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Speaker 2: I remember praying during that time, going, Lord, like, what's

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Speaker 2: the goodness in that?

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Speaker 1: You know what, what's the goodness in that sort of suffering?

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Speaker 1: What does it? What does it mean? What does it avail?

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Speaker 1: You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was like, I'm just struggling a little

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Speaker 2: bit that he struggled so much for so many years,

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Speaker 2: and like, Yeah, what's the point.

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Speaker 3: And Welcome to Love Life Sober. I'm your host and

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Speaker 3: your coach, Christy Osborne. This podcast is for the woman

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Speaker 3: who loves Jesus or is longing to reconnect with him,

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Speaker 3: and who knows deep down that alcohol is no longer

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Speaker 3: serving her. Here we talk honestly, with grace and truth

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Speaker 3: about how stepping away from alcohol opens the door to

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Speaker 3: the love, joy, peace, and connection you've been searching for. Because, Babe,

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Speaker 3: those things were never meant to be found in a

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Speaker 3: bottle of wine. They're found in Jesus. Through scripture, coaching

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Speaker 3: and neuroscience, I'll help you make sense of your habits,

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Speaker 3: your nervous system, and what you're really craving so that

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Speaker 3: freedom feels not only possible, but sustainable. You don't have

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Speaker 3: to do this alone, Babe. Let's dive in welcome back

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Speaker 3: to Love Life Sober. I'm really excited to share this

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Speaker 3: conversation today with my friend Rina Bauering. She has just

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Speaker 3: become a dear friend of mine, even though she's all

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Speaker 3: the way in Australia and I'm in the UK, which

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Speaker 3: makes our time zones not ideal, but she has just

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Speaker 3: come alongside me and helped me coach through. I think

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Speaker 3: this coming June fast will be our fifth or sixth

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Speaker 3: forty day fast that we're coaching together.

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Speaker 1: And Rena is just the real deal.

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Speaker 3: She has such a bright light for Jesus, and she

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Speaker 3: has that bright light having walked through some incredibly difficult times.

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Speaker 3: Before we talk about today's episode, I just want to

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Speaker 3: remind you that we are coaching through Love Life Sober,

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Speaker 3: a forty day alcohol fast. We're kicking off on June first.

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Speaker 3: The community space is opening on May twenty first, and

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Speaker 3: alongside Rena, whose story you're going to hear today, we

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Speaker 3: have Susan and Maureen, two other incredible, incredible coaches, all

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Speaker 3: who are going to walk through a forty day alcohol

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Speaker 3: fast with you beginning June first. There's going to be

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Speaker 3: four calls a week. They are recorded. You can't make

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Speaker 3: them live. We have a variety of time zones to

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Speaker 3: hope that you can make them live, including Rena, who

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Speaker 3: is coaching all the way from Sydney, So please check

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Speaker 3: out the link to join us. In the show notes,

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Speaker 3: we would love to walk through a forty day fast

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Speaker 3: with you. It is such a special thing that we

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Speaker 3: get to do together, and the transformation and the friendships

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Speaker 3: that we see during this six weeks is just such

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Speaker 3: a blessing. So Rena's story is again powerful and raw,

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Speaker 3: and today we're going to talk about what happens when

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Speaker 3: life just completely unravels and how God meets you right

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Speaker 3: there in it. From early struggles with alcohol, definding freedom

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Speaker 3: in Christ, and then walking through unimaginable grief with her

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Speaker 3: father's passing and a cancer diagnosis, Rena shares how she

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Speaker 3: stayed anchored in her faith without numbing out. If you've

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Speaker 3: ever wondered how to walk through pain without escaping it,

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Speaker 3: this episode will meet you right where you are.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about.

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Speaker 3: The rule anxiety and belonging played in Rena's early drinking patterns,

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Speaker 3: what it looks like to finally surrender alcohol and find

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Speaker 3: lasting freedom, the difference between mindset tools, and the power

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Speaker 3: of prayer and community, how to handle moments when you

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Speaker 3: and what it really means to trust God's will in real,

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Speaker 3: everyday life. If you've ever thought, how do I trust

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Speaker 3: God when everything feels like it's falling apart, then, my friend,

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Speaker 3: this episode is for you. Here is my conversation with

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Speaker 3: my beautiful, beautiful, wonderful friend, Rina Bauering.

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Speaker 1: Hi, my friend, I love you. I love you. I

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Speaker 1: am so happy that we get to do this, even

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Speaker 3: I am so happy that you're here. I feel like

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Speaker 3: knowing you has been one of the biggest blessings of

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Speaker 1: Watching the way that.

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Speaker 3: You have navigated everything that happened turning to alcohol beforehand,

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Speaker 1: Just been such an honor to watch, Babe.

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Speaker 3: I'm just so in awe of you and yeah, glad

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Speaker 3: So for the gals that maybe don't know the beautiful arena,

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Speaker 2: So I started drinking from a really young age, just

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Speaker 3: I feel like you probably get this question all the time,

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Speaker 2: That then amounts to for me that that freedom from

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Speaker 1: It doesn't even help me socially. I just didn't want

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Speaker 2: I was so happy to not be so fixated in

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Speaker 2: my mind. But that is going to look different for

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Speaker 2: absolutely everybody. I think the key thing is just to

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Speaker 2: keep keep being curious about it for yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: You get certified, you start coaching, and how long did

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Speaker 3: that go on before things got hard again?

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Speaker 2: So, I mean this is the thing. Things were hard,

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Speaker 2: like I remember waking up like I was daring all

444
00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 2: the testing phases, and it was like I would wait

445
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 2: up two or three.

446
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 1: In the morning.

447
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: Just like panicking. And I'd go out for a walk

448
00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 2: just to get out. And we live near the ocean,

449
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 2: it's really beautiful. And you had put me on too

450
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 2: for as Frank and I was so in love with

451
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 2: this album Child of God, and I would just be

452
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: blaring his music and it was such a contradiction feeling

453
00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 2: the way I felt, but you know, hearing his like happy,

454
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: happy songs, and it was exactly what I needed because

455
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: it was like speaking light into that sort of darkness.

456
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 2: It was speaking truth and to me, it was like

457
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 2: lifting my spirits. It was it was helping me look

458
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: at God in that time, and it really helped me

459
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 2: a lot. It was it was literally like just the

460
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 2: road being pulled out from under me. I was grieving

461
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 2: a lot. I was grieving my dad.

462
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: There was just felt such a loss over.

463
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 2: The year that I all the plans that I had,

464
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, which was weird, especially with work, Like I

465
00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: felt so much grief over work, Like every single client

466
00:23:58,840 --> 00:23:59,359
Speaker 2: that I had to.

467
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 1: Let go, Yeah, I'm sure, I am so devastated.

468
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: Every single thing that I had to sort of transfer

469
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: over or let go of just felt like such a loss,

470
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 2: particularly on.

471
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:14,600
Speaker 1: The work side.

472
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: And you know, I was meant to be going studying

473
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: a spiritual direction and I had to let that go.

474
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 2: And it was just like one thing after the other,

475
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 2: and I realized, Okay, the only thing that I need

476
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: to do this year is just focus on this one thing,

477
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 2: which I was also very fortunate to.

478
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 1: Be able to do because a lot of people can't

479
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 1: do that.

480
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 2: A lot of people are got very young kids, or

481
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: have to work or have to do all these things.

482
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,399
Speaker 1: So I was fortunate that I could do that.

483
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

484
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: Then I started chemo, and I was scary.

485
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 2: They meet with you and the nurse like goes through

486
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 2: this like six page document of potential like really really

487
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: bad side effects and you're just sitting there going please please.

488
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: It's funny. I had this thought like, imagine they did

489
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 1: that for alcohol, like before you.

490
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 2: Start drinking, right, I actually take you like that, here's

491
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 2: all the potential side effects. I mean, I would be

492
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: just as scary. But I was like, okay, no, it's fine.

493
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: And then started chemo and it was like two phase.

494
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 2: The first phase was the more intense sort of type

495
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 2: of chemotherapy, and then the next phase was meant to

496
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: be easier.

497
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: It's like, okay, I just have.

498
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 2: To get through the eight weeks of the first phase,

499
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 2: and yeah, it was you know, it's one of those

500
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: things where again your mind placed so many tricks on you,

501
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 2: like the a lot of the thoughts about things are

502
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,639
Speaker 2: so much worse than the actual like going through it,

503
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 2: even though it sucked, but it's it's it's in the

504
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: mind that it's the worst, right, And I feel like

505
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,880
Speaker 2: throughout all that time there was so much graces because

506
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: every single day would be getting either something in the

507
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: mail like a hand written card, or somebody had sent

508
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: me something, or I would wake up and there would

509
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: be on my WhatsApp like prayers from somebody either in

510
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: the community or somebody else. You know, there were people praying,

511
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,400
Speaker 2: like from people that I had met in America. I've

512
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: gotten their whole churches all over the world to pray,

513
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: and my friends in South Africa were getting all of

514
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: their churches to pray.

515
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 1: So the amount of prayer, it was like just saturated

516
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 1: in prayer.

517
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 2: And every day there was like something that like somebody

518
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 2: taking care of me in some way. And I think

519
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,479
Speaker 2: for somebody who is a super super independent person, one

520
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: of the hardest things is sort of letting other people

521
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 2: take care of you yeah, you know, in those in

522
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 2: those stages, but it was such a huge, huge, huge

523
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: gift the relationships that came out of that. Like there

524
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 2: were people, there was some people who get super awkward

525
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: and just sort of disappear just.

526
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: Understand of all.

527
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 2: They just didn't know what to say, they didn't know

528
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: what to do, you know, and it's fine. But then

529
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 2: these other people, like these gens just like come out

530
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: of nowhere. And I had so many, so so many

531
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: people both virtual, like you know, the people that are

532
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 2: all over the world that I know, but also in

533
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 2: the community, you know, the moms of the school and

534
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: the school itself, and you know, there'd be people, there'd

535
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: be meals just showing up on my doorstep often, you know,

536
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 2: there'd be people just showing up to take my kids

537
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 2: out because they knew that it was hard for me

538
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: to get my kids to sport or to do much.

539
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: Things with them.

540
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: So you just like when everything comes down to it,

541
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: like the people in our life are so so so important,

542
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 2: and the little things that we do we don't realize

543
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: like how much that can mean.

544
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 1: Just a prayer or a message or a showing care

545
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: in some way.

546
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 2: And I really realized that I don't think I'd been

547
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: such a good friend in the past.

548
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: I really don't, because I.

549
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 2: Tend to get very fixated on my own goals and

550
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 2: my own work and my own everything, and so it

551
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 2: was really something that I was like, Wow, I want

552
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: to be a better friend. God, I want to be

553
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 2: the type of person that shows up for other people

554
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: in this way.

555
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: Because I was just so blessed through it. It was incredible.

556
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: We'll be back right after a quick word from our sponsors.

557
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: All the things the hair fell out, and.

558
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: The treatment now is so much better than it was,

559
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: and they can medicate basically anything.

560
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: It's amazing, like how far has come.

561
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: Then got through that and into the second stage of

562
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: the chemo, and that was better. The first couple of

563
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 2: weeks was so much better. I was like, oh, okay,

564
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 2: I can do this, get through the end of like

565
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: the fivepence of chemo. But then it was towards the

566
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: like six or seventh week, I just started to have

567
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: like body aches everywhere.

568
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: I wasn't sleeping.

569
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I got shoved into menopause and

570
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 2: I just had like this really heightened sense of anxiety

571
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 2: and I didn't know if it was anxiety or it

572
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: was also the medication. Like I just felt like my

573
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: chest was so tight all the time and I couldn't

574
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: breathe and my heart was pulpitating all the time, and

575
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: my doctor sent me for all the hard tests and everything,

576
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: like your heart is fine, okay, great, and.

577
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what's happening, but I'm not having a

578
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: heart attack.

579
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: There's really like very weird and surprising side effects, like

580
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 2: you know, like losing all your nose hairs and then

581
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: like your nose is spontaneously bleeds all the time because

582
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: you have no nose. It was like really weird things

583
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: like losing all your arm hairs and stuff. It's like

584
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 2: it's really odd. But that stage when I was, yeah,

585
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 2: really struggling with the sleep and small to tummy issues

586
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: and I was just I was just.

587
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: In a really bad way.

588
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 2: That's when I reached out to you guys and sensing

589
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: the leadership team, and I just shared like what was

590
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: going on and how I was feeling.

591
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: And it was so just so interesting to me, like

592
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: with all the tools that we have.

593
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: You know, like manage your mind and navigate emotions and

594
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: regulate yourself and look after yourself and all these things.

595
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 1: It was great, but what I needed was prayer.

596
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 2: And you know, like almost immediately all of these ladies

597
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 2: like reached out and said, you know, they're praying for me.

598
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: And immediately I started to feel better.

599
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: And the next day I had a complete shift in

600
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: how I was feeling, like completely I felt I was

601
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: still physically felt all the same things, none of that

602
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 2: had improved, but I felt such a sense of peace

603
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: almost joy. It was weird. I was like happy and

604
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 2: that was just prayer. I was like I could feel it,

605
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 2: like I was just covered in prayer. That was just

606
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: so huge. I was just blown away by that, and

607
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 2: it just like reinforced so much for me that nothing

608
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 2: beats like community and the body of Christ, and that

609
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 2: the effect of prayer can have is just amazing. You know.

610
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 2: Whilst I was still feeling the sort of heart and

611
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: the breathing stuff, it brought up a lot of grief

612
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: from my dad, and because he had COPD, which was

613
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: like a lung disease and he struggled to breathe for

614
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: like four years.

615
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: It was amazing to watch him because he.

616
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 2: Was just the most grateful person I know, even when

617
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: he was like, you know, struggling to do anything that

618
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: he could do before.

619
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: I just like I remember praying during that time, going ud,

620
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 1: like what's the goodness in that?

621
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah?

622
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what's the goodness in that sort of suffering?

623
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

624
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: What does it? What does it mean? What does it avail?

625
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 2: You know?

626
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: Yeah?

627
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 2: And because I was like I'm just struggling a little bit,

628
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: but he struggled so much for so many years, and

629
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: like the point and I really just had such a

630
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 2: relation of it was over a course of a couple

631
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 2: of days where it's just sort of like really opened

632
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: up for me and it was like we'll never really

633
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: fully know like the meaning of it all, like until

634
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 2: we get to heaven and.

635
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: It all is revealed.

636
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: But it was like in all of that, I was

637
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: so with him, like with with him, like more than

638
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 2: we can understand is with us in that suffering. And

639
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: it's like not just one time on the cross, it's

640
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: like with us right now. So it's like I'm not

641
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: just allowing suffering. I'm actually suffering with you. Like as

642
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: much as you did it to these little ones, you

643
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 2: did it unto me, you know. And He's like, because

644
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 2: this greater purpose, like it's not just about this life.

645
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: There's there's eternity. That God is concerned of our eternity.

646
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: That was such a comfort to me. Yeah, It's like,

647
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: I don't think we can ever comprehend just how much

648
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: God is with us in it all, and as far

649
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: as I can tell, and I think there's lots of

650
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: different suffering and for lots of different reasons, and only

651
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: God knows all of it. But my own personal suffering

652
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: has largely been to sort of help release me from

653
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 2: the things that I get attached to that are not God.

654
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: And it's all been, and I was, you know, I

655
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: was lucky that I knew that from the alcohol, because

656
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: I knew that God had used that for infinitely greater

657
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: than I could ever have imagined. Like I just wanted

658
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 2: to stop drinking and not crave it all the time.

659
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: That was all I wanted. That He and his infinite

660
00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: goodness gave me a mission of purpose, you know, so

661
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 2: much freedom in so many ways. Community he restored all

662
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: my relationships, like he came so much of himself, Like

663
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: he did infinitely good with that.

664
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: But I probably still won't even understand.

665
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, even with this, I feel like he was sort

666
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 2: of peeling me away from my super attach to.

667
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: Doing things like my plans, my work.

668
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: It's like, actually, maybe that's not what I'm here for,

669
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: Like those are just nice things we get to do,

670
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So that was a real

671
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: gift sort of seeing that and knowing that he was

672
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: with me in such a way. I started to feel

673
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,959
Speaker 2: really repentant about a lot of decisions I had made

674
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: because of that, Because of that, a sort of attachment

675
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: to work, like I had missed being there for the

676
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: last moments of my dad's life because I was finishing

677
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: up something and and just had to do this and that,

678
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 2: and then I was going to get there and there

679
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: wasn't time. And there's nothing I can go back and

680
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: do about that. But what I can see is that

681
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: I was sort of praying, and of course I wasn't

682
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: praying this, but this was the meaning behind my prayers.

683
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: It's like mine will be done, you know.

684
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: I think I think we pray like this a lot,

685
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: where it's like by faith, this is what I want,

686
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: by faith, and I believe God's going to be with me.

687
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hadn't spent a lot.

688
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: Of time trying to work out what actually God wanted,

689
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, what his will was, what he was wanting

690
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: me to do, and so I became really like interested

691
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: in like, okay, well, like, how.

692
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: Do I know what your will is? Lord? Yeah? I

693
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: got to re seal of this now. Yeah. I was

694
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: praying about it a lot, and.

695
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 2: I have a spiritual direction director myself, and I meet

696
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 2: up with her every month and that was really really

697
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: helpful for me, and I you know, I started to

698
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: learn that I hate sitting in the discomfort of like

699
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 2: not having the decision made.

700
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: So if there's like a decision to make, I just

701
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: want to make it. And usually I go on my

702
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: own gut feeling. Yeah me too. Yeah, And I thought

703
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: it was like.

704
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 2: Well, okay, well that hasn't worked for me very well

705
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 2: because I've made the wrong decisions a lot and.

706
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: It has had huge repercussions.

707
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: Yea. And that verse and when we're doing the bubble

708
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: recap was like all have fallen short and everyone had

709
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: done what was good in their own eyes, and that

710
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 2: verse like hit me like a ton of bricks. I

711
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: was like, that's me, you know, like that rebellious, rebellious

712
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: spirit of the thirteen year old. Even after letting go

713
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: of alcohol, I was still doing what I wanted. And

714
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: I think we in this sort of secular world. There's

715
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 2: this sort of thing about like all the answers and

716
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: the wisdom is inside of you, like, and I was like, wow, well,

717
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: the God's word says the heart is deceitdful above all

718
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: all else.

719
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 3: You know.

720
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 2: And so it's like, Okay, I just I don't want

721
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 2: to do what I want to do anymore. Lord, I

722
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: have had enough of that. I I just want to

723
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: do what you want me to do. Yeah, and yeah,

724
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: I think that was one of the big races that

725
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 2: came out of all of it as well. And I've

726
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: learned that I need to sit in the discomfort of

727
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: the not having the decision made for a while. God

728
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: does come through. He does give us his word. He

729
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: does give us direction and peace about a certain thing.

730
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 2: And wisdom, yeah, wisdom, yes, through his word, through prayer,

731
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 2: through others, through so many ways. And I think one

732
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 2: of the most beautiful things is I read this book

733
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 2: at that time. It was called He Leadeth Me by

734
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 2: Walter Kizzk and was about this Jesuit priest who goes

735
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 2: into this war camp for like twenty three years. He's

736
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: you know, unjustly captivated, and all the horrible things that

737
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 2: he goes through. But in the Catholic Church is this

738
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: tradition of this morning offering where you basically say, Lord Jesus,

739
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: you know, I offer up my prayers, works, choice and

740
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: sufferings of this day. And how he was learning how

741
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: to live that in this prison camp and how it

742
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 2: came alive for him and basically it was like the

743
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 2: word of God is discerned mostly in the very people, places, circumstances,

744
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: and things that are happening in this day, Like that

745
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 2: is literally God's will for us.

746
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: Like you know that annoying person that cuts you off.

747
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: In the road, or your kid having a tantrum or

748
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 2: you know being laid or whatever. It's like like that's

749
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: God's will for you to be right there in that

750
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 2: moment doing that very thing that you're trying to avoid doing,

751
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 2: you know, trying to get to your own plan. And

752
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 2: there was some thing when that sort of sunk in,

753
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, okay, I can just let go because

754
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 2: like literally, if I trust in God in the moment

755
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: the very things. It sounds simple in the moment, but

756
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: you know you try and practice that for a day

757
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 2: and you like you falter like a hundred times, going

758
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: and doing your own thing, but it's just like, oh,

759
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: there I go again, and then I come back to

760
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 2: God and like, oh, it just redirects me. But when

761
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 2: I started to sort of live like that, like, Okay,

762
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: this cancer thing is God's will for me right now,

763
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 2: and that's okay.

764
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,760
Speaker 1: Like I don't think he wants me to have cancer.

765
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 2: I think he was really sad that I had cancer

766
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: like a mother is when her child is, you know, ill,

767
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 2: but he uses it and so he's like, can you

768
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 2: just accept it and let me use it? And you

769
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: kind of just have to sit back and just go

770
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 2: like literally day by day, literally next minute by next minute,

771
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 2: and a lot of my anxietyxiety just fell away because

772
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 2: I was like I'm no longer worried about recurrence for

773
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,919
Speaker 2: the things that are I or anything like that, because

774
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,800
Speaker 2: it was like, if it does, then God will be

775
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: there and he'll get me through that and he'll do

776
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: something marvelous with it. So I don't have to worry

777
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 2: about it. And I've just been really really freeing on

778
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: a different level. And yeah, all the glory to him.

779
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 3: When I had my surgery will be back right after

780
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 3: a quick word from our sponsors.

781
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Speaker 1: The I had the cancer was quite big.

782
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: It was like seven seentimeters in my breast, and the

783
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: chemotherapy had shrunk it by fifty percent, but not like

784
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 2: from the edges. It was like bits and pieces throughout,

785
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 2: so the overall space was still quite large.

786
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: That they had to remove.

787
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 2: And my doctor was making me, you know, preparing me

788
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: that there was quite a large possibility that they wouldn't

789
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 2: get at all and then I'd have to have a

790
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: double mistectomy and potentially further treatment.

791
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 1: But by the grace of God, by this time, like

792
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: it did not worry me at all.

793
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 2: Like I didn't even pray, which is weird, right, I

794
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 2: didn't feel the need to pray for healing from that.

795
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:08,800
Speaker 2: I didn't feel the need to pray, like, Lord, please

796
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 2: help them remove all of it. This was for this situation.

797
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: It might be different in a different situation. But by

798
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 2: this stage I was just like I felt fully accepting

799
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: of whatever was going to happen. It was just such

800
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 2: an odd thing.

801
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, oh, it's beautiful, mab it's beautiful.

802
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 1: It was just mind blowing really.

803
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: But then in God's goodness, you know, like when I

804
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 2: walked into the sogeon's office after she was giving my

805
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 2: pathology results, and she was like, are.

806
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: You praying for you and you have the best results?

807
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: Oh, She's like I couldn't even think of any better

808
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: results than they had gotten everything.

809
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: And I was just like walked out of there and

810
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: called my husband and I was just like so happy.

811
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: And then I got into the car and I put

812
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 2: a song on and it was ce C Williams The Goodness.

813
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: Of God, and I was just like blowing my eyes

814
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: out and I was just so so like.

815
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: Like that moment of gratitude. I can't even like explain it.

816
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: It was just like washing over me, you know, it.

817
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 1: Was just so good.

818
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh babe, I just love you so much and

819
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 3: everything that you learned and all the gifts that you

820
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: got to spot, and all the times that you felt

821
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: Jesus so near to you. Like as your friend, I'm like, oh,

822
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: it sucks that you had to go through that, obviously,

823
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 3: but like your perspective right on what he was doing

824
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 3: in your life and what he was teaching you, and

825
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: now how you're going to help others with this story,

826
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 3: you know, Like I just as you said, like I

827
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 3: don't know why he does what he does, but like

828
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 3: when we're in that posture of like Okay, God, whatever

829
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 3: it is, Like I said a similar prayer like in

830
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: the fall of last year.

831
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like I don't know, just tell me where

832
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 1: you want me, Like where do you want me to go?

833
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 3: You know, And he gives us such unique circumstances to

834
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 3: get us to that point of like surrender, like this

835
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: is what surrender is.

836
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: You're gonna follow me.

837
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: And when you were talking about wanting to live your

838
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 3: own life and your own plans and make your decisions,

839
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: like I just so so relate to that. Your story

840
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: is such a beautiful reminder that just to slow down,

841
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: slow down and like see what he has for you,

842
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: because maybe it's different. And when I hear like your

843
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 3: story and like Marine's story and like doctor Lee Warren's

844
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 3: story of these like just crazy, tragic but beautiful, Like.

845
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just.

846
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 3: It got so good, you know, even though it doesn't

847
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: make sense, Like it doesn't make sense.

848
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: Like why you had to go through all that.

849
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: But I'm so glad that you were able to just

850
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: come here and talk about it because it's gonna help somebody,

851
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,280
Speaker 3: and it's gonna help with lots of people, let's be honest.

852
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

853
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: I'm just rambling because I'm so grateful for you and

854
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: that was so beautiful, babe, Like you're amazing.

855
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 1: Trust me, I'm not. I'm not amazing. I know what

856
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: you mean. I am the most like flawed, crazy human.

857
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: But but because you have Jesus in you and your

858
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 3: light is so bright, you are like you are amazing

859
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 3: because I know what you mean. It's not you, it's

860
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 3: Jesus through you, right, It's the Holy Spirit through you.

861
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: It's being able to come together and like say all

862
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: of the words and tell the story that you just

863
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 3: did in a way of completely honoring him and the

864
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 3: way that he's been with you through it, with everything

865
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 3: your parents and cancer and like.

866
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: All of it, babe, and just I'm just so grateful.

867
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 1: I'm just so grateful. I'm so grateful for you.

868
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: I really am, and I'm sorry appreciative of the opportunity

869
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: to come and talk about everything that he's done.

870
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: And the amazing thing is that when he says my

871
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: burden is like you know, it really is. When we

872
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: sort of like give up.

873
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,839
Speaker 2: All of those plans and our ways and the things

874
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 2: that we want to do our way, it's so much

875
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: lighter it is so much easier, and his goodness is

876
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 2: just unfathomable. It's like it's like trying to put the

877
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: ocean into a little bucket. It's like it's just so

878
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 2: much bigger than our friends can fathom. And I think

879
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 2: if we can look at all our circumstances just through

880
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 2: his goodness, it's become so evident his fingerprints through everything everywhere.

881
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, your a unique story, you know, got you to

882
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 3: the place where you can turn around and say that

883
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 3: for real, you know, but like now to be able

884
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 3: to say what that really looks like, you know, will

885
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: help so many other gals.

886
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: So thank you, babe, Oh God, thank you. I really

887
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: appreciate you. Yeah, like wise, babe.

888
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 3: And so if you're interested in like hanging out with Rena,

889
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 3: like tell us where to find you. And if you're

890
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 3: in the love life Sober community, you probably already know

891
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 3: this beautiful friend and she coaches like hallelujah, thank the

892
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: Lord alongside me. And it's just such a gift. And

893
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 3: so tell the people where they can hang out with you,

894
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,280
Speaker 3: where they can find.

895
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: It's such a gift for me.

896
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 2: Well, they can come hang out with me and love

897
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: life sober. I'm there come and see all the amazing girls.

898
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: There's such a such a gift. But you know, you

899
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 2: can also find me on my website, Alcohol Freedom dot

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00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: com dot au. Come connect with us, like very fun

901
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: over here with us.

902
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: It's a beautiful it's a beautiful community. And just I'm

903
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 3: just so grateful for you. I mean, you like were

904
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: holding at one point. I remember a connection call with

905
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 3: like one other person on it.

906
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: You're so good we became.

907
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 2: That was really good. I mean there's nothing better like

908
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: it's like this and you just get to hang out

909
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 2: with I have not met one of the ladies in

910
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: there that is not blown me away and just sitting

911
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 2: here the conversation with with somebody like that is on

912
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,439
Speaker 2: the same page as you with wanting alcohol to be small,

913
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 2: wanting us to be bigger, and sharing these stories from

914
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: such a such a real perspective and the real conversations

915
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 2: like it's the best, Like it's like.

916
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Speaker 1: You to do that, like isue myself. It's just the best.

917
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Speaker 3: He's been so gracious and like just like all the

918
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Speaker 3: women that like he has just brought And I don't

919
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,240
Speaker 3: even mean that in like a number sense, but actually

920
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: in like you said, the individual like I'm just like,

921
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, this is a You're amazing and everyone

922
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: has such a unique like perspectives and are at different

923
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 3: ages and stages, and like the melting pot of gals

924
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: who are like at the very beginning of our their

925
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 3: alcohol stage or like you know, further on in their

926
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 3: alcohol stage, and then they find freedom.

927
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,480
Speaker 1: And they're like, how can I help you? Gals?

928
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: And I want to just stay and I'm like, yes, please,

929
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 3: and it's.

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Speaker 2: Just amazing, like yeah, it's amazing, like and I think

931
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: that's really like but it's one of those things where

932
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 2: you when you give back, it helps you so much.

933
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, like, oh yeah, I need these reminders.

934
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Speaker 2: And it's like that's I don't know, like if I

935
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: would have been so removed from alcohol, if I was

936
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 2: in these communities and hearing these stories and having that

937
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 2: reinforced all the time, because that's what it's like. Oh yeah,

938
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 2: Like it just reminds me how bad, how bad it

939
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 2: is to be stuck there and how.

940
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: Awful that feeling is, you know.

941
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: All right, well, I will link all the places to

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Speaker 3: find you in the show notes.

943
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Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. I've said it seven thousand times,

944
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: but I love you so much.

945
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: I love you.

946
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: One day, I'm going to give you the biggest hug

947
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 1: I know.

948
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:57,280
Speaker 3: All right, gals, we will see you next week. Thanks

949
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Speaker 3: for listening, Thank you for spending this time with me

950
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 3: on Love Life Sober. If today's conversation stirred something in

951
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: your heart, don't rush past it, take it to prayer.

952
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 3: If you're feeling ready for deeper connection and support, I'd

953
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 3: love to invite you into the love Life Sober community,

954
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 3: a grace filled, shame free space where real connection grows

955
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: and lasting change takes root. You can find the link

956
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 3: to join us in the show notes. Love Life Sober

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Speaker 3: is part of the Life Audio podcast network, where faith

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Speaker 3: centered podcasts help you grow deeper in your walk with Christ.

959
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 3: You can find more faith centered podcasts at lifeaudio dot com.

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Speaker 3: Until next time, be gentle with yourself, stay curious, and

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Speaker 3: trust God's promises. He has freedom waiting for you.