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Speaker 3: All right, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show. It is
Speaker 3: January twenty seventh, twenty twenty six. We were here in
Speaker 3: the Phoenix studio, myself Andrew Colevitt Blake. We're in Phoenix today. Welcome, Welcome,
Speaker 3: lots to get to the big news of the day
Speaker 3: is this Bavino story. We got to get into it.
Speaker 3: So Blake, why don't you set up the backdrop for
Speaker 3: this and then we'll get into what we know. We've
Speaker 3: been calling people trying to get the inside scoop.
Speaker 4: So Bavino is the He's kind of been the point
Speaker 4: man for a lot of the drama that's been unfolding
Speaker 4: with ice in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: It's almost it's almost.
Speaker 4: Worth reminding people the full arc of how we got here,
Speaker 4: which is, yes, last fall, well, okay, the full full
Speaker 4: arc of how we got here back.
Speaker 3: Do we want to go?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Nineteen you see sixty.
Speaker 4: Four during the last glacial maximum, the glacier has created
Speaker 4: a bunch of lakes in Minnesota, thus making it a
Speaker 4: pleasant place for people to live, and so a bunch
Speaker 4: and it was umbled Finland and Sweden, and so a
Speaker 4: bunch of Finns and Swedes moved to Minnesota and they
Speaker 4: made a great state and it was very pleasant, but
Speaker 4: it was kind of progressive it was a little left
Speaker 4: wing and they have a do gooder impulse to them
Speaker 4: in so a lot of people moved there, including yes,
Speaker 4: many Somalis. They built a big welfare state that has
Speaker 4: started to go a little bit awry, much like the
Speaker 4: one in Sweden. And so we had it was not
Speaker 4: really a coincidence that George Floyd unfolded in Minneapolis. That
Speaker 4: would not have unfolded the way it did if it
Speaker 4: had happened in Atlanta, in Texas.
Speaker 3: In other states.
Speaker 4: It kind of had to happen in Minnesota, and since
Speaker 4: then we've been repeatedly going back there, So that's a
Speaker 4: little set up. Anyway, this past fall we had that
Speaker 4: drama with people, notice the Smali fraud stuff, which has
Speaker 4: been going on for years and in fact been getting
Speaker 4: prosecuted and covered for years early on this, but yet
Speaker 4: we were like feeding our future was going on in
Speaker 4: twenty one and twenty two, and then you remember when
Speaker 4: we had crimew on and he said, yeah, all these
Speaker 4: there's a giant autism scam going on in Minnesota, all
Speaker 4: this fraud, and then lo and behold that was blown up.
Speaker 4: So we had you know, Chris Rufo was covering it.
Speaker 4: And then of course Nick Shirley was covering it as well,
Speaker 4: just the realization, huge, huge surge of attention on it
Speaker 4: of what fraud is going on. And so then ICE,
Speaker 4: which has been pursuing its immigration activities, they sort of
Speaker 4: seized on this. Oh well, let's let's do a surge
Speaker 4: in Minnesota. It's a good symbol of how serious we
Speaker 4: are on finding fraudsters, finding criminals and deporting them. And
Speaker 4: so we have the surge there and Bavino, as you said,
Speaker 4: is he's kind of the on the ground symbolic leader
Speaker 4: of them.
Speaker 3: Like the mascot of Border Patrol. Yeah, which is distinct
Speaker 3: from ICE, which is an important distinction. So you know,
Speaker 3: typically Bavino would not be up in Minneapolis, right, so
Speaker 3: he was brought there as a part of this surge
Speaker 3: to oversee it. He is this kind of folk hero
Speaker 3: among a lot of the Border Patrol. We've got some
Speaker 3: images of of Greg Bit total patriot, by the way,
Speaker 3: total patriot. But things have gone awry and there is
Speaker 3: infighting within some of the ranks of ICE Border Patrol.
Speaker 3: Even there's different opinions at the administration. But here's what
Speaker 3: I can tell you is that everybody's committed to the
Speaker 3: president's immigration agenda. That's what I have ascertained. I've been
Speaker 3: calling around asking my sources up there. Everybody's committed to it,
Speaker 3: but there is a difference of tactics, of messaging, of presentation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's just funny how symbolic it is, because
Speaker 4: I believe he's commander of the border patrol, and so
Speaker 4: it is a little funny that he was there. But
Speaker 4: what he was is he had that bravado of oh,
Speaker 4: we're here, We're tough. He's like parading around in public
Speaker 4: to show that, frankly, that he's not afraid all the
Speaker 4: ICE people and or the anti ICE protesters, which is
Speaker 4: a big deal because people have openly fantasized about wanting
Speaker 4: this guy shot. They've openly fantasized I think him.
Speaker 3: I believe, Yeah, his family isn't hiding.
Speaker 4: Yes, this guy is a very brave man, and he
Speaker 4: put himself out there for the agenda. But he also,
Speaker 4: as a result, became symbolic of the difficulties that happened
Speaker 4: in Minneapolis, which unfortunately, we've had two shootings, We've had
Speaker 4: a lot of chaos in the city, mostly driven by
Speaker 4: the left of course.
Speaker 3: Well in the New one preddy is I think where
Speaker 3: we're getting a lot of this consternation because listen, I
Speaker 3: will defend ICE all day long. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: I'm going to continue to because I think they're amazing heroes.
Speaker 3: But there are some ICE agents and Border patrol that
Speaker 3: feel like we need a new approach, a we need
Speaker 3: to hit the reset button. In Minneapolis. You see Tom Homan,
Speaker 3: who's been on this show many times. We love Tom.
Speaker 3: I think it's a great it's a great move, great
Speaker 3: mix it up. But Bavino has now So there was
Speaker 3: some confusion yesterday Bovino gets relieved of duty. Did he
Speaker 3: get fired? Did he? Did he? Is he transfer? He
Speaker 3: had transferred, so he's and then his social media was
Speaker 3: shut down. He was mixing it up on social media
Speaker 3: with some lawmakers who were overreacting. By the way, again,
Speaker 3: I basically agree with everything Bovino was saying. He's absolutely
Speaker 3: right to have our ICE agents back, to have border
Speaker 3: patrols back, but some of the details I think were misplaced.
Speaker 3: I think some of the initial reaction was based on
Speaker 3: faulty information about the altercation with Pretty and so there's
Speaker 3: movement happening, right, but he's not been fired, and essentially
Speaker 3: what happened was Boveno was put on ice for a second.
Speaker 3: President Trump put on ice. Yeah, well he was out
Speaker 3: put on. I didn't even mean it. President Trump says,
Speaker 3: this guy's a hero, he's a patriot. He's on the team.
Speaker 3: We're keeping him, keeping him on his post. And so
Speaker 3: he's on his post. But Holman's coming in. He's gonna
Speaker 3: he's gonna shake things up. Why I like this, And
Speaker 3: I will tell you Bovino's an actual operator, right, He's
Speaker 3: he's less of the policy wonk guy, less of the
Speaker 3: architect of it, but he is an absolute architect. He's
Speaker 3: a real tough guy. Bavina is a tough guy too.
Speaker 3: But Tom Homan absolute field general. He's in the he's
Speaker 3: now in the field meeting with people in what we've seen,
Speaker 3: and I think I think the internet's got this all wrong.
Speaker 3: A lot of people were saying President Trump blinked. You know,
Speaker 3: he had this call with fry Frye, he had a
Speaker 3: call with Waltz. What they're doing is a huge, huge deal.
Speaker 3: We are now seeing Minneapolis p D rush in to
Speaker 3: defend federal law enforcement. That's a big change. That's a
Speaker 3: positive change. After the calls with the president. So we're
Speaker 3: seeing movement here, We're seeing a little give and take.
Speaker 3: I do not see anybody saying we're not gonna arrest
Speaker 3: all the illegals. Nobody's saying that we're you. You do
Speaker 3: see a little bit of a worse first messaging. Now,
Speaker 3: as long as that's just the messaging, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 3: And Blake, before we came in to the show today,
Speaker 3: you were making I thought, a really amazing point and
Speaker 3: sometimes I wish you guys could see all of our
Speaker 3: our pre show discussion, but you were basically saying competence
Speaker 3: is what matters. It's not even okay message how you're
Speaker 3: going to message, but we need competence and we need
Speaker 3: to stop being as performative for social media. We just
Speaker 3: need to get the job done. Expound on that point
Speaker 3: if you can. Well.
Speaker 4: So, a lot of the drama that's been happening with
Speaker 4: Ice is I think it's downstream of things the administration
Speaker 4: has done to show that they're serious, and we want
Speaker 4: them to be serious. But what I think Bovino became
Speaker 4: a symbol of is like performative, performative stuff, and some
Speaker 4: of this is stuff I've heard people complain about, like,
Speaker 4: for lack of a better term, some stuff they'll do.
Speaker 4: It's almost like it's intended to look a little cruel
Speaker 4: or callous. And I think it is important to be serious,
Speaker 4: like dead serious. And it's obviously great when they're saying, Oh,
Speaker 4: this person we arrested was a rapist, this person we
Speaker 4: arrested was a criminal. You definitely communicate that seriousness, but
Speaker 4: sometimes it does go a little bit beyond that, and
Speaker 4: that's what ends up like bothering a lot of people. Now,
Speaker 4: you can't allow those people to say, oh, so we're
Speaker 4: going to suspend deportations.
Speaker 3: Now, oh we're gonna pull iceback.
Speaker 4: Oh, deportations are canceled because this made me feel better.
Speaker 4: You don't give in on that point. But you do
Speaker 4: have to be smart about things. And I think totally
Speaker 4: the way Trump is President Trump is reacting to this
Speaker 4: is telling because I think some people really wanted to
Speaker 4: do a bigger pullback. I think some people probably wanted
Speaker 4: Greg Lavino to just be fired and cast.
Speaker 3: Aside, say this whole thing was bad.
Speaker 4: And I think the president's instincts are, no, we can
Speaker 4: swap out personnel, but if I start firing people or
Speaker 4: really signaling a pullback. It's going to shoot, it's going
Speaker 4: to set off this cascade of weakness, whereas with sending
Speaker 4: in Tom Holman. Tom Holman is a longtime professional. He's
Speaker 4: pretty good at the more. He's pretty good at disciplined
Speaker 4: messaging on this, and I think he can say we'll
Speaker 4: have Homan running this operation, and he can communicate what
Speaker 4: our agenda is, that we're focused, that you know, most
Speaker 4: of the people were getting our criminals. That he could
Speaker 4: sort of reset the tone of what's going on without
Speaker 4: pulling back two decisives. Right, we need to talk about
Speaker 4: Second Amendment because this is a thing. It was bubbling
Speaker 4: up yesterday and we didn't really touch it too much,
Speaker 4: but we want to hit it harder today. It's been
Speaker 4: going back and forth. There's been we're sort of seeing
Speaker 4: a reversal of form typically because for years it was
Speaker 4: you'd have the right would sometimes bring guns to protests,
Speaker 4: and obviously there was a lot of hysterics in the
Speaker 4: left is pushing hard for gun control. It's been a
Speaker 4: little different in Minnesota because some of these Antifa people
Speaker 4: are just some of the anti ice people in general
Speaker 4: have been armed, and of course Alex Preddy was armed
Speaker 4: as well, and that seems to have unfortunately caused his death.
Speaker 4: And so there's been a few lines that have been used.
Speaker 4: One of them was from FBI Director Cash Mattel. He
Speaker 4: said this on Sunday. We'll use that as set up.
Speaker 4: Let's play clip to eighty one.
Speaker 1: As Christy said, you cannot bring a firearm loaded with
Speaker 1: multiple magazines to any sort of protests that you want it.
Speaker 3: That's simple. You don't have that right to break the
Speaker 3: law and incite violence.
Speaker 4: And similarly, DHS Secretary of Christina she also said on Saturday,
Speaker 4: I don't know if any peaceful protester who shows up
Speaker 4: with a gun and ammunition rather than a sign, And
Speaker 4: there was some context to that, but she was basically,
Speaker 4: you know, that's what gets clipped. And we've seen that
Speaker 4: a few different times from a few different people.
Speaker 3: And first of.
Speaker 4: All, we have to warn everyone that no, you actually
Speaker 4: you do have the right to bring a gun to
Speaker 4: a protest. Many conservatives have done that, and it would
Speaker 4: be a huge mistake if we suddenly reversed course on that,
Speaker 4: because the left would be overjoyed to team up with
Speaker 4: us to say, oh, you actually can't bring guns to
Speaker 4: protests and then we would permanently forfeit a Second Amendment
Speaker 4: right over a temporary issue. But we do have to
Speaker 4: make sure our messaging on this is good, it is correct,
Speaker 4: and what some people have emailed us in some people
Speaker 4: have commented, they've said, oh, well, you know you're For example,
Speaker 4: they've said you're legally required to tell an officer if
Speaker 4: you're armed or all of that, You're actually not.
Speaker 3: I looked this up.
Speaker 4: In Minnesota, you're required to tell an officer if they ask,
Speaker 4: and that is the most common law in most of
Speaker 4: the US is if a police officer asks whether you
Speaker 4: have a weapon, you have to tell them. But only
Speaker 4: in a few are you affirmatively required to just disclose
Speaker 4: this information if interacting with an officer. But what our
Speaker 4: messaging should instead, I think need to be is this
Speaker 4: is basically actually about gun safety, like responsible gun ownership,
Speaker 4: and if you take a firearms class, they're basically going
Speaker 4: to tell you can't have ego while carrying a gun.
Speaker 4: This is a dangerous item and you have to use
Speaker 4: it responsibly. You are carrying something that if you screw up,
Speaker 4: it can get you killed, it can get other people killed.
Speaker 4: And that's really The tragedy of what happened over the
Speaker 4: weekend in this Ice shooting is that he was getting
Speaker 4: in he'd gone to a protest, and then not only that,
Speaker 4: ended up in a situation where bad stuff could happen.
Speaker 4: And if you're carrying a gun around a bunch of officers
Speaker 4: while people are blowing whistles and people are getting shoved,
Speaker 4: people are getting dragged around, everyone's getting screamed at. The
Speaker 4: officers themselves are worried someone is going to pull a
Speaker 4: gun and attack them, and you're carrying a gun and
Speaker 4: approaching them, it has to enter your thought. There are
Speaker 4: a lot of ways that this could go wrong.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just want to make one thing clear.
Speaker 3: I completely agree with every point you just made. Preddy
Speaker 3: was not at a protest. There was no protest when
Speaker 3: he was shot. The protests arrived after he was shot.
Speaker 3: He was involved in an organized direct action to impede
Speaker 3: federal law enforcement. So let's just get that very very clear.
Speaker 3: Do I think this was a good shooting candidly, like
Speaker 3: you know, probably not okay. But to Blake's point, when
Speaker 3: you take a firearm into public, you are taking a responsibility.
Speaker 3: I made this point yesterday. This is why if you
Speaker 3: have a firearm in your car and you get pulled over,
Speaker 3: you turn the car off, you take the keys, you
Speaker 3: put them on the dash hands at ten to where
Speaker 3: they can see them. The officer approaches your window and
Speaker 3: you say, officer, I have a firearm in this vehicle,
Speaker 3: and the officer goes instantly knows he's working with a
Speaker 3: responsible individual. Okay, when you.
Speaker 4: Don't do this because you're legally required to do this,
Speaker 4: you do this because you're not a moron and you
Speaker 4: don't want to die, and you don't want anyone else
Speaker 4: do You.
Speaker 3: Don't want the cop freaking out. People have to understand something.
Speaker 3: Law enforcement are involved in very risky operations. They are
Speaker 3: pulling over and abduct apprehending traffickers, drug traffickers, cartel members.
Speaker 3: These are some of these are homicie literally been convicted
Speaker 3: of homicide. These are high risk, high tension situations. And
Speaker 3: then they got all these yahoos going around them with
Speaker 3: bells and or ring, blowing uh whistles, shouting profanity, spitting
Speaker 3: at them, throwing ice blocks at them, and they're supposed
Speaker 3: to do their job as if they're cool, calm and
Speaker 3: collecting cools. A cu comper. You are expecting too much.
Speaker 3: So when you go there and you nitpick about the
Speaker 3: way that they do things, listen, I got news for you.
Speaker 3: You put yourself into a position where you have to
Speaker 3: go arrest bad guys and see how well you perform
Speaker 3: under under fire. Okay, when the tension is high, bad
Speaker 3: things happen. The dumbest thing you can then do is
Speaker 3: be like pretty and go into that situation make it
Speaker 3: even more difficult. Throw out this image of Kyle Rittenhouse.
Speaker 3: Are these are the comparisons that are happening. They're saying,
Speaker 3: Kyle Rittenhouse carrying in public. There is this image of
Speaker 3: him approaching law enforcement, hands up. Do you see that
Speaker 3: he's approaching law enforcement. He's putting his hands where the
Speaker 3: police officers can see them, saying, I'm not a threat
Speaker 3: to you, officers, I need your help. I'm not a
Speaker 3: threat because he was coming in respect, because he was
Speaker 3: not their enemy. Pretty unfortunately, I wish he was alive today,
Speaker 3: But he unfortunately was coming at law enforcement and resisting them,
Speaker 3: trying to impede them, signaling that he wasn't their enemy,
Speaker 3: that he was against their actions, and bad things happen. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is very very simple. When you are a firearm owner,
Speaker 3: and if you take that into public, the responsibility is
Speaker 3: on you to make sure law enforcement knows that you
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Speaker 3: further ado, we have the great Chip Roy from the
Speaker 3: state of Texas joining the show. He's out on the road. Uh, Chip,
Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming on. Congressman.
Speaker 2: Yeah, great to be on with you. Guys. Really appreciate
Speaker 2: it here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, thank you so much. So. I saw this
Speaker 3: stat last night. I texted you about it. It's it's
Speaker 3: remarkable and I want you to kind of just like
Speaker 3: a brass tax it for us, for the audience and
Speaker 3: help help everybody understand what's different about Texas versus Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Texas accounts for twenty five percent approximately of the deportations
Speaker 3: under Trump, and I would say about zero percent of
Speaker 3: the drama Minnesota accounts for two percent of the deportations
Speaker 3: and currently about one hundred percent of the drama. Explain it, like,
Speaker 3: I'm five, Why are there? Why is there such a
Speaker 3: huge difference between Minnesota and Texas.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a great question. I think it goes to
Speaker 5: the heart of what we're seeing unfold in Minneapolis, and
Speaker 5: I think the bigger picture that we all need to
Speaker 5: focus on, which I'll get to in a minute, right,
Speaker 5: which is why we need to stay the course. But
Speaker 5: we'll get there in a second. To answer your question,
Speaker 5: the easy answer that the left will thrown at us,
Speaker 5: right is that, oh, well, you've got so many more
Speaker 5: people here who are here illegally. Well, that's true, But
Speaker 5: if you look at the data more closely, what you'll
Speaker 5: find is is that even as a percentage of the
Speaker 5: total illegal population, Texas is still doing a far better job.
Speaker 5: And the reason why is because, as a general rule,
Speaker 5: not perfectly, but as a general rule, our state leadership,
Speaker 5: our state law enforcement, and a good number of our
Speaker 5: local law enforcement are working in cooperation with ICE in
Speaker 5: what we'd call two eighty seven g agreements or generally
Speaker 5: so that we're working to say, hey, we've got somebody
Speaker 5: locked up, or we've got somebody who we suspect us
Speaker 5: here legally or under orders of removal by a judge,
Speaker 5: then we're going to work with ICE, put them in
Speaker 5: the process and get them out. Minnesota, Minneapolis Governor Waltz,
Speaker 5: the mayor of Minneapolis, and the people in the leadership there,
Speaker 5: they're resisting that they're not working with ICE, and by
Speaker 5: the way, they're trying to say they are, and they're saying, oh, well,
Speaker 5: anytime we've got somebody in our prison, we hand them over. Well,
Speaker 5: that's true for a very small subset of the people
Speaker 5: who have served their sentences in prison, but not the
Speaker 5: vast number of people who've been arrested or who are
Speaker 5: in local jails. So that's the difference. Texas can do better.
Speaker 5: To be clear, we should be even more aggressive. There
Speaker 5: are some jurisdictions who are not doing all they can do,
Speaker 5: but we're doing a lot better.
Speaker 2: And you don't see the drama.
Speaker 3: To use your words, Yeah, this is a key point
Speaker 3: that you just made, Congressman about this Tim Waltz statement.
Speaker 3: He's trying. So President Trump tim Waltz have a call yesterday.
Speaker 3: They both said it was productive. I will say we
Speaker 3: are now seeing Minneapolis Police department actually work to block them,
Speaker 3: really work. Well, they were exactly, So it's a it's
Speaker 3: actually a admission of guilt that they were not protecting
Speaker 3: federal law enforcement. But at least they seem to be
Speaker 3: doing that right now. To be clear, I think there
Speaker 3: should be consequences for the previous inaction. So Tim Waltz
Speaker 3: says that he coordinates. But as you made an important
Speaker 3: note there, that's only a small subset. So Bill mlusion
Speaker 3: comes in. He says, this is very misleading from Waltz. Yes,
Speaker 3: his prisons honor ice detainers by transferring convicted criminal ailen
Speaker 3: so not those with the detention request or those under investigation,
Speaker 3: but after they serve their sentence, but his city and
Speaker 3: county jails do not. I'm told that that is by
Speaker 3: far the lion's share, maybe eighty percent of the criminal
Speaker 3: population criminal legal population in the state of Minnesota. And
Speaker 3: that doesn't even get to the fact of, you know,
Speaker 3: unraveling some of the Somali fraud. So explain that again
Speaker 3: in a Texas context, because you guys have crappy cities
Speaker 3: in Texas too, no offense. You got Austin, you got Houston, Dallas, cannot.
Speaker 3: I can only imagine those cities are not as cooperative
Speaker 3: as they should be. What powers does Governor Abbott, for example,
Speaker 3: have that. Governor Tim Walt says one final point here, Congressman.
Speaker 3: In Florida, in twenty twenty two, they passed a law
Speaker 3: that gives Governor DeSantis complete authority to mandate cooperation with ICE.
Speaker 3: Is that the way it is in Texas?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the state legislature they enacted reforms I think
Speaker 5: in the last two legislative sessions, particularly the last one,
Speaker 5: that gives far great authority for the state government to
Speaker 5: be able to withhold funds and to be able to
Speaker 5: put pressure on the local jurisdictions that they refuse to
Speaker 5: follow the law and if they are sanctuary cities. Right,
Speaker 5: and so that is an important and key element that
Speaker 5: the state is taking into its leadership and something I
Speaker 5: think we need to go even further with. By the way,
Speaker 5: I think separate issue not involved in this time, dealing
Speaker 5: with all of the criminals being let out on the
Speaker 5: streets by Soros funded DA's, the wide open borders, the
Speaker 5: ridiculousness of the Islamification of Texas, epic city. We can
Speaker 5: have another podcast all about those things, But we've got
Speaker 5: to be more aggressive to say that in the state
Speaker 5: of Texas, re enforce the law that the state's capital
Speaker 5: should not be a lawless area that's a sanctuary city,
Speaker 5: Nor should Doallas, nor should Houston. So we've done a
Speaker 5: lot of that. We can probably go even further, but
Speaker 5: I think we're in a place where we're in a
Speaker 5: better posture now. If I'm being real and objective, I
Speaker 5: would tell you that when I talked to boots on
Speaker 5: the ground, people who are expert on this, we are
Speaker 5: not doing as well as we could do to have
Speaker 5: full throated engagement with our two eighty seven g agreements,
Speaker 5: whether they're in big cities or even some of our
Speaker 5: smaller towns and counties. We need to be more active,
Speaker 5: more aggressive to make sure that that is happening, so
Speaker 5: that we can remove people in the state of Texas
Speaker 5: so better in Texas, much better than Minnesota. But that's
Speaker 5: not the bar, right. The bar should be follow the law.
Speaker 5: And there are one and a half million people right
Speaker 5: now under orders of removal by judges, and people forget that.
Speaker 5: They go, oh, you're just rounding people up. Hold on,
Speaker 5: there are dangerous criminals that, yes, we're rounding up, but
Speaker 5: one point five million people are under an order of
Speaker 5: removal by a judge. We should go exercise that. And
Speaker 5: that is what his ICE is doing. And one final point,
Speaker 5: sorry for the filibuster. Tom Homan is doing an excellent job.
Speaker 5: I trust Tom former head of ICE, good friend. The
Speaker 5: President did a great thing by putting him on the
Speaker 5: ground and saying Tom, go get this done the right way.
Speaker 5: I think he will do it the right way.
Speaker 3: So Congressman, I agree. I think Tom's a national treasure
Speaker 3: and we need to wrap him in a bubble wrap
Speaker 3: and keep them safe up there. I will just say, though,
Speaker 3: I mean talking to people in the administration. There's a
Speaker 3: big divide right now, both on messaging and tactics. Right.
Speaker 3: You see this, even Sean Hannity, I've just before we
Speaker 3: got on with you, I saw this clip from him
Speaker 3: saying we don't need to be rounding people up at
Speaker 3: home depots. In the admin. There is a two lines
Speaker 3: of thought, the worst first or get them all right.
Speaker 3: So what is your take on that? How do you
Speaker 3: think we should proceed from a messaging standpoint. I get
Speaker 3: that there is a flare up here, but if we
Speaker 3: don't squash it right Now, come the summer months, it's
Speaker 3: going to be worse in Portland, in Chicago, New York,
Speaker 3: and Los Angeles. I think we need to move in
Speaker 3: with heavy force, but I'm open to being wrong. What
Speaker 3: is your take on that, Well.
Speaker 5: Let me answer that question after I make an observation
Speaker 5: first at a higher level. We can't win a war
Speaker 5: that we do not acknowledge exists. Yeah, this is not
Speaker 5: an immigration issue like it was for our parents' generation
Speaker 5: or anything else in the eighties or even twenty years
Speaker 5: ago into see thousands. This is not some people in
Speaker 5: Mexico who want to come over and do some work
Speaker 5: and head back to Mexico peaceably. This is an organized
Speaker 5: effort to destroy America. Now, I want that to sit
Speaker 5: out there for a second because and I don't do
Speaker 5: this very often. I don't like the people who play
Speaker 5: the I had this conversation with Charlie, and I did
Speaker 5: this thing with Charlie and whatever, and I get it,
Speaker 5: and Charlie spoke to so many people and affected so
Speaker 5: many people. But it is true. And on my phone,
Speaker 5: which I've never shared, the screenshots, the last substance of
Speaker 5: conversation I had with Charlie was about the Islamification of
Speaker 5: the West, the Islamification of Texas, Islamification of America, and
Speaker 5: why that is the most important singular issue and our
Speaker 5: side doesn't get it.
Speaker 2: So now take that issue. Put it here.
Speaker 5: Now take the fact that you've got Marxists who want
Speaker 5: to take our guns away, they want to take our
Speaker 5: frankly freedom of religion. Way you saw what they did
Speaker 5: in Saint Paul. They don't care, you know, they want
Speaker 5: to totally undermine our Western civilization. You've got that going on.
Speaker 5: You've got all of the funding and all of the
Speaker 5: dollars flowing from foreign sources. George Soros Arabella that you
Speaker 5: got the rent collected, putting in criminals on the streets.
Speaker 5: There's all these things. If you did a big white board,
Speaker 5: you can map it all out. It's organized to undermine
Speaker 5: our way of life. If you like Christmas, if you
Speaker 5: like safety and security, if you like English as a
Speaker 5: national language, if you like our core culture and our
Speaker 5: welcoming and immigrants who assimilate.
Speaker 2: But you don't want to have immigrants.
Speaker 5: Come here to change our country, if you don't want
Speaker 5: to be Islamified, if you don't want to have your
Speaker 5: guns taken away. Okay, if you don't want to have
Speaker 5: censorship about anything you think or say, if you want
Speaker 5: to live in a state like Europe, that's what's coming.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: Having said all that, if you don't recognize that's the war,
Speaker 5: then you go back to these tired old phrases Chamber
Speaker 5: of Commerce Republicans kick around where they go, oh, well,
Speaker 5: you know, we just got to make sure we're welcoming
Speaker 5: and we open the door and we do this, and guys,
Speaker 5: this is a totally different battle scape. So to answer
Speaker 5: your specific question, I do think there's a little bit
Speaker 5: of tension going on. They are friends of mine in
Speaker 5: the administration, and I'm not going to go too far
Speaker 5: into it because it's their job to go lead on this.
Speaker 5: But what I'm conveying to them, and what I'm conveying
Speaker 5: publicly is know what time it is in America. Lead now,
Speaker 5: kill this right now before it starts. And you can
Speaker 5: be like Tom, who is saying, I think you asked
Speaker 5: you a question. Is it get rid of the first
Speaker 5: or get rid of everybody? That's my phrasing, not yours.
Speaker 5: I would say you can do both. Let's target the
Speaker 5: worst actors. Yes, let's go get them, go zero in
Speaker 5: on those folks. Let's go zero in on the focus with
Speaker 5: orders of removal. But when you find somebody here who's
Speaker 5: been here illegally for years and they've stole sold the
Speaker 5: security numbers, and they've undermined the system and destroyed the
Speaker 5: rule of law, and they've filled up our schools and
Speaker 5: our jails and birthright citizenship, that all has a cost,
Speaker 5: and we've got to manage that, and we've got to
Speaker 5: deal with it. You can't pick winners and losers. You've
Speaker 5: got to enforce the law. That's my two centens.
Speaker 3: Man. I'm I think we could do both. We absolutely
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Speaker 3: think this Islamification of the West, and you hit on
Speaker 3: it beautifully. This was one of Charlie's drum beats in
Speaker 3: the in the final months of his life, and we
Speaker 3: have to stay focused on it. I know Steve Bannon
Speaker 3: in the war room were just in Texas calling out
Speaker 3: this very issue. I want to know what it's actually
Speaker 3: like on the ground. You know, Epic City was a huge,
Speaker 3: huge story, and I think we I think people really
Speaker 3: don't fully understand or graphs the extent of that. But
Speaker 3: we're you know, you see this huge in Minneapolis. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is a this is what we've all lost our
Speaker 3: focus on. This was about Somali fraud and now, and
Speaker 3: that's why the surge happened. That's why this big blow
Speaker 3: up in Minneapolis is even underway now. Congressman, this is
Speaker 3: uh Wall Street Journal opinion this morning. Time for Ice
Speaker 3: to pause in Minneapolis. This is a real opinion section
Speaker 3: article by the editor board at the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 3: And my reaction to that is the twenty fifteen GOP
Speaker 3: is apparently alive and well in certain corners of the
Speaker 3: of the I guess conservative world. I don't even know
Speaker 3: if I consider that. Blake and I were talking before,
Speaker 3: and it's like if you if you are even on that
Speaker 3: side of the fence on this, you're you're basically liberal
Speaker 3: to me at this point. I mean, what you said,
Speaker 3: we've got to get them all either care. Do you
Speaker 3: either want people deported or you don't. You either want
Speaker 3: the rule of law every single time.
Speaker 4: There you're trying to do it, and your reaction is, oh,
Speaker 4: we got to stop this, Like you're just a lib.
Speaker 3: It's kind of where I'm at. I've seen many stats.
Speaker 3: I don't know which ones are true, but there's like,
Speaker 3: you know, forty new mosques a month or something. You know,
Speaker 3: like there's all and it. It is terrifying because if
Speaker 3: we lose Texas, and I would say, Texas seems to
Speaker 3: me like it has an anemic conservatism. You know, it
Speaker 3: feels anemic. It's not as like strong and robust and
Speaker 3: full throated as you would you would expect out of Texas.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what that is, but it's seems like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of rhinos in the ranks. Seems like
Speaker 3: there's a lot of turncoats in the ranks. Explain the
Speaker 3: truth about the Islamification of Texas. Epic City, the flora
Speaker 3: is yours.
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: I mean, first of all, yeah, Texas needs to be
Speaker 5: much more aggressive than we've been. We've not been as
Speaker 5: conservative of a state as we should have been. Our
Speaker 5: legislature has been a huge problem. It's trending in the
Speaker 5: right direction, but not fast enough. We need to be
Speaker 5: much more aggressive on key issues, including mort security, immigration.
Speaker 5: In these lamifications of Texas, the Islamification issue is very real.
Speaker 5: There are just to give you some anecdotes, there are
Speaker 5: women that I talk to in the Dallas Fort Worth
Speaker 5: metroplex who tell me that there are now increasingly no
Speaker 5: go zones in places you wouldn't think. We're talking areas
Speaker 5: in and around Richardson and Plano and north of Dallas.
Speaker 5: We're talking about the Arlington area out there between Fort
Speaker 5: Worth and Dallas, where the Cowboys and the Rangers play,
Speaker 5: right and there are places where there are women who
Speaker 5: go I don't feel safe going there because it's predominantly
Speaker 5: Muslim and the natural sort of things occur that make
Speaker 5: them uncomfortable. And so now you've got epic city, which
Speaker 5: has garnered national attention. This multi hundred acre compound now
Speaker 5: rebranding is quote the Meadows. You've got an Islamic center
Speaker 5: in Houston, which is a massive facility being built, but
Speaker 5: people don't talk about the other things. Right now, north
Speaker 5: of Austin, I'm pointing because I'm just south of Austin
Speaker 5: now on the north side of Austin, there's a new
Speaker 5: facility going in at the University of Texas. There is
Speaker 5: a significant building getting built to be an Islamic center
Speaker 5: on campus in West Campus at the University of Texas.
Speaker 5: There are three hundred mosques in Tech, three hundred mosques
Speaker 5: in Texas, and there's more mosque getting built in Texas
Speaker 5: every single day than any other state in the Union.
Speaker 5: I don't know the exact number to answer your question,
Speaker 5: but it's a lot more in Texas than any other state.
Speaker 5: This is a product of business driven immigration policy. So
Speaker 5: let's go back to the Wall Street Journal. I've got
Speaker 5: friends in the Wall Street Journal that I work with
Speaker 5: on healthcare and other issues that we're in agreement on,
Speaker 5: but on the issue of immigration, they have been wrong
Speaker 5: over and over and over again. Alongside the Chamber of
Speaker 5: Commerce promoting H one B visas, promoting wide open borders,
Speaker 5: promoting we need to import talent instead of standing for
Speaker 5: what we need to do to make and put America first.
Speaker 5: The President is right, that is at the core of
Speaker 5: his brand. The administration needs to stay the course, push
Speaker 5: back on these business interests and say, look, let's make
Speaker 5: sure we've got Americans trained to do the job.
Speaker 2: We don't need all these H one.
Speaker 5: B's that are frankly fronts for pumping people into our
Speaker 5: country or even leaving them overseas while they're able to
Speaker 5: work here in houses that aren't even filled. And by
Speaker 5: the way, birthright citizenship. We need to fix it. President
Speaker 5: right is right on this. We need to codify it.
Speaker 5: We need to stop this cottage industry, where the Chinese
Speaker 5: have maybe allegedly up to a million people living in
Speaker 5: China who have American citizenship.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's the right number or not.
Speaker 5: I don't like to pedal random numbers, but that's been
Speaker 5: pushed out there in allege. So I've got my staff
Speaker 5: looking to find how many is it. It's absurd what
Speaker 5: we've done to sovereignty. Serve what we've done to our country.
Speaker 5: You either believe in American sovereignty or you don't. One
Speaker 5: final point, there are fifty one million, four in born
Speaker 5: people in the United States. That's sixteen and a half
Speaker 5: percent or so of the population. That's the highest percentage
Speaker 5: we've had in our history. That is greater than it
Speaker 5: was in nineteen twenty after the massive immigration, and we
Speaker 5: shut down for four forty years, four decades, maybe even five.
Speaker 5: That's why I introduced legislation to pause immigration. We need
Speaker 5: to have a real conversation about this. But my biggest
Speaker 5: messages to the administration stay the course, keep doing it,
Speaker 5: stand up for America, and put America first.
Speaker 3: Man Amen, Congressman, I'm I got zero notes. I am
Speaker 3: absolutely in favor of an immigration moratorium. You can make
Speaker 3: it a net zero I mean, there's about two or
Speaker 3: three hundred thousand people that leave the country every year.
Speaker 3: If you want to replace them with good people, I'm
Speaker 3: open minded to that. But a net zero immigration moratorium
Speaker 3: or just shut it all the way up, I'd be
Speaker 3: good with that too. I mean, I was at Costco
Speaker 3: this weekend. I had to got new tires on my car,
Speaker 3: a good deal, right, So I go there and I'm
Speaker 3: wandering around. It did not feel like America to me.
Speaker 3: It didn't. It just didn't. It was I mean, I
Speaker 3: hate that's not guys.
Speaker 2: That's Look.
Speaker 5: If I walk into BUCkies off this I thirty five
Speaker 5: in Texas, why to Quintessential Texas Place or Costco? Like
Speaker 5: you say, it does not feel like America. There's I
Speaker 5: want to be very clear here. We're talking about people
Speaker 5: are welcome to come here, but you have to assimilate,
Speaker 5: right and and and that's not what's happening here. People
Speaker 5: are coming here trying to replace America, trying to push
Speaker 5: Islamification on America, waving foreign country flags.
Speaker 2: That is not the way this works. They need to
Speaker 2: be removed well.
Speaker 3: And I mean there's whole neighborhoods. I was just talking
Speaker 3: to another friend in Texas Congressman, and you know, they
Speaker 3: said they had to move out of their Dallas suburbs
Speaker 3: because they felt uncomfortable there. And it was it was
Speaker 3: basically been completely replaced by Indian immigrants in this instance.
Speaker 3: And listen the H one B scam. I know that
Speaker 3: the administration that is a statute you guys need to
Speaker 3: codify any changes in the H one B program. But
Speaker 3: they're slow walking it. I can tell you that. I
Speaker 3: mean there's now you're looking if you're trying to get
Speaker 3: H one b's. I mean, this thing's are delayed like
Speaker 3: a year and a half right now, two years. So
Speaker 3: I hope they keep pushing those things, kicking the can.
Speaker 3: But there's only so much they can do, right. You
Speaker 3: got to follow the lot at some point, So I
Speaker 3: hope that lot changes. Last minute here Congressman Chuck Schumer
Speaker 3: said he's going to we're you know, he's threatening another
Speaker 3: government shutdown over DHS Fundy. What can you tell us
Speaker 3: from the House perspective, And do you think we're going
Speaker 3: to see a shutdown?
Speaker 5: Well, they're certainly rattling about a shutdown. I don't think
Speaker 5: the administration wants a shutdown Let's remember that if they
Speaker 5: don't fund the Homeland Security, that means they're not going
Speaker 5: to fund the Department of War, They're not going to
Speaker 5: fund labor HS, they're not going to fund transportation. That
Speaker 5: leaves the FAA unfunded, That leaves the TSA unfunded. Right,
Speaker 5: so there are gonna be a lot of issues. I
Speaker 5: think we should call their bluff. We worked a deal.
Speaker 5: By the way, it was a bill that I didn't love,
Speaker 5: but I voted for homeland security, so I can stand
Speaker 5: with ice and border patrol, even though there were things
Speaker 5: in it and I didn't like, like cists and other stuff.
Speaker 5: But bottom line is the freedom Coronctress is sending a
Speaker 5: letter today. It will go out in the next hour
Speaker 5: or two. That is basically saying guys, no, you're not
Speaker 5: gonna send us ability. You're not splitting off homeland security.
Speaker 5: We support the president, we support Tomhoeman. We should stay
Speaker 5: the course. We trust them to get it done right.
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, if you want
Speaker 5: to fix it, then we're gonna If you're gonna block it,
Speaker 5: we're gonna fix it by finding a way to fund
Speaker 5: things using reconciliation, like we did last summer. Or uh,
Speaker 5: you know, finding a way to stop the fake filibuster,
Speaker 5: the sixth threshold, force a talking billibuster.
Speaker 2: I love that's our position, but we'll have to fight
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 3: Hold the line, Congressman, don't let them blink. We got
Speaker 3: your back. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 2: Thanks, guys, go bless.
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