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Speaker 1: Harmie Dylan, who is now at the Trump Justice Department,

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Speaker 1: is remaking the enforcement of.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to talk about well, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: focus on an important development of the DOJ involving civil rights,

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Speaker 1: something I just saw on social media. This was the

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Speaker 1: world's number one women's player, Arena Sablenka, and she was

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Speaker 1: A very interesting question because I've noticed I might have

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Speaker 2: And this is very telling because you know, the.

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Speaker 1: And this is not my opinion. This has been said

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Speaker 1: To quote to quote her, she said, these are like

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Speaker 1: So she stated the correct position. But the hesitation is telling,

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Speaker 1: Now in the same connection, which is the connection of

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about my old Dartmouth buddy, Harmeat

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Speaker 1: And this is the color blind principle. But it's the

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Speaker 1: like good discrimination, bad discrimination, discrimination against whites is okay.

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Speaker 1: Discrimination against minorities is discrimination against whites is okay. Discrimination

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Speaker 1: So this rule is having a disparate impact on women. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: the government would use the disparate impact test to bully,

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Speaker 2: And so this is.

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Speaker 1: Actually a completely fallacious way to try to prove discrimination

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Speaker 1: Let's say you show wait a minute, this is having

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Speaker 1: disparate impact test is bogus.

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Speaker 2: And yet it's.

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Speaker 1: Been a way of measuring discrimination for fifty years. So

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Speaker 1: we've got to give big kudos here to har Meat,

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Speaker 1: big kudos to her colleagues at the Department of Justice.

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Speaker 1: Why because they have essentially said disparate impact now goes

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Speaker 1: If you want to prove discrimination, first of all, you

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Speaker 1: The disparate impact just doesn't enter the picture at all.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to be considered. Here's harmeid. Our rejection

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Speaker 1: by requiring proof of actual discrimination rather than enforcing race

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Speaker 1: for Christ and Country. The Martyrdom of Charlie Kirk. By

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Speaker 1: Thomas Allen A L. L. E. N. Drew, Welcome, Thank

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Speaker 1: you for coming on. I really appreciate it. Charlie Kirk's

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Speaker 1: There is an element here in which the Sublime has

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Speaker 4: social experiment of the left, which is the transgenderism.

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Speaker 2: You know, Drew.

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Speaker 1: What I find strange about it is this, Let's say

436
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Speaker 1: that the shooter was some kind of a maga guy, right,

437
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Speaker 1: and let's say, for whatever reason, that this was a

438
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Speaker 1: guy who had a beef with Charlie Cook. I can

439
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Speaker 1: then understand that you'd have right wingers who were like

440
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Speaker 1: very reluctant to believe it, and so they want to

441
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Speaker 1: cook up some other theory and know it was you

442
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Speaker 1: know it was a deep state operation. But when you

443
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Speaker 1: have a guy, the shooter, who is on the left,

444
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Speaker 1: he's dating a trans individual, You've got all these texts

445
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Speaker 1: flying back and forth, You've got the opportunity to bust

446
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Speaker 1: what could be a violent trans ring. And by the way,

447
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Speaker 1: I think you and I know that there are, regardless

448
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Speaker 1: of this incident, pockets of these kinds of people. They

449
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Speaker 1: go to military training, they plan for violent actions. So

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Speaker 1: this is a kind of almost a gifted opportunity to

451
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Speaker 1: the Trump administration to bust all this open. Is there

452
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Speaker 1: an antifa connection? Is this tran tifa some people like

453
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Speaker 1: to call it. And what you're saying is and this

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Speaker 1: is what puzzles me. Why would somebody on the right

455
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Speaker 1: want to take our collective eye off the ball and

456
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Speaker 1: direct us down these idiot rabbit holes where never is

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Speaker 1: there a single new fact ever put forward. There's never

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Speaker 1: any verifiable evidence. There's not even a good rival theory

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Speaker 1: to explain who a what, oh why would they do this?

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Speaker 1: There's just insinuation on top of insinuation. I mean, this

461
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Speaker 1: looks to me to be not only a performative and

462
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Speaker 1: stupid and opportunistic, but highly destructive to an opportunity that's

463
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Speaker 1: right before us to get something good accomplished here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, Canissons is no better than Jake Tapper,

465
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Speaker 4: who went on the air recently and said that the

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Speaker 4: person the FBI arrested in connection with the January sixth

467
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Speaker 4: pipe bombing incident that he was white. She's no better

468
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Speaker 4: than these leftists in Canisons is far worse. What she's

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Speaker 4: doing and has done for three months is far worse

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Speaker 4: than anything Jimmy Kimmel even did when he went on

471
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Speaker 4: his show in the aftermath of the assassination of Charlie

472
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Speaker 4: Kirk and told his audience and you know, all six

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Speaker 4: people that watch whatever at the time, but you know,

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Speaker 4: and he told his audience that it was a MAGA

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Speaker 4: supporter that did it. You know, at least in that circumstance,

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Speaker 4: there was some pushback, right, I mean, you know it

477
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Speaker 4: was controversial because you know, even the FCC chair Brendan Carr,

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Speaker 4: you know, was he didn't take any action. He didn't

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Speaker 4: he didn't do anything, but he talked about how inappropriate

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Speaker 4: it was. Yeah, we didn't even get that with you know,

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Speaker 4: the cant of so and stuff, and it's so odd.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I I don't know. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 4: believe that online is real. Social media is not necessarily

484
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Speaker 4: you know, the real world either. But people have seemed

485
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Speaker 4: to display a fear of calling her out and and

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Speaker 4: you know this isn't you know, and this is this

487
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Speaker 4: is a good lesson too in I mean, you to

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Speaker 4: treat can of so Owans like she's a leftist, and frankly,

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Speaker 4: I think she is a left leftist at this point.

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Speaker 4: I mean she acts like one the way she you know,

491
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Speaker 4: you're guilty until proven innocent. You know, she just makes

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Speaker 4: an accusation and then it's up to you to prove

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Speaker 4: your innocence. The way she plays victim every time, And

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Speaker 4: she's so vicious going after a widow, pretending you know

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Speaker 4: that she would care about Charlie Kirk's death more than

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Speaker 4: Erica Kirk, for example. But I just I'm at a

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Speaker 4: loss for words. Why why someone would would behave this way?

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're handing the left of victory essentially.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's what I just saw one of her,

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Speaker 1: one of her top supporters or one of her big followers.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I grieved more over my last paper cut

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Speaker 1: than seemingly Erica grieved over Charlie's death. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: is a this is the kind of thing that you

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Speaker 1: should not say and uh, and yet there's quite a

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Speaker 1: lot of it. And then if you even raise a

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Speaker 1: question and go why would you.

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Speaker 2: Say something so abominable?

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Speaker 1: You get a hornet's nest of like Canda Sites, you know,

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Speaker 1: blasting you, uh and accusing you of not wanting to

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Speaker 1: get in the truth. Leave Candace alone. She's a fearless investigator.

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Speaker 1: I mean, what has this woman ever investigated?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What new fact has she brought into the world?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean nothing. I mean she'd be nowhere if

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Speaker 4: it weren't for I guess Kanye West retweeting something of

516
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Speaker 4: hers long ago. And then Charlie Kirk himself picking her

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Speaker 4: up out of the river like Moses, and you know,

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Speaker 4: lifting her up and giving her opportunity. That's the thing.

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Speaker 4: Charlie Kirk built people up. Cannus Owens is determined to

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Speaker 4: just tear the entire organization down. And one of the

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Speaker 4: things I find just incredible. D Nash about these attacks

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Speaker 4: on Erica Kirk is you know a lot of these

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Speaker 4: people attacking Erica Kirk. I mean many are let's just

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Speaker 4: say traditional feminists, not even Feminazis that take it so far.

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Speaker 4: But you know they talk about how women should be strong, right,

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Speaker 4: women should be able to do these these jobs that

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Speaker 4: men do or whatever else. And here you have an

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Speaker 4: example of Erica Kirk who is bucking up. She's going

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Speaker 4: out there trying to continue her husband's legacy. She's showing

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Speaker 4: absolute strength, strength that I would not possess in such

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Speaker 4: an emotional catastrophe and tragic situation. And you've got these

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Speaker 4: people attacking her for being a strong woman. It's mind

533
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Speaker 4: blowing to me. And it's like she can't win. And

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Speaker 4: I mean this is part of the cultural decay that

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Speaker 4: obviously the left as large as a response before, and

536
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Speaker 4: it ties into what led it to Kirk's assassination too.

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Speaker 4: It's just the way we behave the lack of civil

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Speaker 4: you know, appropriate civil discourse anymore. You can't even have

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Speaker 4: respect for someone who lost her her husband. I mean, Denesh,

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Speaker 4: you know what, you know what the genesis was for

541
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 4: this book? For me, it was so I cried for

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Speaker 4: a week, and I don't cry. I cried for a

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Speaker 4: week after Charlie Kirk died, and I was trying to

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Speaker 4: figure out, you know, why the heck is this having

545
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Speaker 4: such an impact on me? And it was because it

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Speaker 4: was so close to home. I was picking up. So

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Speaker 4: I'm married, I've got two daughters. One is, you know,

548
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Speaker 4: approaching three, the other one's almost one years old. Charlie

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Speaker 4: had two kids, a three year old and a one

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Speaker 4: year old. In his case, he had a daughter and

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Speaker 4: a son. And I was picking up my you know,

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Speaker 4: two and a half year old daughter from preschool, and

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Speaker 4: my wife had told me that that morning, Hey, you

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Speaker 4: cause I don't usually pick her up from school. My

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Speaker 4: wife said, you know, yesterday when I picked up Whyona

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Speaker 4: is my daughter's oldest daughter's name? You know, she was

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Speaker 4: asking for dad, Dad, Dad, Dad in the car, dadad

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Speaker 4: in the car and I wasn't And I was like,

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Speaker 4: you know what, I'm gonna go with you and we're

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Speaker 4: gonna pick her up today. I want to see that

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Speaker 4: smile on her face when I show up. And I

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Speaker 4: pulled into the parking lot with my wife ten minutes

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Speaker 4: you know, before you know, noon or something. I live

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Speaker 4: in California, and that's when she gets picked up and

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Speaker 4: I my phone lit up with a notification that Charlie

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Speaker 4: Kirk had been shot. And my wife went to get

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Speaker 4: our uh, our daughter, and I saw the video, you know,

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Speaker 4: and anybody who saw that video new and like, there's

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Speaker 4: no way, Oh yeah, there's just no way you can

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Speaker 4: survive it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And so my daughter comes running to the car just

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Speaker 4: screaming so joyfully, you know, dad, that I was there,

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Speaker 4: and it was this this moment where what I had

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Speaker 4: right there that was so pure and perfect was ripped

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Speaker 4: away in that same moment from Charlie's kids and Charlie's family.

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Speaker 4: And this was a human being, a Christian, a father,

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Speaker 4: a doting husband, and just snuffed out like that. And

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Speaker 4: I wanted to know why, and I wanted it to

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Speaker 4: never happen again. And that's when I started to write

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Speaker 4: the book. And then I got to deal with Candice

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Speaker 4: Owns and other people out there. They don't seem to

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Speaker 4: have any ounce of humanity and then whatsoever to look

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Speaker 4: at that issue and what happened and what happened to

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Speaker 4: Kirk family, and instead they want to go down this

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Speaker 4: rabbit hole of conspiracies and for her to hijack this

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Speaker 4: like it hurt her more than it hurt anybody else,

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Speaker 4: and this is the justification for her going down and

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Speaker 4: doing this and undermining his entire legacy. Despicable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to agree, guys.

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Speaker 1: I've been talking to Drew Thomas Allen, author and commentator.

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Speaker 2: Drew, thank you very much for joining me.

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Speaker 4: God bless you to Naesh.

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Speaker 1: joining me. There's this really bizarre story where in the

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Speaker 1: Midwestern school they were vaccinating kids without parental consent and

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Speaker 1: RFK goes no more of this. We need some measures

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Speaker 1: to prevent it. From happening again, what is your assessment

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Speaker 1: of this incident? And I mean, schools shouldn't be able

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Speaker 5: The word wrong is not even strong enough.

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Speaker 6: Really, it's despicable, and as a parent myself, if that

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Speaker 6: send our kids to school for education, socialization, not for vaccination.

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Speaker 6: And you know, parents, they're the primary caregivers and they're

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Speaker 6: the ones who need to make they're the best position

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Speaker 6: to evaluate what aligns with their child's medical needs, not

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Speaker 6: the schools. And I think what we have to remember

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Speaker 6: is that vaccination is a medical intervention and a lot

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Speaker 6: of people believe such decisions should require consent rather than coercion.

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Speaker 6: And we have seen so much damage that these vaccines

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Speaker 6: can do. And I hope that this child, and I

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Speaker 6: don't know anything about him or her, but I hope

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Speaker 5: But man, that is really scary.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think what you're saying is that I

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Speaker 1: it's this is for the benefit of the kid. This

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Speaker 1: is for the benefit of the other kids. Vaccines are

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Speaker 1: a good thing to take. I think what you're saying

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Speaker 1: is that for all vaccines there are risks, and the

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Speaker 1: real question is shouldn't the parents be the one to

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Speaker 1: make the decision about whether to undertake those risks? And

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Speaker 1: this is not an authority that is some been given

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Speaker 1: over to the school, right, So can you outline what

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Speaker 1: a couple of those risks are?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Sure, yeah.

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Speaker 6: I mean, no one should ever stick a needle in

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Speaker 6: your child's arm without asking your permission. But even if

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Speaker 6: they have it, it's just not what you do at

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Speaker 6: a school. And the damage is you know, the evidence

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Speaker 6: shows there's been so many things that have gone wrong

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Speaker 6: with people, and one of the most commonly discussed are

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Speaker 6: the cardiac events that occur shortly after the actual vaccination.

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Speaker 6: It's not a secret that there had been people dropping

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Speaker 6: dead of a heart attack or having strokes shortly after

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Speaker 6: receiving the COVID vaccine. And you know, I really want

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Speaker 6: to focus on another type of damage, which is really

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Speaker 6: the damage done to our gut microbiomes. And we are

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Speaker 6: learning more and more about the gut microbiome and how

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Speaker 6: it affects all of the areas of the body.

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Speaker 5: And you know, the microbiome.

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Speaker 6: It's a vast community of tiny living things that live

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Speaker 6: on and inside your body, your skin, on your gut.

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Speaker 6: It is crucial for your health, right for successful health.

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Speaker 6: And what happens is when the microbiome is disrupted the

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Speaker 6: balance the good versus the bad microbes, it just has

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Speaker 6: a higher incidence of DNA damage, oxidative stress, cellular mutation,

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Speaker 6: and it significantly increases your risk of cancer.

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Speaker 2: You said cancer.

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Speaker 1: In other words, you're talking about the fact that if

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Speaker 1: your gut is a sort of part in my colloquial

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Speaker 1: like out of whack, you're saying that it can have

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Speaker 1: all kinds of bad effects, including potentially exposing you to

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Speaker 1: the risk of cancer. Is there some medical basis for that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm glad you asked.

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Speaker 6: And actually I was reading a recent study that measured

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Speaker 6: the potential of lactic acid bacteria that's found in to

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Speaker 6: prevent cancer. And I'm really excited about the study. Kimchi

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Speaker 6: and I've been on here talking about it in the past.

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Speaker 6: It's just such an amazing superfood and you know, just

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Speaker 6: to simplify what the study says, it's really you know,

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Speaker 6: the probiotics and kimchi, especially W. Siberia and L. Plantarum.

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Speaker 6: What they do is they help block cancer promoting enzymes,

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Speaker 6: They fight harmful bacteria, support gut health, boost your immune system,

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Speaker 6: reduces inflammation, lowers cholesterol, and all those things put together

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Speaker 6: may prevent cancer.

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Speaker 5: So it's really important.

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Speaker 6: And you know I've said up before, kimchi contains over

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Speaker 6: nine hundred strains of beneficial bacteria, more than any other

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Speaker 6: fermented food.

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Speaker 5: That's why we call it the King of fermented foods.

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Speaker 6: And it's also the best way to support your gut

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Speaker 6: microbio and therefore your immune system, because we know that

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Speaker 6: seventy percent of your immune system is housed in your gut.

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Speaker 6: And not only that, but you know it's been shown

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Speaker 6: to improve brain health, reduce risk of obesity, improve cardiovascular health,

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Speaker 6: which you know is another study that just came out

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Speaker 6: as well.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you, Elie, are a representative with with Bright

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Speaker 1: Core Nutrition, and I think it's what's kind of cool

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Speaker 1: about this is that you know, neither of us are Korean,

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Speaker 1: so we probably don't eat the Korean diet every day,

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Speaker 1: and even if there's a Korean restaurant near our houses,

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Speaker 1: we're probably not going to be go, you know, going

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Speaker 1: there five days a week or seven days a week

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Speaker 1: to eat. And what right Core has done is sort

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Speaker 1: of make life simple for everybody by taking this kind

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Speaker 1: of Korean super food, namely kimchi, and basically packaging it

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Speaker 1: in a capsule right where you can easily just pop

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Speaker 1: it in, you're done. You get all the benefits of it.

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Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about how right Core makes kim

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Speaker 6: Well, like you said, you know, we don't live in Korea,

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Speaker 6: and you know, we all know about the glass skin

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Speaker 6: and the Koreans live six years longer than Americans.

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Speaker 5: It's because kimchi is so powerful.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's reducing blood glucose, triglycerides, blood pressure, obesity,

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Speaker 6: the list goes on and on and so at Brightcore,

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Speaker 6: the importance of daily consumption, create a convenient capsule with

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Speaker 6: no hassle, no mess, no odor. Because not everyone loves kimchi.

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Speaker 5: I love it, but you know it's it's it's hard.

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Speaker 5: People just don't.

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Speaker 6: It's just not something it's not a staple in our

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Speaker 6: diet that we eat every day, and so we've created

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Speaker 6: this capsule. It's one hundred percent made in the USA,

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Speaker 6: free because if you eat it out of the jar,

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Speaker 6: there is a lot of sodium, which, as we know,

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Speaker 6: leads to other health problems. But the success stories is

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Speaker 6: And you know, when we talk to our customers and

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Speaker 6: I talk to my clients, it's improved digestion and regularity,

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Speaker 6: it's increased energy, less fog, right brain fob, the tabolism,

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Speaker 6: the stronger and thicker hair and skin less wrinkles.

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Speaker 5: You know, I've said it before.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to be fifty next year, and I have

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Speaker 6: It It strengthens your immune system. So everyone's just feeling

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Speaker 2: Ellie.

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Speaker 1: As we close out, let's talk about some good deals

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Speaker 1: from my viewers and listeners. What is right Core offering

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Speaker 1: them so that well, I mean, the kimchi speaks for itself,

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Speaker 1: but just to motivate them to do it right now, kind.

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Speaker 2: Of a spur to action. What can you offer them?

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Speaker 6: Sure, Well, you can get twenty five percent off with

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Speaker 1: And Ellie Hurst, thank you very much for joining me.

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Speaker 5: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: I plan to talk today about the mind and the brain.

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Speaker 1: We are in the chapter on neuroscience in my book

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Speaker 1: Life After Death the evidence, and we are going to

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Speaker 1: try to answer, to refute, to challenge the materialist notion,

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Speaker 1: the notion of reductive materialism, that the mind can be

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Speaker 1: reduced to the brain. Here is a saying from a

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Speaker 1: Dutch physiologist a long time ago. The brain secretes thoughts

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Speaker 1: as the kidney secretes urine.

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Speaker 2: Let's he's saying, He's basically saying, is.

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Speaker 1: That the mind and the brain by and large are

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Speaker 1: material productions and function no differently than other material objects

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Speaker 1: in the body. Now we know that the mind and

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Speaker 1: the brain are connected in certain ways. You can monitor

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Speaker 1: for example, through pet scans, through MRI you can see

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Speaker 1: brain activity in a real time. And this brain activity

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Speaker 1: is in fact correlated with mental functions. There are parts

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Speaker 1: of the there's the language part of the brain. There

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Speaker 1: is the hippocampus, which deals with memory, is the amygdala,

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Speaker 1: which deals with emotions. So it is in fact the

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Speaker 1: case that certain functions of the brain can be identified

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Speaker 1: and linked with the mind. Not only that, but in

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Speaker 1: recent decades there's been some amazing research on phantom limbs.

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Speaker 1: So phantom limbs are cases where your limb, your arm,

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Speaker 1: your leg is amputated, but you experience pain in the

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Speaker 1: phantom limb. Wow, how can you experience pain in something

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Speaker 1: that is not even there. The truth of it is

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Speaker 1: that the mind intuits the presence of the limb, even

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Speaker 1: though the limb has in a sense gone away, and

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Speaker 1: the phantom limb, the missing limb, can never the less

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Speaker 1: generate experiences. Now, the fact that we can experience pain

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Speaker 1: and phantom limbs seems to convey to scientists that again,

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Speaker 1: the mind is simply in this case generating a sort

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Speaker 1: of illusion.

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Speaker 2: In other words, that the brain produces.

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Speaker 1: The mind in the same way that let's say, your

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Speaker 1: stomach produces digestion. Now, this notion again that brains and

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Speaker 1: minds are connected. Although I'm giving you some kind of

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Speaker 1: cutting edge examples of it.

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Speaker 2: This is really old.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing really new here. Going back to the first

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Speaker 1: century BC, the Greek philosopher Lucretius says, hey, when we

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Speaker 1: get older, our body ages our mind, our brain, if

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Speaker 1: you will. The physical brain gets weaker and so does

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Speaker 1: the mind.

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Speaker 2: So the two go together.

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Speaker 1: The brain and the mind are both weakening, you could say, simultaneously.

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Speaker 1: Memory starts dissolving the same way that the physical.

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Speaker 2: Brain is deteriorating.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows that disease and injury can impair mental functioning.

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Speaker 1: The physician Hippocrates recognize that when your brain deteriorates, you

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Speaker 1: can lose your sanity. So sanity, of course, is the

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Speaker 1: function of the mind. Someone who's insane has lost their mind,

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Speaker 1: and the physical debilitation of the brain is related to that.

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Speaker 1: Galen discovered centuries ago that when you make certain types

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Speaker 1: of lesions or cuts in the brains of animals, it

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Speaker 1: produces things like blindness, paralysis, and a reduced sense of consciousness.

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Speaker 1: And we also know that physical things affect the mind

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Speaker 1: in other ways. You eat a really big meal and

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Speaker 1: then your mind is a bit drowsy. You begin to

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Speaker 1: you can't concentrate as well. You drink about to glasses

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Speaker 1: of wine and you don't lose your mind, but your

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Speaker 1: mind becomes a lot less clear. So we can safely

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Speaker 1: assume that, you know, if you take out a man's brain,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to be able to think. I grant that,

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Speaker 1: but I still think that the relationship between the mind

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Speaker 1: and the brain is not clearly established, even after all

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Speaker 1: these centuries of scientific What is the relationship between the

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Speaker 1: mind and the brain. Even though mind states are dependent

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Speaker 1: on brain states, it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Follow that the two are the same.

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Speaker 1: Or even that one causes the other. Let me give

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Speaker 1: you a couple of examples of what I mean.

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Speaker 2: If you.

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Speaker 1: Want to listen to Mozart, you might need like the

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Speaker 1: app on your phone, right, so the Apple Music plays

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Speaker 1: Mozart for you, And so without the phone you don't

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Speaker 1: get the motes you.

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Speaker 1: But would anybody claim that somehow the phone is the

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Speaker 1: same as the music, or the phone is causing the music. No,

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Speaker 1: you can get the music many other ways. The music

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Speaker 1: is actually separate from the phone. The phone is merely

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Speaker 1: the sort of vehicle the pipe to generate the sound.

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Speaker 1: Of course, if you break the phone, the music won't

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Speaker 1: come out of it. But on the other hand, you

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Speaker 1: can go to an opera and hear the same music

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Speaker 1: without the phone. So think of a computer that has

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Speaker 1: software and hardware. Of course, the software is dependent on

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Speaker 1: the hardware. Smash the computer and you're not the software

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Speaker 1: in it is not going to work. Set the computer

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Speaker 1: on fire and you're not going to be able to

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Speaker 1: use it. The software becomes dysfunctional. But who would claim

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Speaker 1: that the hardware quote causes the software.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't.

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Speaker 1: The hardware and the softa where actually two different things.

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Speaker 1: That software it can be deployed other than in a computer.

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Speaker 1: It can be deployed, for example, in a phone on

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Speaker 1: a tablet, and so again, the hardware is merely the

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Speaker 1: kind of physical frame that contains the software. So the

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Speaker 1: point I'm getting at is that there is a possibility

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Speaker 1: that our thoughts and our mind is are merely located

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Speaker 1: in the brain. The brain is like the receiver of

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Speaker 1: the mind, but it's not the same as as the mind. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is a really tough issue for modern neuroscience, and

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Speaker 1: there have been two ways of trying to associate the

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Speaker 1: mind with the brain, and I'm going to argue that

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Speaker 1: both of them fall short. I will just mention the

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Speaker 1: two ways and then discuss the first one the second

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Speaker 1: one I'm going to leave for Monday. So the first

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Speaker 1: one is that the mind and the brain are the same.

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Speaker 1: The mind is the brain, and therefore a mental state

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Speaker 1: let's say, being really sad or having a particular idea,

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Speaker 1: is nothing more than the brain state that is connected

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Speaker 1: to that mental state. So, for example, let's just say

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Speaker 1: I'm doing an equation. The neurons in my brain are

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Speaker 1: like in a certain configuration, They're mapped out in a

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Speaker 1: certain way. That way that configuration is in fact the

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Speaker 1: thought that I'm having with regard to the equation. There's

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Speaker 1: no difference between the two. The one is the same

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Speaker 1: as the other. This is a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: hard idea to grasp, but think about it sort of

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Speaker 1: this way. Light is not caused by electromagnetic waves. Light

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Speaker 1: actually is an electro magnetic wave. The morning star and

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Speaker 1: the evening star appear to be different, but as it

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Speaker 1: turns out, in fact, for many centuries they were thought

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Speaker 1: to be different, but now we know they are different

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Speaker 1: names for the same star. So the morning star is Venus,

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Speaker 1: the evening star is Venus, and similarly, the mind is

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Speaker 1: the brain. The brain is the mind. There is no

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Speaker 1: difference between the two. Now, as we'll see when I

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Speaker 1: pick all this up. This is in fact, this doesn't

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Speaker 1: really work, but this is what a lot of neuroscientists

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Speaker 1: are forced to believe because they don't know how to

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Speaker 1: otherwise understand the relationship between the mind and the brain.

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Speaker 1: The second way, the second theory to account for this

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Speaker 1: relationship is called functionalism, and functionalism basically says that you

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Speaker 1: can understand a thing by looking not at what it is,

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Speaker 1: but at how it functions.

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Speaker 2: So like, what's a mousetrap.

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Speaker 1: Well, a mousetrap doesn't have to be a box, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to have one of those snapshot things,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't necessarily have to have a window. A mousetrap

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Speaker 1: is just pretty much whatever catches mice. That's called a mousetrap.

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Speaker 1: We know a mousetrap by its function. So by this theory,

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Speaker 1: the mind is kind of what it makes you do. So,

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Speaker 1: for example, if you are in a particular state of mind,

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Speaker 1: you can understand that not by the abstraction what is

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Speaker 1: that state of mind, but what does it actually make

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Speaker 1: you act. Let's say, for example, that you are depressed.

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Speaker 2: The question is what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Do you sit quiet in a room and look at

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Speaker 1: the ceiling, do you take pills? You go jump off

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Speaker 1: a cliff? Well, those actions you can see what's going

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Speaker 1: on here. By and large, you have a scientific community.

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Speaker 1: There's fun around by trying to take a mental state

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Speaker 1: which cannot be explained and reduce it to something physical.

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Speaker 1: Reduce it either to the physical neurons in your brain,

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Speaker 1: or reduce it to the actions that makes you do Like,

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Speaker 1: how do I know that someone, let's.

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Speaker 2: Just say, is in love? Well, I don't know. But

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Speaker 2: what I do is I say things like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: did that guy go out and say I love you?

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Speaker 1: Did that guy go out and buy a ring?

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Speaker 2: Did that guy.

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Speaker 1: Dance up and down and seem really happy with the world. Well,

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Speaker 1: then I know that that person is in love because

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Speaker 1: they've done the actions the functions that come out of that.

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Speaker 1: So these are two I'm going to argue really clumsy

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Speaker 1: ways that modern neuroscience tries to take something immaterial and

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Speaker 1: reduce it to the material. And what I'll do next time,

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Speaker 1: this will be Monday, is go through these two theories.

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Speaker 1: Number one, the theory of identity the mind is the brain,

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Speaker 1: and the second one, which is that the mind is

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Speaker 1: what it causes you to do, the functional theory, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to show why neither of them really work.

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