1 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever looked at what's going on in the 2 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: UK and thought, oh, my lord, may it not come 3 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: to our shores. Well, I think a hell of a 4 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: lot of us in the West are much closer than 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: we think. Peter mackilvenna, well, he has followed this so closely. 6 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: He's from the UK, but he's an expert on America, 7 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: on the Middle East, on Australia, on radical Islam and 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: its impact and how it just sometimes just creeps in 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: and then whoa, it's too late, and other times it's 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 1: like a sledgehammer. It's one of my favorite conversations I've 11 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: had and I think you will really enjoy it. It 12 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: may also terrify you. 13 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 2: Here it is. 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: Peter mcelvenner, thank you so much for joining us here 15 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: on the Aaron Mullin Show. A big fan of your 16 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: work and it's great to have you here, particularly at 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: a time when your leader is being exposed for the 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: coward that he is. Shameful kissed Sama, what an absolute 19 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: flog And that's putting up politely well eron. 20 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll come on to you to talk about happy news. 21 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 3: It's great to be with you, and it is sad 22 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 3: to talk about the international embarrassment. That is care Stormer, 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 3: and I understand he talked to President Trump, possibly today, 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: I'm sure, with the tail between his legs, apologizing that 25 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 3: we didn't offer die Garcia immediately that we actually didn't 26 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 3: offer aircraft carriers as much as they're worth. We've got 27 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: two aircraft carriers. I don't know what they're worth. It 28 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 3: is a huge embarrassment. Look, whenever, supposedly with an attack 29 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 3: on Cyprus, which is originally was a British territory, and 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 3: you've got that strong link, we had to rely on 31 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 3: the Greeks to send aircraft and the Spanish to send ships, 32 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: so it is the British Empire. It is not an embarrassment. 33 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: And God knows how that conversation went with President Trump. 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: I'm sure one day we'll read about it. 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I look forward to that day. But I mean, 36 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: I thought it was bad enough when he came out 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: straight after and almost in a moment of national pride, 38 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: made sure everyone knew we played no role. No, no, 39 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: that's not a good thing. It's a terrorist regime that 40 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 1: has the blood of your people on its hands as 41 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:28,119 Speaker 1: well as everyone else's. 42 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 2: This is not a moment of pride, but then it 43 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 2: just got worse and worse and worse. And is this 44 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: really due to the. 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: Islamic Like, is that the issue the fact that there 46 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: are so many inpower there that are influencing him that 47 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: we're looking at Islamic extremism. I know it's taken over 48 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: the UK, but is that why or is he just 49 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: weaken believes this stuff himself. 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: So a lot of possible answers to that. And we 51 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: were talking before about all British comedies and is like 52 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: watching an episode of Yeah, Prime Minister. It really is 53 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:05,959 Speaker 3: the incompetence, the literally incompetence in our price, so you've 54 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: got other incompetence and care Stormer. He's a vanilla politician 55 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: and he seems to take whatever is projected on him. 56 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: He doesn't have any great speaking skills, he doesn't have 57 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 3: a vision for the country, and you're wondering why on 58 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: earth is he there. I mean, Tony Blair, for all 59 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: the bad things about him, he had some kind of 60 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 3: charisma and was able to lead. You've got a couple 61 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: of those, so there's something weird. And actually I was 62 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 3: walking through Parliament the other two three days four days 63 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 3: ago and they had the IF tour event which was 64 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 3: breaking the fast in Islam during the Rabbitan period, and 65 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 3: that was in the Great Hall, the entrance to Parliament 66 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: in London, and I was walking through the getting the 67 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: stage ready, and I understand the later care Stormer spoke 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: at that and was, as you refer to, talking about 69 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: how great it was to Britain didn't get involved. It 70 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: does seem to be the Muslim bloc vote. Because we 71 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 3: had a by election a week ago even less and 72 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 3: the Green Party, the hard left, far left, extreme pro 73 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 3: Palestine hit Israel et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. They 74 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: won that election by a landslide. They turned over a 75 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: huge majority from Labor and that was shocked because people thought, well, 76 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: Nigel frag is going to win with the Reform Party 77 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 3: income the Greens on the back of basic supporting Palestine, 78 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 3: and that was on a thirty percent Muslim block vote there. 79 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 3: So we've seen this as playing more and more. The 80 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: last general election eighteen months ago, twenty months ago, however 81 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 3: long it was, seems a lifetime ago, and we had 82 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: twenty four members of Parliament actually got voted in who 83 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 3: were Muslim members of Parliament. That's more than any other 84 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: country in and this seems to be a key issue 85 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: with a Muslim bloc vote. We've got Islamization and Islamophobia 86 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 3: legislation actually coming through being proposed by this government, and 87 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 3: they're arresting street preachers, Christian street preachers, but actually giving 88 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: any pro the Iran regime or pro hamas they can 89 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: come out demonstrate weekly in London and they're given a 90 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,159 Speaker 3: free pass. So it is something that's really really screwed 91 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: up in that, and it seems to be coming from 92 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 3: our government that is either afraid of Islam or in 93 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: bed with Islam. It's one or the other. 94 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: I grew up in Indonesia, in the world's largest Islamic nation, 95 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: and I speak the language fluently. I go back there 96 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: often I look at particularly under the last president. 97 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: But I guess Proboro would carry this on with Dodo. 98 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: One of the promises that he got elected on was 99 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: to eradicate Islamic extremism. And the irony in this is 100 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: so insane in that Muslim countries will not tolerate this 101 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: bs because they understand it hurts Muslims more than anyone else. 102 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: But in the West we're like, oh God forbid, we 103 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 1: should we should not allow terrorism to flourish, or this 104 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: extremist ideology to have a front row at everything we 105 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: do because that would be Islamophobic, Whereas in Muslim nations. 106 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 2: They're like, oh, hell no, not on our watch. 107 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: And you know, they've all but eradicated it in Indonesia domestically, 108 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: and they're not perfect, but because they clamp down so 109 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: hardened it they got. They double pronged really hard punishments 110 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 1: for people who were Islamic extremists and committed acts of 111 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: terrorism and the ideology in young people. They've done a 112 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: whole heap of programs. They shout it from the roofs, 113 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: Whereas in Western nations, we can't even condemn the Bondai 114 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: massacre as being Islamic extremism because it might offend Muslims. 115 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,120 Speaker 1: If I'm a Muslim person, I'm going this terrorism is 116 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: hurting us so much, not just physically, but our reputation globally. 117 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 2: I don't stand for it. Get rid of it. That 118 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: benefits me. It's insane. 119 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 3: Well, I think you put your finger. I think possibly 120 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: some of these countries have exported the more extreme form 121 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: of Islam to the West because what we see in 122 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: across Europe and in the UK, and sadly, I think 123 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 3: increasingly in the US is a more militant form of 124 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 3: Islam that wants to dominate through the halal food industry, 125 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 3: through Sharia finance, through Sharia course, we vially fry Sharia 126 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 3: courts happening here with women getting half a quarter off 127 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: the rights and as horrendous the destruction that does to 128 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 3: women with if there's a divorce, a woman has no 129 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 3: rights to the child, has no inherence. You've got all 130 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 3: those issues that in Islamic countries there is a conversation 131 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: about that. Here we seem to just automatically accept that. 132 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: And I don't know whether it's maybe Indonesia have exported 133 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: the worst actually to the UK because but we look 134 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: at the opinion polls off Muslims in Europe and the 135 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: UK and you look at twenty to twenty five percent 136 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 3: actually would want to jail homosexuals for life, if not 137 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: kill them. We'd want to bring in full Sharia law 138 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 3: and have a whole list of demands. 139 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: And maybe we're much tolerance to that, Peter, how I mean, 140 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm so tolerant of that person wanting to kill homosexuals 141 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: or put them in jail or destroy my way of life. 142 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: That's tolerance, that's empathy. We're so sweet, look at us, 143 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: I know. 144 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 3: And but again it goes down to identity. I think 145 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: it goes down to we in the West are losing 146 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 3: our identity, that we don't know what we stand for. 147 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: Certainly in the UK, we don't know what British means anymore. 148 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 3: Doesn't mean fish and chips or waving to the royal family. Well, 149 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: that's also got its issues of the moment. 150 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: But what. 151 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 3: But what does it mean whenever our kids are being 152 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: taught in schools about the evils of the British Empire 153 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: and colonizes. 154 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: You're racist, you're biggest, You're you're awful. 155 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: You should you know, you've got to You've got to 156 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: appease and make amends for all your horrible behavior. I 157 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: don't blame kids for disliking it's the same. In Australia 158 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: we do the exact same thing. We teach them from 159 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: age four in preschool that we're awful people and we've 160 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:34,839 Speaker 1: done awful things. 161 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:37,679 Speaker 3: Well, you seem to be competing with us in the 162 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: UK for who can hit their country the most, and 163 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 3: I don't know who's winning at the moment. 164 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: Canada's drive up there. Canada's Canada doesn't even have a gun. 165 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: It's military has gone, I mean, at least compared to them. 166 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: You guys can still feel semi okay about where you're at, 167 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 1: but it's it's so sad these once great empires have 168 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: just fallen. 169 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,719 Speaker 3: It is But I think it all really goes down to, 170 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 3: certainly in the UK, the rule of the church, who 171 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: we have a state church and yet that has utterly capitulated, 172 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 3: doesn't know what it teaches. And you've got Islam coming in, 173 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 3: been dominant, forceful, aggressive, seemingly confident, and then you've got 174 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 3: the Church of England making a dogma of doubt and 175 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 3: not knowing what it believes, and that kind of takes 176 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 3: away from the fabric of back from what Henry the 177 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 3: eighth Whenever we've had the state Church, suddenly that is 178 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 3: ripped out of the center of England, of Britain, of 179 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 3: the United Kingdom, and we no longer know what it 180 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: is that makes us who we are, and into that 181 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 3: void goes Islam, which is confident. That's I think what 182 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 3: we're having a battle of ideologies, of confidence and of 183 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 3: boldness and understanding what our history means and. 184 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: Whether your intentions are good or bad if you can't 185 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: define them, or if you don't know what it is 186 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: you aspire to a what it is you're fighting for 187 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: or what I mean, is something worth saving? If you 188 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: can't even define it or you don't even know what 189 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: it is or what makes it great, why would you 190 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: fight to save it? And from a negative perspective, if 191 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: you want to destroy and your hell bent on that, 192 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: then you're going to have a lot more of a 193 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 1: chance of achieving it because you desire it, you want it, 194 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 1: you believe in it. We've got to believe in the 195 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,239 Speaker 1: good stuff as much as they believe in in destroying 196 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:27,559 Speaker 1: the good stuff. 197 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: We've got to believe in wanting to preserve it. And 198 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: at the moment we don't. 199 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,240 Speaker 3: I agree, And that's why the Conservative part in the 200 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 3: UK have utterly collapsed, because they have been the architects 201 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: of the destruction of the UK for fourteen fifteen years. 202 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: And that's why the Reform Party in Nigel Farage is 203 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: doing so well because they have a different vision. I 204 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: don't think it's strong enough, but there is a different 205 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 3: vision for the UK, one that traditionally goes back to 206 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: our history or heritage or culture under value system and 207 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 3: that's why he is doing well. That's why Rupert Low 208 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 3: for am out of nowhere is really doing so well 209 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: with the Restored Party. So there are those bright spots. 210 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 3: But again across Europe, I think every European country except 211 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 3: the UK up until recently have had a populist rise, 212 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: of political populist rise, going back to history, heritage culture, 213 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 3: going back to this debate of Islam and the class 214 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 3: between our freedoms in the West and what's good. And 215 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 3: most European countries are doing fantastically well with a political 216 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: party that stands up for the nation states and is 217 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: bringing in voters. We kind of haven't had that in 218 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 3: the UK until the Reform Party and now they're a 219 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: little bit, let's sen a little bit wobbly because they 220 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: see the root to victory and number ten Nigel being 221 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: Prime Minister and they get a bit week. So that's 222 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 3: kind of delving into the weeds in the UK and 223 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 3: the confusion and chaos because we've always had a two 224 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 3: party system, has always been liberal, conservative, left or right, 225 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 3: and suddenly it's not left, more left and even more left. 226 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: Where do you fit? And we don't know and Nigel's 227 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 3: trying to go to the center to try and get 228 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,559 Speaker 3: those votes, where if you're at the center of the 229 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: rud I think the analogy, all that happens is you 230 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 3: get run over. That's literally. 231 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: Exactly get hit twice. You look at it's not that 232 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: far fetched. 233 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,959 Speaker 1: And I've had guests on who have studied what's happened 234 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: in Iran, you know, for Finilli fifty years now, and 235 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: make the comparison. They didn't see what was coming back then, 236 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: and there are very stark similarities with what is going 237 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: on in the UK and in other places. And you go, 238 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: you might think, oh God, that would never happen to us. 239 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: How many more people do you want to put in 240 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: positions of power who don't believe in what you do? 241 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,559 Speaker 2: And then you wake up and go, we've actually completely 242 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 2: lost control? 243 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 3: And what do you do? Then I agree, and we 244 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 3: you started we started this talking about Keir Starmer and 245 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: the defense side and the military, and we've seen the 246 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 3: UK's military decimated. I think we have the smallest standing 247 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 3: army for two hundred years now. And you read about 248 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: whatever Keir Starmers says, We're sending a ship. Oh no, 249 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 3: it's getting ready Oh no, the shipyard only works nine 250 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 3: to five. 251 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 2: Donald. 252 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: We would have said one earlier, but we were polishing 253 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: the pole. We were just polishing, We promised what like 254 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: And how embarrassing for Trump to, hey, mate, thanks so much, 255 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: but we don't need it when. 256 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: We've already won. Like I mean, we live in extraordinary times. 257 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: And again, if there weren't so many lives at sake, 258 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: it would just and you know, it's funny anyway, You've 259 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: got to laugh otherwise what's the point. But it's insane 260 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: talk to me about Mayor mum Danny. I mean, America's going. 261 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: Donald Trump is you know, is a leader for these times. Absolutely, 262 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: But you've got pockets in there. You look at me, 263 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: So do you look at New York Mayor mum Danny's 264 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 1: wife liking posts that were supportive of October seven. And 265 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 1: he comes out and his first you know, refute to 266 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: that retort was I love her with all my heart. 267 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 2: Mate. 268 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: Nobody asked, nobody cares? Do you love what she supports? 269 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: And the answer we clearly know is yes. But for 270 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: him not to even condemn that, to say she's not 271 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: a public figure. Sorry, she is a public figure. She 272 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: is your wife and you're the mayor of New York City. 273 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: It's I can't. I've got to stop saying insane. 274 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 1: I'm going to spend an hour after this interview finishes 275 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: googling other words that I can use instead. 276 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: But for the moment, it's insane. 277 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: It really is. And the only the only silver lining 278 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 3: in the clarid is mum Daney was not born in 279 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 3: the US and that precludes him from the highest officer. 280 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 3: That is the only silver lining. And you look at it. 281 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: To stop talking him up so much. That annoys me. 282 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: He says that, you know, Erdawan is a great bloke too, 283 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: So I mean, come on, but but I. 284 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 3: Mean New York is is a great city, is an 285 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: iconic city. I was there, what it two years ago 286 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: with my family and we had a great family trip, 287 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: and I wanted to make sure they went there before 288 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: it really really went on into the gut there. But 289 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: it is an iconic place. But then you look on 290 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: the West coast, you look at what Hapley, California, and 291 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 3: I wish I had been able to go there in 292 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 3: the in the days of Ronald Reagan, whenever he was 293 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 3: there as governor. It would have been amazing just to 294 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 3: see it and yeah. 295 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: You're not saying that. You know, Transtad's newsome to keep 296 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 2: you and your family's day. 297 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: Do you know La? 298 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 2: So? 299 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 3: I remember back in twenty twenty two, I did like 300 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 3: nine cities and in two weeks, and La was the 301 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: one place I went to that I thought I will 302 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: never go back. I sadly have gone back, but it's 303 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 3: like I've been back for I think eighteen hours in 304 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 3: and noise in January, but literally because you see the 305 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 3: drug problem, you see the crime problem, and it's like 306 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 3: the only place I thought I do not feel safe. 307 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: This is an awful place. And to see that happen. 308 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 3: So and Mandanny's going to do that to New York. 309 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 3: He's going to turbo charge that. But then the issue 310 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 3: of just the final thing this show on Islam is 311 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 3: that you have Islam really growing in New York. You've 312 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 3: got California. But then the third one is Texas, and 313 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 3: none of us would have ever believed that would have happened. 314 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: But that's happened under ten years, It's happened under thirty 315 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 3: five years of Republican governors, and Islam has crept in 316 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 3: it is now by twenty thirty, it's Texas going to 317 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 3: have more mosques than California, and you wonder what is 318 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: happening Houston. Houston and Dallas are the fastest growing centers 319 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 3: of halal food. They're going to twenty and twenty two 320 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: percent a year. And then the push for Sharia financing, 321 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 3: and you think, sure, this is Texas, this came of Ham. 322 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 3: But that makes us realize the guy who's. 323 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: Got a win, sorry to interrupt, just recently that says 324 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: God is non binary. And I mean, I don't know 325 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: what Texas is anymore. 326 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,920 Speaker 3: It's it's online. We can never assume that things will 327 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: always be. And you mentioned the British out Barnet with Iran, 328 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,200 Speaker 3: and it just because your history is good, it doesn't 329 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: mean your future will be. And you have to fight 330 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 3: for that freedom continuously. And I think possibly in Texas 331 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 3: and in other parts of US, that people have just 332 00:18:30,160 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 3: sat back on their laurels and expected that freedom to 333 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: continue because they've had that freedom. Oh what you think 334 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,800 Speaker 3: that care? You think that every walk organization is not 335 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 3: working to destroy No, of course they are. They're not 336 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: sitting back and just doing nothing. They're getting up every day, deciding, learning, 337 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: training to destroy America. 338 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,920 Speaker 1: And that's the Key, and we're not getting up every 339 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: day and deciding it. And we need to every day 340 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: to fight to save not only America but Australia, UK, 341 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: the West. 342 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 2: We don't have anywhere near the same passion. 343 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: To protect what we have, maybe because it's decaying so 344 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: quickly as they do to destroy it. 345 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 2: And that is a significant issue. 346 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: Oh it is we get up on voting day and 347 00:19:15,160 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: think we've done our part by ticking a box or 348 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: maybe been a pool watcher. It's years and years and 349 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: years in planning and it slips away. I've seen it 350 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 3: slip away. Where I am here in London. London is stand. 351 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 3: Whenever I came to London from Ireland twenty three years ago, 352 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 3: it was very different. It was much more in English City. 353 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 3: Now I talked to people and they're talked to one 354 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: friend and he lives in East London and he is 355 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: one of two percent of white English people living in 356 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 3: that constituency. And I think, is that London is that England? 357 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 3: Is it a global city? Has removed itself from the 358 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 3: roots of Britishness, of Englishness? 359 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. 360 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 3: So all of that is really really confusion. Where we're 361 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 3: going reform with the only ones to actually pitch something different. 362 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: Looking ahead, I mean, looking at the Middle East right now, 363 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: how do you see it playing out? 364 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 2: And what impact do you say there is? 365 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 1: And I am hopeful of and fairly confident, given how 366 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: well the first just over a week has gone of 367 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: the US Israeli war on on the Islamic regime in Iran, 368 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 1: if they win, which we hope they do, and this 369 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: regime falls, and I know it's a lot more complex 370 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: than I'm putting it, but eventually we see the people 371 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: of Iran retake their country and the Middle East has 372 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:41,360 Speaker 1: a chance at peace with this head of the snake gone. 373 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 1: And Qatar we can talk about another time. Who are 374 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,760 Speaker 1: suddenly shocked that the Hamas leaders haven't condemned the terrorist 375 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: attacks on them and are really annoyed about it, which 376 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: is just I mean, I can't believe it. 377 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 2: Who would have thought? But what does that then do 378 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 2: to those that are extreme in Western nations? Does it 379 00:20:58,560 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 2: hurt them? 380 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 1: Does it help them in that those who believe in 381 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: that more of them come into the West, Like what 382 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: kind of impact does it have or does it does 383 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: it halt the Muslim brotherhood efforts in the West to 384 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 1: take over what do you think plays out? And what 385 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 1: impact would would a peaceful Middle East have on the West. 386 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: And it's you know problem with Islam. 387 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 3: Well, I saw a name too, sky News and the 388 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 3: UK had an interview with the leader of Katar just 389 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: before I jumped on with you, literally, so I was 390 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 3: watching a clip from it, and yeah, they were scratching 391 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: their heads saying, why are around attacking us? Why? And 392 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: this is dog eats dog grew up realized, but it is. 393 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: I don't think you should attack civilians, you know, in war. 394 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: Yet they harbored those who murdered over twelve hundred of 395 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: them providers safe haven again ridiculous. 396 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 3: But yeah, and I am I am fascinated with the 397 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 3: relationship between the US and Israel. I mean, when you 398 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: look at forty eight, when you look at sixty seven, 399 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: seventy three, there are some busy they're miracles because Israel 400 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: should not survive and Israel with all the enemies around it, 401 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 3: and then America is supporting Israel when more or less 402 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 3: no Britain should know better, having originally put the Balfour 403 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: Decloration together and giving Israel's freedom. Now is no friend 404 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: off Israel or don't worry Israel will send you a 405 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 3: plan maybe in two weeks or something, just before you're decimated. 406 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 2: Did you a certificate we'll send you at all? 407 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: Like on it? 408 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 2: I can't. 409 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: I asked the Israeli Foreign Minister a couple of days ago, 410 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, do you guys trust the UK? 411 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 2: He just looked at me, deadpan and he said, I 412 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: trust the idea. 413 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, that's as good of you know fit 414 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,240 Speaker 1: for the UK to not now have an ally in Israel, 415 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: given the intelligence and it's just what suicide? 416 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: But yeah, he's got go on. 417 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense because even if you don't 418 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 3: look at this from a biblical point of view, look 419 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 3: out from a geopolitical point of view, and you want 420 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 3: a strong Israel, you want a nation that has all 421 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 3: the freedoms that Israel has in the middle of the 422 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 3: cauldron of Islam. It's good to be there. And yet 423 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 3: the europe don't seem to get that, and they seem 424 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: to be utterly confused. And I've been blown away. I'm 425 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 3: a military buff, I'm an aircraft buff, and I've been 426 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,680 Speaker 3: watching what's been happening, and I think each time Israel 427 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 3: after seven to seven, which was a how can this happen. Literally, 428 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: how their intelligence services failed in Israel. Suddenly, what Israel 429 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 3: have done in terms of the strikes in Iran, in 430 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 3: terms of working with American terms of the coordination, it's phenomenal. 431 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 3: But Israel are fighting for their very survival, and I'm 432 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 3: really excited what could happened to Iran. I've talked to 433 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 3: as I'm sure you have earned many Iranians, some of 434 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 3: them there generally most of them who have left Iran 435 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 3: have had to flee for their life. And you think, actually, 436 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 3: there's a possibility that Iran could go back to pre 437 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 3: Islamic Revolution times. But that is forty five plus years 438 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 3: you're turning back. The opposition is fragmented, But I think 439 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 3: there's a possibility of having a nation in the Middle 440 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 3: East that is not a nation run by Islam. You 441 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 3: take Israel because Israel or a special case, but then 442 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: you look at what other countries. You think, well, Lebanon, 443 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: but Lebanon has been in a mess for decades and decades. 444 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 3: Actually Iran or the option, and certainly the reports I've 445 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,399 Speaker 3: had over the last five years of the church growing 446 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 3: in Iran, of the excitement that's happening in that country, underground, 447 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 3: and actually if the people could remove the shackles on them, 448 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: then they could do the freedom and of course without prison. 449 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 3: Trump and Israel going in and doing what they've done, 450 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 3: there's no way they could remove We've heard the stories 451 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 3: of thirty forty thousand murdered, so they are not able 452 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 3: to remove that unless someone comes and takes that yuke 453 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 3: of them. And President Trump has done that. And I, 454 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 3: although I don't wish foreign wars and I don't think 455 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 3: the US should get involved in foreign wars, I think 456 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 3: that actually the situation with Iran is different and his 457 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 3: implications for the world, and therefore I am excited as 458 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: you are at how this has gone. The military objective 459 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: seemed to have been achieved past the point of what 460 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 3: was expected, and Israel have said that, and the US 461 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: have said that. And Pete Heggsworth every press conference he 462 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: gives it's like this is this is this is theater, 463 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 3: this is great. He knows what he's doing, He's going 464 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: to get it done. And this is a military and 465 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 3: a administration that knows what it's doing. And thank god 466 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 3: they're doing it and not Britain or for Australia or Canada. 467 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: You're right, about it, HeiG Seth and his press conferences, 468 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: but it's likely. I just I look at it and 469 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: I think I compare it back to watching. You know, 470 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier about Starmer, and at least tiny Blair 471 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: had some charisma, and you know, you look at Barack 472 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: Obama and yes, he was an orator, and he had 473 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: this this great turn of phrase, and he could get 474 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: up there and you'd go, my god, I've got chills. 475 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: But he was giving these i'micc Reagian billions of dollars 476 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 1: and doing absolutely nothing tangible to help anyone. 477 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,440 Speaker 2: In fact, he was doing the complete opposite. 478 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: So I would much rather someone who he says, when 479 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: asked who will replace the Itoler, who says, well, you know, 480 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 1: we had this guy in mine, but we killed him 481 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: and there was this other guy, Baldric. 482 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 2: Oh no, we killed him new. I mean, it's sorry 483 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: using a British comedy for you there. 484 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: But and Hexceth as well, you know, we blew their 485 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety six Air Force into the like it's just 486 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: like they're sledging as well as you know, talking about 487 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: war and something that will define the global world order 488 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: for decades and generations. Like it's just but I would 489 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: much rather that that just tell me how it is. 490 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't need it to be politically correct, and let's 491 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: make it entertaining too, because why the hell not. I 492 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: just think, yeah, it's it's extraordinary times. 493 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 3: I remember going back in the day ninety one in 494 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 3: the Gulf War desert storm, and I was actually showing 495 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: one of my kids a sticker album book that I'd 496 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 3: got for the whole thing. I remember getting up every 497 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 3: morning and watching it and it was kind of you 498 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 3: could view it in real time. Now it's a whole 499 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 3: nother stage in terms of social media, but we can 500 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 3: see what's happening. The media or the institutions or the 501 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 3: countries cannot hide what is happening because the information goes out. 502 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,680 Speaker 3: I think this is going to be fascinating for the 503 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 3: stability or the destabilization of the region, and Israel could 504 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 3: actually end up this in a moch stronger position. N 505 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 3: could actually end off in a positive position with a 506 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 3: proper countric because around as there's ninety million, eighty five million, 507 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: it's huge, just. 508 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: Over ninety one million. I think the vast majority of 509 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: whom do not support this Islamic regime. And that's the excitement. 510 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: I'm not a warmonger. My dad was a major general. 511 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: He was sent to Iraq, ran the war there for 512 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: a year, wrote a book called Running the War in Iraq. 513 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: He was the first Australian to run the Coalition forces. 514 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: Petraeus picked him out, put him in charge Afghanistan. 515 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 2: All over the world. 516 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: He ended up dying as a result of exposure to 517 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: fire pits in the Middle East. You know, I am 518 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: it's not lost on me what this costs and what 519 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: family sacrifice, and that they will be lives lost. But 520 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: you've got to go in hard and strong and do 521 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: this because they've waged a warf in nearly fifty years, 522 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: and the second they have capability, we know they've got 523 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: the willingness to use it and to destroy. So I think, 524 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, the excitement around this and is watching a 525 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 1: people who may have a chance at freedom and watching 526 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: the West they want to destroy have more of a 527 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: chance of not being destroyed by them. 528 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: I think it's it's a positive thing. 529 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 3: It is, and and the whole change with Hamas being decimated, 530 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 3: with Hezbollah being decimated and Israel being able to fight 531 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 3: on numerous fronts, and I don't we've never seen that before. Sure, 532 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: if the Six Day War maybe or where it actually 533 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: was done very quickly. This is a longer one with 534 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: Israel being in a war now for two and a 535 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 3: half years, but actually with Iram and what could change there? 536 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 3: Then where does that leave Katar and Turkey? With Katar 537 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: NOI talking against Iran because they're not concerned that changes 538 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: all that? And maybe with such a goal. 539 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: Wasn't it the Islamic crazians striking out? It essentially assembled 540 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: all these people against them, and you know, their neighbors 541 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 1: that are not friendly to Israel and not fond of Israel. 542 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: But suddenly you know what an own goal? 543 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: But I think it's it's a diner and it's the 544 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 3: death thrus. It's lastly night in confusion, in fear that 545 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 3: you're about to lose, and you can all those drones 546 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 3: they have prepared, the missiles. It seems as though the 547 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 3: defenses of each of the other countries are holding and 548 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 3: are able to take that, and the US aren't going 549 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: to let down. We could be in a very positive situation, 550 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 3: despite the fact we are in a war, despite the 551 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 3: fact we're on the edge of something which could be dangerous, 552 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 3: and none of us know how this is going to 553 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 3: end up. We may never talk again, and who knows 554 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,479 Speaker 3: where we will end up. 555 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 4: But there is a positive path that we could also take, 556 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 4: and that is for a region that is much more 557 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 4: stable and a region that doesn't have. 558 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 3: Especially I think catar and Turkey having such force and 559 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 3: having such a say, and I think that is better 560 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,600 Speaker 3: for all of us, for not only the region but 561 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 3: the world. 562 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: You look at it, You're absolutely right and will wrap up. 563 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for your time. It's very valuable. 564 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: I understand that. 565 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: But it's not even and I'm just thinking now on 566 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: the fly, but I always talk about the blood of 567 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 1: Americans and Westerners, you know, on the hands of this regime. 568 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 1: I talk about the number of their own people they 569 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: have mercilessly killed, not just over the past couple of months, 570 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: but over the past nearly fifty years. The terrorist proxies 571 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: that they fund. But even if you look at it 572 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 1: from a Hamas, obviously they fund. If not, we're part 573 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: of the planning of Hamas, A very big part of 574 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: what happened on October seven, the Islamic regime of Iran 575 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: that has divided Australia in ways that we have almost 576 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: never seen before in terms of instability, and not even 577 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: just from a violence perspective, but the damage they're doing, 578 00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: same as a US Propalaestine. 579 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 2: Like in Canada, two synagogues were shot. 580 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: At the impact of this regime and the proxies that 581 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: it funds and the ideology that it tries to push 582 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,959 Speaker 1: out has over the past two years has been awful. 583 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are or where you are, 584 00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: it has reached you and it has made life worse. 585 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: And one hundred percent I've been as shocked as you have. 586 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: I thought this kind of situation was settled in terms 587 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: of geopolitics, but certainly as a Christian, I thought it 588 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 3: was settled amongst many of my friends and churches. And 589 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 3: suddenly you've got this rising. And I don't call it 590 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: anti Semitism. I just called hatred of Israel. That's a 591 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 3: hard to find it. 592 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: That's a more powerful way of And you're talking about 593 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: Tucker and Candice for joining. 594 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 3: The list because people clue anti Semitism and kind of 595 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 3: that's acceptable and not acceptable. No, why should you hit 596 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 3: another country and especially because of their religious belief and 597 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 3: going at them. So I've I just got a book 598 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 3: came in the post yesterday on Christian Zionism, and I 599 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 3: need to go back and re understand, because again I 600 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: just thought this was this was understood. You read your Bible, 601 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 3: You've got the history of a thousand and thousand years. 602 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 3: And yet I've seen good people just go completely off 603 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 3: the track, and I don't know whether they've been sucked 604 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: in by Tucker. And I guess if I got a 605 00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 3: ton of money from Kutor, who knows we'll not go. 606 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 2: There, what would it take for you? Because they've made 607 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: I know. 608 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 3: But again, Tucker is much more dangerous because Candace seems 609 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 3: just unhinged and comes up every I think she just 610 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 3: wakes up and has a dream about some new crazy 611 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 3: idea and just comes up with it more measured. 612 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 1: Cred and having come from Fox, and you're right, he does. 613 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: I think he's far more dangerous too, Peter. We better 614 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: wrap this up, but thank you so so much for 615 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 1: such a fascinating conversation. 616 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: Really appreciate your time. It's been great to have you 617 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: on and love to have you back on. 618 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 3: Thank you or the invite anytime, love joining you. Even 619 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 3: though we're separated by many time zones, it's fun to talk. 620 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: Thank you. 621 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: We are so blessed to have the most incredible partners 622 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: here on The Aaron Mullin Show, Noble Gold, Balance of 623 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,160 Speaker 1: Nature and the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. Make 624 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: sure you support the incredible people and companies and organizations 625 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: who support us. 626 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 2: It means the absolute world. 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