WEBVTT - Inspector Javert testifies on Capitol Hill 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.720 Welcome to today's podcast sponsored by Hillsdale College. All Things 0:00:03.800 --> 0:00:06.280 Hilldale at Hillsdale dot ed or I encourage you to 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.800 take advantage of the many free online courses there, and 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:11.119 of course I listen to the Hillsdale Dialogue all of 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:14.040 them at Q for Hillsdale dot com or just biogle, 0:00:14.200 --> 0:00:18.880 Apple iTunes and Hillsdale Glory and Immigration America. 0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:19.760 I'm Hugh Hewett. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:23.960 On this Thursday, Jacksmith, former special prosecutor of Donald Trump, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:27.560 had his day being prosecuted by the House Oversight Committee. Today, 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:31.360 here's Jim Jordan of Ohio talking with America Javert Jack 0:00:31.360 --> 0:00:32.640 Smith cut number two. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.840 Due and Miss Trimer Yo Beeck to you. Jenlmal yields back. 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:41.000 Mister Smith is Cassidy Hutchinson a liar. She was their 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:45.199 star witness January sixth committee, their star witness in one 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.560 of those staged and choreographed hearings they paid the former 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:52.680 president of ABC News to put together. She was in 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:57.280 fact the only witness at this special prime time hearing Tuesday, 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.480 June twenty eighth, twenty twenty two, eight o'clock in the. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:04.640 Evening, and she told some stories. I mean these were 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:06.600 these were some stories she. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:11.000 Talked about President lungsed across the back seat, grabbed the 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.720 steering wheel, tried to drive the car to the Capitol. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.559 And I just want to know you think she was lying? 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:27.280 Chereman Jordan. My assessment of that particular issue is that, 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.800 with respect to the testimony about someone lunge of the 0:01:31.840 --> 0:01:37.640 president lunging towards the driver, my recollection of her testimony 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.240 about that is that it was secondhand. She said she'd 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:41.240 heard that from somebody. 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:44.520 You familiar with the name of Tony Ornado? I'm sorry, 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:46.440 Do you familiar with the name Tony Ornado? 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:47.160 Yes? 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.360 White House Deputy Chief of Operations, Deputy cheap of Staff 0:01:50.360 --> 0:01:51.400 for Operations, right. 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:54.160 You know you remember what he said. 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:57.760 About it, as I said here right now, I do not. 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.520 Yeah, he said it didn't happen. How about Bob, you 0:02:00.520 --> 0:02:04.800 familiar with that name? Yes, I am Secret Service agent 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.520 who was actually in the car that day. You know 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:12.079 what he said, He said it didn't happen. And they 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.240 both said the first time they ever heard this story 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.799 was when miss Hutchinson testified in the prime time hearing 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.799 as their star witness of the January sixth committee. By 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:26.440 the way, do you ever confirm her testimony about this 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:27.400 particular incident. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:36.360 We conducted, as I said before, our own independent investigation 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.519 of all aspects of the case that we thought was relevant. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:41.800 We attorneys from my office. 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:42.600 Did you ever confirm it? 0:02:42.680 --> 0:02:43.480 That's a simple question. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:48.320 Well, we interviewed her, I should say, attorneys in my office. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.160 Bill, do you ever confirm the president leaping across the seat, 0:02:52.160 --> 0:02:54.960 grabbing the steering wheel, this whole concoction she brought up 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.079 in the January sixth hearing, Do you ever confirm. 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:02.440 That we interviewed another firsthand witness who was in the 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:06.640 car who did not confirm that that could happen. 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.840 But also your deposition to the committee last month, mister Smith, 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:14.840 you said this my recollection with miss Hutchinson was a 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:16.880 number of the things that she gave evidence on were 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.919 secondhand hearsaying your remembers making that statement to us last 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:21.840 month in the deposition, I. 0:03:21.840 --> 0:03:24.480 Did, and I was referring particularly to what we're talking 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:25.040 about now. 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.520 Yeah, And you also said miss Hutchinson regarding this particular 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.120 claim was a second or even third hand witness. We 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:32.239 ask you, if you were a defense attorney, how would 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:34.200 you handle cross examining her if she was on the 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.360 witness stand, And you said, if I were a defense attorney, 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.680 Miss Hutchinson were a witness, the first thing I would 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:41.320 do was seek to preclude her testimony because it was 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:42.520 here say you remember saying all that. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:46.400 Yes, that's correct, sir, that's correct? 0:03:46.480 --> 0:03:46.680 Right? 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:48.280 Were you gonna put her on the witness stand if 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:49.080 you ever got to trial. 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:54.960 We had not made final determinations as to who we 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.760 were going to call as a witness. We had a 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:59.840 large were still considering her. We had a. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.520 Large ar choice of witnesses in this Are you familiar 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.640 what Washington Post reporters Carol Lenning and Aaron Davis said 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:08.600 in their book? They did his book three hundreds on 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.040 pages book on chronicle and the whole investigation of the 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:12.200 Justice Department, And. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:13.040 Here's what they said. 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.080 On page three to ten, they said Jack Smith had 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.719 wondered whether some of Hutchinson's claims might be relied upon 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:22.560 a trial. Still, at one point, Smith told the elections 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:23.960 team he wasn't ready to give. 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:25.160 Up on Hutchinson's account. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:31.160 Ultimately, however, Trump administration officials uniformly fiercely disputed her accounts 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.360 under oath. Prosecutors on your team told Smith they wouldn't 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.800 want to use Hutchinson as a witness in court, and 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:40.520 Smith agreed. Are Carol Lennig and Aaron Davis who wrote this? 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:41.200 Are they? Lion? 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.920 My recollection is that I certainly had not made any 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:52.240 final determinations about in who we were going to call. 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:53.360 And that's the point. 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.240 That is the point, the fact. 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:59.040 That point check Brandon Gill, Congressman from Texas made more 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:00.920 points cut number three. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:04.760 Yes, sir, we did, Yes, you did. 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.200 And the subpoena covered the time period between November twenty 0:05:07.200 --> 0:05:08.760 twenty and January twenty twenty one. 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:09.200 Is that right? 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:12.559 I'm sorry, sir, Could you say that again? 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.479 We're not going to delay like this. The subpoena covered 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.279 the time period between November of twenty twenty and January 0:05:18.320 --> 0:05:21.160 twenty twenty one. How many days after Kevin McCarthy was 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.960 sworn in his speaker did useupoena his records? 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:28.599 I don't recall, but those two things had nothing. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:31.800 It was well sixteen days after becoming the highest ranking 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:36.080 Republican in the House of Representatives, usubpoenaed his toll records. 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:39.039 Do you agree that that might reasonably be considered a 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:40.800 violation of the speech or debate clause. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:45.599 I do not, and I want to be clear that 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:46.159 the toll. 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.120 We were collecting month's worth of phone data on the 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:52.200 Republican Speaker of the House, the leader of the opposition, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.760 right after he got sworn in his speaker, all around 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.000 the time of a major vote. That sounds like a 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.320 flagrant violation of the speech or debate clause to me, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:03.960 and I think most people agree with me. And Speaker 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:06.880 McCarthy had no recourse, did he, because you issued a 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.760 non disclosure order ensuring that neither he nor any of 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.680 the American people knew about the subpoenas. 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:13.200 Is that right? 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:19.080 The toll record, the non content toll record subpoena is 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:22.560 we did secure non disclosure orders for those subpoenas. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:22.920 You did. 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:24.719 And let me ask you, mister Smith, at the time 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.880 you secured those non disclosure orders. 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.599 Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risk? 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.520 The non disclosure order was based on concerns about it. 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:37.119 Was Speaker McCarthy a flight risks? 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:37.599 He was not? 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:38.400 He was not. 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:40.960 Then why did your non disclosure order refer to him 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.279 as a flight risk? It says right here the court 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.800 finds reasonable grounds to believe that such disclosure will result 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:49.839 in flight from prosecution. 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:59.600 Sir, when securing a non disclosure order, the risks don't 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:01.160 have to associated. 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.440 I think the Speaker of the House is a risk 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.240 this question? No, this is not your time. This is 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.280 my time. You think the Speaker of the House is 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:10.800 a flight risk? You think he's going to hop on 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.360 a plane and leave the country. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:13.600 No. 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:17.320 What I was trying to explain is, with respect to 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.840 a non disclosure order, the risks aren't necessarily associated with 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:25.840 the subscriber to the phone, the risks to litigation. 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.800 I think that you were using this is clearly in 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.880 reference to Speaker McCarthy, and you were using clearly false 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:36.200 information to secure a non disclosure order to hide from 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.400 Speaker McCarthy and from the American people the fact that 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.480 you were spying on his toll records. But I've got 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:44.040 more more, so let's move on. And May of twenty 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.960 twenty three, you also issued subpoenas for toll records of 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:48.360 nine US senators. 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:50.400 And an additional representative is that. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:56.880 Right in May of twenty three, we did issue. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.760 You did, and there were non disclosure orders in conjunction 0:07:58.800 --> 0:07:59.880 with those subpoenas as well. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.720 That's correct, consistent with Department policy law. 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:05.480 So again, nobody would know what you were doing. 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.920 The Senators would, and the representatives would, and the American 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:09.080 people wouldn't know what you were doing. 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.800 Is that right? 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:15.440 The toll records that we secured in the non disclosure 0:08:15.480 --> 0:08:19.360 orders were consistent with policy. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.000 And you knew whenever you were doing that that there 0:08:20.040 --> 0:08:22.280 was a risk you were violating the speechure debate clause. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.080 Is that right? 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:27.760 The toll record subpoenas that we secured. Where with the 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:29.120 concurrence of the public. 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.440 Context, your own analysis says that you knew there was 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:34.160 a risk you were violating the speech or debate clause. 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.040 I have it right here. 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.199 This is an email from John Keller at Public Integrity 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.439 Section to your team. As you are aware, quote, as 0:08:41.480 --> 0:08:44.320 you are aware, there is some litigation risk regarding whether 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:48.280 compelled disclosure of toll records of a member's legislative calls 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:51.199 violates the speechure debate clause in the DC circuit. That's 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.079 from your own analysis right there. So you did know, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:55.120 didn't you. 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.360 So with respect to the item you just put up 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.240 on the screen, the last sentence states. 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:03.600 Uh, oh, we're going to get to the last sentence. Okay, 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.760 We're going to get to the last sentence, and you 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:09.040 signed case long here. Quote the bar on compelled disclosure 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:10.240 is absolute, is right? 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:10.920 Is that right? 0:09:11.000 --> 0:09:12.960 Or do you think that you didn't have to abide 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:13.840 by that precedent? 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.480 To be clear, this is not this statement is not 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:19.320 from my office. This is the statement. 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:23.120 This is This is your justification for those subpoenas and 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.760 indios that you ordered. This was part of your analysis. 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:29.080 It's a cursory analysis. I think it's worth noting. Let's 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:32.079 get to that last sentence then. Quote, given my understanding 0:09:32.120 --> 0:09:34.640 of the low likelihood that any of the members listed 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:38.640 below would be charged, the litigation risk should be minimal here. 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:41.960 In other words, you're using a novel legal theory, which 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:44.920 you knew was novel, has never been tested by any court. 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.960 You're not charging any of these members. Nobody is going to. 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.240 Know about it because you issued INNDOS. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.840 Nobody is going to sue about it, So sue this, 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:53.760 So who cares? 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:54.520 We're going to do it. 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:59.040 Anyways, You walked all over the Constitution throughout. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.840 This entire process, the gentlemen's times led members. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.679 Of Congress, and you know it. It's absolutely disgraceful. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:09.640 It is absolutely disgraceful. It goes on and on. Jack 0:10:09.679 --> 0:10:13.920 Smith was a rogue prosecutor who did great damage to 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.959 the constitution in the political process of the United States. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:19.720 He is the javert from Ley Mees. 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:20.440 He is. 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:24.120 He never to prosecute anyone again. He never to prosecute 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:27.760 at President Trump, he was unconstitutionally appointed. It was as 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:33.079 was held by the District court in Florida. Never appealed 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:36.880 because the case was dismissed after President trump one reelection. 0:10:37.679 --> 0:10:41.240 Jack Smith and his team a disgrace to justice in 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:43.880 the United States. I'll be right back on the huge 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:49.480 US show quarter Back of America. I'm Hugh Hewittt. Noah 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.000 Rothman is with National Review, where he's a senior writer. Noah, 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:56.760 I'm going to go from least important and most important 0:10:57.160 --> 0:11:00.959 subjects today. First, the Oscar nomination came out. I want 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.680 to run through the list of the best pictures and 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:04.600 just get a yes or no from you whether you've 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:13.840 gone to them. Frankenstein, no Hamnet, No the Secret Agent, 0:11:15.880 --> 0:11:17.800 no sentimental value. 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.360 No, you might be detecting a trend of sinners. 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:28.560 Nop F one. 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:34.120 Believe it or not. No, trained dreams what I guess 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:37.800 Trained dream nope, Marty Supreme. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.640 Unsadly no, and I kind of do want to see 0:11:40.640 --> 0:11:43.040 that one one battle after another. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:48.720 Nope. And finally Bogonia. 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:50.719 A big no. 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:55.880 So you're over ten. You're over ten. I've got a 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:56.120 lot of. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.679 Gu Lastly, if I've seen the same television show I've 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:00.600 watched ten times with my wife if on the couch 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:02.880 at nine o'clock, I know, but I tell you everything 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:03.920 that happens in that one show. 0:12:04.040 --> 0:12:07.360 I don't think you're the problem. I think Hollywood's the problem. 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.280 And I'm gonna I'm going to test that. I have 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:14.280 you Eleana Johnson, Jim Talent, Josh crossh Hour, and Jim 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:17.960 Garrity to ask today and me and I only saw 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:20.000 IF one Formula one race. 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:21.520 I want to see I want to see Sinners, I 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:22.640 want to see IF one, and I do want to 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:23.440 see Marty Supreme. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:26.679 But you have a passed. This is why the movie business. Well, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:27.880 I'm culturally illiterate. 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:29.240 That's it really is on me too. 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:33.120 Well, no, it's not. You're on every day on the editor. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.800 You're right about stuff. They have not drawn you into 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:40.400 the theater. That's the problem. You make taste all right. Now, 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:46.400 second second, big issue Greenland and the deal. I think 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.600 it's significant, but a lot of people want to say 0:12:49.600 --> 0:12:52.199 it's nothing. I think, and I'm going to tell you 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:55.280 this before you answer. I think they're putting there, dislike 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:58.720 the President, ahead of the realities of the Golden Dome. 0:12:58.760 --> 0:12:59.320 What do you think. 0:13:00.440 --> 0:13:04.360 Yeah, well, listen, it's not nothing, but it doesn't really See, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:05.160 it does not seem to. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:06.200 Be what the President retailed. 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.720 Yesterday he was stipulating that and attributing to Mark Ruta, 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.559 a NATO Secretary General, that they had secured some deal 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.680 for functional sovereignty to be seated in parts of Greenland 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:19.160 to the United States. And I was on with the 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:22.559 Times of London today. I've been serving international media for 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:25.880 long for a while today and Mark Ruta denies it. 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.040 The Danish government strenuously insists that they had not and 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.960 would not agree to such a deal. Nobody can confirm that, 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.560 so or left with minileral rights and new basing and 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:37.800 the deployment of anti missile technology, all which is very 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.800 important and very valuable. I struggled to see how we 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.480 couldn't have gotten that through a process that was much 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.960 less hostile, much more deliberative, and not so injurious to 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.120 America's reputation with its allies in Europe. 0:13:50.600 --> 0:13:52.600 Yeah, I like the process. 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:57.360 I like I don't mind injuring allies in Europe because 0:13:57.360 --> 0:14:00.720 I don't think we did. I think they're they're pressed 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:01.800 people did well. 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:02.560 Then we do agree. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:06.120 Hugh, you're not saying you like being hostile to Europe 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.600 for hostility's sake. You're saying that that's just simply not 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:09.079 the case. 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:09.400 Yeah. 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.720 I think it's simply not the case. I think that 0:14:11.760 --> 0:14:14.600 they've got a lot of people who are wringing their hands, 0:14:14.800 --> 0:14:17.120 and in fact they're glad they don't have to get 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.000 into a fight with Trump because Trump would have won, 0:14:19.160 --> 0:14:22.080 and he just did it the developer way. Developers are 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.160 not new to me. I've represented in my whole life. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:28.440 That's the developer way. Now, the most important thing, do 0:14:28.520 --> 0:14:31.480 you believe President Trump is going to order a strike 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:32.160 on Iran? 0:14:32.280 --> 0:14:32.840 And should he? 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:35.800 I think he should. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:37.800 I think the odds are better than even that he will. 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:40.080 I wrote about this today. The President said, you know, 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:45.200 at the Davos conference during the Peace Board presentation that 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:46.840 they want to talk. Aran wants to talk, and we're 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.520 going to talk to them. And we've heard that before, 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:51.840 but it doesn't come to anything, and it does strike 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.680 me as a faint given the amount of hardware that 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.880 we're sending into the Gulf region. We have the Ibraham Lincoln, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:59.520 which is deployed from the Western Pacific. It's going to 0:14:59.520 --> 0:15:03.080 be joined now apparently by the Gerald, the George W. Bush, 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:08.400 which left Norfolk on its way allegedly to the Mediterranean. 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:10.000 So we're going to have a lot of hardware as well. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.120 As support aircraft and combat aircraft like at fifteen. So 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:15.680 if there are talks, then we're going to have a 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:16.760 lot of hardware to back it up. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.400 But what is there to talk about. 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:22.040 Yeah, I've been cautioned by the program that the Bush 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:23.960 might be out on c trials and might not be 0:15:24.000 --> 0:15:26.680 going in the med So I want to make sure 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.640 that people understand there's a question about that. I want 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:32.760 them to strike simply because a punitive strike they're not 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.360 going to get regime change. But we ought to set 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.720 up a standard. If you murder fifteen thousand of your 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.680 own people with machine guns in the street, you're going 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.360 to get hit by asked. Because we're the West, that's 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.920 why I don't think we'll get regime change. But I 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.400 think we ought to set a standard. What's your argument 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:48.960 for doing it? 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.760 Well, I'm typically leery of messaging strikes like that. I 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.800 think they should have a strategic rationale as well as 0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.040 a tactical rationale, and I think these strikes would have 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:01.920 a strategic and tactical rationale. Beyond that, the president has 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:04.240 a self set red line. He has said many, many 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.800 times that one of Barack Obama's biggest mistakes was not 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:09.200 following through in his self set red line in twenty twelve, 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:11.080 and I think Barack Obama might even agree with the 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.520 President on that assessment. So he is obligated, in my view, 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:17.280 to do what the Wall Street Journal observed when it 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:20.600 published Oragachi's op ed this week to make note of 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:23.520 the fact that Iran his thumbing its nose at Trump's 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.000 red line, and it's incumbent on him to enforce it 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:28.800 or sacrifice his prestige in America's in the process. But 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:31.000 I don't think that this is just a messaging strike. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:34.640 If we were to attack the siege ier GC installations, 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:38.320 the objective there would be to weaken the regime and 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:41.440 reignite the protest movement, which is part of America's overall 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.840 grand strategy which is collapsing this regime. 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.120 Well, I think the regime's going to collapse on its own. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:48.680 I would blow up carg Island, but I am not 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.280 a military target Chare and there are people who study 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.480 where their weakest points are. I don't know what the 0:16:54.480 --> 0:16:56.160 target listed, but I would do. 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:59.920 But wouldn't that royalty oil markets. Wouldn't that teriphy the administration? 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.160 It would that they're sixty dollars the town. 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.880 And we've got new sources coming on in the United 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.480 States from Venezuela and from Canada, and I don't think 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:14.199 that they set to China primarily. The one response I 0:17:14.240 --> 0:17:17.920 got from again an unnamed person, was that you could 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:21.480 invite China in to Iran if you did that, because 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.359 they rely so much on Iranian oil, and that that's 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:25.919 a major escalation with China. 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:27.720 I understand. That's why I'm not. 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.359 Coming up with it. But I do believe in a 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.040 purely punitive strike. When a non nuclear nation mows down 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.320 fifteen thousand people, you know, the American equivalent. 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:37.320 If we had a. 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:40.800 Real fascist, a real authoritarian that did something like this, 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.640 that would be sixty to seventy thousand people it's astonishing 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:45.760 how many people they killed. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.399 Yeah, no, it's a massacre and unspeakable massacre. And then 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:51.480 maybe ongoing. We just don't have a lot of information 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.200 still coming out of Iran. But I struggled to see 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:57.520 how these protests that there were so vehemence last week 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:01.439 have been completely pacified. So the atrocities are ongoing. But 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:06.119 back to carg Island, there are side effects, unintended consequences 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.280 that can result from the decimation of the Iranian oil program. 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.600 If we're taking Venezuela offline and we take a Ran offline, 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:14.280 and that is the goal of our strategy, if it 0:18:14.320 --> 0:18:17.080 collapses regime, we don't want a regime that's selling oil 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:19.960 and energy products to our competitors like Russia and China. 0:18:20.000 --> 0:18:23.680 Eventually China will be squeezed and starved. If our policy 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:26.040 is successful, it will be starved of energy. So we 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.760 should be contemplating what that looks like and not afraid 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:30.920 of the outcomes of what that looks like, because that 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.320 is the objective here. Is it not well be starting 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:35.400 energy of regimes. 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.840 I think they would have to buy energy on the 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.800 white market, and that the price of oil might increase marginally, 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.000 and it might help our balance of trade, and there's 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.600 no reason to think that it will become Japan nineteen 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:50.560 thirty seven to nineteen forty one. 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:51.480 That's the big fear. 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:56.160 Yeah, that we've shortened the window of opportunity for action 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:57.360 in the South Chancy. 0:18:57.160 --> 0:19:00.320 And there is no need for that because China. A 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.960 war would be China's choice, and they have not done 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:05.879 the things. They're not ready to go to war with us, 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.320 and they're not ready to take Taiwan, no matter how 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:09.639 many demonstrations they have. 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.000