1 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Life Audio. 2 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: You're listening to every Day Prayers with Million Praying Moms, 3 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: where we pray God's word for your families in the 4 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: areas you need it most. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Nicolette Bell. Here. We believe prayer isn't 6 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:25,600 Speaker 1: a last resort. 7 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: It's our first and best response in parenting, a partnership 8 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: for the hearts of our children that God invites us into. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 2: I am so glad that you have joined us today 10 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 2: with my friend Tara Cole here on the podcast with 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 2: us to talk about a really exciting topic that I 12 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: think we all have lots of questions about and I'm 13 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 2: excited to jump in today. We're going to be talking 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: about AI at the beginning of the school year as 15 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: we're jumping back into the school year. 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Tarah is a mom and an educator. Tara, Welcome to 17 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: the show. 18 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. 19 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Nicolette, I'm so glad that you're here. Tara is also 20 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 2: a beloved author and contributor to the Million Praying Mom's family, 21 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: and you have read and listened to many of her devotions. 22 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:10,320 Speaker 1: Over the years. 23 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: She's the author of Everyday Prayers for the School Year, 24 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 2: which is one of our favorite favorite resources for moms. 25 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 2: We pull it out every August to pray through the 26 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 2: scriptures for our kids as they are going back to school. 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: It's a fantastic tool. We get wonderful reviews from all 28 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: of you of how much you love to use that resource. Tara, 29 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: tell us real quick before we jump into our conversation. 30 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 2: You use the same book every year and you write 31 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: notes about your kids in the margin. I remember you 32 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: telling me that how'd you get started in that? 33 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: And how do you do that each year? 34 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 3: Well, when we first came out with the first edition, 35 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 3: I started, so it's interesting to look back over my prayers. 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: But actually I was just looking through my book this year. 37 00:01:57,000 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 3: It's like I might have to start a new book 38 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: out of room, like three or four years worth of 39 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 3: notes in here. And since I'm an author, I write 40 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 3: a lot, so I'm running owlspace. But yes, I have 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: been using the same book since it first came out, 42 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 3: and then even before that. I still have the card 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 3: tuck to my book that even started all these prayers, 44 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 3: because it was some prayers I prayed for my sons, 45 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: specifically over friendship and him in the school year when 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 3: he was in elementary school and now he's going into 47 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: eleventh grade, So that card's tucked in the book to 48 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 3: kind of remind me where these prayers all started and everything. So, yeah, 49 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 3: this year, I might actually have to start a new one. 50 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: You might have to get a new copy. 51 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 2: I love that, you know, That's the beautiful thing about scripture. 52 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: Each year we can come back to that with our 53 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: children in a different season, with us in a different season, 54 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 2: and God's word is fresh and new for where we 55 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: find ourselves in that spot. This content is so evergreen. 56 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 2: The material in your book is so evergreen and the 57 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 2: devotional and so we're encouraging everybody to read along with us. 58 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: This month, we're going. 59 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 2: Through every day prayers for the school year together here 60 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: at Million Praying Moms, and we're praying through the fruits 61 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 2: of the Spirit for our kids. And on Friday, Tara 62 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: and I are going to be having some conversations about 63 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 2: some things that you may be facing as a mom 64 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 2: as you're going into this new school year. And we 65 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: just want to kick this conversation off by talking about AI. 66 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: Tara, why are you the one that I'm talking to 67 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: about this? 68 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: What experience do you have that has kind of thrown 69 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: you into this topic in helping people understand it well. 70 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: I am an educator at the college level, and so 71 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 3: especially in the last two years, I've been seeing it 72 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 3: pop up a lot in my student's work. I'm a 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: writing teacher, so I get a lot of AI where 74 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: students either are trying it out because they're not sure 75 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 3: how to use it correctly, or they see it as 76 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 3: an easy way out, and then sometimes quite honestly, it is, 77 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: and so coming more and more my job to train 78 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: them how to use it well and help them to 79 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 3: be AI literate. And I've been through so many trainings 80 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,560 Speaker 3: in the last year over AI usage and AI in 81 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 3: schools with educators, and I've even prisoned in on it 82 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 3: at a couple of education conferences earlier this year. So 83 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,720 Speaker 3: it is coming into almost every part of my life. 84 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 3: I even started a newsletter in January COBBYAI Awareness Hub 85 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: dot for parents, so you can find it there at 86 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: AI awareness hub dot com. But it's I entitled it 87 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 3: what Parents Need to Know Yesterday because as I would 88 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 3: start to learn about AI last fall and everything like that, 89 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: especially taking lots of courses, I realized that parents have 90 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 3: a lot of bad information or scary information when it 91 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 3: comes to a c and so I kind of from 92 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: an educator's point of view where I have access to 93 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 3: a lot of solid information to pass it on down 94 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: to my readers because I've been writing for moms for 95 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: almost twenty years now, So I just pass it on 96 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 3: to my readers what I was learning. 97 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so great, and we specifically don't want to 98 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: talk about today in the Christian household contexts. What do 99 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: we do as mama's trying to help our children grow 100 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 2: and follow Jesus and how to navigate this with them? So, 101 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: like you said, I think a lot of the information 102 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: that we have is misinformation or fear driven information, and 103 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 2: we know as Jesus followers, we're not to live in fear. 104 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,599 Speaker 1: That's not His will for us. 105 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 2: So I think we could just begin our conversation by 106 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 2: really understanding AI. 107 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: What exactly is AI? 108 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 2: Some of you have been put turning out images on Chat, 109 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 2: GPT of your kids, are you and your kids? 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 1: Or your work? 111 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 2: You know those caricatures that came out and everybody was 112 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 2: posting those caricatures, So some of you that's your reference 113 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:57,320 Speaker 2: of AI. I was giggling before this with Tiara because 114 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: I was using AI to help help me formulate some 115 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 2: of the questions that I'm going to ask in this 116 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 2: interview today, and so I also use it for grammarly 117 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 2: is one of my favorite tools as a writer. It's 118 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: a great tool to use when it's used correctly, So 119 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: that's we can have a wide understanding of AI. So 120 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 2: let's kind of begin with what exactly is AI and 121 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: how are students already using AI? 122 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll do the high level version because there's lots 123 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:28,839 Speaker 3: of weeds when it comes to what it is. But 124 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: they're actually caused large language models because all ais, whatever 125 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: which one they are, they are trained off of a 126 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 3: lot of data and information. The simple way to say 127 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: it is they ate the Internet, and so in eating 128 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 3: the Internet, a lot of crap comes out because they 129 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: don't differentiate between good and bad information. They only can 130 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 3: do what they are fed. They can only spit out 131 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 3: what they are fed. Some of them are starting to 132 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: kind of get more creative and create. You can see 133 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 3: it with the new images and stuff. It can pull 134 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 3: a lot of the for information. When it's language, it's 135 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: just simply trying to guess the next word that would 136 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 3: make the most sense from the data it's been fed. 137 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 3: When it's responding back to you. So when it's searching, 138 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 3: it's not sentient. Even though it says, wow, that was 139 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: a great idea, and it sounds like it's your friend, 140 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: it is not conscious in anyway. It's simply guessing the 141 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,239 Speaker 3: next word and the next idea it thinks you want 142 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: based on the information that's been fed. And so that's 143 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: why it can hallucinate sometimes, which is where it basically lies. 144 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 3: It gives you bad information, and so you want to 145 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 3: double check everything you get from it. Even when I'm 146 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: using it to find Bible versus quickly for the current 147 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: book I'm writing, because it's a lot easier to find 148 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 3: Bible stories and Bible verses what say Gemini, which is 149 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: Google's version of it, because I can put in as 150 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: vague as a statement as I want, and it will 151 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: search the Internet, search its data, and come back with 152 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 3: the book chapter verse of what I'm looking for. Where 153 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: if I ask Google or a the you version, I 154 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: have to get my wording almost exactly right for those 155 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 3: resources to find it. And so I find that's a 156 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: good way to use it when you're researching. But I 157 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 3: double check every single verse against my physical Bible or 158 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 3: a Bible app on the web to make sure it's 159 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 3: not hallucinating and giving me bad information. And they can 160 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: also be really biased in its information because it can 161 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 3: only give you back what it's fed, especially when it 162 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: comes to minorities, it can be very biased. And I 163 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 3: really didn't understand this well until I was in a 164 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 3: com It wasn't a conference, it was just a conversation 165 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 3: our school was having, And since we are located here 166 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: in Oklahoma, we do a lot of work with the 167 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 3: Five Civilized Tribes. One of those is Creek Nation, which 168 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: is very close to our school. And so someone who 169 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: works with the Creek Nation said she constantly had to 170 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: remind Ai of who she was and what they were about, 171 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 3: because it is really biased towards bo an arrow feather 172 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 3: wearing Indians. And so I had not realized that it 173 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: went that far as to being biased in that way, 174 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 3: because that's the cartoons, that's the caricatures it's finding in 175 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: its data, And so she had to explain to whatever 176 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: AA she was using that that was not who they were. 177 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: She had to kind of identify and teach it who 178 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 3: they were before she could even really use it in 179 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,480 Speaker 3: some ways because it was so biased. So those are 180 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,239 Speaker 3: really important to know is it's just eighth the information. 181 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: It doesn't differentiate between good, bad or ugly. 182 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: That's so good, that's so good, such good information for 183 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 2: us to have in our in our understanding, and so 184 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 2: as AI becomes more widely available. 185 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: What changes have you seen in the classroom? 186 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 3: In my students, I see them practicing or experimenting with 187 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: a lot, especially since I teach five different writing classes 188 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 3: well six now Tech one, two and three, Creative writing, 189 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 3: and Composition one and two. Then depending on the class, 190 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: I see various experimenting. Sometimes I see them feeding their 191 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 3: entire assignment to it, and I have to tell them, no, 192 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: that's not the way we use it. Other times you're 193 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: just using it for ideas. Grammarly that you mentioned is 194 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: an excellent use of it, and quite honestly, I expect 195 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 3: it at the college level for them to be using it. 196 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: It's just an expectation that they should be using Grammarly 197 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: or something like it, and it really is the best. 198 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: And I tell them, don't pay for it. I even 199 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 3: use a free version and I'm on my third or 200 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 3: fourth book, so don't buy father paying for it. But 201 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: that's one way I've seen it use. Other ways are 202 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 3: that students don't know that if you are using the 203 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 3: free version, you have zero privacy. Everything you're feeding the AI, 204 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: the pictures of your children, you're any information you're giving 205 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 3: it is information it can use to train the machine. 206 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 3: So that's how it starts getting smarter and develop being better. 207 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 3: And how it reacts to you better is it learns 208 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 3: about you. And so if you're not using a paid version, 209 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 3: then you're just beating the machine all of this data 210 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: about you and your family. So just keep that in mind. 211 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: I currently don't have a paid version because I'm not 212 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 3: giving a lot of personal information either or personal information 213 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 3: I care about one way or another. If I was 214 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 3: going to start giving it more personal information, like I've 215 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 3: had family members ask a finance questions and it really 216 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: came up with a lot of good information, But that 217 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: family member was using the paid version, and so his 218 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: information was safe. And you just need to keep things 219 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 3: like that in mind that when you're using it and 220 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: be aware of where it is. I didn't even realize 221 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 3: it was in the Group Me app that my kids 222 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: used to connect with their teams at school and the 223 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 3: youth group of church. I had no idea that co 224 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 3: Pilot was in that app until probably about nine months 225 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,280 Speaker 3: to a year ago, and I was like, and we're 226 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 3: turning that off, so just be aware. It's in a 227 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: lot of places that you may not even realize. 228 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so interesting. 229 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 2: There was something the other day I can't remember off 230 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: the top of my head that it had not previously 231 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: been in and was in and I went, WHOA, you 232 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 2: know that is interesting. 233 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know that was there and it was in 234 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 1: relation to my daughter. So okay. 235 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 2: So we got AI being used in the classroom, being 236 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 2: used well also being misused, and we've got good information 237 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: and bad information, And what are some risk that you 238 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 2: see associated for students that are engaging in using AI. 239 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 3: Some of the risks I see are things like the 240 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: hallucinations that I mentioned earlier, is they don't realize that 241 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 3: they're being fed bad information, or sometimes when it cites 242 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: a source, it's citing even a bad link. The link 243 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 3: it's giving you as fake, so they don't realize it's 244 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 3: not hallucinating because it sounds very confident and like it's 245 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 3: an authority, but it isn't. You need to double check everything. Also, 246 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 3: the bias is another thing that I've mentioned. Some other 247 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 3: things that they're having problems with. And I see this 248 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: and hear this from the workplace as well, Like where 249 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 3: our students go after they graduate, is that to use AI, well, 250 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 3: you really need to be an expert on the thing 251 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 3: you're using it for. So, for example, I'm an a 252 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 3: writing teacher. I teach them, especially in technical writing, how 253 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: to write technical documents. So up and for the last 254 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 3: twenty years I've taught them how to write technical documents. Well, 255 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 3: AI can do that for them pretty darn well. But 256 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 3: it doesn't do it exactly right. But since they're not experts, 257 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 3: they can't identify where it's not doing it exactly right. 258 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: They just hand in the assignment and I, looking at 259 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: it as an expert, I can tell this formatting is incorrect. 260 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 3: You don't have enough details. This could be any business, 261 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 3: from a bank to a air conditioning business to a 262 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 3: plumbing business. There's not enough information here to differentiate. And 263 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: so I hear from a lot of employers that their 264 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 3: new level employees are using it for their jobs. But 265 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: since they're not an expert, they can't identify when a 266 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: line of code is missing that an expert would be like, oh, 267 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 3: that's missing, I need to add that in or when 268 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: it does something incorrectly. So it's really important that our 269 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 3: students get those foundational skills and become experts and what 270 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 3: they're doing before they start using it to help them 271 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 3: speed up the process. 272 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: That's a great way of kind of distinguishing that using 273 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 2: it for speed but not for knowledge. And one thing 274 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 2: I really want to talk about is the difference between 275 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 2: knowledge and wisdom, because I think that AI kind of 276 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 2: really brings that to a head for us as christ followers. 277 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: So let's talk about what do you think the difference 278 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: is between knowledge and wisdom and how does AI kind 279 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 2: of sit in one camp or the other. Well. 280 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: AI has a lot of knowledge, like it honestly ate 281 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 3: the internet, a lot of the systems ate all the 282 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 3: information it could possibly consume from the Internet, from books, 283 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 3: from whatever information its creators fed it. So it has 284 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: a lot of knowledge. It has knowledge from hundreds of 285 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: thousands of years depending on the data. 286 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: It was fed. 287 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: But with wisdom it does not have that. There are 288 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: some that try to be more discerning than others. Claude 289 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: is one you'll hear a lot of people using because 290 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 3: they are more ethical than most. They have strong favorite 291 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: perships coronguer boundary than a lot of them, And so 292 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 3: I know a lot of people and educators who use 293 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: Claude as one of their favorite ones because of that reason. 294 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: It has not wisdom necessarily, but it leans more that direction. 295 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: The others have really little wisdom or discern them at all. 296 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 3: Like I said, they're just trying to guess the next 297 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: best word for whatever you're trying to learn. And so 298 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 3: using it as a research tool can be really helpful 299 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 3: because it can return you a lot of information quickly, 300 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 3: and you can be really vague with your ideas if 301 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 3: you're not quite sure what you're looking for, but you 302 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 3: need to verify all the information that gives you and 303 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: use wisdom and your critical thinking skills to connect that 304 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: information to what your teacher needs or what you need. 305 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 3: Because I even use it for recipes a few months ago, 306 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: it totally left out salt and pepper, which are obvious 307 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 3: ingredients anybody that had a basic knowledge of cooking would 308 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 3: know you needed in the recipe, but it totally. 309 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: Left them out. 310 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: And because it was just guessing at best recipes, it 311 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: wasn't even returning me recipes from a chef. It was 312 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: just guessing at what might be a good recipe, and 313 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: so it was missing critical information. And since I had wisdom, 314 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 3: I could think about that's really not working, then I 315 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: could fix the problem. But again, if I wasn't an 316 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 3: expert or had a basic knowledge of that, I couldn't 317 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 3: have fixed that problem. I wouldn't even have known it 318 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: was there. 319 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: I want to ask a little bit, going a little 320 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: bit further into that. 321 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: I know you mentioned to me, and I was kind 322 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: of just just been thinking about it since we last talked, 323 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 2: because I didn't really realize this, and I think sometimes 324 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: I can live in a bubble and my kids are little. 325 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 2: You've got a kids that are in middle school in 326 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: high school, so you're kind of facing this a little 327 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,639 Speaker 2: bit more than I am at this point. But you 328 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: were talking about how people were identifying having relationships with 329 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 2: their AI. So let's talk about that, how our kids 330 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: are viewing AI, and how to help them have a 331 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 2: correct view of how we use it. 332 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: I think that's a large risk associated with usage. That 333 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: is a huge risk. 334 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: There was a Harvard study that came out I think 335 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: last year sometime, and it was breaking down what I 336 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 3: would say, eighteen to twenty five year olds around that 337 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: age group use AI four and a surprising amount were 338 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: personal relationships, looking for advice that you'd normally look for 339 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 3: from friends, and ten percent of that population was using 340 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: it for romantic relationships, which just made me sick to 341 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: my stomach. And the reason being is that it sounds 342 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 3: good like it's when you type in a suggestion or 343 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,639 Speaker 3: an idea or prompt, it always tells you that's the 344 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 3: best idea it ever heard. And so whenever you're in 345 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 3: relationship with it or talking to it, then you're getting 346 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 3: all this positive feedback, which we want, We love positive feedback, 347 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 3: and you don't have any of the conflict you might 348 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: have in a face to face relationship. There's none of 349 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: the awkwardness that you might have in a face to 350 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 3: face relationship, especially since COVID and a lot of us 351 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: were isolated. A lot of our kids grew up isolated 352 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: for about anywhere from six to twenty four months, depending 353 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 3: on where you lived. And then a lot of our 354 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 3: kids were isolated to begin with due to video games 355 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 3: and social media and things like that. The book The 356 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 3: Anxious Generation talks a lot about that. Then these kids 357 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: are primed for easy relationships, and quite frankly, AI is easy. 358 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 3: It makes relationships easy. It makes friendships easy because you 359 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 3: have no pushback, you don't have to get out of 360 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 3: your chair. You can open your heart to it, and 361 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 3: we'll ever say, well, how have you thought about it's 362 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 3: getting better since they're quite frankly, we have read the 363 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: news last fall and last year where there were even 364 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 3: suicides because of information that children had received from AI. 365 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 3: They are getting somewhat better at that. For instance, when 366 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: I was working on the Springship book this morning, I 367 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 3: asked it something about bullying. I was looking up versus 368 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 3: trying to find some that deal with bullying. It started 369 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 3: to give me the information and immediately shut it down 370 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 3: and said, I'm sorry, I can't. I'm having problems right now. 371 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 3: I can't talk to you about that. And so it's 372 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 3: getting some safeguards in there. I was using Gemini at 373 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: the time. I don't know about others if they have safeguards, 374 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,360 Speaker 3: so it's hitting some of those. But your children can 375 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: still develop a relationship with AI really easy. And even 376 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 3: though it's your own conversation about it. For instance, I'll 377 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 3: say I talked to her when referring to Gemini or 378 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: Alexa or one of them, it's so easy to personify 379 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 3: them and start to see them as a friend instead 380 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 3: of as a tool, which is what they really are. 381 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 3: They are a tool to use, not a companion, not 382 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 3: a friend, definitely not a significant other. 383 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 2: And this is so good, Tara. We can we could 384 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: just keep going and going, and we are. We're going 385 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: to come back and we're going to talk more next 386 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 2: week as we're continuing to unpack how do we help 387 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 2: our kids navigate a AI as they are starting the 388 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: new school year. But this has been such a great 389 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 2: intro to our conversation, and I would I wonder if 390 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: you would do the privilege of praying for our listeners 391 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 2: as they kind of begin to think about these things 392 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,880 Speaker 2: with us and how they can take these things into 393 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: their parenting. 394 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:12,959 Speaker 3: Sure, I'd be happy to. Let's pray. God, thank you 395 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 3: so much for all the tools you've given us. Thank 396 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 3: you for the tools that are now available to reach 397 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 3: the world for you in bigger and better ways. We 398 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 3: just ask that you will give our families and our 399 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: children discernment with these tools, that you will give us 400 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 3: wisdom as we use them and allow them into our 401 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 3: homes and see them in our school spaces and even 402 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: in our workplaces. I just ask that you will not 403 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 3: give us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of 404 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 3: wisdom and self discipline, and that you will just give 405 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 3: us spaces to ask those questions where we can get 406 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: good and safe information. Thank you so much for this conversation. 407 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 3: I just asked that you will be with every parent 408 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 3: who is with us today and help them as they 409 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 3: continue to think about these things and these issues as 410 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: they approach the new school year, and Jusus name Amen. 411 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 2: As part of our Fruit of the Spirit prayers and 412 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 2: everyday prayers for the school Year book Club, Tarah Cole 413 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 2: and I created a free car Conversations guide for your 414 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 2: family to use this fall. The car is sometimes the 415 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 2: best place for our most precious conversations with our kids 416 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: as we are praying through the Fruit of the Spirit. 417 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: Our hope is that you can have meaningful conversations with 418 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: your kids about what living out these fruit looks like 419 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 2: in their daily lives. 420 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,400 Speaker 1: Tara and I created a series of quick questions. 421 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,640 Speaker 2: She wrote some for the older kids, I wrote some 422 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: for younger kids, and we share a prayer that you 423 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: can share with your children about each of the Fruit 424 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 2: of the Spirit. Download your copy for free on our 425 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: website or the link in our show notes. Until next time, friends, 426 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: the Lord bless you. 427 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: And keep you. Make his face shine upon you, and 428 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: be gracious to you. The Lord look with favor on you, 429 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 1: and give you peace.