. But the more I have to run away 557 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 2: from things, and the more I rely on a small 558 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: world to get me through, I just set myself up 559 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 2: for more anxiety because the smaller my world gets, the 560 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 2: more things there are out there that can rock the 561 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: boat and get me at a place I don't think 562 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,439 Speaker 2: I can handle. That's why I think a big part 563 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: of what's going on is God saying it's time to 564 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 2: reshape your life, and it's time to take a look 565 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 2: at all these various pathways. And for some people, I 566 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: think the best place to start is actually with connection, 567 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 2: Like they just need to be around people more and 568 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: with people who make them smile. Then it's easier to 569 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 2: change your blo If you actually have somebody who's happy 570 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 2: to be with you, then, right than to change your 571 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: beliefs when you're all by yourself and overwhelmed. 572 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 3: Well, that's true, and anxiety might reveal too. When you're 573 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 3: talking about reshaping our life. Maybe God's trying to get 574 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 3: our attention in that anxiety, and maybe maybe we're feeling 575 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: like our connection with him is strained or distant when 576 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 3: our world is so small like that. 577 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's not going to feel close to you. 578 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,719 Speaker 2: If you were in a battle of anxiety. God is 579 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: not going to feel close because if he felt close, 580 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: you wouldn't be anxious. So part of the anxiety is 581 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 2: why don't you feel close? 582 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:35,959 Speaker 1: What is going on here? Where are you? 583 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:37,919 Speaker 2: Are you not here because you don't care? Are you 584 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: not here. 585 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: Because there's something wrong with me? I mean, what's going 586 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: on here? 587 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: So part of the anxiety is I wish God felt 588 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: closer to me right now. I could really use that, 589 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: and I don't know how to do it. But that's 590 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 2: part of the reshaping our lives is learning how to 591 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 2: form a connection with God, how to form more connections 592 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: with people. That's a tall part of it. So there 593 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 2: can be a season where I cut way back. 594 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what happened with me. 595 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 2: I had to cut way back on my obligations and 596 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 2: slow the pace of my life down. And I had 597 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 2: to form more consistent relationships with people and not be 598 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: so isolated. And I, you know, I needed to work 599 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 2: on practicing appreciation on a daily basis. I needed to 600 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: work on quieting on a daily basis. 601 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:19,880 Speaker 1: And I had to. 602 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 2: Rebuild my life. I had to rebuilding direction the way 603 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 2: I was living. And it was a combination of all 604 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: of those things that really got me to a place 605 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,120 Speaker 2: where I was not that I never got anxious again, 606 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 2: but I was recovering much faster and was not getting 607 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: overwhelmed as easily. Once you get to a certain point, 608 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 2: you begin to notice that there are particular triggers, and 609 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 2: wherever there's a trigger, I think there's a wound. 610 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: And so when you get triggered. 611 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,359 Speaker 2: The first question I would ask is God, is there 612 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 2: a wound underneath this that is triggering this? 613 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: What is that wound? 614 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 2: And then I want to invite Jesus, would you come 615 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:53,960 Speaker 2: and talk to me about that wound? Is there something 616 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: you want me to know? 617 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 3: And you have to do that by being still. You 618 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 3: can't be rushing around like you were saying. So that 619 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 3: makes me think of some twenty six' ten be still 620 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 3: and know THAT i Am. God we have to, sometimes 621 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 3: don't we mentally and physically we. 622 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: Do but you. 623 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: Can't just choose to suddenly be still when your body 624 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 2: is right in all. 625 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 1: This so what You? Yeah so that's. 626 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 2: Why we say there's a process to this being. Still 627 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 2: maybe some a goal That i'm, setting like an hour from, 628 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,560 Speaker 2: Now i'm going to be. Quiet right, Now i'm going 629 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 2: to do the things that are going to get me, 630 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 2: there and then an hour from Now i'll be Inviting 631 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: jesus into this memory and see what he wants to. 632 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 2: DO i just don't want people to false hope that 633 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: one thing will. 634 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 1: Take care of. 635 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: It but there are times when one thing does fix, 636 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 2: it and that can be confusing because it's, like, well 637 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 2: why did it fix it for that person but it 638 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: didn't fix it for? Me And i'd say it's because 639 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 2: there are five engines and maybe the one thing that 640 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: was broken for them was. That but maybe with you 641 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 2: at something else or at some other. COMBINATION i like you. 642 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,200 Speaker 3: Said that anxiety often points to where trust has been, 643 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 3: wounded and we got to slow, down focus on Where 644 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,960 Speaker 3: god is in. That, Okay so with all, that for 645 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 3: someone listening right now who feels, overwhelmed what's one, small 646 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 3: manageable way they can deepen their connection With christ this? 647 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,920 Speaker 1: Week, yeah SO i would do. THIS i would two. 648 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: Steps, one find something that you appreciate that makes you, 649 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 2: smile and try to stay engaged with that feeling and 650 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 2: that thought for a full. Minute WHAT i find is 651 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 2: When i'm in anxiety AND i try to appreciate, something 652 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: it is often snatched away in like a one to two. 653 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: Second it's at. 654 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 2: Of, like, OH i really like, this this is so, 655 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: good and then my brain will come in and, go this. 656 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 1: Is, stupid why are you doing? This and it'll snatch 657 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: the appreciation. 658 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 2: Away so you got to give yourself permission to enjoy 659 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: things and to focus on prolonging the amount of time 660 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 2: that you that you can keep a quiet mind and 661 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: an unappreciative. Mind and if you can do that two 662 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: to three times a, day don't wait until you're. Triggered 663 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 2: in other, words just a couple of times a day 664 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,959 Speaker 2: quiet and practice. Appreciation there was a study done that 665 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 2: people who could stay in a place of quiet and 666 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: appreciation for five minutes, consecutively two times a, day and 667 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: did that for thirty days in a. Row their brain 668 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: began to rewire itself so that peace and joy started feeling. 669 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: Normal so If i's, like say you're gonna do one, 670 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 2: thing that's what it would. Be try to practice five 671 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: minutes a, day a couple of times a day where 672 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 2: you just are quiet and the only thoughts in your 673 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 2: mind are related to things you appreciate and things that 674 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 2: make you. 675 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: Happy and then. 676 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 2: If you can do that five minutes a, day what 677 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 2: you're doing is you're training your, brain because right now 678 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 2: the brain, thinks, oh what we're looking for is things 679 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: to be scared. Of and your brain's, like WELL i 680 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 2: can do. That i'm really good at. That is that 681 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: what we're focusing. 682 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: On i'll do. 683 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 2: That and so WHAT i got to do is retrain 684 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: my brain What i'm looking, for things to appreciate and 685 00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: things to. Enjoy and eventually you'll have to retrain your 686 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 2: brain to, go, oh well that's what we're. Doing, OKAY 687 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: i can do. That you, know, well let's start looking 688 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: for things to appreciate and. Enjoy don't try to do 689 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: it during an. Attack do it while you're already, okay 690 00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 2: and then when you're in an, attack just tell yourself 691 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 2: this will. Pass these things will. Pass AND i have a, 692 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 2: plan AND i have a plan to grow my capacity over, 693 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: time and this isn't going to be. Forever build out 694 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,120 Speaker 2: a plan around these five engines of what you're going 695 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 2: to do to grow your. Capacity it might take a couple, 696 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 2: months it might take a, Year but what's worth the 697 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 2: Work IF i work hard at this for a, month 698 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 2: OR i work hard at this for a, year and 699 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 2: then after that, year this is not a big issue 700 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: for me. ANYMORE i don't think too many people are 701 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: going to turn down that, deal so, Right thank, YOU. 702 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 3: Rt thank. You you have given us so many tools 703 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 3: and so many things to think about to make it. 704 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: Practical sometimes what we're feeling isn't something to push, away 705 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: but an imitation to go deeper With, god not just 706 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 3: to find, relief but to find healing with these tools 707 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: and things that you've given. Us, listeners thank you for. 708 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 3: Listening if you haven't already done, SO i encourage you 709 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 3: to subscribe to this podcast so you won't miss a single, 710 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: episode and rate, it share it with your, friends and 711 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 3: until next, time may you live as one who has 712 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:51,360 Speaker 3: been truly set free