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Speaker 2: We've been Disneyfied a lot of times as a society

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Speaker 2: that we expect that your life builds to a happily

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Speaker 2: ever after and then the story stops and your life

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Speaker 2: is perfect. And I think that the thing that we're

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Speaker 2: longing for as humans is heaven. That's not this world.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 3: So today it's treat to sit down with a good friend.

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Speaker 2: I've got pastor Greglorie from Harvest, got to be here.

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Speaker 3: With the storytellers.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you for having me. Got some good

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Speaker 1: coffee here, I'm ready to go.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know, you and my brother been close for a while,

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Speaker 2: and then you and I have gotten close over the years.

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Speaker 3: How did you and John first meet? Like, how did

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Speaker 3: our worlds collide?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good question. Well, your brother was obsessed with

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Speaker 1: this time magazine cover Jesus Revolution, and he was talking

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Speaker 1: to a friend of mine and he says, yeah, want

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Speaker 1: to make a movie about this magazine cover, about this story.

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Speaker 1: I need to talk to people that were there. My

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Speaker 1: friend said, well, you need to meet Greg Glory. He

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Speaker 1: was there, and so we sat down in a restaurant.

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Speaker 1: As I recall it, it's a three hour meal I

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Speaker 1: think we eat hamburgers, and we talked about that cover

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Speaker 1: and I just basically told him my story and he

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Speaker 1: said he wanted to make a movie out of it. Great,

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Speaker 1: so I told him what I knew. And then It's

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Speaker 1: funny because shortly after that, I came across the story

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Speaker 1: that Steve McQueen had become a Christian. I wonder, is

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Speaker 1: that even a true story? And I googled it and

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Speaker 1: I found a couple of articles, and I found the

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Speaker 1: name of his pastor, and we tracked his pastor down

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Speaker 1: and so then I got this idea out of the blue,

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Speaker 1: long before Jesus Revolution came to be a movie. Hey, John,

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Speaker 1: I had this idea of doing a movie in the

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Speaker 1: life of Steve McQueen converting to Christ. He goes, let's

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Speaker 1: do it. He committed right on the spot. So we

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Speaker 1: did that entire project together and then Jesus Revolution came later.

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Speaker 1: But when he came to me with the first draft

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Speaker 1: of the script, I was really surprised, as see, he

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Speaker 1: had built it largely around my story and the story

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Speaker 1: of my wife, and also obviously of Chuck and Lonnie.

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Speaker 1: So it was a long process, but it started with

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Speaker 1: a conversation where well, you know, actually I have to

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Speaker 1: go back a little bit because the first thing he

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Speaker 1: asked me to do was get fifty thousand people to

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Speaker 3: That's right for Woodlaw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I forgot that part, and so that part I

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Speaker 1: forgot that too. I just meant him. He goes, can

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Speaker 1: I ask you a favor? And he'd like, tell you

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Speaker 1: twirls with the hair he does. I don't have any

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Speaker 1: hair to trow, but here I have to ask you

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Speaker 1: need real people to do it. So I just went

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Speaker 1: out at our crusade. I didn't explain it was a

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Speaker 1: It was a beautiful moment people plot of They loved it,

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Speaker 1: and I said, you're in a movie now, wow. Because

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Speaker 1: I didn't want to, you know, tell them what it

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Speaker 1: up in the movie, but then ultimately the Jesus Revolution

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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, the thing that I like about

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Speaker 2: about you is you're kind of a unicorn when it

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Speaker 2: comes to pastors because a lot of times, you know,

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Speaker 2: and it's and it's changed over time, but you know,

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Speaker 2: there was a there was a period of time where

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Speaker 2: and it was kind of like, well, that's kind of

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Speaker 2: an evangelist. You love your church, you love you know,

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Speaker 2: what you believe, but you also really love the arts

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Speaker 3: What is it that drew you to the arts? What

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Speaker 1: I think for me, originally as a little boy, it

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Speaker 1: there are scenes of a young Greg sitting in a

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Speaker 1: So I would draw little cartoon adventures and I would

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Speaker 1: And he sent it to me and I lost it today,

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Speaker 1: And some would call it, you know, false bravado, but

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Speaker 1: I love West Side Story. I love the sound of music.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something about it. I really love. But then,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you see the impact of it. And then

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Speaker 1: for some reason we pulled away. But I think there's

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Speaker 1: I've just always loved it, and I still love it.

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Speaker 2: And that's why You've become such a dear friend and

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Speaker 2: that idea of there's different parts of.

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Speaker 3: Storytelling that are necessary.

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Speaker 2: And there's the opening hook that you tell when you

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Speaker 2: personal experience, and that story hooks the crowd in and

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Speaker 3: Now then you preach like biblical truth.

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Speaker 2: And I think for us as filmmakers why the product

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Speaker 2: John and I and I think Dallas has gotten that

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Speaker 2: And so I think there's something about filmmaking that it's

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Speaker 2: I was with the filmmaker named Jonathan Levine that he's

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Speaker 1: baptizing each other. Oh, well that this is exciting, you know.

433
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Speaker 1: So and now today we're seeing the other other amazing things.

434
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Speaker 1: I've seen a building of momentum, especially among gen Z

435
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Speaker 1: and especially among gen Z young men. Something is happening,

436
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Speaker 1: and I would say it is a form of revival.

437
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Speaker 1: You know, will it become the next great spiritual awakening.

438
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but you know, Billy Sunday, the great evangelist,

439
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Speaker 1: there's one asked, do you think revivals, you know, are

440
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Speaker 1: really that important or valuable? He goes, well, what good

441
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Speaker 1: is a bath? It's going to do you some good,

442
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Speaker 1: you know. So it's any version of it where there's

443
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Speaker 1: an awakening and people are coming to life spiritually, coming

444
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Speaker 1: to Christ.

445
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Speaker 3: I'm for what do you think the hunger is right now?

446
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Speaker 2: Because, especially with young people right now, especially young men,

447
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Speaker 2: what's the hunger for?

448
00:21:55,965 --> 00:21:58,484
Speaker 3: You know, a spiritual awakening? Where's that coming from right now?

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Speaker 1: Well, you have a generation of young people, many of

450
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Speaker 1: who have been raising single parent households. You have a

451
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Speaker 1: generation of young people who have not had fathers. You

452
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Speaker 1: have a genera which, by the way, this is my

453
00:22:10,365 --> 00:22:13,764
Speaker 1: childhood lived a few years earlier. You have a generation

454
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Speaker 1: of young people raised with every electronic gadget out there

455
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Speaker 1: opening up a world to them that showing them things

456
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Speaker 1: they don't need to see, distracting them in some ways,

457
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Speaker 1: almost remapping their brains. You have an epidemic level of

458
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Speaker 1: abortion of people stolen from this generation that would have

459
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Speaker 1: been there. Because one thing I've seen with gen Z

460
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Speaker 1: is they describe themselves as the loneliest generation. Like compared

461
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Speaker 1: to Baby Boomers, a much higher percentage of Gen Z

462
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Speaker 1: kids are lonely. Well, they don't have dads, they're missing

463
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Speaker 1: many others of their generation. It's called reaping what you sew.

464
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Speaker 1: But that's the bad news. Here's the good news. So

465
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Speaker 1: they're different than the millennial generation, and they're different than

466
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Speaker 1: Gen X, and Gen X is different than the Boomers,

467
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Speaker 1: every generation, and it's kind of a reaction to the

468
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Speaker 1: earlier generation. So the Boomers, you know, we're post World

469
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Speaker 1: War two and our parents, you know, we're the greatest generation. Well,

470
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Speaker 1: we're going to be more in touch with their feelings

471
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Speaker 1: and we're going to be this and that we did

472
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Speaker 1: what we did. And then you have the generations that react.

473
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Speaker 1: And now you have a generation that they're saying, you've

474
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Speaker 1: told us there is no God, or you've not modeled

475
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Speaker 1: for us anything resembling a traditional trad wife or you know,

476
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Speaker 1: traditional values. Now those things are suddenly appealing to us.

477
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Speaker 1: And so certain individuals like Jordan Peterson very significant voice

478
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Speaker 1: calling young men to be responsible. Certainly Charlie Kirk very

479
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Speaker 1: important voice and very tragically murdered and It's like they

480
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Speaker 1: lost their big brother. Jordan could have been their dad,

481
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Speaker 1: and Charlie was their big brother, telling them, you know,

482
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Speaker 1: be responsible, get a job, get married, go to church,

483
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Speaker 1: have children. I mean, these are biblical values. So I

484
00:24:07,645 --> 00:24:12,205
Speaker 1: think that you know, you've created a thirsty generation and

485
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Speaker 1: if we're not there as the church with clear answers,

486
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Speaker 1: we're going to miss an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Well said, you know, the Jesus Revolution movie being a

488
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Speaker 2: part of that. What other memories were special specifically to

489
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Speaker 2: you in the making of that film. What were a

490
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Speaker 2: few of the moments that stood out for you.

491
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Speaker 1: Well, there were a couple of flashback moments as we

492
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Speaker 1: recreated scenes from my childhood. One was on my high

493
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Speaker 1: school campus, which was in Newport Beach, and we found

494
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Speaker 1: a school in Alabama, of all places, that looked remarkably

495
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Speaker 1: like my school campus, and so they recreated this scene.

496
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Speaker 1: Of course, you know, the extras are in wardrobes, so

497
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Speaker 1: they looked like people from that time. Jonathan Roumy, he

498
00:24:55,764 --> 00:24:58,404
Speaker 1: did a brilliant job playing the role of Lonnie Frisbee,

499
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Speaker 1: and we spent long hours Jonathan and I talking what

500
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Speaker 1: was Lonnie Frisbee like? And I said, I've never anyone

501
00:25:06,084 --> 00:25:08,324
Speaker 1: quite like him. He'd walk into a room, it was

502
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Speaker 1: like kind of lit the room up. He was quite

503
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Speaker 1: an individual anyway. He so captured that. And there's this

504
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Speaker 1: one scene where Jonathan is speaking and he says, Jesus says,

505
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Speaker 1: you're either for me or against me, and Joel Courtney,

506
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Speaker 1: who plays Greg, is standing there and Jonathan makes eye

507
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Speaker 1: contact with him, and then you see Joel's reactions like, well,

508
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Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I went back in time.

509
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Speaker 1: That was pretty awesome. But now, literally, in my real story,

510
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Speaker 1: that's when I got saved. That's when I became a Christian.

511
00:25:38,524 --> 00:25:40,445
Speaker 1: But your brother came and said, yeah, you know, I

512
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Speaker 1: want to do this baptism scene and could I have

513
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Speaker 1: you get saved there? I go, well, as long as

514
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Speaker 1: I get saved, it's okay. So we changed it a

515
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Speaker 1: little and that's, you know, support what happens in movies.

516
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Speaker 1: And your brother said, think of it like painting, not

517
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Speaker 1: a photograph. And once I kind of understood that the

518
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Speaker 1: compression of time, sometimes two people became one person. Like

519
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Speaker 1: for instance, there was a girl that kind of drew

520
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Speaker 1: me to the Christians meeting on the front lawe of

521
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Speaker 1: my high school, and I found her attractive, but she

522
00:26:10,885 --> 00:26:15,244
Speaker 1: wasn't a beauty queen, but she was. I believe it

523
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Speaker 1: was the Lord shining through her. So I was walking

524
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Speaker 1: across my campus and I saw her sitting there, so

525
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Speaker 1: I sat down close enough to kind of watch her,

526
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Speaker 1: and I eavesdropped on the Christians conversation and I heard

527
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Speaker 1: the gospel and I got saved. But that girl never

528
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Speaker 1: became my girlfriend. She just the Lord used her to

529
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Speaker 1: get my attention. And so but John made that girl

530
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Speaker 1: my wife, who I met later. You know, he says

531
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Speaker 1: you can't have two love interests in the same film.

532
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Speaker 1: So I say what you're saying. So I was learning.

533
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Speaker 1: I've been learning about how these things. You know, how

534
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Speaker 1: the sausage is made, so to speak. Fascinating process, but

535
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Speaker 1: once you realize when you see the end result, because

536
00:26:53,044 --> 00:26:55,925
Speaker 1: I watch you do what you do and your brother

537
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Speaker 1: and others, and I just think, you know, they know

538
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Speaker 1: what they're doing. So wait till it's done, and let

539
00:27:02,324 --> 00:27:04,684
Speaker 1: them finish it, and let them score it, and let

540
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Speaker 1: them edit it, let them cut things out that they

541
00:27:07,004 --> 00:27:09,805
Speaker 1: shot and then reshoot or do whatever they do. When

542
00:27:09,804 --> 00:27:13,564
Speaker 1: it's all done, then make an evaluation of it. And

543
00:27:14,244 --> 00:27:16,404
Speaker 1: I think then you go wow, and the way that

544
00:27:16,484 --> 00:27:19,364
Speaker 1: it can move you, and the scenes that that moved me.

545
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Speaker 1: That was one. The other one, of course, was the baptism.

546
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Speaker 1: Even though that did not happen to me in real life,

547
00:27:25,405 --> 00:27:28,004
Speaker 1: it was powerful in real life. And in fact, while

548
00:27:28,044 --> 00:27:32,085
Speaker 1: we were baptizing people in the film, there was one

549
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Speaker 1: character in the film that was baptized in character in wardrobe,

550
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Speaker 1: and then after the scene was shot, he came up

551
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Speaker 1: to me and said, I want to get baptized for real.

552
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Speaker 3: It's basic.

553
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Speaker 1: And I said, well, you need to be a Christian

554
00:27:44,804 --> 00:27:46,884
Speaker 1: and he goes tell me and what is it? And

555
00:27:46,925 --> 00:27:50,805
Speaker 1: I shared the Gospel with him. Then I baptized him.

556
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Speaker 1: So while they were baptizing people for the film, I'm

557
00:27:54,365 --> 00:27:56,804
Speaker 1: baptizing this guy for real. So they're all they stuff

558
00:27:56,844 --> 00:27:59,365
Speaker 1: and they look at it. So it was like once

559
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Speaker 1: again art was immit. Well you know we were. Our

560
00:28:03,284 --> 00:28:05,965
Speaker 1: life was imitating art imitating life.

561
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Speaker 2: Just amazing with that's and that was an incredible story

562
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Speaker 2: with other stories along the way, like you've had several

563
00:28:14,324 --> 00:28:17,244
Speaker 2: mentors in your life, you've had. It was amazing where

564
00:28:17,284 --> 00:28:19,965
Speaker 2: we left off in the movie with you, you know, Joe

565
00:28:20,044 --> 00:28:23,685
Speaker 2: Courtney playing you and then Chuck kind of igniting this

566
00:28:23,965 --> 00:28:27,044
Speaker 2: Riverside church that ended up becoming Harvest and kind of

567
00:28:27,044 --> 00:28:28,324
Speaker 2: giving you the keys of the building.

568
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Speaker 3: Literally.

569
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Speaker 2: One of the other mentors that you've had in your

570
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Speaker 2: life is Billy Graham, And there's something really fascinating about

571
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Speaker 2: your relationship with Billy. How did you and Billy connect

572
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Speaker 2: and what did he mean in your journey?

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Speaker 1: Well, that goes back to my childhood because back to

574
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Speaker 1: my grandparents' house again. When I lived with them, they

575
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Speaker 1: had two big lazy boy chairs facing the old television set.

576
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Speaker 1: We'd watch gon Smoke, Ponda ros you know, the Ponda Rosa,

577
00:28:53,645 --> 00:28:58,165
Speaker 1: the Bonanza and all those shows. But we would watch

578
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Speaker 1: Billy Graham preach. And I really liked Billy Graham. In fact,

579
00:29:02,165 --> 00:29:04,365
Speaker 1: he reminded me of Marshall Dylon. I think he looks

580
00:29:04,405 --> 00:29:07,285
Speaker 1: like Marshall Dylon. But so I had this connection going

581
00:29:07,325 --> 00:29:09,805
Speaker 1: back to my childhood. So after I became a Christian,

582
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Speaker 1: I went to a Billy Graham crusade and I listened

583
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Speaker 1: to him preach and I connected. I just I thought

584
00:29:17,805 --> 00:29:19,445
Speaker 1: kind of like, that's what I want to do when

585
00:29:19,445 --> 00:29:22,805
Speaker 1: I grow up. I was seventeen, but I thought, I

586
00:29:22,844 --> 00:29:25,965
Speaker 1: think this is what I should do. I connected with

587
00:29:26,084 --> 00:29:28,805
Speaker 1: him even more than with Chuck. As a pastor. I thought,

588
00:29:28,965 --> 00:29:31,765
Speaker 1: I want to be an evangelist. That sort of awakened

589
00:29:31,805 --> 00:29:34,805
Speaker 1: something in me. It's funny because we were just getting

590
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Speaker 1: our church started at that point. They wrote a little

591
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Speaker 1: article about me in the paper. So I put it

592
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Speaker 1: in a Manila envelope with a letter introducing myself to Billy.

593
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Speaker 1: And so I went forward at the invitation so I

594
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Speaker 1: could get a closer look at Billy. And as he

595
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Speaker 1: was leaving, there was the ushers are holding back people

596
00:29:52,125 --> 00:29:54,364
Speaker 1: that want to shake his hand. He's walking out, and

597
00:29:54,405 --> 00:29:57,124
Speaker 1: I handed an envelope to him. I think one of

598
00:29:57,165 --> 00:29:59,884
Speaker 1: his helpers took it, and I realized just as I

599
00:30:00,045 --> 00:30:03,724
Speaker 1: handed it off, I misspelled his last name. It was

600
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Speaker 1: not Grham, it was g r A M.

601
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Speaker 3: Yeah, just to the point, idiot, could you not?

602
00:30:09,925 --> 00:30:10,124
Speaker 1: You know?

603
00:30:10,925 --> 00:30:11,005
Speaker 3: So?

604
00:30:11,725 --> 00:30:12,925
Speaker 1: But I just said old Billy.

605
00:30:13,125 --> 00:30:13,285
Speaker 3: Well.

606
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Speaker 1: I met him briefly a little bit later in a hallway,

607
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Speaker 1: and then in nineteen eighty five he came to do

608
00:30:19,604 --> 00:30:22,165
Speaker 1: a crusade in Nnheim and our church was involved, and

609
00:30:23,045 --> 00:30:25,925
Speaker 1: I just started to become friends with his son, Franklin,

610
00:30:26,645 --> 00:30:30,124
Speaker 1: who was introduced to me by a mutual friend, Dennisagagenian,

611
00:30:30,285 --> 00:30:34,205
Speaker 1: who's a country singer, and so Billy said, thank you

612
00:30:34,285 --> 00:30:37,684
Speaker 1: for being friends with my son. Please help him in

613
00:30:37,725 --> 00:30:41,005
Speaker 1: any way you can. I said, yes, sir, So I

614
00:30:41,045 --> 00:30:43,565
Speaker 1: took it like that. That's when I need to do that.

615
00:30:43,765 --> 00:30:46,165
Speaker 1: And I always tried to be a friend of Franklin.

616
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Speaker 1: He's been a great friend to me over the years

617
00:30:48,525 --> 00:30:50,765
Speaker 1: as well. We've known each other for many years now.

618
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Speaker 1: But then as we got our crusades going, I got

619
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Speaker 1: to know Billy a little bit. Franklin would invite me

620
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Speaker 1: over to his parents' house and I would spend time

621
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Speaker 1: with Billy privately, having meals with him. And then he

622
00:31:05,005 --> 00:31:06,885
Speaker 1: was kind of me toward the end of his crusade

623
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Speaker 1: ministry and I was beginning my crusade ministry, and he

624
00:31:10,485 --> 00:31:12,604
Speaker 1: asked me if I would help him with the sermons.

625
00:31:13,285 --> 00:31:16,125
Speaker 1: So he would give me his his manuscripts, which are

626
00:31:16,365 --> 00:31:19,765
Speaker 1: funny because there was only like a paragraph and a

627
00:31:19,765 --> 00:31:22,325
Speaker 1: half on a page, and he turned the page because

628
00:31:22,365 --> 00:31:25,485
Speaker 1: the type was so big, and so I would go through.

629
00:31:25,565 --> 00:31:27,525
Speaker 1: I still have some, so I'd go through and I

630
00:31:27,525 --> 00:31:30,925
Speaker 1: would freshen his illustrations up because they would be kind

631
00:31:30,965 --> 00:31:33,765
Speaker 1: of maybe illustrations that would have worked, you know, twenty

632
00:31:33,844 --> 00:31:37,565
Speaker 1: years ago. So I would put current information, current things,

633
00:31:38,045 --> 00:31:40,725
Speaker 1: and sometimes I would explain things, like one time he

634
00:31:40,844 --> 00:31:43,884
Speaker 1: was preaching in Minneapolis. This is when Smashing Pumpkins was

635
00:31:43,885 --> 00:31:45,925
Speaker 1: the thing a band, you know. So I had a

636
00:31:46,005 --> 00:31:49,924
Speaker 1: quote from Smashing Pumpkins some song they had ratt in

637
00:31:49,925 --> 00:31:52,245
Speaker 1: a Cage, You're a ratten a cage, whatever it was,

638
00:31:52,604 --> 00:31:55,605
Speaker 1: and so I literally put in the quote as the

639
00:31:55,925 --> 00:31:58,644
Speaker 1: Smashing Pumpkins said, and I wrote a note in the

640
00:31:58,645 --> 00:32:01,844
Speaker 1: margin Billy Smashing Pumpkins as a band, you know, I

641
00:32:01,885 --> 00:32:05,644
Speaker 1: didn't want to think it's somebody slashing. And so he's

642
00:32:05,685 --> 00:32:07,485
Speaker 1: preaching and he's in the middle of a cement and

643
00:32:07,525 --> 00:32:11,485
Speaker 1: then smash him, Pumpkins said, and he quotes a lyric,

644
00:32:11,965 --> 00:32:15,045
Speaker 1: and when it was done, I was so excited. I

645
00:32:15,165 --> 00:32:17,685
Speaker 1: was more excited than if I had done it, because

646
00:32:17,925 --> 00:32:20,404
Speaker 1: anything I could do to help him was just my

647
00:32:20,565 --> 00:32:23,445
Speaker 1: greatest joy. One time, Billy came to me and said,

648
00:32:23,485 --> 00:32:25,884
Speaker 1: I lost my hat. Would you find me a hat?

649
00:32:26,725 --> 00:32:28,924
Speaker 1: So as a bull cap, I went to the local

650
00:32:29,005 --> 00:32:30,765
Speaker 1: mall and I went to a store I think it

651
00:32:30,805 --> 00:32:33,525
Speaker 1: was called Lids where they have like yeah, and I'm

652
00:32:33,565 --> 00:32:35,964
Speaker 1: like what hat would Billy want? And you know, I'm

653
00:32:36,005 --> 00:32:38,285
Speaker 1: praying God give me wisdom to pick the right hat

654
00:32:38,325 --> 00:32:40,444
Speaker 1: for Billy. And I found one, gave it to him.

655
00:32:40,565 --> 00:32:42,604
Speaker 1: Thank me. He wore it, and he had it in

656
00:32:42,645 --> 00:32:45,285
Speaker 1: the picture the next day because he thought the hat

657
00:32:45,925 --> 00:32:49,765
Speaker 1: disguised him. But he had such a familiar profile. He

658
00:32:49,805 --> 00:32:52,684
Speaker 1: could be on Mount Rushmore with his profile. And then

659
00:32:52,725 --> 00:32:54,604
Speaker 1: he lost it the next day. But he lost a

660
00:32:54,604 --> 00:32:56,925
Speaker 1: lot of hats. So but I spent a lot of

661
00:32:57,005 --> 00:33:00,725
Speaker 1: time with them privately, and I constantly was asking him

662
00:33:00,844 --> 00:33:04,765
Speaker 1: questions because I realized this is a privilege and I

663
00:33:04,844 --> 00:33:06,525
Speaker 1: need to learn what I could learn it. And I

664
00:33:06,565 --> 00:33:10,125
Speaker 1: felt like I was enrolled in the finest evangelistic university

665
00:33:10,245 --> 00:33:14,845
Speaker 1: on Earth with the greatest evangelist of all time. And

666
00:33:14,925 --> 00:33:19,045
Speaker 1: so I learned everything I could learn from him, watching him,

667
00:33:19,645 --> 00:33:22,965
Speaker 1: helping him to some degree, and just being around him,

668
00:33:23,005 --> 00:33:25,805
Speaker 1: because some things are caught and some things are taught.

669
00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:28,965
Speaker 3: What things were the big tent pole things you caught

670
00:33:29,005 --> 00:33:29,485
Speaker 3: from billion?

671
00:33:29,604 --> 00:33:33,965
Speaker 1: Great question? Humility? That was real. He's the most famous

672
00:33:33,965 --> 00:33:36,364
Speaker 1: person I've ever met, and I've met some famous people,

673
00:33:36,445 --> 00:33:39,445
Speaker 1: but he carried his fame so well. He was very

674
00:33:39,485 --> 00:33:41,845
Speaker 1: accessible to people, I'd be with him where people would

675
00:33:41,844 --> 00:33:45,364
Speaker 1: approach him. We'd be eating like I remember once I

676
00:33:45,405 --> 00:33:47,725
Speaker 1: was in a red lobster restaurant with him. He loved

677
00:33:47,805 --> 00:33:51,405
Speaker 1: red lobster. And strangely he's doing a crusader that city.

678
00:33:51,405 --> 00:33:53,405
Speaker 1: He has his ball cap on so no one will

679
00:33:53,445 --> 00:33:57,845
Speaker 1: recognize him, but everyone does. And there was an atheist

680
00:33:57,885 --> 00:34:02,125
Speaker 1: convention happening at the same time, and people are recognizing Billy.

681
00:34:02,165 --> 00:34:05,084
Speaker 1: And our table was right by this walkway and people

682
00:34:05,084 --> 00:34:07,644
Speaker 1: would walk up to him. Atheist like Billy Graham. He

683
00:34:07,765 --> 00:34:12,365
Speaker 1: was so warm and such a great representative of Christ.

684
00:34:12,685 --> 00:34:16,844
Speaker 1: Here's an example of Billy's secret sauce. I was with

685
00:34:16,925 --> 00:34:19,125
Speaker 1: him in Portland, Oregon, which, as you know, is a

686
00:34:19,205 --> 00:34:23,085
Speaker 1: very liberal city. It was almost a revival like night.

687
00:34:23,965 --> 00:34:26,325
Speaker 1: Huge a number of people came to Christ. It rained

688
00:34:26,445 --> 00:34:30,565
Speaker 1: very hard that night, and so we came to the car.

689
00:34:30,685 --> 00:34:34,605
Speaker 1: We got in it. Franklin was writing Shotgun. Now excuse me,

690
00:34:34,645 --> 00:34:37,245
Speaker 1: I was shotgun and Billy was in the back seat

691
00:34:37,285 --> 00:34:41,245
Speaker 1: with Franklin, and so I turned around to him as

692
00:34:41,285 --> 00:34:43,845
Speaker 1: a driveway. I said, Billy, that was a wonderful message tonight,

693
00:34:43,885 --> 00:34:47,885
Speaker 1: and he said, well, it's just gospel. Turn bacha around

694
00:34:47,925 --> 00:34:51,765
Speaker 1: I know it's just gospel. Let's try to compliment him. Okay.

695
00:34:51,925 --> 00:34:53,725
Speaker 1: Then thought of a point that he made. I said,

696
00:34:54,005 --> 00:34:56,045
Speaker 1: turn becha around, Billy. I loved that point when you

697
00:34:56,085 --> 00:34:59,685
Speaker 1: said Christ can resensitize your conscience. And he said, well,

698
00:34:59,685 --> 00:35:03,925
Speaker 1: he can't turn back around. Okay, I get it. So

699
00:35:04,005 --> 00:35:07,045
Speaker 1: we go back to the hotel and Billy disappears for

700
00:35:07,085 --> 00:35:10,365
Speaker 1: a few moments, comes out in his pajamas and his

701
00:35:10,565 --> 00:35:13,005
Speaker 1: dress shoes. I don't think he brought his slippers with them.

702
00:35:13,525 --> 00:35:16,645
Speaker 1: And someone had given us roast beef sandwiches to eat

703
00:35:17,125 --> 00:35:20,285
Speaker 1: that were warm when we got them hours before another cold,

704
00:35:20,605 --> 00:35:23,805
Speaker 1: and we sat around eight sandwiches. He was with friends,

705
00:35:23,845 --> 00:35:28,125
Speaker 1: telling old stories, laughing, and I thought, this is a secret,

706
00:35:28,645 --> 00:35:31,645
Speaker 1: not taking yourself seriously too serious. So you take your

707
00:35:31,645 --> 00:35:35,885
Speaker 1: message very seriously, You do your job. You're done with

708
00:35:36,005 --> 00:35:39,245
Speaker 1: your job. Now you just return to normalcy. And I

709
00:35:39,285 --> 00:35:41,925
Speaker 1: think that sometimes, you know, it can happen to preachers,

710
00:35:41,965 --> 00:35:44,605
Speaker 1: It can happen to musicians, It can happen to people

711
00:35:44,685 --> 00:35:47,325
Speaker 1: that have a little taste that fame goes to their

712
00:35:47,405 --> 00:35:50,365
Speaker 1: head and they turn to all kinds of other things

713
00:35:50,445 --> 00:35:52,485
Speaker 1: to kind of keep them on that high. They had

714
00:35:52,565 --> 00:35:55,485
Speaker 1: maybe at the big concert of this or that, and

715
00:35:55,565 --> 00:35:59,325
Speaker 1: Billy just returned back to normalcy, and he was the

716
00:35:59,365 --> 00:36:02,445
Speaker 1: most godly man I ever met. He was even more

717
00:36:02,485 --> 00:36:06,525
Speaker 1: impressive privately than he was publicly, and think goll impress

718
00:36:06,565 --> 00:36:09,805
Speaker 1: that he was publicly. But he was really just that

719
00:36:09,885 --> 00:36:12,325
Speaker 1: guy you hoped he would be. Now I've met some

720
00:36:12,485 --> 00:36:14,845
Speaker 1: that weren't that guy you hoped they would be, but

721
00:36:14,965 --> 00:36:18,925
Speaker 1: he was big time and that made a huge impression

722
00:36:18,965 --> 00:36:19,205
Speaker 1: on me.

723
00:36:19,645 --> 00:36:23,884
Speaker 3: That's fascinating. I love it speaking of being the real

724
00:36:23,965 --> 00:36:25,325
Speaker 3: thing behind the scenes.

725
00:36:26,445 --> 00:36:28,405
Speaker 2: And you'll probably squirre them at this because the same

726
00:36:28,445 --> 00:36:33,405
Speaker 2: way Billy avoided the compliments, you do as well. But

727
00:36:33,965 --> 00:36:36,325
Speaker 2: I'd like to think that my brother and I know

728
00:36:36,445 --> 00:36:40,325
Speaker 2: you really well and over the years, you know, I've

729
00:36:40,365 --> 00:36:43,125
Speaker 2: met a lot of people that I admire what they say,

730
00:36:43,125 --> 00:36:44,885
Speaker 2: but when you meet him behind the scenes, it doesn't

731
00:36:44,925 --> 00:36:48,925
Speaker 2: measure up. And I can vouch every bit for your

732
00:36:49,005 --> 00:36:52,045
Speaker 2: character that it's the same for you behind the scenes

733
00:36:52,085 --> 00:36:53,245
Speaker 2: as you're describing.

734
00:36:52,845 --> 00:36:53,885
Speaker 3: With Billy, that.

735
00:36:55,485 --> 00:36:57,844
Speaker 2: You have a high level of integrity, You don't take

736
00:36:57,845 --> 00:37:00,685
Speaker 2: yourself too seriously, and what you see is what you get,

737
00:37:00,965 --> 00:37:04,165
Speaker 2: and there's no smoking guns, there's no red flags and

738
00:37:04,245 --> 00:37:07,485
Speaker 2: I've been around a lot of public you know, pastors

739
00:37:07,565 --> 00:37:09,445
Speaker 2: or musicians, and if things where are there are a

740
00:37:09,485 --> 00:37:11,685
Speaker 2: lot of red flags. And we all have our flaws,

741
00:37:12,245 --> 00:37:14,445
Speaker 2: but you know, there's just different things where you're like, Okay,

742
00:37:14,445 --> 00:37:17,605
Speaker 2: something's not right there. Maintaining that level of integrity for

743
00:37:17,645 --> 00:37:22,165
Speaker 2: the amount of years you've had in a public ministry setting,

744
00:37:22,805 --> 00:37:25,165
Speaker 2: what has allowed you to maintain your integrity? What has

745
00:37:25,285 --> 00:37:28,085
Speaker 2: kept your heart safe over the years.

746
00:37:28,765 --> 00:37:31,404
Speaker 1: Well, you know, start with my wife. You know, we've

747
00:37:31,405 --> 00:37:35,205
Speaker 1: been married over fifty years, and she tells me the truth.

748
00:37:35,485 --> 00:37:39,245
Speaker 1: You know, my wife, she'll always you know, be an

749
00:37:39,245 --> 00:37:43,365
Speaker 1: evaluation of things, positive and negative. I also have a

750
00:37:43,365 --> 00:37:45,085
Speaker 1: lot of friends that they've had for a long time.

751
00:37:45,125 --> 00:37:47,325
Speaker 1: I mentioned Franklin Graham, a lot of other friends. We

752
00:37:47,445 --> 00:37:50,005
Speaker 1: get together. We're not impressed with each other. We're just

753
00:37:50,085 --> 00:37:52,884
Speaker 1: friends and if we you know, and sometimes we'll kid

754
00:37:52,925 --> 00:37:56,085
Speaker 1: each other, sometimes openly mock each other, which I don't

755
00:37:56,085 --> 00:38:00,205
Speaker 1: think is necessarily a bad thing. And I love to mock.

756
00:38:00,325 --> 00:38:02,525
Speaker 1: I have to admit it's maybe my love language.

757
00:38:02,525 --> 00:38:04,205
Speaker 3: You're really good at it.

758
00:38:04,325 --> 00:38:07,525
Speaker 1: If I mock people means I like them, you know, so.

759
00:38:08,205 --> 00:38:10,845
Speaker 1: But I think that you have to be around people

760
00:38:11,245 --> 00:38:13,445
Speaker 1: that will tell you the truth and you and also

761
00:38:13,485 --> 00:38:16,485
Speaker 1: around people where you can you know, bury your heart.

762
00:38:16,565 --> 00:38:20,285
Speaker 1: You know, after our son died, I turned to friends

763
00:38:20,805 --> 00:38:25,085
Speaker 1: who I could talk to honestly and process grief because

764
00:38:25,125 --> 00:38:27,245
Speaker 1: they think that you know, you one things that well,

765
00:38:27,285 --> 00:38:29,844
Speaker 1: you're a preacher, you'll have all the answers well when

766
00:38:29,885 --> 00:38:31,765
Speaker 1: it was all said and done. When our son died,

767
00:38:31,805 --> 00:38:35,485
Speaker 1: I was a father who lost a son. And you know, I,

768
00:38:35,565 --> 00:38:38,005
Speaker 1: on so many occasions have been the pastor up there

769
00:38:38,445 --> 00:38:40,845
Speaker 1: trying to find the right words to comfort the family

770
00:38:40,925 --> 00:38:44,325
Speaker 1: sitting in those front rows. And then one day I'm

771
00:38:44,325 --> 00:38:47,045
Speaker 1: the grieving father in the front row. Pastor Chuck is

772
00:38:47,085 --> 00:38:51,125
Speaker 1: speaking at my son's service, and that's very humbling and

773
00:38:51,165 --> 00:38:54,485
Speaker 1: you are dependent on God to get through it. But

774
00:38:54,525 --> 00:38:56,884
Speaker 1: then you find people that I could talk to and say, look,

775
00:38:57,125 --> 00:38:59,485
Speaker 1: I'm just really struggling right now and this is hard

776
00:38:59,525 --> 00:39:02,605
Speaker 1: for me. And they would say things that I've said

777
00:39:02,645 --> 00:39:06,805
Speaker 1: to others, but you know, they just sometimes you know,

778
00:39:06,845 --> 00:39:09,205
Speaker 1: you need to hear it yourself or on Saul Said

779
00:39:09,205 --> 00:39:12,005
Speaker 1: and Done. Just because God's maybe given you a calling

780
00:39:12,085 --> 00:39:14,685
Speaker 1: to do a certain thing, You're still a human being

781
00:39:14,765 --> 00:39:18,245
Speaker 1: that needs God and you need to be dependent on God,

782
00:39:18,325 --> 00:39:21,365
Speaker 1: and you need to walk humbly before God. And I

783
00:39:21,405 --> 00:39:23,565
Speaker 1: think as now I'm you know, toward the end of

784
00:39:23,605 --> 00:39:27,965
Speaker 1: my race, not the beginning anymore. You know, I want

785
00:39:27,965 --> 00:39:30,285
Speaker 1: these last laps to be good ones, and I want

786
00:39:30,285 --> 00:39:32,965
Speaker 1: to finish well. I love the story of Caleb and

787
00:39:33,005 --> 00:39:35,725
Speaker 1: the Bible. Yeah, you know, him and Joshua went in

788
00:39:35,885 --> 00:39:39,365
Speaker 1: with the other ten spies and scope things out and

789
00:39:39,445 --> 00:39:43,525
Speaker 1: came back and Caleb and Joshua gave the minority report, Hey,

790
00:39:43,565 --> 00:39:45,685
Speaker 1: it's awesome, let's go. God will give it to us.

791
00:39:45,685 --> 00:39:47,725
Speaker 1: The other time we're like, ah, the people are giant, No,

792
00:39:47,845 --> 00:39:50,605
Speaker 1: we can't go. And so you know, they didn't go

793
00:39:50,725 --> 00:39:54,685
Speaker 1: in unfortunately. But so later fast forward, you know, Joshua's

794
00:39:54,765 --> 00:39:58,565
Speaker 1: leading everything and Caleb is eighty five years old. He says,

795
00:39:58,605 --> 00:40:01,085
Speaker 1: I'm as strong today as I was on the day

796
00:40:01,125 --> 00:40:03,285
Speaker 1: that the Lord called me, and he says, give me

797
00:40:03,405 --> 00:40:06,965
Speaker 1: this mountain. I can see him raised up as boney old. Yeah,

798
00:40:07,045 --> 00:40:09,405
Speaker 1: five year older, give me this mountain. And then he

799
00:40:09,445 --> 00:40:13,005
Speaker 1: gives his secret, for I've wholly followed the Lord, my God.

800
00:40:13,285 --> 00:40:16,485
Speaker 1: So I think everything comes from your own relationship with God.

801
00:40:16,885 --> 00:40:20,885
Speaker 1: What she needs to be cultivated and maintained and you know,

802
00:40:21,005 --> 00:40:23,925
Speaker 1: as Paul said, a farmer has to first be a

803
00:40:23,965 --> 00:40:27,845
Speaker 1: partaker of the fruits or that whichever see from the

804
00:40:27,885 --> 00:40:31,445
Speaker 1: Lord I've delivered under you. It has to happen to

805
00:40:31,525 --> 00:40:34,364
Speaker 1: you before it can go through you. And I think

806
00:40:34,405 --> 00:40:37,845
Speaker 1: when it's happening to you, when it goes through you,

807
00:40:37,965 --> 00:40:42,205
Speaker 1: there will be a ring of authenticity, because like when

808
00:40:42,245 --> 00:40:45,525
Speaker 1: I give illustrations or talk about my own life, I'm

809
00:40:45,605 --> 00:40:49,405
Speaker 1: usually not the hero of my stories. I show stories

810
00:40:49,405 --> 00:40:52,765
Speaker 1: where I messed up or made a mistake, or you know,

811
00:40:52,885 --> 00:40:56,285
Speaker 1: somebody else had it right, and not to appear humble,

812
00:40:56,325 --> 00:40:59,045
Speaker 1: but just just so you know, I don't like to

813
00:40:59,085 --> 00:41:02,765
Speaker 1: hear preachers make themselves heroes of their stories. It just

814
00:41:02,925 --> 00:41:06,085
Speaker 1: puts me off. And so I always fell Billy was

815
00:41:06,085 --> 00:41:08,605
Speaker 1: that way. Billy never like you couldn't get Billy to

816
00:41:08,685 --> 00:41:11,685
Speaker 1: talk about himself. Yeah, I'd say, Billy, tell me about this,

817
00:41:11,725 --> 00:41:14,365
Speaker 1: and then he would always deflect. And I think his

818
00:41:14,485 --> 00:41:19,885
Speaker 1: deflection was just really an insight into his character. So

819
00:41:20,045 --> 00:41:22,125
Speaker 1: I don't know, because it's like, how did you how

820
00:41:22,205 --> 00:41:24,765
Speaker 1: have you maintained your humility? Yes, I'm writing in your

821
00:41:24,805 --> 00:41:27,805
Speaker 1: book Humility and how I found it. So you know,

822
00:41:27,845 --> 00:41:30,085
Speaker 1: if you say you found humility. It's not a very

823
00:41:30,125 --> 00:41:33,405
Speaker 1: humble thing to say, but you know, I would just

824
00:41:33,485 --> 00:41:36,844
Speaker 1: to summarize, you know, walk closely with God, maintain your

825
00:41:36,885 --> 00:41:40,285
Speaker 1: personal relationship with the Lord. Number two, have friends that

826
00:41:40,365 --> 00:41:44,325
Speaker 1: are honest with you, have an accountability to people. Let

827
00:41:44,405 --> 00:41:47,405
Speaker 1: people speak into your life you Thirtadly, don't take yourself

828
00:41:47,405 --> 00:41:51,405
Speaker 1: too seriously, take what you do very seriously. And fourthly,

829
00:41:51,445 --> 00:41:54,005
Speaker 1: maybe have some good mentors in your life that you

830
00:41:54,045 --> 00:41:56,685
Speaker 1: can look up to that can speak truth to you.

831
00:41:56,885 --> 00:41:59,765
Speaker 1: Problem is, as I've gotten older, now everyone's I'm older

832
00:41:59,805 --> 00:42:02,925
Speaker 1: than everybody. But you know, the funny thing, Andy, is

833
00:42:03,325 --> 00:42:05,444
Speaker 1: I think when you're younger, you need to be around

834
00:42:05,645 --> 00:42:08,325
Speaker 1: older people, but I think when you're older, you need

835
00:42:08,325 --> 00:42:11,565
Speaker 1: to be around younger papers. And I'm inspired by younger

836
00:42:11,605 --> 00:42:15,125
Speaker 1: people and they help me. Now as i'm I'm kind

837
00:42:15,165 --> 00:42:17,685
Speaker 1: of in the place where Billy was, you know, where

838
00:42:17,725 --> 00:42:20,205
Speaker 1: he's the older guy, and I'm saying to the younger people,

839
00:42:20,285 --> 00:42:24,325
Speaker 1: help me stay connected to this culture you know that

840
00:42:24,405 --> 00:42:28,205
Speaker 1: I'm in. And so that's something that's very important as well.

841
00:42:28,325 --> 00:42:30,965
Speaker 2: I love that, you know, it's one of the secrets

842
00:42:30,725 --> 00:42:33,285
Speaker 2: that we do on film to get some of the

843
00:42:33,285 --> 00:42:36,565
Speaker 2: performances that we do as I love. You know, Usually

844
00:42:36,645 --> 00:42:38,685
Speaker 2: the actors I have the most difficult time are the

845
00:42:38,685 --> 00:42:41,125
Speaker 2: people that have had a breakout moment. They're right there

846
00:42:41,125 --> 00:42:44,525
Speaker 2: in the middle and they're not young or old anymore.

847
00:42:44,845 --> 00:42:48,005
Speaker 2: The ones I have the most successful with situations with

848
00:42:48,325 --> 00:42:51,045
Speaker 2: are the ones that are either just starting or it's

849
00:42:51,085 --> 00:42:54,685
Speaker 2: the old guard and the secrets. The secret sauce is

850
00:42:54,725 --> 00:42:57,245
Speaker 2: if you can put them in the moment together. And

851
00:42:57,285 --> 00:42:59,565
Speaker 2: so one of the most special scenes in the original

852
00:42:59,685 --> 00:43:02,925
Speaker 2: I can imagine was that breakfast table scene between Bart

853
00:43:03,285 --> 00:43:05,924
Speaker 2: and his dad Arthur played by Dennis Quaid and John

854
00:43:05,965 --> 00:43:08,645
Speaker 2: Michael Finley. It was his first film, and what happens

855
00:43:08,685 --> 00:43:12,605
Speaker 2: in this scenario is the young guard John Michael in

856
00:43:12,605 --> 00:43:15,205
Speaker 2: that case, they look across the table and they see

857
00:43:15,245 --> 00:43:16,725
Speaker 2: somebody that knows their craft.

858
00:43:17,165 --> 00:43:18,725
Speaker 3: They know why they do what they do, they know

859
00:43:18,765 --> 00:43:19,965
Speaker 3: who they are, and.

860
00:43:19,925 --> 00:43:22,005
Speaker 2: They know how to They know their instrument, they know

861
00:43:22,085 --> 00:43:24,485
Speaker 2: how to how to how to play their instrument, and

862
00:43:24,525 --> 00:43:28,045
Speaker 2: they kind of learn technique. What the old guard sees

863
00:43:28,285 --> 00:43:32,364
Speaker 2: is that first love, that original passion, and they're like, oh,

864
00:43:32,445 --> 00:43:34,645
Speaker 2: that's what it felt like at the beginning, and it

865
00:43:34,765 --> 00:43:36,325
Speaker 2: helps them to fall in love with what they do.

866
00:43:36,365 --> 00:43:38,525
Speaker 2: All over again, and when they learn from each other.

867
00:43:38,565 --> 00:43:41,645
Speaker 2: There's something really magic about that, that handoff that I

868
00:43:41,645 --> 00:43:44,645
Speaker 2: guess does mirror life, but that is something that we do.

869
00:43:45,045 --> 00:43:47,125
Speaker 3: Speaking of Magine, you got a chance to see it yesterday.

870
00:43:47,365 --> 00:43:49,525
Speaker 3: So the sequel I can only imagine too.

871
00:43:49,645 --> 00:43:53,005
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's wonderful to enter into that world again.

872
00:43:53,285 --> 00:43:56,005
Speaker 1: It's a great world you created in the first film,

873
00:43:56,165 --> 00:43:58,605
Speaker 1: but with a lot of new twists and turns and

874
00:43:58,685 --> 00:44:03,285
Speaker 1: new characters as well. And to see Bart progressing in

875
00:44:03,325 --> 00:44:05,885
Speaker 1: his life now he's had the big hit with I

876
00:44:05,925 --> 00:44:08,205
Speaker 1: can only imagine that's sort of where it left off.

877
00:44:08,805 --> 00:44:10,765
Speaker 1: And you know, even though I don't want to give

878
00:44:10,765 --> 00:44:13,565
Speaker 1: away the plot of your film, but even though he's

879
00:44:13,645 --> 00:44:16,365
Speaker 1: reconciled with his father played by Dennis Quaid that you

880
00:44:16,525 --> 00:44:19,605
Speaker 1: just mentioned, you know, he's having his own struggles as

881
00:44:19,605 --> 00:44:22,605
Speaker 1: a father with his son and that comes up beautifully

882
00:44:22,605 --> 00:44:25,725
Speaker 1: in the film. And then he introduced another character into

883
00:44:25,765 --> 00:44:30,525
Speaker 1: the story, Tim Timmins, played incredibly by my love Vintimilia,

884
00:44:31,605 --> 00:44:34,045
Speaker 1: and I loved him on this as us. I just

885
00:44:34,365 --> 00:44:38,125
Speaker 1: he was my favorite character, and he's different in this film.

886
00:44:38,645 --> 00:44:42,125
Speaker 1: It's Tim's kind of a quirky character at first, not

887
00:44:42,285 --> 00:44:44,805
Speaker 1: off putting, but it's kind of an odd ball. But

888
00:44:44,885 --> 00:44:46,685
Speaker 1: then you know, he grows on you, and then you

889
00:44:46,765 --> 00:44:51,125
Speaker 1: realize a struggle he's going through. And there's some moving scenes.

890
00:44:51,245 --> 00:44:53,645
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't choke up in movies, okay, but

891
00:44:53,725 --> 00:44:57,645
Speaker 1: I choked up multiple times. And there's one powerful scene

892
00:44:57,645 --> 00:45:01,165
Speaker 1: that I really loved, and it's there's a famous scene

893
00:45:01,165 --> 00:45:04,805
Speaker 1: and imagine where Bart is finally singing this song and

894
00:45:04,805 --> 00:45:08,445
Speaker 1: then he kind of sees in a dreamlike way, or

895
00:45:08,485 --> 00:45:12,325
Speaker 1: imagines perhaps his father Dennis Quaid standing there and a

896
00:45:12,445 --> 00:45:15,365
Speaker 1: plotting for him. But the cool thing is this version

897
00:45:15,405 --> 00:45:17,844
Speaker 1: of his father is kind of the Denis Quaid movie

898
00:45:17,885 --> 00:45:20,125
Speaker 1: star look. He looks like Dennis smiling.

899
00:45:20,285 --> 00:45:20,525
Speaker 3: Yeah.

900
00:45:20,725 --> 00:45:24,565
Speaker 1: Where the Arthur character, you know, he's dealing with cancer,

901
00:45:24,645 --> 00:45:28,845
Speaker 1: he's weather struggling, and so anyway, he sees his father

902
00:45:28,885 --> 00:45:32,685
Speaker 1: and it's a moving scene. And then imagine two. There's

903
00:45:32,685 --> 00:45:36,365
Speaker 1: this scene where Bart's son sings a song and really

904
00:45:36,485 --> 00:45:40,805
Speaker 1: is discovering his gift. And then Bart himself almost like

905
00:45:40,845 --> 00:45:43,645
Speaker 1: his dad, and the first film sees it and I

906
00:45:43,725 --> 00:45:45,245
Speaker 1: made the connection. I brought it up to you.

907
00:45:45,365 --> 00:45:46,444
Speaker 3: That was intentional fact.

908
00:45:46,725 --> 00:45:49,125
Speaker 1: Yeah, So there were a number of scenes that moved

909
00:45:49,165 --> 00:45:51,925
Speaker 1: me a lot, and I think what I love about

910
00:45:51,925 --> 00:45:55,525
Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're telling these stories honestly. Your

911
00:45:55,645 --> 00:45:59,725
Speaker 1: characters are not presented as perfect. They're flawed characters, but

912
00:45:59,885 --> 00:46:02,445
Speaker 1: you see how their faith integrates into their life and

913
00:46:02,485 --> 00:46:06,605
Speaker 1: how it changes and transforms them. And I think anybody

914
00:46:06,685 --> 00:46:12,125
Speaker 1: dealing with hardship, dealing with struggles, dealing with cancer, dealing

915
00:46:12,165 --> 00:46:16,685
Speaker 1: with loss will be really helped and encouraged by this film.

916
00:46:16,805 --> 00:46:20,445
Speaker 1: So it's right up there and its power and its

917
00:46:20,485 --> 00:46:23,845
Speaker 1: effect with your first film. But it is different. But

918
00:46:23,925 --> 00:46:27,525
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful continuation of it, and I think it's

919
00:46:27,645 --> 00:46:28,965
Speaker 1: going to be very well received.

920
00:46:29,085 --> 00:46:30,045
Speaker 3: Thanks great. It means a lot.

921
00:46:30,085 --> 00:46:32,645
Speaker 2: I went into it with a lot of fear and

922
00:46:32,685 --> 00:46:36,925
Speaker 2: trembling because going back to something you know it needed

923
00:46:36,965 --> 00:46:39,605
Speaker 2: to be, like, we need to take it somewhere new.

924
00:46:40,205 --> 00:46:42,364
Speaker 2: But when Bart told me the story, it hit home

925
00:46:42,445 --> 00:46:45,605
Speaker 2: so much because I think a lot of we've been

926
00:46:45,725 --> 00:46:48,645
Speaker 2: Disneyfied a lot of times as a society that we

927
00:46:48,765 --> 00:46:51,325
Speaker 2: expect that your life builds to a happily ever after

928
00:46:51,845 --> 00:46:55,085
Speaker 2: and then the story stops and you know in your

929
00:46:55,085 --> 00:46:57,765
Speaker 2: life is perfect. And I think that the thing that

930
00:46:57,765 --> 00:47:01,085
Speaker 2: we're longing for as humans is heaven. But that's not

931
00:47:01,165 --> 00:47:04,725
Speaker 2: this that's not this world. And so with this one,

932
00:47:05,485 --> 00:47:07,525
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that happen in Bart's life.

933
00:47:07,605 --> 00:47:11,285
Speaker 2: Is a dad that break his happily ever after? And

934
00:47:11,285 --> 00:47:14,125
Speaker 2: then it asked the question of like, where is God

935
00:47:14,165 --> 00:47:16,965
Speaker 2: after the happily ever after? What happens when it breaks?

936
00:47:17,525 --> 00:47:19,364
Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of times, at least

937
00:47:19,605 --> 00:47:23,565
Speaker 2: from what I observe, sometimes pain and suffering and struggle

938
00:47:23,925 --> 00:47:26,245
Speaker 2: is what keeps a lot of people from coming to Christ.

939
00:47:26,325 --> 00:47:27,805
Speaker 2: It also brings people to Christ, but a lot of

940
00:47:27,805 --> 00:47:29,884
Speaker 2: times it's that question of where is a good God

941
00:47:29,925 --> 00:47:33,685
Speaker 2: when they're suffering? And this character of Tim Timmans comes

942
00:47:33,685 --> 00:47:36,645
Speaker 2: into the equation and begins to kind of present some

943
00:47:37,085 --> 00:47:39,805
Speaker 2: answers to Bart in a way it's beautiful than Milo

944
00:47:39,885 --> 00:47:42,405
Speaker 2: did a great job portraying it. Yeah, and it builds

945
00:47:42,445 --> 00:47:45,205
Speaker 2: to this this song, even if it's really what story's about.

946
00:47:45,245 --> 00:47:47,325
Speaker 3: But I think, you know that's that's the goal.

947
00:47:47,685 --> 00:47:50,645
Speaker 1: Well, there's one scene where Bart is sort of feeling

948
00:47:50,725 --> 00:47:54,845
Speaker 1: sorry for himself. He's been self absorbed, and then Tim Timmins,

949
00:47:55,085 --> 00:47:58,405
Speaker 1: you know, tells him I have cancer. Some Bart's like,

950
00:47:58,405 --> 00:48:00,805
Speaker 1: whoa you know, and he's kind of been mistreating this

951
00:48:00,845 --> 00:48:03,685
Speaker 1: guy and Tim has written this song, Bart he hasn't

952
00:48:03,685 --> 00:48:06,285
Speaker 1: even taken the time to listen to the song, you know,

953
00:48:06,445 --> 00:48:09,844
Speaker 1: and he realizes, Wow, you know, look at what this

954
00:48:09,885 --> 00:48:13,125
Speaker 1: guy's going through and and kind of his optimism and

955
00:48:13,125 --> 00:48:15,485
Speaker 1: and the way he is as a person. So there's

956
00:48:15,885 --> 00:48:19,404
Speaker 1: and that's a powerful song, even if, right, even if,

957
00:48:19,445 --> 00:48:21,605
Speaker 1: even if and and you know, at the end of

958
00:48:21,645 --> 00:48:24,165
Speaker 1: the film, you really bring that song and a fact,

959
00:48:24,245 --> 00:48:27,085
Speaker 1: I mean that shot you did at Red Rocks, what

960
00:48:27,165 --> 00:48:29,445
Speaker 1: an awesome venue, and you shot it the way he

961
00:48:29,485 --> 00:48:31,765
Speaker 1: shot it was incredible. Made me want to go visit

962
00:48:31,845 --> 00:48:32,325
Speaker 1: that place.

963
00:48:32,405 --> 00:48:34,005
Speaker 3: But it's it's a special place.

964
00:48:34,085 --> 00:48:37,245
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is people are going to love this film.

965
00:48:37,565 --> 00:48:40,645
Speaker 1: You better just be prepared to maybe choke up a

966
00:48:40,645 --> 00:48:43,405
Speaker 1: little bit, so it's like you've been given fair warning,

967
00:48:43,445 --> 00:48:48,645
Speaker 1: but also to have tears of joy and be really

968
00:48:48,765 --> 00:48:52,845
Speaker 1: uplifted by this film. This film will uplift people, and

969
00:48:52,845 --> 00:48:57,485
Speaker 1: and it will uplift people, especially if they're struggling with children,

970
00:48:58,125 --> 00:49:02,444
Speaker 1: or with sickness or with loss. It will it will

971
00:49:02,605 --> 00:49:06,285
Speaker 1: give them a wonderful perspective and be an inspiring thing

972
00:49:06,325 --> 00:49:07,884
Speaker 1: to watch. And you know, you go to so many

973
00:49:07,885 --> 00:49:10,485
Speaker 1: films they just leave you cold. I think people are

974
00:49:10,565 --> 00:49:13,725
Speaker 1: kind of sick of all the special effects and you

975
00:49:13,765 --> 00:49:18,685
Speaker 1: know in card chases and crashes and explosions and superheroes.

976
00:49:18,725 --> 00:49:22,325
Speaker 1: I mean, they want to hear and see a powerful story, right,

977
00:49:22,645 --> 00:49:25,925
Speaker 1: and it is the power. This story is a powerful one.

978
00:49:26,005 --> 00:49:28,085
Speaker 1: So I highly recommend that.

979
00:49:28,205 --> 00:49:28,884
Speaker 3: Means a lot. Man.

980
00:49:29,085 --> 00:49:32,325
Speaker 2: I think the goal is to tell your story that

981
00:49:32,445 --> 00:49:36,285
Speaker 2: allows you to tell more stories. Yes, And the exciting

982
00:49:36,325 --> 00:49:38,565
Speaker 2: thing is is we're going to be telling more stories together.

983
00:49:38,805 --> 00:49:41,085
Speaker 2: So you guys stay tuned. You know, we like to

984
00:49:41,165 --> 00:49:43,485
Speaker 2: end on a lighter note. And so you know, I

985
00:49:43,565 --> 00:49:46,445
Speaker 2: know that you're a movie buff. You know, we talk

986
00:49:46,565 --> 00:49:48,685
Speaker 2: movies all the time. One of my favorite stories with you,

987
00:49:49,085 --> 00:49:50,445
Speaker 2: it was early on when we were just getting to

988
00:49:50,445 --> 00:49:53,924
Speaker 2: know each other. I went with you and my brother

989
00:49:53,965 --> 00:49:55,485
Speaker 2: one night to go watch a movie late at night

990
00:49:55,525 --> 00:49:57,605
Speaker 2: and we went to the theater with only the three

991
00:49:57,645 --> 00:49:59,605
Speaker 2: of us were in the theater I believe one or

992
00:49:59,645 --> 00:50:02,125
Speaker 2: two other people, and we walked in. There's this giant

993
00:50:02,205 --> 00:50:05,805
Speaker 2: mural of all the icons from movie hits cinema street

994
00:50:06,245 --> 00:50:10,525
Speaker 2: on this wall. And I pride myself on being pretty

995
00:50:10,645 --> 00:50:13,364
Speaker 2: pretty good on movie history, but you pointed the wall.

996
00:50:13,405 --> 00:50:16,165
Speaker 2: You're like, You're like name all those people. And so

997
00:50:16,485 --> 00:50:18,884
Speaker 2: there's probably fifty of them up. Yes, so I name

998
00:50:18,925 --> 00:50:20,325
Speaker 2: them all. I point to them all, and I get

999
00:50:20,325 --> 00:50:22,445
Speaker 2: to the end, and I'm like, I'm doing pretty good.

1000
00:50:22,485 --> 00:50:23,525
Speaker 2: I get to the end and I pointed the last

1001
00:50:23,565 --> 00:50:25,685
Speaker 2: guys like Errol Flynn, and You're like this, tyrun Power.

1002
00:50:25,685 --> 00:50:29,445
Speaker 3: I knew it, you didn't, ah, And so I've resented

1003
00:50:29,485 --> 00:50:30,205
Speaker 3: that ever since.

1004
00:50:30,285 --> 00:50:33,605
Speaker 2: But for you, I know that you like you know.

1005
00:50:33,925 --> 00:50:36,365
Speaker 2: I know that you like mafia kind of mobster kind

1006
00:50:36,365 --> 00:50:40,005
Speaker 2: of movies. Like you're a James Cagney type guy, you know.

1007
00:50:40,285 --> 00:50:43,365
Speaker 2: And and so if we were to name you know,

1008
00:50:43,445 --> 00:50:47,765
Speaker 2: your top Greg Glory's top five Desert Island films, oh boy,

1009
00:50:48,085 --> 00:50:50,285
Speaker 2: that you would say that these are the films that

1010
00:50:50,405 --> 00:50:51,285
Speaker 2: are my favorites.

1011
00:50:51,965 --> 00:50:56,725
Speaker 1: Oh so hard well, because the list changes. But I

1012
00:50:56,765 --> 00:51:00,205
Speaker 1: get I identify a movie as a top film if

1013
00:51:00,245 --> 00:51:02,685
Speaker 1: I'm flipping the channels on a TV and it comes on,

1014
00:51:02,885 --> 00:51:04,965
Speaker 1: I stay and watch it, even though I've seen it

1015
00:51:05,005 --> 00:51:07,645
Speaker 1: many times. Okay, Okay, so this is kind of my

1016
00:51:07,765 --> 00:51:11,245
Speaker 1: if he maybe list at the moment. I love the

1017
00:51:11,245 --> 00:51:12,165
Speaker 1: film Tombstone.

1018
00:51:12,325 --> 00:51:13,765
Speaker 3: Tombstone is a great film.

1019
00:51:13,765 --> 00:51:17,325
Speaker 1: I just love everything about it. I love the quote

1020
00:51:17,365 --> 00:51:20,285
Speaker 1: I'm your huncle Berry. Yes, why Johnna Ringo, you look

1021
00:51:20,365 --> 00:51:23,005
Speaker 1: like someone just walked over your grave. You know, just

1022
00:51:23,085 --> 00:51:30,005
Speaker 1: so just brilliant. Everybody was brilliant. I forgot you were there. Yeah,

1023
00:51:30,325 --> 00:51:32,765
Speaker 1: it's just a great film. I love that film. I

1024
00:51:32,805 --> 00:51:37,165
Speaker 1: would probably put probably Pastorshu and picked Us. I love

1025
00:51:37,245 --> 00:51:40,925
Speaker 1: The Godfather. It's really not about crime. It's about a

1026
00:51:40,965 --> 00:51:43,085
Speaker 1: Family's got a family, you know, but but it is.

1027
00:51:43,605 --> 00:51:45,245
Speaker 1: It's just a perfect film.

1028
00:51:45,365 --> 00:51:45,725
Speaker 3: It is.

1029
00:51:45,765 --> 00:51:48,885
Speaker 1: And I do love Braveheart. I love Brave Heart. I

1030
00:51:48,925 --> 00:51:53,045
Speaker 1: love everything about that film. I'd have to probably admit

1031
00:51:53,085 --> 00:51:55,844
Speaker 1: i'd throw sound of music in there, maybe just for a.

1032
00:51:55,765 --> 00:51:57,404
Speaker 3: Little like the Top three.

1033
00:51:57,645 --> 00:52:01,645
Speaker 1: Earn you that one? So yes, yes, yes, you know.

1034
00:52:01,925 --> 00:52:04,685
Speaker 1: One I just watched recently. I thought, I love this

1035
00:52:04,725 --> 00:52:06,525
Speaker 1: film is Chariots of Fire.

1036
00:52:06,645 --> 00:52:10,205
Speaker 2: Charoits of Fire my my desire, Like Charots of Fire

1037
00:52:10,765 --> 00:52:14,285
Speaker 2: was the last time a story of faith won an Oscar. Yeah,

1038
00:52:14,325 --> 00:52:15,885
Speaker 2: and you know, it was kind of the end of

1039
00:52:15,925 --> 00:52:18,445
Speaker 2: an era because, like you know, stories of faith always

1040
00:52:18,485 --> 00:52:20,364
Speaker 2: were in the mix for things like that would have been

1041
00:52:20,365 --> 00:52:22,725
Speaker 2: her and all those type of things. Charots Fire was

1042
00:52:22,765 --> 00:52:26,805
Speaker 2: the last one. And there's something so beautiful about that story.

1043
00:52:26,885 --> 00:52:29,525
Speaker 2: I love the line that he said, when he's considering

1044
00:52:29,565 --> 00:52:31,805
Speaker 2: whether you should be a missionary or run, and he said,

1045
00:52:31,885 --> 00:52:33,765
Speaker 2: you know, I also know that God made me fast

1046
00:52:33,765 --> 00:52:35,805
Speaker 2: and when I run, I feel his pleasure on my back.

1047
00:52:35,925 --> 00:52:38,845
Speaker 3: Like that's like, that's a beautiful story.

1048
00:52:39,765 --> 00:52:42,445
Speaker 2: There's two men between him and Ben Cross was so

1049
00:52:42,525 --> 00:52:43,525
Speaker 2: great as.

1050
00:52:43,485 --> 00:52:46,165
Speaker 1: Everyone was grating in that film, and and it was

1051
00:52:46,445 --> 00:52:50,605
Speaker 1: a just fantastic film. And also I liked Glade Eat

1052
00:52:50,805 --> 00:52:54,365
Speaker 1: the first one two was good, but Gladiator one was

1053
00:52:54,445 --> 00:52:57,125
Speaker 1: just a brilliant film. So there's more I could add

1054
00:52:57,165 --> 00:52:59,125
Speaker 1: to the list. So Mel Gibson's and made my list

1055
00:52:59,125 --> 00:53:01,485
Speaker 1: a few times. Loved The Patriot. My list is getting

1056
00:53:01,525 --> 00:53:05,245
Speaker 1: longer now. But a second and if I had to

1057
00:53:05,285 --> 00:53:08,045
Speaker 1: pick an animated film, I'd probably throw Pinocchio in there.

1058
00:53:08,165 --> 00:53:11,205
Speaker 2: We just talked about that before real cameras, like Pinocchio

1059
00:53:11,325 --> 00:53:11,884
Speaker 2: holds up.

1060
00:53:11,925 --> 00:53:15,045
Speaker 3: That is a beautiful, beautiful film. Yeah. I watched it

1061
00:53:15,045 --> 00:53:16,645
Speaker 3: with my kids the other day. We sat down watched it.

1062
00:53:16,725 --> 00:53:20,325
Speaker 1: Is my favorite Christian film is Jesus Revelish. Oh yeah,

1063
00:53:20,765 --> 00:53:23,884
Speaker 1: but I'm not biased at all. I'm not biased at all.

1064
00:53:23,965 --> 00:53:24,805
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it.

1065
00:53:24,885 --> 00:53:25,964
Speaker 1: Yeah, So those are a few.

1066
00:53:26,445 --> 00:53:26,725
Speaker 3: Well.

1067
00:53:27,125 --> 00:53:29,405
Speaker 2: Greg has been treatd to just sit down and kind

1068
00:53:29,405 --> 00:53:34,565
Speaker 2: of have a conversation. You know, we absolutely love much

1069
00:53:34,565 --> 00:53:36,485
Speaker 2: more than the partnership with you. We'd love you as

1070
00:53:36,485 --> 00:53:39,285
Speaker 2: a friend and as a mentor. And I will say

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Speaker 2: that behind the scenes, you've always not just engaged with

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Speaker 2: us and seen the value of the art. You've helped

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Speaker 2: hold our feet to the fire and making sure we

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Speaker 2: don't compromise on truth. And so it's a partnership and

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Speaker 2: a friendship that we deeply value here at Kingdom and

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Speaker 2: it's a just privileged to have you on the Storytellers

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Speaker 2: my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 3: Thanks man