1 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night. Welcome 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 1: to the Aaron Mullins Show. It is so great to 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: have your company as always, thank you so much for 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: joining us. Look, it's been a really big two or 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: three months when it comes to this emergence of the 6 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: woke right, in other words, people who have completely lost 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: their way, where their due hatred has overtaken every element 8 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: of their life, every element, as much as they like 9 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: to deny it. Likes of Tucker Carlson, the likes of 10 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: Candice Owens, Megan Kelly started out fairly staunch and not just. 11 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that you have to agree with everything 12 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: the Israeli government does, or you have to worship at 13 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: the altar of Israel. That's not what it is. It's 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: when your hatred becomes to the extent that it impacts 15 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: your ability to just report rationally on things, where you 16 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: start to act in ways, and you allow people to 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: act in ways, are you not calling them out? That 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: is dangerous. That threatens people's lives. When you create this 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: environment of anti Semitism and people roll their eyes of 20 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 1: that word, well, you can't look at what happened in 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: Bondi in Sydney a couple of weeks ago. All of 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: this stuff leads to violence, so it is imperative that 23 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: we call it out now. Rather than just sit here 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: and tell you how ridiculous I think they are, and 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: how dangerous they are, and how weak and cowardly I 26 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: think they are. I've got someone on who is actually 27 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: studying this to write a book on this exact topic. 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: Her name is CARIESE. Ree. She is phenomenal and she 29 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: actually has the evidence. So please enjoy this real look 30 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: into how these people went from here to here. Kris Raya, 31 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: thank you so very much for Jonnius here on the 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: Aaron Mollin Schow. 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. I'm such a 34 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: fan of yours, so it's great to be here right 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 2: back at you. 36 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: And I got to hear you speak in person. I 37 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: think it was in New York, and I had to 38 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,679 Speaker 1: get you on the show. And what I'm essentially going 39 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: to do is hand over to you to give us 40 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: some kind of insight into not only this rise of 41 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: the woke right that has, you know, dominate a lot 42 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: of talk online looking at the Tucker Carsons and candas Owens, 43 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,960 Speaker 1: the Gropers, all of that, but other elements to it 44 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: that are often overlooked. And you're writing a book on 45 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: this right now, So we have a lot of people 46 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: who come in and give their take. You actually have 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 1: been ensconced in this for a long time, I would 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 1: I mean, I would say you know it better than anyone, 49 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 1: because it's actually all that you do at the moment. 50 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: Can you tell us how we got here, what the 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: solution to getting the hell out of here is, and 52 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: how long these people can can potentially command the kind 53 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: of influence that they seem to. 54 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 2: Well, to try to keep it as brief possible, there 55 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: are a number of factors that got us to this 56 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: current moment. It's not like this is being orchestrated by 57 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: one singular individual or one specific group, or even one 58 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: foreign entity. There is a whole confluence of activity or 59 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: ideas that have been circulating over the last few years 60 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 2: I would argue as far back as twenty fifteen that 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 2: have allowed us to arrive at this moment. So you 62 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 2: have the pandemic, that's one thing that really kind of 63 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: set the stage for a lot of the conspiratorialism that 64 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 2: we're seeing emerge. You also have a reaction just to 65 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 2: the left, especially by young males, as many people have 66 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: talked about, such as Dana Losch or yourself or Constantine 67 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: Kissin right, you have a whole population of adolescents who 68 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: have been told that they're toxic just for being white 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 2: and males, and they've been told that they're racist and 70 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: fascist and white supremacists, and a lot of them are 71 00:03:58,560 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: now proudly. 72 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 3: Embracing those titles in a very. 73 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: Angry and reactionary way where they're essentially saying, okay, fine, 74 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 2: you want me to be racist, I'll be racist. So 75 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: there is that whole component to it. But then there's 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: also other things going on, such as an intellectual right 77 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: wing elite that has essentially provided much of the foundation 78 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: and the undercurrent for many of these anti Semitic and 79 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 2: anti American movements that we're seeing now, such as the 80 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: groupers or the Christian Nationalists for lack of a better term, 81 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: and even some of the paleo conservatives and the libertarians 82 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: that are really embracing this nihilistic, extreme vision for America. 83 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 2: And many people don't talk about the philosophical component. 84 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 3: I certainly didn't know much. 85 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: About it, and I think that's because a lot of 86 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: these intellectual or philosophers. When you read some of their ideas, 87 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 2: they don't actually sound that bad, and they might not 88 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 2: be as extreme as the rhetoric that the gropers say 89 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: are pushing, but there is a clear line. It's kind 90 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: of like they open the door or it's like a 91 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 2: gateway drug for a lot of what we're seeing to emerge. 92 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: And these philosophers it palatable. It's not so extreme that 93 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: you go, oh, gosh, I wouldn't touch that with a 94 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: temptle poll It's okay, a little bit on the edge, 95 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: but oh, there's an element of legitimacy to it or 96 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: it makes it, you know, and that's more dangerous sometimes. 97 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, I mean I think it was. 98 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: Barry Weiss write wrote a fabulous article years ago where 99 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,599 Speaker 2: she was talking about how educated anti Semites are so 100 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 2: much more dangerous than the uneducated ones because they're able 101 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 2: to couch their language. But when I'm talking about this, 102 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 2: these intellectual elites, I'm referring to people such as Patrick 103 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: Denin or Adrian Vermule. Also intellectuals such as Curtis Jarvin 104 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 2: if you could really call him that, or Nick Land, 105 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: and then some of these older scholars that have been 106 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: resurrected like Meerscheimer or even older Karl Schmidt, which was 107 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 2: a premier Nazi political scientist, if you will. And so 108 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 2: there's about ten of these intellectual foundations that are all circulating, circulating, 109 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: and they keep popping up. Oh another big one is 110 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: Alexander Dugan, known as Putin's Brain, and his ideas are 111 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 2: just regurgitated almost verbatim by people like Steve Bannon and 112 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: Tucker Carlson, and they're actually not shy about it, even 113 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: though this guy is so clearly anti American and so 114 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: clearly wishes to reduce any sort of dominance or American 115 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: exceptionalism in the global arena. 116 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: So those are a few factors. 117 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 2: There's others that we could get into, but I think 118 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 2: those are three main ones in terms of how we 119 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: get out of the oh Man. 120 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 3: I think that you have to fight it on all fronts. 121 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,040 Speaker 1: So it's sail, though, Isn't it? Tell me this? Because 122 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: I often wonder as I'm scrolling through X and I'm 123 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: seeing it all, and I wonder if I went to 124 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: the shops and asked ten people, you know, who were 125 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: lining up behind me to pay for groceries, if they'd 126 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: heard of these people, or if they'd read anything or 127 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: seen anything they'd done, if they cared, if they're like, 128 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: would they all say no, Like, how do we determine 129 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: what is real and what we need to fight versus 130 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: what's just taking up space? It is chaotic and doesn't 131 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: deserve attention. 132 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 3: The million dollar question is how big of a problem 133 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: is this? Is it just online? 134 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: As they say, I think that's a little bit of 135 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: a false dichotomy, because especially if we are talking about 136 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: how it's affecting the youth or even just twenty something 137 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: year olds, their life is online. That is where they 138 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: get their ideas from. 139 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:56,239 Speaker 1: So true. 140 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't think there's as much of a 141 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: distinction as people would like to point out. That being said, 142 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: all we really have in terms of how big this 143 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 2: is on the ground is anecdotal evidence. And I can 144 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 2: tell you that I've interviewed almost one hundred people now 145 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 2: for my book, Christians, non non Jewish, just individuals that 146 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: are part of either church going or conservative communities, and 147 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 2: they are telling me that they're seeing this, that they 148 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 2: are seeing this from their peers. And even I was 149 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: at an event the other day and Ted Cruz was 150 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: speaking and He said he has seen more anti Semitism 151 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: coming from Christians in this last year than he's seen 152 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 2: in his whole life. And he was speaking to a 153 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 2: room full of Christian Zionists and he said to them, now, 154 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: you all might feel very comfortable in your churches, and 155 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: you might think, oh, this is not affecting me. My 156 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 2: pastor is very supportive of Israel, supportive of America, supportive. 157 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 3: Of the West. 158 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: But if you talk to the younger people in your churches, 159 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 2: you're going to see some of this stuff coming out 160 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 2: of them. Like I told you before we started talking, 161 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: it's not just anti Semitism. 162 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 3: These people are pushing. 163 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: Pro China, pro Russia, pro Venezuela, and pro Iranian narratives. 164 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: They are denying that these people enemies. 165 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: Well that because often people will say, oh, well, you know, 166 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: if it's antisemitic, that's still not something I like, but 167 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: it doesn't impact me. So if I go in my 168 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: merry way, right, well that's not the case. 169 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, it's not at all. 170 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,440 Speaker 2: And as we've seen from history, as soon as anti 171 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: Semitism takes hold, everything else just begins to rot and disintegrate. 172 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 2: And I think another thing to think about when you're 173 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 2: trying to determine how big of a problem this is, 174 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: is you don't really need a big critical mass in 175 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: order for the needle to be moved. For example, everyone 176 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 2: knows it only takes ten percent of a population to 177 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: start a revolution, Well, how much does it take? 178 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 3: How much? 179 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: What percentage of the population does it take to change 180 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: a party? I would I would take a gander that 181 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: it's less than five percent. So if you have, you know, 182 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: less than five percent, but still something nearer that of 183 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 2: the Republican Party that is now pushing a very different 184 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 2: vision of America, then I would argue what Trump has 185 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 2: been fighting for since his first term, then that could 186 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: have a real impact because politics is downstream for culture. 187 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: So if they impact the culture a significant amount, it's 188 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: only a matter of time before there's state sanctioned policy. 189 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we look at young people in particular, and 190 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: you're right. And I used to fight for this when 191 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: I was fighting for these Online Safety Act in Australia, 192 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: the social media laws to try and keep kids safe online. 193 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: And I would say to you know, archaic parent types, Well, 194 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: there's no longer a difference between life online and offline. 195 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: It's just you move seamlessly between the two, in fact, 196 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: probably more so online than anything else. How do we 197 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: reverse the rot or do we have to just ride 198 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: off an entire generation that you're you're Even in Australia 199 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: kindergarten kids are told we're racist, we're colonizers, we came here, 200 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: we're awful people. We must say sorry everywhere we go, 201 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: we must acknowledge this is not our land. You know, 202 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: all of these things just chip away at your sense 203 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: of self and the way in which you view your country. 204 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: And we need kids in this country to love Australia 205 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: to the point they're willing to fight for it. Why 206 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: would any child in my country now, when I see 207 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: the rotten, the decay, stand up and say I'm going 208 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: to fight to save Australia when we have been telling 209 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: them for a decade, for two decades that Australia is racist, awful, 210 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: it sucks that we're bad people. 211 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 2: No wonder it's such a challenge, especially because we know 212 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 2: that the Left is playing into those tropes of wanting 213 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: to hate your country because they believe it is imprealistic 214 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 2: or simple. But as we're increasingly increasingly saying, as we're 215 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 2: increasingly seeing excuse me young people who are ostensibly conservative 216 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: or America first, and they're putting forth the same talking 217 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: points of America being imperialistic, responsible for all of the 218 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 2: problems that we're seeing around the world, and putting forth 219 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 2: these utopian, kind of pacifistic ideas that if we just 220 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 2: hermetically seal ourselves off in a giant dome in twenty 221 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: twenty five, that somehow all of our problems will go away. 222 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 3: It's so unrealistic. 223 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 2: I mean, it's a very convenient answer to the society's problems, 224 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: but unfortunately, the world just doesn't work that way. And 225 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 2: I think that's one of the reasons why it's so attractive, 226 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: is because when you have young people that are so 227 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 2: economically shortchanged, so full of shame just for being male 228 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 2: or white, and not able to assert their manlyhood, obsessed 229 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 2: with screens, so not even getting the proper oxytocin that 230 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 2: they need from real interactions with human beings. They're looking 231 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: for somebody to blame for their rage and their depression. 232 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 2: And when you have a generation that's brought up in 233 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: despair and not taught to embrace personal responsibility, like Charlie 234 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 2: Kirk would have said to them, then they're going to 235 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: look for a convenience scapegoat, and that scapegoat more often 236 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: than not ends up being the Jews. 237 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 3: So how do we fight this? 238 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's really a bigger problem in 239 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 2: terms of our society's obsession with screens and just the 240 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 2: horrible influence that has. And I would encourage everybody to 241 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: read This is quite off topic, but I would encourage 242 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: everybody to read Claire Morrel's book, and you should have 243 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: her on your show. She wrote a book called The 244 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 2: Tech Exit, and she actually elucidated how there are communities 245 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 2: all over the world and these are not like hermetic, 246 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 2: amish like communities. They're regular, integrated people like you and 247 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: I who have committed to a lifestyle away from screens, 248 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: particularly with their children. And she shows you that it's 249 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: much much easier than you would imagine that it would be. 250 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:12,920 Speaker 3: I mean, people are so turned off. 251 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 2: By this idea because they're like, oh, I could just 252 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: never do that. But if you read you know, but 253 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: if you read her book, you actually see these incredible 254 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 2: innovative solutions that you would have never thought about. So, 255 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, I think that speaks to that kind of 256 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: rot of our young people. Speaks to a much bigger 257 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 2: problem than just politics. 258 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: I think you're right, absolutely. Who are they turning to? Then? 259 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 1: So is it like forints, like surely Tuck at Colson's 260 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I'm not saying I'm a spring chicken, 261 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: but if you're a tained, do you really look at 262 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: Tucker and go, yeah, he's my man? I mean Candice 263 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: as well, like she really still. I remember a girl 264 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: at an exercise place, not a gym, but where they 265 00:14:57,320 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: put like machines on you and give you like abs, 266 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: which don't work, by the way, I tried that, but 267 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 1: the young girl was saying something to me, is she 268 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: was putting on this machine you know about how amazing 269 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: Candace owns is. And she would have been a twenty 270 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: one year old it's about six months ago, and she 271 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: was just talking with such excitement. Yeah, she just calls 272 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 1: out all the lies. Yeah, all the lies that we've 273 00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: been taught. You know, who poses the greatest threat out 274 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: of all of these types the types that we've heard. 275 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: Of, Right, it's a great question. I think it depends 276 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 2: on the sphere of influence. So Candace is actually very 277 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 2: very attractive to young girls and also single moms. 278 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: She does a. 279 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 2: Lot of content that relates to like pop culture, and 280 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 2: I think people are very attractive to that because she 281 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: does it in this very edgy sort of way, and 282 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: then they end up getting sucked into all of her 283 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: conspiratorial politics. So I think people who write her off 284 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 2: just because the political class has sort of disowned her, 285 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: I think they're making an error and doing so because 286 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: if you like, like anecdotally, if you just talk to 287 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: people like like you were doing, there's a lot of 288 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: people who are attracted to her for her cultural hot takes. 289 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: And so it's the same thing where you kind of 290 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 1: lure people in with stuff that you know is kind 291 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: of neither here nor they're not too controversial. It's pop culture. 292 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 1: It's here's my take. Yeah, I'm clever, I'm funny, I 293 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: can you know exactly, And then once they're in there 294 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: and they're engaged and they trust you, then it's filtered. 295 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 1: Just you feed them little bits of the other stuff 296 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: that is just that. Normally, if you just heard cold 297 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,440 Speaker 1: turkey from a stranger, you'd be like what, But I 298 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: think so. 299 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: I think so she did a whole thing about Blake Lively. 300 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: I know Housewives were really into that thing. And when 301 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: I talk to men, they'll say, yeah, my wife is 302 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: really into Candice, and I don't know. I mean, Tucker 303 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 2: is a different story, right, because he appeal appeals to 304 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: people that are more i would say, politically aware, but 305 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: you know, I mean people are attracted to them because 306 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 2: they are capitalizing on your own emotions and they are 307 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 2: weaponizing the rage and the anger and the confusion and 308 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: the bitterness that you feel. And they're instead of teaching 309 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: you not to play into your worst instincts and actually 310 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,199 Speaker 2: to be reflective and to channel what you are feeling 311 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 2: in a very positive way. People at Candice and Tucker 312 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: are actually validating all of those feelings and essentially saying 313 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 2: to channel it into some sort of revolutionary activity, just 314 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 2: like the left does a sort of tear it all 315 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: down mentality. And this is so damaging for a functioning, 316 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: flourishing society. 317 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: It's such a good point because I mean, I'm less 318 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 1: so now that I'm older, but you know, when you're younger, 319 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: anyone that's trying to hold you to account, you avoid, 320 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: like the plague, right exhausting. I would sometimes say to 321 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:05,439 Speaker 1: my partner, you know, I would say, oh gosh, like 322 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: this person just cut me off in a car, like 323 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: what an asshole? And he'd be like, well, to be honest, 324 00:18:10,240 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 1: you were actually driving a little bit of radically and 325 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: to be honest, you probably And I'd be like, can 326 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: you just say yes, he's an asshole and move on? 327 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: Like I just I don't you know. That's kind of 328 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: the equivalent of what they do. 329 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: They have those instincts within us. 330 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and whatever you're feeling, they actually just they 331 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 1: they may they reassure you that it's not your fault, 332 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: that it's something bigger at play that's evil. It's generally 333 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: the Jews, depending on who you're talking. 334 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,400 Speaker 3: About, and you're the victim, your victim, and. 335 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: Then even and you can apply it to anything in 336 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: your life. When they say they're like cannice, they're lying 337 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: to you. They you know what they are, That speeding 338 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: ticket was not legitimate. They're life. You know, you can 339 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: actually use the basis of what they're trying to do. 340 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: And like, what a what a decay in society if 341 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: we all some no personal responsibility and this blame. 342 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 2: Culture absolutely as you say, any I think you touch 343 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: use the word accountable, and there's no personal accountability in 344 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: the world of Candice and Tucker. 345 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 3: Yes, and there's so when. 346 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: She chases receipts coming this will drop it this time. 347 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, just got off the phone. I've got evidence, 348 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: we never see it, and then we never have a guys, 349 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: I stuffed up. Yeah, like there's no accountability there. No. 350 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 2: I think that's a really good point, and I think 351 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: that points to just how overloaded and inundated we are 352 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 2: in the information space that there's no recall anymore. I 353 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: don't think our brains have been developed to be able 354 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 2: to process the amount of information via the Internet that 355 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: we take in every single day. So when we're seeing 356 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 2: content from dozens and dozens of influencers just for scrolling, 357 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: just from scrolling five minutes on X, how are we 358 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: going to remember all of that stuff? And so a 359 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,719 Speaker 2: lot of these influencers can get away with things because 360 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 2: they're not going to be. 361 00:19:56,840 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 3: Held to account for their words. There's no there's nobody going. 362 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: To, hey, what about this, because we've had ten thousand 363 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 1: other things exactly until Wow, this is I mean it, 364 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: it feels enormous, the enormity of this issue. When does 365 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: your book come out and does that kind of the 366 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: final chapter solve the problem. 367 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be amazing if I could publish a book 368 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: and just come just it would just be like my 369 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 2: magic wand it would be my magic book, and we 370 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 2: could and we could get back to how excited everybody 371 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 2: was when Trump had just won the election. Yeah, for 372 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 2: his second term. But I don't know exactly when it 373 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: will come out. I know it will be sometime in 374 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six because I'm missing the deadline for the 375 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 2: first manuscript, so it's taking a while. I'm doing a 376 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: lot of other things, a lot of other projects, but 377 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: all having to do with this kind of stuff. So 378 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 2: I'm trying to move the needle the best I can, 379 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: and hopefully the book will just provide more exposure in 380 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: terms of what's going on behind the scenes. I'm really 381 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: talking to maga conservatives and the pulitical class, because I 382 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 2: believe that they not so much have their head in 383 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: the sands, but I just think that they're largely unaware 384 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: of what's happening in the details of it and who's 385 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: and who's contributing to it. 386 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: So hopefully it. 387 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: Will move the needle in among those people, because I'm 388 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 2: not some never Trumper or some Bulwark Republican like I 389 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: really believe in MAGA principles, though I know those can 390 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 2: be hard to pin down sometimes since Trump is so transactional. 391 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: But I want us to be reminded of those and 392 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 2: I want us to be asserting our red lines so 393 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: we don't allow people to hijack them for their nefarious 394 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 2: purposes of taking power and building America and their own 395 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: authoritarian image. 396 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 3: Brilliant. 397 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: You are so brilliant. You see this like no one else, 398 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: and I've covered this topic on so many occasions, but 399 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: the context and the clarity and the insights you provide 400 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: our world class. So thank you so much. We kind 401 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: of white Field, Bullcay and come yeah soon. 402 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: Wonderful. Thanks so much for having me. 403 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: I cannot wait to read that book. Thank you so 404 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: much for watching, for listening. Please share, please comment, please rate, 405 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 1: whatever it is you do. We're so grateful for you, 406 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: and we'll see you tomorrow.