1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Life Audio. Hey Chris, thanks for joining me. Great to 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: see you buddy again once again. Award winning singer Chris Tomlin, 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: who was featured in the new movie The First Him. 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: The First hammovie dot com as the website. The film 5 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: traces the discovery of what many scholars believe is the 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: oldest known Christian him about one years old. Of course, Chris, 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: we have music and scripture, but this is the oldest 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: known Christian him complete, I believe, with lyrics and musical notations. Yet, 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: what was your reaction when you first heard about this 10 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: and when they asked you to be involved in this. Yeah, 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: my buddy Ben Fielding, who is the incredible songwriter. People 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: would know his songs, amazing songs, and he called me 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: and said, I got an idea and I want to 14 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: run by you if you'd be interested. And he shared 15 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: with me this idea of this early the first hymn 16 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: ever discovered, the first song ever discovered from the two 17 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: hundreds in and it had musical notations, not musical notation 18 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: that we would know. It's completely foreign to us, but 19 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: it had it had some notation it had and it 20 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: had a lyric and it was a It was a 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: piece of papyrus that was torn and it was in 22 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: a trash heap that was discovered and it has been 23 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 1: in a vault in Oxford, and it's like and he said, 24 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: my friend John Dixon, he said, look for you get 25 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: on the call with us if you would and talk 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: it through. So I get on a call, a zoom 27 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: call with this guy, John Dixon, who is this Australian 28 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: historian and theologian. And this has been his project, his 29 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: something he's been wanting to do for years, bring this 30 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 1: to life, bring this song back to the church. What 31 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: it'd be like to bring this song back to the church, 32 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: And so you can imagine I was. It was fear 33 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: and trembling for man, like, that's a massive responsibility to 34 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: take something so precious. I mean, this is the earliest 35 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: known lyric ever discovered obviously outside like you said, outside 36 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: the Psalms and some of the songs in the Bible. 37 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: This is the earliest known since And so yeah, he's like, 38 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: would you guys, could you guys, what do you think 39 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: about thinking this and creating it in a modern way? 40 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 1: And I said, wow, what a privilege is So ben 41 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: as beginning we've been getting to go to work, it said, 42 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, no promise is, but let's see what happens, 43 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: you know, and that and that was the third of 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: the journey. What is the challenge then, of honoring the 45 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: original text while making it kind of new? 46 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: I guess for today, what's really cool is what John 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: to be able to have someone like John alongside was, 48 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: who is an historian, who as theologian, who knows so 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 2: much more about this than I would ever know, who's 50 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,239 Speaker 2: given this life to the study of these things. 51 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: He said, what you need to know a couple of things, guys. 52 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: One is this melody, although it's foreign to us, was 53 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: a common melody of the day. It would have been 54 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: like a pop melody of the day. Wasn't some it's 55 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: not some Gregorian chant. It's not something you think of 56 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: the ancient songs of the church. It's not that at all. 57 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,839 Speaker 1: This would have just been a common song of the day. 58 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: The way they have sung it. This melody had been 59 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: very common to the Egyptian people. So that was interesting. 60 00:02:58,360 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: So it's like he says, so I want you to 61 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: have the freedom to make it in the common language 62 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: of today, a common melody that people would think of today. 63 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: And then he began to just and then we get 64 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: to share a little bit about some of the melodies 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: and how they worked, and so we pulled some of 66 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: that in this to the song. And like I said, 67 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: it's a piece of pirates that is torn, and so 68 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: we don't have the full lyric, and so we had 69 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: I think it's about thirty nine words or something like 70 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: that that was on there, and so there was a 71 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 1: so Ben and I added a couple of little phrases 72 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: to kind of make it all feel like a song 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: today and just started going were just throwing different ideas 74 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: and what resonated, and just pray and asking God, what 75 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: would what's the right way to do this, and just 76 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: asking God for a melody and asking him, you know, 77 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: and writing this together. And I'm really pleased how it 78 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 1: came out. I think, if I remember correct, with the 79 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: hymn references to the Trinity, it does, which which comes 80 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: a full century before the Council of Nicea in three five, 81 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: which of course makes this like it takes it up 82 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: a level in terms of significant and important. So that's 83 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: exciting for you guys to be able to tackle that. 84 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 1: I was going to ask you about hymns. Christian Christians, 85 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: of course, often debate hims versus contemporary worship songs. Yeah, 86 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: after working on this, how do you see those two 87 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 1: traditions fitting together? Did this change in perspective? I mean, 88 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: I know, I know you guys, even someone who's always 89 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: embraced both, But how does how does perhaps this change 90 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 1: of perspective? And what do you think about that question 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 1: of it? YEA, that's a great question because I love 92 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: this is probably my favorite part about the song. But 93 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: him has always been a part, big part of me. 94 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: I feel like as a songwriter, you got to know 95 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 1: it's especially for the church, you need to immerse yourself 96 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: and what's come before you. And I'd love to I 97 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: dig into the hymns always. I love the lyrics. I 98 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: love just letting that and I've always They've always spoken 99 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: to me. And they're powerful and some of the best 100 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: songs ever written. There's a reason some of them will 101 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: lasted a couple of hundred years, three or four hundred years. 102 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: There's a reason for that because they're so beautifully powerful written. 103 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: What I love about this is that it connects us 104 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: obviously to the early church, and it reminds us that 105 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:11,119 Speaker 1: and this is before think about it, this is we're 106 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: singing this, This is before there was well, that's that's 107 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: coming from the Baptist dream, that's coming from the Pentecostal stream, 108 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: and that's come that's a Catholic that's coming from this. 109 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: This just predates all of it. This is just the 110 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: early band of believers who would have maybe lost their 111 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: life for their faith. Grab it in it somewhere in 112 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: a church, somewhere in a little meaning spot somewhere underground. 113 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: This is what they're singing. And wow, and to connect 114 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: us to that, and it takes takes me to the 115 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: pure place for me and where it's not about the 116 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 1: latest thing or the thing. It is just about the 117 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: pure place and bringing praise to God. And Michael, what's 118 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: insane about this is I've always said that the great 119 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: that and I've tried to write songs that point people, 120 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 1: that point people to the greater story to live. I 121 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,559 Speaker 1: think worship it lifts our eyes off ourselfs and points 122 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: people to the greater, the greater story. That's what the 123 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 1: great songs do. And there's this song, the very first 124 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: so that think about this, the very first song we see. 125 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: There's lots of songs. I always call them songs of 126 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: deliverance and songs are transcendence. The songs of deliverance are 127 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: those worship songs of Lord. I need you, amazing grace 128 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 1: that saved a wretch like me. Those songs of the 129 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: songs are full of it, They're amazing. But those songs, 130 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: those songs are transcendence, the Holy, Holy, Holy Right, the 131 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: songs of How great is our God? That all the 132 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: the songs that are just about God are They change 133 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: the room. And isn't it amazing that the very first 134 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: song that we find in a scrap heap in Egypt 135 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: is let all be silent, Let the rivers stop, let 136 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: the mat let the stars stop shining, let all be still. 137 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: To end we Him, the Father's Son and Holy Spirit, 138 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: to the only giver of all good gifts. I mean, 139 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: it's just this sure praise, and it reminds us of that. Meant, 140 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: that's what it's about. It bringing praise and grathering the 141 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: people of God and bringing our praise to God, to 142 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: lifting our eyes to remembering this God and worshiping Him, 143 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: and bringing our praise to the enjoining the eternal song. 144 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: You know, I think about that the long answer to 145 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: your question, But I think about Holy, I think about 146 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: time out tie his name was Holy Forever, and you're like, 147 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: what do you mean? Think about the first verse, and 148 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: this is what I was thinking of when we wrote 149 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: Holy Forever. I was actually this is Holy Forever's but 150 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,559 Speaker 1: was before this opportunity. But I was even thinking about 151 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: this when when I wrote A thousand generations falling down 152 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: in worship to sing the Song of Ages to the Lamb, 153 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: and all who've gone before us, and all who will 154 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: believe will sing the Song of Ages to the Lamb. 155 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,239 Speaker 1: Singing this song is we're joining those who've gone before 156 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: us in a very powerful, powerful way, and just we're 157 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,679 Speaker 1: the next to take that torch right and to lift 158 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: our soul to Jesus. Amen of that. Before we close, 159 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: I want to chat with you about what you're doing 160 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: right now. Of course, you are on a tour right 161 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: now with Winter and Jam. I should also mention you 162 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: have a new album, The King Is Still the King, 163 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,559 Speaker 1: which released I believe last last September. Yes, you're currently 164 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: on Winter Jam. What are one or two things that 165 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: God is teaching you on this tour, Perhaps something you're 166 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: inspired by daily about the body of Christ, or maybe 167 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 1: even personally it's people. I mean, I just love I'm 168 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: seeing I'm getting to connect with on Winter Jam. I'm 169 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: I'm connecting with a lot of people that I've really 170 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm being grief for Everybody's like, I've never seen you 171 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: play before. I've been to because Winners Jam kind of 172 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: has its crowd right as it's ever every year people 173 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: go to Winter Jam no matter who's playing this, but 174 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: I've never this is my first time on Winter Jam. 175 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: Is so I love the hunger. I feel like there's 176 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: a hunger right now, and so connect you with these people, 177 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: a lot of people who it's my first time to 178 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: play this music. I've been doing this thirty thirty years, 179 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: and so many people that are that are coming to this. 180 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: This is the first time I've gotten to play in 181 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: lee worship with these people. And so I've been really 182 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:20,599 Speaker 1: blown away, surprised in a good way of just the 183 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: hunger of people when we just the hunger of worship 184 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: and we ending that every night, holy forever, and how 185 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: great is our God? After all the music, you know, 186 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: a Winter gam it was a long day of music. 187 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: It's a long night of music. It's a lot of 188 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: bands into the exclamation mark, just ending with holy forever 189 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: is how great is our God, disappointing people to God. 190 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: Is singing? What a privilege? I just I am so 191 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: inspired every day and love sing that Pete, love seeing 192 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: these people worship God. And it never My daughter asked 193 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: me this past week when I got home, She goes, Dad, 194 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: does ever get Do you ever get tired of playing 195 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: your own songs? And I was, and I can honestly answer. 196 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I don't I get 197 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: tired of the try. I will get there, of being 198 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: away from home. But I love that moment of being 199 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: with the people every time. It just worshiping God together. 200 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: It's just so special. Well, there's so much negativity in 201 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the world, but it seems like I would think coming 202 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: together multiple nights with thousands of other people and worship 203 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: transforms you, especially if you're on stage leading it. I mean, 204 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: do you do you find it? How does that? I 205 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: guess what I'm asking is, Chris, what are your thoughts 206 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 1: after a long day of maybe watching the news, come 207 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: in together and doing what you do at night during 208 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: winter jam? Is it does it change how you view 209 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: maybe culture, the world, society, the future. It's what worship does, 210 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: It's what worship should do, and it reminds us, lifts 211 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: our eyes to the greater story. There's a there's a 212 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stories going on with worse today's 213 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things going on, a lot of broken. 214 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: It's a lot of hurt wars, things that we don't 215 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: agree with, things do agree with, things that we're just 216 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: so frustrated, and it's just so much, like you know, 217 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: it's this, it's mankind. It's like broken, it's sin, it's awful, 218 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: and it's all you're inundated with. And if you don't 219 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: have those times of like just stepping back and going, 220 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: wait a minute, Governments rise, governments fall, Kingdoms rise, kingdoms fall, 221 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: people rise, people fall, But there is one thing that 222 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: is everlasting. There's one everlasting king. That's why I called 223 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: my record the King is Still the King. That thread 224 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,079 Speaker 1: has woven through this whole the whole album, everything is 225 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 1: everything I'll try to say, and worship is pointing people 226 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: to that that we are part of an everlasting kingdom 227 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: that reigns forever and things on this and that is 228 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: our hope. If we didn't have that, what kind of 229 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 1: hope do you have in this world? I mean, like 230 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: you said, you watch the news. You're like, where's the hope. 231 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: But our hope is in an everlasting kingdom, that one 232 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: day all things will be made right, and that this 233 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,319 Speaker 1: world is broken and is and the Scripture tells us that, 234 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: and that is some that with death where we live in. 235 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: But we are the light of the world. We're sharing 236 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: that light. Get to share that light every day and 237 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: remind people of that. And I know people walking in 238 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: every night to winter jam. There's thousands of people. So 239 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: people are carrying different things, people carrying handy burdens, people 240 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: are carrying brokenness. People are carrying so many things. And 241 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: I pray every night the presence of God touches people 242 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: and lists their spirit and fills them. The scripture says 243 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: the joy the Lord is our strength that fills them 244 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: with joy and again. And that's more an opportunity every 245 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 1: night that we have to do that. 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