1 00:00:01,590 --> 00:00:04,620 Speaker 1: Welcome to Hope for the Journey, the podcast for women 2 00:00:04,700 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: over 40 who are ready to rise, rebuild, and reclaim 3 00:00:08,900 --> 00:00:13,020 Speaker 1: their story. I'm your host, Monica, and each week you'll 4 00:00:13,060 --> 00:00:17,670 Speaker 1: hear real, raw, comeback stories from women who have walked 5 00:00:17,710 --> 00:00:20,650 Speaker 1: through the fire and found purpose on the other side. 6 00:00:21,390 --> 00:00:25,910 Speaker 1: If you're navigating change, chasing a dream, or simply searching 7 00:00:25,970 --> 00:00:29,340 Speaker 1: for your next step, you're not alone. This is your 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: place for courage, community, and the reminder that it's never 9 00:00:34,100 --> 00:00:38,980 Speaker 1: too late to rewrite the ending. So did you know 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,620 Speaker 1: that after the age of 40, many of the things 11 00:00:42,690 --> 00:00:45,810 Speaker 1: that we have buried along the way can get louder, 12 00:00:46,229 --> 00:00:48,490 Speaker 1: and that some of the things that we have carried 13 00:00:48,510 --> 00:00:52,790 Speaker 1: through the years can actually get heavier? We'll be back 14 00:00:52,810 --> 00:00:55,050 Speaker 1: with that in just a moment, right after a word 15 00:00:55,270 --> 00:00:59,130 Speaker 1: from our sponsors. Hi, I'm Monica, and this is the 16 00:00:59,210 --> 00:01:03,690 Speaker 1: Hope for the Journey podcast, the podcast for women over 40. 17 00:01:03,690 --> 00:01:05,890 Speaker 1: And Diana Lassert is my guest today. 18 00:01:05,970 --> 00:01:07,230 Speaker 2: Diana, welcome. 19 00:01:07,569 --> 00:01:09,550 Speaker 1: Oh, Monica, thank you so much. I'm so glad to 20 00:01:09,610 --> 00:01:12,130 Speaker 1: be here. You know, I'm so glad that you're here. And, 21 00:01:12,390 --> 00:01:15,070 Speaker 1: you know, I've looked through all of the things that 22 00:01:15,130 --> 00:01:18,610 Speaker 1: we've talked about, and I think about how most of 23 00:01:18,670 --> 00:01:21,910 Speaker 1: us as women, and I'm certainly over 40, You know, 24 00:01:21,970 --> 00:01:24,690 Speaker 1: it's like the things that we bury through the years 25 00:01:24,910 --> 00:01:28,069 Speaker 1: or that we carry, you know, they start to get heavier. 26 00:01:28,130 --> 00:01:32,050 Speaker 1: They may even start to feel louder. And that can 27 00:01:32,090 --> 00:01:34,470 Speaker 1: be a lot of weight. And I know, you know, 28 00:01:34,530 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: I know that you're into health and fitness and all 29 00:01:37,660 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 1: of those things. But really, Diana, you look a lot 30 00:01:40,500 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: deeper than just the number on the scale. 31 00:01:43,140 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 2: Yes. And what you're saying, it's like I like to 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: call it the weight beneath the weight. And I've been 33 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: in this world of transformation for over 20 years now. 34 00:01:52,100 --> 00:01:54,860 Speaker 2: And for the first several years of that, it was 35 00:01:54,900 --> 00:01:57,990 Speaker 2: helping people with that physical transformation side. And I've worked 36 00:01:58,050 --> 00:02:01,770 Speaker 2: with thousands of women in their 40s, their 50s, their 60s, 37 00:02:02,190 --> 00:02:05,830 Speaker 2: going through menopausal transitions, all the things that come with 38 00:02:05,850 --> 00:02:08,139 Speaker 2: that season of life. And over the years, what I 39 00:02:08,260 --> 00:02:12,060 Speaker 2: found was so many women would go through a physical transformation. 40 00:02:12,100 --> 00:02:15,820 Speaker 2: They would lose weight and feel great for a period 41 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:19,650 Speaker 2: of time. And then something would happen and they would 42 00:02:19,690 --> 00:02:22,750 Speaker 2: be right back at the beginning, at the starting point 43 00:02:22,830 --> 00:02:26,670 Speaker 2: where they first began. And I started seeing this pattern 44 00:02:26,710 --> 00:02:30,290 Speaker 2: repeatedly over the years and they would feel amazing. They'd 45 00:02:30,310 --> 00:02:32,570 Speaker 2: be like, you know, got there, did this. And then 46 00:02:32,590 --> 00:02:34,940 Speaker 2: it was something was always bringing them back to that 47 00:02:35,060 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: starting point. And I was like, okay, what? I'm missing 48 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: something here because there's something deeper. This isn't just about 49 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: establishing the eating habits and exercise habits. We want those. 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,190 Speaker 2: Yes and amen. Those are really important pieces of our 51 00:02:50,250 --> 00:02:53,190 Speaker 2: physical health, our mental, emotional and spiritual health, which are 52 00:02:53,230 --> 00:02:55,750 Speaker 2: all tied together, too. I was like, but there's something 53 00:02:55,810 --> 00:02:57,950 Speaker 2: deeper here. And until we can actually get a little 54 00:02:57,970 --> 00:03:01,180 Speaker 2: bit deeper and understand why they go back into those 55 00:03:01,250 --> 00:03:04,139 Speaker 2: default settings and those looping patterns, we're not going to 56 00:03:04,180 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 2: be able to get to a place where we're fully 57 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: just living in freedom with our health and our fitness 58 00:03:10,090 --> 00:03:12,530 Speaker 2: and have the full capacity for the calling that the 59 00:03:12,590 --> 00:03:13,650 Speaker 2: Lord has on our lives. 60 00:03:13,930 --> 00:03:16,750 Speaker 1: You know, when I think about... what you talk about 61 00:03:17,030 --> 00:03:20,150 Speaker 1: the weight between the weight. I think, you know, when 62 00:03:20,190 --> 00:03:22,490 Speaker 1: I look at my life, I can say that there's 63 00:03:22,530 --> 00:03:27,579 Speaker 1: been shame and guilt around food. There's been like questions 64 00:03:27,660 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: for me, which actually I saw one of your posts 65 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: and it spoke to it. Like I've always wondered, I 66 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:37,180 Speaker 1: like broccoli, but when I'm emotionally stretched or nervous or 67 00:03:37,260 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: just scared, I don't want broccoli, Diana. I want brownies 68 00:03:41,140 --> 00:03:44,650 Speaker 1: or a candy bar. And I've always, I've thought, like, 69 00:03:44,660 --> 00:03:47,470 Speaker 1: what is wrong with me? Like, I like broccoli. Why 70 00:03:47,490 --> 00:03:50,790 Speaker 1: can't I just go to a more healthy food rather 71 00:03:50,850 --> 00:03:53,930 Speaker 1: than eat so much chocolate? But you explained that. So 72 00:03:53,970 --> 00:03:54,950 Speaker 1: explain it to us. 73 00:03:55,210 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 2: And it's, it's so good. And the question you keep 74 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:00,460 Speaker 2: saying too, of what's wrong with me. So many women 75 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: ask this question and it's a better question is what 76 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 2: happened that this is how I'm finding a way to 77 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: cope and to numb and to like, uh, help with 78 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: these feelings that I'm feeling. So when we are stressed, 79 00:04:15,540 --> 00:04:19,050 Speaker 2: when our body has been triggered in some way, you know, 80 00:04:19,110 --> 00:04:20,830 Speaker 2: could be just the day, it could be an email 81 00:04:20,870 --> 00:04:23,250 Speaker 2: that came through, can just be like that stress that 82 00:04:23,290 --> 00:04:27,029 Speaker 2: happens throughout the day that triggers us, it gets kind 83 00:04:27,050 --> 00:04:30,710 Speaker 2: of our brain into this position of fight or flight 84 00:04:30,810 --> 00:04:35,500 Speaker 2: or freeze. And when we've learned in the past that these, 85 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 2: these brownies and chips and these things, because that those 86 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,859 Speaker 2: are the things that can soothe and that can quickly 87 00:04:41,980 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 2: numb and can give us a hit of dopamine that 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,940 Speaker 2: will relax our systems. That's why we go to those 89 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,420 Speaker 2: things because we've learned that they work because they do work. 90 00:04:51,860 --> 00:04:54,810 Speaker 2: Broccoli does not do the same thing. It's the things 91 00:04:54,850 --> 00:04:56,910 Speaker 2: that are going to give us that, that this is 92 00:04:56,990 --> 00:04:59,610 Speaker 2: so good, that dopamine hit, and it will feel good 93 00:04:59,650 --> 00:05:01,570 Speaker 2: for a moment and your body will be able to 94 00:05:01,610 --> 00:05:04,470 Speaker 2: be calm and say, oh, okay, see that worked. And 95 00:05:04,550 --> 00:05:08,409 Speaker 2: then it doesn't work for the long run because then 96 00:05:08,610 --> 00:05:10,370 Speaker 2: it's hurting our health. But if we can take a 97 00:05:10,390 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: look and see where the pattern started from to begin 98 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:16,700 Speaker 2: with and start to tell a truer story about what 99 00:05:16,740 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 2: we're looking for and what can fill that need, and 100 00:05:19,660 --> 00:05:22,460 Speaker 2: also just understanding what our bodies feel like when they're 101 00:05:22,500 --> 00:05:26,050 Speaker 2: in that high anxiety-triggered state where it's like, okay, I 102 00:05:26,089 --> 00:05:27,850 Speaker 2: just want the cookies and the cake and the chips. 103 00:05:28,210 --> 00:05:30,729 Speaker 2: I hear this all the time, especially I'll give an 104 00:05:30,790 --> 00:05:33,060 Speaker 2: example of what this looks like for some women, too. 105 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,460 Speaker 2: They wake up in the morning. They're super disciplined in 106 00:05:36,500 --> 00:05:40,520 Speaker 2: the morning. They OK, I'm on it today. I'm on 107 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,690 Speaker 2: my diet or whatever it is today. I got my breakfast. 108 00:05:43,750 --> 00:05:45,969 Speaker 2: I got everything lined up. Then they go out for 109 00:05:45,990 --> 00:05:48,910 Speaker 2: the day. Something happens with the kids. Something happens at work. 110 00:05:49,290 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: something happens with their marriage or just in the world 111 00:05:52,750 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 2: in general, and your body is releasing these hormones, these chemicals, 112 00:05:56,900 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 2: these things that are adrenaline and things that are kicking 113 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: your logical thinking brain kind of offline, letting that amygdala 114 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,980 Speaker 2: part of your brain, which is your impulsivity, fight or flight, 115 00:06:09,020 --> 00:06:10,339 Speaker 2: what do we got to do to take care of it? 116 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: You get home at night, that's part of your brain 117 00:06:13,580 --> 00:06:16,370 Speaker 2: that was in charge in the morning that was like, 118 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,750 Speaker 2: let's make goal-seeking choices today, that part of your brain is, 119 00:06:20,770 --> 00:06:24,310 Speaker 2: an easy way to say it is, it's offline. It's 120 00:06:24,370 --> 00:06:27,630 Speaker 2: not in charge in those moments because of those stress triggers. 121 00:06:28,029 --> 00:06:30,290 Speaker 2: So that amygdala is in charge and it's like, we 122 00:06:30,310 --> 00:06:32,469 Speaker 2: got to get whatever's going to fix this the fastest. 123 00:06:33,089 --> 00:06:36,940 Speaker 2: And in that moment, that's when everything falls apart. We're 124 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,500 Speaker 2: going to the fridge. We find ourselves standing there eating whatever. 125 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: And then we say, what is wrong with me? And 126 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:45,250 Speaker 2: so I think even just understanding what is happening in 127 00:06:45,290 --> 00:06:48,270 Speaker 2: your brain and what part of your brain is in charge, 128 00:06:48,550 --> 00:06:52,110 Speaker 2: because that's how we're designed. God designed us to have 129 00:06:52,170 --> 00:06:55,740 Speaker 2: these alarm systems. Even just understanding that can be like, oh, 130 00:06:56,460 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: it's not that there's something wrong with me. I can 131 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,580 Speaker 2: understand that this part of my brain was in charge. 132 00:07:00,700 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 2: If I can learn how to calm that, then I 133 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,779 Speaker 2: can get into better goal seeking choices. But there's nothing 134 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 2: wrong with you that it wasn't broccoli that you went for. 135 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,740 Speaker 2: Like you're not designed. Broccoli isn't a food that actually 136 00:07:12,900 --> 00:07:15,360 Speaker 2: serves the purpose that your body and your brain are 137 00:07:15,420 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 2: looking for and seeking in that moment. Right. 138 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,870 Speaker 1: And I know for me, and I just feel confident, Diana, 139 00:07:20,900 --> 00:07:22,930 Speaker 1: for a lot of the women that are listening, when 140 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:26,489 Speaker 1: I saw that post of yours on Instagram, it brought 141 00:07:26,550 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: healing to me because I thought, okay, there's nothing wrong 142 00:07:31,060 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: with me. That's just how my brain works. My dad 143 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,380 Speaker 1: passed away just a couple of months ago, and so, 144 00:07:38,420 --> 00:07:41,980 Speaker 1: of course, hospice and all of the treatments and the 145 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,980 Speaker 1: sadness surrounding all of that, it was just right in 146 00:07:45,020 --> 00:07:47,860 Speaker 1: front of my face that, hey, I don't want broccoli. 147 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,670 Speaker 1: I don't want a salad. I need a candy bar 148 00:07:50,790 --> 00:07:53,470 Speaker 1: or I need cookies. And then, like you say, there 149 00:07:53,610 --> 00:07:58,410 Speaker 1: is that immediate, oh, yes. But then for me, there's 150 00:07:58,450 --> 00:08:01,530 Speaker 1: a cycle of guilt and loop of, gosh, I know better. 151 00:08:02,070 --> 00:08:05,250 Speaker 1: And I would wake up, like you said, in the morning, like, ah, 152 00:08:05,350 --> 00:08:08,490 Speaker 1: God's got this. I'm going to make good decisions. And 153 00:08:08,570 --> 00:08:11,380 Speaker 1: it's kind of like all or nothing. Then what something 154 00:08:11,420 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: goes wrong in the day or the evening comes and 155 00:08:13,780 --> 00:08:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm just away from all of the noise, it's back 156 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:20,060 Speaker 1: to that junk food. And I think a lot of women, 157 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: we find ourselves in that loop. And I also think 158 00:08:23,430 --> 00:08:26,050 Speaker 1: Like after menopause, everything changes. 159 00:08:26,290 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 2: I'll speak to that real quick first of the, yes, 160 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,459 Speaker 2: when the hormones change, it also impacts our hunger signals too. 161 00:08:34,980 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 2: So maybe when you were in your 20s or 30s, 162 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 2: you could actually rely on hunger signals to say, oh, 163 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,729 Speaker 2: it's time to eat. I'm hungry. I need some nourishment. 164 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,130 Speaker 2: But when our estrogen levels start to drop, when we 165 00:08:47,170 --> 00:08:51,329 Speaker 2: start going into perimenopause and And that it kind of 166 00:08:51,390 --> 00:08:55,970 Speaker 2: takes the buffer away and our ghrelin, our leptin levels, 167 00:08:56,090 --> 00:08:59,870 Speaker 2: they change. So we may feel hunger when we don't 168 00:08:59,990 --> 00:09:03,510 Speaker 2: physically need food at that time. And so that's a 169 00:09:03,730 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 2: that's a whole piece you could talk for hours about 170 00:09:06,890 --> 00:09:09,699 Speaker 2: just understanding the hormonal changes that are happening with your 171 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: hunger signals. and why that season makes it harder in 172 00:09:13,580 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 2: those moments to get yourself back online to make a 173 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 2: better choice. The other piece of that is when there's unhealed, 174 00:09:20,660 --> 00:09:25,540 Speaker 2: untended stories from your past that have been kind of 175 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,060 Speaker 2: shoved back, put back there. They're still playing out in 176 00:09:29,100 --> 00:09:31,700 Speaker 2: your present. Anything that is in our past that we 177 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,420 Speaker 2: haven't dealt with, haven't taken to the Lord, haven't gotten 178 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 2: some healing around, it's literally playing out in your present 179 00:09:37,780 --> 00:09:42,260 Speaker 2: every single day until it's addressed and healed. And the research, 180 00:09:42,300 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: the science shows that women, when we start going through perimenopause, menopause, 181 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,630 Speaker 2: unhealed trauma from our past amplifies our menopause symptoms. So 182 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:55,770 Speaker 2: there are women that have very big, we're all going 183 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:59,970 Speaker 2: to have some level, but when there's unhealed trauma, unhealed wound, 184 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: everything is bigger. And again, it's because we lost that buffer, 185 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,330 Speaker 2: that emotional buffer that we used to have. So everything 186 00:10:07,490 --> 00:10:10,750 Speaker 2: feels bigger and the triggers are bigger in this season 187 00:10:10,830 --> 00:10:14,190 Speaker 2: when there hasn't been tending and healing to that weight 188 00:10:14,250 --> 00:10:17,750 Speaker 2: beneath the weight. And that weight is really the stories 189 00:10:18,030 --> 00:10:21,740 Speaker 2: of harm, the stories of things from our past that 190 00:10:22,220 --> 00:10:26,100 Speaker 2: need to be tended, need some care, need some kindness. 191 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,940 Speaker 2: And it's those stories that's often where the eating behaviors, 192 00:10:30,020 --> 00:10:33,489 Speaker 2: the food is going to be the thing that I 193 00:10:33,530 --> 00:10:37,740 Speaker 2: can go to that helps and So often, the very 194 00:10:37,860 --> 00:10:41,780 Speaker 2: root of that is somewhere in our childhood where we 195 00:10:41,820 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 2: didn't know what to do with a little dysregulated body 196 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:47,699 Speaker 2: that either something was done to that wasn't supposed to 197 00:10:48,059 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: or a little body that needed something desperately, care, attention, love, 198 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,850 Speaker 2: and didn't get it. So it can be either thing. 199 00:10:56,900 --> 00:11:00,170 Speaker 2: It's either something happened that shouldn't have happened or you 200 00:11:00,210 --> 00:11:03,190 Speaker 2: didn't receive something that you should have. And those things 201 00:11:03,270 --> 00:11:06,569 Speaker 2: cause those wounds. And food in that season can be 202 00:11:06,590 --> 00:11:09,380 Speaker 2: a very easy thing to, oh, but this is here 203 00:11:09,580 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 2: and I have this and this helps me. And so 204 00:11:12,050 --> 00:11:14,939 Speaker 2: it's this learned pattern of this is what I can 205 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:18,120 Speaker 2: go to. This is where I can get this sense 206 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,610 Speaker 2: of release, this sense of relief. And instead of shame, 207 00:11:22,630 --> 00:11:26,410 Speaker 2: I would just so encourage women to understand the patterns 208 00:11:26,750 --> 00:11:30,330 Speaker 2: and the things that helped you adapt and survive when 209 00:11:30,370 --> 00:11:33,929 Speaker 2: you needed them. We can actually honor those things for 210 00:11:34,010 --> 00:11:37,070 Speaker 2: how they helped us in the season when we needed them. 211 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 2: And when we get to these new phases where we 212 00:11:39,660 --> 00:11:44,660 Speaker 2: recognize that pattern, we can say, now thank you for 213 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 2: how you helped me and served me. but now I 214 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 2: actually want to live healthy and steward my health well. 215 00:11:51,380 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: And so I no longer need you, but I thank 216 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,809 Speaker 2: you and I honor you for how you helped me 217 00:11:56,150 --> 00:11:59,309 Speaker 2: and you got this body through. And so I think 218 00:11:59,370 --> 00:12:02,590 Speaker 2: it's just that different lens can just bring a relief 219 00:12:03,190 --> 00:12:06,620 Speaker 2: of like, oh, okay, there's something more, there's something deeper. 220 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,380 Speaker 2: It's not that there's something wrong with me, but there's 221 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: symptoms showing that there's something that needs tending. Right. 222 00:12:13,540 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: And because I think that especially as busy women with, 223 00:12:16,900 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: which most of us are, we just want to skip 224 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:22,780 Speaker 1: past the bad stuff. And we really may not even 225 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,510 Speaker 1: remember everything that happened in childhood. And we're so busy, 226 00:12:27,550 --> 00:12:30,170 Speaker 1: we don't take the time to go deeper with the 227 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:33,050 Speaker 1: Lord in prayer to find those things. So we've got 228 00:12:33,090 --> 00:12:35,229 Speaker 1: to take a quick break. But Diana, when we get back, 229 00:12:35,270 --> 00:12:37,250 Speaker 1: I want us to pick up there because you've been 230 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:40,370 Speaker 1: working with women for 20 years, and you've seen this 231 00:12:40,450 --> 00:12:45,420 Speaker 1: transformation happen when we can deal with our stuff, unpack 232 00:12:45,500 --> 00:12:47,500 Speaker 1: it and take it to the Lord. And that's really 233 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,660 Speaker 1: where the hope is. So we'll be back in just 234 00:12:49,700 --> 00:12:53,329 Speaker 1: a moment, right after a word from our sponsors. Okay, Diana, 235 00:12:53,390 --> 00:12:55,990 Speaker 1: now you've been working with women for over 20 years. 236 00:12:56,030 --> 00:12:59,069 Speaker 1: We're talking about things that go untended in our lives. 237 00:12:59,710 --> 00:13:02,819 Speaker 1: And hey, we live in a fallen, broken world. So 238 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,380 Speaker 1: I don't think it would be a stretch to say 239 00:13:05,460 --> 00:13:10,170 Speaker 1: probably every woman listening today has something different. be that trauma, 240 00:13:10,290 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: an unmet need, some sort of a wound that we 241 00:13:12,900 --> 00:13:16,140 Speaker 1: don't have these things and we just skip right along 242 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,929 Speaker 1: taking care of everybody in our lives but us. So, 243 00:13:20,420 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: How do you help women? How do you start that 244 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:26,070 Speaker 1: journey of, hey, there's something back here that you need 245 00:13:26,110 --> 00:13:26,870 Speaker 1: to deal with? 246 00:13:26,990 --> 00:13:29,809 Speaker 2: It's such a great question. And it's a little different 247 00:13:29,850 --> 00:13:32,929 Speaker 2: depending on the person, because there are some people that 248 00:13:32,950 --> 00:13:35,690 Speaker 2: will be like, nope, don't have anything there. But the 249 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 2: truth is, because none of us had perfect parents, there 250 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 2: is some type of wounding for every person. And to some, 251 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 2: it's going to be bigger extremes, bigger levels than others. 252 00:13:48,420 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 2: And like you had even mentioned, there's some memories that 253 00:13:52,450 --> 00:13:56,350 Speaker 2: are implicit memories that we don't even have actual access to, 254 00:13:56,750 --> 00:13:58,630 Speaker 2: to kind of a replay in our brains. And there's 255 00:13:58,710 --> 00:14:02,469 Speaker 2: explicit memories. But our body remembers and stores both of 256 00:14:02,530 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: those things. And we start... Honestly, in the womb, things 257 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,020 Speaker 2: start to build and the survival systems will actually start 258 00:14:11,070 --> 00:14:14,410 Speaker 2: to build even before we're born. So it's how God 259 00:14:14,450 --> 00:14:17,410 Speaker 2: designed us. He designed us to take information and figure 260 00:14:17,470 --> 00:14:19,420 Speaker 2: out how do I stay safe and how do I 261 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:21,700 Speaker 2: survive in this world and what do I need to do? 262 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: to get the love and to get the care. He 263 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,300 Speaker 2: designed us to need other people. Like we can't survive 264 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,780 Speaker 2: as humans without other people. I think that's a big 265 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:34,140 Speaker 2: part of the thing too, is people think, oh, well, 266 00:14:34,180 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: I just don't need anybody. We do. We're literally designed 267 00:14:37,500 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: to actually need each other and need loving, safe, kind places, 268 00:14:42,140 --> 00:14:48,670 Speaker 2: not perfect places. Because again, We're not perfect people. Shocking information. 269 00:14:48,910 --> 00:14:51,460 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not. I'm not either. 270 00:14:52,700 --> 00:14:55,020 Speaker 1: So the cat is out of the bag there. So 271 00:14:55,060 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: not perfect. 272 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,540 Speaker 2: So I think what people can do is all of 273 00:15:00,610 --> 00:15:03,390 Speaker 2: those things show up in our lives today. Again, it 274 00:15:03,430 --> 00:15:05,650 Speaker 2: goes back to like the things not tended in the 275 00:15:05,690 --> 00:15:07,770 Speaker 2: past are going to show up in your present. So 276 00:15:07,810 --> 00:15:12,690 Speaker 2: when there's these things, all or nothing thinking, perfectionism, taking 277 00:15:12,750 --> 00:15:16,150 Speaker 2: care of everybody else's needs besides your own. These are 278 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: people say, this is my personality. This is just who 279 00:15:18,740 --> 00:15:21,580 Speaker 2: I am. That's actually not true. This is a survival 280 00:15:21,660 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: system that you've learned. This is something that your body, 281 00:15:25,460 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 2: your brain was like, okay, this is what's going to 282 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,940 Speaker 2: keep us safe because it's what you learned in the past. 283 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:32,900 Speaker 2: And it's usually rooted. If you keep going back, I've 284 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,570 Speaker 2: never worked with a person that it didn't come back 285 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,690 Speaker 2: to somewhere in early childhood. Always. It's like they can think, oh, well, 286 00:15:39,730 --> 00:15:41,690 Speaker 2: it's going to be here. And it's like, but why 287 00:15:41,750 --> 00:15:44,870 Speaker 2: was that? Let's get a little deeper. It's always somewhere 288 00:15:45,250 --> 00:15:48,110 Speaker 2: in those early formative years because that's when the hard 289 00:15:48,150 --> 00:15:52,850 Speaker 2: wiring of our brain happens. So, the youngest years of 290 00:15:52,930 --> 00:15:55,610 Speaker 2: our lives are actually when the most formative things are 291 00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:58,890 Speaker 2: happening in our brain that carry with us our entire lives. 292 00:15:59,690 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: So when I have these women, it's first understanding this 293 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,500 Speaker 2: behavior that you're like, I want to change this because 294 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,780 Speaker 2: I want to be X, Y, Z. I want to 295 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 2: be healthy. What's wrong with me? Why am I going 296 00:16:11,100 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: in these patterns? These are just symptoms and signals that 297 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:18,350 Speaker 2: we can say, okay, Hmm. Where's what is this actually 298 00:16:18,370 --> 00:16:20,870 Speaker 2: a response to? Let's keep going back until we can 299 00:16:20,930 --> 00:16:24,110 Speaker 2: find if we can find. And like you said, some memories. 300 00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: I'm just I like to be very gentle with memories, too, 301 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,740 Speaker 2: because it's you know, some people are like, let's go 302 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,820 Speaker 2: get them. And I've just found for me personally, the 303 00:16:32,860 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: Lord gently reveals a new memory to me when I'm 304 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:40,220 Speaker 2: ready for it. And so I'm still on my own 305 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 2: personal healing journey. And I don't think that really ends until, 306 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,140 Speaker 2: you know, we get to be with him in person. 307 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: But it just untangles not so that you can have 308 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:52,460 Speaker 2: more and more freedom and more and more capacity. But 309 00:16:52,500 --> 00:16:55,330 Speaker 2: I'll be sitting here three years in and he'll show 310 00:16:55,370 --> 00:16:59,090 Speaker 2: me something that I'm like, whoa, didn't have any recollection 311 00:16:59,110 --> 00:17:00,810 Speaker 2: of that. And it's like, so I think he's so 312 00:17:00,930 --> 00:17:02,950 Speaker 2: kind with his healing journey too. 313 00:17:02,970 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: Yes. 314 00:17:04,109 --> 00:17:07,970 Speaker 2: And so that's it. Can we be honest with what's 315 00:17:08,020 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: going on? Can we acknowledge that there's something deeper? Naming 316 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,330 Speaker 2: can be a part of that, but sometimes people think 317 00:17:15,369 --> 00:17:18,990 Speaker 2: just naming it is the healing, and it's not. It's 318 00:17:19,070 --> 00:17:22,350 Speaker 2: really just the beginning of it. there can be a 319 00:17:22,410 --> 00:17:24,850 Speaker 2: lot of grief that can come. And that has to 320 00:17:24,890 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: be a very tender journey too. I work with a 321 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,979 Speaker 2: lot of entrepreneurs, a lot of successful women, and grieving 322 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: is something that feels uncomfortable. And we don't want to 323 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,830 Speaker 2: do it. And it's okay, I named it, that happened, 324 00:17:38,010 --> 00:17:41,570 Speaker 2: I'm fine. But that also doesn't work for healing. And 325 00:17:41,810 --> 00:17:45,609 Speaker 2: I think Jesus modeled this for us one of the 326 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,389 Speaker 2: groups that is one of my mentors owns a business 327 00:17:48,410 --> 00:17:51,090 Speaker 2: called Freedom Academy. And what she taught me was Jesus 328 00:17:51,250 --> 00:17:54,450 Speaker 2: models this for us. He didn't die and then go 329 00:17:54,510 --> 00:17:58,310 Speaker 2: straight to resurrection. He died. He was in the grave, 330 00:17:58,690 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: in that grieving space. And then was the resurrection. So 331 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: it's like he models that healing journey for us. But 332 00:18:06,580 --> 00:18:09,060 Speaker 2: if we want to skip the grave and we want 333 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 2: to skip the grieving because I'm good, I got this. 334 00:18:12,890 --> 00:18:15,260 Speaker 2: then we're saying we're dependent of him and we don't 335 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: need to do what he showed us to do to 336 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,140 Speaker 2: get to that healing. So it's just that it's a journey. 337 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:24,780 Speaker 2: It's messy, but it's worth it. Yes. 338 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,340 Speaker 1: And I love that you said, though, he is kind 339 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 1: with us. You know, we're his daughters. He doesn't force 340 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: us to do things. And this journey that you're talking 341 00:18:33,300 --> 00:18:36,980 Speaker 1: about is not to just make us grieve to grieve. 342 00:18:37,340 --> 00:18:41,260 Speaker 1: It's actually a grieving that leads to joy because we 343 00:18:41,340 --> 00:18:45,570 Speaker 1: deal with these things, right? Acknowledge, forgive, whatever that looks 344 00:18:45,670 --> 00:18:48,990 Speaker 1: like for each individual women. And you mentioned something, Diana, 345 00:18:49,030 --> 00:18:52,270 Speaker 1: that is so important about community. So I would like 346 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:53,949 Speaker 1: to hear a little bit. I'm going to try to 347 00:18:53,990 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: remember exactly what it's called. It's this it's a sister strong. Oh, 348 00:18:57,900 --> 00:18:58,619 Speaker 1: so strong. 349 00:18:58,780 --> 00:19:02,699 Speaker 2: It's so strong. Okay. Yeah. I, I call it my 350 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:05,869 Speaker 2: soul strong sisterhood and it's something the Lord pressed on 351 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:08,129 Speaker 2: my heart about a year ago. I started building it 352 00:19:08,170 --> 00:19:12,010 Speaker 2: and I was like, I wanted to create something that 353 00:19:12,609 --> 00:19:16,390 Speaker 2: brought all of these pieces of the puzzle together for women. 354 00:19:16,450 --> 00:19:19,389 Speaker 2: And I just, I, I, I hadn't seen anything of 355 00:19:19,470 --> 00:19:22,510 Speaker 2: it like it in the faith and fitness space. There's 356 00:19:22,550 --> 00:19:27,109 Speaker 2: a lot of faith and fitness trainers, coaches. But as 357 00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 2: far as being able to say there's a deeper reason 358 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: for the stories that are impacting our daily life today, 359 00:19:35,580 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: and I want to create space where we can start 360 00:19:38,330 --> 00:19:40,540 Speaker 2: just tending and taking a look at them and getting 361 00:19:40,580 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 2: curious about them and relieve us from the shame and 362 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:48,189 Speaker 2: start almost normalizing. I say normalizing because it's like we 363 00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: don't want to stay stuck, but let's normalize that this 364 00:19:51,460 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: is hard, that we're going to loop back into the 365 00:19:54,220 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: old patterns, but that there's default settings there that are 366 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,980 Speaker 2: the reason, but also that there is tremendous healing and 367 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,380 Speaker 2: there's tremendous freedom in our physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual 368 00:20:05,420 --> 00:20:08,210 Speaker 2: health when we will just kind of do that work. 369 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 2: and doing it together because isolation is one of the 370 00:20:12,980 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: enemy's greatest tools. I can't tell you how many women 371 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,540 Speaker 2: have come in and been like, oh, I can share 372 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,580 Speaker 2: this because you guys all understand you're going through the 373 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: same thing. I hear it all the time and I'm like, yeah, 374 00:20:25,740 --> 00:20:28,859 Speaker 2: of course you're not. I hear it from thousands of women. 375 00:20:29,180 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: You're all going through the same thing. But the enemy 376 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 2: has you convinced that everybody else is perfect. Everybody else 377 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,270 Speaker 2: feels great. Everybody else's life is together. It's just me. 378 00:20:38,450 --> 00:20:40,030 Speaker 2: So you better keep it in and not talk to 379 00:20:40,070 --> 00:20:41,889 Speaker 2: anybody about it. And you better hide over here in 380 00:20:41,910 --> 00:20:44,490 Speaker 2: the corner because you're the only one and everybody else 381 00:20:44,510 --> 00:20:47,330 Speaker 2: has got it. And I'm like, no, that's like, like, 382 00:20:47,710 --> 00:20:50,230 Speaker 2: not true. Not true. Everybody's going through stuff. 383 00:20:50,780 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: And what a relief it is to know that we're 384 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,620 Speaker 1: not alone and we're not the only ones feeling scared 385 00:20:55,660 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: and ashamed and wondering why our life is the way 386 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:00,460 Speaker 1: it is and why we want to binge eat or whatever. 387 00:21:00,530 --> 00:21:03,410 Speaker 1: And even you've said, right, that you're an author, you're 388 00:21:03,430 --> 00:21:05,550 Speaker 1: a speaker, you're doing this, you're still on your own 389 00:21:05,609 --> 00:21:09,390 Speaker 1: healing journey. Like, we don't get there easily. till heaven. 390 00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:12,790 Speaker 1: Like on this side of heaven, we're all, it's a journey. 391 00:21:12,869 --> 00:21:15,600 Speaker 1: We're all working through. That's, that's why I called the 392 00:21:15,619 --> 00:21:17,940 Speaker 1: podcast Hope for the Journey. Like we need hope. And 393 00:21:17,980 --> 00:21:20,719 Speaker 1: I think being a part of a, of a, of a, 394 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,980 Speaker 1: what did you call it? Strong sisters? 395 00:21:23,220 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: So strong. So strong. 396 00:21:24,859 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: So strong. 397 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,260 Speaker 2: Hello. 398 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,870 Speaker 1: Hello. So strong. I think that a community like that 399 00:21:29,910 --> 00:21:33,090 Speaker 1: can be so meaningful to someone. It's like women that 400 00:21:33,130 --> 00:21:37,050 Speaker 1: are like-minded all working toward the same thing. And you've 401 00:21:37,109 --> 00:21:39,910 Speaker 1: also got, Diana, is it called a body map that 402 00:21:39,950 --> 00:21:42,850 Speaker 1: you have that you're giving as a giveaway today? Tell 403 00:21:42,890 --> 00:21:44,659 Speaker 1: us a little bit about that because I signed up 404 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: for it and I found it to be very helpful 405 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:51,400 Speaker 1: just even at first read. So what can our listeners 406 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 1: get today? 407 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I created this body map, just kind of some 408 00:21:55,300 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 2: of the things we've been talking about to understand that. 409 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,550 Speaker 2: how not just the hormones and the things that we've 410 00:22:00,590 --> 00:22:05,330 Speaker 2: gone through, these things have built, we have a story 411 00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:08,449 Speaker 2: about our body. Every single one of us does. And 412 00:22:08,490 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: it's rooted somewhere in the stories of our past. And 413 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: it's It's just a resource to bring together all of 414 00:22:15,260 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 2: these things from a scriptural, from a biblical lens so 415 00:22:19,460 --> 00:22:22,310 Speaker 2: that we can start to see things not as the 416 00:22:22,369 --> 00:22:24,590 Speaker 2: world sees them, but as the Lord sees them. And 417 00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:26,870 Speaker 2: the whole point of this is just to help bring 418 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:30,130 Speaker 2: all of this stuff together because we want to be 419 00:22:30,310 --> 00:22:34,210 Speaker 2: walking forward towards health, greater health in all the ways. 420 00:22:35,330 --> 00:22:37,609 Speaker 2: And that can often start with understanding that there's a 421 00:22:37,670 --> 00:22:41,030 Speaker 2: body story there. And so it's just that's what it is. 422 00:22:41,090 --> 00:22:43,369 Speaker 2: It's just a tool to kind of guide you through 423 00:22:43,490 --> 00:22:46,030 Speaker 2: and help you to think about things a little bit 424 00:22:46,090 --> 00:22:48,929 Speaker 2: differently when it comes to your health, your fitness and 425 00:22:48,970 --> 00:22:51,910 Speaker 2: your relationship with your body and food and where that 426 00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: came from. and how we can honor things from the 427 00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:58,460 Speaker 2: past and start moving to just a healthier place of 428 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 2: freedom with our bodies and our minds and our spirits. 429 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 1: And that's so important, Diana, because I know, like for 430 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,700 Speaker 1: myself and probably the other women listening, we might not 431 00:23:08,859 --> 00:23:12,260 Speaker 1: have known to call it a body story, but we 432 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,060 Speaker 1: all have thoughts and feelings about our body. And typically 433 00:23:16,140 --> 00:23:19,330 Speaker 1: as women, they're not the most positive things that we're 434 00:23:19,410 --> 00:23:22,070 Speaker 1: thinking about. I have a dear friend who said to 435 00:23:22,109 --> 00:23:24,609 Speaker 1: me once that she was really glad that she had 436 00:23:24,690 --> 00:23:27,670 Speaker 1: three sons because she did not want to hand over 437 00:23:27,770 --> 00:23:30,750 Speaker 1: her body image problems to a daughter. And I thought, 438 00:23:31,109 --> 00:23:35,010 Speaker 1: how sad, right? That she didn't want to... She loved... 439 00:23:35,230 --> 00:23:37,149 Speaker 1: You know, she would love her children so much she 440 00:23:37,210 --> 00:23:39,010 Speaker 1: wouldn't want to hand that to a girl, but she 441 00:23:39,050 --> 00:23:41,970 Speaker 1: hadn't dealt with her stuff. And it doesn't have to 442 00:23:42,130 --> 00:23:44,870 Speaker 1: be that way. What I'm hearing you say is like 443 00:23:44,910 --> 00:23:47,100 Speaker 1: there is hope. There are things that we can do 444 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: to make peace with our body story and to move 445 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: forward feeling confident in who God made us. Everything that 446 00:23:54,820 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: I've looked at of yours, it's all based in scripture. 447 00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:01,020 Speaker 1: It's all about a heart transformation change. We're not just talking, 448 00:24:01,380 --> 00:24:05,470 Speaker 1: you know, behavior modification, do this, do that. We're talking 449 00:24:05,490 --> 00:24:08,250 Speaker 1: about really going deep so that we can sustain any 450 00:24:08,330 --> 00:24:09,970 Speaker 1: transformation that way. Yes. 451 00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:13,530 Speaker 2: And so much that you just said there is first 452 00:24:13,690 --> 00:24:16,909 Speaker 2: is the lies of the enemy that take root in us. 453 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 2: And again, the reason for the lies of the enemy 454 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,500 Speaker 2: is usually part of our story. It's something that, again, 455 00:24:23,660 --> 00:24:26,340 Speaker 2: didn't happen to you or did, that the enemy handed 456 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,060 Speaker 2: you a lie when you were very young, when you 457 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,130 Speaker 2: don't have all of the resources to fight it back, says, see, 458 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:37,409 Speaker 2: you're not enough. See, you're not worthy. Nobody's going to 459 00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:40,790 Speaker 2: love you. He hands these lies so early in life 460 00:24:40,810 --> 00:24:44,550 Speaker 2: that that end up shaping our relationship with our bodies, 461 00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 2: our relationship with other people. We literally carry them out. 462 00:24:48,700 --> 00:24:52,020 Speaker 2: And so to the woman that is struggling with that 463 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,530 Speaker 2: body image and has struggled with it her entire life, 464 00:24:55,690 --> 00:24:58,010 Speaker 2: I think, The body map will be helpful just because 465 00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:00,150 Speaker 2: it also helps you understand there's a root and there's 466 00:25:00,170 --> 00:25:02,730 Speaker 2: a reason. And it is not because that is the 467 00:25:02,850 --> 00:25:05,210 Speaker 2: voice of the Lord that was spoken of you. It 468 00:25:05,250 --> 00:25:08,350 Speaker 2: was not words of life. I call them words of death. 469 00:25:08,770 --> 00:25:12,630 Speaker 2: And how many women speak words of death over their 470 00:25:12,790 --> 00:25:17,379 Speaker 2: own bodies every single day? And I'm guilty of it too. 471 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 2: I still, all these years later, there are still days 472 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:26,460 Speaker 2: where I find myself cursing my own body. And that's 473 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,060 Speaker 2: exactly what the enemy wants us doing. So when I 474 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 2: catch myself doing that, I first renounce any curse that 475 00:25:32,580 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 2: I have made over my own body and I rebuke 476 00:25:34,980 --> 00:25:37,900 Speaker 2: it because I'm like, that is not what God says 477 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 2: is true of me. It's not what he says is 478 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 2: true of my body. I must speak words of life 479 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,260 Speaker 2: over my body and receive words of life over my body. 480 00:25:47,619 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 2: So when there's a woman who is stuck in that pattern, 481 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,149 Speaker 2: there is absolutely hope for them to unravel some of 482 00:25:56,190 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: those things. And it's not going to be perfect. There's 483 00:26:00,130 --> 00:26:03,500 Speaker 2: rarely going to be someone who's just like, oh, yes, 484 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: the lies of the enemy are never going to sneak 485 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 2: back in there in a moment of stress. And that's 486 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,140 Speaker 2: okay as long as we can know them and we say, nope, 487 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,530 Speaker 2: I speak life over my body. I am so grateful 488 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,350 Speaker 2: for this body that has gotten me to where I 489 00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:21,189 Speaker 2: am today. I am so grateful. If you know anything 490 00:26:21,230 --> 00:26:25,570 Speaker 2: about your body, it is the most fascinating, unbelievable thing. 491 00:26:26,130 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 2: One of the things that the Lord has created. It 492 00:26:27,930 --> 00:26:31,860 Speaker 2: is unbelievable how our bodies work and function. We can 493 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 2: produce other humans. I mean, it's really... It's like really 494 00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 2: incredible and how it carried you through hard stuff, really, 495 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,270 Speaker 2: really hard stuff for some people. It carried you through 496 00:26:46,510 --> 00:26:48,649 Speaker 2: all of that. And so it's like we can say, 497 00:26:48,830 --> 00:26:51,689 Speaker 2: we can say thank you. We can start recognizing the 498 00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:55,230 Speaker 2: lies of the enemy. We can start rebuking and renouncing them. 499 00:26:55,630 --> 00:26:59,420 Speaker 2: We can start speaking words of life. And then repentance 500 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 2: may need to be a piece of it too. And 501 00:27:01,700 --> 00:27:03,990 Speaker 2: sometimes people hear that and think, you know, oh, I 502 00:27:04,030 --> 00:27:08,230 Speaker 2: don't know if I have to repent. But anything that 503 00:27:08,270 --> 00:27:10,990 Speaker 2: has been placed between us and our relationship with the Lord, 504 00:27:11,490 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 2: I don't want that thing there. I don't want it there. 505 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:19,620 Speaker 2: So anything that I turn to... and said, okay, this 506 00:27:19,740 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 2: is what's going to make me whole instead of you, Lord. 507 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,990 Speaker 2: I'm like, Lord, I am sorry. I repent of that 508 00:27:25,290 --> 00:27:28,149 Speaker 2: because I want my heart home with you. I don't 509 00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:31,830 Speaker 2: want anything that's separating me from you. And so a 510 00:27:32,550 --> 00:27:36,109 Speaker 2: heart of repentance of the things that we have turned 511 00:27:36,190 --> 00:27:40,030 Speaker 2: to instead of him, that just means we remove that 512 00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:42,790 Speaker 2: barrier so we can get closer to his heart and 513 00:27:42,869 --> 00:27:44,530 Speaker 2: really hear and see him better. 514 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:48,880 Speaker 1: And that's where freedom and joy is, right? For everybody. 515 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,479 Speaker 1: I mean, we're talking to women over 40 today, but 516 00:27:51,619 --> 00:27:55,179 Speaker 1: that is the idea is for that freedom. And you 517 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,050 Speaker 1: all that are with us today listening, I'm going to 518 00:27:58,130 --> 00:28:02,070 Speaker 1: put all of Diana's information, the SoulFit TV, the SoulStrong, 519 00:28:02,109 --> 00:28:05,429 Speaker 1: the BodyMap giveaway. I will put all of that in 520 00:28:05,450 --> 00:28:07,469 Speaker 1: the show notes so that you can grab it and 521 00:28:07,570 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: learn more. Diana, we're almost out of time, but maybe 522 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,820 Speaker 1: what is one last thing you want to share to 523 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,379 Speaker 1: a woman who's over 40, who's just like, I have 524 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,530 Speaker 1: buried so many things and I want to be free. 525 00:28:20,170 --> 00:28:24,990 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say this time on your journey, let's 526 00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:29,290 Speaker 2: not jump straight from our head to our feet. This time, 527 00:28:29,390 --> 00:28:32,550 Speaker 2: instead of just saying, okay, I think something is wrong. 528 00:28:32,590 --> 00:28:36,090 Speaker 2: I feel like something is wrong. Something needs correction. So 529 00:28:36,150 --> 00:28:37,770 Speaker 2: I'm going to just jump to the plan. I'm going 530 00:28:37,790 --> 00:28:39,270 Speaker 2: to jump to the diet. I'm going to jump to 531 00:28:39,290 --> 00:28:42,260 Speaker 2: the workout and I'm going to skip my heart. So 532 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,590 Speaker 2: this time, I would just encourage you what you're hearing 533 00:28:46,650 --> 00:28:50,410 Speaker 2: in your head, don't bypass your heart. Don't jump straight 534 00:28:50,490 --> 00:28:53,650 Speaker 2: to the feet. Like, let's actually go and take a 535 00:28:53,690 --> 00:28:55,540 Speaker 2: look at what's going in the heart because that's where 536 00:28:55,580 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 2: those stories are living. That's where the lies of the enemies, 537 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: that's where the things that we want to just take 538 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: to Jesus' feet and then also find places in community 539 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,970 Speaker 2: that we can do that healing work together. But that's 540 00:29:07,010 --> 00:29:09,870 Speaker 2: my encouragement. That's what I do. The work I do 541 00:29:09,950 --> 00:29:13,290 Speaker 2: in SoulStrong is like, let's instead of jumping from head 542 00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:16,410 Speaker 2: to feet, like, let's go head to heart to feet. 543 00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: That's awesome because many of us have been doing head 544 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,660 Speaker 1: to feet for years and it has not worked. So 545 00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: to know that we go from head to heart and 546 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,350 Speaker 1: have that opportunity to have lasting transformation, that's real freedom 547 00:29:29,430 --> 00:29:31,950 Speaker 1: and joy. So Diana, thank you for coming and for 548 00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: joining me today on the Hope for the Journey podcast. 549 00:29:34,540 --> 00:29:35,219 Speaker 2: Thank you, Monica. 550 00:29:35,420 --> 00:29:36,420 Speaker 1: It was so good to have you.