1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Hammer, and this is the Josh Shammer Show. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:12,319 Speaker 1: Today is the latest meeting between the United States and 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: their Iranian counterparts over in Geneva, Switzerland's will he or 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,239 Speaker 1: won't to you? When it comes to Donald Trump and 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 1: military action in Iran, Well, we're going to bring on 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: Robert Spencer, director of gi Hotwatch, later on in the show, 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: talk about that as well as the gas lighting operation 8 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: currently happening on the rights when it comes to the 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: attempt to islamicize the concerted movement here in the United States. Well, 10 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: speaking of gaslighting operations, we also are going to be 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: thrilled be joined by Buck Sexton, the author of a 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,599 Speaker 1: best selling brand new book on that exact topic, the 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Notion of manufacturing Delusion. So two great guests for you 14 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: later on today's episode of The Josh Shammer Show. But 15 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: for now we open with this Jim Comer and the 16 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:53,160 Speaker 1: US House Oversight Committee in Chappaqua, New York earlier today 17 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: to collect a deposition test my behind closed doors from 18 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: none other than Hillary Rodham Clinton herself. Yes, Hillary Clinton 19 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 1: deposed by the House Oversight Committee behind closed doors in 20 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: the Clinton's home in Chappaquat earlier today, Hubby her Hubby 21 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton Selick Willie himself is set to be deposed 22 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: by the same committee tomorrow on Friday, February twenty seventh. 23 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: It will be the very first time that a former 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: president has been deposed or testified by Congress in the 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: entire history, frankly of the United States Congress. What is 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: actually going on here, Well, this is part of the 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: House Oversight Committe's continued investigation into Epstein, into Epstein, and 28 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,040 Speaker 1: into who might have had any kind of accountability in 29 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: some of the most horrific underage sex trafficking pedophilia crimes 30 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: really in not just American history, but arguably in Western history. 31 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: It is a reminder that it is Bill and Hillary 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: Clinton who were substantially who are substantially closer to America's 33 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: most notorious pedophile than Donald J. Trump himself. It is 34 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: well known as a matter of public record, has been 35 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: for the oberated by the recent releases of more Epstein files. 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: We've also known for a while that Bill Clinton indeed 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: was on the plane that was frequently known as the 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: quote unquote Lolita Express, Jeffrey Epstein's plane that would go 39 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: to and from Epstein Island, as well as various other 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 1: places there. It is disputed as to whether or not 41 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton actually was on the island. There is not 42 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: necessarily a ton of evidence for that. There are some 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: people continue to think something to the contrary. Hillary Clinton Orbitter, 44 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: surely again this is closed door hearing earlier today will 45 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: we are waiting on the transcripts at this time, but 46 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: albit surely just taken the fifth over and over and 47 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: over again. Democrats interestingly had pushed actually for these two 48 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: depositions of both Bill and Harrowy to combers ors like Committee. 49 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: They wanted these hearings to actually be out in the 50 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: open there. Your miles may vary as to what do you 51 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: think their motivation might be for that, but in any event, 52 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: these actually are going to be behind closed doors. It's 53 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: just a reminder, as I said, though, to take a setback. 54 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton on the Lolita Express over and over and 55 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: over and again. On the other hand, you have Donald J. Trump, 56 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: who wrote Kahana perhaps above all the congressmen of California, 57 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 1: who has been patently obsessed with the Epstein portfolio for 58 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: months now, who is trying to paint along with many 59 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: of his fellow Democrats that Donald Trump's engaged in a 60 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: pedophilia Epstein cover up. You saw a lot of this 61 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: with his stupid stickers. Rashida Tulay, while wearing her pro 62 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: terrorist caffea at the Stale of Unionjesse the other night, 63 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: was wearing this little sticker saying release the files or 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: something else Epstein related there. They're trying to make it out, 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: this narrative that they are trying to get into your 66 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: head because they think that you are stupid. They are 67 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: trying to convince you that Donald Trump is a major 68 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: complicit party or at least perhaps engaged was involved with 69 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: some of the underage girls in the broader Epstein sag 70 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 1: of there, and he wasn't. How do we know he 71 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: wasn't because Donald Trump kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of mar 72 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: A Lago in Pompach, Florida back in the day as 73 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: soon as he found out the first whiff of what 74 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: Epstein had first been accused of. This is going back 75 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,000 Speaker 1: about two decades, and not only that, he alerted the 76 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: Palm Beach County Sheriff's office about Epstein. So a lot 77 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: of this continues to be just a complete ruse. In 78 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: a song, and dance from the Democrats and frankly some 79 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: of their useful idiot Republicans as well, people likely disgraced 80 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: former Congresswoman Martin Taylor Green, people like Thomas Massey, who, 81 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: god willing will lose his congressional primary late this year 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: to someone who actually cares about supporting the MAGA agenda 83 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: and doesn't care about being just a complete show voting, 84 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: useful idiot obstructionist there. But this certainly is going to 85 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: be generating a lot of headlines over the next forty 86 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: eight hours at least, if not more than that. Republicans 87 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: probably not going to get a whole lot of clippable 88 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 1: footage out of this. Again, this is closed door testimony 89 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: and Bill and Hillary all but is surely taken the 90 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: fifth But if nothing else, if nothing else, as I said, 91 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: it should hopefully seep into the mind this continued accurate 92 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: perception that it was the Clintons who were substantially closer 93 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: to Epstein than Donald J. Trump. I hope that we 94 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: actually get some political accountability for Epstein. You know, as 95 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: I've been reminding this audience time and time again, legal 96 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: accountability has been wanting and will continue to be wanting 97 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 1: as comer himself actually acknowledged earlier today speaking outside the 98 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,119 Speaker 1: Clinton's home in Chappaqua, New York, for the very simple 99 00:05:18,160 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: reason that the statute limitations on these crimes all expired 100 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: a long time ago. Will we get some sort of 101 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: political accountability? I strongly hope so. I wouldn't necessarily get 102 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: your hopes up, but the Clintons are a perfectly good 103 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,080 Speaker 1: place to start if you're looking for some sort of 104 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 1: political accountability for the Epstein's scandal. Perhaps for now we 105 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: will leave it at that. Speaking of more real scandals though, 106 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: that I think really affect the actual day to day 107 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 1: political actors substantially more than these horrific sex crimes that 108 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: happened two decades or more ago. Some breaking news happening 109 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: over the past twenty four to thirty six hours, it 110 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 1: has now been revealed that in the context of former 111 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 1: disgraced dubious so called special counsel Jack Smith's investigation quote 112 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: unquote investigation again, he was only dubiously appointed the Special 113 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: Council as judge a lean cannon in the Sun District 114 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: of Florida, compellingly argue an opinion in the summer twenty 115 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: twenty four, he actually really wasn't even legitimately appointed special 116 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: council there. That's why Judge Cannon ends up dis missing 117 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: that case. So Smith during the course of his quote 118 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 1: unquote investigation of the twenty twenty election and also of 119 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: the classified documents probe in mar A Lago in South 120 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: Florida and all that there. This is the Arctic frost 121 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: investigation that recently came to light this past year towards 122 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 1: the end of the year twenty twenty five, where there 123 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: were at least a dozen members of Congress who were 124 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: gulfed up as part of this sweeping dragnet of individuals 125 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: trying to get phone records ted Cruz Center of Texas. 126 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: Among those elected officials who had their phone records there, 127 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: I believe was eight and t that was subpoenaed by 128 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: Jacksbith that the end in his investigation, so just yesterday 129 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 1: the latest year, is that it was actually both Cash 130 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: Patel and Susie Wiles, who were then private citizens around 131 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two twenty twenty three, who had their own 132 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:04,720 Speaker 1: phone records also subpoenaed by Jack Smith and by the 133 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: FBI working pursuant to the authority from Merrick Garland and 134 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: Jack Smith over at the DOJE. This is really scandalous stuff. 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: Susie Wilds and Cash Matel were both private citizens there 136 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 1: they there was absolutely no reason, no reason whatsoever to 137 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: sick the full force of the federal government on these 138 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: two private individuals. Susie Wiles ultimately came Trump's campaign manager, 139 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: and this surveillance we now believe base onall was just disclosed. 140 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: We now believe the surveillance actually continued until she was 141 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: the campaign manager there, so deeply or wheely and stuff 142 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: to put them mildly. To add to say, another wrinkle 143 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: to this story, Susie Wiles's attorney apparently was aware of 144 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: the fact that the FBI was tapping their phones and 145 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: seeking the records and consented to this. I was absolutely 146 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: astonished Susie Wiles, the current White House, she was staffed, 147 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: her lawyer allowed the FBI to wiretap their phone calls 148 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: and she didn't apprise her clients on This is absolutely 149 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: astonishing stuff. There's a new opbed over at foxnews dot 150 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: Com with a strolling courage injury from my colleague at 151 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 1: the Article three project, Will Chamberlain kind of laying out 152 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 1: all the details of this. This is a glaring, glaring 153 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: violation of the attorney client privilege, one of the great 154 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: legal privileges in all the Anglo American legal tradition. Frankly, 155 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: this lawyer should be immediately disbarred. I think Susie Wilders 156 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: probably has a very solid case for a private cause 157 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: of action for legal malpractice against her former lawyer. I 158 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: presume he's a former lawyer. I mean, if you're this 159 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,840 Speaker 1: interacting this egregiously, I hope that she's not currently retaining 160 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: you as some sort of private counsel on the outside. 161 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: I certainly assume that she that she is not. There 162 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: could easily be some criminal repercussions here as well. Just 163 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: to give one instance, the FBI agents who solicited Susie 164 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: Wille's attorney to wiretap this could be charged potentially under 165 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: a crime like eighteen US Code section twenty five to eleven, 166 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: which prohibits the unauthorized interception disclosure of communications interstate commerce. 167 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 1: So a lot, a lot to unpack here, But it 168 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: just also goes to the depth of the extremities, to 169 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: the depth of the extremities of what the previous ministration 170 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: engaged in. It was really, really, really sordid stuff. A 171 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: lot of it, frankly, the auto pen scandal, the Arctic 172 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: frost probe, which we are now just learning some additional 173 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: details on. I'm sure that we're going to learn additional 174 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: details in the days and weeks ahead. I hope frankly 175 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: that the DOJ under Pambondi, the FBI, nor cash MATEL 176 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: Cash has actually already fired about ten agents who were 177 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 1: involved in the marl Lago raid and some of these 178 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: various other Arctic frost probes there. So good for Cash 179 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: MATEL for trying to clean house there. Hopefully even more 180 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: is done this front there. We'll certainly keep you updated here, 181 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: but some really really deeply, deeply troubling stuff coming out 182 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: on the Arctic frost probe just over the past day 183 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: or two. In other news and other news. On a Wednesday, 184 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: this crazy story off the coast of Cuba, the Cuban 185 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: military gunning down a US speedboat. A US speedboat. It 186 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: was a US registered boat, so it was probably not 187 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: a drug boat. Details at this time are currently scant. 188 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: Here is just a little bit of what we know. 189 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: Marco Rubio talking about what we currently know, what we 190 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: don't know. Here Here is Mark Rure talking about the 191 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: situation in Cuba. 192 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to speculate on what the US 193 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 2: will do. What I'm telling you is that we're going 194 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: to find out exactly what happened and who was involved, 195 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 2: and then we'll make a determination on the basis of 196 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: what we find out. And we are going to find out, 197 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: but we're not going to just take what somebody else 198 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: tells us. We're going to find out and I'm very 199 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: confident we will be able to know the story and 200 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 2: be able to independent only verify facts about it. 201 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: All Right, So reality is that we don't know a 202 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: whole lot yet, Rubio in an additional clip, saying that 203 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: we don't really know, frankly, a whole lot yet. What 204 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: we think at this time, our best guess is that 205 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: this boat was probably comprised of some disgruntled Cuban expats, 206 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: probably frankly from here in the South Florida area, in 207 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,079 Speaker 1: Miami area there who decided to basically take up weapons 208 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: and try to go Rambo style and kill a bunch 209 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: of communists there in Cuba. That did not end well 210 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: for them. We are waiting for the details for sure, 211 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: but again American nationals looks like they were being killed 212 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 1: by Cuba. It is a very very very bad look. 213 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: We'll see if it leads to something more than that. 214 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: It's just the Gulf of Tonkin two point zero to 215 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: make a Vietnam War reference, I guess we'll see. Certainly 216 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: one thing we know about the Cuban regime, this is 217 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: in an Orwellian totalitarian, evil, evil regime if there ever 218 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: were one, wholly wholly engage in things such as manufacturing delusions. 219 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: And that's actually exactly where we're going to bring on 220 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 1: our next guest to discuss there. So Buck Sexton wrote 221 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 1: this brand new best selling book called Manufacturing Delusion, and 222 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 1: really the Cuban regime is a perfect example of that. So, 223 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: without further du post, we're going to cost to a 224 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: quick commercial break. Stay with us on this side for 225 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton for his talk on his new book, Manufacturing Delusion. 226 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back. So boy, do we have a treat for you. 227 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: Making his first appearance on the Josh Hammers Show, and gosh, 228 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: probably like four years is a good friend of mine. 229 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: That is the one and only Buck Sexton. You know 230 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton from the Clay Travis and Buck buck Sexton Show, 231 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: The wildly popular Clay Travis Bucks SXS show is also 232 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: the author of the brand new best selling book Manufacturing Delusion, 233 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: How the Left uses brainwashing and dootrination and propaganda against you. 234 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: So Buck, another congratulations to you for this remarkably best 235 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: selling a new book that you've written. 236 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 3: Here. 237 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: As an author myself, I know how how much work 238 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: goes into this entire process, So hopefully you are reaping 239 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: the benefits of that, my friend. Let's dive right in here. 240 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: The book is on propaganda. The book is also on 241 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: gas lighting. I think folks who know the show a 242 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: little bit know that I love the term gas lighting. 243 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: I use the term gas lighting a lot actually, So 244 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: let's just get in a little bit and talk about 245 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: that here in the book. You get it, you get 246 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: into jihad, you get into the Chinese Communist Party, stalinist totalitarianism, 247 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: in various forms of totalitarianism. Here, walk us through the 248 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: process of the gas light if you are a totalitarian regime, 249 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: walk us through how you think about gas line the populace, 250 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:18,720 Speaker 1: and how you start to then actually do it there, 251 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: and just walk us through what that process. 252 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 4: Is got sure well, and what you're what you're referring 253 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 4: to josh as gaslight I refer to in the book 254 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: in different terms used by some of the psychological warfare 255 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 4: and as and and forensic, psychiatric and other experts that 256 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 4: I draw upon, and going all the way back to Pavlov, 257 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 4: who was of course a you know, a physiologist, a 258 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 4: Nobel laureate, a scientist of incredible renown. Gaslight I think 259 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 4: comes actually as a term from a play, and it's 260 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 4: become much more common in modern parliance. It's not something 261 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 4: that was part of the of the left sicon of brainwashing, 262 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 4: her mind control until pretty recently so, but. 263 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 3: There's similar things. I mean, when you say you gaslight somebody, 264 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 3: what do you do? 265 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:15,760 Speaker 4: I mean you you confuse them, you degrade them. And 266 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 4: if you're going to confuse and degrade people systematically, well 267 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 4: then you're. 268 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: Engaged in what juice. 269 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 4: Mirrlu formerly or rather born as Abraham Mirlu, changed his 270 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,359 Speaker 4: name during the Second World War two help evade the Nazis. 271 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 4: He spent time in the United Kingdom working for the 272 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: Dutch army in exile. Some people know the Dutch. Some 273 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 4: of them got away, most of them surrendered, but they 274 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 4: were part of Operation Overlord and came back, you know 275 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 4: as part of the Normandy invasion, but were engaged in 276 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 4: psychological operations obviously for occupied Netherlands and Juice Mirrlu the psychiatrist, 277 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 4: was involved in that. And what he did was he said, 278 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 4: hold on, how did how did these people go crazy? 279 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: Meaning Nazi Germany of these SS people actually believe in 280 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: what they were doing, because many of them did, And 281 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 4: so he. 282 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 3: Broke that down. 283 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: But one of the big lessons learned that he had, 284 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 4: which he then applied to Maoist Chinese thought. 285 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 3: Reforms what they call it. 286 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 4: We call it brainwashing in this country, but thought reform 287 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 4: was the actual Communist Party term also used in North Korea, 288 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: I might add, and during the Korean War, and we 289 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 4: got to the turncoats Americans who were captured and then 290 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 4: decided to stay over there, which was a huge shock 291 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 4: to Americans at the time. And this led to a 292 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 4: whole series of literature and movies, including of course famously 293 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: The Manchurian Candidate. But mere Lou going back to and 294 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 4: meant Tocide is the second chapter of the book after 295 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 4: Pavlov which the book is manufacturing Delusion, which I actually think, 296 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 4: you know what, the biggest compliment I get into Josh 297 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 4: is what. 298 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: It's actually a good book with real research. That's what 299 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 3: people say. 300 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 5: I'm like, this isn't some like fakey book that some 301 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 5: you know, like contributor at Fox had someone else write 302 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 5: for them not to you know. This is like, this 303 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 5: is a real book that I wrote that spent like blood, 304 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 5: sweat and tears, like you, eighteen months that the CIA 305 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 5: had to clear every single word of it. 306 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 3: Took them five months. 307 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 4: I had to sit after my book got approved for 308 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 4: five months to wait for the CIA to clear the book. 309 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 4: So yes, and because I talk about being in Nigeria 310 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 4: and jihadism, I talk about Iraq and seeing what AQI 311 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 4: was doing with the suicide bomber, brainwashing and anyway. So 312 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 4: I mean it all comes together. But merlu his whole thing, 313 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 4: and this is why it's not a history book. He said, 314 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 4: some of these tactics don't require concentration camps or gulags 315 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 4: or you know, secret police on every corner. The psychological 316 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 4: manipulation that is used is possible without that massive force 317 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 4: on a lesser scale, but it is possible in liberal 318 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: Western democracy. So that was his big warning when he 319 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 4: wrote The Rape of the Mind, which was his very 320 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 4: famous book, at the time, back in nineteen fifty six. 321 00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 4: And so in a sense, I'm bringing merlu back back 322 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 4: to life today, bringing his theories back into the popular 323 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 4: lexicon because COVID BLM, thousands of black men are killed 324 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 4: by cops every year and they're unarmed. And I mean, 325 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 4: these are madness. These are areas of madness, These are 326 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 4: areas of delusion. How do we get to this? And 327 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 4: there are very specific you can call them waypoints or 328 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 4: tactical threads, approaches, manipulation tactics is usually what I call them, 329 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 4: that are common. 330 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: In these situations. 331 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 4: By the way, forced confession or confession forced phobia. I 332 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: mean each chapter really in the book is one of 333 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 4: these things. 334 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 3: I mean the. 335 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: Role of the forced confession in MAOIs Conson Maoist thought 336 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 4: reform camps was fascinating because they knew and you knew 337 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 4: that you were confessing to nonsense. The point was to 338 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 4: get you to confess to nonsense so enthusiastically that after 339 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 4: doing it enough, you had to start to believe it. 340 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 4: That was the level of confession that they wanted. They 341 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 4: weren't getting people to confess to real things. So and 342 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 4: it goes all the way down to the wiring and 343 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 4: that trauma can do into your brain, and how trauma can. 344 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: Be used as a tool. This goes to the gas 345 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: lighting part by. 346 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 4: The way, trauma can be used to mold people's perceptions 347 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,399 Speaker 4: of reality. And that is certainly what totalitarian regimes do, 348 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 4: and I argue it's what the modern left is doing 349 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 4: today in America. They just lack the power of these 350 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: totalitarian regimes to do it all out. 351 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: So that actually leads to very naturally to my next 352 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 1: question again at folks Bucks X and you can follow 353 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: him on x at buck Sex and new best selling 354 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: book Manufacturing Delusion, how the left uses brainwashing and doctrination 355 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 1: and propaganda against you on Amazon everywhere books are sold. 356 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 1: Buck you actually very directly and nicely teed up my 357 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: next question, which is COVID nineteen is the best example 358 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: in my lifetime, your lifetime, our lifetime of something like 359 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: this happening I believe, which unfortunately does show that it 360 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: can happen here. And the question then arises, what is 361 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: the best inoculation against this sort of thing from arising? Again? 362 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: Is it legal? Is it having strong constitutional legal safeguards? 363 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: Is it cultural? Is it spiritual? Part of this is 364 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: obviously ingrained in the human condition. It's my belief that 365 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: humans on some level just desire to exert control over others. 366 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: There's obviously political theory. Federal Summer fifty one, Madison says, 367 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 1: if men were angels, you know, et cetera, et cetera, 368 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: et cetera. So what is the best safeguard to prevent 369 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: this sort of thing? 370 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 4: Prophilactically speaking, Well, with this, I'll actually take you back 371 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 4: to what is in a sense the opening of the book, 372 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 4: but also it gets to the close of the book 373 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 4: as well, which is the chapter on Pavlov, because there 374 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 4: was a seminal event in nineteen twenty four when Pavlov's 375 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 4: lab in what was then Leningrad. We know it is 376 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 4: Saint Petersburg previously, you know, the city changes name several times, 377 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 4: but in Saint Petersburg, I'll say, the river, the main 378 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 4: river through the city, and the Neva River overflowed, and 379 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 4: the daw that Pavlov kept then had been conditioning. We 380 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 4: don't need not training conditioning. For years were subjected to 381 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:14,119 Speaker 4: the possibility of slowly but surely drowning. I mean, the 382 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 4: water was rising, rising, rising, and they're in these kennels right, 383 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,479 Speaker 4: And so at the last minute, members of Pavlov's staff 384 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 4: were able to get through the waist high water. It 385 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 4: was a huge flood all across the city, get through 386 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 4: the wastside water, get to the labs, save all the dogs. 387 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 4: So it's kind of a it's a happy ending in 388 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 4: that sense. But some of the dogs had their conditioning 389 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: because this was over the course of maybe a couple 390 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 4: of hours that they could tell the water was going 391 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 4: and their animals they know that something is amiss. Their 392 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 4: conditioning was wiped away, gone and they and it didn't 393 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 4: come back, And so that was something that the Pavlov 394 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 4: Lab in Pavlov himself took particular note of. But also 395 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: that there were changes in behavior that were lasting as well. 396 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: Formerly aggressive dogs became docile, dossal garlog dogs became aggressive. 397 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: Now well, this was this was fascinating because it was 398 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 4: really a external trauma, and external forced stimuli can change 399 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 4: deep brain function in a way that is is lasting 400 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 4: and obviously opens up a whole bunch of interesting opportunities 401 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 4: for people who want to build like a new new 402 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 4: Soviet Man. 403 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 3: Right. But and this is to the point. 404 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 4: About how individuals can or how people can guard against this. 405 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: There were dogs that were fine. 406 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 4: There were dogs that because of maybe their strong constitution, 407 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 4: because of their their makeup, and that was always the case, 408 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 4: even with the conditioning before the floods. Some uh, some, 409 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 4: and no, obviously we're not canines. But this was all 410 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 4: used as a means of understanding us. Some people are 411 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: just more resistant to force and more resistant to lies. 412 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 3: It all just comes down to the individual. 413 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: Fair enough, my friend that I pod is cutting up 414 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: or come up against a heart break? Here Butt Sex 415 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: and again folks hosted the Clay Travis and Bucks Sex show. 416 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Get the book Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left uses brainwashing 417 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,919 Speaker 1: and doctrination and propaganda against you. Buck, congratulations again on 418 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: the best selling new book. So a lot to went 419 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: back there. There was a very dense conversation with our 420 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,240 Speaker 1: friend Buck Sex and rushing. 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So a lots 438 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: went back in the conversation that we just had with 439 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton, and we got trunk hit a little bit 440 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,200 Speaker 1: towards the end there. But what Buck was really saying 441 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: is that there are some individuals who just are better 442 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: able to withstand, who are naturally better able to withstand 443 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:30,600 Speaker 1: attempts to mislead, attempts to bamboozle, to gaslight, to delude, 444 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: I engage in all these other very kind of formal 445 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: intelligence community CIA like terms that Buck was talking about 446 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: that he probably knows from his time frankly as a 447 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: former CIA analyst, and I wanted to emphasize one thing, 448 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: which is to be clear about Buck's the expert. He 449 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: wrote the book, and go ahead and check out the book. 450 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,959 Speaker 1: It seems to me that there are some things I'm 451 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: sure Buck would agree with this, that we can and 452 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: should do in order for our last question and answer 453 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:00,439 Speaker 1: there in order to try to better and not culate 454 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: the American citizensury against these sorts of operations. And part 455 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: of this, indeed is mental, part of it is physical, 456 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: part of it is spiritual. Part of it is legal 457 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: and political. My own personal day to day interests lie 458 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: more in the legal political and its supposed to extent 459 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: in the spiritual realm. This is one of the purposes, 460 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: of course, of the separation of powers in America. You 461 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: go back and you read the Federals papers, you read 462 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: all all the various other supporting documents when it comes 463 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: to American political theory one A one separation of powers federalism. 464 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: This this dispersion of power between Article one, Article two, 465 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,919 Speaker 1: and Article three, and the ultimately between the federal government 466 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: and the various states governments. A lot of it a 467 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: lot of it is ultimately towards the end of trying 468 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: to preserve the American people's liberty and to bolster them 469 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,440 Speaker 1: so that they can resist attempts at tyranny. Attempts to 470 00:24:54,480 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: tyranny don't always come overnight. Oftentimes are much much more insidious. Fact, 471 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: some of the American founders have direct quotes on that 472 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: exact topic there about how tyranny does not always come 473 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,959 Speaker 1: in the form of Jack Boots, does not always come 474 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: in the form of Robespierre and the guillotine and the 475 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: reign of terror. There sometimes it is a lot subtler. 476 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: So you try to devise a structural of government, to 477 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: again paraphrase Sam's Madison in the Federals fifty one, so 478 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: that the government has the ability of containing man's ambitions 479 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: and restraining them, that they are legally less able, less 480 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: able to undermine your free will, to undermine your freeom 481 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:36,200 Speaker 1: of action, your own volition, and to allow you more 482 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: space in your own life as a free citizen to 483 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 1: actually engage in the day to day affairs that being 484 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: a strong citizen normally requires. Now the correlate to that 485 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: in the spiritual and religious realm is that you have 486 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: to have a strong religious backbone. George Washington in his 487 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: farewell address. It's one of my favorite lines from his 488 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: farewell address, which he gave in seventeen ninety six. There 489 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: speaks quite explicitly, quite clearly about how religion is the eternal, 490 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: indispensable safeguard of a free people. How religion revealed religion, 491 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: not this notion it's kind of feel good, kind of 492 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:21,119 Speaker 1: hippie Woodstock nineteen sixty nine. Notion of spiritual but not religious, No, 493 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 1: but actual reveal the biblical religion. How that is the 494 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: true safeguard that will ensure the lower case are republican 495 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: habits of mind and sentiments without which no citizenry can 496 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: cohere and survive in the mid to long term. So, 497 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: whether it is constitutional structure, whether it is a strong 498 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,400 Speaker 1: place for the jedeo Christian tradition and biblical religion more 499 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: generally in the public square, we weaving its way throughout 500 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: our body politic into our statute, into our legislation, into 501 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: our jurisprudence, into our court. There these are the ways 502 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 1: that the ultimately try to bolster and to fortify a 503 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: citizenry against attempts to encroach on your liberty, And this 504 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: has happened in recent memory. Again, COVID nineteen really is 505 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: the clear the Sinaquon non example. In recent years there 506 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: of America, the American elites trying to do exactly this. 507 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: We failed that test. We should look very, very soberly 508 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: back at the COVID nineteen era. America failed the COVID 509 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,120 Speaker 1: nineteen test. Is there anyone out there things we want? 510 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 6: Like? 511 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: Does literally anyone think that America passed the COVID nineteen 512 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: challenge in flying colors? Are you kidding me? We get 513 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: like a zero out of ten. We flunk the crap 514 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: out of it. We were horrible. We were no good, 515 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 1: very bad, freaking stinking terrible. We freaked out. We had 516 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: no idea what we're doing there. The lockdowns, the ineffectual masking, 517 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: the private sector of vaccine man dates, people losing their jobs, 518 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 1: both the private and the public sector of military service members. 519 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,879 Speaker 1: People lose their jobs there all for what, All for 520 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: a disease that had roughly the lethality rate of influenza 521 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: the common flu at times assessments be actually even less 522 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: lethal than that. And yet we had this massive years long, 523 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: this year's long. Just just mind virus. You know, if 524 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,399 Speaker 1: it wasn't for Judge Myzell, the district or a judge 525 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: here in Florida where I live, who ruled against the 526 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: mask mandate in April twenty twenty two, think about how 527 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: much longer the mighty gone in place. That really was 528 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: when Judge Myzell ruled against the mass thing, that really 529 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: was the beginning of the end of the COVID regime. 530 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: So this has to be studied, This has to be 531 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: started to figure out how America went wrong, not just 532 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: public health wise, but really psychological wise. And frankly that 533 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: at introspection has has not been has not been done 534 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: a frontly has gone anywhere close to being done yet. 535 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: I want to griefly take us back to a topic 536 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: that we touched briefly on at the beginning of the show, say, 537 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: which is situation in Cuba. I can't help but think 538 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: a lot about Cuba, just given given the nature of 539 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: the threats, giving what we're talking about here about totalitarian 540 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: regimes and gasline information operations there. I also live in Florida. 541 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: Just yesterday, while this is going down, my wife I 542 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: noticed multiple military helicopters that seemed to be zipping by 543 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: down the beach heading southwards roughly towards Cuba. I don't 544 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: know that this is why they were going down there, 545 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: but it's been on my mind a lot over the 546 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: past twenty four hours or so. Again, we have no 547 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: idea what this is. What we do know, and we've 548 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: previously reported this to you, is that we do know 549 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: that Marco Rubio, who is the Cuban American Secretary of 550 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 1: State from Miami, very attuned to the situation in Cuba. 551 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: He has been engaging in clandestine conversations for some months 552 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: now with the grandson of Raoul Castro, the brother of 553 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: Fidel Castro, who is not the quote unquote present, but 554 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: it is the de facto communist leader on a Daytay 555 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 1: basis there in Havana. Now, is this situation where for 556 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: these four Americans were killed by the Cuban military. There 557 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: is this going to lead to a Maduro extraction type operation. 558 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: There is America try going to try to do the 559 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: Bay of Pigs invasion. It's way too early to tell. 560 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: It is way too early to tell because again we 561 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: simply do not know any details at all. And as 562 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: I said earlier, right now, what we think is that 563 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: this looks most like some Cuban expats potentially from Little 564 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 1: Havana who decided to watch the movie Rambo and decide 565 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: to get some guns and bullproof vests and try to 566 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: take down some commis, and that obviously had a very 567 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: tragic ending. Because I think anyone could have reasonably foreseen 568 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: that might not be the story, but right now that's 569 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: currently our best operating assumption. So I don't think this 570 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: is necessarily going to lead to a regime change operation 571 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: in Cuba. What I am saying is that there is 572 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 1: any legitimate contender for a true regime change type operation 573 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 1: in the Western Hemisphere, or Cuba is the obvious obvious 574 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: contender for them. This is an island miles off our shores. 575 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: They've been a huge, huge pain in our rear ends 576 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: for six and a half freaking decades. 577 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 4: Now. 578 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: They are cozy with all the worst actors in the world. 579 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: They allow Chinese spying and surveillance to happen there from Cuba. 580 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: They're super close with the with the Chavez Maduro comedis 581 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: down in Krocas in Venezuela, with Lamar, Pune and Russia. 582 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: They're all the world's worst actors. A Ron Hazbola you 583 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 1: name it there. If it's in very neatly with Donald 584 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: Trump's Monroe doctrine, which they're reasserting there, we'll see what 585 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: Mark Rubio is cooking up. I have no doubt that 586 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: he's cooking up something quite fine, if I had to 587 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 1: speculate when it comes to his conversations with Roald Castro's grandson. 588 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: I don't think that this will lean necessarily to anything imminsely, 589 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: but certainly keep your eyes on it, that is for sure. Well, 590 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: speaking of totalitarian regimes as well, it's not just the communists, 591 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: of course, it's it's very much also the Islamis. We're 592 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: currently tracking the talks over in Switzerland between Wikoff and 593 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: Kushner and their Runnian counterparts there. We're also very closely 594 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,120 Speaker 1: tracking the islmust information operation currently metasticizing on the American 595 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: Ryan in general. And to that end, after or a 596 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: short mercier break're gon we're gonna bring on Robert Spencer, 597 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: director of Jihad Watch, to talk about all of that 598 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: and much more, a veritable expert on these on these topics, 599 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:08,640 Speaker 1: so folks stay with us to do a quick break. 600 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 1: Robert Spencer on the other side, welcome back. So another 601 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 1: great gust for you to close out our show this evening. 602 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: Robert Spencer is a very wise man. He's also the 603 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: director of ji Hot Watch at the David Horworitz Freedom Center. 604 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: He's also it's a bit of a mouthful, he's my 605 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: fellow Shilman fellow at the Freedom Center. We're I'm proud 606 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: to call him my colleagues. So Robert, thanks to joining 607 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: the program. We really do appreciate it. We'll get to 608 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: a ron a little bit late in the conversation, time permitting, 609 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: but for now, I want I wanted to lead with 610 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: your expertise on the religion and piece on Islam itself 611 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: and perhaps above all in this current moment, what Islam 612 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: and was shril Shriel Law says, and I guess also 613 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: does not say when it comes to so called infidels 614 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: about Christians, Jews and others. I know you see this, Robert, 615 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: what I see, which is there's been this whole in 616 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: information operation to try to reinject Islam within the currents 617 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: of the American right and perhaps the Western rights. You 618 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: have Andrew Tate who converted to Islam. You have Tucker Carlson, 619 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: who was viewing all sorts of pro Sria pro Islamic propaganda, 620 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: and I want to bring you on related to set 621 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: the record straight. So I'm just going to turn over 622 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: to you here. Can you remind us what Islam and 623 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: Shria actually says about those who do not subscribe to 624 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: their own Shia supremacists, ideologies and tenets. 625 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 6: Absolutely, Josh, there is a mandate in Islamic law that 626 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 6: is unique among the religions of the world to call 627 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 6: for warfare against those who do not believe in order 628 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 6: to subjugate them under the hegemony of this law, which 629 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 6: is political as well as religious, and that is a 630 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 6: core element of Islam. It's been acted upon for fourteen 631 00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 6: hundred years. It's not a twisted, hijacked version of Islam 632 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 6: held by a tiny minority of extremists. It is taught 633 00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 6: by all the mainstream sects and schools of prudence without 634 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 6: any exception. And this is something that is completely obscured 635 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 6: nowadays by these ridiculous discourses from Tucker and Candace and 636 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 6: the like that claim that it's really all a siop 637 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 6: by Israel and Islam is benign and Cuddley. You have 638 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,600 Speaker 6: to have not been paying attention to the last twenty 639 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 6: five years with forty eight thousand Islamic jihad attacks around 640 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 6: the world. You have to be completely ignorant of Islamic 641 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 6: history and theology to buy that, But unfortunately there are 642 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 6: quite a few people nowadays who do fit into those categories. 643 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 1: You thought, Robert Spencer on X at Jihadwatch rs Robert, 644 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: I think a lot of folks hear this conversation that 645 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,400 Speaker 1: they say, me, I am very publicly Jewish, and they say, oh, 646 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,240 Speaker 1: it's really just the Jews who are raising the alarm 647 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: about Islam. It's really just the Jews, whether for their 648 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: own personal reasons, whether because they're they're pro Israel there, 649 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: but you yourself are not. You ash shak more broadly 650 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,759 Speaker 1: about how this is not just about the Jews but 651 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: about Christianity. I mean, I'd like to remind my audience 652 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 1: there's this whole thing called the Crusades that happened about 653 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 1: a thousand years ago. So maybe you can kind of 654 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: walk us through briefly some of the histories of the 655 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: doctrine when it comes to Islamic Christian relations in particular. 656 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, Josh. You know, the Crusades are routinely demonized 657 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 6: in the public discourse today. Again, this is based on 658 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 6: historical ignorance. The reality is that the Crusades were late 659 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 6: and small scale defensive action. After four hundred and fifty 660 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,879 Speaker 6: years of Islamic jihad had rolled up, conquered and islamized 661 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 6: over half of what had been the Christian world before that. 662 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 6: And the mandate in Islam, based on the Qur'an chapter nine, 663 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 6: verse twenty nine, is that Muslims must wage war against 664 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 6: the people of the book, who are primarily Jews and Christians, 665 00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 6: in order to subjugate them under the hegemony of Islamic law. 666 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 6: So Christians have been made war against all throughout Islamic history. 667 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 6: People don't know about the Gates of Vienna sixteen eighty three, 668 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 6: that is the when the Siege of Vienna was broken 669 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 6: in the Islamic advance into Eastern and Central Europe was stopped. 670 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 6: The Battle of tour in seven point thirty two in 671 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 6: the middle of France, where the Islamic advance into Western 672 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 6: Europe was stopped. This was all based on the same 673 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 6: Jiha doctrine that motivated Osama bin Laden, that motivates Hamas 674 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,280 Speaker 6: and that threatens us all today. 675 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: Now there's this new initiative in Congress, and you were 676 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 1: just over there recently to testify for it. It's being 677 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 1: launched by two very patriotic Texas Congressman, Congressman Roy and 678 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,880 Speaker 1: Congressman self. It's calling itself the Sharia Free America Caucus. 679 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: And I believe you were there actually the inaugural hearing 680 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: to testify there we were. Your big takeaways were your actions? 681 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,680 Speaker 1: What is this caucus? And do you feel confident that 682 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: Congress has its eye on the price here when it 683 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,840 Speaker 1: comes to the issue of Islamism and instrues primism in America. 684 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,239 Speaker 6: Well, it was refreshing to see that some Congressmen certainly do, 685 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:07,760 Speaker 6: and that number is growing. And so that's a deeply 686 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 6: encouraging development and I hope it continues. But meanwhile, you 687 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 6: ask the biggest takeaway that was that the Democrats are 688 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 6: relentlessly clueless about this issue. They want to remain clueless. 689 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 6: They are wilfully ignorant and in denial. They continued. They 690 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 6: persistently throughout their questioning of me and others. They showed 691 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,120 Speaker 6: that they assumed that Sharia is just private, personal religious 692 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 6: law that has nothing to do with non Muslims and 693 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:43,280 Speaker 6: has no political no political content, when actually sharia is political, supremacist, expansionist, 694 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 6: aggressive and violent. But they refused, not only refused to 695 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,400 Speaker 6: face that fact, but they just continually waved it away 696 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,200 Speaker 6: as if it were racist and bigoted on its face, 697 00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 6: and refused to look at the evidence. In my statement, 698 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 6: I gave them quotes from some of the leading Islamic 699 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 6: authorities in the world establishing that sharia was political and 700 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 6: a threat to non Muslims, and they just ignored it. 701 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,320 Speaker 1: Robert, do you think it take us back to the 702 00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,600 Speaker 1: right side of the isle for a second here? Do 703 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,280 Speaker 1: you think that this whole Tucker Candice attempt to inject 704 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: a lot of anti Western thought and at times pro 705 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: Islamic thoughts, the attempt to inject this into the mainstream 706 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: of the American rights from your vantage point, especially being 707 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: there in Capitol testifying, there is this getting any purchase, 708 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: any cachet among the elected Republican official class. Theory, is 709 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: this making any inroads in the lives of those who candidly, 710 00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: frankly actually really matter when it comes to these topics, well, the. 711 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 6: People who are running the Sharia Caucus and the people 712 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 6: who are part of it. Obviously, it's not making any 713 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 6: inroads among them, and that's good to see, but there 714 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 6: have been people that it's picked off. Of course, we 715 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 6: know Matt Gates and Marjorie Taylor green fell victim to 716 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:59,480 Speaker 6: these deceptions or who knows what motivated them, but in 717 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 6: any case they are now fronting for these lies. And 718 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 6: there are others on the right in Congress, like Thomas 719 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 6: Massey who seemed to be exponents of them. Massy is 720 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 6: actually on the House subcommittee before which I testified, but 721 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,919 Speaker 6: notably he was not present at this Sharia hearing. 722 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: Well, fair enough and good information there. Rob s Beets 723 00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,920 Speaker 1: again is the didressor of jihadwash. He's also my fellow 724 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 1: Shilman fellow, my colleague of the David Horwitz Freedom Center, Robert, 725 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: I want to turn our attention now also briefly overseas. 726 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,800 Speaker 1: So earlier today on Thursday, was just the latest indirect 727 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 1: meeting between the United States represented by Steve Wikoff and 728 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,840 Speaker 1: Jared Kushner and their Iranian counterparties. Oman continues to be 729 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 1: the mediating party here for one reason or another. The 730 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 1: big question, Robert, for a month and a half now, 731 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 1: really big question, kind of hovering the background, has been 732 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: will he or won't he When it comes to President 733 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,640 Speaker 1: Trump here, how do you see this playing out? And 734 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,839 Speaker 1: perhaps even more to the point, what actually should happen here? 735 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: What should the President I States actually do in this 736 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: particular situation. 737 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,320 Speaker 6: Well, if I were the president, if I'm elected in 738 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 6: twenty twenty eight, then I will immediately make it clear 739 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,040 Speaker 6: that the Iranian regime has to abide by the various 740 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 6: restrictions that have already been enunciated, and that Trump is 741 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 6: standing for now, and that the alternative will be the 742 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,520 Speaker 6: demise of the Islamic regime in Iran, which is unfortunately 743 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 6: not on the table in these negotiations, where they are 744 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,920 Speaker 6: just leaving the Iranian people hanging out to dry, and 745 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 6: so that's unfortunate. But what I think will happen is, 746 00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 6: unfortunately that the Iranian regime will stay in place and 747 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 6: there will be no attack. I hope I'm wrong on this, 748 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,000 Speaker 6: but Witkoff recently said, why aren't the Iranians backing down? 749 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 6: The President doesn't understand why they haven't capitulated. Well, that 750 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 6: betrays a lack of understanding regarding the motivating ideology that 751 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 6: animates that they're not going to stand down. They're not 752 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 6: going to surrender. They're not going to give an inch 753 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 6: because they believe that they are acting upon divine commands. 754 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 6: And you don't negotiate away the Ten Commandments, you don't 755 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,479 Speaker 6: negotiate away the divine commands that Iran thinks it has 756 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,920 Speaker 6: and thinks it's acts standing upon. And so they are 757 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 6: going to keep trying to destroy Israel and America for 758 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 6: that matter, And this negotiation, the whole business is just 759 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 6: a delaying tactic. 760 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,719 Speaker 1: It certainly is. And that's very much how we see 761 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: it here in the show too. I really hope you're wrong. 762 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 1: Quote it's worth when it comes to no action, frankly, 763 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 1: not just the United States, also for President Trump his 764 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: own personal credibility as manner in chief, who I think 765 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: would disastrously plummet if there reads no action after all 766 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,719 Speaker 1: this build up, after all this bluster, after all this 767 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,239 Speaker 1: braggadocio and so forth. There anyway, folks, you see rober 768 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,480 Speaker 1: Spencer a very very smart man. Follow him on x 769 00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: at g Hodwatch RS. He's the director of g Hotwatch 770 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: at the David horce Froom Center. Robert, you're a beav 771 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 1: of knowledge. We appreciate you joining the show today. 772 00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,399 Speaker 6: Thank you so much, thank you, joh