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Speaker 1: I guse they have no one better to do an extended.

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Speaker 2: Review of the president's speech than Eli Lake.

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Speaker 1: Eli is a correspondent for the Free Press, a columnist

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Speaker 1: for the Free Press. He's got a great new Free

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Speaker 1: Press column out, No Taco from Trump this Time about

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Speaker 1: last night's speech. He's also the host of the wonderful

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Speaker 1: podcast Breaking History.

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Speaker 2: Eli. Welcome.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with your overview on the president's speech last night.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it was a in some ways you

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Speaker 3: could argue we should have given it at the beginning

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Speaker 3: of the war, but it was an explanation for how

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Speaker 3: we got here. He laid out the history of his

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Speaker 3: own policies and the history of N's threats. He explained,

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Speaker 3: I think a very important concept which has not been

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Speaker 3: which is that regardless of the progress that was set

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Speaker 3: back in Operation Midnight Hammer, what Iran was doing was

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Speaker 3: essentially building a kind of conventional weapons force field so

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Speaker 3: that they would have so many missiles and would be

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Speaker 3: able to threaten so much of the Middle East, and

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Speaker 3: even further we now know because of their ability to

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Speaker 3: hit Diego Garcia, that it would be that much harder

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Speaker 3: to take out the nuclear program than they were just

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Speaker 3: dead set on continuing even after Midnight Hammer.

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Speaker 4: There was an important line in which.

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Speaker 3: Trump says that he wanted to negotiate after the Twelve

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Speaker 3: Day War, but then they started moving things to another

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Speaker 3: site and they were just dead set on acquiring a

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Speaker 3: very important for everybody to get that overview. He made

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Speaker 3: it clear that he was going to finish the job.

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Speaker 3: He used that phrase a few times, and I think

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Speaker 3: the most emotionally resonant part of the speech we got

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Speaker 3: from Trump the you know, his description of what it

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Speaker 3: was like when he went to Dover Air Base twice

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Speaker 3: to meet with the families of the fallen and they

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Speaker 3: told him to finish the job, that the sacrifice would

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Speaker 4: So I think those were all very good.

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Speaker 3: And you know, he also made it clear that he's

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Speaker 3: open to negotiations, but if the Iranians don't negotiate, well

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Speaker 3: then there we are.

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Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, we'll come back to that in the moment.

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Speaker 1: Eli, yesterday I was on deadline. You're on deadline today.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I's one deadline for Fox and I had to

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Speaker 1: write a column about his speech that hadn't been given.

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Speaker 1: But I said, thirty forty percent will love it, thirty

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Speaker 1: people won't watch it or won't know what the thing

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Speaker 1: because that's America in twenty twenty six, and loll and

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Speaker 1: bold that's what happened. The reaction from the left were predictable,

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Speaker 1: I thought, rather benignly dismissive of the president's arguments. But

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Speaker 2: It matters much. What did you make of the reactions

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, considering that you had a flurry of

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Speaker 3: journalists to acknowledge that, you know, maybe no, maybe their

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Speaker 4: We don't know what's going.

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Speaker 3: On over those dinner tables with senior IRGC commanders that

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Speaker 3: Understand that so much is writing on this and there's

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of people Eli and correct

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Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong. A lot of people were badly

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Speaker 1: miss informed by President Obama and the Echo chamber. They

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Speaker 1: really came to conclude that Iran was a normal regime,

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Speaker 1: as Secretary Rubio called them. Right, And so the damage

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Speaker 1: the damage was in normalizing Iran. It's not a normal place.

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Speaker 1: It's not run by normal people. Do you think that

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Speaker 1: Americans get that?

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Speaker 3: I think that there. I think a lot of Americans do.

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Speaker 3: Our first encounter with this regime is the hostage crisis.

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Speaker 4: So I was, you know, a kid.

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Speaker 3: I think the generation X and up, you know, the

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Speaker 3: boomers certainly understand it. But it's not like the Iranians

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Speaker 3: and it was something that the Iranians were very good

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Speaker 3: There they're former foreign minister. Javadza. Reef played our elites

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Speaker 4: Present himself as very reasonable.

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Speaker 3: One of the things they would always talk about is

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Speaker 3: he would couch arguments in terms of international law. I

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Speaker 3: a charm offensive for our foreign policy elites, and it

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Speaker 3: largely worked the American people. However, mean I think the

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Speaker 1: Well also, so I am a boomer again, I thought,

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Speaker 1: I not only remember the four hundred and forty four days,

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Speaker 1: I remember the Marine Corps barrack in nineteen eighty three.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: If that sounds me, then that's better.

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Speaker 1: I'm back the boomers like me. Not only do you

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Speaker 1: remember for forty four days of humiliation, but they blew

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Speaker 1: they went around the world assassinating people. Then they blew

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Speaker 1: up the Argentinian Jewish Center. Then they did this, then

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Speaker 1: they did that. Then Solomoni started blowing up Americans in Iraq.

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Speaker 1: We've been doing Temper five fun shows for twenty years

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Speaker 1: here to help the wounded who basically Iran wounded them

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Speaker 1: and gave them everything. They are an evil regime. President

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Speaker 1: used that word last night. That's the only thing I

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Speaker 1: wish he would have said. They were evil.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the Americans understand their evil? Evil?

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Speaker 5: Evil?

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Speaker 4: I do. And by the way, he did use I

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Speaker 3: He didn't use evil, but he called he when he

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Speaker 3: And he talked about the roadside bombs that was part

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Speaker 3: And he kept coming back to this reframe, which I

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Speaker 1: Instead of giving them all that money and all that runway.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk with Eli during the break. He's

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Speaker 1: going to come back after the break so that we

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Speaker 1: have an extensive rundown available over my YouTube channel on

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Speaker 2: He'll be right back. I'm back with Eli Lake Eli.

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Speaker 1: The most difficult question on the table is whether or

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Speaker 1: not the President orders, as he threatened to do last night,

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Speaker 1: the destruction of their electricity grid, because that means incubators

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Speaker 3: Think, absolutely, do not hit the energy infrastructure. I think

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Speaker 4: I understand that you.

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Speaker 3: Want to deprive the IRGC, in particular of revenue that

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Speaker 3: the Iranian people. I get that, but hitting the power

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Speaker 2: I know Eli.

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Speaker 1: Nineteen years ago President Bush had a half dozen talk

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Speaker 1: the questions was why are we letting the Iranians get

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Speaker 1: can disintermediate their money. Pretty big word for a president

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Speaker 2: Have we ever done that? It looks to me like

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: The sanctions against Iran, especially, I mean to give Obama

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Speaker 1: great conversation there between he and Avive Breddy Gore about

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Speaker 1: Well said Eli, and I appreciate the extra time today.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk again next week if we're lucky. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Don't go anywhere America. If you're listening on

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Speaker 1: the coast of Getting Hammered, your morning podcast for any

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Speaker 1: I think I've got that down, Vic. I greatly enjoyed

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Speaker 7: Well, I mean it started online with the CEO of McDonald's.

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Speaker 2: So, Vic, you and Mary Catherine did you have those?

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Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I gotta say, I don't believe MK ate

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Speaker 7: It was massive. I didn't have breakfast, so that was

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Speaker 7: famously has been eating a big mac every day all

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Speaker 7: his life and he's not fat at all. It's a

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Speaker 7: true story, so it's possible.

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Speaker 2: All right. Now let's move to polyamory.

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Speaker 1: This is, by the way, if you're an adult with

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Speaker 1: children in the back, you may want to turn this

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Speaker 1: part off.

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Speaker 2: Vic. What book again, I don't know the book that

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Speaker 2: you received.

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Speaker 1: As the art and culture editor, I get books all

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Speaker 1: the time, I have not received any on polyamory. So

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Speaker 1: I guess the Washington Free Beacon is walking on the

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Speaker 1: wild side.

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Speaker 7: We get all sorts of interesting books, Hugh, and I'm

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Speaker 7: you know, I'm an open minded kind of a guy.

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Speaker 2: I'll take a look.

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Speaker 7: And you know, actually the book I got was was

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Speaker 7: not necessary. Well again, it was kind of polyamorous, but

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Speaker 7: it really was about a both a Sapphag multiverse novel,

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Speaker 7: so it combined some elements of like what you're seeing

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Speaker 7: in the Marvel cinematic universe, and a romance between two women.

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Speaker 7: What Mary Catherine was relating was a true story involving

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Speaker 7: a supposedly open marriage, but of course it never is,

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Speaker 7: and somebody is more open than the other, let's put

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Speaker 7: it that way.

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Speaker 1: You know, I thought you guys made a reference to

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Speaker 1: the seventies, and I lived the seventies.

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Speaker 2: It really didn't happen. There wasn't any of that going.

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Speaker 1: I mean, people had affairs and divorces, but that was

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Speaker 1: always talked about, but not really happening, the whole open

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Speaker 1: marriage thing outside of perhaps Manhattan. Now, Vick, I want

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Speaker 1: to know what you thought about the President's speech last night.

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Speaker 7: I thought it was very solid. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 7: he didn't veer off on some strange tangents. I mean,

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Speaker 7: he obviously was reading from the teleprompter. He looked a

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Speaker 7: little bit tired. He's you know, I mean, he manages

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Speaker 7: on what four hours of sleep a night, and there

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Speaker 7: was a lot going on right now with the partial

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Speaker 7: government shutdown, and then the price of oil, and of

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Speaker 7: course what's happening and I ran and everything else.

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Speaker 2: But he laid out a pretty good case.

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Speaker 7: I wish he had done this earlier when the war

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Speaker 7: first happened, but I'll still say better late than never.

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Speaker 7: I thought it was reassuring that he says, you know,

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Speaker 7: we're making great progress, which we are. You could see

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Speaker 7: this in all the video demonstrations, you know, the kind

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Speaker 7: of things that we first discovered in the first Gulf War,

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Speaker 7: where you can see the results of what's happening overseas,

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Speaker 7: and you're seeing it now that Iran is no longer

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Speaker 7: the bully of the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: Is the way he put it, and that is correct.

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Speaker 7: And no matter how many people feel about this and

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Speaker 7: how angry a lot of people are about the war

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Speaker 7: and Iran, everybody long term, when they look back on

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Speaker 7: this moment in Trump's second term is going to thank

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Speaker 7: him because he did something that no other president wanted

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Speaker 7: to do. They all wish they can do it, and

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Speaker 7: they kicked the can down the road. But he's the

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Speaker 7: only guy. And he always likes to say decimated. But

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Speaker 7: I'm a stickler to what that means. Way tenth thank you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Decimated is a Roman legion term mark hooks crosses ordered

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Speaker 1: is legion decimated and every tenth man was beaten to

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Speaker 1: death by his nine colleagues.

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Speaker 2: That's decimation. Yeah, this is abliteration.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, air Force, the Navy, those submarines, the other facilities.

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Speaker 7: The big question is whether or not he's going to

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Speaker 7: go forward and start destroying the generators. That would be

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Speaker 7: a very big deal. I think we could probably have

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Speaker 7: to have some troops on the ground, maybe secure carg Island,

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Speaker 7: but still buy and large everything is going in the direction. Again,

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Speaker 7: this is a massive operation that a lot of people

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Speaker 7: said could not be possible and that I RAN's militaries

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Speaker 7: to be feared. The number of missile launches from I

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Speaker 7: Ran right now are at an all time low, so

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Speaker 7: I mean clearly.

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Speaker 2: Progress is being made. So it was a good speech.

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Speaker 1: I think it was too and Vic, I do not

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Speaker 1: believe it'll be over in three weeks. I've said it often.

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Speaker 1: I think it'll be going on till June, and that's

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Speaker 1: simply because they got to keep killing the IRGC leadership

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Speaker 1: as long as the ERGC won't lay down its weapons.

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Speaker 1: So maybe it won't be as intense. But I really

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Speaker 1: don't think it's going to be over in two to

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Speaker 1: three weeks. Last question, when do you think it's going

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Speaker 1: to be over?

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Speaker 8: Uh?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm going to say somewhere between the three weeks

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Speaker 7: that Trump predicted and you were June. I think Dennis

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Speaker 7: Ross had said somewhere else. He thinks even if we

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Speaker 7: stop now, the leadership will collapse in ten months. That

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Speaker 7: means that if we keep on going, maybe it will

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Speaker 7: be less than ten months and they'll find actual leadership

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Speaker 7: that once reformed.

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Speaker 2: Excellent. I hope he's right.

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Speaker 1: Vick madis co host of Getting Hammered and the arts

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Speaker 1: and culture editor who reads very weird books. Thank you, Vic.

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Speaker 1: Follow him on exit victory. No mattis follow me in

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Speaker 1: the next segment. Twent eight hundred and five two oh

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Speaker 1: one two three four weigh in on the President's speech

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Speaker 1: one eight hundred and five to two oh one two

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Speaker 1: three four, Welcome back to America.

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Speaker 2: I'm hewt.

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Speaker 1: I spent most of the day telling him at the

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Speaker 1: President's speech, and I'll do more with Mat Continetti after

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Speaker 1: the break, But right now, David Drucker, senior political correspondent

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Speaker 1: for The Dispatch, joins us not for reaction to the speech,

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Speaker 1: but for actually what is going on at the Department

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Speaker 1: of Justice.

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Speaker 2: Why did Pam Bondi get tossed?

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Speaker 8: David Drucker, Yeah, really good question, and it's unclear. I mean,

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Speaker 8: she obviously, well I don't want to say obviously, but

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Speaker 8: it appears from those of us who've been monitoring the

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Speaker 8: administration over the past year, that she did everything that

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Speaker 8: the president asked, or at least everything she thought he

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Speaker 8: wanted her to do.

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Speaker 5: And so I don't know that it's totally.

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Speaker 8: Clear yet why he decided to fire her, which is

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Speaker 8: essentially what he did. And Todd Blanche is now the

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Speaker 8: acting Attorney General, and I think there's just more for

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Speaker 8: us to find out on that front.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this is the result of President Trump

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Speaker 1: realizing he got less than three years, he has an agenda,

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Speaker 1: he wants to get it done. And Christinoum wasn't getting

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Speaker 1: it done. She's now no longer dhech Secretary ag Bonnie

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Speaker 1: wasn't getting it done whenever it is, she's no longer

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Speaker 1: the ag.

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Speaker 2: Do you expect more?

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Speaker 8: Well with the president, you're never quite sure, right, nobody's

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Speaker 8: ever quite safe.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, for a story.

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Speaker 8: I published this week at the Dispatch about Mark or Rubio,

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Speaker 8: I went back and looked at some of the televised

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Speaker 8: cabinet meetings where the President goes around the table asking

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Speaker 8: for progress reports, and it was really striking to me,

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Speaker 8: in light of the Bondie firing, how often everybody was

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Speaker 8: praising the president's selection of the cabinet, how it was

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Speaker 8: the greatest cabinet they'd ever seen, or such a talented team,

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Speaker 8: and everybody sort of agreed with that, and the President

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Speaker 8: certainly didn't argue with it. And obviously in the past

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Speaker 8: few weeks it's clear that he's not in agreement.

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Speaker 5: That the cabinet is as good as it could.

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Speaker 8: Be, and so, you know, I imagine he was looking

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Speaker 8: for more effectiveness. I think in the case of Christy Nomes,

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Speaker 8: she was more of a scapegoat because I think she

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Speaker 8: was carrying out the policy as it was given to her,

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Speaker 8: and it was easier to get rid of her than

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Speaker 8: get rid of.

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Speaker 5: The broader policy.

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Speaker 8: In the case of Pam BONDI I wonder if it

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Speaker 8: was just simply a lack of finesse, the ability to

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Speaker 8: do some of the things the president wanted with a

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Speaker 8: little bit more skill.

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Speaker 1: Well, there is one big failure. He tried a couple

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Speaker 1: of times to indict a couple of people and it

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Speaker 1: didn't work, and that's Judge Jane Pirou in d C

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Speaker 1: and other US attorneys. And I think there are significant

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Speaker 1: obstacles to indicting someone. We've always made the joke about

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Speaker 1: Ham Samwich. It's really not that easy. You have to

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Speaker 1: have at least a patina of a crime, the elements

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Speaker 1: of a crime laid out, to get a grand jury

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Speaker 1: to indict.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's it.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's possible that again, she could be scapegoaded for this.

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Speaker 8: You know, you make a really good point view, and

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Speaker 8: obviously you've got first hand expertise in this. If we're

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Speaker 8: talking about some random county and some random state, the

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Speaker 8: Ham Sandwich analogy applies. But when you're talking to federal courts,

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Speaker 8: it absolutely does not apply.

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Speaker 5: And I think the you'll forgive me, I'm in an airport.

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Speaker 8: I think I think the Justice Department has been given

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Speaker 8: marching orders by the President that are simply often too

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Speaker 8: high a bar to accomplish. But maybe the President wants

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Speaker 8: to see what can happen with some different leadership.

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Speaker 1: Well, Todd Blanche is a very serious man, a very

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Speaker 1: accomplished a prosecutor. I don't doubt that he has the

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Speaker 1: managerial ability. He's been doing the deputy job, which is

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Speaker 1: the manager job at DJ. Now you have to find

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Speaker 1: his own replacement. What do you think of that choice?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's going to be really interesting.

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Speaker 8: I mean, the initial reporting is that the President is

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Speaker 8: considering moving Lee Zelden over from EPA, where his EPA

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Speaker 8: administer a strict administrator. Excuse me of making him the

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Speaker 8: new attorney general.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think there are a lot of competent choices.

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Speaker 8: I mean, the President in his first term had a

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Speaker 8: lot of a couple of very competent, very accomplished attorney's general.

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Speaker 5: Part of the issue for the president is he's looking for.

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Speaker 8: The DOJ to do things that it normally doesn't do,

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Speaker 8: hasn't done. And then there are these high bars that

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Speaker 8: he sets. You want certain people indicted, and it's simply

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Speaker 8: going to be very difficult to do so. If he

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Speaker 8: wants certain cases handled, it's going to be difficult to

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Speaker 8: do so.

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Speaker 5: So I'm curious if he goes in just a.

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Speaker 8: Different direction here, recognizing the constraints put on him by

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Speaker 8: the federal courts.

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Speaker 1: Do you think there might be any connection between his

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Speaker 1: going to the Supreme Court yesterday and then firing Bondy

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Speaker 1: last night, Because you have to really stretch to believe

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Speaker 1: there's any way the Supreme Court's going to uphold his

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Speaker 1: executive order, and that became, i think obvious in the

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Speaker 1: first hour that he stayed for. You think he just

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Speaker 1: went home and said, Wow, I'm going to lose this.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't anyone tell me I'm not going to win this?

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Speaker 8: Well, I mean, he could have blamed Bondi for that,

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Speaker 8: but in this case, he should blame you know, the

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Speaker 8: White House attorneys because they're the ones that are going

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Speaker 8: to be craft these sorts of executive orders, not the

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Speaker 8: ag and somebody should have certainly told him that this

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Speaker 8: executive order, especially as crafted, we're never going to pass

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Speaker 8: muster with the Cory.

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Speaker 1: So executive order was never going to It is an

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Speaker 1: eighteen thirty three case in which the Chief Justice than

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Speaker 1: John Marshall, said the question presented is of great importance

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Speaker 1: but not much difficulty. I kind of view that as yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad the President issued the executive order because it's

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Speaker 1: going to put to rest the idea that birthright citizenship

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Speaker 1: has been other than the accepted norm since eighteen sixty eight.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, I think it might have been gotten

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Speaker 1: through Sit for an hour and listen to John Sawer

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Speaker 2: Who gave me that idea?

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Speaker 1: And then I'm not sure the White House counsel takes

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Speaker 5: To you listen, you know, on this sort of thing, Hugh.

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Speaker 8: You know, I almost defer to you unless I have

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Speaker 5: And yet once.

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Speaker 8: He's kind of decided that things should be a certain way,

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Speaker 5: At least, you know, where he has strong opinions.

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Speaker 8: I think there are issues where he's a pragmatist or

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Speaker 5: But this is related to.

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Speaker 8: the issue isn't the recommendation, it's the courts, which you

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Speaker 2: So let me switch on to his speech, which I

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Speaker 1: When I was doing I said, well, that was confident

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Speaker 1: arbitrary deadline. What was your reaction.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't think we disagree too much here. I mean,

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Speaker 5: His objectives are in the right place.

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Speaker 8: Right, we have given nearly fifty diplomacy, nearly fifty years

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Speaker 1: what did you make of the President's speech last night?

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Speaker 6: I thought it was a great speech, Hugh.

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Speaker 9: I think President Trump laid out the reasons for Operation

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Speaker 9: Epic Fury. I think he talked about our successes so far.

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Speaker 9: I think he indicated that it's not done yet, that

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Speaker 9: there's a couple more weeks ahead, and that, if anything,

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Speaker 9: we may escalate in those weeks ahead. And he also

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Speaker 9: kept open this option of coercive diplomacy if the Iranians

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Speaker 9: can get their act together and actually agree diplomatically to

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Speaker 9: what we were trying to achieve and are achieving militarily.

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Speaker 9: So I thought it was a good speech. I'm glad

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Speaker 9: the coming weeks when we're closer to completing the mission.

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Speaker 2: Now. I used the terms direct, confident, and determined.

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Speaker 1: He's not giving up on this thing, and he's going

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Speaker 1: to make sure that there's the rubble to bounce perhaps

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Speaker 1: a few times. Do you think that the system will fall?

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Speaker 1: He's right, Leaders set number one, Leader Set number two,

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Speaker 1: they're dead, but we're on leaders set number three, and

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Speaker 1: they probably got you know, the D and the E

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Speaker 1: and the F squad. Do you think you'll keep going

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Speaker 1: until finally the IRGC runs for their Swiss bank accounts.

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Speaker 9: I think he's going to go after the missile cities.

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Speaker 9: He's going to go after the drone teams. He's going

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Speaker 9: to go after the economic targets, which we're already seeing today.

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Speaker 9: Apparently we targeted a bridge, a very important bridge Israel

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Speaker 9: and the IDEF. They're going after kind of economically important sites. Remember,

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Speaker 9: the IRGC, which is the militia that effectively runs Iran

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Speaker 9: right now, is more than anything else, kind of a

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Speaker 9: you're denying them the resources that they use to carry

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Speaker 9: out terror and oppress their own people. As that happened,

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Speaker 9: I think there will be more pressure on the regime

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Speaker 9: now you saw. I'm sure this conversation that was reported

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Speaker 9: the President said, look, I can't two three more weeks

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Speaker 6: I won't have anything. Well, isn't it funny?

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Speaker 9: That's exactly kind of the timeline that the President laid

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Speaker 9: So yes, I think even though the purpose of this mission,

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Speaker 9: to harass the and endanger the United States and the

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Speaker 9: region the Greater Middle East, a ancillary benefit of our

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Speaker 9: campaign may may probably and I think likely, to be

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Speaker 9: the end of the Iranian regime.

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Speaker 2: I think so as well.

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Speaker 1: It might take a while, but it cannot survive without cash.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I wrote a column for Fox News before the President

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Speaker 1: had to give a speech because that I had to

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Speaker 1: go up this morning, and I said, Hey, no matter

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Speaker 1: what he says, a third's gonna love it, a third's

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Speaker 1: gonna hate it, and the middle part won't know what

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Speaker 1: to make of it. That's exactly what happened. Were you

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Speaker 1: surprised by any reaction? Did anyone go against type matt

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Speaker 1: that you've seen today?

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Speaker 9: It's a testament to your vision and perse capacity, Hugh,

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Speaker 9: that you were able to see the reaction before the

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Speaker 9: speech even occurred. But you're exactly right. No one's opinions

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Speaker 9: were changed. It may be that there are people who

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Speaker 9: within the Republican Party who said, well, you know, maybe

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Speaker 9: we should wrap things up. And I think President Trump

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Speaker 9: explained why we can't do that right now, why we

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Speaker 9: need to finish the job. And for the liberal media, who,

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Speaker 9: of course, they weren't going to like the speech whatever

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Speaker 9: Trump said. Remember going into the speech, they were saying, Oh,

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Speaker 9: Trump's going to announce a ceasefire, or Trump's going to

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Speaker 9: pulling out of NATO. None of that happened. Once again,

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Speaker 9: they were completely delusional. And the President, as he has been,

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Speaker 9: it's amazing, has he has been for decades, has his

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Speaker 9: sense of mission and purpose. He will deny the Iranian

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Speaker 9: terrorist regime a nuclear weapon, and that's precisely what he's

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Speaker 9: doing right now.

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Speaker 2: You may find it finey.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a little research on the speech last night

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Speaker 1: compared to Richard Nixon the Great Silent Majority Speech of

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Speaker 1: November third, nineteen sixty nine.

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Speaker 2: More than one hundred million Americans watched that speech.

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Speaker 1: His approval rating went up to seventy seven percent after

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Speaker 1: that speech. The fact of the matter is that kind

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Speaker 1: of speech is that's a dinosaur. It's never going to

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Speaker 1: happen again. The American people don't watch speeches like that.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree with me?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's a fact. I mean, there's just no question.

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Speaker 9: You and I speak all the time about our fractured

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Speaker 9: media landscape, about people losing trust and institutions. The American

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Speaker 9: population is so incredibly diverse in any way you can imagine,

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Speaker 9: including how they get information, how they respond to a president.

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Speaker 9: I think if you just kind of came from Mars

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Speaker 9: and you just asked an American do you support disarming

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Speaker 9: Iran or not? Americans would say a majority would say yes,

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Speaker 9: I support disarming Iran. But once you introduced partisan politics,

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Speaker 9: once you introduce the negativism of the media, it becomes polarized.

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Speaker 9: And so President Trump has to stay the course even

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Speaker 9: if opinion seems to be tilting against him in some ways.

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Speaker 1: And in New York Times story the day after the

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Speaker 1: Nixon speech, Nixon does not reach the greatest television audience ever,

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Speaker 1: landing on the moon. Some things don't change. I'll be

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Speaker 1: I'm Hewitt. Matt Continetti is Joe with me. He of

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Speaker 1: the Wall Street Journal, the AI. Are you still writing

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Speaker 1: for the Free Press, Matt.

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Speaker 9: No, I moved all my writing to the Wall Street

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Speaker 9: Journal and the Free Expression Newsletter, which is so graciously plugged.

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Speaker 6: That's where you can read my writing now.

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Speaker 2: I love reading it there.

880
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Speaker 1: I love that you're working with Jack Butler as well

881
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Speaker 1: as an old intern of the UUHL who are very

882
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Speaker 1: pleased about the new continenty mentorship of young mister Butler.

883
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Speaker 1: Let me talk about your column from March twenty seven,

884
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Speaker 1: Finish the job in Iran. I got the sense last

885
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Speaker 1: night he said, oh, maybe two to three weeks, but

886
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Speaker 1: it's going to be as long as it takes. I

887
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Speaker 1: think do you agree with that?

888
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Speaker 6: There is something to that, Hugh. Of course, you know.

889
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Speaker 9: I think President Trump's favorite number is two weeks, because

890
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Speaker 9: no matter the context of the issue, if he wants

891
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Speaker 9: to give himself time to make a decision, he always

892
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Speaker 9: says two to three weeks or you know, ten or

893
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 9: twelve days, right, And so there was some of that

894
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Speaker 9: to the speech last night. What he's signaling is that

895
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Speaker 9: he is going to continue this operation until its military

896
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Speaker 9: objectives are complete. And once those military objectives are complete,

897
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Speaker 9: there will be consequences, most certainly consequences within Iran, right.

898
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Speaker 9: I point out in that column you mentioned, and you know,

899
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Speaker 9: it's hard to kind of launch a mass mobilization against

900
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Speaker 9: your government when bombs are falling from the sky. I

901
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 9: think most people expect that it won't be until after

902
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Speaker 9: the bombs stop dropping that the Iranian people come out

903
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 9: and force to protest. And when that happens, of course,

904
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Speaker 9: there will be decisions for this president and for the

905
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Speaker 9: Israelis as well.

906
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 6: President Trump said help is on the way.

907
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Speaker 9: For the American people, for the Iranian people too, and

908
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 9: the powers there. The help is there, and I think

909
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 9: he's ready to use it.

910
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: So about the one question of I'm just divided in

911
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 1: mind myself, should we take out their electrical grid at

912
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Speaker 1: least in Tehran, Kum and a few other major cities,

913
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Speaker 1: President said he could blinker the lights out.

914
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we can. Along with the ISRAELI ought we

915
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Speaker 2: to do that.

916
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 4: I think it should be a last resort.

917
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Speaker 9: You know, it's interesting even when the President in his

918
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Speaker 9: speech last night mentioned the energy industry, he said that,

919
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 9: you know, while we took out the IRGC positions on

920
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Speaker 9: carg Island, we didn't hit the oil because and he

921
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 9: said that would hurt the Iranians in long run. He's

922
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Speaker 9: still thinking about Iran's recovery under a different government and

923
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Speaker 9: under a different regime and foreign policy.

924
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Speaker 6: So knocking out the electricity I.

925
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Speaker 9: Think would hinder that as well, and so Trump's reluctant

926
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Speaker 9: to do it. However, again, you do get the impression

927
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Speaker 9: from the speech that Trump is ready to escalate if

928
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Speaker 9: the Iranians remain kind of stubbornly dug in hiding in

929
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Speaker 9: their bunkers concealing the missile launchers, that the electricity in

930
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Speaker 9: those locations you mentioned could be an eventual target.

931
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Speaker 1: What do you think about a tip for tat. You

932
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Speaker 1: strike at a tanker, will blow up a refinery. You

933
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: hit a second tanker, we'll take out a power station.

934
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Speaker 1: It seems to me that that's deterrence.

935
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Speaker 2: What do you think?

936
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean we're already seeing a little bit of that,

937
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 9: and I think kind of the Iranian threats to.

938
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Speaker 6: Go after our Gulf allies.

939
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Speaker 9: Energy infrastructure and desalinization plants have been one reason we

940
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Speaker 9: haven't gone after kind of the energy and electricity network

941
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Speaker 9: of the Iranian regime.

942
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Speaker 6: What I'd like to see, Hugh, is.

943
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Speaker 9: Us take an approach to the Persian Gulf that we

944
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 9: took to the Venezuela coast and say, look, these tankers

945
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 9: there ares they're illegally.

946
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 6: Shipping this oil. We can take the oil.

947
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 9: We can use our naval operations to board those tankers

948
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Speaker 9: and hold them. That I think would get the attention

949
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Speaker 9: of the Iranians very quickly.

950
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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about our non allies.

951
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: Kiris Starmer got blasted by former Vice President Mike Pence.

952
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 2: Today.

953
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: Mccrome came out with about the least de gaulle like

954
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Speaker 1: Center remarks I've ever heard. What do you think happens

955
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Speaker 1: to the NATO relationships here?

956
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 9: Well, the relationships are deteriorating, There's no question about that.

957
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 9: It's been going on for a couple months now. I

958
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Speaker 9: think the whole Greenland episode also contributed to the deterioration

959
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Speaker 9: of the relationship. I think in some ways the Europeans

960
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 9: and kind of a petty fashion are getting back at

961
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Speaker 9: America now because of Greenland. But this is not in

962
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Speaker 9: anyone's interest and it's really a bad sign for the

963
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Speaker 9: future of the Alliance. There has to be reciprocity here

964
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 9: and for europe just to expect a free ride in

965
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 9: America to do all the work all the time, that's

966
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Speaker 9: not healthy. It's not healthy for the Europeans who not

967
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 9: only face the Russian threat, but as it has been

968
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Speaker 9: made clear by these Iranian missile launches such as the

969
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 9: failed attack on our base at Diego, Garcia, they face.

970
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 6: An Iranian threat too.

971
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Speaker 9: So I think this is really a case of cutting

972
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Speaker 9: off your nose to spite your face on the part

973
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Speaker 9: of our NATO allies.

974
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Speaker 1: I want to switch away from Iran to birthright citizenship.

975
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Speaker 1: In eighteen thirty three, Chief Justice Marshalls said in a

976
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Speaker 1: case bearing to Baltimore about whether or not Baltimore owed

977
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Speaker 1: damages to mister Baron for destroying his wharf before or

978
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Speaker 1: the Bill of Rights was made applicable to the States.

979
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Speaker 1: The Chief Justice then said, this is a case of

980
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Speaker 1: great importance, but not much difficulty. I think that the

981
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Speaker 1: birthright citizenship case is the same. It's of great importance

982
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Speaker 1: and not much difficulty. It's not gonna happen. Do you

983
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 1: think that the President got sort of figured that out

984
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 1: listening yesterday and went home and determined to fire Pam

985
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Speaker 1: Bondi for not telling him that.

986
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Speaker 9: I'm not sure that's why he fired Pam Bondy, who

987
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Speaker 9: I think he may have been frustrated with the direction

988
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Speaker 9: of many of the questions of the justices. I, for

989
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Speaker 9: my sins, I listened to all two and a half

990
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Speaker 9: hours of oral argument, so I kind of, you know,

991
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Speaker 9: I got the sense actually by the end that the

992
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Speaker 9: eventual decision maybe closer than some people anticipate. I think

993
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Speaker 9: right now people are anticipating either you know, eight to

994
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Speaker 9: one or seven to two against the government's position, that is,

995
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Speaker 9: upholding birthright citizenship. But especially when the ACLU lawyer kind

996
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 9: of gave the plaintiff's argument, I sensed among some of

997
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 9: the justices, some of the Republican appointees, kind of an

998
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 9: intellectual struggle. You know, what does it mean to be

999
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Speaker 9: born under the jurisdiction thereof of the United States.

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Speaker 2: So I had great.

1001
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Speaker 1: Schooling I said about substant due process. It's got to

1002
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Speaker 1: be deeply rooted in our history and tradition. Even during

1003
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Speaker 1: the Great Migration eighteen eighty and nineteen twenty, we never

1004
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Speaker 1: ever worried about whether people came to Ellis Islands. Once

1005
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Speaker 1: you were here, Ali, Ali, Infrey, you were born here,

1006
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Speaker 1: you were going to stay here. I just cannot see

1007
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Speaker 1: them not ruling birthright citizenship. And I expect eight one,

1008
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Speaker 1: maybe even nine zero, But there is this statutory off ramp,

1009
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Speaker 1: which I don't want to get in the weeds with you. Instead,

1010
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Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Bondi. If it wasn't

1011
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: the argument, what do you think had Pam Bondi run

1012
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 1: out of time with Donald Trump?

1013
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 9: Well, I think it's pretty clear that there was a

1014
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,279
Speaker 9: series of mismanaged decisions from the Justice Department over the

1015
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Speaker 9: past year and primarily surrounding the releases the Epstein files.

1016
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Speaker 9: And this is the way I think for Trump to

1017
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Speaker 9: kind of clear the decks, move on and chart a

1018
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Speaker 9: new course with another Attorney General.

1019
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 2: So we're out of time, Matt.

1020
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Speaker 1: I just want to know quickly. Are you watching the

1021
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: fiftieth season of The Survivor?

1022
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 6: No, my family watching American Idol?

1023
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 2: You okay, I'm.

1024
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: Not watching either. I'm just Ben Dominich is watching it.

1025
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Speaker 1: I'm kind of surprised by that. I'm just checking in

1026
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Speaker 1: with the millennials.

1027
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Speaker 9: I know.

1028
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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Continetti. Thank you for him on Exit continenty.

1029
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Speaker 1: Read him in the Wall Street Journal.

1030
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Speaker 2: Look for his work

1031
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Speaker 1: Coming out of the American Enterprise Institute.