1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:09,039 Speaker 2: Maybe you feel like your relationship with God is stagnant 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: or maybe a little performative and fake. I want to 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 2: invite you today with my favorite person, Hosannah Wong, as 5 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 2: we talk about it today, that you have permission to 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: uncomplicate it with God. 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: Let's get into it. Hello, Hello, Hello, ladies. 8 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: And gents, and welcome to this week's episode of the 9 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: Botan Beloved Podcast. 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: As always, it's your girl, Kirby. 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 2: Kelly back at it again, and I'm so excited because 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: I have not just a fan favorite, but a personal favorite. 13 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: Of mine joining me on the podcast today. 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 2: It's my friend Hosannah Wong. And if y'all don't know her, 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: do you live under a rock? She's one of my 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: favorite people ever. She's not only an incredible preacher and 17 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 2: spoken word poet, but she also is an author. She 18 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: has written a couple of books, but she just came 19 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: out with a new book or is coming out with 20 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,120 Speaker 2: a new book in a few days weeks depending on 21 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: when this drops. It comes out February third, and the 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: title of her new book is Uncomplicated, which I just 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,840 Speaker 2: love that point blank period. But the subtitle is permission 24 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: to enjoy God in your unique way. And I remember 25 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: her and I talking about this like a couple of 26 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: months ago when I was visiting in California and she 27 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 2: was telling me all about the book and I was like, girl, 28 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 2: we gotta get. 29 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 3: You on my podcast. 30 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 2: And here we are, so Housana, welcome to the pod again, 31 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: and congrats on the new book. I'm so excited for 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 2: people to read it. 33 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,639 Speaker 1: It is really so fun to get to release books 34 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: alongside friends. It's like a little support group and like 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: a cheerleading squad. And I love that we were I 36 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: think we okay, tell me if I was wrong. I 37 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: think we were both still deciding our titles at the time, 38 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: right We were like what do you think about this? 39 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: What do you think about this? And I just was like, Oh, 40 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: these actually pair really well all the things that we're saying. 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: So anyways, thank you for having me with your people. 42 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 1: It's an honor. You're also one of my favorite people, 43 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: and like the community you've nurtured to this podcast, it's 44 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: in honor to get to talk to your people. Thank 45 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: you all for having me. 46 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: Girl. You're here. 47 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: You're welcome here anytime you can come take over if 48 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 2: you want. 49 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 3: Be careful. 50 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: We're about to have a series. We're about to have 51 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: a six part series. 52 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 3: Please please er. 53 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: We told me this is thirty minutes. I was like, 54 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: we cannot have one conversation in thirty minutes. 55 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: I know we'll get that. That's what happens every time. 56 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 2: I'm like, I have like twenty ish questions just because 57 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 2: like there's just so much content in like anybody's book, 58 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: and then like I get through like two of them, 59 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, that was the episode. 60 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 3: But there's like just so. 61 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: Much richness to like write people's stories and what they're 62 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: teaching and talking about. But speaking of which, can you 63 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: just give like a brief synopsis of the theme of 64 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 2: your new book and like some of the things that 65 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: you touch on in it. 66 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like we've over complicated it when it 67 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: comes to knowing God, having relationship with God, connecting with God. 68 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: I've been preaching around the world for sixteen years, and 69 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: I think one of the most common things that I 70 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: hear from people is either I want to know God, 71 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: but I don't know how to start or where to start. 72 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 1: I'm not good enough, I'm too busy. I don't think 73 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: I could live like the Christians live like we have 74 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: some idea of what of Christ's follower looks like. And 75 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:16,080 Speaker 1: so if we don't think we can live like that person, 76 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: then we think we're out. So I've heard of that 77 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: a lot. And then I've heard just as many times 78 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: people who have followed Christ for a long time. They 79 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: love God, but they're just in a really busy season, 80 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: or they're just really struggling with grief or shame or 81 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: distractions or unrealistic expectations, and they feel like they love God, 82 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: they just can't connect right now. And I feel like 83 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: for sixteen years, I've heard these things over and over, 84 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: and I thought, Man, God, have we over complicated what 85 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: it looks like to have a relationship with you? How 86 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: can we uncomplicate it? And so it's just my heart 87 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: was first just to reach my friends to let them 88 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: know like how simple it is, and then I ended 89 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: up deciding to try to reach everybody's friends. So that why, 90 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: That's why it's in the book. But I would say 91 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: my early readers, a lot of them are friends, and 92 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: a lot of them said, oh, this was as being 93 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: your friend for many years, this is the book I 94 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: always hoped you would write, like a lens of the 95 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: world of an uncomplicated God. Just because a lot of 96 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: my friends I might be their only connection back to God. Man, 97 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 1: this podcast is going to get some of the craziest 98 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: raw stuff because you and I are so close that 99 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: I'm just like talking to you forgetting like some thousands 100 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: of people are going to hear this. But truly, like 101 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: a lot of my friends, I'm the last connection to God. 102 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: So they'll say things like I'm not sure about God's people, 103 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: I'm not sure about God's church, as things I see 104 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: online whatever. I don't know if I could follow God 105 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: like that person does. I don't have the margin that 106 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 1: person does. I can't have rhythms or routines like that 107 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: person does. But often they'll say things to me my husband, 108 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: like but the God you believe in, we'd probably be 109 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: down for that God. And so I wanted to introduce 110 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: people to the uncomplicated relationship that Jesus came to introduce 111 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: us to. And I'm sorry for the ways we've over 112 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: complicated it. I'm part of that. I'm part of God's 113 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: t church that at times has overcomplicated this. So I'm sorry, 114 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: and I want to reveal the truth to all of us. 115 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: And that's what I'm complicated is about. 116 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: That's so good. 117 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: There's so many things that so many questions that I have, 118 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: But I think to that tone of like we can 119 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: so easily see what our favorite preachers are doing or 120 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 2: Christian influencers are posting about. And this is actually something 121 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 2: that I've been talking about on my social media since 122 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 2: it's the beginning of the year, like the rhythms, the routines, 123 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: the jump start your relationship with God. Again, Like we 124 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: see all these things and I know that they come 125 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 2: from a genuine place and a lot of us, you know, 126 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 2: we need that motivation to get into that place of 127 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: discipline when it comes to pursuing the Lord, right, because 128 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,080 Speaker 2: He's always pursuing us. But I think that it can 129 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 2: breed comparison in us. It can bring about insecurity and 130 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: our own relationship with God. 131 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 3: Maybe the way that somebody connects. 132 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: With God it looks a little different, or the method 133 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: or formula feels a little different than maybe how we 134 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 2: feel like we relate to God. 135 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 3: So yeah, I'm just wondering. 136 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: Why do you think it is that Christian culture and 137 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: maybe this is just a Western thing or whatever, why 138 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 2: do you think it is that Christian culture so often 139 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,919 Speaker 2: equates closeness with God with this is the specific routine 140 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 2: that you need, and if you don't follow this, then 141 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: you're probably gonna miss out on what God wants to 142 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: do in your life. And it just creates fear and 143 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: security all those things. So why do you think it 144 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: is that. 145 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 3: Like we kind of fixate on like it has to 146 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 3: be like this. 147 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, well tell me if you agree with this. I 148 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: don't think it's exclusive to Christian culture. I think we 149 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: when we see how other people live, they seem to 150 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: be crushing it. You know, we see how other people 151 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: have their routines. Oh, man, look at this mom and 152 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: how she's able to work full time and have three 153 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 1: kids and her house looks perfect. Man, look at this leader, 154 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: look at these business owners, look at like when I 155 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: think a lot of us, when we see how other 156 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 1: people are living, we can start to compare ourselves, think 157 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: that we're missing the mark and spiral and defeat. Fixated 158 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: more on how other people are living that how God 159 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: has called us to live our lives. And I think 160 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: that same issue translates in our faith. I think that 161 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: same thing that every person can struggle with, whether or 162 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: not their person of faith or not in our faith, 163 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: and it's like, Okay, I want to follow God, so 164 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: that comes from a good place, right, And I want 165 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: to do this well, that comes from a good place. 166 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: And now I see, this is how Kirby does her 167 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: spiritual disciplines, and now I see it. Here's how Hosanna 168 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: does hers. And now I see how multiple people who 169 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 1: I follow online do it. And I honestly think, I 170 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: think we need to really we need to release expectations 171 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: that don't come from God. Like we need to release 172 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: these unrealistic expectations that don't come from God. We need 173 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 1: to stop comparing ourselves to other people who have different backgrounds, 174 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: different lifestyles, different responsibilities, different calls on their life. And 175 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: also we can be grateful for how they're showing how 176 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: they do it. Like I think that's a me thing. 177 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: And if you're listening, this is a you think to 178 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: watch and to be inspired and to think, Okay, could 179 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: that work for me? And you could try it and 180 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: if it doesn't, don't do that. It's like that makes sense, 181 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,559 Speaker 1: Like I don't want people to stop sharing about their lives. 182 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: That's the other thing. I think. There's like a bunch 183 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: of people that are like I'm comparing I'm seeing how 184 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: all these people are doing it. It could be your 185 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,559 Speaker 1: favorite podcast, It could be Kirby Kelly. It could also 186 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: be that one chick that goes to your church, you know. 187 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: It could be your best friend, it could be someone 188 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: on social media I've never met. I'm saying we can 189 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: look at all these people and I don't want us 190 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: to see them and think, Oh, they're just putting on 191 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: a show, or oh, I can never do that, so 192 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: I hate them, like I don't want us to have 193 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: these extreme reactions that aren't godly. Copying them, thinking that 194 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:37,439 Speaker 1: you have to perform to be like them is not godly. 195 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: And then also hating someone else because their routines cannot 196 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 1: possibly be yours is not godly. So I wish we 197 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: would see ideas and think, oh, wow, that's how so 198 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 1: many different people experience God in different ways, and if 199 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: they inspire you try it, throw a bunch of things 200 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: in the wall and see what sticks. But don't live 201 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: with the pressure to have a relationship with God like 202 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: anyone else does. And if there was something I could 203 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: tell every person listening today, it's something I wish I 204 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: would have known a lot earlier. Your relationship with Jesus 205 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: does not have to be like anyone else's relationship with Jesus, 206 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to look the same that it 207 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 1: did years ago when you were in a different season, 208 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: when you had different responsibilities. God wants to have a 209 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: real relationship with you in your real life, in your 210 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: current season right now. So what does that look like 211 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: for you? And I have found that many people compare 212 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: themselves to other people, like even those of us who 213 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: don't innately struggle with comparison. Every now and then, there 214 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: can be a moment when you're comparing your life to 215 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: someone else's life that seems like it should be similar 216 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: to yours, and we must repent of that. That is 217 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: not a social media issue. This is a sin issue 218 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: that you are looking at someone else's life more than 219 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: you're looking at your life and what God's doing in 220 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: your life. But just as often I'm finding people that 221 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: compare themselves to a previous version of themselves. They're not 222 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: comparing themselves to someone else. They're saying, oh, Man, five 223 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: years ago, I had so much more margin. Oh ten 224 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 1: years ago, my time with God was the bomb. Oh Man, 225 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: last year, man, I really had the community I thought 226 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: I was gonna run with And I think the enemy 227 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: of our souls is having victory every time we're stuck 228 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: comparing ourselves so someone else, our previous version of ourselves 229 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: and not inviting God to do his redeeming work in 230 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: our current lives, in our current season. 231 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: That's so good. 232 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: That's something that I've even been just like thinking through, 233 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: especially because I'm about to step into like the one 234 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: of the most life changing seasons of my life with 235 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: becoming a mom, say, and it's one of those things 236 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: where it's like, I have no idea what I'm about 237 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: to get myself into as much as I'm just like 238 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: watching all the like mommy creators online being like this 239 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: is what's gonna be like and it's like, girl, I 240 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: have no idea, but having enough grace for myself of like, Okay, 241 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 2: God time and time again in my life, time and 242 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: time again in my friends'. 243 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 3: Lives who walk with you time and time again. 244 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,200 Speaker 2: In scripture, you meet the people that you have created, 245 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 2: where they are at where you have positioned them, and 246 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 2: the way that God interacts or moves or speaks to 247 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 2: or calls in level of frequency or whatever, like all 248 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 2: those things. They vary from person to person. Even in scripture, 249 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: it's like God is consistent with his character and his nature. 250 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: We can know who he is. 251 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:35,199 Speaker 2: He's consistent in all those ways, but that doesn't necessarily 252 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: mean that the way in which he speaks to Job 253 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 2: is the same way that he speaks to David, or 254 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 2: the way that he speaks to this person is the 255 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: same as that person. And so I think, even just 256 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 2: like when we read scripture knowing that it's it is God, 257 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 2: but he has uniquely created each person that he desires 258 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: to be in relationship with, he knows how to meet 259 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: us with where we are as well. And so I 260 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: think even you speaking to the idea of just like performance, 261 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 2: like okay, I need to like replicate what they're doing, 262 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 2: and it can kind of become this like performance thing 263 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: where it's like, you know, I'm a square pagan, a 264 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 2: round hole, just trying to like manufacture and formulate this 265 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: relationship with God. But it feels kind of fake because well, 266 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 2: it's working for them, so it shouldn't it be working 267 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: for me. I'm just wondering if you can maybe speak 268 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 2: to that person who who has felt like my relationship 269 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 2: with God feels so fake right now, or it doesn't 270 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: feel like there's actual any connection in depth, Like I'm 271 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: doing all the things that I see people doing, but 272 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: like it still feels like that connection is missing. Is 273 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: it because they're performing? Is it because they're just like 274 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 2: trying someone else's routine? 275 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, how would. 276 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: You encourage that person that feels that disconnect even if 277 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 2: they feel like they're just trying to replicate what they're 278 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,040 Speaker 2: seeing other people do. 279 00:12:54,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the right question. So I will tell 280 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: you that in writing this book, I want to answer 281 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: that question, but I want to speak to how often 282 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 1: I've heard that, Like, That's why I want to affirm, 283 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,839 Speaker 1: like if someone's thinking exactly what you're thinking, I want 284 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: to affirm that I've heard that over and over. So 285 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: one thing her we will tell you is that to 286 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: write this book, I interviewed a thousand people around the world, 287 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: and I asked them two questions. One what has stood 288 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 1: in the way of you connecting with God? And two 289 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: what is a way you have found to connect with God? 290 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: And the reason why is because this book is called 291 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 1: Uncomplicated Permission to Enjoy God in your unique Way. But 292 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: I've only ever been Hosanna, so I cannot write a 293 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: book about just the ways I uniquely encounter God that 294 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: will just perpetuate the problem. So I interviewed a thousand 295 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: people across the world for two years while I was traveling, 296 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: and I will tell you that there were six common 297 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: roadblocks all over the world. I could list twenty, but 298 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: there were that were by far the most of the 299 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: most common roadblocks that we feel when connecting with God. 300 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: And you spoke to the sixth one, which I believe 301 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: was the most common. So out of a thousand conversations, 302 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: these were the top six. One busyness, I've got too 303 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: much going on. I know none of us can relate. 304 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't relate, but maybe people who 305 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: like don't know God like I do relate Busyness. Two 306 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: distractions like whenever I spend time with God, I can't focus. 307 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: Three grief, like I'm hurting too much right now. For shame, 308 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: I've done too much wrong. Five silence, I feel like 309 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: I can't hear God. This relationship feels one sided. And 310 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: six was expectations, the expectations that maybe others have put 311 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 1: on us, or maybe the expectations we've put on ourselves 312 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: that don't even come from other people. And don't even 313 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: come from God. And so when you were saying, like 314 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 1: what about p people that feel like they're doing the motions, 315 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: They're doing all the right things, but you don't feel 316 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: connected to God. You're not crazy. Like one thing I 317 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 1: want to apologize for is a culture that's told you 318 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: this is what it looks like to be a Christian. 319 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: Do you practice these spiritual disciplines this way at this 320 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: time of day perfectly? Are you praying like Lisa Harper? 321 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: Are you worshiping God like Christine Kane? Are you speaking 322 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: truth like Kirbie Kelly, like Bianca Warrez? Like are you 323 00:15:29,360 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: are you doing it like the people who are the 324 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: best at it? Do it? 325 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: You know? 326 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: Do you have faith like Briscilla Shire? Do you know 327 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying Like I'm saying that, like, I'm sorry 328 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: for a culture we've created that says this is the 329 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: only way to please God. Now here's what I want 330 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: to speak to a boy, expectations. This is what I think. 331 00:15:45,560 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure what your people would need the most. 332 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 1: So I know we don't have much time. So if 333 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: I were to pick a roadblock, I wasn't sure which 334 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: one I would pick. But based on your question. I 335 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: guess we'll go with expectations perfect. I think people think 336 00:15:57,080 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: that we have to Well, I'll say for me, sometimes 337 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: I put expectations on myself of what it looks like 338 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: to be a Christ follower, to be connected to God 339 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: and to crush it. And I remember like a friend 340 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: setting me an Instagram video of a woman who was 341 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: a mom, and she was like crushing it at the gym. 342 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 1: She was like lifting weights, listening to music. Her kid 343 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: looked like he was having a great time, and it 344 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: was like, you can be the perfect mom, perfect girl, boss, 345 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: perfect friend with the perfect bond. You got this girl. 346 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: And I was like, heck, yeah, I'm so inspired, And 347 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: then I was immediately deflated because this is real crushing it. Well, 348 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out if this pile of laundry 349 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: is dirty or clean. And so I was trying to 350 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: think with how many times I've heard people ask the 351 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: question you asked, and how many times I heard people 352 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: say like, I'm just not doing it right or I'm 353 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: doing all I can, but I still don't feel connected. 354 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: Like a culture of people who want God but feel 355 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: like they're constantly falling short. Let me tell you that 356 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: shame does not come from God. Those unrealistic expectations don't 357 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: come from God. And so, oh, where does this come from? 358 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: I'll tell you where it comes from. For me, there's 359 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: a verse in the Bible that says be perfect. Therefore, 360 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 1: as your Father is perfect. And whenever I would tell 361 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 1: people like God doesn't call you to be perfect. God 362 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: isn't calling you to live this impressive lifestyle, people kept 363 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: quoting that verse to me. We are called to be perfect, Housannah. Well, 364 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: God says to be perfect? And I thought they're right. 365 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: So what does that verse mean? And I've never unpacked 366 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: this on a podcast before, so let me see if 367 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: I can keep it under three minutes. 368 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 3: But girl, you're good. 369 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: I want to tell you what this verse actually means. 370 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: If you are someone who's ever thought I have to 371 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 1: be the perfect Christian. I have to be the perfect mom, 372 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: the perfect dad, the perfect wife, the perfect husband, the 373 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: perfect friend, the perfect volunteer at my church, the perfect 374 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: influence on my kids, the perfect compassionate, always there for 375 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: you friend. If you've ever felt like you have to 376 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 1: be perfect, because you have, like me, misunderstood the verse 377 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: in Bible where Jesus says be perfect, then I want 378 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: to tell you the truth about what Jesus meant. Jesus 379 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 1: is talking to his followers, his students, his disciples, who 380 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: are asking him how to live. This is in Matthew five, 381 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: and this is the context in which Jesus is saying this. 382 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: Jesus is telling them how to live. And he's contrasting 383 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:23,159 Speaker 1: the way to follow him versus the way the world lives, 384 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 1: and also the way some of the religious people live. 385 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,120 Speaker 1: And he's saying, this kingdom is different. And Jesus says 386 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: this in Matthew five forty three. You have heard that 387 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: it was said love your neighbor and hate your enemy. 388 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: But I tell you love your enemies and pray for 389 00:18:38,840 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: those who persecute you, that you may be children of 390 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: your father in heaven. If you love those who love you, 391 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,679 Speaker 1: what reward will you get? Are not even the tax 392 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 1: collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, 393 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 1: what are you doing more than others? Do not even 394 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: pagans do that? Be perfect? Therefore, as your heavenly Father 395 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: is perfect. And the word, the actual word that is 396 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:15,080 Speaker 1: used here for perfect is not translated as impressive or elite. 397 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: It's translated the Greek word is translated as complete, whole, mature. 398 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: So Jesus was saying, I want to speak against living 399 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: a life of duplicity. There are some people who only 400 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 1: love people if those people can benefit them. There are 401 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,679 Speaker 1: some people who only love people if other people see it. 402 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: Even the religious people are doing that, Even the religious 403 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: people are putting on a show. We see Jesus talking 404 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: about that all throughout the New Testament, right and he's saying, 405 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: I want you to be fully complete and whole. I 406 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: want you to be fully yourself when people are watching, 407 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: and fully yourself when no one is watching, even when 408 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: you live around people who tend to live double lives. 409 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: So don't just put on a show of what it 410 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: looks like to love people. Always love people, whether people 411 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: are looking or not. I want you to be complete. 412 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 1: I want you to be full. I want you to 413 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: love people completely, and I love I love knowing what 414 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: Jesus actually meant. He wasn't saying be impressive. He was saying, 415 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: be whole and complete. In how you love people, be 416 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: whole and complete and how you live. Are we living 417 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,479 Speaker 1: fragmented lives? Are we living one way when people are watching, 418 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,439 Speaker 1: in one way when people aren't or are you living whole? 419 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: So really, what Jesus is saying is be complete as 420 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: your heavenly Father is complete. And what I think the 421 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: Enemy has done is taking a verse that was meant 422 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: to set us free and meant to call us out 423 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: of a life of duplicity. And he's convinced us that 424 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:58,199 Speaker 1: it's about living like the world's definition of perfection, live impressive, 425 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: put on a show so much so that it makes 426 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: us see this verse and it makes us do the 427 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: very opposite of what Jesus intended for it to do. 428 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: He makes us the enemy makes us see it as 429 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 1: a call to perfection when Jesus was calling us to 430 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 1: wholeness and in completeness and how we love people. So 431 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: this is the truth. I even share this in this 432 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: chapter about the roadblock of expectations. I had a friend 433 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: who's also an entrepreneur who texted me and said, you know, 434 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: how are you doing, Hosannah. I know you're out there 435 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,439 Speaker 1: crushing it? And I said, I'm not crushing it, and 436 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: I like burst into tears and I started telling her 437 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: all the ways I was like failing everybody and myself 438 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: and probably God. And she burst into tears. But all 439 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: the way she was failing everyone in her life. We 440 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: hopped on a zoom call and just like confessed to 441 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: each other, I don't know, got real with each other, 442 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: complained even maybe to each other things we feel like 443 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: we're not allowed to complain about as we confess, which, 444 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: as we know from Kirby Kelly that like confession, on 445 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 1: the other side of your confession is freedom. It was 446 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: like all this wholeness and freedom and completeness and joy, 447 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: and then I unpacked this scripture that I had just 448 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,439 Speaker 1: discovered about what it looks like, and we decided to 449 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: start a club. And it's called the Not Crushing It Club, 450 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 1: and you're invited to be in it too, because God 451 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: has never called you to crush it. He's called you 452 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: to love the people in your life well, and to 453 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: love everybody equally, be who you really are in public 454 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: and in private completely. That is the call God has 455 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: for you. Just so you know, I'm not crushing it today, 456 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: Kirby knows, like, right, pull this podcast, I'd like pause 457 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: my laundry, and I'm not crushing it, but I'm loving 458 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: people well. And that is the call on your life. 459 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,959 Speaker 3: That's so good. It's literally like even the for those 460 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 3: of you who are watching. 461 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: I noticed your shirt earlier, the not Crushing It club over, Yes, 462 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 2: makes me the CEO of back Club. 463 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: Do you want this sweater? I just made me in 464 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: an extra extra arm dude, in the name of Jesus, 465 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: I did I made this. I need to remind myself this, 466 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: like I have this sweat. You guys are listening on 467 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: a podcast I was wore that says they're not crushing 468 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: It club. And even my husband left at me today 469 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: he was like, you really are the queen of this club, 470 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: And I really am, because I am like not crushing it. 471 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: But let me tell you I have overcomplicated it in 472 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: my life. I really have. I am not trying to 473 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to impress you. I'm gonna try to 474 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: impress your listeners, and I want all of your listeners 475 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 1: to not live try and impress anyone either. We don't 476 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: have to prove ourselves to anyone, but we do need 477 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: to obey God. So what does it look like to 478 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: obey God and love people? Well, today, that's the question. 479 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 2: I think It's so funny because it's like even me 480 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 2: sitting here and you being like, I'm the queen of 481 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: this club. 482 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you talking about? 483 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: Like I see your life and like, girl, you are 484 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 2: crushing it. But I think that's even just we can 485 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: even get in our own heads of complicating it in 486 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 2: the sense of like well en route with expectations. It's like, 487 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: but my expectation for myself is all the way up 488 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,959 Speaker 2: here we were even talking about before we got on here. 489 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: You're like, yea, kurbye, You're one hundred percent is one 490 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,639 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty percent, Like it's like your capacity for 491 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: things or whatever. Yeah, And it's like so and this 492 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: is true for me, Like I will feel like I 493 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: am falling and failing, even falling and failing in my 494 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: relationship with God because like you said, it didn't look 495 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 2: like this past season where I had more capacity to 496 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: be in like three hours of Bible study and. 497 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 3: All this stuff. 498 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 2: Or I feel like I'm not crushing it because it's like, ah, 499 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: like you know, my sermon wasn't absolutely perfect, and I like. 500 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 3: Forgot my point. 501 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 2: I needed to go back to the podium and like 502 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: look at it because I was the Holy Spirit gave 503 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 2: me a thought and I was. 504 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 3: Just going off of that and I completely got silent. 505 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 2: And it's like we could just so complicate the expectations 506 00:24:58,400 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 2: that we even put on ourselves. 507 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 3: And it's like, did God even put that on us? 508 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: The answer is probably no. Really, like he just calls 509 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 2: us to abide in him, to spend time with him, 510 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,400 Speaker 2: to not just make him first. But Matt Chandler said 511 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: this when he was on one of My Friends podcasts 512 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: about like God is the notepad. 513 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 3: It's like He is the thing. 514 00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: In which we like, who orders our steps and everything 515 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: that we do. And I just love that where it's 516 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: like we we don't have to have like this pressure 517 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: to get everything right and to make sure that we're 518 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 2: doing everything perfect all the time. God just wants us 519 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: like to honestly show up and he meets with us 520 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: as well. 521 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 3: It's not just us showing up and having everything all together. 522 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,199 Speaker 2: And I have all, you know, all my scrolls and 523 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: all my commenters, all my things, and it's like I'm 524 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 2: ready for you to encounter me. 525 00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 3: Lord. It's like I'm doing the dishes and I'm like, God, 526 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: I'm exhausted today. 527 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,679 Speaker 2: But it's like that's where I'm able to connect with them, 528 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 2: and I know that once I'm literally got baby on 529 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: the boom and I'm like working on stuff. It's gonna 530 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 2: be like, like, to be honest, it's gonna be like, 531 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 2: that's where God's gonna meet with me. But it's this honest, raw, 532 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 2: real connection where I get to just rest in God 533 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: and not perform and have it all together and just 534 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: connect with him. Yeah, and it changes from season to season. 535 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. And this problem you're mentioning is not new to 536 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: our generation. This is a current problem. Again, this is 537 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 1: not all on social media, which is what I feel. 538 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: So many people asked me when I was doing these interviews, like, oh, 539 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: it's because of social media, and I'm like, let me 540 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: tell you about the Pharisees, Like, let me tell you 541 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: about people who were crushing it. Let me tell you 542 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 1: about people who practice Sabbath. Jesus memorized, They had it memorized. 543 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: They prayed more than anyone. They practice Sabbath better than Jesus. 544 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: They like, they even like looked, they looked amazingly like 545 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: official while they fasted. Like, let me tell you about 546 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: the people who were crushing it. Eventually they missed Jesus. 547 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: They crucified him. And the truth is is that I 548 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: don't want us to be modern day pharisees. Who are 549 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: just trying to look like we follow God and then 550 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: miss a personal relationship with Jesus for real in our 551 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: real lives. And Jesus came to uncomplicated. Jesus came to 552 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: set us free from shame, to set us free from guilt, 553 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: to set us free from our sins. Isn't it just 554 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: like the enemy that he's trying to make us feel 555 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: guilt and shame about our connection with God, the exact 556 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: thing that God sent his son Jesus to set us 557 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: free from. So anyways, we could talk about expectations forever. 558 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: I want you to be able to get to everything 559 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: you want to do, but I just want people to 560 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: be set free from it. Like of course I want 561 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: you to get this book, but you could just take 562 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: this truth in your life and let it set you free, 563 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: like you can uncomplicate it. The enemy of your soul 564 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: wants you to complicate your relationship with God uncomplicated and 565 00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: receive God's grace in the name of Jesus. 566 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 2: Well, since we are getting towards the end of the episode, 567 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: and you know, like I said, I can kind of short, 568 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: but what is like just one step that someone can 569 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: take today as they leave the podcast. 570 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 3: Obviously get hosed INA's book. Make that step number two, 571 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 3: I guess. 572 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 2: But like, what would one step be today that someone 573 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: can take to just begin on complicating their connection with 574 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 2: the Lord in their life. 575 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: Well, I'll give you the one step that I would do. 576 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm like just following you, like, based on what you're saying. 577 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, she knows what her listeners need. 578 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 3: So whatever she. 579 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: Says, I'm going to go to that part of the book. 580 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: So when you said all we're called to do is abide, 581 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: I'll say that I've never really growing up, I never 582 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: understood the word abide really well, Like, what does that 583 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: literally mean for my life? That comes from John fifteen 584 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: Abide in me, I will buy it in you. Jesus 585 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 1: says this. A branch cannot bear fruit if it is 586 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: disconnected from the vine, and either will you. If you're 587 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: not connected to me. I am vivine. You are the branches. 588 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: If you abide me and I and you, you'll bear 589 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: greape fruit. That's where it comes from. And so the 590 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: way to have a real connection with God is to 591 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: abide in Christ. But what does that mean? And this 592 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: is the shortest possible way I can tell this story. 593 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: That's in the book, But I went on a journey 594 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: to discover what it actually looks like practically to abide 595 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: in Christ. I've even written on it in the past. 596 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: It's in a previous book of mine, what it means 597 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: to abide. I've preached on it for years. But when 598 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: I was writing this book Uncomplicated, I felt like I 599 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: needed to know how anyone could abide, not just me, Like, 600 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: how can anyone, in any season, with any grief and 601 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: any shame, any business, abide? So I took my research deeper, 602 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 1: and I can't believe I ever taught on abide without 603 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: knowing this. I went into my husband and I went 604 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: to the hills of Tuscany to meet with wine growers 605 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: to talk about what it looks like for branches and vines, 606 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: for vineyards to be growing and flourishing in different regions. 607 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: And to keep a long story medium length, I asked 608 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 1: in the hills of Tuscany, hours out of hours out 609 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: of Florence, I said, hey, if I wanted to start 610 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 1: a vineyard, because I'm surrounded by all these beautiful vineyards 611 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: and growing fruit, and I'm with this family that's grown 612 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 1: wine for years, And I said, hey, if I wanted 613 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: to start a vineyard today. What are the ten steps 614 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: you would give me to start? 615 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 2: Right? 616 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: Because I'm like, he's gonna give me the ten steps. 617 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna write a book, the ten Steps to Flourishing. Okay, 618 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: ten steps, ten chapters, ten episodes on a podcast, and 619 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: it's all alliteration. 620 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: It starts with. 621 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: A V and I don't know ho any letters are 622 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: in vineyard, but anyways, I was like, this is perfect. 623 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: He's gonna give me the ten steps. And my husband 624 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: guys with me. He's laughing because he knows I'm trying 625 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: to get this, like wine grower, give me an outline 626 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: to a sermon. And I said, if I was going 627 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: to start a vineyard, like what where would I start? 628 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: And he like looks at me and laughs and he's like, 629 00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: you're going to start a vineyard? And like we all 630 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: laughed because if you're not watching, if you're listening, you 631 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: can't see me. But like nothing about me gives off 632 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: deep in the dirt in a vineyard kind of vibes. 633 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: And I said, notice, imagine that someone wanted to start 634 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: give me the ten steps. And I pull up my 635 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,479 Speaker 1: notepad and he looks at me and he says, I 636 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: don't have ten steps to give you. First, I have 637 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: a question, what kind of soil do you have? And 638 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: at the time I was irritated because I wanted ten steps, 639 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 1: But immediately I started to hear what he meant. When 640 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: he unpacked, he said, all of these soils are different. 641 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: Even that vineyard to that vineyard to that vineyard that 642 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: we own have different soils. There's different weather patterns around them. 643 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,719 Speaker 1: This one's on a hill, this one's very flat. We 644 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: need different water irrigation systems for them, we need different 645 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: shading over them. We tend to them differently. The ones 646 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: that you saw miles away when you were driving up 647 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: here have totally different soils. And he said this, He said, 648 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 1: what are the nutrients in your soil? What is the 649 00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: history of the soil, What does that soil need? And 650 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: he did not know what I was asking about because 651 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: I did not tell him, and also we had not 652 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: talked about Jesus at all at that point. But he 653 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: was telling me, literally, before you grow anything, you need 654 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: to know where you're starting from and your soil, what 655 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: season is the soil in, what is the weather patterns 656 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: around this soil? And he said you have to be 657 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: careful because if you try to grow something in your 658 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: soil like someone else's soil, it will not help you, 659 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: It will hurt you. You need to fall in love 660 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,080 Speaker 1: with your soil. So what is your soil? That's my 661 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,400 Speaker 1: first question, and everything after that depends. So to answer 662 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: your question about what I would tell people something to 663 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: take away is that I would look at your soil. 664 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Where are you from? What's your lens of the church, 665 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 1: what's your lens of God? What's the heartbreak in your heart? 666 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: What do you need from God today? I would look 667 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: at your season? Is it in a busy time? Is 668 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: it in a time filled with a lot of things 669 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: pulling for your time? Okay? So like how do we 670 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: meet God? In that? Not later? But in that? Are 671 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,600 Speaker 1: you about to have a little girl? But you're also 672 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: an author and a podcaster, and you have greater capacity 673 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: than everyone, and now you're gonna also put all that love, 674 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: all that love that your mom gave to you to 675 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: another little girl? Like is that the season you're in? 676 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: So I would leave you with not ten steps, unfortunately, 677 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: which is what I tried to get to all of you, 678 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: but a question like what is your soil? And come 679 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: to God with your soil, because that is the place 680 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: where God wants to meet you, and from that soil 681 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: is where He wants to help you grow and flourish 682 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: and nurture you. But if you just look at how 683 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: other people are growing and flourishing, it might not help you, 684 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: it might hurt you. Look at your soil and come 685 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: to God is who you really are, where you really are, 686 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,080 Speaker 1: and invite Him into your real life today. And remember 687 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,800 Speaker 1: you don't have to crush it. 688 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 3: You don't have to crush it, you don't have to 689 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: complicate it. 690 00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 2: I love that. I love you, Hosanna. Thank you for 691 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 2: being on the pod today. Thank you for writing this book. 692 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 2: I know it's going to minister to so many people. 693 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 2: And it comes out on February third, So where can 694 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: people pre order it today? 695 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: Yes, we love a good pre order. Thank you, Amazon, 696 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble, your local bookstore. Also, if you love 697 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,360 Speaker 1: listening to books because you love listening to podcast I 698 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 1: did record the audio book. Did you record yours? 699 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 3: Not yet? 700 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,240 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you got to if you love listening 701 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,920 Speaker 1: to things more than reading things, because you're in a 702 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,759 Speaker 1: season of your life where your soil and the weather 703 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,320 Speaker 1: patterns around it can not abide in Christ by reading, 704 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: then listen, you can get on audible anywhere you can 705 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: get books, get it and get get to like get 706 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: it for someone else that needs the freedom of an 707 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: uncomplicated God in an uncomplicated way of enjoying him. 708 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 3: And then stop on Zoom with your friends and cry 709 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 3: about how you're both. 710 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,399 Speaker 1: Not crushing it. Then not crushing it, club. 711 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 3: About how this season is crushing you. But it's in 712 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:03,720 Speaker 3: the crushing and the pressing that we do. Why plant 713 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 3: that vene here? Check out Soil first. Thanks guys for 714 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 3: tuning in. I've praid that this episode was a blessing 715 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 3: to you. 716 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 2: Her book was a blessing to me getting being able 717 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,879 Speaker 2: to read it beforehand, So check that out. I will 718 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 2: link it all down below for y'all. And yeah, you 719 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 2: have permission to show up and. 720 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,480 Speaker 3: Not complicate it with God anymore. Can't wait to see 721 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 3: what that looks like. 722 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: Amen, I'm gonna go check out my laundry do it. 723 00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 3: Love you guys, see you next week. Bye. 724 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,399 Speaker 2: For more life giving, faith based podcast just like this one, 725 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 2: check out lifeaudio dot com, a proud partner of the 726 00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 2: beloved podcast